Ozzy is the biggest mystery. I don't know what language he's using, when speaking. When he's singing, perfect English.
@tracytempleton8618
3 жыл бұрын
LOL Right?!
@scottallen653
3 жыл бұрын
Ozzy speaks Ozzy.Its a mix of British,alcohol,pills and dain bramage.
@Sandy-dd4le
3 жыл бұрын
Birmingham, innit.
@lordofentropy
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the damage from the decades of alcohol and drugs has magnified his Birmingham accent x1000. It also added extra, I don't know what it is, that downturned corner of the mouth speaking they do.
@chadfalardeau5396
3 жыл бұрын
If you listen to him speaking for s while, you get used to it
@DougRayPhillips
3 жыл бұрын
I remember when The Beatles first came to the U.S. in '64. Yeah, it was weird. In the movie A Hard Day's Night, when just speaking, they had a thick accent (from my perspective), not to mention a different dialect vocabulary. But when singing, they could pass for Americans.
@ThelSuperlKing
3 жыл бұрын
Some Australian actors when they move to the USA to advance their careers had to adopt an American accent in their daily lives because as one of them said (Anthony LaPaglia) "when I go to the grocery store nobody understood me!". 🤣 🤣 🤣 Makes me wonder how on earth Americans understood Crocodile Dundee......that's hillybilly Aussie accent or maybe they used subtitles in American cinemas. 🤣
@bluewidow1302
3 жыл бұрын
Me took Doug !
@vibesmom
3 жыл бұрын
@@bluewidow1302 I had wondered that when I first got into them in high school. My mother said often people would hide their accent, but that didn’t make sense to me because they never hid their Liverpool accent when speaking to reporters. They did not seem embarrassed in any way about where they came from. But now that I hear this I think in a way my mother may have been into something. It may have been both the fact they were mimicking the tone that those who inspired them had or it’s because it was easier to sing. I believe that’s how they would sing some of their songs in German for the audience. They sang sounds instead of words. Either way, whenever I hear that accent I know someone’s from Liverpool.
@BR-hi6yt
3 жыл бұрын
Mick Jagger too - perfect American when singing and lousy English estuary when talking.
@TheMule71
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThelSuperlKing As a non native speaker, I find it very interesting how I relate to English accents. I've been taught RP in school. That's probably the hardest to learn for an Italian. Thinking back at the time, many of us were butchering English - or so we thought. Much later I've learned that our pronunciation was closer to some northern accents. I can't hear a mild scottish accent (unless I'm looking for specific markers on purpose), it's more familiar to ma than other accents. In a way, the Australian accent is also familiar. BTW not the thick ones, and anyway it's mostly a matter of words (meaning, it's more a dialect than an accent). OTOH overall I seem to understand an average American better than an average Brit. But I'm very surprised when I see an American having trouble in understanding some northern British accents - I'm not a native speaker, I've never lived there, nor I have any reason to be familar with them, my language is no relative of English, yet I seem to understand those accents better than a native speaker of English. At the same time, some southern American accents are most obscure to me. I love their musicality but I can't understand a word, while it seems not to bother much other Americans (I'm not sure how Brits react to those). Think of McConaughey's accent in the 1st season of True Detectives.
@matheus5230
3 жыл бұрын
Frank Sinatra had perfect diction when singing. Speaking, he had a strong Hoboken accent. He consciously trained himself to eliminate his accent when singing
@nicholasalves1354
3 жыл бұрын
Elton John is very fond of New Orleans' unique style of Blues, he grew up listening to that and some other american rock-'n'-rollers. That's why he switches to a more southern american in some of his songs. Sometimes, he's also done it only to make it sound better and fit more gently in the song's metrics. For instance, in "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on me" when Elton sings "don't discard me (...)", He does it in a very american accent 'cause he thought it'd fit better.
@aneophyte1199
3 жыл бұрын
I hear the accents coming through with Dolores O'Riordan and Colin James Hay.
@robertcronin6603
3 жыл бұрын
Yes - true
@spacemanspiff3052
3 жыл бұрын
Oh that sweet Irish brogue of Dolores O’Riordan. My jaw dropped and my heart leapt upon hearing “Linger” for the first time. She’s missed.
@erikatosoni8595
3 жыл бұрын
Totally. I was about to write Dolores! She was so unique! 💓
@gunnaryoung
3 жыл бұрын
I heard the song "Melt With You" by Modern English on the radio the other day and realized it was basically impossible to sing along in my American accent.
@rickc2102
3 жыл бұрын
If I sing it in my natural voice, it sounds like it should be a country song, lol.
@user-vv4lo5yz3h
2 жыл бұрын
Love this song 🙏
@kayluv9
2 жыл бұрын
yesss ha ha
@JayTemple
2 жыл бұрын
I can sing it; I just can't make it sound like them.
@catwhisperer9489
2 жыл бұрын
That's funny, I've been singin' that song since it came-out in 1982, and never realized I was singin' it like them---IOW, with a British accent (I'm American); but, one is forced to because, for instance, he pronounces "better", "betta"!!!
@SatsumaTengu14
3 жыл бұрын
I remember reading an interview with either John Lennon or Paul McCartney where they said they loved Motown in their early years and attempted to copy that accent. Sting said in an interview back in the 1980's that he had intentionally tried to make a unique accent all his own. As a Canadian I am well aware when Canadian singers sound Canadian, like Gordon Lightfoot, Joni Mitchell or the Barenaked Ladies as opposed to many Canadian Country singers who intentionally copy American accents. Look at the Proclaimers, surely no one could sound more Scottish when they sing compared to Rod Stewart for example. Love your videos!
@p.millard557
3 жыл бұрын
Rod Stewart was born and grew up in London. His father was Scottish but his mother was a Londoner. I don't think he ever lived in Scotland.
@nickc6369
3 жыл бұрын
The one I think about most is Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin, because when he sings softly his accent is very present, but when he goes full throttle it totally disappears. "Over the Hills and Far Away" is an excellent example of that. This is opposed to other British Invasion singers like Roger Daltrey and Mick Jagger. Roger's accent disappears entirely no matter what (listen to Behind Blue Eyes), but Mick ALWAYS has his accent on whether he's singing soft or not (Ruby Tuesday vs Sympathy for the Devil)
@daveg.4772
Жыл бұрын
Saw Paul McCartney asked why The Beatles sounded "American" when singing. He answered that all of their favorite songs and favorite singers were American and they came up originally as a coverband in clubs. Their influences were American, so they developed an American sounding style of singing. .
@rolgirremoreas1909
3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised that there was no mention of the “Transatlantic Accent” and it’s place as the “correct” showbiz accent used in the plays and films and musicals of the first half of the 20th century (despite the fact it wasn’t naturally spoken by anybody). I would’ve thought the perception of the correct/classy accent had a major impact on how singing is taught in the west.
@NoirL.A.
2 жыл бұрын
it never was truly the "correct" stage accent it was basically left up to the individual actor whether they chose to adopt it or not but by the late forties it was pretty much gone just like the fashion trend of everybody wearing hats all the time. american rock n' roll was basically the foundation of modern music as we know it and that started early 50's so the trend was basically dead by then plus that 'ROCK AROUND THE CLOCK' would've sounded ridiculous in a mid atlantic accent.
@PurnaRodman
9 ай бұрын
Indeed, but htat was more spoken than sung. I suppost musical theatre gets is similar, but it's still very much a standard in the USA, unless it's about specific ethinc or socioeconomic groups.
@chrisbundy6104
5 ай бұрын
Great comment : very germane
@asgoodasold1439
3 жыл бұрын
I've always enjoyed to that about Pink Floyd exactly because they stick to their original accent
@bluewidow1302
3 жыл бұрын
I just made the same basic comment. Yeah ! haha
@rickc2102
3 жыл бұрын
Right when I read the words "Pink Floyd" in your comment, my brain played the "By chance, two separate glances meet" line in my head, so definitely a fundamental element in them that I hadn't thought of before.
@celis727
3 жыл бұрын
When I was a boy, I was shocked the first time I heard Rob Halford speak on MTV. Mick Jagger and Lemmy sounded clearly British to me. Def Leppard and Judas Priest sounded so American to me. I was so confused.
@99bajakid
3 жыл бұрын
I was going to bring up Mick Jagger as well
@margett__
Жыл бұрын
As an accent nerd, I find this video delightful to watch 😊❤ Thank you so much for this deep dive!
@BethRoars
Жыл бұрын
You're so welcome!
@bluewidow1302
3 жыл бұрын
The very first time I had the pleasure of hearing Pink Floyd there was no doubt of where they were from. Shine On !
@NancyvanD
3 жыл бұрын
I love it when singers retain their accent and make it work with their songs. To name a few; Florence + the Machine, Marina and the Diamonds, Sophie Ellis Bextor, the Cranberries and of course, the Proclaimers. I also feel with Adele it depends on the song. Sometimes you do hear her English accent. In Hometown Glory for instance.
@CriticalReactions
3 жыл бұрын
I love how you've expanded your channel into video essays. You obviously have a passion for education (as expected from a Vocal Coach) as it shows through your presentation and research. I've seen a handful of your reactions (can't watch too many or else I'll spoil myself for my own content) and I've learned a lot about vocals that, as a composer and trumpet player, I wasn't aware of. Your channel continues to be a well of musical information that will seemingly never run dry. Your video essays remind me so much of Braincraft, but for music topics, and I wish you the best as you continue to expand into new ideas.
@echopryme
3 жыл бұрын
I've ALWAYS wondered.... 😁 But I LOVE it when you can hear the accent! Arctic Monkeys ae great for that! Its just "cooler" when you know you can't sing it naturally without faking it. Cranberries, Sugarcubes, etc, are also good examples where the ACTUAL accent makes it SOOOO much cooler!
@ThelSuperlKing
3 жыл бұрын
Damon Albarn: Hold my beer! (*then proceeds to sing Blur's "Country House" in his native East London Cockney accent*). Billy Bragg: You ain't seen nothin' yet!
@andraskovacs8959
3 жыл бұрын
Sabaton's Joakim Brodén definitely adds some Swedish-ness to his hinging accent.
@PXCharon
3 жыл бұрын
I saw a clip somewhere of Joachim saying he uses the slightly rolled R when he sings specifically because it's the only way he can make it sound clear. I don't know anything about Swedish, but it's kind of interesting that the open "ah" that English tends toward in singing doesn't work for him.
@antivanti
3 жыл бұрын
'byooried' 😅
@imokin86
3 жыл бұрын
Swedes don't roll their Rs so much when they speak (more than the English, but less than the Spanish or Slavs), but they sometimes do it when they sing, especially if they take on a more theatrical manner. With Jocke it could be due to the fact that he is half Czech or Polish, don't remember exactly which.
@trialbystone2532
3 жыл бұрын
@@PXCharon he also said on stream with Dragonforce that it helped him hide his Scandinavian accent, or at least not make him sound like he's doing a bad American accent.
@slopedarmor
3 жыл бұрын
he kinda sings bury as byoury
@whaleguy
3 жыл бұрын
I never realised I was changing my accent when singing till a friend told me I sounded like Layne Staley. A whole bunch of recordings later, I realised I did sound very American while singing. But I grew up listening to American rock bands or British rock bands that sang like Americans so it's not surprising.
@Jaimcferran
3 жыл бұрын
It’s also fun to hear West End stars perform on Broadway because they generally sound completely different as they have to mask their “British” accent most times. I noticed it a lot with Rachel Tucker and Kerry Ellis when they played Elphaba in Wicked on both the West End and Broadway, it would be interesting to get a comparison video of them!
@ira_iz_kaira
23 күн бұрын
I absolutely adore how profound and in-depth your videos are! You dig really deep into the very essence of a topic and deliver it with in such a warm and inviting yet structured manner that I can't help but stick my eyes and ears to my screen. Thank you!
@almostfm
3 жыл бұрын
The part about vowels doing a large part in defining an accent is spot on. Back in my radio days, the production director at one station I was at figured out that my family originally came to California from Wisconsin based on how I pronounce the word "milk". I use an "e" sound instead of an "i", so it sounds like "melk".
@tekaid23
3 жыл бұрын
I have always wondered if people like Alex Turner (Arctic Monkeys) started singing with a less natural accent and forced themselves back to their native speaking accent as a choice, or if it was natural for them to sing in their speech accent (when for others it seems natural to sing in a different accent to the one they speak with)...
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
I think that is really personal. A lot of it is subconscious. :)
@lucie4185
3 жыл бұрын
Alex Turner probably writes the song with his accent in mind, consider Tom Jones cover of "I bet that you look good on the dance floor" using his mid-Atlantic voice it sounds a bit flatter because he isn't using the yorkshire accent to pull the vowel sounds up and down like Alex does.
@tekaid23
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucie4185 Yeah I think you're probably right. Im sure it was something that helped them standout from all the other small bands doing their thing with small club/bar gigs and on social media.
@Lfppfs
3 жыл бұрын
I am enjoying these videos with scientific and societal aspects of music/sound so much! Keep up the great work, Beth! Cheers from Brazil!
@GilbertClark
3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to hear this. You can still hear a bit of Tatiana's accent when she sings her cleans, but she loses it in her growls/screams. :-)
@johnforsyth7987
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your very informative video. As a retired teacher in the USA. I used to tell my students that the learning process never stops. I learned a considerable amount from this video, thank you. By the way. I love your accent. When I hear you speak, I think that is how some of my ancestors might have sounded. You channel is great. Keep up the good work.
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John!
@Andy_from_de
3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of what you say applies to German and how it's thought to be a very harsh language just rrrrrrrrrrolling with all the rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, as Till Lindeman from Rammstein does when singing. But when he speaks in his normal voice, you don't hear that at all. The rrrrrrrrrrolling R comes from something called "Bühnendeutsch", which as those operatic Italian vowels you mentioned is used to project voice clearly in a theatre setting. No German would ever dream of speaking that way (aside from some local accents which do have a rolling R). I guess when English speaking actors were trained to play the bad German Nazi guys in WWII films, they were trained by people who taught them Bühnendeutsch, or used it to indicate the use a foreign language while still speaking English. Many Germans can't even roll an R to save their lives.
@brothertaddeus
3 жыл бұрын
"Think Scottish folk" shows a brief clip of Julie Fowlis. So I'm holding out hope for a vocal coach reacts to Julie Fowlis video some day.
@katherinemorelle7115
3 жыл бұрын
That would be amazing! She’s one of my favourite vocalists.
@kustomride
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Beth. I have always wondered why UK, or even a Dutch band (Golden Earring) sounded so "American." Then again, it seemed odd that a San Fransisco band (Creedence) sounded so US Southern. Or the obviously British voice of The Beatles contrasts with the more blues influenced voice of the Rolling Stones (Mick Jagger, who could do American accents from Southern to New England).
@JoelMatton
3 жыл бұрын
I love singers that sing in their real accents, I have a 40 song Spotify playlist dedicated to "accent songs" lol. Glasvegas, Arab Strap and Biffy Clyro are 3 of the Scottish-singing artists on there.
@ilinichina
7 ай бұрын
god drop the link
@plectrumura
3 жыл бұрын
I’m stoked for this video. This has been on my question list for a while now. Can’t wait!
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
Hope you like it!
@JimONeil
3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video Beth. I could listen to you talk about this topic for hours. Very interesting.
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I have the full chat with Pamela coming out in podcast form soon!
@TucsonBillD
3 жыл бұрын
One excellent example of this was the late Jim Nabors, who while speaking had a real thick southern/Appalachian accent. But when he sang it completely disappeared. Excellent presentation, Beth.
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill!
@blackfender100
3 жыл бұрын
The Beatles were a Prime example in the 60's
@richkranz-hiddenmaster-of-rock
3 жыл бұрын
The question is one of the most interesting for all musical genres, languages and all times. And the answer you gave us, was the best I heard of all times, and you have done it with unsurpassed clarity and documentation. I congratulate you enormously. You're so cute! Thanks from Argentina !!
@ericanewman8792
2 жыл бұрын
Hilltop Hoods are an example of artists defying the norm and using their own accent in their music. Rap in an Australian Accent goes against what’s considered “right” but their sound really works and they don’t try to affect an American accent
@omnipop4936
2 ай бұрын
The "rhotic r" thing is huge. Such a difference between 6:29 and 6:33. Can you imagine Steve Perry singing "she took the midnight train goin' anywherrrrre" (instead of the iconic "anywheyah")? Or, in 'Open Arms', singing "open arrrrms" (instead of the iconic "open ahmms"), or "...wanting you nearrrrr" (instead of "wanting you nea-ahh")? It'd be _comical._ He'd sound like Glenn Frey of the Eagles, or an outright "bro country" singer. 😆 Speaking of Glenn Frey, he really did lean in on that rhotic r, didn't he! A line from "Lyin' Eyes' comes to mind: "...she wonderrrrrs how it everrrrrr got this crazy". 😄
@thomasmurray3920
2 жыл бұрын
I love your sessions, and this one in particular. As an American who used to sing Japanese and Korean songs, I approached them from a linguistics basis, dinging phonetically as I didn’t always understand all of the words. In Japan I was told that I spoke with a Tokyo accent. In singing, my “accent” would vary depending if I was singing enka (a more traditional song, done of which might be considered similar to folk songs) but sang in a more normal tone for J-pop songs. For Korean songs, the challenge was mostly about vowel sounds that would be unusual for English speakers, such as the long u followed by an “l”. An American would say “pool” with a flat tongue hitting the roof of the mouth at the end of the word fairly far forward in the mouth. That “ool” sound in many Korean words has the tongue more curved and hitting the roof of the mouth further back, giving quite a different sound.
@davidarnold2532
3 жыл бұрын
The Proclaimers sound Scottish even when they sing an American song....I know, I know haven't seen the video yet....but just saying 😉
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
🙈
@HollowGolem
3 жыл бұрын
Have you heard their song "Throw the R Away?" It's basically about how they're proud to sing with a Scottish accent.
@davidarnold2532
3 жыл бұрын
@@HollowGolem I like King of the Road....an American song with a Scottish flare.
@earthtear9586
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@viacrucis2509
3 жыл бұрын
So I heard it was cause of he influence of popular American music. I am 60 years old, raised in South Texas, and I could only sound British when singing “Enerie” the 8th by the Herman’s Hermits.
@xdxdxdxd4575
3 жыл бұрын
Never thought someone can have this question but yeah, a good one! As a hungarian I often realise that even if I just speak in German or in English my voice stucture changes, because of the rithm of the language, so does the tone of my voice and the volume is another. I also sing different in different languages. My accent seems American english to people, but it truly desappears when I am singing, that Is for sure! Thanks!
@zosmaee
3 жыл бұрын
...there is also the case of Syd Barrett, he had so much of his london accent when singing that he managed to rhyme "again" with "Layne" (song Arnold Layne).
@robertcronin6603
3 жыл бұрын
Yes... very interesting
@p.millard557
3 жыл бұрын
Syd was born and grew up in Cambridge and only came to live London in 1964 and was part of Pink Floyd from 1965 to 1968.
@oxigenarian9763
3 жыл бұрын
Never really thought about this critically but my favorite band sings in English with an American accent but they are quite, quite Dutch. Beautiful job on this - I love learning from you and never miss one of your postings!
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@thekaratekidpartii2169
3 жыл бұрын
I think Brandon Flowers from The Killers sang with a British accent on at least their first album Hot Fuss, and he's from Las Vegas.
@konkey-dong
3 жыл бұрын
Oh 100% - Loads of Brits thought they were a British band (some still do which is probably part of why Mr Brightside is _still_ on the charts here to this day) - a good example is the un-American way he sings 'but it's just the PRICE I PAY' in Mr Brightside's chorus
@Baerno
3 жыл бұрын
Bjork and Aurora don't surrender a syllable to anyone or anything. I think they operate on the same position I take. "I don't have an accent! Everybody else does."
@katherinemorelle7115
3 жыл бұрын
Missy Higgins is well known for singing pop in an Australian accent. And I’m sure most western millennials will remember Sophie Ellis Bextor’s Murder on the Dancefloor (man that song was a banger), in her native English accent. Those are the two that first popped into my mind.
@joshuasizemore4862
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the the explanation. As a child I noticed the accents disappearing while listening to music with my dad who was a bid fan of the British invasion of the seventies and eighties, and I always wondered why that happened.
@kingedwardthe1st
3 жыл бұрын
This video was ace. I've been told when I sing (metal/rock music) I sound English/British, yet when I talk between songs I'm obviously Irish. When asked I once told someone it was down to singing along with 80s British metal bands. I wish I sounded more like one of my personal heroes Phil Lynott, his soft Dublin accent comes through in his songs so well.
@WineSippingCowboy
3 жыл бұрын
Morissette Amon, other Filipino singers. 🇵🇭 Sohyang of South Korea. Dimash of Khazakstan. George Kooymans of Netherlands, Klaus Meine of Germany, Morten Harket of Norway, Mike Tramp of Denmark. Sabrina Salerno of Italy. They sound different when they speak! 🤯
@TARDIStraveller96
3 жыл бұрын
Most of my examples for singers who almost exclusively sing in their native accent you used, but I would also add Sophie Ellis-Bextor. She almost never loses her well spoken southern English accent when she sings, and it's one of the reasons I enjoy her voice so much. Quite the contrast to Lily Allen another singer I like who is also from South England but has a thick cockney accent that she sings in.
@blackletter2591
Жыл бұрын
Losing the accent is common in pop and also opera, where they have to sing in other languages fairly often. But traditional music keeps its accents, Irish, Scots or Australian.
@mueesli4745
2 жыл бұрын
The best example for singing style contradicting expectations might be Rammstein. Even for german measures their style has a very harsh and opera-like tone used in very rhythmic rock/metal music, and I think this is why they are loved internationally: it simply fits well into this american derived style of music and gives a new layer of heavyness that others could never achieve without this tone. To clear my background, I am not even a big fan of them, but I respect them for their unique style.
@dorinowens1004
3 жыл бұрын
I've been curious about this for so long. Thanks Beth :)
@genghisbunny
3 жыл бұрын
I've never thought about "Opera" as an accent before, but it makes so much sense.
@rickc2102
3 жыл бұрын
Also explains for me my preference for Italian over German opera. Mind opened.
@brianmathisinmontana
3 жыл бұрын
Try Rhiannon Gibbons “Wayfaring Stranger”. African-American-Scots-Irish-Southern US. The accent is all over the place. It works.
@PurnaRodman
10 ай бұрын
Excellent summary. Yes, pretty little in pop songs, even by Brits, will be preedy liddle. On the other hand, in broadway, even sung by americans it will be "i feel pretty and witty and gay" with all the ts pronounced.
@Jabadaw
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. All of the elements you described definitely were different when we'd do songs in other languages in college choir, like the Sephardic Spanish of Por Que Llorax Blanca Niña.
@mattjohn4731
6 ай бұрын
'Desperate Cry' is an excellent metal song by Sepultura (Brazil)
@rasputinsbeard3899
3 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing Shirley Manson's accent for the first time. That is quite a strong Scottish accent, and yet totally non-existent in her singing. Gorgeous voice in either situation though.
@juztinking8813
3 жыл бұрын
Once, I was at an friend's place with a few people. I was the only francophone and everyone else spoke Canadian English (they were Acadians, from New-Brunswick). Needless to say everyone kinda made fun of my accent when speaking. We were around a bonfire in his backyard and I pulled my guitar out and started to play. I barely started singing before my friend asked me to stop. He told the others that he thought my accent was completely gone while singing and I started the song over and at the end the others agreed. I always thought it was curious and this video made me remember this moment and now I understand why people kinda lose their accents when singing.
@adrianvella7661
3 жыл бұрын
Fish of Marillion sang with his native accent which deffo gives the band more character imho!
@cardboardbelt
3 жыл бұрын
A friend once told me all British singers sounded American when they sang. So I played Billy Bragg for him.
@swngwyrdd3552
3 жыл бұрын
Bit of The Wurzels will set him right.
@teddycuthbert
Жыл бұрын
The Unthanks - folk singers from the very North of England (where I'm from!) - utilise their strong Northumbrian accents, making their music instantly recognisable as theirs. I admire their pride in the local dialect, and try to honour it in my singing too, though to a less noticeable extent than The Unthanks.
@cjwatson1972
3 жыл бұрын
Ray Davies (The Kinks) doesn't change accents. He could sing "Great Balls of Fire" on the Fourth of July in a Memphis juke joint, and he'd still sound British.
@OrthodoxPole81
Жыл бұрын
A lot of punk rock singers sound British, even American punk rock has a British accent texture to it. A lot of Australian and Canadian Country singers sound like they're from the American Southlands. Most people from Australia and England find the various accents of the American Southlands to be more accessible than, for instance, New England or New York accents.
@quinn4762
3 жыл бұрын
if i have a reference for how the words should sound,, i dont lose accent. most of the time.
@GregsWhiskyGuide
3 жыл бұрын
A fascinating question indeed...one of the biggest contrast I know is people from Quebec losing their strong accent (strong for us French, everything is relative) when they sing....Also the different accents from the USA according to which state you are from...So, an obvious conclusion we could draw, singing is strong to gather people together if they can agree about a common language in which to sing...What if Esperanto language had more success than English, the face of the world, at least singing wise, would have been changing...Cheers !
@joeterp5615
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Excellent video! This is something I’ve often wondered about. I think you can even take this further. Some people when they travel abroad to a country where they don’t know the language start imitating the sounds of that language when speaking their own. It can happen without thinking. I think that gets back to the point re seeking of acceptance and understanding from others. Oh, and you look absolutely amazing as usual! (like a Scottish Ann Margret). So irresistibly cute, so positive and upbeat, and soooo smart. A winning combination!
@TFFgeek
3 жыл бұрын
Shirley Manson from Garbage and Sharleen Spiteri from Texas: two Scottisch singers with a heavy accent but incredible clean when singing.
@runedahl1477
2 жыл бұрын
Look up the danish musician Eddie Skoller singing his song “what did you learn in school today” . Each verse has a different accent with a National twist. Each of verses are flavored by the native language from each of the nationalities he is portraying.
@whatabouttheearth
9 ай бұрын
There is a general unintentional affectation because most modern mainstream musics stem from the United States, ans there is even more of a slant towards an affectation that sounds southern american because so much of US music was made by, and perpetuated by, African Americans who, even if they're Afircan American communities that migrated north, predominantly retain southern features.
@markgardner4426
2 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered and regret not asking my vocal teacher Dr. Myra Brand when I was in college. Thank you for explaining this phenomenon so well! Wish I'd kept up singing as I did in church when was younger or later in karaoke. Thanks again!
@EdwardMWolfe
3 жыл бұрын
You reminded me of Paul McCartney singing in a southern in Rocky Racoon.
@eshim3961
Ай бұрын
Harriet Wheeler of the Sundays, has a Stereotypically British accent when she sings, but if you have ever seen her interviewed, her Berkshire accent is so heavy, it's a bit difficult to understand her at times. She has one of the most beautiful voices in history, and I list them among the top groups that I wish would come back.
@NayllaSondahl
3 жыл бұрын
I think about Alanis. Her singing is very unique for me.
@carstenschultz5
3 жыл бұрын
Well done, this was very interesting. The one additional accent thing that take away from this is that your pronunciation of *assume* does to the *s* what I had thought was mostly Australian.
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
There are probably some parallels between my accent and Australian accents. After all I’m from Perth, Scotland and Australia was colonised by enough Perth people to make their own :)
@mmmegameat
3 жыл бұрын
Kudos to Beth for a fascinating, incisive lecture on a subject that always intrigued me.
@Jamesharris-lo9nn
3 жыл бұрын
The most obvious answer would be that the overwhelming majority of popular forms of music were created in America. Musical artists usually closely emulate what they hear on records that infuence them. Most musical acts have sought fame and fortune in America as it is the largest consumer of popular music in terms of album sales and concert revenue. So therefore they attempt to appeal to the largest number of popular music consumers by sounding more like them.
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
I think it's less about people doing it purposefully but rather the unconscious influence of American music culture.
@richardingham1578
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks Beth this is really helpful as my vocal coach has said I am too heavy on the Essex accent
@musik102
3 жыл бұрын
My God, that went on! In fact, I only got a bit into it! The answer to the question is simple ( and it's nothing to so with vowel sounds etc or the style of music being performed ) Consciously or - usually - unconsciously - British/Irish singers ape the accents of American singers. On a conscious level with have Paul McCartney trying to sound like Little Richard on various Beatle recordings. On an unconscious level. well, that happens everywhere. Oh yes, another reference to The Beatles. When they first arrived in the States in 1964, and gave huge press conferences, the press were struck by the huge difference in their spoken Liverpudlian accents and the American accents in which they sang, and they were asked why they sang that way. John replied, "because it sells better". I have a lot more to say - with lots of examples - to illustrate my thoughts on the matter, but does anybody have anything to say about what I've said so far?
@The-End-Of-The-Line
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a fantastic exploration of this phenomenon.
@carolusbillius6726
3 жыл бұрын
That was super interesting! Thanks, Beth!
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome!
@josephpere3822
3 жыл бұрын
I live in Tahiti island when we speak french we roll the r . Tahiti is french colony thats why we speak french We also speak tahitian it s our mother tongue
@micheleosullivan4430
3 жыл бұрын
Unless you're Lewis Capaldi. I knew right away he was Scottish from the very first time I heard him sing. I couldn't tell you exactly why. My husband and I were driving up the north Wales coast and one of his songs came on. I'd never heard him sing before and I told my husband, he's a Scot! My hubby was dubious and we placed bets. I won. :D
@RevStickleback
3 жыл бұрын
I think so much of it is subconscious, singing in the style expected of the genre. I hear young people sing now, and many even imitate the autotune/electronic effect in their voices, as they are so used to it. I've heard white British rappers sounding black. It's strange how unusual it is to hear someone singing in their own accent, but I like it when they do, such as a Paul Weller when with The Jam, or Suggs with Madness.
@evantomsha9653
3 жыл бұрын
Dolores O'Riordan in the cranberries always stood out as keeping an accent while singing. Linger was the most obvious to me. Also current artists is Hozier, the song shrike is thick with his accent, maybe because he's a little closer to the folk music of his homeland.
@khonekt
3 жыл бұрын
I love these educational videos I've always wanted to know this. Thank you! :D
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
You're so welcome!
@prosens52
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for clearing this up I have always wondered this!
@TheEulerID
7 ай бұрын
Not all do. Listen to Kate Rusby, and the Barnsley accent is unmistakable.
@normanleroy1874
3 жыл бұрын
Oddly, French doesn't work for rock. Trust pulled it off, but most French rock doesn't work for me. Must be the vowels? French works great for pop though.
@BethRoars
3 жыл бұрын
You should check out Benighted. Mad French metal vocals. Having said that, French is quite hard to sing in.
@thefaboo
3 жыл бұрын
At least as a non-French speaker, Eths has a noticeable french sound, even during harsh screaming parts.
@tardyon808
5 ай бұрын
this is a really interesting video and explained really well. thank you for sharing.
@edbutler3
3 жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying this newer "high effort" content shift you've done. I hope it pays off for you.
@lethiapage4767
3 жыл бұрын
A singer will also pronounce differently to account for acoustics and the way sounds move through a room with or without people etc. It doesnt always sound right to the singer but to the audience it will esp at the back of the venue. For example if for some reason you need to sing the word cheese you really sould pronounce it choose otherwise the eeeee sound will become nasal. The ooooo sound morphs as it travels and sounds right to the listener. This may be less significant when using mics instead of relying on acoustics to carry the sound.
@SteveSingsThings
3 жыл бұрын
Don't need a PHD for this. Pop / rock singers are just singing in the style of the original artists they admire. Mimicking basically whether consciously or not. Mick Jager for example sings bluesy Stones songs like the black blues masters he listened to did. Midnight Rambler is a great example.
@thesnudge1
3 жыл бұрын
Idlewild and Twilight Sad are great at holding onto their Scottish accents
@cebukano520
3 жыл бұрын
I look forward to this. It will be interesting.
@williamwilliam8978
3 жыл бұрын
She's so pretty 🦋
@stewstew6259
3 жыл бұрын
Morrissey and The Smiths are another exception.
@EdHotchkin
3 жыл бұрын
"I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony......"
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