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@robertlemmon7154
8 ай бұрын
literally says you don't need half the APM then explains why it is necessary lol
@lucutes2936
2 ай бұрын
AP what
@anbu999
6 ай бұрын
Not enough minerals ! Not enough minerals ! Not enough minerals ! Not enough minerals ! Not enough minerals ! Not enough minerals ! Not enough minerals ! Not enough minerals ! Not enough minerals !
@Stardash81
4 ай бұрын
Lol so true
@lordyoseph53
3 ай бұрын
I watched a video about apm years and years ago. The guy I forgot who it was basically said don’t spam get really good at timing and don’t waste that apm. I now sit comfortably at 75 apm as an average and I beat people well into the 2-300 range daily. My movements are just doing more with less if that makes sense. Holding shift to que movements/buildings/attacks is my favorite. I don’t waste 50 apm moving a scv probe or drone.
@thedarksypiecco2
Ай бұрын
Early game ost lyrics go hard
@klimuxel
Ай бұрын
@@lordyoseph53Yeah amp doesnt give a real thing about stuff, yes something is matters and shows how you control units but as zerg 200 amp i just spam odering units from lavrae using queens and creep tumors
@terry4751
27 күн бұрын
Me who has 0 apm and omly relax and use my mouse😎
@justinliebenberg2321
Жыл бұрын
Thinking of playing ranked: 😃 Actually playing ranked: 😩😓😤😵
@SmokeBloody
6 ай бұрын
Playing ranked in any game is stressful😅
@L3monsta
4 ай бұрын
My experience is literally the opposite of this lol.
@Zedpade
3 ай бұрын
@@L3monstaYeah lol in Aoe4 I get stressed when I think of playing ranked but when i actually go for it its mostly chill and routine
@lucutes2936
2 ай бұрын
Noob
@mrnoblemonkey8401
Ай бұрын
It’s a waaaay better experience then leauge of legends ranked
@colts8146
Жыл бұрын
one of the main reasons i spam especially early on is like you said. To warm up but also to stay on rhthym.
@Sunstriderko
Жыл бұрын
this
@abelherrera2207
Жыл бұрын
I just do it cuz I’m a crackhead
@judicatorhurayth1927
Жыл бұрын
@@abelherrera2207 Reason why clicking so many buttons: Btw same
@JohnDoe-l4d9h
9 ай бұрын
Another point I never see get talked about is simply building and reinforcing muscle memory
@yonggeun4222
2 ай бұрын
@@Sunstriderko to keep up the adrenaline
@svetoslavpopov2255
Жыл бұрын
Yea, suuuuure. I thought Byun’s high APM was due to his ability to control two drops, build infrastructure, create workers and queue units at the same time, but I guess it is just waste 😂😂
@EsportsStoryteller
Жыл бұрын
Yeah some players do have a justified high apm
@ludovicgomessilva404
Жыл бұрын
Most pro players have 300-450APM, however, EPM would be around 200-300 at best. In mid GM and higher most players have 200EPM. Most of it is just useless clicks, because yeah, we're human and not AIs or bots, our actions are very inefficient
@rafalbastek6468
Жыл бұрын
Well, Ragnarok vs Neeb at IEM had 628APM, you can't get that high without relaying on repetetive actions
@ludovicgomessilva404
Жыл бұрын
@@rafalbastek6468 this is spikes of APM, we're talking about average APM, because in late game zergs can spike to 1000s with repetitive zerglings making in a single batch
@kevinnguyen290
Жыл бұрын
His points about wasted APM apply more to when there isn’t anything happening. Like you don’t need 200-300+ apm in the early game or if you aren’t microing 2-3 diff armies while macroing at home. A lot of macro from non pros tend to be just spamming their main army and their buildings and not actually being effective apm
@TheRealPDizzle
Жыл бұрын
As a Broodwar player since 1998, I retrained my APM at a certain point. I was getting around 300 APM with my Zerg play, and realized that a lot of my clicks and commands were indeed superfluous. I intentionally forced myself to play as slow as possible, only using commands when totally necessary. At first it was a slog and difficult, but over time I was able to bring my APM back up to 180, except now there are no wasted clicks or actions. My real APM is now 180 and goes up to 200 during large engagements. Having done this, I'm better at BW now at 33 than I was at 16. When all of your actions are efficient and necessary, a lot gets done. And when you get up to 180 with no superfluous actions, the way you look at the game totally changes.
@damiann4734
Жыл бұрын
Broodwar since 1998, I've never passed 160apm as a protoss player and my game average at peak was around 120-130. I played against alot of the the Australian pros including legionnaire. I never seen anyone gone close to 300 lol.
@TheRealPDizzle
Жыл бұрын
@@damiann4734 Korean Zerg and Terran pros from the golden age of BW (mid 2000s) all exceeded 300apm at times.
@damiann4734
Жыл бұрын
@@TheRealPDizzle interesting, I usually prefer game average apm rather the peak apm. I've notice a lot of people just spam at the beginning to warm up but after being pressured, their apm just drop below 100. Slayer Boxer apm is around 250, his max is probably 280. Same as nc yell0w. So if you were getting 300+ you could have been a pro player haha. Were you playing in any of the private servers?
@ivankuzin8388
5 ай бұрын
@@TheRealPDizzle They still do. Check the latest ASL - games are insane, today's pros are on another level.
@Impaled_Onion-thatsmine
4 күн бұрын
I haven't even thought about apm would be even more ridiculous
@lordlopikong6940
Жыл бұрын
It's said that you'll have more apm at the start and it gradually dies then spike at critical times. Cold fingers in StarCraft2 is like a blank mind during a test
@postpwnmalone
Жыл бұрын
peep the Ozen, good taste
@vladmatei1958
Жыл бұрын
One day, man, one day I'm going to pass 40 apm.
@Da.VoidWalker
Жыл бұрын
I passed 60 without even knowing on every game I play now. I don’t spam but who knows
@User-vh6uy
Жыл бұрын
I got 40 just because I killed my own units for funsies
@ratzelbarreto2070
Жыл бұрын
I do 60+ easy in wow I have an average of 110 apm.
@Saren-yc1rk
Жыл бұрын
@@ratzelbarreto2070 I also have quite a lot in WoW, but Starcraft is a different story.
@unchartedrocks1
Жыл бұрын
How do u find out your APM???? Some program?
@busTedOaS
Жыл бұрын
a large aspect of it is flicking through control groups real fast (422424154 etc) to see unit health, cooldown, production queues etc. it does not even count as actions, but it does give you important information.
@fyregus
Жыл бұрын
“Warm up your hands” Arthritis knocking on the door~
@Demoinsete
11 ай бұрын
carpal tunnel tho
@fyregus
11 ай бұрын
@@Demoinsete oops
@speakertrees
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. You got it. It's just being ready really, imo. "stay on your toes"
@jeremylutzel9140
Жыл бұрын
It's called Adderall...🤣
@postpwnmalone
10 ай бұрын
Bro they're on that Yaba pack
@kaiser2261
11 ай бұрын
Its so that at the end of the game your opponent trembles in fear upon seeing your incredible speed
@bovinepro8075
Жыл бұрын
yeah you are right alot of the APMS when you are talking about 600 APM or 500 APM or 400 APM are probably redundant or race inflated (zerg larva selection etc) but from 50 all the way to 300 APMs is very very relevant for player speed and to be able to multi task. SC2 suffers from look away for one moment and lose all your worker syndrome. Pros program in camera locations and pull their worker immediately for example. Effective APMS are more important than total APMS but APM is still important. It isn't always make or break like with an FPS but it sure can come close with marine micro/splits and stuff like that
@Andre_-lHl-_Carmona
Жыл бұрын
It enhances muscular memory
@DordiHOTS
4 ай бұрын
High APM is a result of having control groups created, when you press 1 2 3 or 4 it corresponds with buildings, and you can produce units from your buildings while fighting your opponent on two different fronts, all while expanding your base, so since there is so much going on, their ARM will be high, somtimes they spam select or just look over their building production as a habit, it might be deemed as useless but realistically it is habit, awareness and production.
@ZC.Andrew
Жыл бұрын
Even the random clicks and movements are not wasteful if they keep the fingers warm and the mind alert. Maybe it's the same kind of thing as boxers weaving during a fight. Would you call that constant movement waste? I guess it depends what the actions are doing outside the game itself.
@anthonygarcia2585
Жыл бұрын
The keyboards with the satisfying clicks That’s why APM is high
@faustomadebr
4 ай бұрын
Half of their APM is useless... Half of ours are also useless and we make poor decisions. High APM is important.
@ZoeylaRose
11 ай бұрын
3rdly and most importantly if I just do the commands do train units every 3 sec I don't need to watch if those commands do something I just press the keys and if I have the money I build units if not I just do it the next time I press the keys
@yummychips_
Жыл бұрын
I don't want to be that guy, but I won't check out your channel. You said, pro's don't need high apm... then literally define why pros have high apm and why it is useful... thats very counter intuitive. EDIT: I forgot to mention, its rythem based, which is what your trying to say. Unfortunately that isn't what is conveyed.
@Entropic0
Жыл бұрын
I don't think this is accurate. APM is a proxy for reaction speed. Reaction speed is extremely important and tightly correlated with performance in SC2. APM is spammed so that you can learn to do basic actions in the game as fast as possible, such as switching hotkeys or selecting units. This "spam" is not useless as it trains your ability to perform these actions rapidly, which decreases your reaction latency. Milliseconds matter in SC2 -- they are the difference between a baneling connecting or being focus-fired. Someone with reliably lower action latency will be netting higher yields in every macro and micro action they take, which adds up all game long. Eventually their lead is exponential, they are so far ahead that the lead in and of itself causes a larger lead, which is where they've won the game.
@CollaborationNation
10 ай бұрын
All the OG professional SC gamers now suffer from carpal tunnel.
@havu2236
6 ай бұрын
Some players now have it. I think Clem, Cure, or Maru has that issue.
@bankutsuuzumaki8534
5 ай бұрын
watch Serral of Clem play very few clicks are wasted!
@Gator771
Жыл бұрын
A lot of the mass input spamming is to ensure a command goes through at the earliest possible frame. Since the game has basically no input buffer, any form of lag or mistiming on the exact frame makes the cooldown effectively longer. i.e mistiming a 1 second cooldown by 1 frame 60 times makes you have 1 less cast of that ability)
@Varuga
Жыл бұрын
Most pro level gamers use rapid fire for creep spread, unit production (Especially for zerg and protoss), etc in SC2. It is the main reason why APM gets inflated and gives the notion that they are spamming. Rapid-fire can push up to 1000APM or more depending on the settings. Most of the time, pros are spamming in the beginning of the game to warm up their hands and get in the groove if you will. Moving screens around and spamming clicks, etc. During engagements you rarely see them just spamming one hot key to get a spell out.
@ToTheNines87368
Жыл бұрын
I remember a noticeable climb in my own skill when I forced myself to play faster than I was comfortable with, basically on the verge of making many small mistakes, but eventually I got more and more comfortable with the pace. I’m of the idea that having 10 actions where 6 are useless are better than 3 actions. Maths lol. Still it’s better to focus on the basics in the beginning rather than speed. If you’re in low diamond with 400 APM then you should probably try and figure out what you’re doing wrong.
@majormononoke8958
Жыл бұрын
Why would you have 400 apm? To high apm is literally bad for your health, even dumber when you realize that 99.99 procent of players will never reach a level that 400apm would give them a benefit. Even if we assume that they are doing the good apm and not just spamming keys to inflate their ego. But forcing you to play faster, really can increase your apm for sure.
@CyRxJustin
10 ай бұрын
I experienced the exact opposite. I was watching Day9 play one time and I noticed that even though he was doing more than I was on the screen, he seemed so chill and deliberate while I felt stressed and sloppy. I forced myself to try to slow down and try to get 1 action = 1 command instead of spamming right click six times to tell a unit to move. Focused on accuracy instead of speed, and I had a huge spike in rank. When I was spamming commands, my average APM was around 250 and there was no spare time to add more stuff to do. When I slowed down, things were less chaotic and I had more time to dedicate to more multitasking. Now, I hover around 180 APM on average and I feel so much more in control.
@densai89
Жыл бұрын
Pros do it to warm up, then kick into overdrive during intense moments. Opponent rushes you 3 minutes into the game. Me: My hands are getting tired. Am I going to die?
@rooky3526
Жыл бұрын
Difference between a pro player and a casual. Think of it like this, football/soccer players play for 90 minutes running up and down the field. You're typical joe schmoe can barely last 5 minutes. Same with your example, your hands cramping up is because you haven't trained to make a career out of this.
@JakeGittes84
Жыл бұрын
This video is only relevant for the first few minutes of the game.
@zackrodriguez6653
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, brother.
@nerdingout322
22 күн бұрын
Speed versus utilization. My spazz of a terran buddy loves to rage out and go fast he averages 245apm. Beat him with an APM of 40 through a methodical and dubious plan using Dark Templars. Na adan Adun! For Artanis! We may be few but we are many! Shakuras fortify our minds and body.
@edward3190
Жыл бұрын
Have no idea. the faster you click, the more attack your units do.
@SilverHand-fu1jn
Жыл бұрын
Im new. My apm is like only 80 . I feel like if my apm was 120 it would be enough. My only problem right now is i sometimes forget to queue unit while fighting 😂 and trool slitting
@drewskiwest5284
4 ай бұрын
high APM is typically padded... meaning, flying through hotkeys like 1 2 3 4 5, click on a unit and moving it 10000 times to the same spot. or a unit producing building and you set rally a million times while cycling through other buildings doing the same thing. thus padding the APM the ONLY time APM matters is during a battle against opponent or doing multi task operations such as microing vs opponent while macroing back home at base, or defending base from drops/harass and while you're attacking. this video is quite a waste...
@cmdreteri7791
4 күн бұрын
Sounds to me like they haven't optimized their play against repetitive strain injury. Maybe they should get good at having a lasting career as a player.
@cosmanvalentin3467
Жыл бұрын
Why Do StarCraft 2 Pros Have Such a High APM? Because they spam :)))) ... I`m dia 3 zerg ~150 apm and i beat frequently 200-230 apm guys. Apm is nothing, you will increase it naturally after many games, at the beginning in early games, over time all the game. Bye ^^
@gizmobrooch8577
26 күн бұрын
I feel like many pros lose pro matches in sc and sc2 because 50% of their clicks are nearly useless lmao. Like they get fatigued faster. Then again Most pros do this.
Getting fast with a lot of "spamming"in the beginning gives you a faster rhythm. This provides effectiveness in the execution of the actions you will need in the harder phases of the game.
@christianresel8051
10 ай бұрын
you call that high? their actualy slow compared to world record holder but ok XD Also nope, its totaly useless. Its the same why certain SMYI speedrunner click mindless on buttons during loading. Its a way to release stress, nothing more. And even then its useless most of the time.
@Geminei
2 ай бұрын
I immediately change video when i see people doing this. Its annoying to see screen flicker every 5 seconds for them to do fuck all cause they already did it 20 clicks ago. No thanks.
@gasser5001
3 ай бұрын
TLDR, spamming 2 buttons when the actions aren’t even available. It’s why I hate sc pros. Button mashers to the extreme.
@HerzioMP
Ай бұрын
When I see these things, I think of Turkey's Olympic shot put runner-up and I get a little less overwhelmed.
@OveeeeeeR
Жыл бұрын
Бассет, выходи, я тебя узнал!
@EsportsStoryteller
Жыл бұрын
Да
@dgasg4304
Жыл бұрын
i knew it :) lol
@jjs6568
9 ай бұрын
It's just practice and muscle memory. I had an average of 230 APM when I was a fourteen year old. Because all I did was play that game
@majormononoke8958
Жыл бұрын
Non sense, sure you dont need such high apm for all stages of the game or even for what they do. But it sure helps to do it faster, do more damage, keep units longer alive or keep your speed constant. So in short you need it to keep up on the top level. That applies only if you are actually multitasking and not just pressing some hotkeys to inflate your apm for your ego, while having no actual skill. Actually using your apm efficient and to actually get an advantage, that is when apm does matter. As such this video only applies for all those people that clowns.
@humbertoblanco8656
Жыл бұрын
Zerg players: z key goes brrrrr
@Demoinsete
11 ай бұрын
t key goes brrrr tho
@hoofhearted4
19 күн бұрын
I'm not casual to care about being good. Hence I don't play PvP. Just coop and campaign.
They say it keeps the pace for the later game too. If you start slow you potentially stay slow.
@NeilsonBuntowa
3 ай бұрын
playing fast paced games always took the enjoyment from me. I like slower paced and bask in every details of the game.
@HanLee-j1c
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂imagine thinking 300apm is alot😅😅😅 play the real starcraft and stay away from easy sc2
@chancelange
6 сағат бұрын
I think my brain hears the sound even when its not turned on 😂
@eekkokoko5284
3 ай бұрын
Playing starcraft 2 ranked is only stressful the first 10 000 games, then it gets more chill :D
@JSs586
Жыл бұрын
Even half of their APM means 3-4 clicks per second throughout the entire game, not for me still
@varentou5993
6 ай бұрын
It's dumb. Got beyond master with like 90 APM on average.
@maxwell7470
3 ай бұрын
honestly at a certain point is just like an accounting job, and i can say that as a Dimond terran and master zerg, F protoss ajajajajajj jk jk
@nfzeta128
Жыл бұрын
Beyond just warming up hands, keeping up with the rapid info dumps the spamming gives you keeps your brain in high gear.
@Footsoldier1234
Ай бұрын
Console players who think they are good: "WhAt iS ApM?"
@thtupid
2 ай бұрын
of course I spam! What's the point of a 300 aud keyboard if you dont use it eh?
@angelofdeath7207
2 ай бұрын
I mean you can see in the video the guy is constantly changing where his units move he isnt clicking the same spot over and over
@nathanbyrne9457
5 ай бұрын
300 apm is insane. But then I watched Rayner and could second hand carpool tunnel
@mastercoolguy2809
7 ай бұрын
I want to see a pro Starcraft player do a game of age of empires 2, they would suffer from the pathfinding
@eeeeeeeeebatitupalkata6011
7 ай бұрын
Добър подкаст, но да знаеш, че не съм доволен, че си излязъл от форма!
@the_imonem
16 күн бұрын
You need to warm up your hands and get ready for karpal tunnel syndrome
@jakovmatosic4890
Жыл бұрын
I mean, eapm is a thing, and some people have some real high eapm
@icecream6256
Ай бұрын
When you want a 300 apm but then you got supply blocked at 36
@damiann4734
Жыл бұрын
Says someone who never won championship of sc2.
@EsportsStoryteller
Жыл бұрын
Well I once won a local LAN in my homecountry (Basset was my previous ID) - liquipedia.net/starcraft2/RFCS_Open_Cup . I'm also in GM since 2016
@damiann4734
Жыл бұрын
@@EsportsStoryteller local LAN! that bring back memories lol
@mastyer0fReality
Жыл бұрын
I'm D rank in brood war and have about 140 apm if I'm going fast
@ragnarokda206
3 ай бұрын
It's rhythm and momentum that's important.
@Hatch585
Жыл бұрын
This guy has 50apm and is camping in Silver League since 2010😂😂
@jomareyd.parreno5112
10 ай бұрын
Oh i know the reason why i watch Faker stream i could get a epilepsi or stroke
@vxpx1184
Жыл бұрын
What was reason number 2? Your articulation is a bit mumbled.
@Gewinnerhastdue
Ай бұрын
I still play with the arrow keys…😅 I’m in plat
@inserctivoro
Жыл бұрын
In one match I see serral acount of apm 😂😂😂 1800 xddd
@dexcal8009
Жыл бұрын
wtf is APM?
@EsportsStoryteller
Жыл бұрын
Actions per minute
@gngrdano8556
10 ай бұрын
because they spam 4-1-4-1-4-1 for no reason most of the time
@louseveryann2181
Жыл бұрын
Well, I know one thing. I will never play that game that way.
@YuYuYuna_
4 ай бұрын
" most of the clicks are pointless and only half are good" Spoken like someone that has never played SC2 at a high level. Yes SOME of the clicks are redundant but most of them are not. Clicking to slightly reposition army units, cancelling extra units in macro cycles or adding new ones, hitting upgrades, expanding, building defenses, etc. It's not random pointless clicks.
@EsportsStoryteller
4 ай бұрын
I’ve been gm Zerg since 2016
@Blernster
4 ай бұрын
For the first few minutes it's literally pointless spam just to warm up the hands and or bonner
@VitaILetum
4 ай бұрын
@@EsportsStoryteller i reached high ladder a long time ago before quitting - and my honest thought its that you kinda need the "useless APM" you have long term thought, short term, reaction, and muscle memory, and start of game commitment (build order).. In order to preform some of those actions in unison require the hands to already be in motion but the warm-up the hands bit was something we all have been saying since BW : personally I think its just a habit we get into early game but some of it gets used almost immediately especially since the worker change - scout active and alive + early building + any early game pressure (first 1-3 units) and even then you have to consider the high difference in a practiced 1a player or a 1a,2a,3a player for army control.
@qianyifan-nl6kd
5 ай бұрын
I play protoss,I just don't use keyboard 😂
@d.b.5070
7 ай бұрын
Because they pad their apm. Next question.
@justinweaver7029
2 ай бұрын
My zerg apm is like 300, my toss apm is like 100
@painter_moryakov1032
Жыл бұрын
Бассет?!!ого вот это английский
@EsportsStoryteller
Жыл бұрын
Да это я
@nunyabizwacks6711
10 ай бұрын
because they honed that skill on broodwar first lol
@tsundude4320
Жыл бұрын
APM... Actual pointless maneuvers
@Jethorus
Жыл бұрын
Did anyone else used to watch the Day 9 Daly vids to train for StarCraft
@EsportsStoryteller
Жыл бұрын
I did
@Jethorus
Жыл бұрын
@@EsportsStoryteller 🙌. Such a good time
@mytoOSRS
Жыл бұрын
first dude didn't use camera locations XDDDDDD
@DamienNightmarish
8 ай бұрын
Because of stimpack.
@xt3
5 ай бұрын
Basset? Are you?😂
@djarendee9083
7 ай бұрын
APM is the stupidest thing that ever happened.
@deathcraft2299
Жыл бұрын
alg
@nalle8305
3 ай бұрын
Aaaaannndddd where is gaming it this? 😁
@Maichd2847
Жыл бұрын
I support your channel for the most part but this is straight up wrong - yes some pros waste apm superfluously but the top players truly do make every movement count. There’s a reason why there’s only 2-3 GMs with APM less than 200 on the NA server. Micro makes a difference
@EsportsStoryteller
Жыл бұрын
Well, there's one important distinction to be made - StarCraft 2 counts both APM and EAPM, where the latter refers to "Effective Actions Per Minute" and it doesn't count any repetitve actions. EAPM is around the same for most pros - it ranges from 120-200, and it's indeed a crucial factor for success. As for APM, the range here is even bigger - from 100 to 400 and even 600-700 with rapid fire commands. A player with 150 APM with 120 EAPM can outplay a player with 300 APM and 120 EAPM. It's often the case between Protoss and Zerg, the latter usually have more APM than other races due to the specifics of how their larva economy works.
@yinitialize4930
Жыл бұрын
half of it is still going to be 150apm atleast
@rustamibr5048
11 ай бұрын
unnecessary clicking != apm.
@mr.afrikaans1747
5 ай бұрын
Have you ever wondered whyyouresogay?
@CodeDashie
11 ай бұрын
I'm in masters and infrequently pass 200 apm (basically no spam). At least I know an actual reason why other people almost always pass 300+ apm now lol. Might try spamming more to see if it makes a difference.
@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n
11 ай бұрын
>im in masters >made team masters a few times in placements 200 apm is minimum for a zerg using harassement and not just macro play
@CodeDashie
11 ай бұрын
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n nah I made masters in teams several years ago I know it's not difficult. I mean masters in 1v1 as protoss to clarify. I just ended up building a habit of being particular with how I spend my apm
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