"I feel like a young lad again!" said Game and Watch, as he proceeded to up-B without a care in the world.
@Xerion1
4 жыл бұрын
Lmfao 😂
@kiwifluorite
3 жыл бұрын
love how people refer to him as a grandpa even if he's only 40 years old
@radiolarity
4 жыл бұрын
The one thing that was really understated is the vague nature of his animations since a lot of them go from idle pose to immediately the move, so even the slowest of moves are hard to react.
@wingedbluj1674
4 жыл бұрын
But the good news is you can go frame by frame in training mode to know exactly when the hitbox comes out
@Cheezmonka
4 жыл бұрын
@@wingedbluj1674 You shouldn't have to do that, though. This character throws out the whole point of meaningful and readable animation and it's frustrating.
@nathanlevesque7812
4 жыл бұрын
They're ambiguous on startup but when they get going there's nothing vague about them. He's one of the showiest characters in that regard, considering that he shapeshifts for basically all of them.
@Cheezmonka
4 жыл бұрын
@@nathanlevesque7812 The start-up being so ambiguous is what makes it unfair, though. In other fighting games there might be a couple characters with one or two ambiguous-looking moves to help with high/low mix-ups, but they're usually balanced with slower frame data on start-up. Here they seem to just be this way because it fits with his character's origins from LCD games, but it's to the detriment of gameplay in my opinion.
@nathanlevesque7812
4 жыл бұрын
@@Cheezmonka I'm glad that Smash isn't like other fighting games. If I wanted something like them, I would just play them.
@GenophefeElisabeth
4 жыл бұрын
That's not true: not everyone hates him. Maister loves him.
@CaptainShenanigans42
4 жыл бұрын
GenophefeElisabeth I mean, if you asked maister if he wanted to fight game and watch or any other character of his choice, do you really think he'd choose game and watch?
@Phoenix_The_HeroHater
4 жыл бұрын
Used to be a game and watch main but many people in my region hated me for that so I dropped him
@Wutz_
4 жыл бұрын
@@Phoenix_The_HeroHater dont stop being yourself man , fuck the haters
@CaptainShenanigans42
4 жыл бұрын
JustFunKiro touchè
@nathanlevesque7812
4 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainShenanigans42 Yes I do. He's the best GnW. It'd be E Z moneeeee
@cannotcompute
4 жыл бұрын
"Why everyone hates Game and Watch" *lists his entire moveset*
@lucasdelaplace2795
4 жыл бұрын
No no, he's got a point
@adamania31
4 жыл бұрын
“I’m not going to cover everything about the character, but some of the great traits that make him such a great character...”
@lucasdelaplace2795
4 жыл бұрын
@@adamania31 *covers everything about the character*
@jenniferguajardo1335
4 жыл бұрын
*Laughs in Game&Watch Main*
@tnt2899
4 жыл бұрын
The side b 9 is just the G&W play just Flipping you off
@SamWeltzin
4 жыл бұрын
I remember when G&W's only good quality was the fact that he could randomly kill you at 0% off a down-throw. How far he's come.
@davidthecommenter
2 жыл бұрын
man couldn't even shield himself properly in his first game
@rayh966
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidthecommenter no, but he could bucket-brake, allowing him to live on insane percentages. he's always been busted in some way or form.
@illford
2 жыл бұрын
@@rayh966 bucket braking wasn't nearly as busted tho, because GnW pretty much can't defend himself on the ground since his rolls suck as well. His aerials aren't even good either
@fox.4214
Жыл бұрын
@@illford Game & Watch does have decent aerials, what do you mean? The only bad ones are up and forward air, but back, down, and neutral air are pretty good.
@skld-xm
Жыл бұрын
@@fox.4214 all of his aerials are great. Fair is good edgeguarding tool and can start combos, NAIR is a great juggling tool, Back air is an INSANE juggling tool, dair is ok ngl but up air is also a great tool for juggling.
@Johnnycpublic
4 жыл бұрын
Y'all laughed at him in melee,game and watch is good now and everyone hates him haha.
@tenacity25
4 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is, he might've been a good character in Melee if he functioned. Cries in ultimate falco
@jcgocrazy
4 жыл бұрын
tenacity25 Still can’t believe Falco’s issues haven’t been addressed
@tenacity25
4 жыл бұрын
@@jcgocrazy yeah. tbh i want some buffs on top of fixes, stuff that would make him better without making him busted, say nair hitbox covering his entire body so you can hit people easier with it as an extra neutral option and combo into it more consistently and stuff, or dair actually being a reasonable kill move offstage, but most of what holds him back is stupid stuff like upsmash not functioning or side-b missing a hitbox on the end of the move (You'd be surprised how good shorthop side-b (as in, side-b right at the start of the shorthop so it's basically grounded but the aerial version of the move) would be to punish people and start a combo if it had hitboxes where it really should).
@jcgocrazy
4 жыл бұрын
tenacity25 His throws also dont work, and dair doesnt even spike properly
@tenacity25
4 жыл бұрын
@@jcgocrazy Yeah, dair not spiking properly is what I was talking about with it not killing people. And I just didn't list all of his problems because I've listed so many off so many times that it's tiring at this point. I unironically miss smash 4 dair because, as much as it was a bad move overall, it killed people offstage. I could ledgeguard people more consistently in smash 4 than I can in ultimate, because fair isn't a "do all be all" ledgeguard option, as good as it is. Ledgeguarding was worse overall in smash 4, and falco was terrible in smash 4, but his ledgeguard game and combos were why I loved him. He only retained one of those things coming into ultimate.
@wilsan806
4 жыл бұрын
Lol my man larry making a vid just so others can correctly complain too
@Nandinandito
4 жыл бұрын
Fucking hate GaW as of today
@jcgocrazy
4 жыл бұрын
Up B just needs a frame nerf and down smash needs more End Lag
@Rexis102
4 жыл бұрын
JcGoCrazy just give it and all other recoveries free fall. What makes one character’s already good recovery less deserving of free fall than other characters’ terrible recoveries?
@jcgocrazy
4 жыл бұрын
Andrew Healis Thats also a good fix if you want to leave it on frame 3. Most optimal up B OOS are frame 5-6, so adjusting it to that makes it a little more manageable
@Rexis102
4 жыл бұрын
JcGoCrazy yeah, I just can’t understand why good recoveries get rewarded with no free fall while bad ones continue to exist with terrible free fall. It’s poor recovery balancing if you ask me. Only exceptions I’d make are recoveries with no hitboxes whatsoever (Duck Hunt), tether-only recoveries (Joker or maybe Byleth), or characters with no actual recovery (Jigglypuff and Yoshi). Sonic’s and Banjo’s spring/pad can hit and gimp and Game & Watch’s hitboxes are frame 3. If this change was actually implemented, I’d buff Banjo’s vertical distance a bit and make Sonic’s grab ledge a bit better. Duck Hunt’s is fine as is.
@theprofessionalnoob4371
4 жыл бұрын
Mr Game and Watch be like: “end lag is fiction”
@thesnorlaxagenda
4 жыл бұрын
F-tilt is perfect roll punish
@MadSkull
3 жыл бұрын
:albino intensified:
@russiancheems2275
3 жыл бұрын
Up smash: what’s a hurtbox?
@Ed_Plosion
4 жыл бұрын
clever to name a game & watch guide "why everyone hates game and watch" lmao
@brambleblaster
4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't really say clever. Technically this was more of an analysis than a guide, stating day 1 G&W stuff.
@mustard8148
4 жыл бұрын
@@brambleblaster it was a joke btw
@JoocyPump
3 жыл бұрын
I remember when i first started playing smash, i just picked him because he looked funny, his aesthetic is so different. The RNG element of his side was also a fun concept. I remember when he was considered a mid tier only a few years ago, but then people actually started to abuse his moveset, and realized how annoying/strong he really is. I'm proud of my 2D boy.
@rubencastillo3602
2 жыл бұрын
Same. My friends didn't like me hitting nines
@skld-xm
Жыл бұрын
same i just picked him up cause i thought he was wacky and then he becomes this top tier
@257joker
5 ай бұрын
Same, i refused to play smash with my friends untilk about 6-7 months ago and chose G&W because of who the character is knowing nothing....Everyday now my friends plead with me to play somebody new or just complain about how annoying I am...I am an Up B abuser lol
@gsteezy39
4 жыл бұрын
*spends 10 minutes talking about how good he is* ok disadvantages, well he’s light...
@sulfur3684
4 жыл бұрын
that is a major disadvantage though
@xolotltolox7626
4 жыл бұрын
@@sulfur3684 tell that to Pikachu and Pre-Patch Pichu
@pandinus1377
4 жыл бұрын
@@sulfur3684 considering the size and the frame data of these lighter characters you have to double your efforts to even get a hit in, like half of the stuff that they spam is safe on shield so light or not you won't be hitting them very much especially with slower characters
@trials_of_death3680
4 жыл бұрын
His sheild is also bottom 3, his techs are absolutely terrible, he’s tied for 3rd lightest, he has prob bottom 3 2 frame hitboxes
@capri_sunnn7935
4 жыл бұрын
his neutral is pretty wack aswell. like hes not op or anything just kinda stupid
@opadrip
4 жыл бұрын
Game and Watch mains when they see someone having fun: *"I have a job to do."*
@Garble_Garble
4 жыл бұрын
At least I'm having fun!
@lordelmo5957
4 жыл бұрын
As a G&W main, yeah... you’re right
@d.s.alcoda
4 жыл бұрын
@Boy Goy how y'all gonna say you love fun when you sit in Shield and wait to upB all game, or stand in place and mash c-stick down? Every GW I've fought is on a macro loop of upB into dair, whether or not it works at all.
@SoldierSurplus
4 жыл бұрын
Idk, I have that feeling with StarFox characters than G&W. Twitchy af and too fast for me to comprehend. Yea no thanks. I'd rather get thwacked by 10 Heros
@wavedlock868
4 жыл бұрын
i have a job to do
@alejandroespinoza5680
4 жыл бұрын
Remember when people said he was low tier?
@glonik10
4 жыл бұрын
@Gustavo Abuchaim de Freitas Xavier they're sheep. And this is why the smash fan base is cancer. People complain and bitch so much in the smash community its ridiculous
@Whithered_Bonnie28
4 жыл бұрын
@@glonik10 Yo for realy I feel like this community is getting closer to the League of Legends toxicity. I'm really sad it has to be that way. Literally complaining about EVERYTHING. People are so ridiculous and stupid most of the time.
@Whithered_Bonnie28
4 жыл бұрын
For real*
@glonik10
4 жыл бұрын
@@Whithered_Bonnie28 honestly I think its worse than league's community. When you throw a frozen crap at somebody for winning a tournament you have some serious issues
@idontcheckmynotifications
4 жыл бұрын
glonik nice typo
@nsp3468
4 жыл бұрын
7:40 "game and watch has the best down smash" *cries in pre-patch wolf*
@pizzashark7067
4 жыл бұрын
Wolf's dsmash wasn't significantly nerfed. G&W's was better to begin with
@cubicalprobably
4 жыл бұрын
@@nsp3468 Deifnitely not. It wasn't broken in regard to two framing, it was simply good. Covering ledge get ups doesnt make a character broken, as there are so many characters besides wolf eho can do such.
@IPromiseTomorrow
4 жыл бұрын
@@cubicalprobably There's footage of DSmash hitting about 2 units ( Unit is one small square in training mode.) Underneath the stage, which HAD to be patched
@pizzashark7067
4 жыл бұрын
It still hits underneath the stage my dudes, just to a slightly lesser extent than before.
@richpichu1272
4 жыл бұрын
N S P when did they nerf it ?!
@grandpasoldier8580
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah i think it was about time G&W became a good character after they did him dirty in melee
@jrkanaan
4 жыл бұрын
he was good in brawl and pm
@phanterratic
4 жыл бұрын
@@jrkanaan Ehh...
@grandpasoldier8580
4 жыл бұрын
@@jrkanaan he was definitely better in those games but not to the extent that he is in Ultimate
@tashi321
4 жыл бұрын
@@grandpasoldier8580 pretty sure gnw is just as good in Pm. he's an A tier right? I'd say he's close to if not just as good as he was in that game. def not brawl though lmaooo
@thejoester45
4 жыл бұрын
@@tashi321 GnW was fucking stupid in PM and he's still really good in the newest update
@gamenwatch6269
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a true G&W main and I will main him even when he is loved, hated, Bottom, or Top tier
@candysell
4 жыл бұрын
Same here. I've been using him since Brawl and have chosen other characters to use, but I always come back to Game and Watch
@tchha
4 жыл бұрын
Me too but if rayman gets out he's getting pocketed
@Gman3346
4 жыл бұрын
G&W mains rise up
@saniK6947
4 жыл бұрын
Me too
@leindx7415
4 жыл бұрын
Well said, I discovered my luv for him when I only had a wii mote and cpu's to play on brawl and since then I wanted to try him out on ultimate so badly, so even if he gets nerfed to oblivion to the point of being mid tier at best and still annoy people he will never stop being my main
@trouble8690
4 жыл бұрын
Y’all leave mr game and watch alone. Now that he’s finally decent he’s a problem 😂😭 let us have this
@snaxa163
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Everyone was fine with game and watch "being bad" but the second people see him as "being good" people say he's op and hate on him like if that isint the biggest bruh moment I've seen idk what is
@KidAL0
4 жыл бұрын
Falco is decent. Rosalina is decent. G&W is undoubtedly one of the most annoying characters in the game (which is why this video exists). Of course he’s a problem when the devs give him problematic attributes.
@atomicwiththreeos
4 жыл бұрын
He isn’t “decent” he’s really really fuckin good dude
@jacksample3978
4 жыл бұрын
@@atomicwiththreeos I haven't seen him in many peoples' top 10s or even top 15 on tier lists
@5C0RP_
4 жыл бұрын
@@KidAL0 gnw is glass cannon character
@UltraCboy
4 жыл бұрын
Me, a G&W main: “Write that down, write that down!”
@mistamemewide
4 жыл бұрын
Me, also a G&W Main: “DoYEEE DOYEEE!!” *_draws a 9._*
@raincastmusic
4 жыл бұрын
UltraCboy same
@jaguarnick4643
4 жыл бұрын
same LOL
@alexanderredhorse1297
4 жыл бұрын
@@mistamemewide this joke might be too advanced for them
@soupknife4677
4 жыл бұрын
Same
@Spencer-sn8cz
4 жыл бұрын
Entire video I was just chanting, "DOWN SMASH. DOWN SMASH. DOWN SMASH." Larry: "So Game and Watch's down sma-" Me: "WOOOOOOOOO! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH BABY! I CALLLLED IT. WOOOOOOO!!"
@silasnichols7593
4 жыл бұрын
Spencer It was in the thumbnail...
@capri_sunnn7935
4 жыл бұрын
and in the beginning of the video.. this aint it g
@Blittsplitt5
4 жыл бұрын
Not even his best tool.. Relax champ.
@Spencer-sn8cz
4 жыл бұрын
@@Blittsplitt5 lmao i know. But it's the one i get cheesed by the most lol.
@GEVOfficial
4 жыл бұрын
i_love_maister_woo out here
@bigman8733
4 жыл бұрын
9:03 I actually got cancer from watching that
@Zaft9
4 жыл бұрын
Bigman the fact that there’s even a hit box on him so that when you finally do get in you still get hit, just makes me cringe. Lmao.
@Blittsplitt5
4 жыл бұрын
Cry some more
@Blittsplitt5
4 жыл бұрын
@@Zaft9 Are you blind? That was a dash attack you fucking idiot
@Zaft9
4 жыл бұрын
Guy Lloyd not sure why you’re so mad lol but I was talking about the wolf rolling into GnW’s chef animation and getting hit for it - not the dash attack.
@popplio7891
4 жыл бұрын
Don’t expect balance from two-on-ones
@Chan0art
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think he is too broken I just think he is like one of the least honest characters in the game
@chrispo7610
4 жыл бұрын
I mean, everyone needs a little jank to be good, but this is too far
@reecerobin8413
4 жыл бұрын
The original Hero imo
@blackraptormoses6838
4 жыл бұрын
He's a counter to jank.
@Chan0art
4 жыл бұрын
@@blackraptormoses6838 bruh what do you mean? He *is* the jank
@AgentOrange502
4 жыл бұрын
@@chrispo7610 not even remotely true
@cruchinggo4678
4 жыл бұрын
g&w before Maister: Eh... he's a low tier character.. g&w after Maister: WTF !?!?!? Broken character!!! BANN!!
@VanillaMidgetSSBM
4 жыл бұрын
So tl;dr 1) GnW has the Safest OOS option meaning that he can just Hold shield on 90% of approaches and it's a valid option 2) His fast moves can lead to juggles / Judgment Cheese 3) Up-Smash is a move that can be thrown out and is wicked scary 4) His edge guarding is great against the entire cast. GnW as a character is what I call "Hbox Syndrome" Where he's definitely a really good character, but only a few people Main that character at top level since everyone else hates the character (Like Jigglypuff in Melee)
@mikeyes620
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know if g&w is quite as polarizing as melee jigglypuff.
@VanillaMidgetSSBM
4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeyes620 its definitely a close comparison
@rofflezwafflez1023
4 жыл бұрын
hbox syndrome in that mentally ill people don't want to give credit to a player for their skill with an upper mid tier character and make up outlandish nonsense about how powerful that character is(leffen syndrome). Yeah GnW is a lot like that.
@sulfur3684
4 жыл бұрын
@@rofflezwafflez1023 agree
@Whithered_Bonnie28
4 жыл бұрын
You forgot his down throw side B kill at 0% when the 9 comes out. 🙂
@einsdistribut7408
4 жыл бұрын
Why did I just realize that his nair is a fish tank? For some reason i always thought it's a parachute and didn't get why there were fish coming out of it... wow
@abaier82
3 жыл бұрын
It might have been in earlier games like melee but idk
@kota69420
3 жыл бұрын
It was a parachute in melee and project m
@queenbeeremedy6993
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Game And Watch guide, Larry! Keep up the good work!
@Birzt
4 жыл бұрын
I hate online GnW but not offline. They always have crap connection and abuse it.
@ploopoid9534
4 жыл бұрын
Lol as a game and watch main with ass internet I can agree but sometimes it's a double edged sword
@lossflight
4 жыл бұрын
I've mained him for years now. My time has come...
@0_clover740
4 жыл бұрын
can confirm, i main G&W and hate every part of him.
@E4439Qv5
4 жыл бұрын
"It's because he's black, isn't it?"
@MrSmashySmash
4 жыл бұрын
>Used to be the worst character in Melee >Is now considered broken How the tables have turned.
@E4439Qv5
4 жыл бұрын
Worst character in Melee is still Bowser.
@MrSmashySmash
4 жыл бұрын
@@E4439Qv5 at least he was a finished character. Game and Watch is all sorts of wonky.
@HakuzaPK
4 жыл бұрын
Literally every Gnw I see just defaults to using ftilt when they literally whiff anything
@VoluXian
4 жыл бұрын
and dtilt. Both are fast and mindless lol.
@E4439Qv5
4 жыл бұрын
"You've met your *match."* "Stop! *Hammer time."*
@gamingmaster6377
3 жыл бұрын
@@VoluXian yeah, but d-tilt can't hit airborne opponents, only when they are on the ground, and its a tad slower than f-tilt. However, it kills earlier, and you are crouching during the attack, so you may dodge some attacks and grabs
@aIkaIi
4 жыл бұрын
Me: Hits a Game & Watch's 978th shield Game & Watch: *You have activated my trap card* *_MASHES UP B_* Me: Gets hit Game & Watch: YOU THOUGHT I WAS DONE?? *_DOWN AIR_*
@E4439Qv5
4 жыл бұрын
Parachute + Key = Parakeet.
@Silve4
4 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion I don’t main Game and Watch and like him
@connorsarkissian3095
4 жыл бұрын
Same
@squirtleislife1312
4 жыл бұрын
Same here
@David-nn1cf
4 жыл бұрын
Personally I’d rather play a game and watch than any of the links, duck hunt, mega man, or banjo
@nicoleflores2054
4 жыл бұрын
The last one hurts me but at the same time *i honestly don't blame you, at all*
@dom2056
4 жыл бұрын
@JustFunKiro unlike those other characters a campy samus sucks and is easy to beat. Campy banjo and snake are pretty frustrating imo
@richpichu1272
4 жыл бұрын
David why not the links? Is it cause they projectile spam cause I don’t do that or if you find their easy to gimp recovery annoying (speaking from someone who got spiked by a Mac) idk then
@uptightpanic7058
4 жыл бұрын
Online banjo is absolute cancer
@mr.mcklockwork3828
4 жыл бұрын
id argue against Megaman. cuz his zoning cant kill and is really obvious
@TheJSRF001
4 жыл бұрын
Finally, after being garbage tier for YEARS G&W is good lmao
@zstryde501
4 жыл бұрын
Flat zone 1 music stay the hardest
@IncineRand
4 жыл бұрын
Alternate title: Why you should main or secondary G&W.
@Johnnycpublic
4 жыл бұрын
That's me currently haha
@Glawkus
4 жыл бұрын
I love G&W
@iantownshend9304
4 жыл бұрын
"why does everyone hate game and watch" long answer, Up B and down air short answer, 🆙️🅱️ - 👇💨
@Whithered_Bonnie28
4 жыл бұрын
I think I'd rather go with the long answer since I have to find the emojis that are misplaced in the Emoji Section of the phone...
@CJT49
4 жыл бұрын
D smash gets people riled up more than d air
@illegalmemedealer3549
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly this just gave me tips for playing G&W
@thebigboyyay
4 жыл бұрын
And, as Grayfruit says: He's a glass cannon character with more emphasis on glass
@pandinus1377
4 жыл бұрын
When your frame data is so good that it covers most of your spam it means almost nothing that you are light or heavy
@elllllllllliot
4 жыл бұрын
Pandinus we cannot spam meaninglessly, especially at kill percent, cause any disjointed option will probably kill and most of our best kill options aren’t great on approach. Also trying to play vs heavy characters means that we are very liable to die sub 70 if our approach gets read.
@pandinus1377
4 жыл бұрын
@@elllllllllliot depends, most heavies can be easily gimped and die from a combo or a single aerial off stage at dunno 40 or 50. Plus not everyone has disjoints, and a bunch of these light characters also have access to disjoints
@pandinus1377
4 жыл бұрын
@@thanks721 hey I think I do, as a heavy main my locals are 90% using light to mid/light chars, I've been playing them for years thats pretty much the only matchup I know, in fact whenever my wi-fi doesn't die and I go online I'm always weirded out whenever I fight other heavies lmao. My main is dorf wich is the worst offender of "can dish it out but can't keep up" but other heavies like bowser definitely have a much better time with the insane speed, super armor and surprisingly fast moves
@davidquintanilla9330
2 жыл бұрын
His up b is the only fast move. Maybe jab. Everyone who can't out space him has better frame data. (Pichu, Squirtle, Kirby, honestly Kirby can out space him but prefers not to)
@mariopuzo3361
4 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the video title I was like "oh, this is going to be a video about up B". That move is b a n a n a s
@SkyanUltra
4 жыл бұрын
As someone who plays R.O.B. and G&W, I enjoy watching people go through pain and complain about my character picks. It always brings a special joy to my heart.
@Ekmos-
2 жыл бұрын
there is special place in hell for losers like you
@dededeleted4793
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ekmos- And It's a very respectful and welcoming one.
@kiwifluorite
2 жыл бұрын
I see I’m not the only sadist game and watch player out there.
@Bo6us
2 жыл бұрын
Oh R.O.B. is combo candy for my Shiek.
@theimpersonator7086
4 жыл бұрын
The best part about GNW is he is the only character that actually beats the Rat. It is so lovely seeing Pickachu get tormented the same way he does to most of the cast. In all seriousness though, GNW only being good for taking out the Rat is not a good sign of Ults meta. Ideally I would change both chars GNW: -Reduced Hitboxes on Up B so opponents. Make so were Up B is still big but not as unpunishable as it currently is. -Remove I Frames on Up B. Perfect example of Smash characters having random I frames on certain moves -Up Smash invincibility is only on the Head The Rat: I really hate this character but to avoid gutting him -Increased hurtbox size in all forms -Delete Pancaking -More endlag on Tjolt and QA I know there is this debate of buffing worse characters instead of nerfing the top tiers. Issue is that GNW and Pickachu strong points would require mass buffs in order to weaken them. -Massive buff to Grabs in Range,Frame Data, Available combos and confirms, and kill power for GNW -Massive hitbox and mobility buffs do that characters can actually hit and punish Pickachu
@mcgamerboi3523
4 жыл бұрын
The Impersonator as a pikachu main ive been hating game and watch from the beginning,I knew from the start he was my worst match up besides ness,maybe that’s just me though.anyway I don’t think neither the characters should be nerfed.pikachu is super light and dies pretty quickly so the hurt box nerd would make him like how olimar was.his t jolt has a lot more end lag than it looks so if a pika spams it you can close the distance by running in.i don’t mind it getting nerfed though since I don’t abuse that move like I should.if quick attack gets nerfed I think it might hurt pika a lot since that’s his only escape option,maybe make it so that it stops on shield?for game and watch I hate him but I don’t want to see him get nerfed since he was never good until now and he would be like Pichu,was good and fun but than pooped on by nerfs,I don’t like seeing characters getting nerfed.
@NeoVault_
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. GnW should give that yellow turd complete hell. Pikachu NEEDS a larger hitbox. So many times online, it feels like when I attack it, my moves phase through or don't connect. Sick of getting juggled by it whenever I am not playing a certain character to counter it. Game and Watch is unironically less frustrating.
@theimpersonator7086
4 жыл бұрын
@@mcgamerboi3523 I would disagree with a lot. A lot of characters have a nighmarish time actually hitting and punishing Pickachu due to his Pancaking and hurtboxes issues. This makes it a lot harder to kill him than it should be unless you are like Mario, but few characters in Ult have good hitboxes for short characters. Pickachu is so hard to hit that he even beats a lot of sword characters, despite him being designed to lose to them. If Pickachu want to he can camp most of the cast with ease between QA and TJolt. If characters with Reflectors can struggle with him. QA invalidates Edgeguarding and Ledge Trapping, while also making it so that a lot of characters cant juggle or corner Pickachu. I feel more endlag it is pretty fair all things considered.
@IAm-zo1bo
4 жыл бұрын
Mario.
@jatinmarcob2128
4 жыл бұрын
@@theimpersonator7086 As a Pika main, I agree with increased hurtbox to prevent pancaking. It really wouldn't be too big of a deal imo, but I'm not a pro like Esam. For up-b nerfs, the best thing to do is make it stop on shields. That way, it can actually be punished if you anticipate it, and would feel more rewarding for Pika players when they hit their opponent with it. I feel like this would be enough to keep Pika's strengths just the way they are, while making his weaknesses actually noticeable.
@thomasg7060
4 жыл бұрын
Basically Up 🅱️ OOS
@ripwaluigi5234
4 жыл бұрын
While yes you can technically punish his recovery, it's invincible from frame 5-13, so, uh, yea...
@ved95
4 жыл бұрын
The thing is, his recovery puts him in a bad position. Sure you can dair, but it's easily read and has some end lag on impact.
@ripwaluigi5234
4 жыл бұрын
@@ved95 just grab the ledge 4Head
@ved95
4 жыл бұрын
@@Porygo Hey maybe if people used their brain and played patiently, the up B becomes very predictable and avoiding it isn't too difficult. From there G&W's slow air speed and predictable dair allow you to punish him. People who can't do this are just unable to play patiently and wait for G&W to open himself up.
@ved95
4 жыл бұрын
@@Porygo Yes but the thing is you should never be hitting gw shield head on. Thats just not playing smart. Instead using shield pokes and ranged attacks is more useful. I DO see how it could be considered annoying though, even though his options out of up B are limited and since his air speed is slow, he's easy to chase. Good point though i see your point about how fast it is and how it cant be crossed.
@boshyvic
4 жыл бұрын
Game and Watch has the most loyal fanbase i’ve ever seen i love it
@L00t00wii
4 жыл бұрын
Do you love killing people by accident? Have you ever dreamed of being launched into orbit at 40%? How about force feeding your opponent untill they leave the game? If you said yes to all of those then G&W might be your new main
@oshifudge
4 жыл бұрын
albino, you fucken idiot
@Jarekthegamingdragon
4 жыл бұрын
PM Players: "First time?"
@OrangeToadGamer
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like Game & Watch is hated because of his moves & animations look and act janky
@MiaoNya
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that aspect makes him impossible to telegraph effectively.
@HakuzaPK
4 жыл бұрын
He's also a pain in the ass
@gothtearz
4 жыл бұрын
I main him but he's really annoying to fight against (If I'm not using my secondary or someone else good).
@CastafioreOnYoutube
4 жыл бұрын
It's a matter of matchup knowledge. His moves have ambiguous startup but extremely distinct animations. After maining G&W for three smash games I know his ins & outs far well enough to be able to play against him without much trouble telegraphic-wise. Playing around his shield is much tougher, because even if you know the matchup, you just simply can't touch his shield recklessly and there's no amount of game knowledge that can change that fact.
@OrangeToadGamer
4 жыл бұрын
@@gothtearz I think the same thing about Palutena, I main her but she's annoying to fight against
@k2a2l2
4 жыл бұрын
ive always loved game n watch, cant lie hes one of the most interesting characters in the game
@LalitoTV
4 жыл бұрын
Remember He can also combo jab to the bucket
@Greeds_
4 жыл бұрын
and to up b
@pink1200
4 жыл бұрын
and the landing hit box of downair.
@yourboy9236
4 жыл бұрын
Wait really? Do you have a video of this?
@slump8665
4 жыл бұрын
@@yourboy9236 watch maister play against literally anyone with energy based projectiles
@dangsang1778
4 жыл бұрын
Your Boy i watch maister here and there and i havent seen it yet hm
@angrypepe7615
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone needs to calm down and stop begging for characters to be nerfed. Look at the pgru and look at how diverse the characters are. Everyone needs to stop preaching for nerfs to top tiers when we already have a very balanced game. Besides look at how much sakurai actually nerfs characters anyway and how much more he prefers to buff characters. Complaining that one character is to good won't do anything. LET CHARACTERS BE GOOD.
@mathunit1
4 жыл бұрын
The nerfs to Joker certainly don't do anything to him in the long-term of top tier status.
@angrypepe7615
4 жыл бұрын
@@mathunit1 and? The meta is incredibly diverse and joker isn't even close to being as dominant as bayonetta or meta knight. The game is incredibly health and we don't need drastic nerfs like people are preaching for. All that is needed for the game to be health is to tone down the ridiculousness of certain moves and to buff the underpowered characters. Besides that the game is already balanced so well. Like I've said the top players are incredibly diverse in characters, and basically every character can win a tournament. The biggest factor in winning isn't how good your character is but how good you are. There isn't any bs with low level bayo's are winning against top players instead winning is knowing the matchup and being better then you opponent at the game.
@bruxtle
4 жыл бұрын
I play g&w and everyone hates me wtf
@elijahmcgill3137
4 жыл бұрын
Bruxtle I hate you
@bruxtle
4 жыл бұрын
@@elijahmcgill3137 why
@elijahmcgill3137
4 жыл бұрын
Bruxtle just jokes😂 I just suck at the matchup
@bruxtle
4 жыл бұрын
@@elijahmcgill3137 oh ok
@bruxtle
4 жыл бұрын
@@elijahmcgill3137 fight me
@steb5394
4 жыл бұрын
Based off his strengths and flaws, it seems the best way to beat G&W is to be super defensive. He seems to be dependent off the opponent being aggressive. But can't do too much if he is the one being aggressive.
@snaxa163
4 жыл бұрын
This is true honestly
@callinater6133
4 жыл бұрын
In certain match ups g&w can be aggressive.
@davidquintanilla9330
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah casual players just run straight into him and get punished, then they don't DI so that's prolly why there's so much hate. I can't stress as a g&w main how annoying it is when someone has zoning tools or lots of ground speed and just pokes you and camps the whole game. It's just about impossible to win. I mean really, try doing two falco lasers then snuff out whatever approach option he uses. None of his approach options except maybe back air beat anybody else's options if you play reactively.
@tweezersalad4075
4 жыл бұрын
Idk why people bandwagon hate G&W when Fox's bread and butter is just his up smash and Joker exist lol
@crodojoe
4 жыл бұрын
What about hero lol
@joe727
4 жыл бұрын
I love light is getting destroyed by game & watch in the background. Game & watch should be nerfed but by a tiny bit. I mean like 1 thing, I don't main game & watch and I don't want to see him be nerfed really hard. Also, great vid larry.
@finn_6775
4 жыл бұрын
Hes needs a small nerf
@kirbob
4 жыл бұрын
buff other characters, indirect nerfing is more fun for everyone
@Drake_Waffle
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a G&W main, but I thing I heard said alot before all the new complaints is spot dodge to down smash, *and repeat*, but yeah just make that a less safe option in some way and that's all I'll say
@IAm-zo1bo
4 жыл бұрын
Nerf up b
@lemonboy5498
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, if they just gave down smash and up smash more lag and made Up B a little worse at setting up juggles then G&W would be a perfectly reasonable character.
@MadameXara
4 жыл бұрын
The only complaints against game & watch I see are people who play campy characters and are just bad at trying to actually play the game without camping.
@excluxxive
4 жыл бұрын
No wonder I dont have friends
@grimaa
4 жыл бұрын
PoinkQFC Soviet Dog.
@excluxxive
4 жыл бұрын
@@grimaa Santa dog.
@bloxxer420
4 жыл бұрын
In my dreams: Update notes: *removed Mr. Game and watch*
@SuperMarioMC
4 жыл бұрын
Just get good 4Head
@leaffinite2001
4 жыл бұрын
I love that hes good in this game. He deserves it. I cant play him though; Playing him feels like trying to draw a circle without moving my wrist, fingers, or elbow. Its weird
@erickalvarez6486
4 жыл бұрын
What Maister has done, proud of the boy.
@Superluigi881
4 жыл бұрын
He hasn't been good in any other smash game. Just let him have this one.
@toshiro-kano
4 жыл бұрын
He was always good he is just SLIGHTLY better in ultimate
@nasher99
4 жыл бұрын
Yunyun never past c tier bro
@Superluigi881
4 жыл бұрын
Yunyun Bad in melee because he doesn't have the tech to shave end lag off his moves and a useless shield. He was decent in brawl for whatever that's worth with chain grabbing Ice climbers running around... oh and Meta Knight. And he was average to below average in 4.
@nasher99
4 жыл бұрын
Superluigi881 more like average in brawl and bad in 4. Honestly if one of you’re best games is brawl you might need a rework and thank god we got one.
@mloops
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know, Mgaw was my main and I destroyed level 9's.
@mrmwm5446
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of this could be solved if Up B just put him in helpless. His aerials should stay strong because he’s pretty lightweight. But his up B being helpless weakens his premier OOS option. Except on stages with platforms
@largenaq2935
4 жыл бұрын
mr mwm He’s not broken though, no need to nerf him
@mrmwm5446
4 жыл бұрын
Naqromancer My guy did you watch the video
@AverageHandle_
4 жыл бұрын
mr mwm yeah he did and he isn’t broken except up smash
@mrmwm5446
4 жыл бұрын
Joe Mama How do you know he did And he isnt broken but that particular option is OD
@AverageHandle_
4 жыл бұрын
mr mwm that made no sense
@IAm-zo1bo
4 жыл бұрын
He is like mario but more annoying
@heresplitatom9945
4 жыл бұрын
I main Game and Watch, it feels surreal to have your character being the center of hatred after almost two decades of his existence. It's also funny as hell.
@thelifesampler
3 жыл бұрын
2 decades of existence, you mean 4 decades of his existence.
@david_8916
4 жыл бұрын
Two reasons why I hate him: 1. Kills almost every character at 0% with a 9 2. N O F U C K I N G E N D L A G
@JEANS__
4 жыл бұрын
true but wheres MRS game and watch, surley this people would hate HER less :flushed
@nagitokomaeda6129
4 жыл бұрын
Someone called me?
@suby_edits800
4 жыл бұрын
Nerf culture has ruined this game.
@almondjoy4938
4 жыл бұрын
For real. Let characters be good,dammit!
@nicoleflores2054
4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes i don't understand the fans, they complain about characters being too bad, saying "don't play this character" or "this character sucks", etc BUT when it's about a character being good, they complain with "this character is too OP" or "Nerf this character" And mostly say "tHiS cHarActer Is BrAinDeAd" like, i don't get it.
@angrypepe7615
4 жыл бұрын
Seriously this game is incredibly well balanced for the most part yeah the top tiers are still better but it's not like you are at a major disadvantage for using worse characters. It's not like G&W is overly oppressive anyway but because one player is doing well and they find him boring suddenly we need to get rid of him. Reminds me of a certain pink puffball in another game.
@Abomdosnow
4 жыл бұрын
Some nerfs are fine though. You can make the argument that nerfing aspects about a character that make things too easy/reward them for playing badly are good because it rewards actual skill and develops the meta further because of it. But nerfing characters that are powerful that DO take skill is bad.
@suby_edits800
4 жыл бұрын
@@Abomdosnow But you only see mid level players really complaining for nerfs, especially to characters that don't need them like Game and Watch. It's one thing to nerf a character because they're actually overpowering, (Brawl MK, Bayonetta, Cloud) it's another to nerf because lack of matchup knowledge. You're only rewarding the people who dedicate less time to learning matchups.
@illattaio3917
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a G&W main in every single smash game (not in 64 for obvious reasons), because I love his playstyle and his jankiness, that's the reason why the tier list means nothing for me and my love for the character...well, until now. I remember when at the beginning of the game the character was considered bad, for his new fair, uair, down-tilt and other (stupid) things, Zero put him in the bottom tier just above Little Mac in version 2.0.1, and even at the time I onestly thought that he was better than that, not a high-tier but a mid-tier character at least, then the months passed.....and passed.....and passed until people started to realize that he was indeed a good character. And immediately after people started to complain about his up-b and his down-smash, two things that have been in the game since december 2018, this infuriated me, not for the complaints themsleves, I was infuriated with the "pecoroni". I'm Italian and pecoroni means: "big sheeps", we usually use this word when someone follows a person or and opinion without thinking about it, a large part of the smash community IS full of these sheeps, why? For the pecoroni if a top player puts a character a in a certain tier it automatically means that it's true, they don't try to go through or to think about it, they just accept It. Then people start to call you a "cancer", I repeat, just because some pro player changed his mind, that's sad and pathetic. Do i think he's broken? In some ways yes, but guys, remember the FACT that he's received veeeery few buffs since the beginning and this controversy started recently.
@thegamingguy1
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine playing against this character online with the token 15 frames of input lag. Literally why am i even playing at that point? I wish this game wasnt so dumb:(
@mr.mcklockwork3828
4 жыл бұрын
honestly there are ALOT of really stupid things in this game.
@emanchi8403
4 жыл бұрын
I hate him cuz of his down smash and his hitboxes overall are just really unclear
@sailor3047
4 жыл бұрын
"i'll explain" don't have to. in the first clip maister punished esam for punishing his whiffed up smash lol
@BlinkoutIRL
4 жыл бұрын
I have hated game and watch since S4. One of my best friends is a G&W main. I complain because he is annoying to play against, unfun to watch and difficult to read if you dont memories the frame data.
@Jake04531
4 жыл бұрын
Luis Delgado i love game and watch...
@MooeysAura
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a GNW main I LOVE GNW he's the coolest character
@AwesomeMooseSmile
4 жыл бұрын
I emplore you to play literally any other character, I promise all of them are cooler.
@MooeysAura
4 жыл бұрын
@@AwesomeMooseSmile too late I main Paisy now lol
@RayZin
4 жыл бұрын
End lag? Haven’t heard that word in a long time
@scdont_interupt_boi8091
4 жыл бұрын
I love him tho
@mishmash6858
4 жыл бұрын
ok maister
@ycleptprof.5249
4 жыл бұрын
I love G&W too, man.
@gjmguy7994
4 жыл бұрын
@The Guy says the person who would rather beg for a nerf than actually learn the matchup.
@scdont_interupt_boi8091
4 жыл бұрын
The Guy no u
@scdont_interupt_boi8091
4 жыл бұрын
Garrison Martin thanks for having my back, I didn’t even know he was op
@popplio7891
4 жыл бұрын
G&W may be annoying, yet I will always prefer fighting a spammy G&W than any Ness
@oscarGlez93
4 жыл бұрын
You forgot to add that he has not only the safest but also the most useful jab in the game for all purposes since the first hit is a guaranteed mixup, you can eat around 30-40% damage if he traps you on the ledge and it can also kill
@thesxex
4 жыл бұрын
man, remember when ultimate first came out and everyone was crying that he was unplayably bad?
@ThirtyfourEC
4 жыл бұрын
The only real problem(s) I have with G&W are his animations. His moves tend to have 2-3 animation frames with no keyfames in between. The total frames of his moves being short as hell compared to the majority of the cast makes him incredibly difficult to whiff punish. That being said, Maister's bait and bait and bait and punish playstyle is a treat to watch. Glad he achieved his goal of top 2 at a super major. Can't wait to see him at the top.
@richpichu1272
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like a bunch of characters are going to drop later in the meta and i feel link is going to get nerfed and drop to low tier like all the other smash games thus is coming from a link main
@AverageHandle_
4 жыл бұрын
He shouldn’t be nerfed though because link is fine
@benjiramirez7712
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone remember that dsmash isn't safe on block in fact it's pretty punishable
@Aidenkun64
4 жыл бұрын
I dropped Game and Watch in Ultimate because his forward air changed. Man do I regret that now.
@happycamperds9917
4 жыл бұрын
“Can we really look at our fellow man and look down upon them?” *Looks at G&W mains* “Yes, yes we can.”
@Berettadv
4 жыл бұрын
Yea the excessive amount of character hatred on Twitter is pretty crazy. It may not be my place, but I think it’s perpetuated by some high profile competitors. They look at Leffen or Armada complaining about characters (except their own mains of course) and believe it’s ok to do it themselves. To be fair, they set a bad example for the rest of the community especially for 2 adults in their mid 20’s.
@nicoleflores2054
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's not suprising if you see Twitter complaining about something.
@candysell
4 жыл бұрын
@@nicoleflores2054 Yeah, the twitter community is a joke. You could say a funny unoffensive joke and they will find a reason to get offended by it.
@CaravanNoobs
4 жыл бұрын
About time for Mr.G&W to become a viable threat. This is a good timeline.
@kkokay4
4 жыл бұрын
Except his playstyle is degenerate and braindead so its not very good for ults metagame. Literally spam smash atks in neutral and never get punished.
@interstell7798
4 жыл бұрын
@@kkokay4 lmao you can easily punish down smash and side smash. And if you play clever even up smash. Just because you cant be brain dead while fighting him doesnt mean he has a degenerate playstyle, it only means you need to get better at the match up. Stop crying about it lmao
@zoidbergington
4 жыл бұрын
G&W has the problem that he is only good if you play him optimally. Then playing him optimally is just boring to watch once you understand what is going on.
@njkool8859
4 жыл бұрын
me is exist does his hammers extend his hurtbox on down smash?
@interstell7798
4 жыл бұрын
@@njkool8859 no? They are hammers. Do swords extend the hurtbox of the swordies? Of course not that would be stupid.
@SirKing97
Жыл бұрын
Mr Game and Watch it's such a cool character tho and he's moveset it's fun to use, I glad it's got a spot in top tier list well deserved I still gonna main him
@aa7146
4 жыл бұрын
I love my starving African child. He can 9 me anyday on any character
@MortanAMrk
2 жыл бұрын
Have been in love with Mr Game & Watch ever since i first played smash (Brawl) i just enjoy playing as a dumbass, depends on the day its either him or dedede, ill always love him no matter if hes garbage or not
@realchoodle
4 жыл бұрын
G&W gets the most undeserved hate in the game.
@wingedbluj1674
4 жыл бұрын
Two words. Down smash
@AverageHandle_
4 жыл бұрын
Winged BluJ nah
@realchoodle
4 жыл бұрын
Winged BluJ only if there was a way to block attacks or to dash back or to hit game and watch from far away
@roelliesafari9988
4 жыл бұрын
The smas bros community is so whiny. Whenever one pro player preforms well with a character they're immidiately broken. I remember people complaining about joker after MKLeo, and now about G&W after Maister. The answer is just to adapt instead of complaining. These characters aren't anywhere near Bayonetta or Meta knight in terms of brokenness
@TigerKwan
4 жыл бұрын
I have a god damn fear of chairs. Can't sit when i play smash anymore
@rofflezwafflez1023
4 жыл бұрын
More people would be maining this character if he was as good as people like to pretend he is. A horizontally slow super light with its only realistic kill options being charged smash attacks and chain back airs deep off stage. Yeah what a fucking unstoppable juggernaut. Literally one person can "contend" at majors maining the character.
@rawtrout007
4 жыл бұрын
he's my main and favorite character
@Strategistmaster
4 жыл бұрын
I got hit with 3 "9s" in a 1v1 3 stick game against him. *AND I FUCKING WON*
@stolenmemes4432
4 жыл бұрын
Do a “Why everyone hates Bowser”....I don’t know but I feel like anybody who uses him actually gets carried, but maybe I’m just terrible playing with Bowsers 💀
@ablecabrera1853
4 жыл бұрын
His command grab is BS, tbh he needs a decent nerf.
@moistnugget24
4 жыл бұрын
It is absolutely your fault if you do badly against bowsers. Whether they are carried or not, you should be able to see your mistakes instead of just making excuses regarding the game.
@coolkidsclub9943
4 жыл бұрын
As a Bowser main, I do get a lot of mean looks at the character select screen, but Bowser has tons of bad matchups. Tough guy is a mean passive ability, and if you forget and go into a rapid jab, then you'll get punished really hard. Tbh the best counter would be a stage where both his down air and down b can't get him safely, like Lylat cruise. Otherwise, Bowser can be comboed for days because he's huge, so just choose a character that can latter combo like Mario and you'll probably be fine. He also struggles a little against super projectile heavy characters like Plant or Zelda. Also be mindful of his up b out of shield, which I'd argue is 2nd best to Game and Watch purely because of the speed and duration of the hitbox. Hope that helped! Lmk if you'd like to know more about him! I don't think he needs and buffs or nerfs in my opinion.
@stolenmemes4432
4 жыл бұрын
MoistNugget thank you, I’ll try to adapt
@stolenmemes4432
4 жыл бұрын
CoolCids Clan thank you too!! Honestly people like you in the smash community is needed, not toxic ones, I appreciate your help!
@davidquintanilla9330
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah and when u get bored of spamming ur good moves, after which point ur opponent is super tilted and losing, then you can let rng take their last stock at 0%.
@notmooxchicken4novlogsandn962
3 жыл бұрын
“Just learn the matchup” -every GnW player
@MediocreGiant52
Жыл бұрын
It’s ridiculous that ppl know game and watch more in smash bros than the actual GAME AND WATCH games.
@mitrimind1027
4 жыл бұрын
Me: "Hey maybe Ganondorf should have a frame 7 up b" Ganon haters: "that would be op" G&W: sweats nervously.
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