Must watch. kzitem.info/news/bejne/yGqi1amJiYJknHosi=FhThuMDLxL5SsgJM
@kevincurtis6550
2 ай бұрын
Well said, John. PSA should be held accountable for who they are and what they do.
@chrisc4264
2 ай бұрын
Absolutely nailed it. After they charged me $50 for a card they refused to grade that I pack pulled, I was done with them. They're also a monopoly. Collectors Universe that is, who owns both SGC and PSA now. I'll just buy more cards with the money I save from not grading
@signsofthepastime
2 ай бұрын
They want all the fees and upcharges without any accountability
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Right
@MrFisherbike
2 ай бұрын
Truth
@Hitman23NYY
2 ай бұрын
Holla!
@chrisolivo6591
2 ай бұрын
In the end, the consumer ultimately decides the market. Unfortunately there is a section of the hobby (mostly flippers and high collectors) who obsess about the grade and will never question the validity of each slab. I don’t obsess about the grade because it’s all relative. I have gone through so many cards that i have and want, and the majority of each grade rise and fall together. If the PSA 10 is down, you can bet the 9 is down. If a Vintage PSA 6 is up, you can bet the 3,4,5 are up. I avoid the super end deals like a 1986 Fleer Jordan PSA 10 because it’s a market for 1% rich so it’s not worth it to even analyze. I think too many KZitemrs take those numbers literally and it creates a false premise. “The 10 is up 35%, and 9 is only up 22% so the 10 is the better buy!” There are so many variables to every transaction so you use those numbers as a gauge, not the law.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
You sound like you know how to really analyze. I guess if I was a seller or investor I would monitor those things. It may actually be fun for some of us.
@chrisolivo6591
2 ай бұрын
@@MrJmanginii love crunching the numbers on anything, so analyzing sports card trends are fun. I grew up playing StratOMatic baseball so I’m a stats nerd. But i hate modern day analytics, those guys have ruined baseball. Lol
@jchcollins
2 ай бұрын
All very valid points. Why do they get away with it? Because collectors as a collective have not been successful In demanding it. What do you make of the argument that stuff is all that matters? That as long as the card is in a certain holder, with a certain grade and the owner is happy - then they don’t pursue it any further than that? Clearly this is what is happening. Why do high rollers like Ken Kendrick and Marshall Fogel not call PSA out on the inconsistencies? The clearly altered cards in numbered holders that BODA have exposed? Clearly they could.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
People who have or get 9 and 10’s on vintage won’t say anything because they hit the lottery. lol
@jchcollins
2 ай бұрын
@@MrJmangini Right. But at the end of the day there are people with enough $ and influence in the hobby to start a movement to hold PSA, et al. accountable. They haven't done that. Gotta ask yourself why that is...
@mackeymintle66
2 ай бұрын
Grading cards has always been just a way to insert their “service” in between low IQ/lazy/uninformed collectors who seek “easy money”, are motivated by FOMO and greed, and theor wallets. It’s a problem…that so many people lack impulse control, and are easily manipulated by emotion. I have been studying marketing and advertising as a hobby, since the mid 1980’s. It’s a disturbing trend. Most people don’t see the obvious manipulation going on all around them. They’ve been successfully programmed by the deft manipulation of the media and the corporate ad campaigns, or the disingenuous political rhetoric (propaganda). Take a couple media awareness classes. Understand how easy the human brain can be groomed and tricked… this is fighting back…critical thinking is apparently too hard for most. The only reason I can see to grade a card, is to join in on the mass delusion, to extract maximum value from the consumers?
@jscac1234
2 ай бұрын
Spot on with this topic and I also honestly think they do not spend enough time on a card. Think about how much time they actually spend on a card? Over a million items a month they grade at PSA. Without knowing they literally could just say well that’s a 5 or that’s a 10 just by a quick 10 second look. Also without grading notes they literally do not really have to thoroughly grade a card. Just several reasons grading is a scam. Another the up charge for a more “valuable card”. Really? Does it take that much more to grade a 1950’s card than a 2024 card. Maybe finding out a rare card set may take more time to research but as a service no need to up charge for actually grading the card. Another is mislabeling. After all these years in the hobby you would think they could get a label accurate. But the biggest for sure is the value difference in a grade based off a so called professional grader. It crazy the amount of money a card can be worth based off of one number difference and in reality not a whole lot of difference and many instances the higher grades card isn’t as good.
@SammyThunder
2 ай бұрын
Valid point about the qualifications. I feel like there is more to this conversation than just questioning why grading companies don't publicly show the qualifications of their graders.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
And what’s that?
@Templeburd
2 ай бұрын
You know what i like to do when i have some mint cards in my possession??...Nothing, just leave them raw and wait for PSA to lower their fees to match their quality of grading.
@threewheeler624
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for a good video. How many active Collector Club Members are there? How many last year? How many cancellations are occurring, daily? PSA could raise the grading fees and club membership annual fee to pay for new defective holders, inconsistent grading standards, new facilities, and professionally trained expert card graders?! Have a great weekend. Make Sports Fun Again.
@vintagecollector5340
2 ай бұрын
Grading companies are a joke...especially PSA. I dont collect many cards anymore, but the few I do collect are mostly ungraded. Reason being, is because PSA doesnt label the cards correctly. These particular cards are 1989 Star Company promotional ad cards of Ken Griffey Jr. I know its 1989, because the address on the reverse side of the card is a NJ address. They moved to Florida late in 1990, so the later ad cards following the move had the Florida address. Still yet, PSA labels these cards as "1988-1992 Star Ad" on the label. How come I know enough information to label these cards correctly and precisely to a year, but PSA can't? Theyre supposed to be experts! How much more lazy and unprofessional can you get? If I have a rookie of Ken Griffey Jr, I want it accurately and precisely labeled as such. I dont want a wide range of dates on the label, just because PSA wants to be lazy and unprofessional. Funniest part about all of this, is that I already know their side of the argument, too: "Oh...well, sir, they are labeled accurately. Those cards were indeed between 1988-1992."
@davidheinz6124
2 ай бұрын
All grading companies should be held accountable for every card they grade. And every grader should be held accountable for every card they grade. Maybe they would be consistent in their grading.
@Hodges1455
2 ай бұрын
Gave a video like. Grading isn't a scam. If something has flaws and isn't perfect, doesn't mean it has no place all together. I've never graded a single card, though I enjoy purchasing cards which are already graded for a variety of reasons. I happen to think grading is too expensive. That's why I haven't graded any of my cards. I haven't not graded cards because I thought it was a scam though. I don't want or need to know everyone's qualifications who works at PSA or any other grading company. I know the head of the company, that is all I care to know. When I invest money into a mutual fund, they list who is running it and their qualifications, not anyone else who works there.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
I am being dramatic for effect. But you most certainly know the person who manages the mutual fund and picks the stocks no? Cathy Wood isn’t responsible for choosing which stocks AARK buys? If I trust Cathy Wood I invest. If not I can pick a fund manager I do trust and buy another one instead.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Plus mutual funds publish their stock holdings and have to by law. You know exactly what stocks you own in them. It’s a little different animal than card grading.
@Hodges1455
2 ай бұрын
@@MrJmangini Yeah, it is a different animal for sure. What confuses me the most with grading, is the individuals that are currently sending all these cards in for grading. For every five cards I see, one makes sense to me why it was recently graded and the other four I can't fathom why they were ever sent in.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
I’m with you. I saw yesterday some people who had 1990 Donruss grades graded. To each his own but sure seems like a waste of money to me to grade $1 cards just because you can’t stand to have a card not in a PSA holder. But what do I know. I just like to get people thinking and talking. I have a way of getting people’s juices flowing haha
@COBRA-ky8qc
2 ай бұрын
Grading is a scam especially when they hire graders with no experience or knowledge of the hobby. They can't tell a fake card from an authentic card or a card in fair condition from a card in excellent condition . Totally bogus.
@multiniceguy1.510
2 ай бұрын
On point John , I have been in the hobby for 43 years , I don't want some anonymous person telling me what my card grades are . Personal opinion all grading companies should be shut down , great video John .
@cardboardandplastic9267
2 ай бұрын
With my last grading order at PSA I think it was done by an ex-girlfriend that is still upset at me.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Hahaha
@MidLifeCards
2 ай бұрын
Well said, Mr. Mangini.
@idolizing_Gibson
2 ай бұрын
Amen, brother! 🙌
@blixcards
2 ай бұрын
You have a good point. I'd certainly like to know who the Angel Hernandez of grading is at SGC and PSA. Someone massacred the grades on all of my pack-fresh 1960's tallboys and 1980's Hockey. My 6's-8's look like 7's-10's compared to every other graded copy on Earth. I'd pay more and wait longer to avoid certain graders all day long, brother.
@michaelyoung7974
2 ай бұрын
This is the most foundational concern about "professional" grading, and you hit it precisely and concisely.
@ACD1994
2 ай бұрын
Why does the hobby- continue to give the numerical grade as, you said, sometimes difference... thousands of dollars? When we don't know the experience level of those who give out the grades. Yeah, I am with you on that. I am crazy, but not that crazy...I do care about my money. As anyone should. I don't know what I am missing? The hobby - is not logical. But we are making sense. I think.
@mag537
2 ай бұрын
And you're not allowed to know why they graded a card they way they did.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Yea that one gets me. No explanation whatsoever so KZitemrs showing their grades seem to always being trying to figure out why they got certain grades.
@landrythelegend6979
2 ай бұрын
Good points. I enjoy grading and I don't call it a scam, but I do feel like there needs to be another layer to it. Maybe each card should see at least two pairs of eyes, just in case the first grader has an off day or something. I see it like how books have editors, graders should have something similar.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Yes I am being a bit dramatic to prove a point. I get triggered when they don’t even know what set a card is from. So it got through multiple hands and no one knew the set it was from. The. How are they experts? And if they’ve never seen a card from the set before, how can they properly grade it?
@landrythelegend6979
2 ай бұрын
@@MrJmangini Being dramatic about it is fair, I say. It's a big business that needs some refining.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
They completely control the hobby now. It’s worth scrutinizing. The first thing everyone will tell you if you sell your collection is to get them all graded. If not you either can’t sell them or will get far less money. That proves they control everything when it comes to money side of the hobby. Now granted it’s because dealers and collectors are brainwashed and ultimately responsible for this. But I still think there should be at least some transparency.
@ACD1994
2 ай бұрын
I've heard from several people that cards are looked at by more than 1 person. But I don't know for sure.
@SyqmA
2 ай бұрын
I don’t pay strangers for their opinion on my collectibles
@tommayrant2279
2 ай бұрын
Andrew McCutchen just became the 8th player in MLB history to have at least 2,000 hits, 400 doubles, 50 triples, 1,000 rbi, 200 sb, 1,000 BB and 1,000 runs scored. He joins Mays, Aaron, Frank Robinson, Brett, Winfield, Barry Bonds and Beltran.
@davelachey8118
2 ай бұрын
That’s remarkable, and most likely not a future HOFer! He’ll be another on the long list of Very Good but not Great. An MVP in 2013, but a 49.3 WAR will be big factors. As a Reds fan I was looking at Joey Votto’s stats: 2135 Hits, 459 2B, 22 3B, 1144 RBI, 1365 BB, 1171 RS, 64.5 WAR, 1 MVP. Also impressive.
@miamifinsfan
2 ай бұрын
Grading is a joke
@wanderlustchannel-gw2yn
2 ай бұрын
but.... but.... its fun!! kurts card care!
@davidm686
2 ай бұрын
Great points. The only reason to hide certifications is when they’re aren’t any. As far as an entity that does the same…I’m not sure where any of my tax money goes and I’m damn sure there’s no one outside of the military qualified to use it properly.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Haha true! Politicians also don’t have qualification’s!
@D3Csportscards
2 ай бұрын
Well said. 100% truth.
@thedetroitcollector
2 ай бұрын
I always saw it as a way to avoid potential retaliation to the graders. You’re dealing with crazy amounts of money, people’s jobs and livelihood (dealers) etc. if they gave out names of graders and there backgrounds qualifications, I can see very angry people retaliating at that grader if they got a bad grade. But I do agree the companies should show an overall qualification overview of what the company look for In hiring, there training etc.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
They could tell us all the graders and backgrounds without telling us which specific grader graded our cards. You would think they would be proud to show their expert graders on their website. When the intentionally hid them many assume they just hire people off the street who know nothing about cards and train them. I’ve been collecting for decades and I’m still learning about new sets and nuances with the cards. How is a newbie qualified?
@thedetroitcollector
2 ай бұрын
@@MrJmangini I agree with you on that, giving out the names of everyone shouldn’t be a problem
@ACD1994
2 ай бұрын
@@thedetroitcollector I don't really need names as much...I would like to know more about the process. What goes into their decision making. I've heard several times. Each card is, looked at for under 2 minutes by 2 different graders. And if they don't agree, they have a ''tie-breaker'' amongst a 3rd person. But I don't know that for sure... someone from PSA (and SGC too) could come on video, and say, if that's true. Far as qualifications. Hard for me to say. The grader could be 21, or 61. Since that information isn't publicly known, the collector has to decide for their self, what they should do.
@thedetroitcollector
2 ай бұрын
@@ACD1994 I’ve heard that as well about multiple graders reviewing a card. Yeah a documented process or something would be nice.
@patrickkeller997
2 ай бұрын
Understand your point. With the amount of crooks in the hobby do you really think that would go well? Some JR grader would given all 10s and cruising in a Lamborghini 3 weeks after they make that change.
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
They could be transparent and list their graders and backgrounds without actually saying which one of them graded your specific cards. You’d think if they are proud of their “experts” they would want to show us them.
@brethenning9486
2 ай бұрын
Today on eBay I watched 2 of the same card, one was graded PSA 5 go for way more money than this other perfect card that had no issues because it was not graded. I will take a perfect ungraded card over a PSA 5 any day.
@COBRA-ky8qc
2 ай бұрын
Like I commented on midlife sports recently if you cannot tell the condition of a card are rather it is authentic or not then you should not be in this hobby at all.
@kenscardboard
2 ай бұрын
Preach it John! I can’t name another industry.
@angelsantosiii9571
2 ай бұрын
You’re right John that’s why I don’t even think about grading cards. I always thought about that myself…😎👍
@warrendinCLE
2 ай бұрын
I think you make very valid points. The accountability does not seem to be there
@Vintage_Goats
2 ай бұрын
All of that was true John. I do wonder why we can’t know who the graders are
@888strummer
2 ай бұрын
He answered the question as to why the graders names are kept secret. The difference between a 9 and a 10 can be tens of thousands of dollars. That's why the names are secret. To protect the lives of the graders from nutjobs who get a 9 and feel the grader cost them $20k or more by ot giving them a 10
@ACD1994
2 ай бұрын
They don't want people like us coming to their house or showing up at their job.
@lovetruth8549
2 ай бұрын
🤔 i think what you've demonstrated over time is they're not always the experts. I wonder about knowing the exact graders though. Seems like just a matter of time before they'd be bought off by high end submitters, even more so if it's not already happening. I think the company should be held accountable for its mistakes. Where to focus your attention is a little more obscure
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Don’t you think they could tell us who their big group of graders are with saying who specifically is grading each individual submission? Problem solved.
@RWorfel1
2 ай бұрын
I’m not going to name names because every time I do someone comes after me, but there is one specific grading company that has graders who are in their late teens/early 20’s and are hired with no prior experience at all. After just a bit of on job training (few months) they turn them lose and let them grade freely. That’s BS. And if someone like me questions/challenges a specific company for their grade of a particular card, some fanboy comes along and says I’m not qualified to dispute this companies opinions on a card. This despite the fact that I’m almost 50 and have seen more cards than most of these graders will see in years. Grading is stupid. You don’t know what you’re going to get with these companies and most of the time it’s very inconsistent.
@888strummer
2 ай бұрын
what company has graders in their teens? Doubtful it's PSA or SGC
@RWorfel1
2 ай бұрын
@@888strummer you’d be surprised. Let me ask…. between those 2 companies, which one do you think would be more likely to employ someone that young with no experience?
@JenniferMedina-bg1zb
2 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure PSA and SGC wouldn’t hire graders that young without any type of experience. Where did you hear this??
@888strummer
2 ай бұрын
@@RWorfel1 I doubt PSA and SGC would ever hire graders who were teenagers. I doubt your info is true, which is why you don't want to name names.
@RWorfel1
2 ай бұрын
@@888strummer ask Geoff Wilson if either company has hired folks in their late teens/early 20’s. And yes, they hire people with no experience. You think every person they hire has prior grading experience? If they hire someone who is around 20 years old, where do you think they worked before? Another big grader on the other side of the country? Keep in mind that non of the 3 big companies are located close to one another. Are they all simply swapping employees? NO. Do the big 3 three ever steal an employee away from GMA or TAG or some other small company? And Would you be ok with that??? Come on people, you are smarter. These companies are not hiring 40-50 year olds with years and years of grading experience. They want young fresh new hires with no experience (folks with low pay expectations) that they can train and groom to stay with them for years. You 2 aren’t applying enough logical thought here.
@1ozmoz834
2 ай бұрын
There is one example. I don't know the name or the qualifications of the guy I owe money to in the backroom of the local pool hall. LOL
@edwardowens6427
2 ай бұрын
Preach! I only have three graded cards: the Billy Ripken “FFace” card because I didn’t want a fake, and two others, a ‘84 Donruss Mattingly and an Acuna, because I could only find them in slabs. Raw is just fine with me and it saves me a lot of money.
@mediaguy4037
Ай бұрын
It’s a scam because you are paying for someone else’s opinion! No thanks! I’ll just buy raw cards!
@LetsStormTheTeaCupRide
2 ай бұрын
The autograph authentication business. Who is passing or failing the autographs? When I see the young kids at the JSA booth, were THEY brought off the street? You are keeping it 💯 Mangenius.
@lt.crossbones5288
2 ай бұрын
We need a whistleblower from inside to start spilling the beans. How much do they make?
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
They are under non disclosure agreements. Something else that’s suspect lol
@kevincarew6186
2 ай бұрын
I've been starting to collect pre-war cards, mostly raw. I hold onto them for a bit and then get them graded just because I don't want something to happen to them because they are so old or I want to make sure they aren't fake. Most of them are graded very low. But I'm not big on the grade but for the other reasons that I just stated. Does that make sense to do or is there another solution I'm missing?
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
That’s fine to do. Lots of people do the same.
@cute-e-degen-kf8rf
2 ай бұрын
no credentials... no way
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
I’m not saying they do or don’t have credentials. But how would we know? kzitem.info/news/bejne/yGqi1amJiYJknHosi=FhThuMDLxL5SsgJM
@user-ir8uu1ef6f
2 ай бұрын
I sent cards in to SGC that were worthy of least an 8 nm/mt I compared my card to other 8’s graded and the cards I submitted looked better in two different aspects of the card …I wonder sometimes if you are a somebody that spends a thousand a month paying for grading..that gets you better grades as opposed to spending $100 every several months?
@brendanryan3885
2 ай бұрын
True the Graders are given a pass on credentials or at least kept from us collectors, would be nice if they had the graders who had hands & eyes on the card featured in some fashion on the slab for reference. Good luck with that though lol
@jaypilon8281
2 ай бұрын
Some cool points. Like Boxing Judges! Its all rigged, rigged! Thumbs Up
@johnwallace596
2 ай бұрын
But trust me you know the name of the judge as well get to see judgements made prior too....just hope the people before didnt piss him/her off....
@888strummer
2 ай бұрын
You answered your own question when you said the difference between a 9 and 10 can be tens of thousands of dollars. Thats why the graders names are kept a secret. They need to be protected from collectors who blow a fuse when they disagree with a grader
@dustinabraham
2 ай бұрын
Why is it that if a card is pristine... sharp corners, well-centered, nice edges and surface, no marks, BUT has a pinhole, it's the same grade as if I took a card and crumpled it up into a ball and then flattened it out?
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Great question. The degrees of 1’s is never ending.
@kevintreichel1630
2 ай бұрын
PSA should hire you as a Sargeant for graders. You dont recognize the 1962 Hostess blank backs?!!!!! Give me 50. right now!!
@fastbreaksbreakfast
2 ай бұрын
Great food for thought. There really is a bit "cult mentality" when it comes to grading. Have a great weekend, John. Cheers!
@bearcards3497
2 ай бұрын
Very good points, all around, on this one.
@MrFisherbike
2 ай бұрын
So true john
@NuthinFancyCollectibles
2 ай бұрын
🙈
@PickerJimS
2 ай бұрын
Get back to me when you figure out what a slab is! 😂🤣
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
I lost all credibility calling a holder without a number a slab. I’m a total loser. lol
@PickerJimS
2 ай бұрын
😂😂
@Andys_Attic
2 ай бұрын
😂
@Andys_Attic
2 ай бұрын
@@MrJmangini 😂
@CVMGAM
2 ай бұрын
2:22 The banking system, and the federal reserve
@OC-MC_Joe
2 ай бұрын
Best comment on youtube this year!
@Retro_Fan
2 ай бұрын
I think you are starting to take this hobby a little to seriously. Go outside. Take in fresh air.
@rockcundiff1761
2 ай бұрын
*too
@Retro_Fan
2 ай бұрын
@@rockcundiff1761 All you guys.. go outside, get involved with another hobby, get laid. Jesus...
@rockcundiff1761
2 ай бұрын
And you can go back to your government paid apartment and think about the glory days when you took your mom to Prom
@JenniferMedina-bg1zb
2 ай бұрын
@@Retro_Fanyou need Jesus in your life
@punisher6
2 ай бұрын
I think artificial intelligence will play a significant role in the future for grading, I hope that doesn't make you feel even worse about it 😂
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
I welcomed me AI. At least that will identify the correct set. How does an expert not know what set a card is from even when it has a big number at the bottom?
@jamesnguyen7069
2 ай бұрын
by then, the AI will tell you what to eat, what to do, when to exercise, what to collects (NFTS)...
@ACD1994
2 ай бұрын
There will always be bias. Even with AI. I do think the advantage, though no pun intended. AI should crack down on cards that have been previously graded. Would take current pop reports with a grain of salt. TAG already does this. And are pretty successful. But they aren't grading cards, before 1990.
@DaveDurango
2 ай бұрын
@@ACD1994 TAG is fantastic.
@backtothecardboard
2 ай бұрын
This sounds a lot like a rant John.😁😮
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Really? I thought I was calm ☺️
@johnwallace596
2 ай бұрын
I say the same dang thing!!
@jon-eriksuermann9844
2 ай бұрын
It would be funny if on your videos you “cracked” graded cards on your collection
@LegendsNeverDieCollection
Ай бұрын
What is grading? 🤪
@MrJmangini
Ай бұрын
It’s a scam to steal collectors money by treating cards like diamonds.
@LegendsNeverDieCollection
Ай бұрын
Sounds like something to avoid!
@the_card_closet
2 ай бұрын
Coin graders? 😂😂
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Haha
@bobcalderon2534
2 ай бұрын
Don't complain, you buy graded cards yourself.
@LetsStormTheTeaCupRide
2 ай бұрын
Big difference between buying a slabbed card and submitting your cards for grading there, Bob. Like this man, I do not grade but sometimes a card you want comes graded and the price is a right and the card looks nice and you buy it. 👎
@rockcundiff1761
2 ай бұрын
But you don't grade.....so no problem for you
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Damn right. They mis label so many sets.
@rockcundiff1761
2 ай бұрын
Yep, they keep mislabeling 1949 leaf as 1948
@MrJmangini
2 ай бұрын
Exactly! And scrapps tobacco and Bond bread.
@rockcundiff1761
2 ай бұрын
And I have the Bond in 5.5
@jamesnguyen7069
2 ай бұрын
SGC just graded a prizm '22 luka silver a 1... its floating around online. lol
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