I feel like they tried to make it another "let it go". While still trying to name it an antagonistic villain song.
@criticaldel
9 ай бұрын
Weirdly enough, let it go was going to be a villain song at first
@mr.stuffdoer8483
8 ай бұрын
@@criticaldelit technically is
@terra_the_nightingale135
8 ай бұрын
Let It Go was sung and made when Elsa was a originally villain funnily enough. It was the turning point
@Thebeezzkneezz.
8 ай бұрын
Let it go is technically a villan song. She's freezing everything and dosnt care. The cold never bothered her anyway. But it effects the normal people (she dosnt know that all of her kingdom is frozen, but still)
@dearleader7623
8 ай бұрын
@BeeZkkeeZ Even deeper than that, she's getting into her "villain era" as the slang goes where she embraces a part of her that she's repressed. I've seen a few references to Let It Go where people feel they need to get into their villain eras to be in touch with who they are. In the case of Elsa, she dove too far into embracing her nature, she got into a pathological side of it, causing her to be an antagonist in the movie and having to rectify that.
@squedlly
8 ай бұрын
Also the line "I let you live here for free, and i don't even charge you rent."
@alpyki2588
8 ай бұрын
Easy fix would've been "I don't even tax you a cent." Just cut out everything after free and replace it with this, and its a good elaboration on the sentiment.
@DaisyEdwards-md7jl
8 ай бұрын
Wow yeah that is better @@alpyki2588
@sirGuy1995
8 ай бұрын
Tbh I’m more concerned with “it’s GENETICS! YEAH I GOT THESE GENES FROM OUTER SPACE!!!” …How does a line like that even get written lol?
@schnoz2372
8 ай бұрын
@@sirGuy1995because its written by idiots
@theinternetpolice2078
8 ай бұрын
Whole line could be with "no, I don't even charge you rent" instead of "and I don't even charge you rent"
@iDKVibe
8 ай бұрын
One of the biggest problems is that it sounds WAY too happy and bright. This is supposed to be the moment when the main villain snaps, why is there doo doo doos?????
@dawnknightx
8 ай бұрын
Magnifico believes, truly, that he is doing what is best for everybody. He’s all about appearances. There’s even a couple lines in this song that suggest he is deluding himself into thinking he’s some great and benevolent king for taking wishes away and only granting ones that pose no threat to his power. It’s completely in character for him. Remember, Magnifico is the first antagonist royal who starts the film beloved by everyone, including the main character. The next closest would be someone like King Candy, who is villainous and selfish but surrounds himself with cutesy characters and acts silly to disguise his true nature. And there is a part in this song where he snaps as he reaches for the forbidden magic book.
@jupitervallehinestroza5095
8 ай бұрын
My main problem is that it sounds like they are poorly trying to emulate lin-manuel Miranda's style without actually hiring him, and also making it even more pop-music than it already is. And if they were trying to go for a contrast between Mr. King being deluded and thinking he's a good guy despite being a bad guy. Well. They failed miserably. It does not give that at all. Musically or lyrically.
@dawnknightx
8 ай бұрын
@@jupitervallehinestroza5095 oh it doesn’t give on the sense that he has deluded himself into thinking he’s a good king lyrically? Like how he says he does all these things for people and then the chorus and title of the song is “this is the thanks I get?”
@jupitervallehinestroza5095
8 ай бұрын
@dawnknightx if you really want me to yield some ground, I can say it does the bare minimum. It lacks theatricality, it lacks weight in its delivery and it lacks the musical backing to add any feel to what it means to convey. In musicals (which is what this movie is), it is not enough to say something. You gotta back it or contrast it with music.
@dawnknightx
8 ай бұрын
@@jupitervallehinestroza5095 can you explain how it lacks this? I think the song is fine and has all those elements. It’s just a slightly different style than what Disney has done before.
@mrmaidlemonade
8 ай бұрын
I can't convey how much I want Disney to rediscover the guts it had when it made Hunchback.
@alexjustalexyt1144
8 ай бұрын
They won't cause of stonks.
@mikehurt3290
7 ай бұрын
Honestly I didn't like it as a kid but grew to love the songs in it as an adult
@goodguyamr6996
7 ай бұрын
unrelated but I wonder about (and fear for) the day they make a Hunchback of Notre Dame live action version and they mutilate the message
@goodguyamr6996
7 ай бұрын
they'll probably cast someone attractive for Quasimodo
@motiemo
5 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm really tired of them not having real villains anymore. And if there is a villain, they make them relatable. 😮💨 Like, it's okay to have someone just be evil, guys.
@richietozier7091
9 ай бұрын
They are not beating the AI allegations
@triforceofcourage100
8 ай бұрын
It’s actually worse than that. The kind of AI that can put out stories like that wasn’t publicly available when this movie was being written. That means all that shjt was actually written by people so bad at doing so it feels like a soulless machine created it.
@diollinebranderson6553
8 ай бұрын
@@triforceofcourage100 He means the graphics. It looks like a Disney ripoff which is ironic considering Disney is a multi billion dollar company
@errorsansglitch208
8 ай бұрын
@@diollinebranderson6553nah
@cassieisnothere
8 ай бұрын
The AI-llegation
@elainasynranelt
8 ай бұрын
@@diollinebranderson6553no this song literally has lyrics that sound like they are AI generated.
@pablorosada9788
8 ай бұрын
The internet is calling it "a disney villain song" because THAT'S HOW IT WAS MARKETED. THE PEOPLE MAKING THE MOVIE SAID OVER AND OVER THAT "we will have a classic Disney villain with a villain song".
@TECfan1
7 ай бұрын
Where did they say that?
@pablorosada9788
7 ай бұрын
@@TECfan1 in interviews over and over again
@Alex-mh5mu
21 күн бұрын
well they failed, this is a hero not a villain.
@agonyremnanttrap6789
8 ай бұрын
It doesn't sound like a villain song. It sound like a relatable song describing your life in a toxic society and having a bad day.
@juicebox7372
8 ай бұрын
It's the most realistic disney song ever because it sounds like Magnifico is making up every lyric as he goes along (that's probably why it's so redundant)
@conspiracypanda1200
8 ай бұрын
You're right, it sounds more like a Normal Guy Is Frustrated Before His Life Gets a Sudden Shake-Up song. The kind of thing a jaded male protagonist might sing before being abruptly cut off by the sudden start of an adventure plot. Unfortunately, it needed to be the kind of song that makes the audience think "Yeah, this is a guy who is evil and totally deserves to be imprisoned forever".
@arcanefury3666
8 ай бұрын
I havent seen Wish but to me it sounds like a song you'd give Iago, or the bat from Anastasia, or the hyenas in Lion King. You give it to them cause its catchy it has villain vibes but not enough power to make you think this guy means business.
@ShadowFoxSF
8 ай бұрын
@@arcanefury3666oh no. now I gotta watch this song but mentally insert Iago's voice in it. it'll be hecking hilarious.
@_alternianIdiot
8 ай бұрын
i think that was the goal. they're trying to profit of how the viewer's projection onto their characters, which makes them relatable for nearly everybody. disney can then milk it for sales while doing as little as possible.
@amanday3103
8 ай бұрын
Proof that the average person likes musical theater way more than they’d like to admit
@AuraLeafstorm
8 ай бұрын
The "pop-ification" of modern Disney songs has been driving me crazy since "Let It Go." They really need to go back to their musical theatre roots where the lyrics drive the characters and story, but they never will if they think that making the lyrics as generic and non-specific to the plot as possible is the way to get to the top of the charts. I get it, they want to keep the song lyrics vague to make it easier for people to project themselves onto them. I think that's shallow. EDIT because people keep bringing this up: Perhaps "pop-ification" is the wrong term (admittedly I'm not even the one who came up with it to describe the state of modern Disney songs) because what I'm referring to has less to do with the instrumentation/musical genre and more to do with how the lyrics are intentionally constructed to be non-specific enough for audiences to easily project themselves onto, which is undeniably true of Let It Go, and is antithetical to how musical numbers are generally intended to work in musical theatre. A song written for a musical should be woven into the narrative such that its lyrics require context from the story to be fully understood, as the song in turn pushes the narrative and characters forward (We Don't Talk About Bruno is a good example of this done properly). Now, I'm not a musician, but Let It Go is a much better-constructed song than anything in Wish, I'll give it that much; and the other songs in Frozen contain lyrics that are more specific to the actual narrative of that film. But Let It Go undeniably started a trend of writing song lyrics that are intentionally written to be nonspecific enough such that the song can be entirely pulled from its context and still function in isolation, which is observable in most of the songs in Wish.
@Whatareevenbirds
8 ай бұрын
I like it call it the "Lin Manuel Mirandafication"
@rosehorror1422
8 ай бұрын
@@Whatareevenbirds nah, for as not into him personally as I am, he at least knows how to tell a story and works well with motifs. Wish does neither well.
@Parkerbirds
8 ай бұрын
@@rosehorror1422exactly. I’m not a huge fan of him either in general, but the things he has worked on for Disney have been really good storytelling songs.
@maxs-lz4pn
8 ай бұрын
Since when was Let it Go pop?
@somedragonbastard
8 ай бұрын
@@WhatareevenbirdsLMM is literally a Broadway composer
@mooneverfi
8 ай бұрын
"Mother knows best" is another villain song that has more personal spice that flows well with its character and gives an insight to how that character's personality and intentions will affect the plot and the story. Not saying every song needs to carry the movie, but its sort of important if it contributes to how we see that character and how they deserve to be IN that movie. It feels like they had too many aesthetics they were going for and they ended up clashing. Had they went for the original concept, it would have given more room for the songs to have more personal meaning to each character and gave us something to hold onto instead of it feeling like promts for the AI generator but who knows
@The.Lilomay
9 ай бұрын
The music doesn’t tell story It doesn’t fit the character doesn’t fit the plot It’s way too happy and chill N there’s disconnection with lyrics and music Unless there’s a twist or what so ever to make it make sense
@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482
8 ай бұрын
Lyrical dissonance isn’t always bad. Many songs use lyrical dissonance and yet are very good.
@mr.stuffdoer8483
8 ай бұрын
Haven’t watched but does overly arrogant but not that dark really not fit the character?
@starlaeckhardt4526
8 ай бұрын
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Yeah, until the end
@sexygirlmax2019
8 ай бұрын
@@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482Dissonance is different than a disconnect, where the lyrics being used are not appropriate for the context and you can tell theyre just throwing words that will rhyme.
@richardimreviragosi6413
8 ай бұрын
@@mr.stuffdoer8483kinda? But the idea is that he's stealing the people's hopes and dreams in exchange of a cozy life, and now they are protesting and want their dreams back. It doesn't really carry the anger he should be feeling, or the urgency of this problem.
@cletusburgerboy9143
8 ай бұрын
The antagonist is literally just a realist that's trying to show people that you shouldn't get everything you wish for.
@IronBahamut
8 ай бұрын
I mean imagine if someone said "I wish for a genocide" and the end of the movie all the people get their wishes 💀
@Envious_JIG
9 ай бұрын
It's because it WAS written by pop song writers..... people who worked for Shawn Mendes... And Justin Bieber. Both of which make my ears want to die
@Joru_
8 ай бұрын
It’s all just bad song in general trying to force rhymes with words that don’t fit and repeating statements but acting like there different.
@pink-a-palouza7888
8 ай бұрын
It didn’t say it on how we could get the amazing lion, King and Tarzan soundtrack from the amazing Sir Elton John, and the legendary Phil Collins, and the person who worked with iconic pop singers can’t make a good song somehow
@ginathecookie
8 ай бұрын
Shawn isn't too bad But doesn't fit this kind of movie at all. Justin.. well, I'm not a fan of him at all but I will say they could tweaked it and it might have worked? But bc they didnt try to make it match the movie it falls flat.
@sexygirlmax2019
8 ай бұрын
Oh thats why
@ginathecookie
8 ай бұрын
(I am a fan of Shawn's songs, btw. Just not a fan of Justin and his songs for a lot of reasons. Although I'm not gonna say bad things about him.)
@TheDeathmail
8 ай бұрын
It should also be noted that in no way is he actually a villain.... The dude that's giving everyone free housing and allowing them to live in peace and is actually doing an incredibly good job probably better than any leader has ever done before in real life and they're trying to make him a villain because he's not giving them everything they want.....
@Karak-_-
8 ай бұрын
If everyone biggest problem is not having their wishes and dreams fullfilled, I think he does a very good job as a ruler.
@huelu982
8 ай бұрын
It’s governments lesson 101: if you keep giving they keep taking, nothing’s free 😑🙏
@pentagrin4157
8 ай бұрын
Genuinely, I would gladly give a wish if it meant I lived a decent life with no guarantee of it coming true. There isn't even any massive drawback to not having a wish granted, only ONE character was depicted to be 'lackluster' and fatigued after he gave his wish, but that is not the norm with the rest of the wish-givers.
@TECfan1
7 ай бұрын
Not being able to live your life's dream in exchange for a bland, easy yet meaningless life is not good, it's pure evil. Thus why he is a villain.
@Naysadancis
6 ай бұрын
King magnifico IS NOT A VILLAIN. If you say he is then you are wrong and here’s why. 1. If he was a bad king then why is everyone happy 2. He grants wishes and the ones he doesn’t grant are dangerous (meaning you shouldn’t wish them to happen really) 3. What is the definition of a bland and meaningless life exactly? They would live exactly like we live in reality but just better LIKE DO YOU SEE HOW HAPPY THEY ARR
@specs6637
9 ай бұрын
This exactly. Honestly I feel like if they would’ve slowed it down and dropped it an octave or two, making it darker and more dynamic it could’ve been an okay villain song Edit: love how this started an argument
@IsabelleHAwesomegirl
8 ай бұрын
A minor key even
@peteryeeterson5766
8 ай бұрын
… I don’t think you know how far an octave is.
@peteryeeterson5766
8 ай бұрын
But I agree, lower key would’ve been better
@AzuleaFlair
8 ай бұрын
@@peteryeeterson5766 Why would they say it if they didn't
@gametheus1306
8 ай бұрын
@@AzuleaFlair People use words wrong all the time without knowing what they mean, thinking they have a decent contextual understanding of how the words are generally used. An important thing to note is that dropping the music by any number of octaves would make it so the notes being sung are the same notes but in lower octaves, meaning the key would remain exactly the same
@erxn_0nce
8 ай бұрын
That’s the problem. Songs made for stories should tell them. Nowadays Disney tries to get marketing and oscars from adding things to the story instead of working to make an actually good story.
@thesilverprincess
8 ай бұрын
What I gather from Wish is that they got pop artists, who don’t tell stories through their music, to write a music for the story. And especially when compared to composers like Alan Menken, it just doesn’t work.
@KEDAMONO.
8 ай бұрын
On a bigger scale I think Disney as a whole is shifting from being animated broadway musicals to Pop boardroom investments.
@dawnknightx
8 ай бұрын
@@KEDAMONO.Didn’t Encanto release like 2 years ago? Was that also pop music as opposed to theater music? Weren’t those song literally written by Lin Manuel Miranda?
@dawnknightx
8 ай бұрын
You’d be wrong. While definitely more poppy, most of the songs do tell the stories or reveal greater bit of character through song. Only one I can think that might not is “Your a star” but that song explains to what extent the stars powers can do and sets up various plot points later in the film.
@Jetrowdy
8 ай бұрын
@@dawnknightxto me Encanto feels very musical theater but just sounding like Pop. We Don’t Talk About Bruno for example sounds very pop but it still drives the story and plot forward
@dawnknightx
8 ай бұрын
@@Jetrowdy so does the music in Wish. Particularly This is the Thanks I Get. Reveals character motivation and shows us the moment he passes the threshold.
@autumn_sunday
8 ай бұрын
"You live here for free, and you don't even have to pay rent." I... really? You just said the same thing twice.
@thatcherrycat1198
8 ай бұрын
You cannot convince me an AI did not write the script
@Pizza-gremlin
8 ай бұрын
It maybe be but one of the people worked with Justin Bieber. I do not know what is worse.
@akira8393
8 ай бұрын
@@Pizza-gremlinI'd say it's worse because you mean to tell me you can't even shit out one good song even with ai like bruh😂.
@mikehurt3290
7 ай бұрын
Apparently AI was out yet when they wrote this movie which is even worst tbh
@crystalkatsuka
3 ай бұрын
It sounds like a hero who's misunderstood and just wants a lil respect 😭
@Middleman0000
9 ай бұрын
Fun catchy villain songs can work really well so thats not the problem. One example i can think of is "when i find my baby" from sister Act. Its framed as a love song/ almost i want song, but its both comedic and sinister as yes he wants his girlfriend but to brutally murder her. Catchy songs where the villain praises themsleves can also be super cool, for example dentist from little shop of horrors. The issue with this song is its really shitty lyrics and lack of wit
@petrastein2531
8 ай бұрын
I would say even "In the dark of the night" was upbeat. xD It's no Hellfire, it has singing larva creatures... but it's still a banger. Edit: Also Preminger's "How can I refuse" (I refuse to say it is not iconic).
@seregiel9541
8 ай бұрын
@petrastein2531 I still sing "In the Dark of the Night" in the shower to psyche myself up for what looks to br a bad day. It's the bug voice changes for sure. DOOM HER!
@amandalynn4979
8 ай бұрын
I'd also say 'You'll Be Back' from Hamilton. Its so upbeat and jovial, but the sharp harpsichord notes create a sense of unease, especially since the lyrics are literally saying 'Im gonna kill everyone you love, but I still love you' as well as the delivery. If you've seen the proshot or seen the show live, every King George actor makes you feel dread and a bit awkward, they're standing there as they sing this threat. It perfectly shows how insane King George was in real life.
@Totallynotredtail
8 ай бұрын
Okay, I completely agree with the points made here but I have to say, i *flipped* when you mentioned sister act and little shop of horrors
@Middleman0000
8 ай бұрын
@@Totallynotredtail what can I say, I'm a man of culture
@eliaspanayi3465
8 ай бұрын
This guy is just not the villain.
@nanuqo2006
8 ай бұрын
All of Wish’s songs were written and produced by Pop artists for some fuckin reason
@sweethistortea
8 ай бұрын
Not sure why Disney made that choice. They could have brought Elton John to work on the music since he helped with Lion King, or Alan Menkin or anyone but pop writers.
@elijahaitaok8624
8 ай бұрын
@@sweethistortea those are pop writers though, they worked because they had direction, haven't watched Wish but everything I hear about it just tells me that Disney half-assed this movie and didn't even know they half-assed it
@ibeanuonyinye236
7 ай бұрын
Please tell them. The songs are fine
@addytoons9082
8 ай бұрын
YES 100% YOU UNDERSTAND! LIKE WHERE IS THE MUSICAL THEATER 😭
@Sidgirl5
8 ай бұрын
What's also true is it has a very upbeat sound while older villain songs are more sinister or feel like the villain is hiding something Past Disney movies and similar things have taught our minds to read the beat in this song and anything similar as happy, joyful and celebratory. This makes it extra weird when we get to the more villainous reveal, which can feel like it came out of nowhere since it sounds very different (and wasn't set up throughout the song)
@osllq9355
8 ай бұрын
This is how they changed the Mean Girls Musical soundtrack from stage to screen- they specifically said they wanted the songs to sound like pop songs on the radio, not like a song from a musical. It doesn't always work out, but they sure tried something 😅
@RandomOliveTree
8 ай бұрын
If you want to write a song in a musical that’s pop, sure. Go nuts. One of my favorite musicals, Six does it very well. But the songs in Six still had a lot of musical theatre aspects. You know why? BECAUSE ITS A MUSICAL.
@Hapeey
21 күн бұрын
Lowley tho, I absolutely love the instrumental for some reason. I feel like some kind of calm background music while a villan is singing about his villan gallyvanting sounds cool
@violet3449
8 ай бұрын
I didn't watch the movie yet and just listened to the song today since I saw backlash on it and after watching this short to clarify, it definitely makes sense. I was wondering why people didn't like it even tho it's very catchy.
@bridgerhibbert2993
8 ай бұрын
I haven't seen the movie yet either, though I want to. Anyways, the song definitely does start out more fun and catchy (which does not necessarily mean "good" objectively, just that it is not the typical "evil" sounding song). However, it does have a slight undertone of villainy to it, since this guy is basically gaslighting himself into believing he is the perfect guy while simultaneously being unwilling to adapt to change because things aren't under his control. It's like a mix of "Gaston", "Stay in Here", and "Mother Knows Best", except whereas each villain of their respective songs knew what they were doing, Magnifico is too blind to see where his thoughts are taking him (one could even say that the lyrics, "I let you live here for free and I don't even charge you rent" (despite the fact they both essentially mean the same thing) also depict that blindness; he's not thinking rationally, he's too frustrated to do so). It's one thing to see a villain like Scar, Jafar, Frollo, etcetera, and recognize they are the villain, but it might be completely another to see a good person forget their true mission (or original intentions) and attempt to bring misery to others, thus descending into darkness. Just my thoughts. *EDIT-JAN 26, 2024:* I finally saw "Wish". So....when it comes to "This is the Thanks I Get" I think it made sense in its given context. That being said, Magnifico was not fleshed out enough. To put it simply, he (like other characters) needed more depth. With that being said, I still liked the movie.
@violet3449
8 ай бұрын
@@bridgerhibbert2993 I love that insight! And I completely agree! Very interesting perspective! 🤩
@ordinary-not2525
8 ай бұрын
@@violet3449 I completely agree!
@maxs-lz4pn
8 ай бұрын
Catchy doesn't mean good. The lyrics are weak and redundant and we're bad enough people thought AI wrote them
@violet3449
8 ай бұрын
@maxs-lz4pn I mean it does kind off a certain vibe, but since I haven't watched the movie yet, I don't know if it really matches the character's personality. I think that would definitely affect how "good" the lyrics and song are. But that's an interesting point of view! Ill probably think about it when I watch it, if I have time lol.
@freedemonhugs
8 ай бұрын
i heard someone say it sounds like something playing in the background of a commercial for a prescription drug and they were SO right
@Moretropes11
8 ай бұрын
We need to get back musical theater writers so the songs will actually feel impactful.
@worsethanyouthink
8 ай бұрын
I personally get a smile on my face when i hear this song, like when he says "i let them live here for free and i dont even make them pay" the smile is typically followed by a loud noise some have refered to as laughter
@ventusxzephyr13
8 ай бұрын
This comes off more as a protagonist song akin to the emperors new groove. It perfectly sets up king’s personality and his inherent flaw. He is the king who grants wishes however he’s grown resentful and desires more. Having him be the protagonist of the film having to relearn about the wonders his powers can create could have been something really spectacular if this film was given the time and love it should have gotten.
@dooplets._.5776
8 ай бұрын
When a pop song is in a musical, and not a musical song in a musical, people are reasonably disappointed
@meganlewis2424
8 ай бұрын
Nothing compares to Hellfire. That's not just a villain song. That is a lyrical masterpiece. That's like saying Bugatti is just a car.
@MapleStarBlitz
8 ай бұрын
Ive heard everyone complain about his song being "wrong" but i havent heard anyone resing/change it to be "correct"
@MalissiaCreates
8 ай бұрын
It’s as if Wish was created in 5 separate studios where none of the creators collaborated on anything and then, when the songs and the story, and the characters and the animation, all came together, it was just pick and choose, instead of what actually synchronistically seamlessly fit a cohesive storyline and well developed characters and plot with great purpose-written songs.
@Fantasyfanatic-gz9nk
8 ай бұрын
Exactly. If it's a song to honor Disney history, honor the grand scale of previous villains and their songs.
@victorlannister5606
8 ай бұрын
It was written by pop artists but they have written amazing music for animated films before I’m mostly thinking Elton John. But it’s clear they wanted the sound of Lin Manuel Miranda But fail to understand how he can do what he does. Class musical theater training is a must for the kind of storytelling Disney works with! Plus honestly I think that other pop artists could have made a wonderful soundtrack I think it’s just the ones they got weren’t the right fit!
@vintagearisen
8 ай бұрын
It's the WISH version of Lin Manuel Miranda
@Nitro.L
8 ай бұрын
Man i forgot about this channel, im so happy this appeared on my Feed! Keep up the amazing videos! I remember watching your Gravity Falls Acapella when it released!
@ChristochatBTW
8 ай бұрын
He's the villain... It's a villain song, it's an L and I think it's written by ai
@baronbrummbar8691
8 ай бұрын
that he is the villain can only be the result of the AI or some lunatic - he was clearly the good guy and then just turned evil
@Xrinny
8 ай бұрын
and that’s exactly the issue. disney has been chasing that “big hit” and desperately wants it on, say, radios. as time goes on, disney keeps losing the reason for why they are famous. they’re losing the reason why they’re still around after 100 years. they no longer care about making art. whether it be creating characters that are meaningful and/or have good reason to exist, stories that are driven from a passion to create art instead of money, songs that are written to further the story rather than to seem ‘relateable…’ from tales like the live actions mulan, live action the little mermaid, and even to wish, it really feels like disney’s goal is focused on making money instead of art. all companies want to make money, but disney has forgotten WHY they made so much money and achieved so muh success over the decades - it’s because of their storytelling. all of the live-action remakes are there to make money and feed off of people’s nostaglia for these franchises. they change the story to make it seem “original” and “new,” but they end up weakening the story instead (see the writers giving live-action mulan powers, undermining the entire purpose of the original and its themes). they no longer want to make art, and wish-especially as disney’s 100th anniversary movie-is cementing that point. at this rate, they may not make it another 100 years solely because they are misguided as a company.
@gokusonicultrayt1645
10 ай бұрын
I wouldn't fully call it a villian song but i actually no joke like it.
@melinawagner1403
8 ай бұрын
The thing with the song is it isnt a villan song. He is talking about being used for granted and instead of show us he's telling us and he is naming good things like an underdog. Ursula off lyrics where shes mumbling to herself shows her true intentions. Hellfire talks about hes lust driving him to insanity and willing to sell his soul for her. Be prepared is him being envious of his brother and showing he doesnt care about the pride he cares for the power.
@zenith5844
8 ай бұрын
Tbh, I loved the song. It displayed a villain that wasn’t just a character, but someone you could genuinely know. A man that had developed an unhealthy view of life and abused his power, manipulating and hurting others. It felt so real to me. The pop feel added to this sense of charisma he invoked instead of the story telling that we’re used to with other villains. It’s like he didn’t deserve a past or motive for us to be invested in, but a practice for us to be disgusted by. The man was a fake, and the structure of the song added to it. Musical theatre style songs have a voice to it that he didn’t deserve.
@TheWizardYeof
8 ай бұрын
No way. I come across this random KZitem short, and I see someone who I’m 99% sure I was in a local community theater production of “Sister Act” with, several years ago. Small world.
@JacobSutherlandMusic
8 ай бұрын
😁 the algorithm was like "you'll know this guy, TRUST ME"
@WiggyWamWam
10 ай бұрын
It’s the same thing as greatest showman, these people don’t understand musicals, they only understand Pop music
@victoriagames8668
7 ай бұрын
I finally found somebody who cares if they are gonna poke my eye out!
@n8iv3phant0m4
8 ай бұрын
Forgot to mention that the Villain and his Motive, even I song form, he’s right. The dude is in the right the entire time.
@Evietheanoying124
8 ай бұрын
People talking about let it go don’t know that that number is the most classic broadway musical theater song I’ve ever heard. It’s 100% story driven, it’s powerful, the singer is phenomenal, but because it got so popular people seem to think it was exclusively made to be a radio song. Everyone who hates that song, I beg you, watch that movie again disregarding everything bad everyone else has said, and judge for yourself.
@JYJnKumi
9 ай бұрын
I like the song! It was, by far, the catchiest in the film. And Chris Pine has a surprisingly good singing voice. I didn't even THINK to compare the song because the soundtrack is modern pop, not orchestral, so it went with the film's musical theme
@Cyancat123
6 ай бұрын
They NEED Lin Manuel Miranda to keep working with them. He’s pretty much the only reason Encanto’s music was so good.
@mawdewile
8 ай бұрын
The song has very slowly grown onto me. It’s undeniably catchy, and I really like that they gave the villain the upbeat song while the heroes have the more sinister one. Still, I think the lyrics could’ve used a bit more work. (We all know about the ‘living for free and not paying rent’ verse)
@KingDugan
8 ай бұрын
"Be Prepared" from the Lion King is my favorite Disney villain song.
@localmenace3043
8 ай бұрын
It’s not a villain song. Point blank. It’s not “Be Prepared”, it’s not “Poor Unfortunate Souls”, it’s not even “My Lullaby” (Lion King 2). It’s a pop song.
@Lexin7
8 ай бұрын
Whenever i hear friends on the other side i always go to that one guy
@NintendBrick
10 ай бұрын
Ur toxic gossip train cover is a banger! Also great video
@JacobSutherlandMusic
10 ай бұрын
😁 thank you!
@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668
8 ай бұрын
"Like FIRE, hellfire, this burning in my skin" Disney could never repeat that passion.
@KeijiKaini
10 ай бұрын
And here i thought the song is just bad. And now i dont get it at all cuz this over complicated explanation made my brain go brrooooooo
@walterhartwellwhite324
8 ай бұрын
The fact this gets compared to hellfire is honestly hilarious
@sandybunz69
8 ай бұрын
When i was a kid, hunchback of Notre dam was my absolute favorite movie. Hellfire is one of the best antagonist songs ever.
@zoosmell.pisslord
8 ай бұрын
it’s a banger song, shame people hate it so much. wish was an amazing movie for me, love the animation style and the characters, but it’s… just missing a lot.
@doodledusk5
3 ай бұрын
Its not so much the internet branded the song as a villain song, its that disney THEMSELVES branded it as a disney song and thus put it on the same level as those past Villain songs. Disney wanted its audience to make the comparison, thus shooting themselves in the foot.
@inkable4319
6 ай бұрын
I feel that this song fits Magnifico, both as his character and at the current moment. He is afraid of the past from recreating, but as it does his inner ego gradually grows thanks from the pressure given by the townsfolk. The song plays upbeat and such because he is trying to keep a positive outlook while his most toxic emotions begin to bleed out.
@birubu
8 ай бұрын
They haven’t done a legit villain song in so long I don’t think they remember how to
@TheDistractingGamer
8 ай бұрын
The mishandling of the “villain” is a large part of it too.
@kayh3199
8 ай бұрын
Meanwhile "Good to be King." Hits so much harder.
@tapioca8436
8 ай бұрын
They’re creating marketable music instead of music that genuinely ties into and builds upon the story.
@Invalid-user13k
8 ай бұрын
Such a way to guide us
@_leaf-3525
8 ай бұрын
i haven't watched the movie but I've listened to this song and it honestly sounds like a protagonist song with some strange lyrics
@richieg85
7 ай бұрын
All the Disney adults are just being babies “this is what I WANT”
@lizagna4742
5 ай бұрын
the issue is: if he isn’t a villain or at least an antihero, then there’s no problem to solve, or no story
@Robynhoodlum
8 ай бұрын
Mencken and Ashman established the musical theater rule of music which is that you only start singing once the emotions become too strong to simply speak. This song is supposed to be portraying anger, betrayal, and frustration. In that regard it is WAY too upbeat, even if the king is supposed to be insane. Some of the bouncier villain songs people are commenting are when the villain is rejoicing in a plan well executed or reveling in their own villainy, but that’s not what’s happening in This Is The Thanks I Get so the tone feels off.
@Kiraisdrawing
3 күн бұрын
The song writer was a pop artist and was given little information about the characters and movie itself and had a small amount of time to complete it, like, what the heck is Disney doin😂😂😂
@valleypathfinder9891
7 ай бұрын
That, and it doesn't *feel* like a villain song
@nomadshiba
8 ай бұрын
music to tell a story vs just noises
@Glitchy_evilvic
8 ай бұрын
Nothing will ever be one of the greatest villain songs Shiny
@frankie380
8 ай бұрын
I haven't seen wish but I know the older movies. When a music piece comes in it progresses the story line with its visuals and words. Wish sounds like A.I/industry plant writing. It's not most people's taste and is sung by a tone deaf guy. Then you look at Shadow man's song and it's so much better sounding from instruments to background vocals. Surely miss that. Even mama odie went off
@ElliotStone-d6k
2 ай бұрын
This is the best song in the entire movie
@korgthekronan
8 ай бұрын
THANK YOU. I haven't watched the movie yet, but I have listened to most of the songs, and honestly I like This Is The Thanks I get?! quite a bit. Was disappointed that people were saying it was a bad villain song and all that
3 ай бұрын
I love the song. I think it's great!
@RuuvakBeyn
8 ай бұрын
I like Jacob's version of explaining the hate. Just a fair and constructive opinion and a good explanation of all the negativity for the song.
@Emerald_Vizsla
8 ай бұрын
This is where I was stuck on it too. I like his villain character, although a bit flimsy, the song just doesnt hit like a villain song. Im glad there is this explanation because something dod feel off.
@Skyeloise
8 ай бұрын
My type of Disney, is like if there is like royal thing with castles and magic, I expected it to have like like an orchestra type and if it's like about a town and a chill way with pop (like trolls) then that's my thing.
@Kmosely42
8 ай бұрын
It was ADVERTISED as a villain song too. Like not specifically but with the whole "its going to be a classic disney story, with a classic disney villain" so there was an expectation for a classic decision, not a modern one.
@Gloom_Shroom_Gaming
7 ай бұрын
This explanation makes a lot of sense 👏 You do look kind of like King Magnifico though lol
@weebleflufflycakes7238
8 ай бұрын
I think the song fits with his persona very well, he's not dark a brooding classical Disney villain, he's a peppy narcissist victimizing himself
@Liam-oh2gb
8 ай бұрын
I went and listened to the song having seen this short. I know nothing about the movie. But from the song - this is spot on. Based on the song I would say he's "benevolent" because he thinks it will make people praise him, he doesn't actually care about the happiness and well being of the people. It's Deontology - his actions are bad because he is doing them for a bad reason regardless of the outcome.
@Remedy118
8 ай бұрын
I mean, you say we “Expect” it, I say I want that because it badass and sounds good
@CavinLee
8 ай бұрын
My mind immediately went the song that goes “I started this gangster shit, and this the motherfuckin thanks I get?”
@DenderFriend
8 ай бұрын
With you being in front of the piano I thought you were about to play a more "Villainized" version of the song
@auxvii
8 ай бұрын
They need to be brave enough to make something like Hellfire again.
@Burgmeiser
8 ай бұрын
"I let you live here for free And I don't even charge you rent" is basically the same sentence but with different words, and they are BACK TO BACK
@flameborn5347
20 күн бұрын
Also I have heard the song and honestly the villain makes some good points
@shatter3472
8 ай бұрын
It doesn't compare to other disney villain songs but it's so catchy and I love it!
@BushBanditJr
6 ай бұрын
I don't know what you're all talking about, this song hits
@Hammerman5901
8 ай бұрын
You haven’t lived if you heard “Friends on the other side”.
@TheGuyWhoHasYourBread
8 ай бұрын
I mean comeon Hellfire is such a high bar, its my most favofite disney song, it represented desparation and lust of humans so extremely, like damn it was so good
@maravreloaded
4 ай бұрын
The problem is that this doesn't sound like a villain song, sounds more like a good guy in a bad day song.
@_NInjagoFandom_
6 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who loves the song 😭
@thegriffin2135
8 ай бұрын
See, I’m pretty sure that I expect the song to have musical theatre sensibilities because the song is the musical. Like, it’d be one thing if the song were written to be played on the radio, but it was quite literally created for the purpose of conveying the story of the movie.
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