The problem is with assuming "how we understand homosexuality today" - as if any traditional understanding is anachronistic. This implicitly takes for granted that we are making real progress in understanding homosexuality. I wholeheartedly disagree that we have somehow gotten better at understanding this sinful behavior.
@observingyt6159
8 ай бұрын
it's a really bad argument, ancient peoples put there pants on one leg at a time same as us
@StudentDad-mc3pu
8 ай бұрын
It's not sinful. That's really the point.
@FrJohnBrownSJ
8 ай бұрын
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Do you believe in sin at all? If so, what makes something a sin?
@jyllianrainbow7371
8 ай бұрын
There is also this bizarre conflation going on between same-sex acts and "progress" as if giving into base physical desires without thinking is somehow the modern thing to do. It's a weird rejection of the reality that controlling one's body is the modern concept and simply giving into whatever feels good without thinking of the consequences or logical reasons not to is what humans were much more likely to do in ancient times.
@Tttb95
8 ай бұрын
You give me hope for your order. If only the vocal ones were as good as you.
@pdxnikki1
8 ай бұрын
I'm 2 mos sober yall! By the great mercy & grace of Jesus thru our Blessed Lady & His given 12 steps based largely on Sermon on the Mount.
@JH-qi9pz
7 ай бұрын
Congratulations on a huge accomplishment! God bless and never give up.
@hectare
2 ай бұрын
i stumbled on your comment just now - i hope you're still doing well! my prayers are with you.
@donnie56
8 ай бұрын
I’ve seen a few videos recently of KZitemrs covering other people. You are among the few that don’t mock and ridicule the other person in the video. Keep up the quality and respectfulness!
@roberteaston6413
7 ай бұрын
Even though I am an evangelical Protestant I enjoyed listening to Michael Voris on Church Militant. He had no use for people like me but his condemnation of liberals was good. It is sad that he fell into sin.
@IsraelCountryCube
7 ай бұрын
@@roberteaston6413 yep Amen.
@joefranco6047
Ай бұрын
It's not mocking if it's the truth. Some people are much better at saying the same thing but in a nicer way
@FatherJMarcelPortelli
8 ай бұрын
Trent Horn's rebuttals always personify 1 Peter 3:15 which says, "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect".
@donnie56
8 ай бұрын
^agreed, all too many videos these days are just mockeries and slanderous towards the other they refer to.
@majkomira
8 ай бұрын
I have stopped watching Fr Casey’s videos. Maybe it is my personal reaction to a priest who says, no! He does not pray the rosary! 😱😳
@GirleyYrreverre-k4n
7 ай бұрын
@@majkomira he’s not praying the rosary doesn’t mean he doesn’t believe in it… he just have other preference on how to pray… do you pray the rosary everyday?
@edelmary1131
7 ай бұрын
@@majkomira has he publically said he does not say the rosary ...oh dear....when and where can I see evidence of this
@tibet499
7 ай бұрын
Stupidity remains stupidity however dished
@bobthebuildest6828
8 ай бұрын
fr casey is very strange sometimes he says good stuff and sometimes im wishing his superior had not let him have a youtube channel
@DanyTV79
8 ай бұрын
Maybe people needs to write his superior in order to that.
@conservativecatholic9030
8 ай бұрын
@@DanyTV79I’m pretty sure his superior knows what he’s doing.
@iwansaputra1890
8 ай бұрын
maybe he gay himself
@eucharistenjoyer
8 ай бұрын
He built a following teaching solid doctrine first, but in topics that weren't important or didn't contradict (in a superficial level) the views of his progressive agenda. Now that he's amassed a good enough following he's showing his true rainbow colors and leading as many people astray as he can. And I'm sure he thinks wholeheartedly that he's doing good by modernizing the Church, not as some evil plan, but it's still evil.
@adrianmizen5070
8 ай бұрын
Casey follows the same strategy as Fernandez with regard to traditional Catholicism: (1) state agreement with the teaching; (2) undermine and hollow out the teaching of any practical meaning. If someone criticizes (2), just point to (1).
@husq48
8 ай бұрын
Some will argue if God condemns homosexuality then why did he make it pleasurable, meaning why is it pleasurable for both partners. Horrible argument! The same argument could be made for drugs and a host of other sins. "Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God." Pleasure becomes idolatrous.
@BrianHoldsworth
8 ай бұрын
Glad to see you did this response, Trent. I'd like to give Fr. Casey the benefit of the doubt, but I often have concerns when I watch his content.
@marinanguish9928
8 ай бұрын
I am sure he means well, but I definitely have concerns with some of his content, based on the admittedly little I have seen.
@marcokite
8 ай бұрын
@@marinanguish9928 - Cole CLEARLY does not mean well, his vids are very disturbing
@marcokite
8 ай бұрын
It's not possible do watch more than 2 or 3 of his anti-Catholic videos and give Cole the benefit of the doubt.
@domburton
8 ай бұрын
@@marcokitepoor fella has swallowed modernism.
@sebastianofmilan
8 ай бұрын
Brian, are you familiar with the channel "Scholastic Answers"?
@a_Catholic_Ant
8 ай бұрын
0:04 ACKCHYUALLY made me laugh. That's all I'm gonna say.
@DavGre
8 ай бұрын
This is why Tradition exists. It prevents us from falling into the trap of thinking we “know better than those who came before” or that “this time is different”.
@BardicLiving
8 ай бұрын
Would you say though that all traditions serve a good purpose?
@DavGre
8 ай бұрын
@@BardicLiving Any Tradition built on serving God and His Truth, first and foremost, is the highest good that can be achieved.
@BardicLiving
8 ай бұрын
@@DavGre It seems as if many conflicting traditions and laws have that as their stated purpose, though - e.g. when and how to observe the Sabbath, what kinds of food/drinks are acceptable, or when and how it’s appropriate to end a marriage.
@OldMotherLogo
8 ай бұрын
Agreed. Let’s return to the tradition of slavery. It was good enough for the Old Testament, it was good enough for the New Testament, it had the approval of the Popes and Church Fathers and stood for thousands of years. Stick with tradition!
@becausecontextmatters5260
8 ай бұрын
I think you unknowingly make a good point, the real authority is tradition, the bible is just there to justify it. Few hundred years ago, the bible was used to justify slavery, because that was tradition, until it stopped, so people are now reinterpreting the bible as anti-slavery.
@0live0wire0
8 ай бұрын
I'm an Orthodox Christian and I have to say Trent did a great job defending our common faith ground here. Give credit where credit is due. I believe Fr. Cole knows perfectly well what he's doing and is subverting Scripture by poking holes in its interpretation by the Church and getting a foot in the door for future "developments" (the plan B mentioned). We are all in a spiritual battle and must defend the true faith.
@katydidd6321
8 ай бұрын
I'm with you on Fr. Cole knowing exactly what he's doing, yeah. If it's one thing I wish, its that my fellow Catholics would get on the ball about this because too many of them seem to have trouble wrapping their brains around the whole subversion thing calling those of us who talk about it, "rad trads". And I get it, its beyond a lot of people to grasp just why anyone would do this, never mind how. Because we're all genuinely good people who'd never consider deconstructing anything out of spite or some sadistic desire to cause pain. Its hard to think that there are a bunch of people out there who vow to do exactly that - it still comes hard to me and I've been engaging in this culture war for over a decade, it still breaks my heart to think about this stuff. I wish I didn't know half of what I know. But yeah, people need to wise up, although to be fair I think a lot of them are beginning to come around now. Thank you brother (or sister), and God bless you. 🙏
@justsomevids4541
8 ай бұрын
@@katydidd6321the issue here is that u guys are assuming without evidence that Fr Casey Cole has these malicious intentions, this is sinful to do
@mangispangi
8 ай бұрын
Exactly sir. Fr Cole knows what he is doing and it clearly goes hand in hand with the very sly and beat around the bushy way the Catholic higher ups are leading people into believing doctrines of devils.
@piface3016
8 ай бұрын
At the end of the video, Fr. Casey says: "Casting out people simply for how they were CREATED... (dramatic pause)... couldn't be further from the teaching of the Bible" He obviously scripted the video and put emphasis on that part on purpose. He probably does have an agenda, but not the courage to be sincere about it.
@katydidd6321
8 ай бұрын
@@justsomevids4541 The subversion of the Church for the purpose of coercing the masses to live contrary to the teachings of Christ the Savior is malicious acta non verba, and Trent Horn lays out the evidence in his videos quite succinctly. Pax vobiscum.
@Tzimiskes3506
8 ай бұрын
Trent is literally the Cavalry
@phillipnewton7292
7 ай бұрын
First point, at 1:30, the catechism also refers to homosexual acts, making Father Casey right. There is no disagreement, just a lack of defining the term "homosexuality." Fr. Casey seems to use it as a characteristic intrinsic to the person. And yes, we do need someone to remind us the difference between condemning acts and condemning people apart from their acts. To use alcohoism properly, as anyone in AA can tell you, a person with alcoholism may never touch another drink, yet still have alcoholism. FYI, another way to see homosexuality a part of society, as in, "homosexuality in America." This is a third issue.
@SteubenThursday
8 ай бұрын
Great video! "People will argue, “we know more about homosexuality now than we did then” maybe so. But are you then suggesting God knew less than we do now? For either all Scripture is God-breathed, or it isn’t. Either we believe Christ, or we don’t." -Fr. Calvin Robinson
@Dienekes678
8 ай бұрын
What a great speech by Calvin!
@becausecontextmatters5260
8 ай бұрын
God-breathed means it has the power to give life, it doesn't mean that God wrote it
@tomasrocha6139
6 ай бұрын
Isn't that what Christians have done with slavery?
@Catholicity-uw2yb
Ай бұрын
God breathed, but fallible men wrote.
@rusty_fpv_6881
8 ай бұрын
Huge respect from a Protestant for not looking outwards but first taking the plank out of your own camps eye we need more of this going around
@WilberWiley
7 ай бұрын
Why dont you go to a protestant website? I am sick of protestants putting their two cents into catholic matters. Read Hillaire Bellocs book, The "Great Heresies". You are a Heretic of the catholic church. When I was a kid we were not even allowed to talk to protestants. And until around 60 years ago the churches official teaching on protestants is that you will not be saved. I think that may be true, because protestants mock the Blessed Mother, (Jesus' Mother) and Dont believe in the Holy Eucharist. How is thinking like that going to get you saved? First you tell Jesus you hate His mother, and then you tell Him (Jesus) that He is a liar by not believing that His Body Soul and Divinity is the Holy Eucharist. Read John 6:53 again. He never said it was a symbol.
@roberteaston6413
7 ай бұрын
I am a Protestant who has done volunteer work at two missions. We give food and clothing to poor and homeless people. Of course, we preach the gospel. Many of the people we help are Roman Catholics. Sometimes we win a person to Christ. I do not think that Roman Catholics have to worry about our mission work. Any "Roman Catholic" we win to Christ was not much of a Catholic anyways. They may have been born into a Catholic family and baptised Catholic but they have not been practicing Catholics for years. You know what Catholics say. Poor Catholics become Protestants and good Protestants become Catholic.
@WilberWiley
7 ай бұрын
@@roberteaston6413 So why are you still Protestant?
@WilberWiley
5 ай бұрын
You have a plank in your eye if you are protestant and reject the Holy Eucharist. Jesus never said it was a symbol. You dont know what you are talking about. Reread St Johns gospel 6:53, or read it for the first time.
@dylanoshell93
4 ай бұрын
Though I'm a Protestant pastor, I love your channel Trent! Well done. Important conversation to be having, especially today.
@zacdredge3859
8 ай бұрын
It's worth noting that the basis for condemnation of Sodom and Gomorrah was not mutually exclusive; to reason that because it was about oppression that it therefore wasn't about sexual immorality is to engage dishonestly with the text of Scripture.
@ludwigvonsowell5347
8 ай бұрын
“Greed and injustice” when they literally were trying to sodomize angels because they were so sexually depraved. This is like saying the problem with strip clubs is that they have profits.
@JohnHenrysaysHi
8 ай бұрын
I think of this Bible verse regarding "Well, actually's"...where I think the first envious deconstructionist was the devil with his first words: Genesis 3:1 "Now the snake was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the Lord God had made. He asked the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You shall not eat from any of the trees in the garden?”"
@thenewrenaissance4180
8 ай бұрын
Great Point, it seems to be the root of the argument of every Bible verse. Truly, there seems to be a effort to completely revise the word of God.
@JohnHenrysaysHi
8 ай бұрын
@@thenewrenaissance4180 Thank you for your reply. Hope you and yours are having a nice week!
@EpoRose1
8 ай бұрын
I believe you mean “AkShUeLLy”
@JohnHenrysaysHi
8 ай бұрын
@@EpoRose1 Well AkShUeLLy, *squirts saliva everywhere while unintentionally playing the "Do you like Seafood joke* I was making a distinct point about...lol Thanks!
@jacuz169
8 ай бұрын
A talking snake? And the snake is "the devil"? What?! A snake that is a "deconstructionist"? And what does a deconstructionist need to be "envious" about? What do you even mean? You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE. You're WRONG THEOLOGICALLY AND HISTORICALLY! And you call yourself a christian??? Lol!
@players02
8 ай бұрын
Much needed as my relatives got a little confused by Fr. Casey’s video. Thanks.
@ThanhPham-vn4nj
8 ай бұрын
I saw Fr.Casey's video right after I had watched your video on the homosexuality documentary. Honestly, I felt upset and confused about what Fr.Casey told. I knew that he was wrong, but I also knew that you will make a video on that so I kept silent. Thank God I was not wrong.
@john_from_eastcoast.
8 ай бұрын
Fr Casey is off the tracks.
@Romans5.1
8 ай бұрын
Jesus said that if a man looks upon a woman to lust after her, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Sin is not only in the act but from within us!
@universalflamethrower6342
8 ай бұрын
The roads to heresy are many, the roads to hell wide, the road to salvation straight and narrow
@john_from_eastcoast.
8 ай бұрын
And only a few find the narrow path! FEW!!!
@dhenderson1810
8 ай бұрын
@@john_from_eastcoast. Funny how a lot of Christians here think they are the ones on the narrow path, and no one else is, that they tell everyone else how to think.
@anthonym.7653
8 ай бұрын
Amen.
@dhenderson1810
8 ай бұрын
@@john_from_eastcoast. You better pray that you are one of them.
@joshuareeves5103
Ай бұрын
I would like to like this video but my youtube has been weird lately and won't show the like button. So count this as my like. Good job addressing this issue. As a protestant, I enjoy listening to you Trent, despite disagreeing on certain issues.
@aok777
8 ай бұрын
Fr. Casey is this generation's Richard Rohr, only a hundred times more sneaky.
@bobthebuildest6828
8 ай бұрын
yeah and i know a lot of friends that simply wrote off the OFMs when discerning religious life because of these two, they aren't doing their communities any favors
@igorlopes7589
8 ай бұрын
Let's be more charitable, he surely and beyond any doubt deserves criticisms on his views, but let's not be hostile
@rosemariekury9186
8 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. I watched Father Casy’s video and was thoroughly confused with some of his statements. I always thought Scripture was very clear about this, but some of his interpretation seems to imply different meanings based on the mores of people at that time.
@nukeplatine
8 ай бұрын
Thank you. I absolutely hated the ending, where he affirmed that homosexual attractions are innate, which is outright false.
@nchinth
8 ай бұрын
if anyone believes that the Church's teaching on homosexuality is correct and yet makes ANY argument that might lead people to believe otherwise, that person is committing a grave evil by leading souls astray. so the question is, what is Fr. Casey's motivation and goal here?
@stevedoetsch
8 ай бұрын
His goal is to be acceptable to the World, while still trying to be Catholic
@veronica_._._._
8 ай бұрын
@@stevedoetschVery Charitable.
@adrianmizen5070
8 ай бұрын
he claims to be playing devil's advocate, in the hope that people will stop using weak arguments and switch to stronger ones. That would be a very good thing to do, if he were doing it. The problem is that he is doing the opposite, as Trent points out. Not sure if he is doing this intentionally and using "devils advocate" as cover for actually undermining the traditional teaching.
@Paule_LMS
8 ай бұрын
It is not the first time Fr Casey has done this. He's had other not-so-shining moments such as when he quoted Marx in a positive light or when he taught universalism. This is not one slip-up, it's a pattern of behaviour. He does seem to be intentionally subversive to the faith and it is dangerous because his channel is made to appeal to younger Catholics.
@veronica_._._._
8 ай бұрын
@@adrianmizen5070 Thomas Aquinas, he isn't
@marygr8064
8 ай бұрын
Father Casey is force fitting worldly ideology into Catholic truth. I stopped watching him ages ago. Thx for the sound rebuttal, Trent.
@josee.1308
8 ай бұрын
In the comments of the Father's video I made the same criticism that you do in this video. It's great that you are making this video.
@workinprogress-ye5or
8 ай бұрын
Father Casey is gracious for comments and humble if he needs to correct himself and interacts at times. No one on this site or others is perfect. Our egos and need to do well with the platform sometimes creep in I'm sure being human. He still preaches though and I'm glad he isn't swayed by hatred or condemnation. I say try to get to know someone well as much as you can. I've watched many videos of priests and some I click with, some are too gruff or dry. I don't write someone off on a video or two. I've never heard Fr Casey say anything wrong. Compassion is needed in our world. You don't have to sacrifice your belief to be empathetic.
@user-rz7cm2we3x
8 ай бұрын
I wonder how did you do it, the comment section under Fr. Casey’s video is “unavailable”😅
@user-rz7cm2we3x
8 ай бұрын
@@workinprogress-ye5or: Well, the closing of the comments’ section under Fr. Cole’s video speaks volumes and not to his credit, unfortunately. We need to pray for the clergy, from the very top to the very bottom of the hierarchy, the demands for the chosen sons are higher than for anybody else.
@josee.1308
8 ай бұрын
@@user-rz7cm2we3xIt was available when he released the video. What a pity that the comments are blocked. In the comments there were people recommending Trent videos, so that they could be better informed.
@josee.1308
8 ай бұрын
@@workinprogress-ye5orThe argument is criticized, not the people. The Father is a good person with good intentions, but perhaps the theological training by his order is not the best.
@stevensonrf
8 ай бұрын
The good news is that God can free all homosexuals from a life of perversion. They just have to have humble hearts, and want to allow the Holy Spirit to redirect their lives.
@floridaman318
8 ай бұрын
Amen.
@russellmiles2861
8 ай бұрын
Oh, I imagine many folks enjoy their life of perversion. I live with a married women who is gorgeous and kind. Don't knock perversion. And I am as loved by God as yourself.
@Ryenrein
8 ай бұрын
Do you not believe homosexuals also experience love?
@stevensonrf
8 ай бұрын
@@Ryenrein Homosexuals experience lust!
@russellmiles2861
8 ай бұрын
@@stevensonrf I assume you you realise that heterosexual sex is also sinful: except in narrow confines of married couple having sex for procreation. That includes having sex using contraception device is sinful.
@MissCharlieMorgan
7 ай бұрын
I have a question about the condemnation of the sodomites. I agree that it makes no sense to condemn rape victims, but are they arguably not condemned in Deuteronomy 22:23-27|?
@JG-en8bg
8 ай бұрын
Tanks for adding clarity, Trent. You nailed it.
@unholy.latin.republic
8 ай бұрын
Since I was born, I was prepared for this world to be evil, but I wasn't prepared for it to be this gay and stupid too...
@myriamc.
8 ай бұрын
What in the world???😮 Good grief! Thank you, Trent Horn!🙏🏽
@finallythere100
8 ай бұрын
TY for critiquing Fr Casey’s video, to which he turned off the comments. At the end Trent mentions how Fr Casey DOES uphold the Catholic teaching - but he actually does not., bc the dogma applies to all homosexual behavior - And he is saying that the current teaching does not necessarily apply to many ss couples of today - (who are devout couples in loving lifelong, marital -type relationships. ) This message reveals the reason for Francis teaching that it is unjust to make homosexual behavior illegal. And Fr James Martin teaching along the same line, that God has not YET revealed about devout homosexual couples, and so they are not in sin (and once it’s revealed they will be OK!) . So Francis tries to ensure it’s accepted in society at least at a secular level by the state-, Fiducia Supplicants specifically does not mention the purpose w goal of leading them away from the relationships, and it goes hand in hand w the Synodal process of meeting people and inviting them in as they are.. So it’s all orchestrated and ready for this new “truth” to be “revealed” to the “Magisterium” that homosexuality in the context of how it is practiced TODAY can be good, as long as it is not outside of marriage or something else they call a lifelong commitment. So all the pieces are being put in place for it all to come together. Fr Casey says he agrees w Cburch teaching , but he does not bc there IS NO exception that applies to the “enlightened” people on society today . Fr. Casey’s message is NOT Agreement w Church teaching, but the HERESY of Modernism
@zagreus4438
8 ай бұрын
I appreciate the worldly nature of the Franciscans and their attempt to compromise with modernity but Fr Casey needs to afirm that a Catholic cannot compromise with sin!
@KH-sx1xv
8 ай бұрын
Spot on Trent! Fr. Casey has been in need of being called out on numerous occasions now. One of his videos on abortion was way off the Churches teaching. I personally think he enjoys confrontation.
@john_from_eastcoast.
8 ай бұрын
Yeah Casey is off the tracks I stopped watching him like 3 -4 years ago when he made some weird statements and getting into trendy "gotcha" ambiguous videos. I said to myself...I don't have time for this childish nonsense. I just need the Truth.
@marcokite
8 ай бұрын
I think he enjoys attacking the Faith
@xrisc131
8 ай бұрын
I am so glad you made this video! I saw Fr. Casey’s vid and I knew (know!) that his heart is in the right place but clearly his head is in a different place. I started to respond but I don’t have your eloquence or platform so it wasn’t worth my time.
@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419
8 ай бұрын
Thank you for uploading this
@icilahmb
7 ай бұрын
Trent… no I’m not a Catholic, but this Protestant is giving you “10 Muy Buenos” great job. Casey.. “can’t call him father” Has lost his way… I understand his desire to make peace with one and all. But Jesus said… Matthew 10:34-35 KJV Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Awesome… thanks
@alexanderpodgorski5449
7 ай бұрын
Isn't Douay-Rheims Bible also approved to be used at Latin liturgies of different rites?
@danielcarriere1958
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this response Trent. I appreciate it. Hopefully Fr. Casey will respond back in a constructive way.
@marcokite
7 ай бұрын
I doubt that i'm afraid
@sgabig
8 ай бұрын
Trent points out Fr Casey engages in a practice that previous generations of Catholics criticized Protestants for - of equating random commentary from miscellaneous people with Holy Spirit inspired Scripture
@timcooper1321
8 ай бұрын
I was following Fr. Casey until he came out with his video stating that Abortion is not that important, ceased following him and his heretical views immediately. He is a master of confusion and "new theology". He appears to have been poorly educated and is willing to share his unusual thoughts.
@IHateSand0
8 ай бұрын
He definitely knows what he's doing
@robertwarner-ev7wp
8 ай бұрын
Don’t be fooled he isn’t poorly educated and knows exactly what he is doing.
@dantheman909
8 ай бұрын
The more I hear Catholics speak biblical truth, the more I like Catholicism. Feelings/tradition are good, but nothing stops a man dead in his tracks like the Word.
@Qwerty-jy9mj
8 ай бұрын
You should be Catholic 👍
@dantheman909
8 ай бұрын
@@Qwerty-jy9mj thanks for the invite, but no. I prefer sola scriptura. I don't think there's good evidence for the Catholic teachings on purgatory, the perpetual virginity of Mary, praying to anyone but God, and transubstantiation. But, if we can agree on the simple gospel of Jesus Christ, then that's enough for me.
@Qwerty-jy9mj
8 ай бұрын
@@dantheman909 The simple gospel implies obedience
@NoahMiller-j4d
Күн бұрын
@@dantheman909 That's a heresy from Martin Luther, who abandoned the true Catholic and singular Church Jesus Christ left us, and later committed suicide, which means he's in hell. I wouldn't want to follow his false teachings if you want to attain eternal salvation.
@vincentwood7036
8 ай бұрын
The Scriptures are very clear on this topic, and it is infuriating to see people who want to pretend that they are unclear.
@teamtundra2619
7 ай бұрын
Nope
@frannynet553
6 ай бұрын
no they are not, it says nothing about same sex love
@NoahMiller-j4d
Күн бұрын
@@frannynet553 Yes it is clear. Homosexuality and sodomy are mortal sins.
@CJP.-pq3kr
8 ай бұрын
Not Father Casey “The Modernist” Cole again… 🙄
@justinmartyr6454
8 ай бұрын
There's something wrong with this guy (fr. casey) and when you call him out on his KZitem page as I have, he releases a sad video on how people are picking on him. He doesn't understand that when you enter the public arena, you are opened up to criticism.
@wungabunga
8 ай бұрын
Many such cases. Unfortunately, you have to be strong to defend the faith and sometimes that means upsetting people when lines are crossed.
@justinmartyr6454
8 ай бұрын
@@wungabunga For sure! This isn't the first time this priest has caused scandal, either.
@LeonidasGarcia08
8 ай бұрын
Hey brother Trent, I was wondering if you could explain the killing of babies in the OT such as Hosea, Numbers, and 2nd kings. I still struggle with the thought of why that would happen. Of course God is infinitely greater than I am, but I just want to be more educated on the matter. Peace and blessings to you brother, may God preserve you.
@matthewb94
8 ай бұрын
Fr Casey should just become an Episcopal priest at this point
@JorgeMakesFilms
8 ай бұрын
The catholic faith is a beautiful faith
@ludwigvonsowell5347
8 ай бұрын
And yet Rome will do nothing to allow this heresy to run around unfettered.
@albertito77
8 ай бұрын
@@JorgeMakesFilmsyes but Fr Casey would be .... free to be his true and _fabulous_ self as an Episcopalian 🌈🏳️🌈
@john_from_eastcoast.
8 ай бұрын
Thank you Trent for this video. God bless you! I knew for a long time that Casey was off the tracks.
@leom5671
8 ай бұрын
Can not stand that guy. I’ve seen his reaction videos. Total modernist/liberal Catholic
@MultiJpad
8 ай бұрын
This is why I unsubscribed to father Casey's channel.
@anthonym.7653
8 ай бұрын
Yup
@cruznature7545
7 ай бұрын
A great example of how a Catholic can refute a Catholic and not just throw his hands up and say I'm leaving the Church.
@robertdobie3400
8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, I have to conclude that Fr. Casey is not very bright.
@jaysonb.6669
7 ай бұрын
As Christian's within Western civilization, we completely fail to see how blessed we've been these past many centuries. Early Christian Father's and even Christian members of the Roman gov't were tortured & fed to lions for not taking part in the common pagan practices & worship ceremonies of the day. And we're afraid of losing social relationship's & family members due to refusing a homosexual union? Or not getting that promotion or job opportunity? So much blood, sweat & tears of faith & perseverance went into building the rights, freedom's, privilege's & prosperity we're now freely giving away.
@markpaalman275
8 ай бұрын
Trent, thank you and God bless you for fraternally, correcting Father Casey‘s lapses. This is an important truth from the Bible and from history, that is twisted all too often to the favor of progressives, both outside and within the church.✝️
@marcokite
8 ай бұрын
Is it a lapse or something worse?
@workinprogress-ye5or
8 ай бұрын
he isn't his superior and I'm sure if he was considered "wrong" by people he answers to, they would correct it himself.
@howebrad4601
7 ай бұрын
Sometimes we get too far down in the weeds and miss the big picture. Just the scientific mechanics of homosexual acts make it obvious that its disordered. Each bodily organ has obvious functions and purposes
@StudentDad-mc3pu
7 ай бұрын
No, the body was not 'designed' but is the product of Evolution. Same sex attraction is not a choice, but seems to happen quite naturally, not just in the human animal, but in other animals too.
@iagoofdraiggwyn98
Ай бұрын
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Animals also have no issues with incest , defecation anywhere they want, nonconsentual acts, among other things. Your nonsense is what it is, nonsense.
@Isaac_El_Khoury
8 ай бұрын
No way-- I thought people made it up when they say they were unsubscribed to people they follow. I found that I had been unsubscribed to your Channel, Trent... Wild and that has been reversed. It was a heartbreaking two weeks being unsubscribed. You must be doing something right if YT did that.
@charliej600
7 ай бұрын
Why does Fr Casey even create this content? Regardless of the ‘modern’ Bible reinterpretations, the True Church has consistently condemned homosexual acts for 2000 years, tradition cannot be changed.
@AndrewKendall71
8 ай бұрын
Trent, isn't it possible - as a rule of thumb - to begin with "he's a Franciscan fr."? Something like saying, "Well, this German priest says..."? Not that German Catholics are = Franciscans. But, there are orders that are bent toward a liberal approach to the application if not the meaning of the scripture.
@walterroberts5694
8 ай бұрын
We needed somebody to rebutt Fr Casey Cole.
@russellbrayshaw4154
8 ай бұрын
Great video. Loved the clear and logical explanations.
@CatholicRoss
8 ай бұрын
Thank you Trent for defending the true Faith. You have helped massively to ease my worries and doubts about the current confusion facing the Church.
@teresaleporati7574
7 ай бұрын
Thank you Trent! I was definitely not happy with Fr. Casey’s video!
@kvaughn3791
8 ай бұрын
Thank you Trent! I'm very disappointed in Fr Cole and will no longer consider him a representative of the church, but pray for him. I'm all for loving people (as all of us are equal sinners) and doing what we can to lead them to the Truth, but to try and downplay or change what has been understood for millennia as sin, to appease, is wrong. We should be sharpening each other and holding each other to a higher standard to try and overcome our sins/sinful habits so we can better reflect the perfect love of God. Keep up the good work! God Bless.
@r.a.l.27
7 күн бұрын
I used to watch Fr. Casey Cole's videos a bit and am extremely disappointed to have found that he disabled comments on the video Trent talks about here. His reasoning was this (now found in the description of the video): "Comments have been shut down on this video because of the unfortunate lack of charity it has received. Far too many people are publicly sinning in this comment section--making false accusations, using harsh language, judging, condemning, and forgetting what Jesus taught about how we are to approach our enemies. I love respectful public discourse, but I will not allow this comment section be a forum for sin." And while I understand his reasoning, I think it's harmful to simply hide the opinions/views of people who identify as lgbtq or, like Trent Horn, are criticizing his undermining (and/or misinterpretation?) of the Church's view on homosexuality as if these views don't exist. I understand wanting to avoid the aggressivity of KZitem comment sections, but when it comes to a topic as debated as this, there is simply no avoiding such "lack of charity" if you want to address such a huge issue/discussion. Thank you Trent for discussing this topic respectfully.
@jamesbaker9337
Ай бұрын
Where's is Father Casey's Bishop? Why is he silent? Why doesn't he bring truth to this?
@Happyplace1979
7 ай бұрын
Fr. Casey did another video on lgbtq refugees and anyone who questioned homosexuality as wrong - he responded “BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN. BRING GAY IS NOT A SIN…”. I was completely shocked he responded to so many people asking questions and commenting in this immature manner. After seeing such childish response, I stopped watching him.
@NoahMiller-j4d
Күн бұрын
These modernist "priests" are lying to people and claiming that homosexuality is not a sin (just acting on it is). That's false. People are identifying themselves with the sin, by claiming it's a part of them. If they were holy people of purity, they wouldn't be giving in to their sinful thoughts/actions on this topic or any other. Just like there is no such thing as a kleptomaniac Christian or murderer Christian - you can't identify yourself as sins (accepting them) and think you're living as a moral Christian in a state of Grace.
@Happyplace1979
Күн бұрын
@@NoahMiller-j4d 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@peter12012
7 ай бұрын
Due to growing with SSA and being preached that "the heart is deceitful and must always be kept on watch" I've deprived myself from feeling must emotions. Reason and logic is my go to on how-to react to everything that happens on my life. Yet I've come to realize the other day while I was praying for this though crossed my mind "Lord I pray for those young people that are going to realize today the path that you are calling them while experiencing SSA." I started to cry deeply, and discover that myself that realization (aka for me meaning to give up "voluntarily" not only the dream of being married and have a family, the guilt, being misunderstood, live hiding, etc) was a deeply painful event for me, and still seems to be every time I get close to recall it. At that moment a thought cross my mind "Wouldn't have been better to be raised up an atheist or in affirming faith?" I think it will save at least the experience of having to dealt with guilt or shame for being SSA that it seems faith brings in. So then I though that, although the Catholic Church doesn't condemn homosexual people, they clearly point out that the acts are "disordered" and doesn't go beyond "they should pursue chaste friendships", this doesn't prevents or helps a young man who is in their late teens to accept the fact that they experience SSA to accept it, let alone that they must not feel ashamed or guilt about it. My opinion is that this recommendations only seem to address people who already seem to be wrestling on how to reconcile their faith with their reality, like a "I am gay yet I am also a believer... how can this work?", yet their teenage years the faith didn't equip them to address the fact that they may be SSA on how to deal it, on the contrary, sometimes getting the message that it is an "abomination" or that "they won't inherit the kingdom". So in this context, How can we turn faith an asset rather than a burden for those teenagers that are believers?
@frannynet553
6 ай бұрын
stop saying SSA is weird and condemnatory
@NoahMiller-j4d
Күн бұрын
Are you jewish?
@NoahMiller-j4d
Күн бұрын
You're accepting the sin as part of you. Like when you say you gave up the dream of being married and having a family - well first you weren't going to have those living in a sinful homo state. Second you don't have to give those up if/when you're not living in that sinful state. In other words, you defined yourself as only being this one sinful way, and then you closed yourself off to living a normal, moral Christian life. No one should be accepting the sinful state. In other words you should be ashamed about it and have guilt. Those are motivations to do the right moral thing and stop being a lustful pervert who commits sins and then views themselves as identifying as those sins.
@Rayjack-m9o
6 ай бұрын
I thought the same thing Fr.Casey was bending over backwards to walk the center line and take no real position And at the end where it might not be for us to judge then we can neither Condone.
@POPS417
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this rebuttal. I recently watched this video and found it disturbing, particularly as someone finding my way back to God and his Church.
@akros-qs6zh
3 ай бұрын
Homosexuality is not a sin because it is NOT a choice. We were born that way. It's acting upon the urges that is sinful. And that makes us the LGB no different from everyone who deals with lust. Stop picking on us!
@POPS417
3 ай бұрын
@@akros-qs6zh How is a discussion of faith picking on you? If anything, it is we who are persecuted. It is not a sin? It clearly is. I do not believe anyone is born that way. I base this comment on attempts I have become aware of over the years to prove otherwise that have failed. I would also point to modern education as it is being used to sexualize and convince young children to become so. If people were born that way, why is that neccessary? I dont hate you or anyone else but we are entitled to believe as we wish and discuss the faith as we wish.
@akros-qs6zh
3 ай бұрын
@@POPS417 "I do not believe anyone is born that way." - how did you know you were straight? Do you decide when "it" gets hard? Btw, the LGB is not a gender issue. It's an attraction issue.
@POPS417
3 ай бұрын
@@akros-qs6zh I believe we were discussing whether or not one can be born gay and you seem to have ignored my comments in this regard.
@akros-qs6zh
3 ай бұрын
@@POPS417 "I believe we were discussing whether or not one can be born gay " -- yes we are. That is why I ask about your involuntary dispositions. How did you know you were straight? Do you decide when "it" gets hard?
@kovactac9073
Ай бұрын
Another modern scholar that tries to debunk this agreement is Dan McClellan not disrespect towards he does decent work, however criticizes Leviticus 20:13 saying the interpretation of the text is wrong, which I disagree.
@stevensonrf
8 ай бұрын
That priest is so smarmy and smug. I can’t stand him! He’s probably a closeted homosexual himself?
@floridaman318
8 ай бұрын
I honestly think he is. His sudden abandonment of his fiancee to become a monk is very sus.
@OldMotherLogo
8 ай бұрын
So many uncharitable comments from the righteous. There’s no hate like Christian love. Bless your heart.
@stevensonrf
8 ай бұрын
@@OldMotherLogo Charity is telling the truth! And the truth is: unless you repent of your sins, you will go to hell. Homosexual acts are intrinsically evil and sinful. The good news is God can set you free from the perversions of homosexuality.
@OldMotherLogo
8 ай бұрын
Jesus said nothing about this. He did say remove the plank from your own eye, though, before removing the splinter from your brother’s.
@stevensonrf
8 ай бұрын
@@OldMotherLogo And perhaps, if you removed your head from your ass, you would recognize that the scriptures clearly condemn, homosexual acts!
@maxroberts9193
8 ай бұрын
Never trusted this Fr. Casey and this confirms my suspicion of him. He does a lot of jumping through hoops to justify sin instead of doing his job of steering people away from it.
@edwardlyons6586
4 ай бұрын
Well, done, Trent! Your cogent argument will help me defend traditional marriage. I am grateful for your discourse I am continually challenged by family and friends about this topic and your logic will be a great help
@tomgjokaj
8 ай бұрын
Sadly Fr Casey is another James Martin
@Tuxster3
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, the same Paul who told SLAVES to obey their MASTERS! And, lead to the ENSLAVEMENT of MILLIONS of my ancestors! That's SO rich!!
@halcyonpanzer1562
7 ай бұрын
Slavery was already established way before Paul. Him saying that did not cause more slaves. In full context Paul is saying that both slave and master will be judged in the end equally and those who do not treat each other well will be judged. This isnt a endorsement of slavery. This is guides for a already established practice. The Catholic Church however was the first major group who helped end slavary. We even a couple of Popes who were former slaves. Pope Callixtus I (218AD) and Pope Pius I (142 AD)
@stalwart9887
8 ай бұрын
Great to see Casey Cole finally getting called out. He is a subversive influence.
@drjishenp
8 ай бұрын
Homosexual acts are sinful. If homosexuality is the root cause of a temptation to do a homosexual act; it is logical and clear if homosexuality or any root cause that leads to committing a sin within the body in itself is UNHOLY in nature.
@MishelC-q5y
29 күн бұрын
Wow, Thank you. such a hard sensitive subject. Very nicely done!
@kevinwoplin9322
8 ай бұрын
Fr Casey is the prime example of post councillor mish mash of belief ....confusion and error has been the norm for 50 years and the clear unequivocal teaching of the previous 1700 years has been trumped by 'pastorally sensitive guidance '.....
@igorlopes7589
8 ай бұрын
Noooo... ambiguity good... pastorality of doctrine...
@littlerock5256
8 ай бұрын
This is not a description of the Catholic Church.
@igorlopes7589
8 ай бұрын
@@littlerock5256 Confusion and error about moral doctrine is literally what describes a large portion of laymen and clergy since the sexual revolution
@littlerock5256
8 ай бұрын
@@igorlopes7589 Confusion and error about moral doctrine is literally what describes a large portion of laymen and clergy since Vatican II.
@igorlopes7589
8 ай бұрын
@@littlerock5256 While I blame the "Spirit of the Council" for this it is important to remember Pope Paul VI did very good job in combating heresies in morality. I also think it is notworthy the "Spirit of the Council" is very similar to the "Spirit" of mainline liberal protestant denominations, although the Doctrines remained very different the Zeitgeist is worryingly similar.
@keagaming9837
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video! Homosexual sex is very impractical, unscientific, unstable, and is condemned in The Bible! A gay man might have gay thoughts and that's not a choice, but it is still a choice whether he acts on the gay thoughts or not! God loves everyone, but he doesn't love the sin that people willingly choose to commit! Even the CDC has noticed how bad homosexual relationships can get and some of the nasty consequences of it. It's simply not a healthy or a good thing to act on gay thoughts! I know a few LGBTQ+ Christians who understand that acting on homosexual thoughts is wrong so they either do celibacy or if they're bi they only act on their straight thoughts. Even I being asexual think celibacy is the best way for me! :D
@makemyday2385
7 ай бұрын
I called out Fr. Casey on other issues early on in his vocation as brother and now Father. He no doubt is of the Fr. James Martin ilk School of Theology. He bends and twists the truth to appease the viewer. What he ought to do is admonish the sinner rather than elevate the sin of sodomy on the level of acceptance. This is his way of sowing the seeds of confusion and the pink mafia would have you believe this is church teaching. The Church is full of gay priests and bishops. Why do you think the African bishops are standing up to the Holy Father for his position on same sex blessings? They think we can't read between the lines. Thank you for posting this rebuttal video. Well done.
@Antonio.R.O.C.
7 ай бұрын
UPDATE❗️Father Casey Cole has decided to turn off comments due to the facts he’s unable to provide a response to the scripture he’s been rebuke with❗️
@herbpalindrome
8 ай бұрын
I am disappointed in this video. I don't think this video properly represented Fr Casey’s video. Overall, I think Casey's message was correct. What I took away from Fr. Casey's video: 1) the problem is the sin not the sinner, 2) the Bible clearly condemns adultery, and 3) one should look to Jesus's teaching on marriage and one can see that marriage is between a man and woman, where committing homosexual acts is inherently adultery. It's impossible to see homosexual "unions" as being compatible with marriage as defined by Jesus. Looking to Jesus as the source is always the strongest argument. Most of Trent's arguments are against Casey's hypothetical arguments he uses for and against typical passages cited, but he doesn't address the core argument Casey makes.
@benry007
Ай бұрын
I have never seen someone go to the passage on Sodom in order to argue for the sinfulness of homosexuality. This is the definition of a strawman. Looking for a weak argument so you can knick it down. Someone has to look no further then Romans 1 for a clear teaching on the matter.
@Todzuum
8 ай бұрын
I’m not convinced people are born with homosexuality, it’s very possible it’s influenced by environment and or the thoughts a person has prior to the acts, i.e adding a pleasure reaction to the thoughts of homosexuality before being taught about it and before they act on the thoughts.
@NoahMiller-j4d
Күн бұрын
People are not born with it. It comes from chemicals that are intentionally being spread at us, and from things like child abuse, etc.
@life_way_truth
7 ай бұрын
God bless u brother. 👌 Do not stop correcting those who missed the way of the truth.
@mike67mj
Ай бұрын
I stopped listening to him, when he said he doesn't have a strong devotion to the Rosary.. So I'm not surprised by what he's saying
@bosstoober8782
5 ай бұрын
>father Casey cole >Look inside >Coal
@panuk3
8 ай бұрын
Very informative video!
@rocio8851
8 ай бұрын
So, Catholics do disagree on important issues like protestants do.
@wondergolderneyes
8 ай бұрын
The story is always more complicated than portrayed. More disunity in Catholicism, more unity across protestant denominations than is often told of
@craigbernthal7388
Ай бұрын
I think you have the better part of this argument about what the Bible says. Very precise. Still, I find this issue still a difficult one.
@Meteor_pending
8 ай бұрын
"Note from the New American Bible..." Me: "Let me stop you right there Father"
@Vezmus1337
8 ай бұрын
The easier way to bypass this entire argument is to simply argue that adultery is immoral. 1. Marriage is between one man and one woman, and open to procreation. (Mark 10:5-9) 2. Adultery is any sexual act outside of the context of a marriage. (Hebrews 13:4) 3. Homosexual acts are adultery. (1 Corinthians 7:2) 4. Adultery is immoral. (Exodus 20:14) 5. Therefore, homosexual acts are immoral. An addendum would also include: A1: Lust, a thought which leads to adultery, is immoral. (Matthew 5:28) A2: Homosexual lust leads to adultery. (1 Corinthians 7:2) A2: Therefore, homosexual lust is immoral. Also the all-white background makes it look like you are recording this video from Heaven. 🤣
@RationalistMH
8 ай бұрын
Good. Now i hope you realize no gay person gives a f. They know damn well you use your fictional book to hate them so thankfully they know to stay away from your cult. So your condemnations are falling into the void. And with society increasingly not giving a f either, your words will have less and less impact
@johnbalao711
8 ай бұрын
You are a beacon of light amid confusion and darkness.
@JWellsUp
3 ай бұрын
I live in an area where child trafficking is rampant. Then you see the fruits of this on certain corners prostituting themselves or as an open lgbt person.
@ethanbunn1948
8 ай бұрын
I mean, is Fr. Casey just a closeted homosexual?
@Alexcrack-bn5uy
8 ай бұрын
He had many girlfriends before being priest
@wetfart420
8 ай бұрын
I am of the opinion that anyone who makes any effort to defend homosexuality is highly suspicious of being a homosexual.
@lunagrace2872
8 ай бұрын
Or at least has a close friend or family members they still want to be close to. Like Chris Evans or Pedro Pascal
@THIRDR0ME
8 ай бұрын
As a Catholic who struggles, and battles, and wrestles with my homosexuality, my sin and my shame, its hard sometimes to hear the harshness of some of these words. But i must remember, it is not harshness, but the word of God. Thank you for your videos... i hope one day i can find the peace i so desperately crave
@bethanyann1060
8 ай бұрын
Praying for you ❤️
@THIRDR0ME
8 ай бұрын
@@bethanyann1060 Thank you, sister
@ceciltaylor9319
8 ай бұрын
Hopefully you can embrace yourself. Otherwise it's needless pain.
@RationalistMH
8 ай бұрын
Please go see a therapist. You’re dealing with religious trauma. The gay community is ready to accept you with open arms when you are.
@RationalistMH
8 ай бұрын
@@bethanyann1060Stop doing that. Your religious bigotry literally leads gay kids to off themselves every single year. Your ‘love’ is poison.
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