My favorite justification for swords being in science fiction is when warfare has to regress rather than advance and the people have to adapt to it. The main example that comes to mind is obviously Dune.
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
2 ай бұрын
@@raiju5422 I’m not certain but I think the book predates Warhammer
@averywhitaker3513
2 ай бұрын
@@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699by a good twenty years
@JackV6.0
2 ай бұрын
The first dune book came out in 1965 whereas warhammer came out in the 1980’s
@raiju5422
2 ай бұрын
@@JackV6.0 yes, but movies are not 100% book adaptations and even the books get inspirations in after warhammer, but that is not my point, Warhammer 40k fits the theme better, i just bring Dune being inpired by it as an extra
@raiju5422
2 ай бұрын
@@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 i mean, how can i know iif you read the books or just watch the movies
@geraldposter1496
2 ай бұрын
Metal Gear Rising had my favorite reason. Cyborgs have become extremely common place on the battlefield, and since their muscles are made of carbon nanotubes even before adding armor to them theyre already highly resistant to most firearms. So to deal with cyborgs, its better to (when youre one yourself) pull out the sci fi sword and use it with your enhanced strength to be able to do meaningful damage. Like the standard pmc cyborgs you fight still have guns for more standard threats, but when they see someone like raiden they pull out the high frequency machete.
@mrziggyzaggy113
2 ай бұрын
yeh this is shown amazingly in gamplay too. even on the hardest difficulty, the guys with rifles do barely any damage to you and its almost impossible for them to kill you even if you let them try
@user-jf4uf9nh9c
2 ай бұрын
The best part of this imo is finding out that Jetstream Sam wasn't a cyborg at all, he was just Him.
@diegopugaquintanilla4344
2 ай бұрын
This also makes the intro of mile high really funny if you think about it, the police cyborgs shoot raiden before telling him to pull over, then unload multiple ARs on his car, then they fire A WHOLE RPG at him, but its only when he threatens them that they declare that they're authorized to use "lethal force"... So they holster their guns and pull out their batons
@GamesWorkshopsFlyingCircus
2 ай бұрын
show me a good time, random NPC!
@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf
2 ай бұрын
@@diegopugaquintanilla4344that makes it fucking hilarious you’re right
@zubdub2506
2 ай бұрын
One of the smart justifications I like is specifically related to combat on space-fairing vessels. In a sci-fi world, where lasers can punch through metal and such with ease, it would make sense that, in the vacuum of space, you'd want weapons that don't put you at risk of depressurization.
@MarcusVance
2 ай бұрын
This one is a bit iffy for me. Explosive decompression isn't nearly as bad as movies make it seem. Space stations have had holes and barely noticed. A lot of holes WOULD be bad, but a short firefight could get repaired easily.
@justalurker3489
2 ай бұрын
@MarcusVance Other factors like power systems can have a similar problem. For example, in Aliens Ripley points out the Colonial Marines are packaging rifles with explosive rounds in a possibly damaged nuclear power plant.
@Seth-Halo
2 ай бұрын
@@justalurker3489maybe but do you want to be the guy defending engineering with a mono sword against the guy who has a ranged option? It isn't unlikely that any power systems would have reasonable safety systems in place realistically. Where a firefight in one section of the ship doesn't just cut the whole power unless it's in the reactor room. Even then back up generators would likely be placed away from the reactor itself. Wouldn't be perfect but there should be little worry about damaging anything too vital again unless it's in the reactor room. But the reactor is likely heavily armored so it's unlikely most normal boarding weapons would really cause any damage to it. Unless someone was specifically trying to destroy it. Even then it wouldn't detonate like a nuke. Just cause a radiation leak. Unless it was antimatter and the containment fields managed to fail. But if you are at that level of technology where you can harvest/create and contain vast amounts of antimatter, then your containment fields wouldn't be so easy to disrupt that a strange shot would cause the end of the ship. Would make for an anticlimactic end to a scifi story though. MC and antagonist fighting on the ship as the antagonists force is are boarding. Suddenly the ship just detonates because a stray shot disrupted the containment fields. The end lol
@justalurker3489
2 ай бұрын
@@Seth-Halo I mean the more reasonable option would be some kind of limited penetration projectile or energy weapon. Like how people use a short-barreled suppressed .300 Blackout rifle.
@MegaKnight2012
2 ай бұрын
Like mechs using melee tactics in urban warfare to minimize city damage
@Valdyr_Hrafn
2 ай бұрын
the best reason I have found was mentioned in Ghostrunner: Guns have collateral damage, swords dont. you dont want your fire to go rogue and hit a civilian
@MarcusVance
2 ай бұрын
I can get behind that
@jbear9
2 ай бұрын
I could see that in a world with high velocity rounds in the weapons. Something that might go through multiple layers of steel or something.
@zhangbill1194
2 ай бұрын
@@MarcusVanceThat's actually not the only reason. Another reason is the designer of the ghostrunners(which are basically cyborg ninjas) Believe that these ghostrunners he created was advanced enough to deal with projectile weapons. While this is technically true considering the ghostrunners have the ability to block and deflect bullets, dodge bullets, air dash, And are very difficult to hit to the moveAnd are very difficult to hedge to the movement. All of these are theorized by a scientist and engineer who has never been in a fight his entire life. Actually executing these manoeuvres are extremely difficult, and ghostrunners will die in a single hit. Which is why the protagonist (who is a ghostrunner) grumbles. When creator brags about how advanced ghostrunners are, and how ghostrunners dont need ranged weapons
@skyhisurvivor4724
2 ай бұрын
@@jbear9Well, even in the modern world, most bullets capable of reasonably killing someone will have the potential for collateral damage. That and with the future holding cybernetic implants more likely than not, it'd be easier to have a vibrating blade to avoid collateral than to make a round that only goes through one layer of armor
@FarremShamist
2 ай бұрын
@@zhangbill1194 I love Ghostrunner, I guess if you completed the game you do prove the creator correct--especially if you're deflecting bullets commonly.
@WumboGuy
2 ай бұрын
One of my favorite examples of this is in Star Wars: knights of the old republic. In the old republic era the use of personal energy shields was widespread leading to blasters often being much less effective. Vibroswords could more easily get through energy shields so they became more popular, and wearing an energy shield could often allow someone with a vibrosword enough protection to close the distance against a blaster. So they both kinda feed into eachother creating a niche that allowed melee to be an effective option, especially in close quarters like in a city.
@keklord4128
2 ай бұрын
Also the reason why personal energy shields were common then is because blasters were way less advanced than in the movie era
@jackbouton6460
2 ай бұрын
Right, I love how Dune handles it. The speed aspect makes it super interesting, allowing ranged weapons to still be incredibly useful, but opening the door for extremely skilled hand to hand fighters. It also engages a more tactical aspect of combat, whereas in some sci fi it’s just ridiculous powerful “range off”
@Condoctuc
2 ай бұрын
Nah it feels a bit too much like a gimmicky afterthought, it’s like ‘we want swords and the cool culture that goes along with it-so let’s invent the technology that will force it to make sense’.. Kinetic energy is still a thing, a blast from a shotgun in our time would knock someone over, so someone with a gellar field being shot with a future advanced projectile weapon would still be thrown across a room.. And Dune still has lasers and other highly advanced technology! Theres no way you can just write away ranged small arm weaponry like that.. Halo does it best, it keeps melee weapons by making it so that they’re built of ‘energy’ (energy sword) or have some sort of other effect like the gravity hammer, along with the fact that energy shields exist which will deflect some range weapon fire so enables characters to get up close and personal to use (and keep relevant) melee weapons
@MegaKnight2012
2 ай бұрын
Herbert had it that the lasers hitting the shields was the equivalent of a nuke, so people mostly didn't fight like that, but there would still be some, like House Harkonnen would employ such dirty tactics. That means a lot of their warfare would be snipers hitting shielded targets, or melee fighters.
@azurebookllet9216
2 ай бұрын
Erm, even the second movie literally shows a laser being used to blow up a shielded target once. They just don't explain it at all, as usual, because moping about whether or not they should fulfil the prophecy for the 20th time is more important.
@user-sm4mi8ug9q
2 ай бұрын
@@MegaKnight2012I never read dune or anything before but if getting hit by laser turns your unit into a nuclear bomb then shouldnt more people be working on fixing that?
@kaelkirkby9191
2 ай бұрын
@@user-sm4mi8ug9q Well, the reason it blows up in the first place is that the shield takes the energy from attacks and uses that to power itself. Now when you fire a las weapon (the laser) at a shield, this causes an energy feedback loop which causes the explosion because it's absorbing too much energy too quickly. The explosion itself can vary in size from a hand grenade to a nuke.
@Ratatosly
2 ай бұрын
I'm a big fan of supersoldiers/power armor/mechs or whatever being capable of moving fast enough that most handheld projectile weapons or lower grade rocket type weapons just can't reliably hit them, so the best thing to do is have your own speedy boi run up and hit them with something.
@deathrex007
Ай бұрын
Same, some of my Ocs are pretty much super soldiers.
@ShinKyuubi
8 күн бұрын
I liked the justification for the Epyon mobile suit in Gundam Wing focusing on melee (even though it was a beam sword and heat whip) being that it's meant for the user to understand the true horrors of war. The creator Tres, felt that with guns being so impersonal and able to hit from a distance, the Epyon needed to be able to get in close fast and the only long ranged weapon it has is a puny set of vulcan machine guns in the head of the unit. By making the user and thus eventually more people have to fight up close and personal, the people would understand the futility and horrors of war and not want to fight anymore...least that's how I remember the reason behind it being the way it was.
@robertgray3710
29 күн бұрын
I mean if you hit hard enough anything will go down eventually. That’s Warframe logic at least
@diamonshade7484
28 күн бұрын
Big numbers go brrrr
@francobuzzetti9424
2 ай бұрын
the main justification for sword in sci-fi is that they look way cooler in that setting
@khahinmetameta7826
16 күн бұрын
The main peeve it's always Katana-aboos never broadsword or that big German Zweihänder.
@francobuzzetti9424
16 күн бұрын
@@khahinmetameta7826 IMO katanas are more easily stylized into sci-fi setting and yes i'd love more variety too!
@Broomer52
10 күн бұрын
@@khahinmetameta7826 rule of cool remains. Katana has the same mythical status as the revolver. Theirs plenty of weapons better than them but they look cool, are iconic, and so will always find a way to appear.
@BrightLord1823
10 күн бұрын
@@Broomer52and that's why we have characters that wield both, like in red steel on the Wii or rise of the ronin and Ishin like a dragon
@asherreclaimer5026
2 ай бұрын
The other consideration is as more technology goes into weaponry more vulnerabilities arise, both maintenence and durability issues, as well as the potential danger of emp or cyber attack, sometimes the biggest counter to high tech warfare is low tech warfare.
@MegaKnight2012
2 ай бұрын
Yes, that's why guerrilla warfare is so effective against large scale military forces
@andrewgreeb916
Ай бұрын
in cases where formal warfare doesn't work irregular warfare works. if smarter weapons fail dumber weapons succeed.
@Broomer52
10 күн бұрын
Theirs few things that are stab proof. They may have bullet proof armor but you can still shank them
@jo3y960
2 ай бұрын
Another justification is that the user itself has developed the ability to close the gap or do something else the sword conventionally wouldnt be able to do. Any type of "Sword wave" or way to reach the sword farther distances (Judgement cuts). Or maybe the user can move faster than arms fire. Etc
@EGRJ
2 ай бұрын
Just get the Blitz perk.
@dragon12234
2 ай бұрын
As they say: The viability of melee is determined by the likelyhood of surviving to reach it. Be it speed of armor, if you can survive getting into stabbing distance without being shot down by bullets, then yeah, melee would be viable
@Mkrause762
2 ай бұрын
You mean the bloodskal blade from Skyrim
@borntoclimb7116
2 ай бұрын
True
@crestothegecko6279
2 ай бұрын
Plus any psychic/mental enhancements to increase their reflexes and reaction speeds to deflect incoming fire. That seems to be a fairly common ability with sci fi. Sometimes they basically do it out of reflex without thinking. Looking at you warframe
@phil3751
2 ай бұрын
Simple, be a ninja, Either a robo ninja, like Commando droids and everyone from MGRS, or be a magic ninja, like sith, and eldar, or the best option, be a magic robo ninja, like the tenno
@MegaKnight2012
2 ай бұрын
But remember, guns were as much a part of ninja arsenal as swords, if not moreso. They'd carry a knife or short sword along with the guns, so yes, be a ninja. Have a diverse range of weapons.
@phil3751
2 ай бұрын
@@MegaKnight2012 Snake eyes would be proud
@Anonymous-hx3pu
Ай бұрын
@@MegaKnight2012 Be like the tenno, make everything a weapon. Even that piece of scrap metal that looks nothing like a weapon. 😊
@MegaKnight2012
Ай бұрын
@@phil3751 Exactly. Snake Eyes is a stellar ninja example
@MegaKnight2012
Ай бұрын
@@Anonymous-hx3pu Amen and Hallelujah, brother
@dragonbait1
2 ай бұрын
My favorite justification for swords is semi realistic spaceships and stations. Bullets can break important systems and breach the skin of the ship so people use swords and such to fight in these structures.
@MarcusVance
2 ай бұрын
I'm not so sure about that, because invaders probably don't care about destroying your vital systems. So the defenders would be at a severe disadvantage if they used swords.
@dragonbait1
2 ай бұрын
@@MarcusVance unless they want your ship/station for their own. Or at least defenders are less likely to use guns/beam weapons, and crossbows etc work weird with inertia
@MegaKnight2012
2 ай бұрын
Like mechs using melee tactics in urban warfare to minimize city damage
@taidghusflynnius
2 ай бұрын
I mean, I assume invaders would not want to accidentally break the life support haha @@MarcusVance
@paxarcana5811
2 ай бұрын
@@MarcusVanceI'm pretty sure any boarders wouldn't want decompression though. Breach the hull, that's what will happen.
@TAP7a
2 ай бұрын
My favourite is the 40k justification. Because psychic powers are real in the universe and everybody is at least psychically present, damage is increased by being dealt with personal and specific intent. Like sure a giant plasma cannon is going to work, but also one really angry dude with a chainsword is going to do a significant amount of damage, especially to anything Chaos-y
@genericscout5408
Ай бұрын
The melee weapons in 40k are specially designed to be extra deadly compared to real life counterparts, their basic knives are mono-molecular blades made of super alloy. powerful ranged weapons in 40k are expensive, but a knife that can do the same damage as a plasma pistol is cheaper than flak armor to produce. Granted only a space marine would reliably be able to pull that off. Damage done with intent is mostly a thing against Chaos and Orks. Otherwise it's just the super alloy that makes it hit harder than a rifle round.
@aliteralmoth2243
Ай бұрын
Except for the Untouchables with their -7 psyker rating. I find that bit of lore hilarious because their power is to just go Nu-uh to space magic.
@Broomer52
10 күн бұрын
@@aliteralmoth2243 funny enough something like that exists in The World of Darkness setting. The world is simultaneously dark and hilarious because Vampires, Ghosts, Wizards and a bunch of other things exist in our world. Just wandering around. The lore often takes a trip to Clown Town especially with Wizards. Everyone is latently magical but Wizards are people who have awakened to their power. However because of the latent Magical power everyone is enforcing a level of mundanity onto Wizards. In order to cast magic it has to be within the realms of believability. A Wizard could fly if he could convince people of it or he could shoot a bullet and have it ricochet wildly around a room and take out everyone. Because that’s a weird coincidence but not too hard to believe. Magic exists in the open as a manipulation of coincidence essentially. Back in the day when people were more superstitious Magic was so much easier to do. Despite all of this a fan animation where a Vampire Hunter was answering questions from his apprentice/ son in law and they talked about fighting a wizard Hunter: I’d punch them in the face, Wizards are nerds and easily punchable Son: oh so they’re easy to beat? Hunter: Oh no- Wizards are all powerful
@RayRayRayRayRayRay
2 ай бұрын
my favorite justification is that swords are cool
@jackwander6222
2 ай бұрын
Rock, paper, scissors rule. One beats by another and improved each one by working where one cuts, the other protects and lastly the one meant to break.
@CollinMcLean
2 ай бұрын
I like it because it doesn't treat technology as a sliding scale it acknowledge that technology emerges out of the pressures of the world building like organisms adapting to environmental changes. When armor spends so much time adapting to ballistics or energy weapons it might start to develop blind spots to melee weapons. Kevlar is better against modern firearms but it has vulnerabilities to sharp edged or pointed weapons. And the reverse for medieval plate armor.
@maximumcringelevel8617
Ай бұрын
Some vests (especially military ones) have extra steel plating for extra resistance against small caliber guns or decrease the effectiveness of incoming bullet. Not because we forget about melees duh.
@badart3204
Ай бұрын
@@maximumcringelevel8617those plates are typically rifle grade. Some are steel but due to spalling risk(shrapnel from bullet still hits you as it’s deflected) and weight ceramic plates are preferred. Both would definitely stop a sword though
@desolation2438
9 күн бұрын
@@badart3204 Yes, but you can't put that stuff anywhere that needs to flex. And if someone can (for whatever reason) disarm you for even a second, then they can just slide a blade between your ribs. Even if you kill them with a side arm afterwards your still pretty screwed if they were compotent and targeted a major blood vessel.
@truckmuncher8998
Ай бұрын
Thing about warframe is the Tenno basically just fucking magic and can do whatever they want
@saintco3pcs2m95
29 күн бұрын
Dune explained it best
@alpharius4819
2 ай бұрын
The justifications of different sci-fi universes for why melee is so important is very interesting. In dune, shield tech has gotten to the point that energy weapons are less than useless against them, they blow up both defender and attacker. 40k, orks, daemons, tyrannids, all these monsters will get close, having something to beat them in melee is a good idea.
@LordKore
2 ай бұрын
Depending on the universe it could be because melee is better than range. Warframe for example the teeno are WAY faster than a bullet so making a gun strong enough for them is more expensive than making a REALLY GOOD blade
@HonorableAssassins
2 ай бұрын
.... ......... The tenno are not faster than bullets. unless you count the ones literally teleporting
@Hiraeth010
2 ай бұрын
@@HonorableAssassinsah yes, the space warriors that can slow time by stomping really hard, cut through heavily armored soldiers with a sword, or bring back the dead can’t dodge bullets.
@Hiraeth010
2 ай бұрын
Without being pedantic, if you hold your melee weapons and you’re being shot at, they literally auto deflect when they’re being shot it. They treat it more like a reflex than anything. Warframe is the clearest example, even when you’re in space on an arc-wing you still carry a huge sword. It is expected that combat distance will be cut, no matter what.
@MarcusVance
2 ай бұрын
With super soldiers, melee makes sense because a gun can only flatline as many people as you have bullets. A super strong sword can go for longer (if used by supersoldiers who don't tire)
@nahuelferreyra
2 ай бұрын
Warframes are not faster than a bullet, being faster than a bullet means that you are watching the bullet move in slow motion, some of them are faster like volt and gauss but not all and even they are not that fast all the time, the same way that excalibur can't stomp the ground and slow time, and yes they can Block bullets but at no point we are shown they are faster than one(again volt and gauss are exceptions since that's their whole deal), just that they have the reaction to deflect some of them and we don't know the specifics of how they do it and how effective it is, if you take gameplay into acount it's not perfect, currently it's treated as they have and angle in front of them where they will be able to block anything and before that you were able to block everything from every angle but only blocked a percentage of the damage and it was changed for gameplay purposes so we don't know how it actually works, all of that are facts now this is how I see it, imagine a profesional player throws a baseball at you at full speed you are not faster than the ball but you know it's coming and with training you can react to it, to me it must be something similar to that but they only have to make contact with the bullet for it to shatter against their blabe plus their speed and they even have cybernetic enhancements that could tell them stuff like the trayectory, I have this reasoning because we have seen them both Block bullets and take cover from them, if they were actually way faster than bullets then there will be no need to do that and there would not even be need for range weapons.
@aclusterofgoats6909
Ай бұрын
The slow blade penetrates the shield.
@Hazel-xl8in
Ай бұрын
may thy knife chip and shatter
@indifferenthomosapien7673
2 ай бұрын
What I like about Warframe is that the Tenno are really the only ones that incorporate melee weapons into their main combat doctrines. The Grineer and Corpus melee are shock prods and machetes, tools repurposed as weapons in times of distress
@Kruppuchino
2 ай бұрын
Not to mention that the Grineer also have the Sheev. Which is basically a seatbelt cutter.
@_apple_juice_
2 ай бұрын
Besides maybe Duviri Paradox. But there are no enemies with guns there. Only bows (besides tge circut)
@Mesa-tr7kc
Ай бұрын
Isn't the reason they use swords because of sentients
@nightshade3115
Ай бұрын
@@Mesa-tr7kcyeah, sentients hack stuff so they went low tech with ballistics and blades
@Anonymous-hx3pu
Ай бұрын
@@nightshade3115 That and they're so fast that it's actually more dangerous for them to hit you with that sword than it is if they just shoot you. Excalibur mains go brrrrrrr
@Dream146
Ай бұрын
in fairness a tenno can hit you with the "nothing personal kid" from across a playing field
@brucehalden6148
2 ай бұрын
One series that gets melee weapons being the go-to option in Sci-Fi right is the Project Moon games, and that's because firearms are heavily restricted. They are heavily taxed and have design restrictions, like a size to caliber ratio. This stunts their development when compared to other weaponry, but they still have enough niche uses that there are fixer offices(mercenary companies) that are dedicated to fielding them, and several of the major corporations still use them, especially the militarized R Corp.
@RenArvos
Ай бұрын
Plus the fact that some ppl are powerful enough to either destroy bullets or just evade them, like Eileen
@mateipopa6343
2 ай бұрын
Often is that the swords beat the armour technologically like power swords that split anything at an atomic level or laser savers that just burn armour
@nicodemusedwards6931
2 ай бұрын
Technology has advanced so much that we’ve managed to do a complete 360 and returned to UgUg Times where pointy long thing do best.
@plzletmebefrank
24 күн бұрын
It doesn't do best. There are ammunition options and higher caliber firearms and explosives and plenty of other things. And it also depends on what armor we're talking about. Some are more cut/stab resistant. And even wearing the best armor, the only way you'd consistently take targets out with a melee weapon... Is by surprise.
@OziumG
2 ай бұрын
I like the way Dune went about it and its justification for bringing back sword fighting. Technology so good you need finesse to kill your opposition.
@cubexrath1718
2 ай бұрын
My favorite justification for swords in sci-fi is I like swords and want my space ninja to have one
@pheonixflame1568
2 ай бұрын
My favorite reason is that defense tech can advance and keep going, while guns and ranged weapons can't keep up, while melee weapons can be outfitted with tech specifically made to close the offense-defense gap, allowing the defenses to be penetrated. Its where ranged weapons cant close the distance but up close and personal does.
@RagingRaygun
2 ай бұрын
In a lot of sci fi what i see make melee weapons viable is usually cybernetic enhancements that make you faster than a bullet. (Cyberpunk and Metal Gear come to mind) If they can't shoot what they're aiming at, and you can close distance faster then any conventional round fired from a gun using a melee weapon, especially one that can cut virtually anything, would make a lot of sense.
@youtoob4life
2 ай бұрын
I always liked thinking that arming a soldier with a blade is cheaper than developing, producing, and maintaining a firearm and its ammunition capable of defeating armor in whatever universe and setting.
@videogameguy4215
2 ай бұрын
One of my favorite explanations came from Knights of the Old Republic. Both the Sith and Republic began deploying troops with energy resistant shields as a result nearly every soldier had to know some basic melee techniques. Melee is also a good option if you want a sure fire kill on an armored opponent like a Mandalorian or even a Stormtrooper.
@benjaminelgy3530
2 ай бұрын
One reason for swords would be if you're facing a robot/cyborg, if your score a direct hit with a gun only one part is damaged as such depending on the bullet size and redundancy that hit could not be critical. Where as if you have a way to make a sword viable you can do damage across a wider area increasing the chance that you either do enough damage the robot stops or hit something it doesn't have a spare off.
@plzletmebefrank
24 күн бұрын
... They have a ranged option to help deal with this. They're called explosive rounds. Also... How are you cutting through metal easily enough to justify this? I think a hammer or an axe makes a little sense, but a sword is... Weird.
@arushamshafeeq9428
2 ай бұрын
My favourite justification is "You're talking a lot of crap for someone within judgement cut distance"
@doctorvontacos4568
Ай бұрын
Warframes use melee not as a strategic reason but because of the raw strength behind their swings, and the orokin way of doing things
@plzletmebefrank
24 күн бұрын
I mean... If they output significantly more force that way... It is still kinda a strategic choice. A good punch already has about the same force as smaller military rifle calibers. A person with much greater physical strength and speed could definitely justify melee being a strategic choice imo.
@publiusii4246
2 ай бұрын
One of my favorite sci-fi tropes is when weapon versus armor arm race develops to a point where legacy weapons are now more effective against the new armor meta. Like in stargate when the energy beams vs energy fields of these super advanced races get no diffed by bullets. Or the mandalore versus the jedi. "Oh you can parry blaster bolts, good for you here parry some birdshot."
@mrziiz6893
Ай бұрын
Ah the good ole Vanguard!
@kurokaze511
2 ай бұрын
I like Majorkill's justification, if you are twice your opponents size and ten times as strong and as fast, well that doesn't actually help all that much if you're 100 yards away from each other in trenches. So Space Marines focus on melee because they know it's the area where their opponent is at a severe disadvantage.
@Dap1ssmonk
Ай бұрын
Major kill once again taking what arch said and repackaging it.
@kurokaze511
Ай бұрын
@@Dap1ssmonk Well you're not wrong. That was in Arch's chainswords video wasn't it?
@andrewchilds8886
2 ай бұрын
My favorite reasons for sci-fi and fantasy having melee weapons as a primary is that the person wielding the weapons can do more damage than any projectile. When you can slow time and your sword is faster than a bullet, hits harder, and scales with your physical strength which can throw large buildings, it’s going to do more damage than a gun. So either you use ranged weapons which scale off of your physical damage which each cost the budget of a small nation due to the expensive materials and fabrication needed or buy one weapon and just beat people with it
@alienated8113
Ай бұрын
"The slow blade penetrates the shield"
@OmegaChaosis
Ай бұрын
I'd just like to point out, that Warframes can make anything a weapon, considering they cut through the equivalent of space marines like they are butter.
@TrashCombine
2 ай бұрын
Warhammer 40k’s justification is a little fun being that “there’s just not enough bullets in the galaxy for some of these things”. Though it helps when the people most often seen using these weapons are superhumans with tank chassis for armor.
@Eagledude131
Ай бұрын
I quite like the cyberpunk reasoning of "I can quite literally move faster than a bullet and with more precision"
@bruhmoment3741
Ай бұрын
Fact: the main round used for penetrating armour on vehicles is most of the time a APFSDS round, wich is essentially just a tough arrow flying at like 1.7km /s. Crazy how even after 2 thousand years we are still using arrows to kill eachother.
@sinister2376
Ай бұрын
I like the idea that because solider would be fast enough to dodge bullets, there's really no need for a fire arm.
@ThatAfricanMan-ne5gi
Ай бұрын
It is true I worked for an advanced ballistic material manufacturer and we constantly were putting out new iterations to protect against new threats. One of the RnD guys was working on a composite plate that would stop lasers. It worked but failed the puncture test almost completely.
@supersonic4863
Ай бұрын
To be completely fair, even just throughout gun history this has been true. From ball and powder guns with some light leather and thin metals here and there, to proper ammunation and simplistic kevlar, to guns specifically made to deal with said kevlar, I.E. From the early smgs that struggle to deal with even light armor at medium distances to modern day pdws that can penetrate layers of kevlar at significant distances. I think no matter what, melee weapons will always be a backup, exactly like how bayonets were.
@Zawaito
Ай бұрын
Warframe's reason is pretty much "anything will work if you're a demigod"
@ThrashRats
Ай бұрын
These is my favourite way to promote melee as the main weaponry in your modern setting: From Project Moon: bullets and firearms are heavily taxed in the city. No workshop cares enough to handle the extra costs so there's no tech progress and the few that do sell them more as novelty than weapon.
@HellbirdIV
Ай бұрын
Dune still has the best justification by a mile, in my book. Shields are not just an elegant solution but one that comes with many additional story-possibilities, like the specifics of sword- and knife-fighting techniques meant to defeat shields, and the catastrophic interactions of shields and lasguns.
@thezaret639
Ай бұрын
love the use of 1995 warframe trailer
@pls_mesempai2198
Ай бұрын
War is an art, so choose the right instrument for the right time. Even a word can be a weapon...
@phoenicianprince4635
Ай бұрын
I really like the Razor from Red Rising, it's essentially a powerful and extremely durable Nano-Polyene blade that constantly keeps itself sharpened on a on a nano-molecular level and possibly even more precisely than that, possibly on top of that the blade vibrates at incredibly fast speeds and is chemical in nature with the ability to transform into a whip. This gives it a combination of crazy reach, versatility, and ability to penetrate both Pulse shielding and Power Armour.
@tayschrinngaming8002
2 ай бұрын
If you have to fight in the cramped confines of a spaceship, The close in brutal fighting would make a sword/axe back up weapon would be real useful
@labbit3574
2 ай бұрын
No matter how much we evolve, we still end up with swords because they’re just too good and cool to throw away
@Golemon_of_Cat
2 ай бұрын
My favourite is when the material of the weapon is so rare, that matching bullets and shells cost more than a sword.
@thezman9001
2 ай бұрын
Thats basically the entire logic of melee being a primary thing in Dune
@Dan-fw2db
2 ай бұрын
My favorite is, guns are loud, a sledgehammer to the back of the skull is relatively quiet
@DurtyDan
Ай бұрын
My justification for swords in my science fiction story: Swords are cool.
@borntoclimb7116
2 ай бұрын
Because is looks cool
@cogtheprotogen6671
2 ай бұрын
40k and warhammer in general does this so well
@nameless7139
Ай бұрын
I thought the reason why cyborgs in MGR use swords is because the majority of them move faster than bullets. That’s why they needed a weapon that they can effectively wield at super fast speeds; Since a sword is basically an extension of a cyborg’s arm, they can swing the sword as fast as they’re cybernetics would allow.
@aliteralmoth2243
Ай бұрын
One of my favorite instances of regression being super effective is the whole Mandolarians killing jedi with shotguns bit.
@Fylasfrommabi
Ай бұрын
Mass driver bow.
@MrWhangdoodles
Ай бұрын
That's just a bow.
@Fylasfrommabi
Ай бұрын
@@MrWhangdoodlesnot if the arrow gets fired at 0.4 C xD
@MrWhangdoodles
Ай бұрын
@@Fylasfrommabi Still wouldn't make sense. Newton's Third Law.
@Fylasfrommabi
Ай бұрын
@@MrWhangdoodlesdoesn't stipulate said reaction has to be the same impulse length or type of energy. Only that it equals the same force
@MrWhangdoodles
Ай бұрын
@Fylasfrommabi So, this scifi tech will somehow accelerate an arrow to 0.4c and there will be no recoil because the Ekin will be instantly converted to some other form of energy? Because that's ludicrous. I did some simple math and came to the conclusion that a 20g arrow, instantly accelerated to 0.4c, has a potential energy of arouns 300MJ, mega joules. That's the equivalent energy of +70ish kilos of TNT. 0.4c is low enough that there are barely any relativistic effects. What energy would you need to convert that into? What bullshit magical effects can "absorb" that? Hmm?
@coffeecartoons5345
2 ай бұрын
I love how Star Wars has Vibro blades, because it’s a lightsaber-like weapon that everyday people can use
@sirflappington2484
Ай бұрын
Remember, switching to your melee is faster than reloading.
@edb36mar
Ай бұрын
Cutting through a warframe with anything less then a damn plasma sword will take you a WHILE
@DEGRODANTONTHEINTERNET-uf8br
2 ай бұрын
The problem is that, in the past, ranged weapons were not as goot to penetrate armor, say what you want plate armor made you pretty much imortal to standard bows and some variations of crossbows, in the sci-fi, the armor may be just too good for standart energy weapons, and an average soldier could be magnitudes faster and more agile than now, so it would make sense for them to use melee weapons, where increased strengh and speed actually does something. In our time, however, guns and armor are in a wery close match, and thuss eliminating the need for melee.
@josiah.j2052
Ай бұрын
It’s kinda like the whole mandalorian thing “Oh you can deflect lasers with your mind, that’s cool, here’s some buckshot”
@TheHamerer
Ай бұрын
FTL had a mechanic like this. Ships had shields that would block all sorts of energy weapons but missiles would punch through.
@PromethiaSHADOW
2 ай бұрын
Plasma daggers, laser whips, vibro blades of different lengths metal blades with energy edges
@Uhaneole
Ай бұрын
I like Dunes take on it. Everyone is capable of wearing a force field stopping all high velocity impacts, requiring a “slow blade”
@thomasnewton6685
2 ай бұрын
Glorious melee is the only justification we need for the emperor protects
@christianconrad242
2 ай бұрын
Dune has a great system for this. Shields were developed that stopped bullets by stopping anything moving fast. So people started using blades again because they are slower and can get through the shields.
@JeancarlosRPerez
Ай бұрын
Shit man, why not go the Borderlands route and have a gun that shoots swords xD 😂 (Loved the Swordsplosion)
@leonidasxiv7881
8 күн бұрын
I like the idea of an operator using up the rest of his mags then saying f*ck it and pulling out a laser katana lol
@FGCVJ
14 күн бұрын
Dune definitely had the best explanation of bladed combat. The personal shields protected against ranged weapons, but when fired at by a laser weapon, the shields would ignite like nuclear bombs, and it was considered extremely illegal for any kind of nuclear detonation. So instead of doing away with the personal shield, they created dagger/blade combat system that would slow just enough to enter through personal shields. I thought Herbert did it best.
@VoltocityGEL
2 ай бұрын
I like the lore justification warframe gives for using bullets and swords when lasers and the like exist; it’s basically like the video explained, but taken to an extreme. adapting defenses leave weaknesses to older technology, which can then be improved upon to capitalize on that weakness. Then the reason some of the other factions use low tech weapons is largely because of a system wide dark age.
@braydenchadwick9836
2 ай бұрын
My favourite one has always been “in a world of fireballs or high tech guns, nobody expects the psycho with a sabre”
@royal-wolf
Ай бұрын
I feel the way they showed the energy shields in the Dune movies was perfect. Tech was so advanced that using old wrapons was tue only way to beat it
@thedomoking
2 ай бұрын
Star Wars:Knights of the Old Republic talked about this in the game. Energy shields that could stop blaster fire were becoming more easily available, and so melee weapons were seeing a resurgence.
@anosmia6279
Ай бұрын
Tech like the shield things in dune are a great example of armor that make melee viable
@ziolan8970
2 ай бұрын
I like the justification that in the futures, human ability has been augmented so far that swords are just as effective as guns and serve a different role.
@davidotoole2853
2 ай бұрын
I like how you put a pic of a space marine with a sword at the same time you said “shortsword” because we all know that sword is probably “5’2”
@thenecessaryevil2634
2 ай бұрын
Best one I heard was Forever War, where getting your suit punctured was lethal and the aliens had a device that disabled almost all technology. So swords and bows it was.
@crimsonpotemkin
2 ай бұрын
Kinetic, laser and plasma are the sci-fi rock paper scissors
@Surreal_E.X.
Ай бұрын
Dune had an amazing way of justifying it, they had armor that would stop anything moving fast, like a bullet but a blade could go slow enough to penetrate it
@user-rh3cl7nq3u
25 күн бұрын
My favorite reason is because it's badass
@rezaganjizadeh4263
Ай бұрын
"Shortsword" *shows a space marine wielding a greatsword*
@CaptainBonar
2 ай бұрын
This is why I love the combat in the Dune books (before Leto II banned shields in God Emperor). Shields block almost all projectiles and require skillful melee combat to get through, but when colliding with lasers they create an explosion rivaling that of atomic weapons that destroys the shielded target and the attackers. So lazguns are primarily used for utility purposes or against unshielded vehicles, while soldiers fight with melee weapons (or occasionally pistols but those are situational)
@draconicworkshop5679
Ай бұрын
One of my favorite settings tackles the swords over guns situation in an interesting way. Ammo has INCREADIBLEY high taxes on them, in some cases buying two magazines will run you more than that gun itself, it ends up being cheaper to just get good with a melee weapon of your choice than to buy and maintain a firearm. With the level of tech the setting uses (which tends to range from literal garbage, to reality warping singularities) most high-end combatants tend to be able to dodge or deflect bullets anyway, so it makes using guns more of a handicap than anything else.
@gantzllat
2 ай бұрын
Legend of the Galactic Heroes has that. A combination of both Superior armor and ship boarding becoming the norm as well as defensive measures against those boarding becoming more sophisticated eventually resulted in people bashing each other with poleaxes.
@alexalbaugh6972
Ай бұрын
This reminds me how bounty hunters used to use regular guns on Jedi, because the lead bullets would melt and splatter the jedi's face instead of reflect back at the shooters
@JessZomb
2 ай бұрын
I got it in my own sci-fi that there's a limit in weapon's technology when it comes to one faction's tech. The MC was an experimental orbital drop trooper where instead of a pod, the armour itself can withstand reentry. Downside, the needed protection to keep the weapons, either laser or ballistic, would cook off and be non-functional. So, since the armour itself it damn near indestructable, give 'em a melee weapon.
@Altsncro
Ай бұрын
Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans does this concept extremely well. Each mech has anti-laser weapon paint so they have high tech giant robots in space fighting with maces and hammers.
@sylvansmithy5262
Ай бұрын
My favorite is in totalitarian regimes where they have microphones listening for gunshots, so you adapt.
@leodhasw-s3739
2 ай бұрын
Please do a full length video on this!!!
@sum1wholuvsmen913
2 ай бұрын
Dune has one of the best justification
@airless8310
Ай бұрын
One idea that I think could work is that healing abilities are so enhanced that a small hole won’t work so ground troops have to use swords to sever or largely cut an area
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