* searches * yeah, I imagined you did one for the Wolvie.. Well Im eager to see your take on the original Shadow Hawk You got tons of mechs to make content for and Im ALL here for it!
@wowerdude38
7 ай бұрын
There is another....
@cobalt968
7 ай бұрын
275 mafia forever!
@catboxvideo
7 ай бұрын
sniff ... my original heavy scout corps ... 2 wolv 1 griff 1 ph... but hey there were only what 10 ... 15 mechs to work with- well OK we did a lot of customizing and designing ... but the originals i still so Iconic and I tend to gravitate to them if i need a chassis to modify and refit as a hero mech or bbg as i figure now that they have in cannon been being produced for 100s of years and in tt they have been around for 40 , i figure there is probable the skeleton of at least one of them on every planet ... so you should be able to find one to work with ... mind you I also used this as an excuse to add flaws and quirks --- well 8 of the 10 hs in your engine work.... or no that arm cannot support full armor or more than ___ tons of weapons due to is damage or that arm can only ark to blank facing due to shoulder damage. that way even the highly customed cannot be perfect to begin with... rebuild it with newer parts through out your campaign. fine. new out of the box to begin with, not likely. I had one player decide that it was his family mech that his grandfather had been shot out of and he put it back together and made it his over arcing goal (that drove a lot of plot - a good and well used back story) to retore the mech to as new as possible ...
@Hasteaguy
7 ай бұрын
My Lancemate's absolute favorite Mech. He prefers the GRF-1S in MW5. Loadout of an SRM6, PPC, and 2 SLAS. He runs around cutting legs off, blasting cockpits out, and punching whatever is left.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
"What is best in life?" "running around cutting legs off, blasting cockpits out, and punching whatever is left."
@malusignatius
7 ай бұрын
It's solid, simple and does it's job with efficiency and grace. The Griffin doesn't need to be fancy, it just does the job and does it well.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Well put.
@TheOntos
7 ай бұрын
You don't want the Griffin jumping by reflex and cooking the Archon on the throne...
@cobalt968
7 ай бұрын
Everyone cheers at the “I am Jade Falcon” maneuver, but suddenly a Lyran palace guard wants to invent the “Free Skye Forever” maneuver and suddenly everyone’s stripping jump jets from iconic mechs.
@SHDW-nf2ki
7 ай бұрын
Where would they even jump to indoors anyway?
@TheOntos
7 ай бұрын
@@SHDW-nf2ki reflexes. That means they're acting before thinking about things like, "What's next to my feet? What's over my cockpit?"
@ThelemicPotter
7 ай бұрын
@@SHDW-nf2ki it's been forever, but I feel like the piece of art inferred the throne room was more than ample for a 3 hex jump. Like a hanger you build leopard dropships in. But it's been a VERY LONG time
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Hey... sometimes you just have to fly.
@scytheseven9173
7 ай бұрын
lmao at "the crate of Alaric-themed bobble heads that no one seems to want" 😂
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
These dang things are going to end up in the basement next to the POGS and Beanie Babies...
@atmosdwagon4656
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog Hey now. I can at least find people still doing POG tournaments in Hawaii (where the game originated before it became yet another 90s fad, admittedly). I can't find ANYONE sticking up for Super Incest Man.
@alexanderwhite298
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog the Griffen having all the weapons on one side is intended. It forces pilots to torso twist.
@catboxvideo
7 ай бұрын
@@alexanderwhite298 plays Twist and Shout and do the Twist over the PA on repeat when in combat.... ah to have Steiner money
@Spartaner251
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog maybe you can trade them in for some mostly functioning urbis at discount dan?
@NegTharayas16
7 ай бұрын
The GRF-1MF reminds me of a roided-up pheonix hawk. Nice.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Heh. There's some imagery.
@sim.frischh9781
7 ай бұрын
This mech is a beloved classic, ironically my personal favorite artwork is the rather new "Primitive Griffin" version. Weapon loadouts are mostly consistant with the theme of the mech, but often leave it vulnerable to being charged and engaged at close range. Your MF variant finally adresses that properly, but the "Sparky" variant is a good take on this as well.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I just had to include Sparky 2.0. It would just be fun.
@sim.frischh9781
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog No quesiton, it´s a fun mech, and 5 medium lasers are a solid punch against most targets.
@georgesulea
7 ай бұрын
A staple of Battletech, and a classic. Thank you for this one Sir.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Rarely the MVP, but usually a quality producer. Thanks for coming by. Have a great weekend!
@Bomfunker91
7 ай бұрын
One of the quintessential mechs of Succession Wars-era Battletech. Do you need mobile fire support on a relatively affordable and tough body? Look no further than the lovable Griffin. The 6S Griffin is one of my favourite mech variants in the whole game; I would argue it's the perfect IS-tech medium mech of the later eras.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Do you need... Yes.
@tenchraven
7 ай бұрын
Ah, the Griffin. My personal favorite is the -4N, but your custom is a nasty little.. uhm... MechFrogger. The -1RG is such a unicorn that it's retconning can be forgiven for such a excellent configuration- more of those, paired with -1Ns, would have made for excellent fighting pairs. Out of the the "Trinity", it is the Ringo Star (and the Dervish is the 4th member of the Trinity, the George Harrison as it were). Completely earns its reputation as a classical mech (fire support is a lot like drummers :P ).
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Heh. More of the Trinity soon...
@MagNight
7 ай бұрын
I taught a friend how to play Classic Battletech with the Griffin (and a Wolverine across from it), and the tutorial match ended with simultaneous kills between the PPC and an incoming alpha strike. We've been playing on the regular ever since.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
That's awesome, though I think I prefer the Wolverine. :D
@Cobalt-60
7 ай бұрын
No GRF-1S? The sole production variant in the field for much of the Succession Wars! My 3028 10th Donegal Guards have one in their Fire Lance accompanying a Longbow, an Archer-2S, and a Hatchetman.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
It's a solid one.
@SoloAxlion
7 ай бұрын
Think the -1S is also one of the probably rare examples of "Griffin with the missile pod on the left" variants.
@cale42
7 ай бұрын
Took a 1N into a Succession Wars era fight. Jumped atop the walls of an outpost. Got shot to hell for sticking my head up, but intact enough to execute a DFA on an enemy Light Mech. Which didn't kill it, irritatingly enough. Also managed to go toe-to-toe with a Wolverine IIC with a 4N. Just enough armor, mobility, and heat sinks to make that fight last way longer than the Conjurer's Pilot wanted, both mechs trying to jump around and get a shot at that rear armor. Match ended before either unit could win that duel, however.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
When you DFA a light mech and don't kill it... "hello darkness my old friend...."
@stormcrow28
7 ай бұрын
I like the Griffin 2N built for the Star Leauge Royal Divisions. It carries an ER PPC, two SRM-6s with Artemis and one ton of ammo for each, Endo Steel and Ferro, 13 DHS, and ten tons of armor. It's a great interdictor and close combat skirmisher that can snipe if needed.
@NekoboyBlue
7 ай бұрын
2N's essentially a bulked up panther. It's a Lostech premium (until the helm memory core) but a good platform for ranged poke and crit seeking wounded opponents.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
The 2N is solid though I generally don't bring up the Royals in the videos for petty personal reasons.
@maliceharding4668
6 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog what are those reasons
@lexington476
7 ай бұрын
23:42 we are all here to provide you with positive affirmation and to keep you on the straight and narrow 🙂.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Ahhh.... That's the good stuff...
@mikealpha2611
7 ай бұрын
The weakness of 1 side weaponry is also the strength of the 1 side weaponry. It means if that side dies you lose all firepower but it also creates the "shield" side that is popular with some mechwarriors.
@LoneWolf-rc4go
7 ай бұрын
Having played a lot of Mechwarrior Online I can attest to the benefits of utilising the shield side tactic.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
While that does work to some extent in MWO/MW, I don't think it's as strong an argument on tabletop.
@mikealpha2611
7 ай бұрын
@MechanicalFrog it is not strong on tabletop but for lore u can see the explanation
@WarhawkTalon
5 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog It would probably be a viable reason if torso twisting affected the location roll.
@ambientlight3876
7 ай бұрын
The Griffin is my favorite of the three classic mediums. Only vulnerable up close, its PPC alone outguns the other 2 'mechs. As for its two primary weapons on the right side: I agree, engineers should easily be able to move the missile launcher to the other Torso.
@RobertMooney-g1z
7 ай бұрын
move the ppc instead, easier than refitting a torso
@Vulpine407
7 ай бұрын
The Griffin was one of the original 'mechs that just "clicked". Good armor, good speed, good maneuverability, good range, good damage output... About the only flaws in the original version is a lack of close-in weaponry (and even that is mitigated by the fact that the Griffin can jump to open the range up, even in an urban battlefield) and that it is prone to overheating badly. Especially when it jumps. But among the original 55 ton mechs in the first TRO, (Griffin, Shadowhawk, Wolverine) -the Griffin really is the better choice in nearly all combat environments. Small wonder the Lyrans love it so. Edit: Yes, I failed to mention the Scorpion from the original TRO's medium mechs. That was deliberate. Until the advent of the advanced rules for quad-legged mechs, the Scorpion was even worse than the Shadowhawk. Now, once those rules were added, the Scorpion was a bit better, but still nothing compared to a Griffin.
@SlenderNSK
7 ай бұрын
Kinda surprised you didn't mention 2N. It's a weird, yet fun SLDF variant trading long range missiles for SMR punch
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
It still owes me $15 from a bet we made back in college. When it pays up, it'll get a mention.
@AlexDenton0451
7 ай бұрын
The Griffin 1RG is one of my personal favorites. I find a lot of the time I prefer a fast brawler, since it deals tons of damage at point blank for low heat. The zombie mech factor helps too. Its also the cheapest BV wise, as Jump Jets make it so much more expensive!
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Cheap, but at what cost... *Dreaming of flight*
@AlexDenton0451
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog cheap, and it has MGs and small lasers. While those are niche, on a mech made to brawl they absolutely do the job. Dealing a scatter of 10 damage in combination with the 4 main lasers for only 2 extra heat lets you crit seek and lay into the enemy. Just don't forget to drop one of the two MG ammo bins.
@brettwerdesheim9767
7 ай бұрын
About time got to the 55 ton holy trinity
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Only just begun...
@brettwerdesheim9767
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog still liked to see the 1s get the variant spotlight but I guess having the RG is bit funnier
@piprdakota
7 ай бұрын
A mechwarrior in the griffin has such great visibility to the front and left of the mech!
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Front...and to the Left... Front...and to the Left... Front...and to the Left...
@Athlon2736
7 ай бұрын
Love the video, sad that no ine ever seems to talk about my favourite version of my favourite mech, the Griffin-2N. Keep up the good work.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Shucks. Maybe next time.
@Tigerheart01
6 ай бұрын
7:28 Holy crap you just FINALLY answered the reason for that classic picture of the Lyran throne flanked by two Griffins! I always thought how weird it was to put two highly mobile mechs with exclusively long range weapons into a relatively confined room like that! I didn't realize that variant existed!
@MechanicalFrog
6 ай бұрын
Glad I could clear that up.
@paralykeet-
7 ай бұрын
I love the Griffin because taken alongside the Thunderbolt and Awesome- it's a perfect 'Mech for helping new players wrap their head around the game. It also belongs to the trinity of 55 ton Skirmishers that should never be underestimated, in spite of all their quirkyness. They serve to show players the point of opportunity cost, and reward creative play.
@Kingofdragons117
7 ай бұрын
I like the Griffin MF. But I would swap out the two Light PPCs for a Snub Nose PPC, give Artemis to the MML9, and either throw in an ER medium laser or a Small X Pukse laser.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I considered that but there is a Word of Blake Griffin that runs the SNPPC and I didn't want to copy.
@NegTharayas16
7 ай бұрын
I think the LRM pack was an issue with the first design, and the designers were stuck with it because clan omnimechs had not yet destroyed the concept of "the mini mostly matches most variants"
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I'm prepared to accept, "It had to be this way because we lack the skill to do it right," as an excuse.
@websterleone
7 ай бұрын
I use a weird Griffin variant in MechWarrior: Destiny that's got souped-up 4xMLs and LRM-10 along with a bunch of other mods it got over time as a sort of "hero" variant, but I wouldn't have a clue how that all shakes out into proper Battletech, including its added shield for brawling with. But I've been having fun with the Griffin even since the beginning, though having the freedom of running it in an actual RPG that allows flexibility and creativity beyond "shoot/punch, compare numbers" probably helps. E.g. despite all that I never cared for it in HBS BT.
@strcmdrbookwyrm
7 ай бұрын
Good video, but I feel like a few of my favorites were left out. But that's a bit unavoidable. I can't wait to see the videos for the Shadow Hawk and Wolverine. Especially the Wolverine, it doesn't get enough love. I'm going to throw out my own custom Griffin, but I'm going to warn you all that this will contain some fluff and a bit of homebrew tech that I'm still fine-tuning. So just be ready for a mini-essay. The Griffin SD uses a endo-steel structure as a base, built around a 275 Re-engineered fusion engine. The RFE weighs 2/3 of a standard engine but takes 9 slots instead of 6, divided evenly between all three torsos. With the extra CT space, the SD is able to keep a Double Heat Sink and Jump Jet, with the last slot being given to a medium laser. The LRM 10 is upgraded to a LRM 15, with the PPC remaining untouched. The LRM was also given an extra ton of ammo, but all the ammo was moved to the left torso and protected by CASE. A Small Laser is added to the head, and the Jump Jets are untouched. Finally, two tons of armor are added, with most of it being concentrated on the torsos. The fluff for my design was that it was a collaboration between Defiance Industries and Sandstone Heavy Industries, the company I list all my custom mechs under. Sandstone wanted to gauge if the Inner Sphere would be interested in the Re-Engineered Fusion Engine, with the collab being a experiment to gauge that (and why it's called the SD). The results were lukewarm at best. No one could see any real merit to the engine, and sales were poor. After the first production run, Defiance quietly swept the Griffin SD under the rug and pretended like it never happened.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
-Keeping Jump Jets -Emotional Support Small Laser It has what I need.
@covahredro8370
7 ай бұрын
The Griffin was one of the first Mech I ever played on the Table top(along with a Catapult, Hollander and couple others light mechs I don't remember). They weren't mine but a friends who was trying to get me into the game, which I never did(I was big into Yugioh back then, so it took up more of my interests as well as money). The match I did play didn't go too well as I faced off against a star of Nova Cats. But I did manage to score a couple of kills and cripple or severely damage others before being taken down. Largely due to using the Catapult as meat shield, which didn't last long(about two to three turn I think)still got off a couple of volleys of LRMs to soften them up. As well as using the light mechs as cannon fodder rushing in(one never even got in range to fire its weapons). The Griffin with its PCC and the Hollander with its Gauss Rifle did most of the work with some very lucky shots before being cored.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Fighting Clan mechs in your first game... boy they had it out for you!
@calumdeighton
7 ай бұрын
The Griffin is one of those Mechs I really don't like. I'm good with the Shadowhawk & Wolverine. But the Griffin just doesn't do it for me. It's pretty mobile, but just doesn't have enough firepower for me. It's lack of armour as well just compounds my probs with it. I can pilot one, just don't like it, and I'd up gun it as much as possible if given the chance.
@timebrain3188
6 ай бұрын
ngl, I love this mech for probably dumb reasons. I don't know why, but I just love how it looks. I'm not super into sniper mechs for the most part, but this is probably my biggest exception. That said, think my favorite video is the Royal 2N. Having watched your Marauder vid not too long ago, I get why you don't really like them, and frankly do kinda agree on the sentiment for the most part. Battletech is not 40k, and it's good seeing tech develop into different paths if not surpass what was around back in the Star League days after things started to recover in the late Succession Wars (and earlier for the Clans of course). That SAID, god I love how the 2N looks with the second missile pod, adds a bit of symmetry to the design that I love, and admittedly love the fact it's not a straight sniper but something that can hit far while still being a threat up close. Makes me wish more of the variants developed from the 2N. Hell, part of me thinks it makes more sense that the IIC Griffin was based more on the 2N, since it feels like going from two missile pods one on each side to four with two on each side makes more sense than going from one pod to four... but that's just me. Plus, given the fact the clans turned the Phoenix Hawk into a gods damn assault mech, I suppose crazier changes have happened.
@WolfHreda
7 ай бұрын
Literally the only improvement the GRF-1N needs is an ER-PPC and double heatsinks. Use the weight saved by dropping two heatsinks to bump up the armor, and maybe add a mini-fridge next to the command couch. Edit: My ideal Griffin customization is to slap a Light Engine into it, 10 double heatsinks, Ferro-Fibrous, an ER PPC, an LRM-15 with 2 tons of ammo in a CASE bin, and 3 medium lasers in the left torso. It's basically a faster, jump-capable Thunderbolt. Just watch that heat curve. It's basically the -6S without the fancy missile system and less laser heat. Ooh, the -1MF sounds like fun.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
You know you never just get a simple logical upgrade. :)
@mbr5742
6 ай бұрын
I would also add Artemis fire control to the LRM
@Dang_Near_Fed_Up
6 ай бұрын
"Ok, who requisitioned those substandard gyros?" You know there's not an engineer in the IS that will ever admit they can't read their slide rule. The REAL reason that all the weapons were on one side of the mech. That's my backstory for this atrocity, and I am sticking to it.
@spencerjones841
7 ай бұрын
Shame the improved cooling jacket quirk didn't translate over from the 1A to other designs. Along with the whole using LRM-5s albeit two of them in this case. Using the saved mass to add a medium laser to provide at least some close up punch. As for the LRMs being in the right Torso....I personally view it as gaining the ability to use the entire left arm and Torso as a shield to the rest of the mech ala the centurion's left arm
@HouseDavieMerc
7 ай бұрын
Excellent! Another Mechfrog Saturday morning cartoon! Thanks. The GRF-1RG is an interesting unit but rare. I think I would have covered the GRF-1S instead as it's a full production variant. The GRF-1N is an interesting mech for me. I don't think I've ever chosen it but I've rolled it on RATs quite a bit. It's always useful but it's focused weaponry limits it's use for me. A new player that I've been gaming with has had great success with the GRF-1N. I don't play cut throat with new guys and leave them some chances to take advantage of once in a while. First chance I gave him to get behind me he put a PPC through the rear torso of my untouched Archer2R and hit the ammo bin. The very next round he rolled an 11 to hit a Warhammer ,12 for location, and a 12 for the crit roll. Man he's got good dice luck. That 6D was expensive! Now he plays a Griffin in EVERY game.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Hah. That's great. Always nice when the first outing has one of those moments.
@CapnArrich
7 ай бұрын
Alaric Ward bobble heads. *Ollie's flashback* Thanks for the good laugh.
@matthewspencer2094
7 ай бұрын
The Griffin For when your secret heart wants a phoenix hawk, but you might actually end up in a battle someday
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Oh Phoenix Hawk... you gem.
@maliceharding4668
6 ай бұрын
@MechanicalFrog my favorite light mech
@scytheseven9173
7 ай бұрын
Keep in mind that prototype PPC generates 15 heat, so the GRF-1A's gonna overheat firing it, given the 11 heat sinks-but if it stays still and doesn't fire those LRMs, it at least won't suffer penalties
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Even with that cooling jacket? Edit: Ak! you're apparently right.
@scytheseven9173
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog it's easy to forget prototype PPCs run so hot, and it makes a lot of primitive designs seem quite odd because they appear to be heat-balanced for a normal PPC
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Yeh I don't deal with primitives at all in games. I'll have to write this on the white board on the wall so I don't forget. Thank you for pointing it out.
@scytheseven9173
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog I don't think anyone plays with 'em all too often, lol Maybe in the Blakist era, with its RetroTech craze? That's lore, though, not actual players. I'd be surprised if more than a handful of people have ever actually used a prototype PPC in an actual game.
@Eulemunin
7 ай бұрын
It can be a lot of to play with retro tech, teaches old timers that do play out of Succession war some new tricks.
@strategoslevel3456
7 ай бұрын
The Griffin GRF-1S is very popular with the 3025 gronads ;)
@mbr5742
6 ай бұрын
Solid bodyguard for a lance of Derwish
@strategoslevel3456
7 ай бұрын
Shame the metal Iron wind/Ral Partha Griffin 6S miniature is so rubbish! Very spindly
@FrostyThundertrod
6 ай бұрын
I just find that about the time in game you start getting 55ton mechs your also getting 60 and 65 ton mechs making them a hard sell unless you have to limit your drop tonnage
@cnkclark
7 ай бұрын
Piloted a Griffin 1N in the Mechwarrior TTRPG in my favorite 3025 lance composition ever: Griffin Phoenix Hawk Wolverine-M w/ the Large Laser Dervish I have never seen a Dervish deliver more consistently than in that game. Those missiles always hit their mark.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Solid classic crew.
@Spartaner251
7 ай бұрын
well, its faster to just give the mech to a lefty and have him pick up the ppc with the left arm of the mech than putting the whole LRM system in the left torso.
@unlimitedpower0
7 ай бұрын
Man, I love designs like the Griffin because to me a mech with so much history and such a niche spot on the field just makes my heart happy
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it has its fans.
@HalIOfFamer
7 ай бұрын
I like how it looks at 2:30. It has a depth to it. But the way it actually looks in games and in canon right now is really boring as hell.
@scytheseven9173
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! I quite like the MF variant, it works well for a sniper (and good job moving the missile launcher!)
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
"Did you make this video just so you could make an MF variant that moves the missile launcher?" Yes.
@JadeHarpy
7 ай бұрын
I actually love the Griffin, it was the mech that made Inner Sphere mechs click for me back when I played MW5 for the first time! And honestly I'm surprised you didn't mention the GRF-2N with its ER-PPC, 2 SRM-6 packs with Artemis IV, and Guardian ECM suite. Nasty Star League-era skirmisher that I had to include in my Jade Falcon Eyrie trinary full of SLDF mechs and second line Clan designs. Oh, and also the GRF-1S which actually fixed that dinky right-sidedness of the design by throwing an LRM-5 on the LT and including a large laser and two medium lasers on that right arm. You even had screenshots of it in the video! :P
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
The 2N is solid though I generally avoid the Royal Variants because of my petty personal grudge against their introduction to the timeline.
@BongoTurtles
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog I cannot agree enough with the sourness that comes with "royal regiment" tech, especially when it's shoehorned into the timeline.
@andrewszigeti2174
7 ай бұрын
Much like the Rifleman, the main appeal of the Griffin is nostalgia. One of the original ten BattleDroid (back before Lucas' lawyers got involved, much less Harmony Gold), it was a solid medium... so long as it's only competition was the Phoenix Hawk and Shadow Hawk. Once the 3025 TRO came out, it quickly became a bit... underwhelming.
@mbr5742
6 ай бұрын
Up to 60to there are few better units (a Crab comes close). The one real rival is the PPC equiped Dragon
@sharlin648
7 ай бұрын
Really good vid about the Griffin, the 1DS is grossly oversinked and that Griffin C is SCARY that's very mobile! I like the MF one too, different because it can give quite a slap but its unusual to see it with two long range energy weapons, but that's what you can do with LPPC's and a capacitor. Great stuff as always Mr Frog :)
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Thanks a ton! Hope we can find a time to play HellDivers2 with our wacky alternating schedules.
@MervDeGriff
7 ай бұрын
The Griffin has been the standard mech for the CO of the 42nd Mercenary company for a long time. As a mobile cavalry company the movement, range, and firepower suit the missions they take well. Eventually, they got their hands on a GRF-2N and the CO went ham with it. PPC fire and the salvos of SRM6 launchers up close is not a polite thing, nor was that empty left arm getting real punchy.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
It can definitely be a solid performer. And won't break the bank.
@Aceman52
7 ай бұрын
I like the Griffin MF. However, I would make one change. I would move 1 of the light PPCs to the left arm. That way, one shot won't destroy both of my primary weapons.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I considered that but figured having both in the Right Arm would keep to the Griffin aesthetic.
@defiantmechwarrior2397
7 ай бұрын
I'd go one light PPC each arm PPC capacitor. Lrm10 with art. Pair er small laser. Light engine with extra double heat syncs. Standard amount of JJ. Not following tonnage real close but I think that's within limits
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Could be quite fun. Not an entry level mech but in skilled hands it could be a menace.
@SpaceMarine4040
7 ай бұрын
Honestly I am not a fan of the Griffin, the royal version was good (2N, not the Steiner one) for actually trying to just use two separate launchers. But overall I just prefer Phoenix Hawks for fancy flying and being somewhat more expendable.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I think I would prefer having a Phoenix Hawk as well.
@gregbird5684
7 ай бұрын
Thanks M.F.😊 i am also a fan of the plasma rifle so i like the 4N😂
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
It's an interesting take on the mech, for sure.
@Ranalcus
7 ай бұрын
I was always thinking that the LEFT side is the one you have to SACRIFICE so the one with guns will not be damaged/destroyed So most of Griffins were always RIGHT ;3
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I've never been very moved by the, "just use the left side as a shield" argument.
@RCBashist
7 ай бұрын
The 1N is my favorite Griffin that I've played so far, though the 6S is pretty close. I'm all for the right side loadout and standard fusion engine, because they allow you to use the left side as a meat-shield. Position your left side towards the enemy, and torso-twist to fire. All XL variants lack this ability, so I'm very interested in trying the 3N version in a Dark Age game. It could easily become my favorite Griffin.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Worth a try.
@kevinmulkey9774
7 ай бұрын
IS Light Engines rule as shown with the 6S, and post FASA variants. But came out way later than they should have to mattered in old days. They fix so many issues without excessive liability. But came way to late timeline in the "old days". 8( Oh well new age of pain is upon us to use them if we want to avoid 3 slot IS XL engines. 8)
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
A fair critique.
@readwatchlisten2863
7 ай бұрын
Why do I love the Griffin? Because the Griffin understands its assignment. A long-range skirmish unit that can maneuver is the most combat terrain. But more importantly, the early Griffin is an example of a time when Mechs weren't "good" so to speak but had roles to fill with strengths and, more importantly, trade-offs. This is something that I feel started to disappear in later eras with new mechs and new variants. I will say to make the Griffin truly work, you need to have a pilot with a good GS, and SPAs like weapons master or range master to get the most out of it. Otherwise, expect to be whiffing a lot and eating heat for your troubles.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Very well put.
@michaelpfister1283
7 ай бұрын
I like the 1DS, but mine has an upgrade. The Large Pulse is replaced by a clan-tech variant taken as salvage in a 3050 campaign. With that little tweak it is a monster fire-support ‘mech.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Adding a CLPL to anything makes it much better. :D
@WeOnlyEatSoup
28 күн бұрын
Hang on, one of the first battlemechs in lore was tested in Yakima WA!? As a resident of that state I must say that's pretty freaking cool!
@MechanicalFrog
28 күн бұрын
Yep!
@aaronbosen6743
7 ай бұрын
The Griffin's just one of those mechs that's pretty decent overall for tabletop, but videogames that feature it keep inexplicably butchering. Mechwarrior online for example effectively turns it into a mech who's possible weapons loadout to heat balanced is optimized for close quarters but doesn't actually have the agility, armor coverage, ect of most other medium mechs.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Yeah the MWO/MW5 stuff is almost an entirely different animal these days.
@Brigand231
7 ай бұрын
A classic will always be a classic. One of the quintessential mobile medium mechs. The GRF-1S wasn't a bad variant either.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
When used correctly, it just works.
@cerberuscypher
7 ай бұрын
Ah it was my first mwo mech , so many lrm ppc builds
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Hope it was successful.
@EWYW3.
7 ай бұрын
I was wondering if/when you would showcase the LPPC w/ Capacitors. Finicky rules aside, it really is just a basic PPC for three tons less.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
It needed the spotlight. I've been warming to the LPPC as of late.
@_Nythim_
4 ай бұрын
I've just started collecting with the CGL Beginner box. It was great to learn about the Griffin whilst painting one!
@MechanicalFrog
4 ай бұрын
Nice! Welcome to the fray, Mechwarrior.
@carlwells9504
3 ай бұрын
You can use the fact the weapons are on the right to protect them by keeping adversaries to the other side and torso twisting to engage. This is possible with that excellent mobility. Also it exploits combatants going out of their way to try to get to the left side of the ranged Griffin. I do agree with having the ammo on the other side of the mech however just in case (pun intended) 😊
@MechanicalFrog
3 ай бұрын
All well and good in MWO and in lore, but on the tabletop it doesn't quite work that way.
@nono2645
7 ай бұрын
ahh the house stiener medium special lol
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Good times had by all.
@lukedudley5030
7 ай бұрын
Great vid as always :-) i never liked the griffin and much prefered the wolverine but recently i had a battle where the griffin killed 3 mechs including a stalker and won me the fight so my mind has been changed :-)
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
It's one of those quality producer teammates who never wins the MVP but does put points on the board consistently.
@paladinslash4721
7 ай бұрын
Love this mech. Sure it’s light on the armor, but mobility and range is it’s protection anyway.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Yep. Treat it like a light. Always Be Moving.
@KillerOrca
7 ай бұрын
Even in the future, Yakima refuses to both die and also stop being a military center. There's a huge Army base there to this day
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
The Palm Springs of Washington...
@Jackelmandingo
7 ай бұрын
It doesn't change the mechs BV if you move the weapons. So sticking the LRM into the other side is just time and cost.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I need a good mech tech who works for Oreos.
@cjsutherland2448
7 ай бұрын
Good stuff. Very nice mix of lore and tabletop talk. Positive affirmation all the way.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@randomnetsurfer
7 ай бұрын
So you could say that the Griffin 6S was ... "a 6S-ful upgrade"? ;-)
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I wish I could pin comments that weren't my own. This would win.
@jollyjohnthepirate3168
7 ай бұрын
Part of the 55 ton trio. Griffin, Wolverine and Shadow Hawk (yuck).
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Indeed...
@sebastiang.5032
7 ай бұрын
I just can't stop using Griffins in my games. They are so neat, so mediocre, so fun to play.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Quality producers but rarely MVP.
@smokeymoe842
7 ай бұрын
Check out an old anime called "Fang of the Sun: Dougram" , dats why I like!
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Ah yes... :D
@jasonfarley9025
7 ай бұрын
Gotta be honest here I find it really hard to get over the "all weapons on one side" issue Makes me like the MF version 'though!
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
As usual, if people just listened to me, everything would work a whole lot better. This isn't that much to ask.
@marshall104
7 ай бұрын
While all the weapons on one side is bad on table top, it is good in simulators, as it allows the pilot to "peak" around corners/obstacles to stay relatively safe and still be able to bring all their weapons at the enemy.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Eh.... it also means your enemies focus fire your weapon side whenever possible, so it balances out.
@TheBloodedCat
7 ай бұрын
Great vid as usual. I have to admit that I've never managed to run a griffin and feel like I got my BV worth out of it.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
It'll rarely be an MVP, but it usually does carry its weight.
@randomnetsurfer
7 ай бұрын
Also I really like the 1MF, despite the lack of a Plasma Rifle... 😂
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
That one glaring fault aside...
@odinulveson9101
7 ай бұрын
Love it! The more agile mech of the three brothers. Cant wait for Flea, Shadow Hawk, Banshee, Cougar, Mad Dog Mk II, III, IV IS Omnimechs like Raptor😆😉 Your custom variant is neat, sure having a focused offensive side makes targetibg easier, its donzo if lost. Also non gunned arm should be dedicated as PUNCHY(with melee upgrades)🤜💥 if losing the gunz. Gotta watch through all in this series, you are very unbiased though with some preferances and own variant takes, which I appreciate! I would myself make a Clan Omni Flea, Flea II etc
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
So many fun units to cover this year... not enough time.
@hideshisface1886
7 ай бұрын
I must admit, when I first saw the OG Griffin 1N, I was not really impressed. Just a PPC and LRM doesn't look overly impressive - even for relatively lightly armed Succession Wars mech standards. But I have learned to respect it. It is a pest of a mech. Hard to catch, hard to neutralise and just damaging enough so you can't really keep ignoring it. The only issue with it that I have is the vulnerability in close quarters - you can't always jump away from those pesky light mechs, right?
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Yeah it's definitely been dealing with that. It needs an emotional support small laser.
@cnkclark
7 ай бұрын
While I have only used the 1N Griffin to date, I really like the idea of swapping the LRM-10 for an SRM-6.
@BoisegangGaming
7 ай бұрын
The 1MF's lack of a plasma rifle is disappointing, but I'm a sucker for MMLs, so it balances out. Twin LPPCs with capacitors is actually pretty decent because you can choose between alpha striking and toggle-firing, which gives a lot of flexibility. A good mix of quantity or quality of particle blasts is nice.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
If I do Plasma Rifles every time, I get complaints.
@BoisegangGaming
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog and if you don't do plasma rifles, you get complaints. A catch 2d6 if I've ever heard one.
@h.a.9880
7 ай бұрын
The standard Griffin is already a pretty potent beast (albeit with questionable weapon placement), but I also really like the 1S variant. Sure, the oomph of a PPC and LRM-10 is pretty neat, so downgrading to a large laser and an LRM-5 seems a bit iffy, but those two medium lasers do come in handy.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Always nice to have a medium laser or two around in a clinch.
@h.a.9880
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog The Medium Laser is the workhorse-weapon of Battletech. It might not have the longest range or highest damage, but it has a really good damage/heat ratio and the range is more than enough to act in a brawl.
@nathangraham4551
7 ай бұрын
I’m gonna be honest, I’m not a Griffin enjoyer (not for lack of trying). Every time I fielded one I just found myself wishing I had a QuickDraw, an archer or a kintaro. However, two ppcs with capacitors…you had me intrigued but now you have my attention
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
"Wishing I had a Quickdraw" You are a unique person. Few wish this. :D
@nathangraham4551
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog woah woah woah, are you dissing the fastest particle spitter this side of the sphere? Tukayyid, high noon, be there bud ;D
@Kasperl88
7 ай бұрын
STORMCROW WHEN?
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I'd like to wait until I can get the high quality line art for it.
@MM22966
7 ай бұрын
Heck, I learned something today! I always thought the Grif was a ridiculous choice for a bodyguard mech for the Archons. I didn't realize they used a variant optimized fro close0in/anti-infantry fighting!
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Always fun when we learn something wild like that.
@MM22966
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrogI always saw that beautiful art of the Lyran throne room in white & blue with the Grifs flanking the throne and thought: "If somebody goes after the boss with a knife or pulls a gun, it's going to be safer to stomp on the bad guy than fire a PPC in that room...Where's a Locust when you need one!"
@thepiratepenguin4465
Ай бұрын
In the Battletech PC game, I re-equipped my Griffin by removing one of the jump jets, the PPC & the LRM 10 launcher & replacing it with 2x M-lasers 1x S-laser & 3x SRM 6 launcher as well as an extra heat sink & extra amour. It is a great scout & flanker in the PC game. The only other mech which I liked more is the Catapult K2.
@lexington476
7 ай бұрын
21:18 see now I know he definitely lost his plasma rifle griff, I mean sponsorship 😀... I was expecting the MF version to have two plasma rifles, four flamers, and two SRM-6s loaded with infernos 😎.
@lexington476
7 ай бұрын
Yep like you said, the MF is definitely a solid B- design 😀😃😄.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I have to zig every once in a while so you can't predictably call in fire support.
@Ironclockwork
7 ай бұрын
Ah, a Roundfacer in its natural habitat. Fang of the Sun Dougram jokes aside, it does seem very odd how... lopsided the Griffin's loadout is in its default configuration, especially considering how unoccupied the Griffin's left side is. I suppose the usual plan of attack is to keep the left side of the default Griffin facing the brunt of enemy fire as much as possible.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
I've never really liked that, "use the left side as a shield" rationale. Just put a medium laser in the left arm or something...
@Ironclockwork
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog I'm guessing you've got some quibbles with the Centurion as well then. :P
@riptors9777
7 ай бұрын
A bigger panther, only this one has cashed in all on long range weapons. The Griffin is sturdy, decently agile thanks to its jump jets, and packs a okay long range punch. But its weapons loadout leaves it rather defenseless in close combat, and a single PPC is not that scary on a medium mech... especially if you close the distance. The Griffon is a team player out of necesity, a okay fire support for a medium lances with great survivability (thanks to its armor and its position in the rear lines). Its also relatively cheap and readily available and thus easy to maintain. It pairs surprisingly well with Wolverines for example. As a merc commander you could do worse then a Griffin. It wont blow a hole in your budget, your techs wont hate you when it gets damaged and it will quickly get back on its feet and out of the repair bay. That being said: you could also do alot better then the griffin. Later on it gets a plethora of variants as mentioned in the video, ensuring that over the years you can count on encountering them on the fields of battle of the inner sphere, wich in turn means theres plenty of spare parts to go around. Finaly it also makes for a great mook enemy for new players to learn about exploiting minimum ranges.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
A Griffin for every want and need. Good to have around.
@riptors9777
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog Some of the variants are excellent trooper mechs. Only that most of them have very lobsided loadout locations is a bit iffy
@YalelingOz
3 ай бұрын
I've finally pulled my finger out and played Mechwarrior 5: Mercs, and found myself liking the GRF-1N more than I expected to. (Hence rewatching this vid again 4 months later.) It just keeps on trucking beyond what it's armour indicates. Now I own 3 of them, and 2 GRF-1 variants.
@sper1585
2 ай бұрын
Playing a coop, modded, HBS Battletech campaign, the Griffin and the newly acquired Nightstar are my brothers favorite mechs.
@TheStraycat74
7 ай бұрын
3050 full clan tech rebuild GRF-5A Griffin, 55 tons, 5/8/5 movement, XL + DHS, Endo-steel, 9.5tons Fero-Fiberous, standard cockpit and gyron leaving 26.5 tons of pod space. PRIME Config: 2 ERPPC r/la, 2 LRM-10 with a ton of ammo each r/lt, emotional support ERSL in the head, and 5 extra DHS. ALT-config: 2 Large Pulse Lasers r/la, 2 Streak SRM-4's with a ton of ammo each r/lt, 3 ERSL r/lt/h, and 5 additional DHS
@Eulemunin
7 ай бұрын
Obligatory negative comment. 😇😇😇😇 Love the work.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Oh no!
@fefo357
7 ай бұрын
I know now that you have psychic power and stole my griffin design from my brain, wearing a tinfoil hat from now on when i watch these videos. In all honesty wild seing someone had the same idea and slapped 2 L PPCs whit capacitors and a mml 9, tho i belive i went whit endo and light gyro or something, id have to check back what i actually did could have been a light engine but i dont remember that part.
@MechanicalFrog
7 ай бұрын
Great minds, perhaps.
@fefo357
7 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog indeed
@BrokenSeraphim
7 ай бұрын
Ah, the Griffin. My second favourite medium chassis. My own custom variant takes advantage of the tech obtained from the Helm Memory Core, trading some long range firepower and manoeuvrability for durability: 275 Std Fusion engine 3 Jump Jets 10 Double Heatsinks Endo Steel Chassis 10t Ferro Fibrous Armour w/ CASE in LT and RT 1 Large Pulse laser in RA 1 LRM 10 w/ 2t ammo in LT 1SRM 6 w/ 1t ammo in RT
@Mr._Anderpson
6 ай бұрын
I have a friend who will love this video. We went back & forth over early era medium mechs with him preferring the Griffin while I tend to favor the Hoplite. Sure, there are better mechs out there, but both of those are relatively cheap, durable, & common enough to make repair & refit not too daunting.
@MechanicalFrog
6 ай бұрын
Could be fun. I don't know when I'll get around to the Hoplite though. It's an odd duck.
@Mr._Anderpson
6 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog That's my curse. My thought process is usually-- "Oooh, what a screwed up design. I love it!"
@keebbles
7 ай бұрын
My griffins run similar to MF, but in game we had loads of ATMs. So I put an ATM 6 in each torso. 2 tons ammo ER and HeX. The light ppcs are pirate and fire in a cluster vs singles. Use lrm 5 table on non-aimed hits. The main beast griffon uses a snubbie, 3 clan er mdms and an srm 6 with case for 2 tons ammo. 1 std and half ton utility ammo x 2 types depending on terrain and intel. If lots of tanks. Then tandem and inferno. If mechs, emp and acid. Mixed forces acid and inferno. ie. Marinade and BBQ sauce. My Solaris 7 griffon cant truly be called a griffon anymore. As it has improved jj , dhs, tsm, dragon breath flamer (head) acid fluid guns, mrm 30 with ton of high explosives and infernos. (The mrm version of hydras). Right arm spiked mace and enhanced heavy actuators . Left arm heavy shield. And 2 small pulses. Meant for arena/gladiator battles. Tried a LAM version using stuff from shadowhawk and Wolverine lams, but wing mounts and hardpoints weren't allowed as it gave mech first strike capacity of an entire lance effectively. Would like to see a Jade Falcon mod IIC with PWS, improved jjs, and clan weapons. It'd def have jade talons on feet, cause jade falcons... Anyone want a go at that build? No xl for sure, maybe light clan engine though. Prob built as striker/brawler vs harrasser/fire support.
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