It can be hard to give a hard number for a population for a Ecumenopolis in sci-if. Writers probably gave a high number that sounded good like they did with the clones number.
@zachchartier570
Ай бұрын
yeah, but I don't think "200,000 with a million more on the way" EVER actually made sense for fighting a GALACTIC war from the beginning. That's barely enough to cover the standing army of a single modern, militarized country on as single planet.
@jaegercat6702
Ай бұрын
@@zachchartier570writers aren’t military experts, they just picked a big number. Plus, when you give actual galactic scale numbers, normal people can tend to think it sounds ridiculous. Reminds of when they gave some number about the durability of durasteel which sounded big but was actually weaker than cardboard
@Krzaczor-ym9gd
Ай бұрын
@@zachchartier570 i agree with you but that could be interpreted by units of an unknown size so it could be 1.2 million legions, division etc.
@spathens8225
Ай бұрын
@@Krzaczor-ym9gdyeah I agree, it makes no sense that a single clone legion, even if they were elite, would be ablw to conquer an entire planet. 10,000 clones is the size of a normal large city’s police department, nyc has 34,000 uniformed officers.
@dinoblacklane1640
Ай бұрын
@@zachchartier570 oh yeah 1.2 million where you compare to modern militaries is nothing Even the Napoleonic Wars in 1815 had 5 million deaths. 1.5 million total soldiers is nothing
@WhitefangGreytail
Ай бұрын
There was a great disturbance in the Force as everyone in every level of Coruscant attempted to log onto the census website to submit their form, only to be faced with sad faces when the website timed out. (In reference to Australia's census failure of 2016)
@Menaceblue3
Ай бұрын
How do Austrians mark their census when everything is upside down?
@WhitefangGreytail
Ай бұрын
@@Menaceblue3 I'm sure the Austr(al)ian pens are upside down as well.
@Natedawg1998
Ай бұрын
I think the size of the habitable areas in the undercity alone pretty clearly demonstrates that the planetary census only extends to the very upper most layer of the planets surface Meaning theres potentially 100x as many people living, unregistered and unreported, in the dense verticle sprawl that stretches about 15 miles down to the planets surface Coruscant's population is, imo, likely to be in the tens, if not 100's of Trillions of people, simply due to how massive the urban sprawl actually is As a comparison, a Hive City from 40K stretches about 6-8 miles into the sky, and can house nearly a trillion inhabitants inside itself Coruscant is if you made a hive city taller, and instead of a single city, covered the entire planets surface with urbanization
@Kevc00
Ай бұрын
Hive cities don't house a trillion people, the largest number in the tens of billions
@WhitefangGreytail
Ай бұрын
That would make sense. If police don't want to travel too far down, what's the likelihood that census workers would travel down to ensure the data is collected?
@EGRJ
Ай бұрын
@@WhitefangGreytail Mail service probably ain't exactly reliable either.
@mattstorm360
Ай бұрын
@@EGRJ And even if it was, how many down there can read or write? The further you go down the more lawless it becomes but i'm sure education also suffers.
@thekaxmax
Ай бұрын
environmental monitoring would easily be able to detect that difference from the listed population. Double or 10x, that's believable, but not 100x
@Nevergates
Ай бұрын
Underreporting Coruscant's population as 3 trillion is like trying to convince people the USA has a population of 3500
@sulljoh1
Ай бұрын
Scifi authors have no sense of scale
@jacobwells8368
Ай бұрын
@@sulljoh1 Exactly. It's mind-blowing that you can calculate the scope of something like this (Population based on density and area) in like 5 to 15 minutes, and yet so few do. It hurts my brain when I hear that a planet of thousands of layers of skyscraper cities has a population of [Insert small number] because it "Sounds big, therefore should be about right"
@OttoKreml
6 күн бұрын
350,000 more like. A lie that might be believed if 99% of the population were mole people we never saw, and all media was government controlled.
@arthurbriand2175
Ай бұрын
Like everybody here I imagine, I would have loved and still hope for a show about the lower levels and the underworld of Coruscant.
@MonkeyJedi99
Ай бұрын
Or a video game? ... oh, darn.
@benm3017
Ай бұрын
I imagine our current best hope for such a show is another clone focused animated show, that shows whatever Captain Rex and Echo got up to when they weren't with the rest of the Bad Batch. Given that Rex is staying predominantly on Coruscant between 19 and 18 BBY
@Ciangottino
Ай бұрын
Holy Terra in 40k population is counted in the quadrilions in some novels, imagine that.
@davidtherwhanger6795
Ай бұрын
Which is something akin to what Coruscant should have. Authors of many fictional settings often low ball the population counts because we really don't have a sense of scale at that level.
@dinoblacklane1640
Ай бұрын
Terra's population has changed multiple times with multiple authors Actually that describes 40k a lot
@ServantOfOdin
Ай бұрын
@@dinoblacklane1640 Indeed. The massive shifts in scale are quite accurate. Nonetheless, the number would always be somewhere in the quadrillions, givent he flux of people in any out and about.
@nomercyinc6783
Ай бұрын
@@ServantOfOdin people visiting dont count as inhabitants
@Ciangottino
Ай бұрын
@@ServantOfOdin Correct, Terra is an ecumenopolis with lot of layers like Coruscant and is considered the most massive hive city in all of the Imperium, this alone tells alot.
@thekaxmax
Ай бұрын
According to analysis, Coruscant has ample living room for a quadrillion and, with recycling, no issues with food, clean water, or clean air. Poverty and widespread crime is a policy choice.
@oldered5663
Ай бұрын
Issac Authur covers this, most sci fi either thinks to big in some areas and too small in others...
@darthogge1844
Ай бұрын
This absurdly sized population was also the reason that Darth Malgus assumed the Sith Empire would orbitally bombard the planet instead of occupying it after the sacking of Coruscant. (He did not know that the Emperor and Dark Council wanted Coruscant as a bargaining chip in the ongoing negotiations on Alderaan.)
@smartass0124
Ай бұрын
Zootopia has multiple environments for different species from the same planet shouldn't corasant have different environments for different atmospheres and gravity levels
@robertnelson9599
Ай бұрын
In legends Coruscant was the homeworld of humanity. Disney just copies that without saying it.
@valdotorg
Ай бұрын
“Only if those residents could afford those environments” is the correct answer I think. It’s not unusual to see non-human people wearing all sorts of breathing apparatus and life support suits in Star Wars. Fun fact: non-human person is an actual legal term.
@bennettbush3906
26 күн бұрын
@@robertnelson9599So their earth.
@martincurrie6243
Ай бұрын
That assumes 75% of the surface is inhabited. Imagine the amount of food impoerted by space ship for 100 trillion people. What if most of the surface areas is composed of urban farms and food factories. Water storage and reclamation. Atmosphere control etc. vast space ports importing raw materials and factory districts. Even with 10% or 20% inabated we would still be talking about many trillions of inhabitants.
@papapalps2415
28 күн бұрын
Imagine unironically trying to pretend less than half of Coruscant is actually urbanized or major inhabited, lmfao. Watch the Goddamn movies.
@evangreen3080
28 күн бұрын
@@papapalps2415we see parts of the planet in the movies, not all of it. Do you have any idea how much food, water, and other goods would have to come in every day for a populations of quadrillions if there weren’t also some local farms, plants, and manufacturing? One bump in the supply chain and trillions die. It’s not just a matter of multiplying Manhattan by the entire planet and its levels. Additionally half the lower levels could be toxic to human life and many of them uninhabitable. Might be interesting to do archeological expeditions to them though.
@papapalps2415
28 күн бұрын
@@evangreen3080 This is a pathetic way to try to worm your way out of the issue here; you are trying to pretend a city-planet, who's entire conception, purpose, and per every description in the entire franchise is as an entirely, fantastically urbanized megapolis cityscape, has less population density than rural America. Do you have any earthly idea how silly that is?
@evangreen3080
28 күн бұрын
@@papapalps2415 nowhere near as silly as your tone. Like how old are you? What are you even talking about? This is a sci-fi franchise we’re talking about. And my points stand. How many people do you think are on the planet? I put it at no more than a quadrillion.
@wyatthale3861
Ай бұрын
You also have to remember the huge sections of Coruscant on all of the levels that would be required not just for energy production, but also manufacturing and other industries and spaceports. Most importantly, water and air purification and distribution since there is no natural air or water supply, as well as sewage treatment. I'm guessing that would take up anywhere from 20 to 40 percent of the space on all levels of the planet.
@papapalps2415
28 күн бұрын
No. That's absurd, and utterly and completely incoherent and inconsistent with every depiction or description of the planet in all of SW.
@timecontroller8800
Ай бұрын
When I read thrawn I found it very interesting when Arindha found herself on a lower level and almost got attacked by a gang and I found it very interesting learning her view of them all
@marrqi7wini54
Ай бұрын
All I'm going to say is that Rebels did not do that woman just compared to how the book depicted her.
@babytoshiro7014
Ай бұрын
Glad, Star War Generation pick up on solution to the housing crisis 6:55 America used to build lots of housing but started slowing down over 30 years ago to the point there little housing being built.
@bkayser05
Ай бұрын
This episode does make me curious, what was Coruscant like before being settled, what was the climate like, how many land masses versus oceans, etc. I also am curious how they built levels over the oceans and inhospitable areas because clearly they didn’t just wake up one morning and decide to alter an entire planet's biosphere to build a few more high rises. Like the process had to have taken thousands of years to slowly eliminate all signs of plant and animal life as they built upwards.
@branonlamphere9624
Ай бұрын
How in the hell could such a city be supported? How many ships would be needed to deliver food and goods? How does the government ( empire ) govern such a city.
@ult1mat392
Ай бұрын
How many ships? Alot lol How is it governed I'm pretty sure to empire's reach barely goes beyond the first few lower levels. The empire rules through fear. So despite the fact that there were probably more than enough people to overthrow the empire, the sight of massive star destroyers and several fleets of highly trained troopers was probably enough to scare the galaxy into submission
@MyToastyToast
Ай бұрын
Frankly I doubt after lower levels were ever supported, probably lawless and resorting to cannibalism, etc
@GlamorousTitanic21
22 күн бұрын
When I first heard the official number of 3 trillion, I knew that it was bs. I almost guarantee that that number is only taking into account those who reside on the highest levels, but not the lower ones. In reality, Coruscant’s population may be closer to around 100 or perhaps 200 trillion or more.
@KaizerKlash111
Ай бұрын
As you said, the number would be between 900 trillion and 1.1 quadrillion whilst make pretty generous assumptions on living area per person. The real "population cap" would simply be the amount passive body heat generated by that many people, you would need massive basically "magical" infrastructure to vent out all this heat off the planet, and that's without counting the heat generated by the engines of billions of ships moving on and off everyday
@the_Kutonarch
Ай бұрын
That number is 12 trillion for Earth. But they have advanced technology there, I imagine they have some technobabble solution for it.
@papapalps2415
28 күн бұрын
Given they have the technology to vent wate heat from a planet-vaporizing superlaser with relatively minimal effort, it would be a fairly safe bet, yes.
@KaizerKlash111
27 күн бұрын
@@papapalps2415 yep, agreed
@edata5898
27 күн бұрын
yeah this would be the main problem, Earth's maximum could be increased to 17 trillion assuming all non-visible light is blocked with orbital mirrors to reduce the incoming heat caused by the sun.
@alexhernandez90210
22 күн бұрын
Corusants air is artificial maybe they have something in the air to prevent the planet from over heating. It even rains on the planet which no way be possible with its type of landscape and not having visible oceans
@Sheev8435
Ай бұрын
Apparently the most efficient housing is 6 storey terraced houses. Big tower blocks can't be built everywhere, but in theory you could cover an entire city in 6 storey apartment buildings.
@suigintouivanhoe1167
Ай бұрын
Near train/tram/subway stations it makes sense to build higher, further away it would be lower. I don't think there can be any "one size fits all" solution, it would be suboptimal.
@arftrooper2057
Ай бұрын
What a facinating video, I love looking at inconsistencies like this. GT really reminded me that just because something is said in star wars doesn’t mean it’s an absolute fact. If something doesn’t make sense, there could be an in-universe reason why it’s wrong. Especially when it comes to numbers.
@weldonwin
Ай бұрын
This is something that bugs me in Isaak Asimov's Foundation books. In the first book, we are introduced to the Imperial Capitol and Throneworld of Trantor, a City-Planet like Coruscant (and indeed it's direct inspiration). We are told that owing to the planet's vast population, over 80% of whom are entirely employed in the Empire's vast bureaucracy, the planet is increasingly vulnerable to conquest by siege, where one would only have to blockade the planet and just wait for the population to start starving within a matter of days without shipments of food from off-world. And the population numbers given is 45 Billion, IE a fraction of Coruscant's official population, despite having a similar Undercity.
@keith6706
Ай бұрын
Some of us did the math, and if you assume Trantor's city only covered a continental landmass roughly the size of Earth's, and it only had, on average, 100 levels, if the given population was spread out evenly the major problem on Trantor wasn't overcrowding, it was finding someone to talk to. (The math for those interested: Earth has 149 million square kilometers of not-water. Multiply that by 100, you get 10.49 billion square kilometers. That gives you a population density of 3 people per square kilometer, or significantly less than that of Canada, and about the same as Australia which, needless to say, still has vast areas devoted to farmland, industry, or just being left alone where no one lives.)
@weldonwin
Ай бұрын
@@keith6706 I think we can assume that Asimov gave the population numbers on Trantor as what seemed an unimaginably vast number when he was writing back in the 1950's, but didn't really do the math on it and didn't consider it important anyway, since what he was really interested in was the big concepts like Psycho-History and the fall of the Empire.
@violetlight1548
Ай бұрын
If this video does one thing, it greatly inflates the casualty rate of the Vong War. You can't even imagine how many people they and their bio-constructs killed on this one planet alone, never mind the path of brutality and violence they carved through the rest of the Galaxy.
@arthurbriand2175
Ай бұрын
Do we know anything about the Coruscant system ? Are there other inhabited planets or moons? Are there orbital farms in the system? Or are all ressources even food coming from hyperspace.
@Forsworcen
Ай бұрын
If I remember correctly they do get quite a lot of resources off world but they also have extensive on-planet farming in the lower levels. Can’t remember what book it was that mentioned it but one said something about large under level farming. Probably hydroponics or some other advanced tech…
@arthurbriand2175
Ай бұрын
Just checked, most facts are from legends but apparently there is a lightly inhabited planet right next to it in the system called Vandor 3 that still gas oceans and nature. It's still very dense compared to Galactic standard but it's comparably livable. I wonder if some affluent Coruscanti live in countryside suburbs on Vandor 3 and commute every day.
@arthurbriand2175
Ай бұрын
@@ForsworcenThey could do orbital farms, it's easier to get sunlight than in lower levels.
@Forsworcen
Ай бұрын
@@arthurbriand2175I agree, and with the technology of the SW galaxy that sort of thing would be childsplay. I only vaguely remember some Legends book talking about undercity farms
@brianbushue
Ай бұрын
man, one of your best videos! ty! you always have the coolest sw questions to ask
@nathanieljackson5554
Ай бұрын
Hundreds of Trillions of lifeforms on Coruscant would not surprise me at all. I always thought of it as a blend of every crowded city on Earth multiplied by 10K but it should be more like 1 million times.
@smartass0124
Ай бұрын
Under count of 1 planet is 3 trillion and there's billions of planets. In that galaxy yet everything in that galaxy revolves around like 10 people
@isaackim7675
Ай бұрын
We seriously need a 1313 game where all the scum and villainy can be found
@valdotorg
Ай бұрын
Star Wars Outlaws isn’t good enough for you? I AM JUST KIDDING
@jamesharrison5851
Ай бұрын
Hello there Allen, my name is James, I cant get enough of your videos and SW info, yet this one peaked an interesting point, if coruscant has 5000 levels and the peak of there biggest mountain can just be visible, how large would the original plant surface be and how high is the highest mountain? Surely all the levels would change the dynamics of mass for the planet. See you In the next one
@ghr501able
Ай бұрын
You're forgeting builing codes are some times too strict some are needed but some needs to go and land prices are way too damn high.
@cheekybugger796
Ай бұрын
Great job on the video Adam!😁
@Peizxcv
Ай бұрын
Are these levels like individual floor in a building? Or are they more like vertical districts with mulit-story buildings and floors within them? 5000 floors is like 25 km in height, 5000 levels would be hundreds of km in height
@jaegercat6702
Ай бұрын
Seemingly each level is basically a whole other city built atop the last one, so yeah, it goes deep
@Krzaczor-ym9gd
Ай бұрын
almost every level is like manhattan but 3x denser
@g.williams2047
Ай бұрын
I’ve always thought that Coruscant actually has a significant portion of its levels completely uninhabitable to humans and species that coexist with humans. Most of those thousands of levels can’t be lived in by beings who could fathom the idea of being a citizen. That 1-3 trillion number is also definitely just the surface and important levels.
@smartass0124
Ай бұрын
3 trillion is a Minimum half 🐴 count for 1 planet . In a galaxy of billions of planets yet the everything in that galaxy revolves around lol 10 people
@Hello-bi1pm
Ай бұрын
Not 10 people in EU, all this lore infrastructure was built because there were many stories going on, all the planets in the galaxy map are from some EU author writing about their stuff, not just made up for no reason.
@nobodyknows9937
Ай бұрын
Nihilus should have just been chilling in a small ship in orbit of coruscant for decades instead of doing what he did.
@captainfach
Ай бұрын
Okay you should definitely do a video on the different types of currencies in the Star Wars universe and what you might think they are worse. Not in comparison to like US dollars or anything but in comparison to each other and the specific denominations you think each are worth such as the bronze silver and gold Republic credits. There's never been a fixed number on those, but you are so thorough with your research that I think you guys could sleuth out any good numbers and get pretty close to what each type of credit might be worth based on just context clues from everything. I would love that video so much because that's the thing that I'm weirdly focused on Now, and I don't know why
@janwitts2688
Ай бұрын
Soylent products available locally..
@kevinstanhope9724
Ай бұрын
Soylent green is clones!
@silentpoet75
Ай бұрын
The taste varies from person to person.
@claymclaren5788
Ай бұрын
Corpse Starch
@jakeb526
28 күн бұрын
Star Wars: you don’t know how many people are living on coruscant!? It’s our capital planet! We’re trying ok! Warrhammer 40K: Hey how many people are living on Holy Terra? lol I don’t fucking know lol
@QuintusAntonious
Ай бұрын
Would this much weight and life on a planet's surface do anything strange to the planet itself? Like, when we have miles of concrete and steel plus several quadrillion lifeforms, does all that concentrated weight matter on a planetary scale, or are we still dealing with something much too small to matter on a planetary level? I have to imagine that the heat and bodily emissions alone would do something, even if the weight didn't.
@the_Kutonarch
Ай бұрын
Mass wise/gravity, it's nothing. Heat wise, yes. Earth can physically only sustain 12 trillion human beings. Going beyond that, it would require active intervention to reduce the amount of waste heat being retained, so some kind of heat sink or radiator, or something else to far future to speculate on.
@QuintusAntonious
Ай бұрын
@@the_Kutonarch This would probably make a good topic for a video honestly. I know some of these ideas have been addressed in the old EU.
@lerneanlion
Ай бұрын
Considering Coruscant's importance, will the Empire dared use the Death Star on it if its most likely more than trillion population revolted?
@mrpocock
Ай бұрын
My inner scientist says the population is heavily constrained by resource flux. Food, water, O2 and CO2, power, heat.
@justincameron9661
Ай бұрын
I can see Allen having his own coffee brand called corusant coffee
@MichaelRainey
Ай бұрын
There is a Star Wars licensed coffee. It was too expensive when it came out so it wasn't moving. My grocery store has already marked it down and it's still expensive.
@FernandoMartinez-pv1id
Ай бұрын
Best Star Wars Channel
@ArticulateArena
Ай бұрын
Anyone that watches Isaac Arthur is not shocked and know this is actually completely viable irl. I thought he was going to say quadrillion at least btw
@busydadscooking001
Ай бұрын
I've learned so much more about the American census process in five minutes than in forty years as an American .. :D
@alexthedemon2203
Ай бұрын
1:53 did you just make a pun?
@zisforziggens
24 күн бұрын
Ooooooff
@harry-duongchivy7172
Ай бұрын
16:06 man, I had hope that the sequel can be this cool but no it's Rey's times (20th times)
@Geraduss
Ай бұрын
Well if you look at the light pollution depicted on most if not all depictions of the planet you would notice that it actually isn't that bad, our world during night/dark side view from space has more light pollution over populated areas, especially Europe, China, India and North America. There is also a very important issues that ecumonopolis has, and that's heat radiation, to many people and to much machinery would cause to much heat for the planet surface to handle, why they depict those giant circular structure on the planet's surface that are supposed to be heat vents channeling the access heat away from the population centres. What I'm trying to say is that I think that only about 20% of the surface is actually urban centres the rest is just heat channels. Tho yes, the 3 trillion estimation would still be to low, but going in to quadrillion would just be hell. Oh and cooling isn't the same as heating, the energy still needs to go somewhere, and empty space doesn't radiate heat(Can't shoot in to space), so it would be stuck ON the planet to be either stored in some way or redistributed.
@mrmors1344
Ай бұрын
if they removed their own ozone layer and managed to channel the heat into say massive heat stores that boil water for power or fuel mini suns for fusion power in containment, and then have both soylent green [there are not tower sized stacks of dead bodies on planet, the bodies go somewhere] and waste recycling into those star trek food maker things, it would be hell for most of the people that aren't super rich but livable* remember they stripped the planet surface, water included, to bedrock, made thousands of layers of sci fi cities on top of eachother and the upper levels are in the upper atmosphere above even the tallest natural mountain on planet. now heat and pollution from all the air speeders and other equipment... that would have to be handwaved as much as the channeling of heat for the power generation. which coruscant does have massive power generation in the lowest levels where no people live. because remember each level is height of a skyscraper or hundreds of feet on own. their atmosphere is way thicker than earths due to that almost certainly, and the area in the clouds is breathable normally like at ocean level according to ep2.
@the_Kutonarch
Ай бұрын
The heat capacity for Earth has been estimated as 12 Trillion humans. But I remember novels where they talk about heating the poles with space mirrors, so I don't believe the authors have thought about heat sinks.
@Geraduss
Ай бұрын
@@the_Kutonarch Also why I mentioned light pollution is because its a good indicator of urban sprawl, and as mentioned using that you can infer that Chorusant actually isn't that "Urbanised" sure there are metallic "things" covering the surface but vast majority if you look closely is just dark, meaning there is no urban activity there whatsoever.
@the_Kutonarch
Ай бұрын
@Geraduss Well Allen said that a large portion of the surface is covered in manufacturing complexes, so perhaps that's what they're supposed to represent.
@papapalps2415
28 күн бұрын
@@the_KutonarchCoruscant has large manufacturing facilities, yes; in much the same way a modern city has them. Which is to say, they exist, but will take up a tiny proportion of space relative to habitation.
@LispyJesus
Ай бұрын
Just watched your other video about Cori and how it’s built over so this is great timing
@Ugapiku
28 күн бұрын
To look weaker towards other Empires.
@Tyrannus_Gaming
Ай бұрын
Spacebattles, in a forum debate on the Imperium of Man vs The Empire, the population was concluded to be about 4 Quadrillion.
@stevenhanly4412
Ай бұрын
Population density isn't the limiting factor. Life support is. How many trillions can the artificial atmosphere generators support? How fast can they recycle CO2 into breathable oxygen? A quadrillion people generating CO2 will rapidly make areas of the undercity uninhabitable (likely starting with the lowest levels because CO2 is heavier than O2). How fast can their sewage processing plants clean up the water? How many ships do they have harvesting water from off planet sources and how many are taking sewage and "exporting" it to dump sites (or deep space)? Star Wars doesn't seem to have replicators for food production (which would allow them to turn sewage into food), so where are the calories coming from to feed a quadrillion people?
@g.williams2047
Ай бұрын
Many levels (probably most) are uninhabitable to humans (and a lot to anyone), a lot of levels are farming, water recycling and power, and a lot of shipments coming in every second across the entire world.
@russellharrell2747
Ай бұрын
The technology of Coruscant would be quite robust and constant maintenance by nearly countless droids and other automation would allow for more than enough life support for an arbitrarily large populace. Water, organic food stuffs and other resources would be recycled at close to 100% efficiency, and the constant interstellar traffic seen around the planet would easily supply any necessity or luxury.
@papapalps2415
28 күн бұрын
Star Wars doe actually have a replicator equivalent; they are amusingly, uncreatively called duplicators. There's also a similar derivative/possibly same(?) technology called molecular furnaces that amount to much the same thing. Even that aside, SW also has agri-worlds; a number of them are undoubtedly dedicated solely to feeding Coruscant's appetite. As for life support; given the population densities observed, evidently the only real answer is 'advanced enough it doesn't matter'.
@fierylightning3422
Ай бұрын
I wonder what the entire population of the known galaxy is then?
@cactus472
Ай бұрын
15:57- REY!😂
@ecbrown6151
Ай бұрын
Infinitely greater is a bold claim. 😮
@jmace2424
Ай бұрын
To see Star Wars as presented by disney you would think Tatooine was the most important planet in the galaxy 🤣
@amiedetherese
Ай бұрын
This is a topic I've wondered about
@Brunobi02
Ай бұрын
Oh no, we are talking about crowd sizes? 😂
@FernandoMartinez-pv1id
Ай бұрын
103k
@filipzietek5146
Ай бұрын
It's correct because Empire has just stopped feeding the under city, all cargo shipments to Coruscant are closely monitored so it's not possible to smuggle food for trillions of people.
@tavenstrickert9658
Ай бұрын
I can see it being very easy to do a census of the upper levels of coruscant, but once you start fitting down to the really lower levels for the planetary core levels, I'm sure it becomes very difficult if not even dangerous to conduct a proper census
@toothpickit2472
Ай бұрын
You have to also take into consideration that a lot of Coruscant is not habitable. It's estimated that only the first 10-15 layers are habitable. The further you go down the more and more rundown and it gets and the less and less people there are. That's just what I read. Could be wrong though.
@papapalps2415
28 күн бұрын
This isnt true, no, nor does it actually change anything in the slightest; most population estimates people do for the planet, in actual fact, are only taking into account the surface level anyways; the obscenely huge building complexes and other levels will just boost it.
@DonGivani
Ай бұрын
Kowloon Walled City was indeed something out of this world
@mr_e_monkey8836
Ай бұрын
Wow. I already never wanted to live on Coruscant, this only reinforces that opinion. 😯
@christophersayers598
11 күн бұрын
Personally I think the population went down massively after the rise of the empire. Most folk wouldn’t want to live under a totalitarian state , let alone live in its centre
@jayayerson8819
Ай бұрын
Don't defend landlords, Allen.
@GenerationTech
Ай бұрын
don't blindly hate try to understand and have empathy, often times its not the players but the game that is rigged
@mihirdhakan7042
8 күн бұрын
5127 levels multiplied by 5 meters would mean the top thousand levels were over 20 kilometers, how could you have enough oxygen at that level
@ThatGuyKazz
Ай бұрын
I don't think there is any in universe reason for why Coruscant's population is so far off. I think the real reason is because lots of people writing sci-fi can't really comprehend numbers like this and don't actually spend time doing the math to calculate what a reasonable number would really be. Even in Warhammer 40k which is the biggest of any of the major Sci-Fi IPs is comically under populated for a galaxy spanning civilization.
@wyatthale3861
Ай бұрын
Earth isn't too overpopulated in terms of resources, space, and the logistics of food and resource distribution but it is in terms of our ecosystems. The main problem caused by overpopulation (other than pollution and global warming) is our massively excessive land use that causes destruction of huge swathes of our ecosystems and is causing a mass extinction of most species that take place over the next several decades. So while logistically things aren't too bad, environmentally its a huge disaster and that's the main reason I think people keep saying our planet is overpopulated because we're crowding out the space and destroying the habitats of every other species in the process. In the Star Wars universe, people on Coruscant at some point basically said "F**k the planet!" and decided to replace natural systems with industrial ones just for profit. It's amazing that the Jedi decided to have their main temple there since Coruscant despite it being the political and economic center of the galaxy. The planet has no ecosystems and is essentially a dead world making it mostly cut off from the Living Force. In the real world, if we don't destroy ourselves in the process there is a real possibility that over hundreds or thousands of years we could turn Earth into a real life Coruscant. Maybe that's one the things George Lucas had mind when making Coruscant a city planet, to warn us about we might have to look forward to if we don't change our ways a planet lifeless aside from the people, their pets and zoo animals and where most of the population lives a pretty s****y life in the best of times and a way worse one in the worst of times. We should all beware our civilization's current course and do everything we can to change it for ourselves and our planet.
@x--.
27 күн бұрын
I just don't believe this is statistically true about Earth. There seems to be a common belief that we are overpopulated but it fails to understand the true scale of the planet and that people like to live in cities. Start to eliminate unnecessary food waste, let more people live in the cities by providing affordable housing and eliminate excessive carbon emissions and it certainly seems like Earth can sustain the 8-billion. Especially if you consider that the more educated a population gets, the fewer children they have.
@smartass0124
Ай бұрын
More important then the capitol of everything legal is the capitol of everything illegal 2 most important most visited planets
@PauxloE
26 күн бұрын
→ Is there even a concept of "surface" here? What counts as surface? Everything from where you can see the sky? → Shouldn't you be able to get a somewhat reliable estimation of population by the amount of food imported?
@scirrhia_kruden
Ай бұрын
I think too-large numbers just sound unreal. It's like how people feel as if actual randomness isn't random. For actually random music shuffling for instance, occasionally songs will repeat or sequential songs will play sequentially. This doesn't FEEL random, and so shuffling algorithms include constraints to prevent that.
@matthewwatkins7473
Ай бұрын
The funny thing about randomness is that it's not a naturally occurring phenomena. It's a mathematical notion, a piece of algebra often constrained by the range of numbers that can be produced.
@Sadenaike1
17 күн бұрын
You realise it could be anything when this is sci-fi not reality
@Kamfys
13 күн бұрын
bros using a buzzword to deny information given by the creators thats wild
@Grizabeebles
Ай бұрын
Armies in Star Wars are tiny by earth Standards. 1-2% of a planet's total population, tops. Even at those tiny numbers, Couruscant has enough people to conquer the rest of the Galaxy. Easily.
@magnagazoo4863
Ай бұрын
If all or most the food is imported...You can get really close number by looking at the inputs.
@julianbashir8277
Ай бұрын
Why did I click on this video thinking it was some serious topic?
@ivanbro1208
25 күн бұрын
I would never live in coruscant, i would just start a new life in some farming colony
@bradleypotts9865
Ай бұрын
So, the next important question... How did they feed all these people? It's not like Star Wars has replicators.
@tavenstrickert9658
Ай бұрын
Well I mean it does help that you have not even just a planetary logistics Network but a galactic logistics Network. There are many worlds that are literally just dedicated to farming known as agriworlds like Chandrilla.
@FernandoMartinez-pv1id
Ай бұрын
Trade between planets.
@tarnocdoino3857
Ай бұрын
The answer is food. How much food could be produced on the planet and how much is brought in daily? That’s the answer.
@Speedster___
Ай бұрын
Humans inhabit ~2%of Earths surface and say you build out earth so it’s 10billion. 500billion for earth. Coruscant has 5000 floors but say each floor has 200billion due to less tall buildings and such. Thats ~quadrillion sentients plus or minus a few billion
@x--.
27 күн бұрын
For what it's worth: *A census literally means counting everyone; that's the whole point* - And last I researched the Census data was _not_ used to put people in internment camps (Why bother? You have property records, driver's licenses, neighbors and good ol' fashioned racism). Though there was concern census records were used by the FBI to monitor Japanese people on the east coast (this seems credible to me). So the Census Bureau of the US does use statistical models to estimate the accuracy of their census _and_ estimate population using samples during the intervening years but, yeah, a census is meant to count every single person.
@datastorm75
Ай бұрын
In the US households are invited to participate in the census... Yes..."invited"...
@celdur4635
Ай бұрын
Maybe the pop calculation is not wrong Simply Couruscant has much, much more automated industry and produces a TON of goods.
@papapalps2415
28 күн бұрын
This is utterly at odds with the movies and every description of the planet in all of SW.
@shadowgaminghd1115
Ай бұрын
Video idea, what would happen if the Death Star destroyed coruscant
@RonCecchetti
14 күн бұрын
You know there's like people living in the walls 😂
@mekon1971
Ай бұрын
There wasn't an "income tax" in the United States until 1909.
@cnoyes72
Ай бұрын
The first income tax in the US was implemented during the Civil War. Maybe you were thinking of the 16th Amendment (though that was ratified in 1913)
@FernandoMartinez-pv1id
Ай бұрын
It was originally only for the rich
@claymclaren5788
Ай бұрын
was there property tax
@Viltzu-hk5wh
Ай бұрын
YEAAAA CORUSCANT LOORE! Love criminal underworld and planet lore. Coruscant and the criminal underworld are the definition of underutilized. Wish we had actual good games, movies, shows about both.
@GoranXII
Ай бұрын
I've raised this issue a few times in various videos.
@rickjames5998
Ай бұрын
when did it lie?
@arnonymius
Ай бұрын
I don't see how the number could be so high as all these people would still have to be fed. They can't be fed from imports, like the surface dwellers, because it would show in the import statistics. So they have to grow their own food in an underground city without rain, sunlight, soil or fresh air. And even if you have access to some super-lichen or something that just doesn't work. So while the videos number of surface dwellers is probably more realistic than canon I can only speculate that we always see the few population centers and not the vast stretches of ghost towns/super-lichen farms when we visit the Coruscant undercity in SW.
@papapalps2415
28 күн бұрын
This is absurd, naturally, and utterly inconsistent with how the planet is described, shown, and otherwise depicted in all of the franchise.
@russellharrell2747
Ай бұрын
If you take the population density of NYC (roughly 30k per square mile) and spread that over the entire earth (including oceans) you get roughly 6 trillion. That was just rough numbers. Density on Coruscant would have a significant vertical component with cubic miles (or kilometers) being relevant given the presumed several mile depth of the city-scape on that planet.
@baystated
Ай бұрын
How much must Rex charge for meals when his diner is on the surface getting tons of sunlight? If I have to ask, does it mean I can't afford it?
@ChrisBrown-iu8ii
28 күн бұрын
If the levels are open to the surface I wonder what the atmospheric pressure is on the bottom levels?
@Loneguy22
Ай бұрын
This and your other videos remind me of a thought I've had concerning the Star Wars universe. That thought is that there is nothing whatsoever that could induce me to live on Coruscant. I'll stick to worlds like Naboo or Lothal.
@weeg2141
Ай бұрын
Needs a show or game or movie about courasant lower levels
@MrAllen-cc6jh
Ай бұрын
Star Wars has had a wide range of scaling problems throughout its history... Everything from just a few thousand soldiers conquering and occupying an entire planet to massively disproportionate costs of food and other basic commodities vs starships. They're generally pretty good about keeping related items in the same ballpark - for example the proportionate cost difference between an X-Wing and a CR90 Corvette is almost identical to that of an F-18 and a US Navy Destroyer, but when you factor in the cost of snack foods in star wars, suddenly that X-Wing only costs about as much as a junkyard jalopy by comparison, which means even the rebel alliance should've had no excuse to not have tens of thousands of starfighters. There are also problems like singular CIS ships having more troops on them than the entire Grand Army of the Republic, which could be easily addressed by just showing planetary security forces playing a much bigger role in the Clone Wars, but SW, especially under Disney, is more about selling children's toys than making a coherent story and universe, and treats world building details like meaningless throwaway lines.
@valdotorg
Ай бұрын
I get the feeling most planets in Star Wars only have a few major population centers centered around the locations of valuable resources, so conquering a planet isn’t as difficult as it sounds. When it’s just as easy to fly to another planet, especially within the same solar system, as it is to go to the other side of the same planet, occupying the whole rock isn’t as important.
@g.williams2047
Ай бұрын
Star Wars actually has a pretty decent scale for most battles, as most planets are very undeveloped and by capturing a few points, you essentially control the entire world.
@marsangamer3685
7 күн бұрын
I think they could have just counted 1 mega hole or whatever they called it
@AudieHolland
26 күн бұрын
Speaking about cemeteries... Where do they keep their dead? Probably all are cremated and the energy created used to benefit the living.
@Uberdude6666
Ай бұрын
So that ancient, universal truth also holds true in the Star Wars-galaxy: If you want nice, affordable living, just don't live in the capital
@matthewflanagan9097
Ай бұрын
I've always wondered how people breath on Coruscant. The lower levels the air would be so polluted they would be unbreathable and the upper most levels are than mountains so Oxygen would be less, literally in the "death zone". I'm sure the answer will be that they have machines that allow them to breath or control the atmospherics or something like, I'd like to see a video on that.
@jamesbodnarchuk3322
Ай бұрын
I think there is a Sasquatch behind you Allen?!😅
@AlindBack
Ай бұрын
I, too, recently watched WesHammer's video on what it's like to live on Terra.
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