Moonton be treating argus just like how he was treated in his lore💀
@MS1X
8 ай бұрын
This,in a nutshell
@mlloser8318
8 ай бұрын
They have treated Argus more badly then Khaleed
@whitehavencpu6813
8 ай бұрын
They could at least give Argu's S2 curse an Anti-heal effect similar to Baxia. That way he can be more useful in the early game and not forced to buy Sea halberd against sustain meta.
@fuochirossi1747
8 ай бұрын
Only Rafaela want's to protect him :(
@theelza7647
8 ай бұрын
Because he'd win
@Argus_Superstorm_777
8 ай бұрын
Buffing Argus be like: (Argus with High Physical Attack) "No, OP!!!" (Guinevere one-shot everyone with random bullsheet build) "Wow, BALANCED!" The only way to deal high damage with Argus is to buy Sea Halberd. I learned from Boba Meow ML. It works perfectly. I can burst down a Thamuz easily with him. Argus lacks Physical Attack and Attack Speed? Sea Halberd has both. Spell Vamp Meta? Sea Halberd reduces it. Tankier than you? Sea Halberd increases your damage. Master Assassin can help also, but only in 1v1 situation.
@karanrawat9076
8 ай бұрын
But still something lacks for argus..... His skill have attack scaling and he can't be built attack focused but speed focused😅. Adding sea halberd helps but before we build that we need some speed.....
@youagain8447
8 ай бұрын
The problem with Sea Halberd (at least for me) is that WHEN should you buy it on Argus ? 1. Unlike someone like Dyrroth or Khaleed, rushing it as 1st item with Argus just feels underwhelming because of his bad early game, doubly so if your lane counterpart decided to rush Dom Ice as 1st item. 2. For mid game (2nd - 4th item), it's probably the best time to build it, but then which item should you DELAY for SH ? Similar to any atk spd based heroes, i feel like delaying even 1 item from either atk spd item sets (DHS trinity or Crit) often means sacrificing too much dmg. 3. Late game as 5th or 6th item, the problem is obvious, IT'S TOO LATE. If you happened to SURVIVE into that point, then chances are your team happened to be quite on point with their CC and item counters to deal with any regen or tanky heroes, so what's the point ?
@Bobameow_MLDevHelper
8 ай бұрын
@@youagain8447first item. Im not saying it is very good, but it is the best way to cope with current argus. I admit he has a lot of room of improvements needed
@Argus_Superstorm_777
8 ай бұрын
@@youagain8447 For me, it's the first item. If you buy Corrosion Scythe as the first item you get high attack speed only but no damage. I rather sacrifice some attack speed to exchange some damage. I tried it several times, and it works.
@youagain8447
8 ай бұрын
@@Argus_Superstorm_777 Thx for the suggestions. Personally, i've liked playing him prior to his changes with 1st item Hunter's Strike just to maximized his 2nd skill's "burst" dmg to help with my early-mid game before going with his standard items. But losing his 2nd skill's curse dmg is such a huge blow that i stopped using him now. Might try him again with this new idea
@anotherguy8345
8 ай бұрын
I gave up on MLBB because Argus was my favorite hero, and I couldn't accept he is that weak now. I felt bad, and nothing would work with him. Dominance Ice easily counters him. Also, the old feature he had that he would have a second HP bar when In ult state, was phenomenal. Being able to have 1 HP left, continuing receiving damage and then Boom! Full HP again... I miss the Old argus, to me he was the best version.
@HenryS12
8 ай бұрын
Exactly,1 infinite bar and 1 heal bar after the ult is done
@yowai1604
8 ай бұрын
I agree, but not only with Argus but also with Zhask for me where I honestly preferred the Spawn's 3rd attack as the laser stun
@Wansazwan04
7 ай бұрын
Same i also quit ml just bcs of the nerf and change they did to argus
@helldog64
5 ай бұрын
@@Wansazwan04 I have no problem using argus right now 😘
@SolsticeOnYT
8 ай бұрын
listen, this might be crazy but hear me out. Ult nullifies all non-movement restriction debuff ,ie. Defense down, Attack Down, and THE NEAT PART Heal and Attack Speed reduction. Basically countering Dominance Ice, his natural counter, by making his ultimate be a proper "get off me or else" tool
@SolsticeOnYT
8 ай бұрын
writing this because I'm irritated that on-hit effect/Crit fighter does not even scale that well and basically just split pusher with less mobility than assassins
@ineedmorecarrots6063
8 ай бұрын
this is what ive been thinking also but this will surely put him in the "ban tf out until its nerfed to the ground" cage
@CodeDemons
8 ай бұрын
YES THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING! Give him a "U wanna fight? Ok u asked for it" moment
@hypwhoknowsanything3551
8 ай бұрын
Nah I'm with you on this one. There's SO MUCH broken heroes nowadays yet all argus ever got was shitty adjustment
@neow6289
8 ай бұрын
IVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME ITS NICE TO SEE SOMEONE WITH THE SAME OPINION, Argus's ult should nullify all debuffs except cc, ever since dominance ice got adjusted and reduced attack speed Argus's damage went to the lowest it's ever been due to his already slow attack speed and low damage
@PanhaDns
8 ай бұрын
Devs: he's so broken when 1v1 Also Argus: 😑😑😑
@re5844
8 ай бұрын
he's really... not. Not in the recent meta where EXP filled with skill caster. He cant even compete against Freya 😢
@youagain8447
8 ай бұрын
@@re5844 I mean, there's few EXP-laners who could even compete with Freya on a head-on 1v1 (nonstop fight till death) except for maybe Hilda (which even then she still needs to kite every so often into bushes to get her shields back). I get what you said though, even someone like Chou could EASILY out-trade Argus just because Argus will be STUNNED (a.k.a, UNABLE TO DEAL DMG) whenever they traded
@miguelbautista2788
8 ай бұрын
Hayabusa: *Kurae!!!!*
@theunknowman12
8 ай бұрын
He's can easily get kitted and forced to waste his ult. Kinda a bad Hero if you ask me
@TheHamsterXD
8 ай бұрын
@@youagain8447 Burst hero in early game can win Freya but not head on burst hero half HP and run prepare next combo. Stay in bush informt of enemy tower make her can't get gold or exp from creep
@JustSomeGuyWhoisLost
8 ай бұрын
Old Argus can go 1v3 in late game even if his enemies have hard CC💀
@Xavier.............
8 ай бұрын
bro i never forget that bro😂😂😂 it happend to me and i don't know what happend my argus character is lost control i don't know what is happening that time and i got miniac and that one left is running from me
@zoaero
8 ай бұрын
bro i remember against him once and there is 5 of us and we all instantly all die, since then if i see argus using his ult i just teleport away instantly
@RealLife-ro1je
8 ай бұрын
@@zoaero😂
@JaedenCage
8 ай бұрын
Was he CC Immune during ult?
@tenshidesu503
8 ай бұрын
@jncg3699 Yeah, CC immunity during Ult, which was 5s, go search up some video on him.
@reksuw-54
8 ай бұрын
Coming from an Ex-Argus main, The ONLY reason I can think of is of his 1 single kit, his immortality skill. They are not helping Argus at all by avoiding his ult. Argus' only problem in top rank matches is approaching the enemy and adding some more effects on his ult is gonna help him get into the meta like maybe area slow, stun etc.
@iamdarkphantom
8 ай бұрын
Fr. Argus can't win even in the late game if enemies are very experienced and it's also easy to avoid argus when he uses ult then kill him as soon as his ult is over. Idk but tbh I think his ult should be an automatic passive? So that when he's about to die he'll become immortal and give him a brand new different ult. Idk
@youagain8447
8 ай бұрын
Giving his ult a new effect especially a low duration CC is honestly a great idea for his buff. My idea is give his ult a short duration, AoE fear on cast (imagine the Concussive Blast talent but it also fears enemies like Vexana's 1st skill). That way, he can at least interrupt any enemies that are holding their CC skills to stun him AFTER he used ult. As a plus, it'll also prevent someone like Thamuz or Uranus to suddenly regen all their HP back during the 1v1 with Argus (as seen in this video when Hororo tried to 1v1 a Thamuz, a small CC there could've been a difference)
@reksuw-54
8 ай бұрын
@@youagain8447 For real, when you think about it, having a low CD immortality doesn't mean his unkillable, almost 90% of Argus fights is using his ult Aggressively rather than defensively, and trust me, everytime you use it defensively, well... you're most likely already dead in that situation
@SCP-096-.
8 ай бұрын
They made Argus completely useless without ult bring og Argus back where his damage was so great he could one tap lord and every tank in the game
@iamdarkphantom
8 ай бұрын
@@SCP-096-. Fr. Also the very first version of revamped argus in advanced server was so powerful that they reduced some of his attack speed and base damage. But then when a different argus was released to the original server. They never returned those stats even after nerfing him a lot already.
@VikaBoko
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for Hororo Chan who always make videos about Argus, so dev who see your bideos can buff Argus.
@mikelon.0_0.51
8 ай бұрын
Y opinión de los main argus
@youagain8447
8 ай бұрын
Honestly, i never knew how impactful his 2nd skill's curse dmg was for his performances until it was removed. If anything, the last version of Argus was probably the best version of him since his skillset managed to still be plenty hurtful in early game with 2nd skill while remain a terror in late game. As for THIS version, his biggest issue is his skills didn't regenerate his rage during ult UNLIKE HIS PREVIOUS VERSION, making it unnecessarily hard for him to winning a dmg trade. The other thing is something that has been complained about for quite a long time now, that being his terrible stats all around for a supposed late game hero. If Moonton REALLY wanted to buff him to be more viable, they should start with his rage mechanic during ult, which is really underwhelming compared to before
@kurimuzonakahito
8 ай бұрын
Right, also the dev seemingly want argus to go crit build, thing is even if his early game stats were buffed his overall stat isn't changed at all, meaning his atk stat is still lower than most heroes which also means his crits doesn't hit as hard as other crit oriented heroes due to his low atk stat to begin with
@treeguardien
8 ай бұрын
Also in my opinion, one of the things holding him back is the fact that he is literally unable to fight without his ultimate, because he can die in nearly every fight without needing to pop his ult. So he is terrible at surviving.
@ednr6242
8 ай бұрын
Hahaha argus, Unfortunately. *Warrior boots and black ice shield*
@Sum_Ting_Wong_
8 ай бұрын
...is more than enough to counter him 😂
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Yes just buy warrior booth his damage just like mage in level -15@DontFARANGUS48
@mikelon.0_0.51
8 ай бұрын
Chistosito eres. Llegan al late game
@bazo8478
8 ай бұрын
It might because Argus was originally broken, although only few players notice that (he never get popular or join the meta pool) . His old passive can melt everyone in no time with basic aspd+crit build. He even can fight without ultimate and survive just from lifesteal because his basic attack was insanely fast. After his passive was changed and the new aspd reduction from Dominance Ice, he become a total joke. Squishy, ult duration got reduced, and can only join the fight and kill someone at level 15 with full item because his aspd is not enough to even kill squishy heroes.
@SCP-096-.
8 ай бұрын
Also they purposely took the scarlet phantom blade out so crit build would be weaker and like do a combo with old haas claws
@bazo8478
8 ай бұрын
@@SCP-096-. yeah, now you need 3 item to get 50% crit rate instead of 2.
@cxldless
8 ай бұрын
He was never broken bro 💀 he was "ok" at some point but broken? Nope.
@NoticeMeOohSenpai
7 ай бұрын
@@cxldlessnever? look at Argus when he first released
@EllieGoodie
7 ай бұрын
@@NoticeMeOohSenpaihe was never broken, he's just lore-wise Players just be complaining if they die to Argus or any other hero when they play bad _heh_ Even Fanny gets unnecessary nerfs
@nightchrome1076
8 ай бұрын
the old revamp, his first revamp is like almost best revamp for argus
@boodyallam7593
8 ай бұрын
The 3 slashs enhanced basic attack ❤
@Nickzz05
8 ай бұрын
Even the old Argus is much better.
@PixeIated
8 ай бұрын
Fr second skill lingering damage was underrated
@luqmana6077
8 ай бұрын
Yes dh first revamp with 3 slash is best for argus
@bintangmaulana2469
8 ай бұрын
And some of player "karbitan" say: noooo my argus now attacking so slow After moonton adjust: Noooo, it still slow moonton, bring back the old Argus. Another adjustment: "perfection"Literally the same Argus before revamp(remodel not included) Dasar player "karbitan" (mocking), what do you want (mocking)?
@demo_AAA
8 ай бұрын
Devs nerfing marksmen items and making anti-marksmen items inadvertently ended in Argus taking the largest hit. Dominance Ice, he’ll feel its effects more than marksmen since he actually has to get close to the enemies. Blade Armor, wasn’t too big a problem but now that he kinda has to build crit, it’s problematic. Scarlet Phantom, gone, replaced by Dragon spear, less atk speed and takes longer to get to full build. Haas claw, kinda worthless since he regens everything back during ult anyways. Berserker fury price increased so it takes him even longer to get to full build. I’m serious when I say Argus got nerfed the hardest by these changes, more so than any marksman. A way they could get Argus to become good is to give him an atk speed boost or give him base crit chance. Around 15-20% crit chance would work to guarantee a consistently activating passive. This will also bring his late game forwards into the mid game.
@eirxd5658
8 ай бұрын
*Viable buff for him :* 1. _decrease the cooldown of his Ulti by 1/0.5 second after 20 basic attacks_ 2. _increase his movement spd or crit chance during ulti_ 3. _increase the duration of his Ult_ 4. -increase the spawn counters of heroes that Argus killed-
@NoticeMeOohSenpai
7 ай бұрын
I'm gonna change that a bit to make it more practical 1. Reducing skill cooldown 0.5% per hit during no ult state to a creep and minion, and 1% per hit to a hero, and 4% to anything that are inflicted by his curse 2. Argus curse on his ult state will disable enemy dashing skills 3. If Argus has less 10% of his health, when Argus using his ultimate now will Automatically regain his real hp bar into 25% of his hp by default 4. Giving armor break effect on Argus 2nd skill
@ozreniangaming5454
8 ай бұрын
For me I know everyone will disagree but make him immune to cc when he ults, considering everyone is running away from him then it's better he is immune to cc when he uses his ult yes I know his immune to death and making him immune is an over kill but let me remind you he can't burst you quickly and kiting him is so easy hence why I would recommend moontoon make him immune to cc when ulting, or like I have said multiple times, give him movement speed boost on ulting, he has a cool soundtrack when ulting yet when you trigger you feel not a boss cause well your slow
@psmsjackielyndcjimenezslc-9562
4 ай бұрын
fr
@jordanjoestar5734
8 ай бұрын
I think the best way they can buff argus is to make him a tanky hero with basic attack based style, so argus still depend on basic but is tanky, let's say like edith but close range attack and he still depend on atk speed, or maybe give him back his long duration and low cd ultimate but addd small taunt so instead him chasing heroes, they approach him so the ultimate won't go wasted, that way argus depend on ulti more and basic attack but tanky to keep up with other tanky fighter, or give him back his damaging bleeding effect on skill 2 at least, or change his passive into true damage, cuz argus now is just a pure basic attacker
@alivelake69
8 ай бұрын
Literally first revamp Argus. Attack speed and crit pair with life steal. Tanky in the sense that he attacks so fast that you'd have no choice but to instakill him to win, even then, there's his ult. Five dreadful seconds of high crit damage, high attack speed and practically 0 damage with that double health bar, one being his normal health and the other would be his damage-based theoretically infinite health.
@rotihangus
8 ай бұрын
well,bring back the old argus back😁
@GnmarkGaming
8 ай бұрын
I like revamp 👍 1st skill and 😁 2nd skill but i miss cursed effect continues damages every walk and 😍 revamp passive but on her ult 🤬 i dont like it remove 10-30 physical atk on old argus every i ult her 2nd health so fast full but now so slow because im argus user
@Xenomanter
8 ай бұрын
The simplest way for argus is I think to revamp his ult. Like when he use ult, he's immortal but also have the same effect as inspire (increase attack speed and lifesteal). Also he can gain 1000 basic hp. So even if he's ult but no one hit him, he can still gain 1000 hp.
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Still useless...argus need more damage...and sustain...not more hp
@Ornyl
8 ай бұрын
This patch has a lot of bug. The aim bug, where it doesn't priorities the low hp though i set it up like that. Xborg goes invisible after using ult. And the weird bug where you character does an L shape mov when targetting some monsters, it's very clear in brawl where it happens wigh the crab on your side. It doesn't trigger every time.
@Aaronebohol678
8 ай бұрын
With great immortality comes great balancing
@GigaChadicusMaximus
8 ай бұрын
Btw i did the Math, thats a .5 increase in late game 💀 its still a buff of 11 early game.
@Tl.2255
8 ай бұрын
No wonder he hits so hard late he deleted me in 1 sec a hybrid sustain fighter with only 2 dmg items and the rest of my items my build were tank items
@saltfang483
8 ай бұрын
His late game is the same. His attack growth was reduced. Only an early game damage buff.
@GigaChadicusMaximus
8 ай бұрын
@@Tl.2255I wonder who is tryna to cook in Moonton's HQ.
@masayuki2133
8 ай бұрын
remember when Argus was first revamped? That was actually the best version of his revamp, but even then still cant compete with most fighters anyways. to me the best way Argus should be right now is bring back the Triple Slash on passive with the chase effect, bring back skill 2's "bleed", and keep the Ult CD as it is now, finally some little damage buff too. I wont think it will make him amazing but maybe he'll be fine enough that way
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Yes...and im speechless when they decide to nerf him before release to original server...im speechless because even he got that first revamp...he cant instant kill mage...easy to counter with dominance...i dont know why devs decide to nerf
@kotoriammamurakyrigaya3954
8 ай бұрын
Best buff for Argus is give him atk bonus as passive on his ult and add mov speed + atk speed when he use his ult
@hanzrobertbeladas5386
8 ай бұрын
I think why the devs are scared of buffing is because argus can hit very hard in the late game not gonna lie. With just the trinity build and malefic roar, you're done for.
@hanzrobertbeladas5386
8 ай бұрын
But to be honest argus is pretty weak against chain cc line ups💀
@djtyrone_
8 ай бұрын
Crit build can literally give you jumpscare also.
@justasimplecountryboy6205
8 ай бұрын
@@hanzrobertbeladas5386 everyone is weak against chain cc... Even a tank will be paper if it gets chain cc when the whole enemy is attacking him.
@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz8788
8 ай бұрын
I think critical build is better for him now than trinity build
@hanzrobertbeladas5386
8 ай бұрын
@@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz8788 but it still sucks against the meta fighters
@louie555
8 ай бұрын
Either devs should bring back his 3 basic attack from passive that has chase, or make the passive a fixed number of strikes to trigger. Edit: Or make him temporary immune to death after loosing hp, like give him a short time to fully die, then it will allow him to use ult, plus give a little additional effect like giving terror effect after using ult
@ezuran.0204
8 ай бұрын
my humble idea for his revamped; 1. Casting ult will terrifies surrounding enemies for 0.8 secs and reduce regen/life steal effect by 30% (or just 20%) for 3 secs (both effect can be increase with atk items maybe 0.1 secs for every 150 atk power? and the range maybe same as Yu Zhong 1st skill) 2. Ult will either have temporary slow immunity OR increase move speed by 20%-30% but it depends. 3. Give another unique attributes. perhaps let's play with terrifiy effects, he will increase his atk by some % to terrified enemies (may it from himself or vexana or other heroes that has terrifies cc) 3. make him a Skill combo + basic attacker (like melissa with 2nd skill = more damage) so make his 2nd skill curses and terrifies enemies so all his next damage will be increase)
@neow6289
8 ай бұрын
I think instead of terrify we could use a taunt effect
@adamnadzari4232
8 ай бұрын
thanks, i hope developers watch your ved and make him even better can catch up to the meta
@anakorang9087
8 ай бұрын
Because he is the god of death😂😂
@StardustDragon2500
8 ай бұрын
if we talked about immortality, then Ling and Wan wan still more powerful than him because of uninteruptable immortality. While Argus? he is VULNERABLE to CC when activating his ultimate. Why would moonton afraid that much? they make Argus's fighter role has no meaning because much MUCH lack of sustainability and moonton also make his burst damage speciality kinda a joke.
@deagle6751
8 ай бұрын
The reason why devs are scared beacause in 2018-2019 argus is unstoppable
@Zortanimate
8 ай бұрын
@@StardustDragon2500 experienced users like me are getting mvp and gold at most of the time. Soo moonton is scared of us??? Maybe? Like melting Thamuz, Alpha, Dyrroth, Baxia, Barats and Tanks in about 4 to 12 seconds. Of course in 1v1.
@StardustDragon2500
8 ай бұрын
@@ZortanimateTry it in mythical immortal buddy, we don't need your bullshit.
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
@@deagle6751nope...2017 in adv server argus is unstoppable...and they nerf him nerf and nerf before release to global
@randomguy_069
8 ай бұрын
Fun fact. In Mythical Honor recently I was Leo exp, full tank build besides War Axe, I was 40 matches 48% wr when my others were easily more than 60%, I just wanted to see how good Leo is at exp Against Argus and lo and behold I got a Global Argus. Fun fact here is that even when Leo was not my main Argus lost each and every 1v1 and was able to kill me off only with his duo partner Angela. Yes he killed me off a lot of time with Angela Ult but to kill me he needed full ult of his and Angela, and also inspire. And due to this our jungle and others had a free farm period because enemies had to babysit both exp and gold, we won. Even with MVP good Global Argus you can't win against non main players so yeah he is kinda useless.
@terahropa7030
8 ай бұрын
anti-negative effects such as reduction in attack speed, burn effect, stack brody etc. I think it's enough when the ultimate is active in my opinion for Moonton who doesn't want to buff Argus properly. and actually what I want most for Argus right now as an Argus user is that when he is activating his ult he is immune to CC or his attack becomes true damage against thick heroes now, I mean if the enemy uses "vengeance" Argus' ultimate is really useless, and if the enemy Using Dominance, argus basic attack is really weak
@RespectZakus
8 ай бұрын
They're afraid buffing him because of the possibility that players making him broken op for some random reason and side note I have an idea for his passive and ult: •Passive: -Rage bar capacity: increased from 100 to 200 - 8% cc immunity and damage reduction per 50 stack, can be stacked to 4 - For every 20 cursed energy it grants a 4% bonus to his stats and skills stacked at 5 times (scales with the number of enemies) - Full rage bar, he unleashes a devastating blow of 200-350 true damage (scales with level) (+200% physical attack) which then resets the bar, but does not actuvate item effects nor passives - stack 4 Curse energy per second, 4 extra Cursed energy while taking and dealing damage - increase speed of automatic stack (scales with attack speed and movement speed) - increase quantity of stack per damage dealt or taken (scales with crit chance, crit damage, and physical attack) Ultimate: - 5 second duration - can purify supperssion - disables max rage bar passive - rage bar stack and stats affect ult buffs - instead of immortality it grants 80-95% dmg reduction (scales with level) - 100%-250% lifesteal (scales with cursed energy) - grants 70% speed boost for 4-8 seconds (scales with overall speed) - 40%-60% CC effect reduction (scales with CD resuction) - attack speed increase (scales with lower hp) Also if possible in a real match try doing 4 crit items (no windtalker)
@martinvizinczei4149
8 ай бұрын
the issue would be that fighters are tanky and damage-y while argus/zilong idk who else are basic attack kind of heroes. very unbalanced for exp laners. they need a couple items to start dealing damage while the rest of the fighters are fine with only one item. system is bad and need a proper rehaul
@gh05ti33
7 ай бұрын
I am just now seeing this and yea, i mained argus ever since his release. I am so glad i got his s30 skin it looks fucking badass but i agree with hard CC he cant really do nothing even with resilient boots so you basically just use his ult to safely not die when trying to runaway. His ult shoud be a lil longer and also when you hit an opponent with his 2nd skill the opponent is cursed and it does 0.5 tick per second for 10s and when they move 1 tick per second for 10s.
@HalalKirbo
4 ай бұрын
Buff idea for argus: 1. His second skill damage should be increase a litte bit maybe +70, and make the cursed effect even slower + MAKE THE CURSE CAN DAMAGE PLAYER WHEN THEY'RE NOT MOVING 2. For his ult, i think they should buff to last long for 4 second, not that long not that short (unlike 3 second), and make argus immune to slower attack speed effect when in his ult form and also increase his movement speed by +10 (i mean the f is the wings used for) so he can chase a running enemy 3. I think the cursed effect from argus should be in his basic attack too, if argus trigger his passive 5 time to the same enemy, that enemy should get a cursed effect 4. If the cursed effect is done, the enemy should get immobilize or stun 5. Increase his damage, defend, attack speed, etc. An average buff I think argus can stand out with this buff, and i think argus role should change to fighter/assasin, because he need damage item and his gameplay also kinda like an assasin but act like a fighter. Wait, you know what, i think this buff is to op, i guess we just gotta accept it that argus is not that op like it used to be
@kaustavdutta8364
8 ай бұрын
Being an Argus main (Game name: Valifer)with close to 80 percent winrate in classic and 68 percent win rate in high rank solo queue mythic lobby... The only thing that pisses me off in high ranks is when enemy has an insane amount of cc. I usually build tough boots and the rock portion at endgame to mitigate it by 45 percent. However i feel thats not enough. If only the devs add a buff like 20 percent resiliency during ult phase it would let argus be much more viable in team fights. I guess devs r scared to buff argus cause In 1 v 1 late game nothing beats argus... I hv torn apart freya, thamus, gatot like butter even when they r 6 slotted with dominance ice n blade armor with vengence in like 3 secs atmost. The problem is if enemy builds dominance ice early there is nothing much u can do until you r six slotted. The moment i add the malific its over for enemies. The enhanced basic attk will then literally bypass 100 percent of enemy defence and all his basic attks will ignore 60 percent against high armor target.
@rimuru9779
8 ай бұрын
They should bring back the damage per second in 2nd skill and make his ultimate slow resistance and add movement boost
@x_x-hyperfist2367
8 ай бұрын
It already has slow immunity
@theunknowman12
8 ай бұрын
His ult already have free purify and anti slow. All he needs is some damage because he's suck compared to any fighter
@vector-gy6pt
8 ай бұрын
Nah they should bring the 2018-2019 argus old stat back, not to mention i think Montoon's afraid of argus lr something dince they don't want him living up to his lore and title
@tlkfanrwbyfan8716
8 ай бұрын
@@x_x-hyperfist2367No it doesn’t. It just cleanses any cc effects already on him. He can still be slowed during ult.
@x_x-hyperfist2367
8 ай бұрын
@@tlkfanrwbyfan8716 anti slow, try in custom
@unknownparty641
8 ай бұрын
If his ult can Immune all cc and again max atk speed 😮😮
@mohamedkeddache4202
8 ай бұрын
argus is like a close range marksman. he is so squishy in the late game, you have to ult first then enter team fight. i always be dead before that the hook of skill 1 reached the target (you are not able to ult while in the dash state)
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Not only late...in early he useless and squishy
@JetroGL29
8 ай бұрын
1:10 Bro, Cici don't even move 😭
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Yup...argus so weak...no one scare when face to face with him...even zilong have a better damage when using inspire...
@wilhelmsteele5560
8 ай бұрын
Well for one Merge back his Old (First release) passive with the new one and bump up his Movement speed, lastly a built in auto activate his Ult when critical hp, that'll shoot him to the top
@EFTZ8430
8 ай бұрын
1st and 2nd skill cd is long and ultimate can only save him for 4 sec. Can only realy on basic attack but if enemy buys dominance ice his attack speed and lifesteal decreases and blade armour reverse damage.
@V_For_Vendettaedits
8 ай бұрын
Im main argus and i've been thinking, what could make Argus good and even maybe Meta? I arrived to the conclusion that he needs the following +1 second to ult duration (the second they took away, it was really unnecesary to take it) During ult he should have 20 plus speed movement on each level of ult (meaning when you ult with a lvl 3 ult you have 60+ movement speed) and being inmune to slow down effects This one could be added or not its just an extra, not really neccesary: plus 20 physical attack as passive on each lvl of ult OR during the duration of his ult he could have 100+ physical attack, ONLY FOR THE DURATION OF THE ULT, this is balanced since if you have 60+ as a passive atk increase you have It all the time, while the other gives you a lot more atk at the expense of only having that buff for the ult duration His second skill should have increased damage against Heroes OR should be able to do critical damage only to heroes (this would make the second skill a good damage asset, since this would mean it could make 1.2k to 1.8k damage just on first hit against anyone without physical defense), its either that or they should double the speed it gives you while walking on the cursed trail, or another option would be to increase his attack speed of cursed enemies And last but not least, his passive: it should ignore 50% of the enemy defense instead of 40% (its not a lot, but its something atleast) and each passive hit should give him 250HP as base regen, it would increase at the same rate it does now With all that, i think no more buff or debuff should be applied to argus, he would be strong, its just a matter of the meta players to decide if he would be meta or not
@luigimatthew6614
8 ай бұрын
"Why are the devs so scared of buffing Argus?" Darth Vader: *You don't know the power of the dark side...*
@zekeace8154
8 ай бұрын
If y'all here are Argus Mains or ex-Argus Mains that wants buff Argus so bad. Post a suggestion in their customer support everyday that hear our voice to buff Argus. I'm in my 21st day of posting of petition for buffing Argus in advance server.
@whiteson6986
8 ай бұрын
People : Dev so scare to buff Argus Moonton : Ahaha Wait for new Skin😅
@Xavier.............
8 ай бұрын
new skin that skin for rich people
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Nope...nothing change when they realease star wars skin
@Wansazwan04
7 ай бұрын
Even the creator are scared at their own creation😭🙏🏻 Argus is him 🗣️💯💯💯💯💯 I remember using the old argus in rank and easily 1v5 everyone😂
@katanaman9530
8 ай бұрын
Moonton is having trouble buffing heros like argus,helcurt,and wanwan cuz they're ultimates are both unique and powerful especialy argus hence the constant nerf and buff to the point they are being forgoten like phoveous
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Nope...helcurt and wanwan still in meta even have adjustment
@hanzrobertbeladas5386
8 ай бұрын
That one second change in his ult made argus worse💀
@ikhsanmuhammad2375
8 ай бұрын
Nah it was his nerfed lower base and growth of his physical att and aspd that actually made him sucks. his one sec change is not a big deal at all since u can always use it twice in span of one minutes (and now it even have slow immunity)
@hilmanmarlak8389
8 ай бұрын
@@ikhsanmuhammad2375I think he mean immediate full rage when Argus open his ultimate
@hanzrobertbeladas5386
8 ай бұрын
@@ikhsanmuhammad2375 argus's ult doesn't have slow immunity, I played argus all the time and kimmy and valir still pisses me off 😔
@ikhsanmuhammad2375
8 ай бұрын
ah i just checked they removed his slow immunity on last couple patch. wtf moonton @@hanzrobertbeladas5386
@alzetilted33
8 ай бұрын
"So, which buff do you think will make argus a lot better than the current one we have" Just revert his skills & stats back to the old version
@Closse
8 ай бұрын
Atk speed buff But old is new
@hypwhoknowsanything3551
8 ай бұрын
Yeah old argus is WAY better and crit build is actually viable on him
@andryhunter8604
8 ай бұрын
@@hypwhoknowsanything3551almost no one 1vs1 againts old Argus😂 If the damage back like the old one it will scary😂
@ssctiyo4735
8 ай бұрын
@@andryhunter8604i remembered older days Argus can deal 1500 damage on crit with his basic attack alone
@alzetilted33
8 ай бұрын
@@ssctiyo4735 now just stuck at 400-600 crit
@beegaming342
8 ай бұрын
Argus needs high farm. Treat him as a back line killer since he’s decent (at best) mobility.
@lovelysunday5091
8 ай бұрын
Backline killer ? Wind of nature and Winter truncheon literally stop argus
@alemansprototypeguy
8 ай бұрын
Roamers and EXP laners guarding their backliners:
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
And flicker😂 mage now have a huge damage...argus have no time even 1 second to kill..he use his first skill and die easily by eudora...@@lovelysunday5091
@watzittooya7499
8 ай бұрын
Once upon time, Argus main walking proudly...
@treeguardien
8 ай бұрын
I think the problem here is the fact that argus is literally UNABLE TO LIVE in ANY fight without his ultimate, so he is Way Too dependent on his ult
@burnzey1785
8 ай бұрын
You have to change his 40% penetration to x% crit chance for 2 seconds after activation Crit benefits his malice regeneration as well as his burst potential and reducing the amount of items needed to complete his crit build. If he had 40% crit for 2 seconds after passive it means he could only build berserkers fury and focus on other items such as high physical attack or more attack speed
@x_Foxy_
8 ай бұрын
Moonton with Edith: "Let's literally DOUBLE her passive hp based damage in late game 😃" Moonton with Argus: "Wanna deal 10 huge points of damage more in early game? 🔥"
@dtly50
8 ай бұрын
For one, having a physical attack high enough to use crit build. His base attack is so low that almost any fighter with war axe and tank build has more atk at lvl 15. Its extremely bad for crit build to have no base atk. Doing 800 dmg crits as a melee is... sad not even counting armour. Alternatively make the passive reset not reliant on crit so trinity is better.
@MikeKazawski
8 ай бұрын
Moonton is afraid of buffing a weak hero but confident enough to buff an already decent hero and overbuff it
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Moonton only buff hero that have big fans and popularity like gusion
@minhquanvu2944
8 ай бұрын
Also the 2 big problem: Dominece Ice: High physical armor, atk speed reduction and anti heal, all in one item with a relatively low cost. To recounter that one item, you'll need dmg, atk speed and physical penetration. Non of the physical atk item for basic attacker has all that. Malefic Roar is useless in early game thanks to Moonton changing how penetration works and assassin abusing it. Berserker's Axe got it price gone up by 500 gold since 2020 and has 0 atk speed. Haas' claw seems nice but 0 dmg, windstalker also has 0 dmg (literally), so we're forced to build trinity, which also needs at least 2 item to start to being relevant. I will repeat again that this item is too cheap to build early game 2. His ult doesn't work as describe. He is supposed to heal an amount equals to all dmg dealt to enemies when his ult is over, and only that total amount is healed when the ult ends and doesn't get affected by dmg taken during it. But somehow taking dmg during the ult reduce that total heal.
@earthisadonut7213
8 ай бұрын
It's a problem with all basic attack fighters. Crit build is dead because of Blade Armour and Vengeance. So we're forced to use GS and DHS combo. The reason why Argus and Sun can't compare to Freya and Zilong is because the latter two are more than just basic attacks.
@SillyFloof
8 ай бұрын
The Bane slander is crazy 😭
@Sum_Ting_Wong_
8 ай бұрын
But we can't complain hororo because it's the truth.
@CatSatoru671
8 ай бұрын
Fanmade buff for argus -Damage Buff -M1 attack speed
@panamex5703
8 ай бұрын
Moonton at the same time : we want to keep terizla's tanky, strong crowd control and high damage at the same time. They are terrible at adjusting heroes
@Badget007
8 ай бұрын
Funny how Terizla only having 1 to no damage items still manages to defeat a hero who literally has death immune skill
@Angelo.019
8 ай бұрын
Here's the problems with him after using him till I reached Philippine ranked in argus. 1. He is too reliant on his ulti to deal massive amount of damage in temfights 2. Ulti reliance. • Players tend to run away when he uses his ULTI and then just slow him down or stun him to escape from him and waste his ulti or wait until his ulti disappear's before they go back and murk him as if he was a flightless bird in hunting season 3. He gets obliterated in early • Early heroes tend to freeze lane and alot of core's knows his very weak in early even with or without his ult so they visit him more than often compared to other fighters. It's a struggle to use him till mid game and late since he can't easily deal massive amounts of damage in early. • Games typically lasts only 10-13min which means he can't reach late game • He will be useless in teamfights (depending on the lineup or situation) until late game unless he gets an early kill and gets ahead in gold and level against his other enemy laner. 4. The buffs moonton gives him is not noticeable until late game but the buffs are so small that you won't be able to notice it and his buffs are useless against enemy's with dominance and very tanky front enemies that deal high damage. 5. He sometimes can only be used to finish off enemies or pick and murk enemies that are alone or too deep into the allied territory he is like an ambush predator but a fish when it's teamfights. And if he fails to kill enemy's that are alone very fast then he is doomed since the enemy can easily respond and the tanks are usually the first one to respond. And then here's the buffs I suggest or adjustments for him 1. I suggest to make his ULT have slow reduction like 30-40% slow reduction and a 25-30% stun reduction that way it's easier for him to escape if his ULTI is about to disappear. If this is too op then make his ULTI last 12-13 seconds. 2. Make his second have the burn damage again or bleed damage? Also increase its damage 3 increase his HP growth bro can easily be murked by auroras ULTI like he was a pudding
@Angelo.019
8 ай бұрын
This is just based on my opinion as an argus user
@BySkycell
8 ай бұрын
You're right 😢. So i did: fighter emblem( fatal, bargain hunter, weakness finder) 3 attack items (DHS, corrosion scythe, wind talker) and 2 defense (dominance ice cream and Athena) + Sprint battle spell. Now i need someone else to judge bcs it's working for me 😊
@ians.5026
8 ай бұрын
Me as a user argus, i think this build+emblem might help you! Item: -Tough/Warrior/Swift Boots -Corrision Scythe -Haas Claw -wintalker -Demon sword -Malefic roar *In the late game you can change ur boots to Blade of despair or Sea healbeard* Emblem: -Assasin-Swifts/Rupture, Master Assasin, Quantum Charge/Wilderness. Spell: Execute/Inspire Hope this help❤
@pjarsenal6
6 ай бұрын
The buff that i want is to bring back the old Argus where he can spam his passive at low hp. I miss the old one since he can go toe to toe with other sustain heroes
@ArmaRouge809
8 ай бұрын
I use argus but since it says if it crit he's life will comes back faster mostly if he use ult so instead I build crit than the speed attack without a shoes because since argus 1st is long range but cannot run faster to escape it away
@Cr21eep
7 ай бұрын
It would be great if they brought back his old passive, which is a triple attack, the third strike with a short dash it will follow the enemy so they cant dodge, his two strike passive is dodgeable which 😞 .. sucks.
@l3m3n0p
8 ай бұрын
atk speed increase resilence while ult active, blink passive or longer ult duration compensated wth longer cd, like 6s ult with 50s cd will be fine
@karlbane8541
8 ай бұрын
I'm sorry but I just want to let out my thoughts on this one I used to be an Argus main and I really love his mechanics very much but ever since his first revampyears ago, he's only been performing worse with each update. This isn't because of Argus himself, but because of the metas around the game. The best part of his ult is the removal of his CC reduction and increased passive charging speed. Nowadays, he can't even deal decent damage without inspire, even against squishy heroes. And even against them, Argus is toast if they have Winter Truncheon or Wind of Nature. I miss the days when I could win long streaks using Argus, now I barely use him anymore. I could only think that he's a forgotten hero by Moonton. Even Sun got a decent buff.
@ArgusBessmertovich
8 ай бұрын
The developers need to buff the first Argus's skill, meaning they need to bring back the range for second phase , and bring back the 1 second stan for the first phase. On the second skill they should bring back the bleed. The passive's charge speed should be removed, as the passive itself needs to be revamp. The Argus's ult should get back 1 second of immortality without increasing the cooldown. And finally the passive! The 40% penetration should be removed from the passive, it's useless! Against fat heroes you still need to buy penetration, the passive alone doesn't save you! And vs mages or assassins this penetration is completely useless. Argus should get back the old passive, the lower the health, the more often the passive triggers. It used to work after every autoattack at low health and it doesn't matter if Argus has ult or not. Also, they need to change Argus' stats. Right now even supports have more physical attack growth. We need to make a minimum of 10 physical attack points per level, and also return attack speed growth, which was also nerfed. Funny thing is, almost all of the changes I'd want are essentially previous versions of Argus. The developers killed him themselves.
@AbyssYTgaming
6 ай бұрын
Best Update - Bring Back Bleed on Skill & Enhance ult - Allow his sword to extend on a chain during his ult and give him aoe damage similar to Freya(with enhanced basic attack effect like Julian so every hit brings them closer) or some buff to just standard immortality because its not really amplifying him beyond that since they removed the damage increase
@reizeazquiel425
8 ай бұрын
As someone else said in the comments A buff that inflicts CC to enemies when his ultimate is used like Terror similar to vexana and new heclurt would be a good addition to make him functional in clash.
@muh.andianto
8 ай бұрын
The typical hero that I played the least is basic attacker fighter. You are forced to glass cannon build (like MM) but risk your life in melee range.
@EFTZ8430
8 ай бұрын
Sometimes wish they trun him into old argus 80 sec ultimate cd time and 2nd skill deals damage and movement speed but atleast he had low hp = more attack speed and also he could survive and deal damage.
@barnakolitos
8 ай бұрын
when his HP is at lower than 20% make his passive deal double damage or a pure damage or a pursuit (just like alucard ) or something else just to make him scarier than being a 4seconds gangster that is ready to run when ult expires
@Korro9600
8 ай бұрын
My only complain about this is that why did they even bother to remove his 2nd skill effect where it damages heroes every time they move? Them removing that makes argus even worse.
@MrJomharp
8 ай бұрын
The glory days are gone, the days where Argus is literally invincible to anything (except surpress) during fallen angle state and where he didn't constantly need to use inspire to melt the enemy's hp. We are now the age of where moonton would prefer to mess around the game to experiment instead of making actual good game balancing updates. It could never become any better ever since the first few wanwan nerfs and the unnecessary revamps, buffs, etc.
@sepimongthonger
8 ай бұрын
Ngl i was there when argus first came every game he was a threat 1-5 savage just like a piece of cake
@searpen1848
7 ай бұрын
As a one trick argus main that has tried other heroes, its just depressing how many heroes can just delete halve if not all of an opponent hp with just a minimum of 2 press of a button in early and mid game while argus have to do some sort of outplay to at least get the smallest amount of advantage. Example of a "balance" hero vs argus: Guinevere can just jump over, and combo you to halve health in the early game while argus need to do quick trades but cant wait to long or else you would be jumped by her skill 2 then comboed which also healled her some of the damage that you do to her AND she had a free get outta jail with skill 2(part 2) also did i mention that her skill 2 can get multiple people; Cici is cici... No need to explain (moontoon was smoking something wgen they made this devil with a smiling face); and arlot(he is still strong as shet) where he can dominate most lane after lvl 2 with his skill 2 which double dmg against marked enemies AND HEALS ALOT OF HP BACK. Granted this is if you are not perma ganked by enemy jgler because of argus being a neon sign of "Hey if you don't stop me from building most of my items imma kill all of you!!!". ALTERNATIVELY, if you use someone like masha who has a pretty similar gameplan as argus but can actually teamfight in the early and midgame vs Guinevere: Has enough tankyness to tank a gui combo, can immediately fight back with about the same dmg as argus halfway build with 1 item(golden staff goes brrrr) and has lifesteal from her skill 1 which also act as dhs. Her only con is she cant fight multiple opponents... WHICH ARGUS ALSO STRUGGLE WITH. Even with all this ranting, there is no stopping someone like me to onetrick him and discovering new strategies vs the meta heroes For argus tips against most of this: Gui can be grabbed mid air which is possible but also very risky so timed your grab before she jumped you Cici cant be fought for now sorry :(, thought some quick burst can widdle her down if you can survive long enough Arlot can be surprisingly easy in the first couple of level, you just have to let him hit you first so he doesn't heal anything back in the first couple attacks and this window can be your chance to all in him since after he uses all his dashes he is just a sitting duck and if you are in danger of dying than just ult and you prob win
@nursidenmisuari4812
8 ай бұрын
In my own opinion, I guess the Buff Argus Needs is Lower skill CD in the Early game and Shield Breaking like Zilong and Dyrroth's 2nd skill since he's a Basic attack fighter. He needs this especially the Shield breaking to maximize the damage despite for a basic attack fighter. If you noticed, both Zilong and Argus are basic attack melee heroes but players prefer Zilong than Argus is because Zilong can Burst enemies with the Shield breaking of his 2nd skill compared to Argus who is even squishier than Zilong even you had all the Lifesteal items. Argus really needs attention from the Devs..
@Adrian23554
4 ай бұрын
I hope argus will get the duration of ultimate as a thamuz its ok to reduce his speed attack
@ludarjrluyaben1435
8 ай бұрын
Crowley talking to sam: I deserve to be loved Moonton to argus: you deserve sht😂😂
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Definitely 😂
@mohamedkeddache4202
8 ай бұрын
layla, hanabi, Lesley, miya was the same hero and now montoon finally realized that they have to make changes to them, the same thing for udora, vale, aurora and now they are getting changed. i hope the next will be Argus, zilong, aulus.
@strikespheare8412
8 ай бұрын
And these Argus experts will say "stop complaining,, this revamped Argus has a better damage output"... Fighter is not all about damage,, but it's more about how to 'effectively' hit the target.. When they remove his Damage over time in skill 2,, it is mean they removes Argus's hit rate about 50% + his poking ability...And now they trying to bring back his poking ability with early dmg buff?? What's the point of revamp then?? smh
@loststray
4 ай бұрын
for me.. they should keep him like before and also he need the scarlet phantom..I know the passive for scarlet phantom is in hars claw(sorry I didn't remember the name) but it only have the attack speed buff when do crit damage.. while scarlet phantom increase attack speed and physical damage by 40% or 20% as I remember.. also for me..the old argus passive with chase effect is better..I got lot of savage with that old passive and reach higher rank easily
@loststray
4 ай бұрын
oh yea also the new argus passive is also good but only for 1 vs 1.. for me the passive hit like a truck with the old emblem set
@mikelon.0_0.51
8 ай бұрын
It sounds like you're frustrated with the balance of buffs in a game, particularly with how certain characters' basic attacks compare to others. It can be disappointing when a character's abilities or stats don't seem to match up well with others, especially when considering their ultimates. Balancing characters in games can be tricky, and developers often make adjustments based on player feedback and data to improve the overall experience.
@sweetending4245
8 ай бұрын
He is fine now, all u need is buy armor to sustain early game, buy warrior boots and legplate then buy corrosion, golden, dhs. Buy war axe, and brute force to charge and cd reduc. I usually use sup emblem for faster ult. His weakness is early game. U need cover it by buying armor. Also supp emblem is best for laning. I dont use assasin since i dont see kill potential in the early.
@tlkfanrwbyfan8716
8 ай бұрын
Oh look, Dominance Ice, now you’re useless again.
@OdedKumin
8 ай бұрын
having hard time with ruby too,in late game enemys deal a lot of damage when in team fight while ruby protect them unable to deal damage .so the only option is split push and make the enemy defend
@velsonvelasquez5690
8 ай бұрын
He needs that dashing passive like before and also some attack speed from ulti
@NoName-em7ql
8 ай бұрын
Now make his atk speed growth higher. I mean, he's a basic att hero. :/ Or they can add more basic att effect on his 2nd skill trails, not just recharge rage 2x. Add like att speed bonus, armor reduce(dyroth), anti heal(baxia). And make his ult has debuff immunity for entire ult duration so he can counter DomiIce for 4 seconds. Keep the cleanse aswell. Maybe just forget allthat above, and give him his bonus 10 physical att from ult upgrade back!
@ImPipoy
8 ай бұрын
The rot of the 2nd skill should also deal damage even without moving but the damage will be a bit lower than if the enemy is moving
@desrucca
8 ай бұрын
Proof hororo is indonesian 1:07
@alfimuhammads1476
8 ай бұрын
Lol
@Xavier.............
4 ай бұрын
For a fair buff argus skill 1 second phase needs to be counted as basic attack agreed?
@Sum_Ting_Wong_
8 ай бұрын
He's Sun but without a clone.
@farizzuan2
8 ай бұрын
Solo sun even better than him
@Catlesskitten
8 ай бұрын
There is one patch that i play at adv server, where the argus was extremely strong enough, doesn't even need ult to kill late game marksman
@wokeydokey6885
8 ай бұрын
Argus with attack speed build is better now compared to crit build even though his passive fills with crit. Whichever build you chose, golden staff is a must since it can trigger his passive attack twice in a row most of the times.
@axgbb
8 ай бұрын
They should give him a dash skill since he relies so much on basic attacks to actually do anything if not then give him a proper movement speed not just when he's walking in the shadow trail kinda like what Zilong gets when he uses his ult
@MHAOvercharged
8 ай бұрын
To add salt into the wound. It took them 3 years to finally implement the 2nd skill curse icon on jungle creeps. Back then when bleeding effects exist they didn't even bother putting the curse icon which is proof the developer dislikes Argus existence. 😠
@beamged
8 ай бұрын
Give him cc immunity and speed while ult is active and he'll be a demon LORE ACCURATE
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