Thank you for watching :) ( I also forgot to mention in the video. Toriyama never received Death Threats or anything like that to change the main character back to Goku that's completely made up)
@ReignofIndepence
Жыл бұрын
No but there was fan backlash and the editor made him. This is not made up. The buu arc is a mess because of this
@takatotakasui8307
Жыл бұрын
@@ReignofIndepence Source?
@mixxy6892
Жыл бұрын
@@takatotakasui8307 trust me bro
@Binks7077
Жыл бұрын
@@ReignofIndepence no this is in fact made up goku came back because toriyama thought he got better as the main character then gohan it’s that simple.
@sigiligus
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't underestimate Japanese fans. Japanese people have stalked idols by looking at the reflections off of their eyeballs to find what train station they were at. It's completely believable that Toriyama would receive threats.
@laurierhebert-jodoin5716
Жыл бұрын
"When Gohan explodes he steals the show and explosions don't last forever" That was very well worded Six.
@Nothing106
Жыл бұрын
Even ultimate gohan stole the show he doesn’t need explosions toriyama just don’t know how to write gohan and someone with his potential. probably because he has been writing goku since day 1 and he doesn’t know how to write anyone else but goku is a milked now and they ruined him.
@Black_Knight_-BK-
Жыл бұрын
@@Nothing106 DBZ Goku is PEAK Goku. PEAKU. Say it with me
@5stargrim
Жыл бұрын
@@Nothing106 You’re wrong on so many levels. Toriyama wanted to and tried to push for gohan MC multiple times over the course of his career; it failed. Not because he “doesn’t know how” to write gohan, but because fans and his editors didn’t want it. That’s it. It was his Ernest wish for it to happen; but if people stop reading every time you try to make gohan the center of attention for a while, you stop making gohan the center of attention. That’s just how it is. It’s a business and they follow the money. We can speculate about in universe reasons all day, and that is fun, but at the end of the day, the real reason is just that no one watches the gohan show for long.
@5stargrim
Жыл бұрын
Meant to spell earnest there but I’m sure the meaning got across
@TREE713
Жыл бұрын
@Nordthicc Ruins fans had nothing to do with it. Toriyama himself has gone on record and said Gohans character just wasn't suited to the role and he especially felt this way when writing Gohans school days. The fans thing is a myth people believe because they lack the ability to research themselves, literally.
@chefinabottle
Жыл бұрын
Gohan is reactive while Goku is proactive
@makotonaegi4419
Жыл бұрын
Then he repeats his same character arc of needing to train hope he gets weak AF again and needs to train because they can't stop doing that
@arkkon2740
Жыл бұрын
Tbh i think Goku is so proactive that the other characters have to literally stop him just to be reactive. Half of the plot revolves around Goku making weird decisions or just being gone for entire time skips to prepare for a fight that he'll probably start
@SuperPianogirl123
Жыл бұрын
@@makotonaegi4419 It’s such a weird crutch to keep Gohan away from the main conflicts. This is a lesson that Gohan should have learned during the Buu Saga considering that unlike Goku, Gohan has more of a heroic mentality and it’s clear that stronger enemies will continue to come. Gohan getting stronger, then weaker, then stronger is dumb considering that he still actively acts as Saiyaman
@gameuniverse5973
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperPianogirl123he stop being saiyaman after pan was born and he just wants to relax with his family let him live
@makotonaegi4419
Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 let him live until some random omniversal threat lands on earth he's too weak seees a family member die gets angry and one shots then
@Far2Sega4U
Жыл бұрын
One thing that wouldve been good to mention about the Buu Saga - everyone was focused on getting a massive power boost and trying to defeat Buu by themselves rather than trying to work as a team to defeat the main villain (until the Spirit Bomb). That's one aspect I liked so much about the Buu Saga, for the first time gaining a new more powerful transformation wasnt enough to win a fight.
@aerostrafe1075
Жыл бұрын
Well technically a new power up could win the fight. Things were just consistently written in to screw it over. - Gotenks could of beaten super buu in the time chamber if he went SSJ3 from the start. Time limit wouldnt of mattered in there. - Ultimate Gohan could of beaten super buu but he let him get away. - Ultimate Gohan again could of beaten super buu but for some stupid reason he let the boys fuse to then get absorbed. I hate that part so much. Gohan could of easily knocked them out then fought buu. Boy is too smart to not see them playing right into Buu's hands. - Vegito could of beaten Buuhan but wanted to save his sons despite the dragon balls possibly being able to revive them. Get he didnt want to risk it but still strange you have to headcanon that in.
@kingkilla777
Жыл бұрын
@@aerostrafe1075 that actually always botherd me about vegito they could've wished everyone back that buu absorbed so why didn't he just finish him and wish everyone back to this day I still find that stupid tbh.
@Epe328
Жыл бұрын
Simply because toriyama couldnt write gohan the same way he wrote goku that's why.
@3LM0SVNT
Ай бұрын
RIP Toriyama sensei but he really did Gohan dirty because he didn’t actually have to write gohan like Goku but rather to be his own character while remembering the lessons he learnt during the cell arc
@sdot18
Жыл бұрын
I think making Gohan the MC and making him juggle earth's defense and a normal life/meeting chi chi's expectations would have been a good arc.
@gameuniverse5973
Жыл бұрын
That was super hero kinda
@piccoloatburgerking
Жыл бұрын
I can see the appeal but that's too similar to a superman story with the juggling of normal life and fighting crime and i don't know if i'd enjoy that tbh. Dragon Ball is so special because it puts fighting as it's own inherent value as opposed to something the characters have to do.
@sdot18
Жыл бұрын
Well they aren't fighting crime exactly. It would be more like he is trying to make both his parents proud. Honoring his father's legacy in death, and making his mom proud by becoming a scholar
@nothanksfools
Жыл бұрын
If there was no time skip meaning no saiyaman I would agree but nobody wants to see more superhero of justice gohan
@KaiserMattTygore927
Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@mangabi8897
Жыл бұрын
What bothers me with Gohan isn't that he doesn't train as much as Goku and Vegeta, it's that he doesn't train AT ALL but gets to be as powerful as them whenever he wants to. For real: he gets wrecked in ressurection of F, trains for 1 afternoon and catches up to Goku for the ToP. Stops training, sees Pan in danger and gets a new transformation which makes as (if not more) powerful than his dad,while the latter as been trained all this time by Whis, who coached a god of destruction. And they justify this by "Gohan has more potentiel". My man that's not potentiel that's an ass pull
@josephkadlec3104
Жыл бұрын
They just want gohan fans to stop bitching tbh
@takatotakasui8307
Жыл бұрын
@@josephkadlec3104 ^
@chrismcknight2250
Жыл бұрын
Gohan actually does train throughout all of super he jus isn’t the co lead on the story anymore vegeta is so his journey throughout the story isn’t as heavily focused or referenced
@mangabi8897
Жыл бұрын
@@chrismcknight2250 I don't remember this being stated. Where do you get this info from?
@Kenny-hd4ef
Жыл бұрын
@@mangabi8897there are a few scenes showing gohan post RoF training with Piccolo,if you want more info search for carthu's dojo "Gohan doesn't train anymore"
@zxawakening
Жыл бұрын
Goku. He feels unreplaceable because the impacts he has made throughout the show. Goku in a way is like a teacher. Gohan has messed up sometimes in the story making him almost like us. He's quite literally a student. Gohan is a good character though he has characteristics that differ him from Goku, Goku learned a lot from DB to Z, same as Gohan but it feels like Goku teaches fans like you and I. He takes action. It's like when Gohan didn't decide to finish cell vs How Goku didn't finish Frieza. Gohan was cocky yet Goku didn't want to finish frieza most likely because of what Android 8 told him when he was a kid, although he ended up having to. Gohan's whole ordeal through Z was him having to grow stronger, even if it comes with trial and error. Gohan's adventure mostly makes him seem inadequate at specific moments like you said, but it's almost like Goku coming back over and over again as a way to almost be like how in "Wrath of the Dragon" (I know it's not canon) but when Goku says "If I don't do it, Who will?" Goku is a major part in everything since the beginning. He's the hope of the universe. As for in Super Hero seeing as Gohan ends up defeating Cell almost right away, It seems like it's him learning all of the lessons he needed to grow as a character, although I don't know if that'll make him a viable Teacher for everyone watching but he should've been that way right after the Cell Saga, though in a sense, since he didn't repeat his mistake, He's on that same path that Goku was on throughout the series. Honestly this was a great video that really analyzed Gohan. I left a like and I'm joining your YT family! Keep up the great content.
@jmantime
Жыл бұрын
Gohan always seemed unfocused until the new bad guy shows , where’s as Goku is always preparing for the next challenge to earth. Goten, Trunks and Pan have the same issue, Uub might be different post End of Z.
@gabrielmachado1247
Жыл бұрын
But even Goten and trunks have more potential and Drive with their saiyaman X thing
@gameuniverse5973
Жыл бұрын
@@gabrielmachado1247Goten and trunks did fight a dinosaur android that was stated stronger than any android ever made
@DRGN-TYPE
Жыл бұрын
See. I'd argue he I'd focused until a bad guy turns up. Gohan doesn't want to be a fighter. He's only did it out of necessity. When he's left in his natural habitat, he doesn't train and does the things he enjoys. Training is not one of them.
@herculesburgess6773
Жыл бұрын
@@DRGN-TYPE Thank you some people's can't get that through their head that he doesn't like training or fighting
@MisterCynic18
Жыл бұрын
@@herculesburgess6773 but that's the thing though. He has to train because it is necessary. The whole point of his arc was learning to do the thing that must be done even if you don't want to. He doesn't have the desire but he does have the responsibility.
@garrettthomas5653
Жыл бұрын
Trying to look at it from Toriyama's perspective, I think it's just because Goku was easier to write for. He craved action and was always looking to surpass himself and seek out strong opponents, even if it meant sometimes doing questionable things like letting Gero finish the androids. It made the plots easier to write for. Gohan on the other hand didn't care about fighting and only did it out of necessity, which meant Toriyama would basically have to find some way to drag him into the conflict while accounting for his fighting inactivity and lack of desire for action at the same time. Hell, someone else had to awaken Gohan's power in the Buu arc for him. Like someone else in the comments said, Goku was proactive, Gohan was reactive. I still think it was definitely possible to write entertaining stories with Gohan as the lead, but going off what we know of Toriyama, he wanted to keep things as simple and easy as possible while writing Dragon Ball, and Goku allowed him to do that moreso than Gohan did.
@DSan-kl2yc
Жыл бұрын
Toriyama probably decided to do it before he did it. I think by the time Vegeta criticized him, toriyama had already decided(like during the HS stuff, as the quote mentions, so Vegeta is like the mouthpiece saying what the issue is). And by the time they go into the ship to fight babiddi's enemies, Goku becomes the main character. Remember how they make a big deal of dabura, but we already know he's not the main bad guy. He's a decoy or henchman. It's established that Goku has surpassed Gohan at that point too. And Vegeta's fight demonstrates his set up. But Goku's arc sets up Vegeta's turn. Which leads to a more "impactful" fight between Goku and Vegeta than dabura and Gohan. Really good vid btw
@johnman8398
Жыл бұрын
2:54 Fax people really just want Gohan to be Goku 2. In fact im convinced that most gohan fans don't even like gohan they just like SSJ2 Gohan.
@JKMlive
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, SSJ2 Gohan was very out of character for valid plot reasons, but it's not Gohan day to day.
@jlopez240gaming7
Жыл бұрын
No I’m a massive Gohan fan. I’ve moved past his ssj2 phase. My fav form is dragon ball is his ultimate form. I want Gohan to be Gohan. Not goku 2. He has quality’s from his mom and dad. Plus Namekian quality’s as well. He’s all dragon ball has to offer. I would love a story line of Gohan balancing out college training and his home life. It’s better than the goku and vegeta show 24/7
@markmagician2471
Жыл бұрын
@@jlopez240gaming7 I like the Ultimate Form also instead of "Beast"I wish Gohan would've gotten Super Saiyan 4 but that could've been called "Beast" and become canon
@Far2Sega4U
Жыл бұрын
Bro nfs growing the people around me who watched Dragon Ball did not give a FUCK about Gohan. Then once we got to his fight with Cell all of a sudden those same people said Gohan was their favorite and that they always liked. So yeah I definitely say its true Gohan fans are fake and literally only like him cuz he went Super Saiyan 2
@xmarcusx3988
Жыл бұрын
@@Far2Sega4U I mean I am sort of the same as all of those people. I dont mind gohan in buu saga or dbs. He is not my favorite character by anychance, not even when he went Super Saiyan 2, I thought it was cool and all and consistent from what we saw from the beginning of dbz. The thing that infuraties me and kind of make me hate gohan is his power ups from nowhere. I am fine with characters getting stronger when they are mad or they need to protect something or someone. But to get so much stronger then someone who trains every day for basically in case of goku and vegeta most of the day is making me angry.
@shadowsansvii8715
Жыл бұрын
I feel like Gohan as the MC would make the show bland. Most MC’s are like him. With great power comes great responsibility. He has to juggle his personal life and his hero life. It’s typical, we see it all the time. Toriyama doesn’t like to be typical, he likes to subvert expectations. So of course he’d let Goku remain as the MC, he makes Dragon Ball what is. Gohan doesn’t really fit that. He doesn’t really fit what DB needs in my opinion.
@Princecharisma111
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the real answer is that tori didn’t know how to write gohan as the main character, not that he isn’t suited for it.
@AllMight6
Жыл бұрын
Well he really isn’t for a long running series without changing gohan character to goku 2.0
@JamilMuhammad-1400-
Жыл бұрын
Well gohan can not be the main character in dbz, naruto, onepiece, black clover, etc. Because all the main characters of these shows have something in common, they all have a goal that they actively act on that pushes the story and makes them proactive.
@omarhasan2254
Жыл бұрын
Unless Toriyama made DBZ the great saiyaman show, there is no plausible way Gohan could have been the main character of the story without abandoning all of his established character traits.
@venomz8888
Жыл бұрын
8:41 I love your humor! Never stop making awesome videos!
@sixfromtokyo
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@envynoson
Жыл бұрын
Right now Goku doesn't even act like Goku. His personality was changed the moment Super was a thing. We didn't need scholar superhero School Kid Gohan, you didn't need to make another Goku but you didn't need to make a Yamcha out of Gohan.
@BunchyPanther42
Жыл бұрын
They transitioned Gohan to the MC in Cell saga perfectly. Trying to do it again now that it’s been undone just wouldn’t work
@Dak1624
Жыл бұрын
Gohab basically became Goku in Cell Saga which would be bad if this would go forward. How would that be different from Goku?
@BunchyPanther42
Жыл бұрын
@@Dak1624 that’s just not true at all, Goku loves fighting and actively seeks it out. Gohan only fights when he has to
@Dak1624
Жыл бұрын
@@BunchyPanther42 I mean during Cell games his attitude was similar to Goku when he fought Frieza.
@BunchyPanther42
Жыл бұрын
@@Dak1624 it was a little different. Goku wanted to keep going with Frieza because he wanted the best fight of his life but with Gohan it was more sadistic, he wanted to make cell suffer for what he’s done and then kill him.
@alexdeghost2729
Жыл бұрын
The reason Goku is more suited as the MC over Gohan is the narrative is based on Journey to the West and Sun Wukong, a coming of age/self discovery story through martial arts philosophy and Goku embodies that more than anybody in the series. On top of that, his lessons he needed to learn that are established at the beginning of Z/Kai aren’t complete when the Cell Saga ends.
@user-bt9yh8jn1q
Жыл бұрын
A coming of age story can work for kid Gohan too
@alexdeghost2729
Жыл бұрын
@@user-bt9yh8jn1q It can, but not as well as Goku, and not to mention the incomplete lessons Goku hasn’t learned yet.
@user-bt9yh8jn1q
Жыл бұрын
@@alexdeghost2729 Goku is closing 50 and relearning lessons he is learnt when he a kid. LMAO
@cheeseburgerfreddy6350
Жыл бұрын
Goku's story should have ended 100x over, he's relearning things he already knew about since DB
@alexdeghost2729
Жыл бұрын
@@user-bt9yh8jn1q No, he’s merely just evolving and expanding his current knowledge like any true martial artist would, even in old age.
@tythegreatttg
Жыл бұрын
Gohan is Ichigo if Ichigo was a side character in db
@godspeedredeicieli4384
Жыл бұрын
That’s a perfect comparison tbh
@orlandojosemoraamaya363
6 ай бұрын
Huh?
@brunaciompi1717
28 күн бұрын
Gohan is a key supporting character, he is not just a side character
@tythegreatttg
28 күн бұрын
@@brunaciompi1717 my point still stands
@Trelitty11
Жыл бұрын
I’d like too say he became the main character when he fought fat buu and turned Super saiyan 3 immediately establishing himself as the most powerful z fighter again
@TallManVanitas
Жыл бұрын
“Gohan’s character following the Cell Arc is pretty consistent with what we’d expect him to do.” Finally, someone who speaks English!
@piccoloatburgerking
Жыл бұрын
Goku is simply too iconic to replace. Any time Gohan is praised (rightfully so) it's done through a passive comparison with Goku, he's always in the back of your mind even when you're witnessing Gohan or Vegeta or Piccolo doing something great because Goku is the benchmark and the icon that holds everything together. Goku IS Dragon Ball and there's nothing wrong with it, if anyone earned to be at that top spot it's him.
@HectorGarfria
Жыл бұрын
Gohan to me has been the Red Boy from the Journey to the West myth. Basically Overpowered when he wants to be, but the characters arrogance always holds him back in a way. Everytime Gohan gets stronger he gets a little smirk and loses in the plot in some way. Gohan Blanco being the recent example which hasn't had the other shoe drop yet(I think that will happen vs the upcoming Black Frieza arc).
@maanmoti
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't dragon ball actually inspired by that story? You might be onto something
@theoneandonly7063
Жыл бұрын
Gohan can be the main character but the story would have to be written differently cuz gohan is a different person than goku. Gohan is more like superman than goku is i.e a gohan story would have him getting stronger to protect his loved ones more than for the thrill of a fight. While goku loves to continously improve his fighting skills by going against strong opponents which happens to be the bad guys.
@theepickyo
Жыл бұрын
I love this style of video you've been doing
@Action-Punk
Жыл бұрын
I always thought Gohan was just never willing to start the fight, he would always counter someone even especially if the big bad or any threat tried to battle him firsthand.
@GearWukong
Жыл бұрын
It's bad writing. Logically when the planet has been under threat more than once and you have the power to stop it, you would feel morally obligated to at least try and maintain that power. But they don't let Gohan do that, it has to be Goku cause he's more popular or something. Though according to Super Hero it doesn't matter how weak Gohan gets, he just has to snap and then he gets stronger... Man Super really truly sucks ass.
@gameuniverse5973
Жыл бұрын
You mean like how he did with SS2 and literally sat on his a s s for a day getting stronger than everyone even Goku and Vegeta who trained for six or seven years once again people think it super fault when the original DBZ literally did it twice
@godspeedredeicieli4384
Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 are you talking about the Buu saga?
@Taikue2024
Жыл бұрын
Six the goat making banger videos
@Its_Stephen
Жыл бұрын
Really appreciated the attention to detail, it conveys your knowledge and love for the series.
@demondoggo2768
Жыл бұрын
Gohan shouldn't really be ' exploding ' after his fight with cell so the fact he's getting rage boosts that are anything but short term bursts is a betryal to his character - Super saiyan 2 was the climax of gohan's rage this was him finally letting go and adopting his pent up emotions as part of him and his fighting style the fact gohan can get a little mad and surpass literally everyone in his universe and stay there is not only out of character for him post cell but just bad power scaling and it baffles me how many people are fine with it. This is part of the reason I don't like gohan " fans " because they're not actually fans of Gohan's character they just like him because of the rage moments he had when he was a kid and if he isn't crushing his oppenents with overwhelming strength they don't like him anymore
@demondoggo2768
Жыл бұрын
Gohan's new El Blanco form is like if when Vegeta snapped against beerus instead of his power returning to normal he stayed that strong and proceeded to box beerus no SSJG required
@padraig-bobotia-maria5176
Жыл бұрын
@@demondoggo2768 like goku keeping super saiyan after the freeza arc
@BunchyPanther42
Жыл бұрын
People are mostly ok with it because it’s better than the way they’ve been handling Gohan in the past
@johnman8398
Жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't he explode post cell? The SS2 moment was just meant be gohan fully unleashed and uninhibited, it was less of a long-lasting fundamental change to his character moving forward but a short term payoff to something that was hyped up (Gohans SS2 moment as well as gohan himself is kinda a mess in the cell saga but I won't get into that rn). We don't know if gohan can stay OP for all we know beast is only accessed when gohan is pushed to his limits effectively making it temporary in function. Also him being able to stay in the form has nothing to do with character and is more of a powerscaling/plot issue. Also it isn't bad powerscaling at least not any worse than what the franchise has normally done. Gohan has always whenever mad been as strong as the plot demanded heck sometimes it doesn't even matter when mad in the cell saga he went from weaker than tien to the strongest from just 1 training session and no I'm not talking about SS2, gohan right after he steps out of the chamber on the lookout is the strongest. I do agree with you on how "fans" just like the moments when he pops off, with people saying that this movie is the "return of gohan".
@johnman8398
Жыл бұрын
@@BunchyPanther42 But it isnt better its just a rushed retread of gohan's arc in Super but worse, people just like it because gohan is the strongest again and has a new form even if it doesn't make much sense.
@prometheusmodelow8322
Жыл бұрын
If you check the manga version of events, the fight between Goku and Vegeta isn't really the focus there, it is barely shown, and it's treated as a background incident to the drama surrounding Buu's return of which Gohan is the main focus, that, and coupled with the focus on Goku telling Gohan to get angry etc. makes me think Toriyama didin't really decide Goku should be back as main character during the Majin Vegeta portion, after all Goku barely does anything other than fight in the background and get knocked out. I feel it is only at one point after Gohan is left unconscious by Buu, Vegeta blows up, and Goku wakes up that Toriyama decided to make the switch. For a while he probably intended to leave Gohan out of the action to save him for the last fight kind of like what he did with Goku during the Piccolo, Saiyan and Frieza arcs, essentially keeping him as the main hero, but before it was all said and done he shifted.
@yuan5154
Жыл бұрын
That's a very good point that Gohan never lost his mystic eye structure At any point I really don't want super to be cannon any more
@mathiewi8020
Жыл бұрын
TNM summarized this pretty well. Gohan is a reactive character in the story, meaning he doesn’t go out and do things on his own, he just does whatever the story pushes him to do. Goku is an active character, meaning he pushes the story forward on his own accord.
@UnwantedGhost1
Жыл бұрын
As Carthu said, "Goku loves fighting, while Gohan doesn't."
@markmagician2471
Жыл бұрын
I think Gohan would if Chi Chi didn't yell at him constantly about studying
@padraig-bobotia-maria5176
Жыл бұрын
thats only in the anime, in the manga he hasn't got anxiety about fighting
@markmagician2471
Жыл бұрын
@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 its just Chi Chi deciding his life for him
@gameuniverse5973
Жыл бұрын
@@markmagician2471no he just does not like fighting he was literally forced to prepare for the Saiyans by piccolo kidnapping him
@padraig-bobotia-maria5176
Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 and every other time?
@stuckwchuck
Жыл бұрын
Gohan's writing after the Cell Arc can't escape the fact that it is directly a response to the fan's crying to have Goku back.
@diaperfang5293
Жыл бұрын
This is what I was looking for. What is wrong with these fools?
@xaviercatson780
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. This entire video could of been short and to the point 😂
@wbrodie55
Жыл бұрын
Because its not true
@mashonem
Жыл бұрын
People been dropping this bullshit reason for 25 years; stop lying just because you saw this shit on a message board back in 2008, there’s no proof or evidence of it
@Cailan_Mors
Жыл бұрын
Fans were not crying for Goku back, stop spreading misinformation.
@austinmc12
Жыл бұрын
Just imagine if gohan loved fighting no body would be safe
@dripmysleep
Жыл бұрын
Oh Em Gee a new Six upload 😈
@GamingLegend-ni5qb
Жыл бұрын
Six casually dropping a banger
@Blah2000Blah
Жыл бұрын
Great vid. I personally think that the type of arc that would make sense for Gohan's development as a character was not the type of story that Toriyama could write. Toriyama tended to fall back on a certain set of tropes when writing the later half of the series and Gohan's personality doesn't fit that type of story arc because he has interests in NORMAL people things and a peaceful existence, instead of interests in pushing his limits even in the midst of life or death situations. A better way to direct the Buu Arc would've been for Buu's resurection to involve possessing Videl and Gohan have to find a way beyond fighting harder to stop her and save her. Could've fell back on some magical themes used in early Dragon Ball and alluded too in the actual arc.
@rae5057
10 ай бұрын
If we just being real Dragon ball wouldnt be the same with out Goku, Goku is Dragon ball
@spriggy_6117
Жыл бұрын
Gohan feels like a "normal" MC to me, whilst Goku feels far more entertaining because of his quirks and his uniqueness. Gohan stops fights, whereas Goku starts fights. The second is more fun to watch.
@Longestroadeva
Жыл бұрын
Real
@BaconMinion
11 ай бұрын
Gohan's only interesting when he becomes a rage monster. That's all anybody ever remembers about him... that and his baby tantrum against Cell. Rage monsters aren't interesting characters for very long, which is why Broly is a movie only character. The spectacle of a rage monster going full on berserker is only interesting for a short moment, and then it just becomes boring once that shock and awe has run out. This is why Gohan goes so long between rage boosting, and why he never followed through. Because it would be boring if the entire thing was just "make Gohan mad, watch as he becomes strongest, end fight". And this is also why his baby tantrum fight against Cell is so remembered, because it was the one time he managed to follow through, even if it wasn't him in his rage monster mode. Gohan's thing was rage boosting. To make him anything else takes away the thing he's known for, and it would make him just be Goku. If you kept him as the main character and his entire rage boosting thing was kept, it would be boring very quickly. So it was either make Gohan not himself, or have a dull character that people would get tired of. This is why Goku was brought back. Because why have somebody just be a copy of Goku when you can have Goku? And this way Gohan can retain his character of being a rage monster, to have those spectacle moments when need be.
@collinleivas9605
Жыл бұрын
Great video Six, been enjoying the fact that your focusing on other stuff besides Naruto and Boruto, not to say that I don't like that content, just that variety is always good
@bawbq5305
Жыл бұрын
I’m not gonna lie I’m completely fine with the “main character” switching through the years, but definitively becoming Goku, because I feel Goku is a far superior main character when it comes to the endless power that an a must be produced in today’s arcs.
@nolanshockley6714
Жыл бұрын
It’s because the writers have no idea what they are doing. They could have the show with Goku and Gohan being a main duo.
@drfirebone1-936
Жыл бұрын
Now this a interesting topic
@cheapR1
Жыл бұрын
Good video. Gohan is a passive character and that doesn't work for Dragonball, while Goku who is an active character does work for the story. Also good tidbit on the super saiyan eyes. I know Mista Fusion also went into it for detail but giving Goku "Vegeta eyes" shows a more serious and evil side. Sadly Trunks normally has it, but that is a physical trait he gets from Vegeta and not from any personality ones
@NeoBoneGirl
Жыл бұрын
The problem is the Gohan isn't even like, really a character? He's almost just like a plot device, something to solve a problem or force the bad guy to show us his ever super stronger form when he gets mad. One of his only character traits is that he doesn't like fighting, and unless we erase that completely and just make him Goku but boring, it's hard for him to carry a story when he has no real goals that mesh at all with Dragon Ball's style. For as many problems as Goku has, which comes down to Toriyama's writing, he is a very, very active character. For better and for worse, he is the one instigating events in the story
@crilleedara
Жыл бұрын
I meean.. Sure, it's true that Goku reclaims the protagonist-role, but I'd say that Gotenks takes over that role for a while. It's hard to say Goku's the main character during volume 40 and pretty much all of 41 imo
@baked7423
Жыл бұрын
been wanting someone to make a vid like this. Fully agree with basically everything it prob was the time between gohan going to train to super buu where the idea of goku started to creep back in the mind of Toriyama. Cuz at least in the manga, the majin vegeta ss2 goku fight wasnt that much of a focus and gohan was still the one to face the main villain. Then Gohan came back after the typical training/power-up and beat down buu but he cant just one shot him or it would be boring so u get buutenks but then thats prob where toriyama was like "hmm where do I take this?" brought goku to have them fuse but then realized a gokhan fusion wouldnt really do anything for the story. i mean maybe it could have work by representing goku and gohan are equal characters which as u said, gohan works when hes not always in the spotlight so u can have them alternate but I like where we headed cuz the kid buu portion is greatness
@Nothing106
Жыл бұрын
I believe gohan could have replaced goku they started changing gohan’s character during the beginning of the 7 years he actually liked to fight more and even with goku and vegeta he wanted to fight really bad etc but they are still milking goku. but the truth is they don’t know how to write gohan and someone with limitless potential like him.
@KaiserMattTygore927
Жыл бұрын
he easily could have replaced Goku, it just means that Toriyama would have to be more clever and mix things up a bit, because frankly it shifting for Goku to really be the main character, that effectively took a sledgehammer to the Buu Saga, undoing basically every major aspect of what he was originally going for just to spin around for a million years watching characters do increasingly stupid and often out of character decisions so the plot could happen. If he stuck with the Gohan idea, it'd be akin to the tone and template shift that was between Piccolo Jr's arc and Raditz' arc.
@scrimV1
Жыл бұрын
before i watch, dont slander my goat gohan six
@iluvslaughter
Жыл бұрын
Puddlehan*
@Sam.el-mexicano_5
Жыл бұрын
My opinion Goku better but I respect your decision
@bitviper3430
Жыл бұрын
Nah fuck gohan. When he pulled that whole goofy ass costume I lost all respect for him. Only thing I care about him rn is Gohan beast.
@jalencunningham2012
Жыл бұрын
@@iluvslaughter I’m pretty sure you got that joke from codenamesuper lol
@gameuniverse5973
Жыл бұрын
@@jalencunningham2012foldhan is my name for it
@godwavenexus
Жыл бұрын
8:42 That shit caught me so off guard 😂
@AlgorithmicPain
Жыл бұрын
"Vegeta quickly mops up this.. DICKHEAD"
@Metro....
Жыл бұрын
One thing that has always pissed ne off with most DB fans is that they constantly shit on Goha for not training or fighting like Goku. Gohan doesn't have the same hunger for battle like Goku and Vegeta as he only fights when its necessary. Also i think some people need to understand that Gohan can't keep up with his training because he's got a job and family to take care of. Goku and Vegeta prioritise training and we can see that their not home very often
@MSCDonkeyKong
Жыл бұрын
in my opinion (as somebody who hasnt watched the full video yet, mind you), i think the main reason why gohan can't replace goku comes down to the fact that gohan doesn't and has never seeked out conflict or trouble. he only ever got involved in situations out of a sense of obligation towards people who kept sacrificing themselves for him, and he's very passive otherwise. gohan was never a driving force in the story. meanwhile, even in early dragon ball where goku hadn't been taught by master roshi, goku and friends have always been motivated by something and have sought out conflicts. first it was the dragon balls, then it was seeking out stronger opponents. reacting to situations that happen TO them is just something that is layered on top of that to change the main character's perspective on a situation. like how krillin's death in original dragon ball impacted the way goku treated the concept of death. gohan, on the other hand, is COMPLETELY reactionary, and has been ever since he was introduced in the saiyan saga. and thats actually fine when he's a supporting character, and fine when he's a secondary main character, but he lacks the driving motivation in the story that allows him to come into conflict with others. it also makes it hard to justify him keeping up with other characters and keeping up his training. and like, fighting out of his sense of obligation is okay and all. but theres nothing he can really LEARN and develop out of that. he'd be an okay MC, but not a great one long-term. he works good for like, bojack movie, but imagine if that was the whole show after that. villain shows up, gohan fights him out of obligation, he learns nothing since he learned everything he possibly could have against cell, repeat. i think thats why vegeta stuck out as a main character more than gohan: his themes and motivations as a character give him more room to grow. not only does vegeta's warrior pride let him seek conflict, but it also gives him lessons to learn and things to develop, even after the buu saga. goku's training does too, as long as you're able to give him lessons to learn related to fighting, since he's fallen into a lot of pitfalls and odd habits since Z. one of the things i think dragon ball super was missing is a main character that gets good development. DBZ followed goku after he was done his character development but it worked because you had both gohan AND vegeta who were constantly learning and getting character development. and even then, you still had goku coming to terms with his saiyan heritage. meanwhile in DBS its like the flashy colors and flying combat is what gets all the focus, until UI where the main character FINALLY learns a new lesson, that being to rely on technique more than power levels. DBS could have had more substance had it either introduced a new character to give development to, or given actual lessons to goku and vegeta. and thats why i like the recent DBS manga's training of goku and vegeta under whis and beerus, because goku's genuinely learning a lesson on how to come up with a technique on his own, and vegeta is finally accepting teaching from someone else, and both have been given something to master that we actually get to watch them master. it also had granolah, who was a main character who got plenty of development, and as a result they're employing two ways of having a through-line in the story. theres also the issue of screen time for side characters, and once goku was revived, it was basically over for gohan since he never trained unless he was reacting to a threat. and thats another area DBS fails in, because at least in Z goku was gone for most of the plot which allowed the side characters to actually participate in it. in super everybody except goku isn't very helpful, except vegeta because his fans get very mad when he starts lacking. but i think the meta-narrative reason that "gohan just doesn't seek conflict and doesn't have any lessons to learn" is basically why gohan stopped being the main character. at least dragon ball super hero gave gohan something that justifies his use in modern material, but don't expect him to take the lead role from goku any time soon. hes a good side/supporting character, and a great deuteragonist, but post-cell-saga-gohan is not a great MAIN character.
@christopherwalsh2368
Жыл бұрын
Goku is a martial artist and Gohan is a scholar. Thats why...
@dj2k460
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been asking this question when it comes to anime mcs taking over a series. The only franchise that successfully does mc transitions is the JoJo series but gohan in dragon ball or boruto in Naruto get stuck in the shadows of Naruto and goku, if the sons are to strong even when it’s justified in universe fans hate it but when they become to weak and can’t surpass the mc fans call them useless. It’s like their in a lose lose situation. A non anime comparison is the avatar series with korra and aang. People say korra was to op at her age but when we follow korra she’s been training for years to masters the elements while aang who ran away from his responsibilities for 100 years not only mastered the elements in 1 year but defeated the Fire lord when he was at his strongest and gained energy bending all at the age of 12-13 while korra was around 16 or 17 and unlike aang had been training for years but she’s called the Mary sue when aang was more Mary sue by comparison given the circumstances
@nishchayjain1121
Ай бұрын
Goku is just like Optimus Prime who also cannot be replaced. Goku and Optimus Prime are too iconic in their own right.
@pokie6371
Жыл бұрын
Six Upload>>> First son being born
@johnman8398
Жыл бұрын
It confuses me how salty people are about Gohan not being the MC when the way he was pushed into that role was so forced as the arc barely had anything to do with him and then he suddenly becomes the focus for the last 10% of it.
@suave9184
Жыл бұрын
Gohan is simply just not that guy
@johnathandoelor7902
Жыл бұрын
Super hero is a Piccolo movie with Gohan in it tell me I'm wrong
@godspeedredeicieli4384
Жыл бұрын
Piccolo is the main, Gohan was mostly in the third act. Nothing wrong with that but people keep saying he’s the main in the movie
@speakeazy2686
Жыл бұрын
Its honestly the fans fault,because he was supposed to be THAT GUY but that’s not what the fans wanted so Toriyama went back to Goku obviously
@SkyRider4815
Жыл бұрын
Also basically removing goku from dragon ball is like removing walter white brom breaking bad
@Erolsaurus
Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@CerotheDemon
Жыл бұрын
It’s almost as if it’s been the Goku show for 37 years straight. That alone is the reason why no one can replace Goku.
@fastng
Жыл бұрын
because people like familiarity. we grew up with goku since og to z, so yea goku is the main character.
@billywilliams8378
Жыл бұрын
One of Piccolo goals is to get Gohan back into fighting shape which is something everyone wants to see. Why? Why do people want to see this? It’s not in his character as outlined in this video thus it has to be done in awkward ways like Kio powering him up or him meditating for some hours or like in Super by it just happening. Gohan passive role of not doing anything isn’t repetition, it’s who he is. That’s his character. The repetition is Piccolo (and the fans) trying to change him over and over again when that’s not who he is. Goku is back, Vegita is there as is Broly. Piccolo character is like theirs so I get him but Gohan never has been and fans seem to rather he be Goku than the character he was written to be.
@gunlancegodaurel1361
Жыл бұрын
Goku pushed Gohan in Cell's loving arms and went "yo you're the mc now dawg"
@bzdagoat
Жыл бұрын
Hot take, but I do feel it’s fair to say that maybe toriyama couldnt find a way to write an interesting story with gohan as the mc. Sure, to the heart of DB arguably goku is the better fit, but an argument can be said that a shift in the story could’ve made gohan work. I’ve seen fan fictions do it pretty well. I mean, look at trunks. People love him and although he isn’t a bloodthirsty warrior he is written well enough to keep interest. You don’t have to make gohan a goku clone, but I think toriyama possibly couldn’t just write an interesting story with goku out the way completely and gohan in charge
@mrkwillz17
Жыл бұрын
Look ik a lot of people are gonna hate me for this but gohan isn't main character material or a warrior he is strong but has to be peer pressured into fighting or only wants to fight when he has no choice or everyone is dead rather than protecting everyone they should of just kept him in the background. And also no matter how hard u defend it beast gohan makes no sense
@stormcutter59
Жыл бұрын
I disagree. Gohan was a developing character and with the way he was going, following in his fathers footsteps was the way to go and he wanted to do that. I look at Future Gohan as a sneak peak into the man Gohan was becoming. People say he was only that way because of the timeline he was in but i disagree. Sure, their would have been differences for sure but i doubt Gohan was supposed to be the kind of guy we see in the Buu arc. What people dont understand is the whole series was suffering from the Buu arc for its overly comedic and laidback tone and Gohan is only a number on the long casualty list from that era. Gohan could have been ANYBODY going into the Buu arc but Toriyama chose to write him in this extremely sheltered way. He didnt HAVE to be this way but he is and the constant messaging to us with his character is that he must be more responsible like his father and he never is. It went against the character he was being built up as for years prior and it goes against his character now to be the way he is. End point is this: Toriyama could have written Gohan in any way he wanted to facilitate the future story. And any other way would have been better than THIS.
@Dak1624
Жыл бұрын
Not really. Gohan was never into fighting that was his arc from the start. So making a sudden change that he wants to be like Goku would out of character for Gohan.
@SteveCrafts2k
9 ай бұрын
@@Dak1624 It's not about whether or not he likes it. It's about responsibility, having the ability to defend your loved ones and using it. He knew this even back in the Saiyan arc, where even if he didn't like the senseless violence and bloodshed of the battlefield, he fought anyways because he wanted his friends to live. He went to Namek so he can revive Piccolo. He willingly chose to train with Goku so they can have a chance to beat Cell. He's not a blood knight like Goku, but that means nothing in the face of threats like Bojack, Buu, and Frieza. In a world like Dragon Ball's, you can't fall on Goku and Vegeta to fix everything.
@josephcarter9929
Жыл бұрын
I wish Boruto didn't replace Naruto. Or at least they didn't have to nerf him. They never nerfed Goku when Gohan took the spotlight...
@boneman9751
Жыл бұрын
This is what so many people fail to understand. All the Stan’s scream that gohan should have took over but ultimately they can’t answer the most basic question “why?” What benefit would the story get from having gohan as the protagonist? Dragon ball became a power up fest anyways, doesn’t matter what saiyan you put in that role, there’s still gonna be BS power ups regardless. His whole character is he doesn’t want to fight, just as it was said in the video, if you want him to fight, he just becomes another goku. Gohans only other defining traits are his intelligence and potential. Intelligence rarely plays a role in DB and his potential only exacerbates DB’s already awful power creep and would require more BS power ups so everyone else could stay relevant. All this and that still doesn’t bring up his “rage boosts” which translates to “I can be as strong as the plot needs me to be” (which IS NOT HEALTHY for a story).
@attackonyugioh92
Жыл бұрын
@ 16:35 awh six ❤ that was beautiful 😢 reminded me of deidara as well
@FriendlyDarkwraith
Жыл бұрын
How long until Toriyama writes it so that Gohan can't access his Beast transformation and goes back to being a side character again?
@obliviongigan6360
Жыл бұрын
I agree, even tho I like Gohan I don't he would fit the role of the protagonist. I wish the other people that like Gohan would understand that too.
@gameuniverse5973
Жыл бұрын
Same thing with future trunks there just both tired of fighting and just want to live a normal relax life
@xaviercatson780
Жыл бұрын
He could of easily fit the mc role if written too. Seriously it's all based around the plot.
@Popstalgia
Жыл бұрын
Like seeing Gohan be the MC and get the spotlight during times of transitions. Love seeing him step in when he needs to do, personally I identify with him more so than Goku and Vegeta.
@JadedSatoru
Жыл бұрын
MORE DBZ CONTENT!
@devonmiller113
Жыл бұрын
@sixfromtokyo what’s the music at 10:47? Great video btw!
@garouthedemon7401
Жыл бұрын
6:26 look at that egregious ass hair line
@topcat59
Жыл бұрын
Great vid bro.😺
@minenhlemakhathini3177
Жыл бұрын
Gohan,s too emotional🚨
@ginnungagapabyss5639
Жыл бұрын
Honestly they should have made android 21 be the main villain. With one change. Just make her based off of og73, with all of the data of og73, the red ribbon army, and Gero gathered, programmed into her. They could have spared her, keeping her as a future character. Her without the majin side corrupting her, would have been a great character, the greatest potential, a massive arsenal of fighting styles, and techniques, she would be a genius in science, and biology which could be very useful, and her being able to copy any power or ability she could have been a great addition to the series. She could be working with Bulma again, since she apparently worked for her in one of her origin stories from the games, with her grandson. Goku, and Vegeta could handle the battles away from the earth.
@BC21beats
Жыл бұрын
I've been reading dragon ball for 20 yrs and never noticed the eyes thing
@goodmusicofthegoodkind
Жыл бұрын
Why Troy Couldn't Escape Prison - Real Life
@sonnywoods6846
Жыл бұрын
Gohan's training on kaio shin's planet is similar to similar to the z fighters waiting for Goku running down snake way, to arrive on Namek, to heal in the healing tank, to recover from the heart virus, and to come out of the room of spirit and time. Based toriyama's writing goham's training and power up on kaio shin planet is a main character trait
@Dak1624
Жыл бұрын
The difference if Gohan trains because he doesn't have a choice. Without training his loved ones will be gone. While Goku trains because he loves to self improve himself.
@TheUnseenPath
Жыл бұрын
The fact of the matter is a skilled writer couldn’t make the sun just as compelling as the father. They could have something similar traits, but still be different.
@callumdobson8637
Жыл бұрын
Gohan always does better when he has another character with him to be duo main character he can’t take the role by himself but with other people he shine
@TheUnseenPath
Жыл бұрын
But that’s the thing Gohan didn’t want to study at certain points. He wanted to be part of the action with his dad.
@drebone1986
Жыл бұрын
I think there's a couple reasons why he lost the main spot going forward 1: He doesn't have any friends of his own to play off of and grow the story outside of Videl 2: Toriyama didn't want to write Dragon Ball over again and build all them characters going forward just to make him the main cause it's too time consuming 3: He should've did a spinoff to reset the board completely so we the audience knows it's his story going forward so we can finally view the world thru his eyes cause as apart of Z it's Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Krillin, etc... story and he's just another strongman in a full cast that we know will step up everytime while he's finally seeing the world and growing 4: Nobody wants to abandon the main cast cause Gohan going to high school and possibly finding a girl he likes doesn't compare to Vegeta fighting an enemy and Goku & Piccolo training for the next battle, ultimately Toriyama didn't want to do the same thing twice is what it came down to and you can see that in Super. He just wants to introduce people and have a challenge and on to the next
@DwasTV
4 ай бұрын
One of the main reasons is that Gohan is just TOO smart. Goku is probably accidentally a villain to too much in the game. He is the reason shit gets out of hand. Gohan prob won't let it happen except getting cocky mistake
@reddragon100
3 ай бұрын
Only time Goku let things go out of hand was Buu saga even then everyone did it in Buu saga. Gohan not training, Vegeta turning Majin releasing Buu and Gotenks playing with Buu all did their effort in continuing Buu as threat
@rayeed972
2 ай бұрын
Goku is a emotion the DB franchise started with him and i want it to end with him as well if it ends at some point. I like Gohan but Goku is Goku i cant see anyone in his place The best way is make Goku the the MC of the anime and make more canon movies and make Gohan the mc of those movies
@teeboz6237
Жыл бұрын
I think you summed up Gohans character perfectly by stating he’s not an innate fighter (I’m paraphrasing). He’s just someone who will go all out when he needs to. Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Recoome, Ginyu, Freeza ETC. but I also agree they need to stop making him a pacifist ALL of the time. Just have the best of both worlds. It’s been stated from his introduction he can be the strongest fighter on earth yet he only fights when necessary. Super having him state he needs to keep training for them to 180 in the very next arc is just rubbish writing.
@InfiniteMind9
Жыл бұрын
He could have ever since SSJ2 but writing sent him to College
@yellowsupercar366
Жыл бұрын
so akira had the foresight that a reactive hero isnt optimal for a story, maybe a certain mangaka ( *kubo* ) shouldve took note of that :)
@joeythehom1e569
Жыл бұрын
7:55 I don't know why, but their colors being swapped makes me feel horribly uncomfortable.
@markmagician2471
Жыл бұрын
At this point Broly seems like Goku's replacement since Goku and Vegeta are training him
@_MrLee
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Goku and Gohan Turned SSJ and had a Father/Son Battle with Frieza... The sad part is that Goku lets Gohan escape in a Sayain POD to be sent back to earth before Namek Explodes...
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