Do you guys enjoy the odd "Non Railway" video? NB... As per the description, apologies for the glare on this video in places. An extremely bright day with various ND filters used!
@Jayenkai
4 жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying all the history on KZitem, lately. Railway or otherwise! More please!!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jayenkai thanks James.
@StephenWilliams
4 жыл бұрын
Most definitely.
@bobingram6912
4 жыл бұрын
100% yes 👍 These little gems of local history are an added bonus, just keep 'em coming!!!!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@bobingram6912 thanks Bob.
@thomasmann9216
4 жыл бұрын
The Roman road deviates because there was a Tesco on that site and they couldn't get permission to build through the car park.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Best answer yet!
@greatbritishentertainmentl5636
4 жыл бұрын
I thought it was because the Lord of the Manor didn't want "foreigners" on his land, but the Tesco's answer is much better - lol!
@jamesrivis620
4 жыл бұрын
Thomas Mann Bloody hilarious.
@zeberdee1972
4 жыл бұрын
Or was it because the local village didn't want the noise from the Roman Road , so they petitioned to their local councillor who was big in Rome you know . And because of noise abatement and the councillor that's big in Rome , they had divert around !!!! . Not in my back yard was the chant the jubilant villagers shouted and that's where the saying comes from :-) .
@davidgiles9843
4 жыл бұрын
not quite true, evidenced by the fact it is not an impassable one way system with an unavoidable bus lane resulting in a fine
@iainjones537
4 жыл бұрын
The term road only came about in the 1600s (rode). The Romans would have referred to a road as a via (way), with the term street coming from strata (plural of stratum), as streets were made of layers to form the pavement (as in metalled road, not a sidewalk).
@johnlameelk5339
4 жыл бұрын
There are age old paths in North America, some likely as old as 4-5K years. These were not hunting paths, but destination roads. One of the more famous is the called the War Path. It is located in the southern Appalachian mountains. The name was bestowed by European settlers because it was the autobahn of its day. This was a trade route. The forests are very thick, even yet, and travel for any prolonged period required a good road. And, it was a way to move warriors to the general area of expected conflict, especially in the time of European-Indigenous conflicts. Most of the old 'trace' has disappeared under the desire of modernization. Part of it is yet in use, being incorporated in what is now the famous Appalachian trail. I appreciated your video. At 70, it's doubtful I'll have the chance to explore your land, (oh how time flies), but you young folks may one day get to see the beauty of my people's past roadways. Thank you.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing John. North America is probably a step to far for us at the moment but one day, never say never.
@ajseuol1864
4 жыл бұрын
John Lame Elk yeah there are. But they're all underground.
@rutabagasteu
4 жыл бұрын
Satellites using infrared cameras found footpaths walked by the Anazasi in New Mexico. On the ground they aren't noticable.
@ChrisinOSMS
4 жыл бұрын
The Natchez Trace is another that was used by the First Americans and later by European immigrants between the Mississippi River at Natchez and Tennessee near Nashville.
@essr4580
4 жыл бұрын
The great minquas road in PA is another one
@stubeedoo8259
4 жыл бұрын
I spent the first 20-odd years of my life around this area. I visited Chute Causeway many times, but never knew most of what you told us here. I heard of Fosbury hillfort, but never went. Thank you both for filling-in a blank for me.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Well you were one step closer than us as we didn't even know the Hill Fort existed until we started looking at the area. 👍👍
@DMC888
4 жыл бұрын
The Whitewicks if you’re up there again, take a look at the oak(?) trees around the summit entrance. People have been carving their names into those trees for a very long time.
@happy_dad4211
4 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine what archeologists will say in 3,000 years when they unearth the ten thousand odd roundabouts in the UK?
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Especially Swindon!
@allangibson8494
4 жыл бұрын
Places of Worship? (Usual description of items in the "we don't know" category...)
@bigbadjohn10
4 жыл бұрын
Ritual! The standard approach when archeologists can not work out what they are for.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@bigbadjohn10 yup!
@willtricks9432
4 жыл бұрын
" These things work without power, are common sense, first come first served, easily constructed, are the same shape as the Sun/Moon, allow use of sword arm if taken on the right. QED early man was smarter than us in our Dronechas'e for Am/Bay. Cheers
@klawzie
4 жыл бұрын
Subbing on the strength of this video alone. I'm not super into railways, specifically, but I have a general interest in travel, history, and abandoned places. Off to check out the rest of the channel. I'm sure I'll find a lot to enjoy! Hope you have a lovely holiday season!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Ah wonderful. Thank you. You'll definitely enjoy next Wednesdays video that we have lined up!
@AkX1353
4 жыл бұрын
KZitem algorithms brought me here. In the States, at least in the Midwest, there is pavement on top of the old Indian trails. You always know because of the twist and turns. Often a major highway runs parallel a couple miles away. They are often called trace. Wayne Trace, wich runs North South trough Fort Wayne Indiana, is called Leesburg Road North of town. I grew up one mile East on a hill top which afforded Native Americans a good campground. Close and high enough to monter the trace, but not to close. Modern US 30 is 1/2 mile further East. The original Lincoln Highway, (the first coast to coast highway) is 1/2 mile further East. The trace roughly folows the Eastern Continental Dived. Which is why the trace and the fort are there. It was a choke point. P.S. looking at the name of your channel again, I realized that I forgot to mention Fort Wayne is also called Summit City, which comes from the railroads. It was the highest point between the two Continental mountain ranges.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you are here John. Thanks for sharing your local info.
@anvilbrunner.2013
4 жыл бұрын
I love to find the old sunken roads. There are some corkers here in N.E Derby's but when i lived in Tyrone & Fermanagh they were undamaged. Thorn bush avenues, sheltered & hidden. Leading to Faery ring settlements on hillocks, sometime's to a crannog. The thorn bush is rarely cut down in Ireland so the ring settlement's were often still henged in. A haven for small birds & Ulster farmers shoot all carrion & hawks. You could never be bored there if ancient history is your interest.
@ShionWinkler
4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see soil cores from the bottom of that valley, I wonder if it was flooded in Roman times, it would give them good reason to go around.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
That's definitely a possibility, though it's a dry valley now, who's to say it always was.
@fionaanderson5796
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and cores from the track and hedgerow at Scots Poor would be amazing. They could possibly tell how long the track was in use, if it had periods of abandonment and maybe even how much traffic it carried during different eras.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@fionaanderson5796 need to get into this even more, a definite fascination of late.
@RonSeymour1
4 жыл бұрын
I suspect that there was a family of protected newts in its path.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Well there is a thought.
@wilhelmdenninghaus421
4 жыл бұрын
@ Ron Seymor: Whow, early green Romans!
@valiroime
4 жыл бұрын
Nah, it was an older person who wouldn’t sell out to developers. They built the road around their hovel.
@jackprier7727
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the feel/sight of the actual well-used trackways. This brings to life the sense of ancient times more than than just the exploration of a site or two.
@mistywolf312
4 жыл бұрын
Roman surveyor : we found a good way over the top! Roman general : I am not marching an army over that! Roman surveyor : but it won't be straight! Roman General : who is paying you? Roman surveyor : curved is good, it will make a change!
@gregwarner3753
4 жыл бұрын
That dialog has and will be heard forever and a day.
@thebooths7024
4 жыл бұрын
Football
@highpath4776
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe he had is fingernail sticking out beyond the ruler edge.
@spookerd
4 жыл бұрын
Certainly one of the more interesting videos I've had pop up in my recommendations on KZitem in awhile.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Pleased to hear it!
@annepegum3351
4 жыл бұрын
We have friends who used to live in the Berkshire village of Inkpen - I'd never heard of a Way with the same name. Time for a bit of online research of my own !! Cheers for another interesting video guys. And yes more please from time to time.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Stephen. Driven through it many times myself but never heard of the way either. In fact there was very little online until we found THE BOOK.
@nigelpeppin1219
4 жыл бұрын
Used to be a good pub there back in the '70s.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@nigelpeppin1219 yes and the eighties. I'm sure I remember going there as a kid
@danny2me70
2 жыл бұрын
i subscribed to your channel when you got together with martin zero and your videos are amazing like the one im watching now ,saxon roads 3 or 4 thousand years old thats amazing and hard to get my head around ,keep up the great vlogs .
@simonballard8346
4 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your latest non-railway video very much. Most interesting part of Hampshire. Thanks very much, as always.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Simon.
@glennchartrand5411
4 жыл бұрын
It looks like they "improved" an existing local road instead of making a new road. Agricultural roads tend to follow the terrain because: 1. Carts and Wagons need to be level side to side or they can roll over over. 2. There is a limit to the gradient a loaded person or animal can manage, and steep roads over time can turn into stream beds because of erosion So farm roads up until the 1800's tended to wind around avoiding steep gradients and almost always facing into the direction of the slope. Before the industrial revolution it took an insane amount of labor to create a straight road in rolling terrain. ( Apparently the Romans had a brief period of sanity when this road was made. )
@MiguelMaia
4 жыл бұрын
not a "brief period" of sanity for Ronans. it was their engineering.
@vagabondwastrel2361
4 жыл бұрын
I would lay it more that they didn't have the manpowerand the return on investment just wasn't enough to bother with.
@glennchartrand5411
4 жыл бұрын
@@daviddou1408 facing into the direction of the slope can be going up or down it.
@stephengiles2873
4 жыл бұрын
Another breath taking episode. Doesn't matter the subject the enthusiasm is gripping to discover more. Crack on with the next episode
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stephen. Will do!
@Mr1990hjc
4 жыл бұрын
The ground level images of that broad, deep "valley" helps me to see why no-one would want to be caught down there by a hostile group, its a X,000 year old ambush waiting to happen ! The Romans were probably here before Boudica so, is it possible that this was done because of some earlier battle, or is it just Roman military prudence ?
@AnthonyIlstonJones
4 жыл бұрын
To be fair they DID have a lot of experience, and written records of most of it. But you never know...
@tonymaries1652
4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating and nicely produced video about a part of the country I drive across twice a week and is not very far from where I live. The Fosse Way, a major Roman road from Lincoln to Somerset is ramrod straight where it can be, but also curves where it has to. Where it has become the A367 to Bath there are some wonderfully engineered sections at Nettlebridge and Dunkerton, where it takes a really graceful line up quite a steep hill, much like so many of the old Roman roads in France. In other places it has been reduced to a mere muddy track, as at Beacon Hill just south of Oakhill. There it is just too steep for wheeled vehicles and the modern road takes a more gentle path about half a mile further west. The Victorian Ordnance Survey large scale maps are wonderful and available on the National Library of Scotland's website (yes, all of England as well as Scotland). But both of you should be talking through it. Look forward to seeing some more.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Tony. Thanks for sharing. Lots more to come like this one!
@alanprice7584
4 жыл бұрын
History tells us the Romans preferred to steer clear of valleys and woodland, experience taught them high or open ground was the best route for their roads.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, I am just left wondering why such an immediate deviation. Why not straighten the approach out that leads up to it.
@R.Ratkus
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick maybe it was some last minute decision/change suggested by some supervisor of the road
@suokkos
4 жыл бұрын
@mPky1 , Video said there is a big hill. Originally Romans used to built straight lines over steep hills but they later learned going longer route made travel faster if inclination was kept low enough. I guess they hadn't planed the detour before starting the construction. This would potentially result to plan which follows straight line as much as possible but then detour happens when they met too steep inclination.
@harleancarpenter8043
4 жыл бұрын
The deviation was to avoid having to build ye olde Roman Railway tunnel, seriously. Great fun you two, and always good to learn something new
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Now that would have been a massive tunnel!
@rodfleck
3 жыл бұрын
Just found the channel and ok, I am hooked. Subscribed and looking forward to watching more and more of this.
@pwhitewick
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rod. Looooads to watch.
@doccops
Жыл бұрын
Super interesting like most of your videos. I have used the byway from Scot's Poor hundreds of times with no clue there was an ancient track right next to it. Great stuff :)
@vincebagusauskas278
4 жыл бұрын
One thing I note from the old maps when I follow your routes, is the number of old Roman villas ruins. Try using the Lidar filter to see if there are still any footing to be seen.
@educsfisher1
3 жыл бұрын
Really like this. We don't always have the time (or with current restrictions) the opportunity to visit such places. Thank you guys for sharing some of England's hidden history. More please.
@lindamccaughey8800
4 жыл бұрын
That was absolutely fantastic. Beautiful countryside. Loved the history too. Well done
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Linda. Glad you enjoyed it.
@stephentuthill4598
4 жыл бұрын
What is remarkable is how quickly nature reclaims land, and so how fast things vanish that were once thought permanent.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Yup these walks are always tricky in the summer months as well.
@surisuri8993
4 жыл бұрын
It is so important the work you guys are doing. This knowledge is otherwise going to be lost. Thank you so much for your incredible work.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Suri. Very kind words.
@paulebberson4884
4 жыл бұрын
What makes you so sure You Tube won't lose it? I love (not) the total reliance on technology.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@paulebberson4884 panic not, we have all the files saved on more than one hard drive in different locations, plus what you see in the videos is around 2% of what was actually filmed. 👍
@1toppotter987
4 жыл бұрын
All your videos are enjoyable, on all your subjects and interests, but mostly the time you give to replying to comments by subscribers!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
No idea what you mean, we don't reply to anyone. 😳
@itriedmany
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Loved being there with you!
@HobbiesAndSunshine
4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant stuff, thanks Paul & Rebecca
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michaela.
@Iksar101
4 жыл бұрын
Stumbled upon this by accident, really good vid, instant sub.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Ah thank you, very kind.
@CallingAllStations
4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, and something a little different, nothing wrong with that!
@randomvintagefilm273
3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE following ancient roads. We don't have anything like you do but I hope one day to come to England.
@davekirwin
4 жыл бұрын
That looked exhausting! Interesting road deviation. Good stuff P&R.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Exhausting was an understatement! In wellies. I nearly died.
@danielbarrows7144
3 жыл бұрын
Loved Rebecca's laughter had to subscribe!☺️ the glare in the camera was from its trying to figure out what the bright thing was in the sky 🌞 Great video and it wasn't raining ☔️ lol 😂
@SeaScoutDan
4 жыл бұрын
I had learned that initially (near Rome) Romana's built their roads straight up hillsides and expected their soldiers to man up. Later ( like when expanded into England) they realized detour would be faster, and let the supply carts keep up. You hiked straight up the hill and were winded. Try doing that carrying a sword and shield, and get ambushed by a squad just at the top of the hill.
@I_Don_t_want_a_handle
4 жыл бұрын
Not quite. The Romans subjugated the Celts by taking their hill forts by storm. They were more than capable of running up steep slopes and fighting and winning at the top. However, no commander worth his salt would march his unit up a hill without securing the top first or at least scouting it. The Romans were certainly worth their salt. They would know what was ahead and behind them on the road, especially if the auxiliary cavalry were with them. The more likely explanation is that either the slope was too steep for the logistics or the valley floor was not suitable for a road.
@allmendoubt4784
4 жыл бұрын
Nah, ideas too romantic - early Roman Britain was bogs n woods which is why they hated it, lost repeatedly and took 200 years to subjugate the locals - if they ever really did...Romano-Celtics set about draining the valleys for livestock.
@jetmanuk3556
4 жыл бұрын
Tbh it was your landscape history (non railway!) videos that first got me interested in your channel, so this video is right up my street (pardon the pun!) I’ve always pointed out ‘old roads’ as we drive along, much to the non-amusement of my wife! Now that I’ve been subscribed to your channel for a while, I’ve watched through your back catalogue, and have only got a couple more videos to watch (saving them as long as possible, as they’re all so good!) Many thanks to you both for many hours of decent entertainment! Keep up the great work!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, anything like this ticks all my boxes for sure. As you suggest 'Landscape History' is rapidly becoming an obsession.
@flightimage845
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Paul and Rebecca. Very informative, really well edited and I love your enthusiasm! Keep them coming - so easy to hit the subscribe button!
@SuperDipMonster
4 жыл бұрын
We'll just step past this hedge... ...and we've just found an ancient pathway. Stories, everywhere.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Oh yes
@peterw2845
4 жыл бұрын
I would watch a whitewick video about anything , whitewicks are the new cool 😀👍
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
...... 😂 Works for us! Cheers Peter.
@Mika_Storm
4 жыл бұрын
That's super interesting, I had no idea you could still find that clear of a traces of old roads or tracks that far back
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael. Me neither. We want to explore that tramway more.
@justvin7214
4 жыл бұрын
Loving your map mysteries series, trains aren't really my thing but I'm very interested in forgotten history so I've started watching those too. I found your channel from the A303 vids, I worked on the stretch from Andover to Amesbury when it was being changed to dual carriageway. I have a few stories of my time there but only one history related one, unfortunately it's not ancient history and it's still covered by the Official Secrets Act. Thank you for the vids they are very interesting and entertaining.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting Vin. Yup we definitely don't want just railway followers. Hoping the videos hit a cord with anyone that's interested in random history.
@irishstew5867
4 жыл бұрын
That, is, what is called, an inverted T-wave! I had a huge one for over 30 years, then I dropped dead, came back and the inverted T-wave was gone!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Clever.... I see what you did there.
@irishstew5867
4 жыл бұрын
Gee, and I always thought youngsters believed I was just a demented old geezer. Glad you are smart enough to "understand" my joke. But, my comment is a real story. Thank you!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@irishstew5867 I didn't doubt that for a second.
@RetroRatz
4 жыл бұрын
We also love exploring. You are in a beautiful area, not far from us. Keep exploring, happy travels 😊📹
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Yup it is a really beautiful landscape here.
@dogpaw775
4 жыл бұрын
always a sign of the serious hiker and outdoors type; wellingtons and costa coffee in hand ;)
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Ooooh yes. That's us.
@johntyjp
4 жыл бұрын
I d ve collapsed exhausted as well after that walk 🙄 Nice vid of the country side round there!!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
I'm.pretty sure I was close to death after that!
@davie941
4 жыл бұрын
hey paul and rebecca , i think the roman's built a pub just before it went off track lol , yes i enjoyed this non railway video , i think it was cool :) , great stuff :)
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Davie. Thanks for that. Glad you enjoyed it.
@jackdarby3953
4 жыл бұрын
There is a similar kink in Stane Street (A24), between Billingshurst and Slinfold, just west of Horsham. It looks like the road builders thought "I'm not going up that hill"!
@TheLowerman
4 жыл бұрын
Super video guys! Love all the history lessons that come with the videos. Keep up the great work.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍👍
@charlesroberts2166
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr & Mrs ;-) ... Although I have an interest in the old railway systems, I find this type of video far more interesting & informative. More please ... lots more!! :-)
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Charles.
@charlesroberts2166
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick ... You are more than welcome. Credit where credit is due & I appreciate all the work that goes into making the videos (hours editing etc.). Both of you are 'naturals' ;-)
@RichardWells1
4 жыл бұрын
Always fascinating to explore why people from history did what they did! Romans built in straight sections but they took account of the terrain and would go around features if it was easier to do so. (That's from my Roman history expert! But you probably knew this anyway!) A really interesting video ... as always. Thank you.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Richard. These old trackways and routes are becoming a fascination for us!
@stephenfraser8742
4 жыл бұрын
we have something similar in Warwickshire where the Fosse Way for several miles makes a bee-line towards Brinklow before having to veer off around a motte and bailey castle which,presumably,was previously an iron age fort.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
That does sound very similar. I'll check it out.
@jonathanbeale3978
4 жыл бұрын
I am here from Geoff and Vicky’s page. Loving these videos👍
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Welcome Jonathan, glad you are enjoying the videos. Generally once a week on a Wednesday.
@johnmurray4918
4 жыл бұрын
Just a thought; it is possible that in 700 BC the valley you are looking at today, was simply a large lake at that time. If so, this would explain the curve in the road. Nice video and thank you for taking the time to show us.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you John. I guess it could have been, or as some have suggested, very marshy. I'm sure there must be ways to find out?
@MervynPartin
4 жыл бұрын
Several years ago, one episode of the television comedy series "Chelmsford 123" covered a similar topic, but in that case the Romans were forced to deviate around Romford due to the presence of a brothel run by the local British chieftain (Rory McGrath) and the road was then called the "Romford Pass-by"
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Rory McGrath. Well that sounds about right!
@peternoyce9350
4 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Thanks Paul and Rebecca!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure Peter.
@tinkertime7165
4 жыл бұрын
Great info on what is right on our doorstep. I did not k ow about the hill fort. You could do something about Combe Gibbet, that whole area and the Chutes are kind of spooky.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
We didn't know it was there either, and such a significant size too. We will indeed do some more from here as time goes on.
@Sooty
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Sweep said the reason the Roman road had a deviation in their road building is because they never had Specsavers
@schwadevivre4158
4 жыл бұрын
Looking at the contour lines from where the road in the south approaches the valley there is a drop of 60 - 80 m before it rises 100m to Haydown. Although the ground looks to be on chalk there may well have been a damn great marsh in that valley. It may even be that it fed the River Swift which appears near the Crown Inn, Upton
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Yup never considered that. It's supposed to be a dry valley, but for how long I've no idea.
@RogerB747
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick It definitely feeds the Swift which breaks at Upton and sometimes much higher. The river is underground until Upton normally, cutting through chalk. Depending on how much water is stored in the chalk the valley, and particularly further back at Hippenscombe will depend on how early the winter bourne springs will flow and how high up the valley. Here is Vernham Dean when flooding last got bad.. This is 2013 kzitem.info/news/bejne/kqWIv6Ookmiqkn4 All this is ground water rising with the water table as springs break higher and higher as the winter rain fills the chalk sponge.
@craigmooring2091
4 жыл бұрын
I find the ancient roadways much more interesting than the comparatively recent but interesting abandoned railways.
@murrayfranklyn84
4 жыл бұрын
Great video Paul and Rebecca, love watching scenery from UK.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Murray.
@dinopulizzi8481
4 жыл бұрын
10-16-19 Just Love Your Channel ! Vermilion , Ohio on the shores of Lake Erie , God Bless !
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Ah thanks Dino. Much appreciated.
@derekr54
4 жыл бұрын
A very enjoyable video I look forward to watching more.
@highpath4776
4 жыл бұрын
They Knew a Crooked Man who lived in a Crooked House, and He had a Crooked Style, and Him and his Crooked Cat walked a Crooked Mile, and hence the deviation.
@andrewmackie4720
4 жыл бұрын
Have really enjoyed your travels and information on railway lines and old roads and rrackways. Would love to be able to see them in book or pamplet form. I especially loved the Forest of Dean and Severn videos.
@leifvejby8023
4 жыл бұрын
Wish i could give you two likes, one for the very informative video, and one for your wonderful language. Your language wins the like today, congrats!!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Not sure what you mean by language but I'm taking it as a win. 👍👍
@leifvejby8023
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick Absolutely a win! If I say dialect, is that better? ^_^
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@leifvejby8023 ahhhh. Ok that makes sense. Yes, grew up in a London overspill town so I appear to have taken on board a little what is referenced "Cockney".
@leifvejby8023
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick That's it, and way more interesting than plain boring English, whatever that is!
@Crepello100
4 жыл бұрын
It's a fabulous area for it's archaeology, long distance views and pretty countryside. As I understand it the Roman road re-used existing prehistoric ridgeways throughout it's deviation. They did though 'romanize' at least parts of them which is why the current road past Little Down is a series of short straights.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, yup I had read that the used pre existing routes especially "Ridgeway's".
@faithless3099
4 жыл бұрын
how can 59 idiots dislike this video, its just a video about a roman road in England and a bit of history of the area. The two of them seem likeable and he speaks well on the subject matter
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very kind. Yup there is always a few!
@bobayotte2940
4 жыл бұрын
What have the Romans ever done for us?
@raypurchase801
4 жыл бұрын
I demand reparations from Italy because of the illegal invasion and subjugation of Britannia in the years following 50 AD. I remain traumatised. Ancient British Druid Lives Matter.
@littlebag123
4 жыл бұрын
Well the roads the baths the waterways and it’s safe to walk in the streets now. Yes yes besides the roads the baths the sewers the nice streets. What av the Romans dun fr us.
@wilhelmdenninghaus421
4 жыл бұрын
@@littlebag123 : Don't forget: they brought the Mafia too.
@bobayotte2940
4 жыл бұрын
@@littlebag123 watch "The Life of Brian " Monty python.
@littlebag123
4 жыл бұрын
Eeeez not the messiah eeez a very naughty boy now piss off.
@glynluff2595
4 жыл бұрын
Something that has not changed in infantrymen is that they are still limited to approximately 60 lbs load. Average daily march for Roman 12 miles forced march 24 miles. Build marching camp at end of it or maybe fight battle or skirmish. Hard beggars weren’t they?
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Very much so!
@marcuslee8789
4 жыл бұрын
A very interesting video about one of my favourite places, thank you Paul and Rebecca; it's nice to learn some new things also.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
I've hit 43mph on that hit Marcus. (Alas I was younger and a lot less wise!).
@marcuslee8789
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick ?
@marcuslee8789
4 жыл бұрын
Ah - (Conhault) "hill" and on the bike you mean I take it - that would be frightening!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@marcuslee8789 sorry. Yes "Hill". As I say, about aged 16!.... You'd not get me over 15mph today!
@rialobran
4 жыл бұрын
Sunken roads are known as 'Holloways', that one in the hedge would have been used until comparatively recently as it is still fairly deep.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. So why so deep? Wear or actually dug?
@rialobran
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick Mostly wear and weather over thousands of years, there are some good Holloways on the Ridgeway and in Dorset and the far west
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@rialobran thank you. I was under the impression that clans etc had a responsible (as much as could be) to maintain their section and keep the routes clear.
@rialobran
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick It's possible, but I'd argue that's a post Roman concept when roads were 'built' (rather than just recognised paths or track ways) and commerce was an important factor. Besides who'd maintain a road by making it deeper and more likely to flood than to fill in potholes? (Aside from modern councils) By strange coincidence I made this almost 12 months to the day, it's part of the Lych Way that runs across western Dartmoor, an 800 year old track that people used to transport their dead along. kzitem.info/news/bejne/pXmKvqiZo6GijGk
@ronaldderooij1774
4 жыл бұрын
Damn, the only time I was in rural England (outside London) I was staying in Andover. Visited Bath and saw whith horses in the landscape, but I should have done more research. I will not go back to the UK as I am not able to travel anymore (because of early old age problems and I discovered back then that I cannot drive on the wrong side of the road).
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Ah that's a shame to hear. Perhaps you can enjoy the videos and help bring back some wrong side of the road memories
@smiffy1947
4 жыл бұрын
As a matter of interest, the local Wiltshire pronunciation of “Mildenhall” near Marlborough is “ My-n-all”, unlike Mildenhall in Suffolk which is pronounced as written. I also made several visits to Fosbury camp in the 1980’s and 90’s with parties of schoolchildren, when we stayed at the former field studies residential centre at the old school in Oxenwood - it was a good way of wearing them out so we got a good nights sleep after the first day!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Very odd indeed!
@smiffy1947
4 жыл бұрын
The Whitewicks You are corrrect! The old Wiltshire dialect is rather odd, and sadly it is dying out rapidly, if not already gone out of use. My grandmother spoke it so much that when I was first married I used to have to translate it so that my wife could understand her!
@johnmanley5543
4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the title work for the properties used the old roads or paths as boundaries, thus helping to keep their locations somewhat intact? I'd imagine that if the Roman road were to be used for cart trafic, they would want uniform gradients. Great video! very interesting!
@Davemc1708
4 жыл бұрын
Why are you walking around with a Costa in the middle of nowhere?. Ha...love the channel !!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
I take at least an hour to start drinking my coffee... 😉
@Ken15643
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thank you for posting this.
@stanleydenning
4 жыл бұрын
I am an American and proud of it. But, I have to say this.... I find it amazing that you can walk on a path that was made by Romans two thousand years ago. Here in the US. Anything ancient has been either forgotten or covered over with concrete or asphalt. It's sad how Americans cast away history. I feel ashamed in a way. But, America doesn't have the history you have there. On another note. I notice the bond you have with your wife. super cool that you can share the same interest. You are a lucky man.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Stanley, thanks for sharing your thoughts. And naturally I agree, I am a very lucky man!
@monkeymox2544
4 жыл бұрын
That's not quite true - you guys have examples of Native American structures at least as old as Roman Roads - I once read about some very large man-made mounds in North America which are over 2,000 years old. They should absolutely be treasured. I know there's probably a sense of disconnect from structures like that, because most modern Americans are of European descent, but they're still part of your national heritage.
@davidcutts2650
4 жыл бұрын
An interesting fact filled bit of history. Thanks to you both.👍👍😎
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Cheers David. Always a pleasure
@JourneywithSmee
4 жыл бұрын
The A15 in Lincolnshire by RAF Scampton is straight from Lincoln to Scunthorpe, except a bend next to the base. The rest of some 25 miles is straight.
@holdfast7657
4 жыл бұрын
In the military we never want to be in open ground. Valleys are especially dangerous as they are choke points from which the enemy can attack you. The Romans would have been well aware of this. They also would deviate the road well away from the valley so their approach would not be readily seen.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the military input.
@benters3509
4 жыл бұрын
Walking down into that valley, they would be asking for an ambush.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, so not specifically the slope, more so the valley and it's vulnerability.
@wilhelmdenninghaus421
4 жыл бұрын
@Benters: The Romans better should have made a detour in the Teutoburger forest. Then our Germanic ancestors would not have pulled the fur over their ears.
@garywheeler7039
4 жыл бұрын
Might have been swampy ground at one time as well.
@Garethd1982
4 жыл бұрын
very interesting video, thanks! love your content, keep it up!
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Gareth.
@grahammobbs3464
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting bit of local topography that I didn’t know about,thanks both of you.🥤👍
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Graham.
@alanhunter2051
4 жыл бұрын
A mouse took a bite out of the ruler. Lol
@lightdark00
4 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of video that a drone would really help.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Yup agreed. That's why we used. 👍 Sadly it was too windy to use extensively.
@-M0LE
2 жыл бұрын
There’s an old Roman Road that runs up Radstock Hill towards Bath and apparently was once the longest Roman Road from the midlands to the south west
@sophiaevans9908
4 жыл бұрын
There was clearly a highly recommended inn just off from where they were planning the road, hence the detour 😁😁
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Haha yes. Well there is a thought!
@jonathanbuzzard6648
4 жыл бұрын
Its a reference to Chelmsford 123, straight is great, curvy is purvy
@larrymcgill5508
4 жыл бұрын
Is everyone familiar with the The Big Bang program. Perhaps the “Fun with Flags” segments.
@gunner678
4 жыл бұрын
The map indicates why, it's quite clear. When these particular roads were built, the area was pacified and had been for some time
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
So you are saying it was definitely the gradient not the hill fort?
@seraphina985
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick I would say so especially when you consider the other problem had the fort still been occupied, namely that they would be ideally placed to significantly delay if not prevent completion of the road by harassing construction crews with raids etc.
@allmendoubt4784
4 жыл бұрын
Was it ever hostile tribe? The Romans were welcomed as equally as opposed, or indeed over the first two centuries had fluctuations in allegiances as in near Germania. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_client_kingdoms_in_Britain As the extant historiography suggests we can never be sure - although some things are certain - valleys were flooded and bogland with adjacent woodland prevailed; Roman soldiers were superstitious and Celts dressed like nutters using guerilla tactics, or chariot ambushes. If you agree with with one side of the debate it is better to think less of hill forts as the predominant basis of societies in the late Iron Age as kingdoms had arisen, stabilised and laws and territories established. The Roman occupation of Gaul was 100 years prior to Claudius colonising mission, clients abounded, what later becomes the Kingdom of Wessex was quite homogenous and very Romano-Celtic - resistance came from tribal non - affiliates and perhaps the north, until the errors of the 2nd century ruling class. These were peasant or slave societies - the not free don't struggle against usurpers of the ruling classes, the previous ruling class does that, the ones who could afford chariots. Well, everything is conjecture as per society, but landscape we understand. That valley was deep, glacial and wooded on both inclines which is why the earlier pathway circumvented it. There are enough wooden causeways in the archaeological record to suggest similar - as in a causeway could have crossed that decline but horses won't use them, nor Roman soldiers. Further, too - Roman roads followed the ancient ridgeway routes of Iron Age Britain through lack of choice, when you traipse the countryside you see it, feel it in the mists and damp. Lastly, Rome didn't just export aggression, it exported wealth which was welcomed or rejected by client kings of regions all across Europe. kzitem.info/news/bejne/2GhtyqCVfop9oYI At 10.16 from the first fort locations you can see where the trouble was kzitem.info/news/bejne/qIJvyWWDaqqFm6Q
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
@@allmendoubt4784 wasn't aware of that, assumed everyone was opposed to their arrival.
@seraphina985
4 жыл бұрын
@@allmendoubt4784 You do need to consider that the politics is not going to be so simple as assuming that all leaders from tribe A will simply surrender and all leaders from tribe B are guaranteed to rally their troops in defence. Also until the garrison has actually walked out from the fort white flag in hand you would be making a grave strategic error in banking on it even if you know the commander of the fort was a sympathiser that intended to surrender the fort to you this is a very high stakes move that divides the loyalties of the troops. Best case scenario the majority of the troops agree with the commander's assessment. But you can pretty much guarantee there is at least a minority on the fence as to whether if not openly convinced that the officer is an enemy sympathiser engaging in open treason at that moment. The unit is at an extreme risk of being decapitated from within at this moment.
@vespasian606
4 жыл бұрын
There's a distinction to be made between romanised and roman. An existing road/trackway which the romans decided to upgrade could retain much of it's original route thus explaining it's curves. As for the difference between roads and boundaries that's complicated. While a road could observe a boundary ( at least one the romans cared to recognize) the post roman world frequently used roman roads as boundaries in their own right. As for the subject of route and alignment bear in mind that the first wave of road building was primarily military and political in nature. The road was there to serve the ferrying of troops to where they might need to be such as a tribal centre. It would take the shortest possible route even if that meant going uphill or fording a river. After this initial wave the surveying process seems to have had more economic goals so roads were designed more with commerce in mind. Just as we wouldn't class all roads built in the last 400 years as the same we shouldn't do the same for their roman equivalents.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic thank you. So are you suggesting that this may well have been straight originally?
@vespasian606
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick If it's a romanised road I doubt it was ever straight to begin with. A good example would be a pre roman route that the romans deemed important enough to spend some money on. Their criteria could also be influenced by the willingness of the local magistrate to pay for it though in those cases the road tends to be straight at least in its original form. If it's origin was 100% roman it will still be broadly speaking straight but sections of it would have likely been diverted due to various factors. With post roman society having little money for proper repairs it may simply have been expedient to walk around a section of road that was eroded,flooded or simply robbed out. In time this would become the new route hence the curve. Sometimes you may be lucky enough to see the robbed out material in a nearby wall or church. Other times the original route may be marked out by a hedge and it is always worth examining these for rut marks and metalling. Obviously these won't be the original ruts but a sign that a road originally came this way. Something else to consider is nature. In persistent hot spells a lot more is visible from the air. A road will appear lighter across it's width but the ditches either side will be darker. Some types of vegetation such as nettles prefer stoney ground and many a road can also be found this way.
@MrWombatty
4 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the topographic map of the area I said; "The answer is obviously the difficult terrain!"
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, that's the most sensible option I assume, just didn't seem right that this was the only such deviation we could find on any Roman Road map in the UK.
@justvin7214
4 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick Sarn Helen * cough *
@georgedrum1299
4 жыл бұрын
I think the best reason for deviations from the straight track is due to the area being populated with hostile people's. The Grimm's ditch name would indicate the presence or involvement of the men who had invaded the North East of Lincolnshire. Grimsby
@dfenders2
4 жыл бұрын
Because like today, soldiers fell asleep when there are no curves in the road....
@thomasolsson8816
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video as always. Thanks for cheering.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thomas
@paulstanley2789
4 жыл бұрын
Nice videos all the best luck for the future productions.
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul. Every Wednesday.
@calxtra5361
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting thanks you two :)
@pwhitewick
4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Cal.
@geoffsullivan4063
2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering what they will make of our motorway system in 4000 years time. I've just discovered your channel by the way (very interesting with a light hearted well and informed approach 👍) was wondering if you have or would consider doing something on the Crystal Palace ruins over at' well Crystal Palace in London ? 😁
@pwhitewick
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Geoff. Probably not in the short term as AdventureMe has recently done a good job of it.
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