Thanks for watching! What did you think of channel strip plugins? Am I off my rocker? Let me know in the comments below!
@AmagrasMUSIC
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely off your rocker 👍👍
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@AmagrasMUSIC
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios channel strips are actually limited on purpose, that’s what I like about them.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@AmagrasMUSIC Makes sense. I tend to stick to my 2-4 favourite EQ and compressors, even after installing every plugin ever created! Limitations are good.
@AmagrasMUSIC
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios I’m new to your channel, what’s your go to eq and compressor? I can put myself In your place because most of the time I just get away with one band eq and stock compressor 😁
@JordanMeyer
Жыл бұрын
I never used channel strips my entire career (nearing 20 years) until Michael Brauer (god) mentioned using an SSL9000j on “every session.” I bought it , and absolutely loveee it. Really adds so much excitement and presence. Very useful. However , I respect the video here. Truth be told , we all have our own methods. None are right or wrong. No rules. It’s all about the results ! 🎶
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Well said, my friend! Yes, if you find the SSL9000j works for you, then rock that thang! Haha. I assume we're talking about the brainworx SSL?
@JordanMeyer
Жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios precisely!! They had a sale so I grabbed it! I was formerly, exclusively using UAD/ Waves , but I’m expanding my horizons. Found myself getting too comfortable with my creative process and looking to continue evolving. I really like the plugin alliance/ Brainworx stuff so far. Turns out UAD/Waves are not the only developer that can make good stuff lol.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
@@JordanMeyer Oh man, brainworx have been killing it for years. I remember when their stuff came out in the early 2000s; mostly targeted at mastering professionals. You could tell they knew their stuff. Now it's great that their stuff is more accessible now via Plugin Alliance. Their guitar and bass amps are very underrated, too. Highly recommend! Maybe I'll try a whole mix with the SSL and see what happens; see if I hear the magic. Cheers!
@danielburns4483
4 ай бұрын
Oh hell yeah dude, I live and die by the bx SSL9000J. Absolutely nothing else can beat it, it changed the game for me. I think it really thrives in the digital world because it was originally built to sound as close to digital as analog would get-- "the Superanalogue" thing. I think it has the most useful default placements on the EQ, and the compressor gives you just enough options to be flexible, but not too many to overwhelm if you are trying to move quickly and not overthink it. I've got it all over my current sessions. The high and low pass filter is a secret weapon as well. I think analog emulating high and low pass filters are very forgiving sonically. There's a lot of smart intentionality to the 9000J.
@BukanIbuMu
2 ай бұрын
The 9000J sounds good but I don't understand why they can't turn off the hiss even when the V-Gain is all the way down. @@danielburns4483
@eduardokusdra
Жыл бұрын
This dude is kind of funny… Bypass-ability??? What in the hell was that?? LOL LOL… He must be one of the greatest mixers in the world! By the way he speaks, it seems he’s mixing tons of songs for his clients… The part where he shows the Lindell was THE most funny in this video… I’m gonna stop using channel strips from now on…lol… Anyway…
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Burn. Ya got me! Cheers.
@sinnersrisemusic
2 жыл бұрын
Hey man. So I think you might be missing the point of newer channel strips (SSL Channel, Scheps Omni, etc). I noticed that when you were using the SSL channel, you had the Analog switch in the off position. This bypasses the analog modeling (the actual modeling of the hardware that was done to create the plugin) and gives you a clean digital signal, which doesn't give you the characteristic sound of the plugin. If you were to, say, clean up your track and do your EQ cutting beforehand, maybe some Soothe, and then use an SSL Channel with the analog switch on, boost the EQ hard into its own compressor (by selecting the CH OUT in the dynamics section), you'll have it acting as your "color" plugin rather than trying to make it work as an all in one. These are meant to give you the sound of the consoles that they've been modeled after, and they really accomplish that well if you know how to use them.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the response! I hear you there. For the record, I use Sonimus Satson Channel & Bus on all my mixes, for the subtle console flavour. Again, for me, it's a single insert that I can easily see and bypass, without loading a whole compressor and EQ. But if you are looking for a very specific, well-done analog crosstalk/noise modelling, then something like the Lindell or SSL is a great choice! I appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
@timhewitt32
2 жыл бұрын
Moving from the SSL-XL to mixing entirely in the box, I find the SSL flavor channel strips to be highly valuable. I'm currently using the CLA Mix Hub as I find the character and capabilities to be spot-on. You can certainly mix without them, but properly used, the proper channel strip is pure gold.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
For sure. if anyone finds the sound/workflow works for them, who am I to disagree? And it's funny, because CLA Mix Hub brings a lot of value with its included effects, and can null against the new EV2. Plus you get the neat bucket system (which I need to try out sometime)
@timhewitt32
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios I really like the bucket system. It's worth playing with to see if it fits your workflow. The strip is very easy on resources as well and can easily go on all 60 tracks with just a medium powered computer.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@timhewitt32 Good! I would have been surprised if it ate up resources. It has to be lean and able to run on all tracks. And I assume the 1176s are the same CLA ones that have always been extremely light. I could probably run a million of those on my iMac! I'll definitely check out the bucket system soon, might be a fun video!
@tru_mindbeats3782
2 жыл бұрын
Can you use channel strip on master mixer channel
@vycashh
Жыл бұрын
Parece que solo tú piensas así, porque los comentarios es todo lo contrario a lo que dice el video.
@sirvaant
17 күн бұрын
The SSL 4kb recently impressed my me, I ran my rap vocals through my normal slate digital chain, thought they sounded really good and thought I would run them through the 4K channel strip. I was impressed on the de easer In the compressor mode, cleaned up the high-end really good, apply the other bells and whistles via saturation, and it really put the final polish on them vocals, really good warm analog feel. New staple in my chain!
@palebluedotstudios
14 күн бұрын
Hey, that's great! I really love the new SSL de-esser. But I think you mean the de-esser that's in the channel strip. I haven't really tested that one, I'll check it out! Cheers.
@sirvaant
14 күн бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios yes the one that’s in the channel strip
@palebluedotstudios
14 күн бұрын
@@sirvaant Copy that. I'll check it out!
@sativaviolet
2 ай бұрын
. Genius, you turn the big red dial that's called DRIVE,,
@jawneetest
2 жыл бұрын
a dynamic EQ and a Channel ar two different things ... if you didn't know the function of each and why they are different and when you should be using one over the other, then you shouldn't be making this video
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
I would never conflate dynamic EQ with a channel strip. Pardon me if you got that impression. I discussed dynamic and EQ sections of channel strips, but dynamic EQ was definitely not a subject for this video. Thanks for your feedback!
@jawneetest
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios conflate is an interesting choice of words, but regardless a dynamic eq is "mojo-less" and transparent, where as a channel eg is simulating the "curves/Q's of the EQ in the channel. An API eq for instance might be considered 'snappy" because when the signal/vibrations/ frequencies/electrical impilse run through the circuitry, the eq will 'excite' the signal/note your playing or singing. So this EFFECTs the sound of the original signal and fuks with the phasing... in analog its more of a pleasing thing, because there is a back wall so to speak nd the micro randomness of all the analog units in tandum create more of a natural flavor I would say. THATS WHY simulated channel eq suk my man.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@jawneetest Right, I hear you there. So you're saying channel strips suck because they can't replicate that real analog signal behaviour. Personally I stick with flexible, well-designed digital EQs because they're all the same. I just look for the best features/workflow. I can simply adjust the curves or add saturation as I please and I'm not stuck with a half-assed analog model. Cheers!
@matt_nyc_audioengineer
2 жыл бұрын
Why would you not want to use oversampling on a compressor in a channel strip? Compressors produce harmonics as well.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
That's a great point! Depending on the compressor, and the amount of compression, you could reduce enharmonic content with oversampling. But if you're using a gate, or a (clean) EQ, you don't really need it. Inserting these plugins individually, in my DAW chain, allows me to control oversampling per-effect. With most channel strips it's all or nothing. Unless you insert another channel strip? haha. But you make an excellent point. Cheers!
@user-vd3if4wq6m
Ай бұрын
...maybe the one your using isnt good. SSL Channelstrip#2 is pretty bad ass!! ....saying channel strips suck is like saying broad strokes suck. Channel strips are great for shaping / cleaning up real quick etc etc. Especially SSL with its zero latency. I have the SSL/Channelstrip2 as DEFAULT for my new audio tracks. Also you say "cause I cant bypass each section..." This isnt true, each section of the channel strip can be turned off/on, and on top off that you can re-arrange there order + setup sidechain routings etc etc. ...sounds like your just going off on a rant, cause alot of the things your complaining about just are-not true. I used to feel the same way until I set ssl as my default and just use what i need then forget it...going back later re-adjusting before printing/flattening etc. All about shaping the sound/groove (w ears) rather than focusing on all these details. I really dont get this video....find one you like
@palebluedotstudios
Ай бұрын
Yes, you're right: I am going off in a bit of a rant! I think your points are very valid, and they make me think. I'll just say that my point about bypassing each section is more about being able to bypass them IN THE MIXER, without opening a single container interface, THEN bypassing sections. It's just how I prefer to work. But if that plugin sounds great, then is IS great. I still use Slate quite often. Cheers!
@MrSkyTown
Жыл бұрын
I’m sort of mixed on this, I get overwhelmed at times going through my plugins folder, sometimes I spend time trying to choose the right eq or compression because I have so many. The channel strips help to just ease my mind, i know they are limited but I find they help you to focus sometimes. However I like to use channel strips that have features I need or would like to use to mix, it’s obviously not the only plugin in use but it’s a good first line of defence on a track. They can be very useful.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Good call. My stance always is: if people find it simpler and easy to use, then I would never oppose that. I just like to pick my favorite separates and stick with them. But it is nice to have your tools all in one place, for sure! Thanks for watching!
@djkillertomatotv
2 жыл бұрын
Slate need to break their plugs out of the VMR so you can easily use them, a bit like how Kilohearts plugs work in Snap heap, or individually.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Yeah, that would be super cool; Khz-style! Cheers!
@NikolausBrocke
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. The mouse operation of hardware GUIs is often a disaster. I don't understand why plugin designers create software and expect operating it like hardware units?! One is to be operated with a mouse and the others with two hands (and ten fingers). This is called "ergonomics"!
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
You get it, my friend; you get it. :)
@smujohnson
Ай бұрын
Keep in mind that someone who mixed with a Lindell in the early 70’s is going to know right away how to use it. SSL is easier and I can see you using the Waves one so at least you’ve given it a fair shot. In a dew decades, that generation will be gone, and the Grandpa Simpson meme will be “back in my day we used Fruity Parametric EQ2…”
@palebluedotstudios
Ай бұрын
Hahaha, I love that: "Man Yells at Channel Strip Cloud"!
@smujohnson
Ай бұрын
I bought some channel strips and am having fun learning on them, but I’m going to play with some graphical EQs too. Thanks for showing how god awful Lindell’s UI is… haha. That looks painful.
@palebluedotstudios
Ай бұрын
Cheers, my friend! Thanks so much for watching and engaging; I'm loving your comments and questions.
@doubleaceprod
3 ай бұрын
I understand that you want control but that may not be everybody's goal. Sometimes the goal is efficiency. I wish FL studio had a channel strip so I don't have to pull up a separate plug-in. I enjoy Luna for that reason. Not control, efficiency. I don't need to pull up 4 different plugins when I can just use one and get results. Plus it's slightly less CPU intensive (depending on which one you use). Nowadays I go for a stock parametric EQ for subtractive EQ then SSL native channel strip. Usually, I get good results faster because the extra controls distract me from what I was trying to do lol ... Keep up the informative content tho💪🏿
@palebluedotstudios
3 ай бұрын
Thanks my friend! I'm going to tackle analog compressors next! Stay tuned! And you make great points. I hear Luna is great for that minimal, classic console vibe. I'll have to get around to that soon. Cheers!
@TheSecondNature
3 ай бұрын
wow, I don't usually disagree with all the points one makes during a video, but in this case it happened. every stance is so debatable! to each his own I guess...
@palebluedotstudios
3 ай бұрын
That's cool! This video is VERY subjective, even more so than my "Why I Don't Buy Analog EQs" video. It's really just my experience; I was curious why I simply never used channel strips anymore and I wanted to interrogate that. Cheers!
@TheSecondNature
3 ай бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios absolutely. it's just that since channel strips are such an integral part of my mixing process, I couldn't help but wince at some of the takes here. but respect nonetheless
@palebluedotstudios
3 ай бұрын
@@TheSecondNature Hard not to wince when people challenge our personal preferences, but I love the friendly, professional discourse. Cheers!
@user-vd3if4wq6m
Ай бұрын
Dude....this video is just a Rant. Read the manual before you complain about things. Dont be a hater. Boooo Whoooooo
@palebluedotstudios
Ай бұрын
Valid. For me, this video was more about exploring why I neglect and simply don't use channel strips, over the years. Whether you buy my rationales or not, that's another thing. Thanks for watching!
@dannydaniel1234
2 жыл бұрын
All plugins suck. If its not analog, its anawrong
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha. Quote of the year!
@Breakstuff5050
14 күн бұрын
Other than the analog saturation, i just wanna learn analog gear and how to use them. If i walk into a studio i wanna know whats what. Plus, learning to mix by ear is a skill i need to learn. I love fab filter, but i easily get distracted by what the compressor looks like its doing rather than listening for what its doing. With that being said, its going to take alot of time and energy to learn all this gear and how to use it. Its hard to beat fabfilters ease of use
@palebluedotstudios
14 күн бұрын
That's an interesting angle I haven't heard before. Yes, these emulations could come in handy if/when you come face-to-face with a real unit. I know I'd be able to use a Fairchild-and know what to expect-because I've use emus. And that's always a good point about graphics-based EQs like FabFilter; there is a tendency to mix with your eyes. Always good to keep that in mind. Great points! Cheers.
@HR2635
2 ай бұрын
good points.. I actually use channelstrips, but often only use the preamp and compressor sections. Cause the EQ I rather do myself and control the oversampling.. oversampling EQ makes absolutely no sense unless it does saturation, which Id rather have in a separate plugin.
@palebluedotstudios
Ай бұрын
Oh yes, certainly no need to oversample a standard equalizer. And yes, if you like the sound of (or just like) your channel strip plugin, who am I to disagree? Cheers!
@thefishbowlstudio
2 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day what ever works for you works , no one will care if you used a channel strip or created your own chain of plugins , if it sounds good it is good. What su ks for one will absolutely rock for another. Knowing your gear inside out.. plugin or hardware .. way more important
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
I agree! It can be fun for us audio guys to debate the fine points, but at the end of the day, if you know how to make a good mix, the listener does not care! Thanks for watching!
@lightafluident.9950
2 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@socksincrocks4421
5 ай бұрын
All pointless points. Seriously, it's like someone at work who complains about the smallest of things. We live in an amazing time where we have any tool at our disposal for mixing in the box. Here is a novel idea, if you don't like the tool, DON'T USE IT, but don't make a video about trivial things.
@palebluedotstudios
4 ай бұрын
A pointed response! I guess you won't like my upcoming video about how I don't use analog-modelled EQs! 😆 Thanks for watching and commenting, cheers.
@potsandjacks
Ай бұрын
The knobs are backwards that way because when your sitting in front of a classic mixing desk you look at the front of the knob not the top. People who are use to the desk will be accustomed to the plug in. That being the case its drives be totally bonkers lol
@palebluedotstudios
14 күн бұрын
Haha, yes, exactly: makes sense to people who've used them, and are awkward for those who haven't. For me, it's like, why would I want to adpot this design paradigm if it's not necessary? But no ill will to those who enjoy it. It's just not for me and my brain. Cheers!
@whataniceday
Жыл бұрын
Sorry man, but this one is really bullshit. You insert Neve emulation strip but have no idea how Neve knobs work. But conclusion is - strip is too difficult to use without manual.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
When I watch this back, I think the way I framed that section could have been a bit more clear. My intention was to show that, if you're not familiar with that specific console, and you're using a mouse, that a vintage channel strip like this can be confusing. For me, the biggest issue is memory impact: while I'm mixing I'm probably going to forget which sections of the strip I used or didn't use on a track, then I have to open it up and scan the modules to verify what's on or off (gate, compressor, etc). Now, if I had something like Softube Console 1, then it would be different. I find I just avoid channel strips, and I wanted to interrogate that and open a conversation about why that is. Thanks for you feedback! Cheers!
@whataniceday
Жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios I see your point. It is pretty subjective. I for instance prefer strip. If I use one strip model over all tracks and I know it well, there is no hassle. For 50 tracks I use 55-60 plugins instead of 200+. Every better strip allows me to adjust signal flow, CPU and RAM footprint is much lower. I also prefer using my ears, I do not like curves and all that visual smog.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
@@whataniceday Absolutely excellent point there: a vintage EQ can encourage you to use your ears instead of looking at a cool GUI, like FabFilter. One of my favourite EQs is the free BlindFold EQ from AudioThing, which gives you 4 bands with no labels. You have to use your ears, and that's a very important factor from classic mixing techniques. So I totally agree with you. Cheers!
@esahm373
5 ай бұрын
You could easily make the counter argument: channelstrips allow to focus on mixing as opposed to spending finite cognitive power on choosing the right individual modules for thr task browsing through huge plugin collections. There is also the advantage of consistency and knowing your tools in and out. Ultimately its a preference. Personally i use individial eqs, comps etc. because I'm used to that workflow I agree on the Plugin Alliance channelstrips being awfully designed though.
@palebluedotstudios
5 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you. Limitations are good, but even better is choosing one tool and learning it inside-out, instead of hoping some analog-emulated channel strip will make your mixes "sound better". I just like to see what my separate processors are doing. Cheers, and thanks for watching and commenting!
@willemmoller6736
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but please figure out what you're doing before using something like the Lindell 80 as an example to prove your point . . . you have the EQ bands switched off, of course nothing will happen when you boost or cut. Select a frequency band then try again. The compressor and gate modules are on, did you want them on? You can bypass any of the modules with one click. On most channel strips you can switch the order of the modules around any way you wish with a move or 2. The Lindell 80 is an emulation of a 70s Neve console and works pretty much like the hardware did, and for certain kinds of music (not all) it's a fantastic tool. On most channel strips you can switch the order of the modules around any way you wish with a move or 2. Each to his own, if you prefer mixing using individual plugins that's cool, but the way you demonstrate this it's hard to take you seriously . . .
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your feedback. I will add that it was my first time using the Lindell, and my main point was: it's not very intuitive compared to individual plugins like FabFilter, et al. This has nothing to do with the sound, features, or analog-modelling accuracy. It's more about user experience and memory fatigue. This is of course my experience, and I'm totally happy if you and others enjoy channel strips! I just keep not using them (even when I like them) and I wanted to question why that was. Thanks for watching!
@keithferris9574
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios yeah your demonstration of the Lindell was not supportive of the idea that it hurts workflow if you take zero seconds to figure out how it works. We as engineers are presumed to have musical and technical understanding, so just saying, "see this thing is doing nothing" undercuts the whole field you are in. I would bet that you would probably get proficient at these strips and probably greatly benefit your mixes if you tried. That's not me saying that you should or shouldn't use them, but you don't really put forth a sound argument as to why they're not useful.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@keithferris9574 Some other people have left similar comments, and I think I could've been more clear about that point. My point with that demonstration is that as a first-timer using some of these channel strip plugins, they can be obtuse and counterintuitive, and you need to waste time figuring things out. Whereas if any engineer opened up, say, FabFilter Pro-Q or a stock EQ plugin, they would know what to do immediately and get to mixing. It's just more memory fatigue instead of mixing. Again, this isn't even about the quality of the plugin's sound or anything. Just the little things that lead me to ignore channel strips. Thanks for your feedback!
@hjorte.
2 жыл бұрын
Mix decision fatigue... nice one! I don't like channel strip plug-ins either. Good points you make. Also, many of them are graphically crowded and busy looking, have smaller text and knobs and all of it crammed together to fit the available space.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
That's a really good point! I find myself often wasting time, scanning these interfaces with, as you say, tiny fonts. And wondering which way to turn knobs. No thanks! And thanks for watching!
@greedokenobi3855
2 жыл бұрын
100% agreed!
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@greedokenobi3855 Awesome! I just can't get into them. Thanks for watching!
@pedrobossio5440
8 ай бұрын
Channel strips are not the most convenient work flow but bring invaluable color and character to the mix or even tracking. There's nothing out there, and I looked, that produces the sound of those transformers from the Focusrite Forte Console, except for the emulation from Brainworks. Take the Helios 69, that is a unique sound and characteristic inaccessible to individual plugins. If workflow is your thing and there's a problem following your mix plan, then consoles and strips are not for you and that's understandable. But they don't suck.
@palebluedotstudios
7 ай бұрын
Well-said! I suppose my title could be tad clickbait-y, but I'm merely relating my experience. If you love the sound of certain plugins, and they sound like the hardware that you're clearly experienced with, then who am I to disagree? Personally, I've just grown more dubious of "analog" plugins, the older I get. But that's just my experience. Love the comments, thanks so much for watching! Cheers!
@paulcanz
6 ай бұрын
Yes I had slate it was heavy for my PC I more recently boot from an SSD but I have so many plugins now that I wouldn’t need a subscription, although slate is one of the best , various plugins do that you need to do trial a error Like waves SSL strips aren’t to bad not sure about my plugin alliance ones , Softube seems a bit heavy, and there’s so many more . Need to record more finish up some songs and find out lol . Thanks have fun !
@palebluedotstudios
6 ай бұрын
Hey thanks for watching, and sharing your opinion! I hear you: we all have so many plugins now, do we even need dedicated channels strips (that might be heavier on CPU anyway). But you're right: let's get out there and finish some tracks with the tools we have! Cheers!
@cholkymilkmirage4984
Жыл бұрын
what tf are these reasonings omg lol
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Haha. Very much my own reasonings, my friend! I wanted to reflect on why I never use channel strips, even when they're of amazing quality. It's been fun to create a healthy debate around that and get peoples' perspectives. Cheers!
@hybrydsanity5857
6 ай бұрын
I have a ton of them and spent good money on them ( all likely on sale ) but I don't really have any particular channel strip as a go to plug-in , but I'm sure they could sound pretty good, I worry about CPU if I were to use them across the mix like it's partially intended for . Ii think about using them all mixed up using various ones that should be an interesting way to get analogue variation from digital plugins lol.
@palebluedotstudios
6 ай бұрын
Hey, why not? Give it a try! As for CPU use, that is a concern with some plugins. For example, even though Slate Virtual Mix Rack is mostly just standard compression and EQ, I can't run as many instances of VMR on my mix as, say, FabFilter EQ and compression (which I can use a literally unlimited amount!); so that's something. Thanks for watching!
@OpusLoveProductions
6 ай бұрын
I use Schepps Omni Strip. All or any part can be bypassed, the order switched around and the new one will insert 3rd party plug ins.. All on a window that fits on your screen. It's been very useful for me and has none of the drawbacks mentioned in this video.
@palebluedotstudios
6 ай бұрын
Schepps has to be by far the most popular response I get to my channel strip issues. I LOVED the sound of Schepps, and I've used it a few times, but again, thanks to the all-in-one paradigm, I tend to forget about it! Purely my experience, but I totally agree that it's flexible and addresses the issues I noted. Cheers!
@JohnSk82
4 ай бұрын
You don't need channel strips in it's current form you're right BUT to achieve an analog coherent sound you need at least something like sonimus plugins to all channels or busses.
@palebluedotstudios
3 ай бұрын
I would push back a bit on the idea that the only way you can achieve a coherent analog sound is via some type of console emulation...think about it: almost every LP mixed in Pro Tools from the late 80s to the 2000s was mixed without Sonimus or anything like that. Do they sound "cold"? I don't think so... And I'm glad you mentioned Sonimus! He is a real pioneer in the console department! I've owned Satson since it came out, and I used to use it in every mix, but I've backed off a bit lately. I still use it as my standard VU meter for gainstaging, though!
@MikeVincentVO
Жыл бұрын
I’ll go against the grain on this - Waves Shepps Omni Channel is a game changer - and you can bypass any of the separate entities at any time. Not only that - I can move the chain around - compression before EQ or after, saturation before or after EQ, the list goes on.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Great! Yes, I've had many viewers push back on the Shepps Channel, and I totally hear you. The only way it fails my personal test is that you still have modules all included in one interface, which you need to remember if you used EQ, compression, saturation, etc. But I do love the sound and modularity of Omni Channel! Cheers!
@bumblebee4000
Ай бұрын
Try TBProAudio CS-5501 V2. And read the manual.
@palebluedotstudios
Ай бұрын
Cheers. Yeah, that's a great company. I believe I tried it out, but I'll revisit it. Thanks!
@bakharandi
5 ай бұрын
That Lindell 80 is Amazing on Low mids through High mids . . . ! . . . 🙂 (-;
@palebluedotstudios
5 ай бұрын
Is it? I'll have to run it through Plugin Doctor to see what it's doing...I'm making a video on analog EQ models soon; stay tuned for my results. Cheers!
@大野靖男
9 ай бұрын
The reason why we use ridiculous GUI is because it is convenient for the developers. They just want to increase business opportunities by providing many similar variations.
@palebluedotstudios
9 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm sure they know that realistic, analog GUI's sell, because we think we're getting something special and vintage. Always happy for those who love them, but it's not for me. Thanks for watching, cheers!
@LeGaLdeadparliament
8 ай бұрын
I am kinda lazy in terms of channel strip usage, so I'm either using the ready-to-use presets or the separate modules of them - only an EQ, compressor, preamp etc.
@palebluedotstudios
7 ай бұрын
That's a good point; a good channel strip can great for loading a preset and tweaking. If you like that sound, then just go with it, and all the controls are there. I dig it. Cheers!
@imremozsik1012
2 жыл бұрын
Channel strips, like all other decent plugins have user manuals that should be read before or during first use, then you don"t have to guess anything...lame vid, sorry. I"m not for or against channel strips, but you don"t convince me not to use one if you yourself haven"t taken the time to experiment with the most common one"s. The Lindell 80 is an excellent one for exaple...
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
No worries. The Lindell does sound good, it's just my specific experience. Thanks for watching!
@XDosShane
2 жыл бұрын
That's your opinion and I respect it, but I love using channel strips in the box
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
And I respect yours! This is purely my experience with channel strips. Cheers!
@chinmeysway
5 ай бұрын
might be interesting/ useful to compare which way sounds better / how the sound varies using say 3 separate ones vs ch strip w a similar 3 components
@palebluedotstudios
5 ай бұрын
That’s a great idea for a follow-up. It’s been a couple years now, I’d love to revisit the issue. Cheers!
@milmar_echoes
Жыл бұрын
schoeps Omni channel u can do that, bypass modules, even rearrange them u safe like 4 insert points in your daw, plus the plugin can host plugins….
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Good call! I forgot Scheps could load other plugins too. I guess I would counter that loading other plugins inside another plugin creates an extra hidden layer, but that is typical of any plugin chainer, like StudioRack, with I use all the time. Cheers!
@paulharrison5674
2 жыл бұрын
I find channel strips useful at the recording stage. in my small home studio I cannot get perfect sound even after treating the room so I often use channel strips to improve the sound, it helps with comparison of the overall mix. When mixing down I will use more selective processing.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
That's cool, makes a lot of sense to use them to get a certain analog sound you like, then mix from there. Then you don't have to keep track of their purpose as much. Thanks for watching!
@soundsfromYYBY
7 ай бұрын
Recording is the perfect spot
@johnsnyder4949
2 жыл бұрын
i love your content and really appreciate your channel....i know im gettin gin on this video late but i have 2 words...or is it one i dont know..i was never a fasn of this company until recently but......console 1 .....it can change everything
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Never too late! And thanks for the kind words-that means a lot! I've had a few viewers recommend Console 1, and with good reason. If you have Console 1, then the channel strips become TACTILE again, and you're not clicking around on a design that was never meant for a computer mouse. I will definitely pick one up, one day. I'm also looking the Steinberg CC controllers for Cubase. Anyway, thanks so much! New content coming out soon!
@malcolmfrancis4543
2 жыл бұрын
You had me until the Neves. You don't know how to use the most classic EQ ever made? That felt forced for point. But i get what you're saying. Mix fatigue is real.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
I hear you. I've actually never used the Neve EQs, so my confusion is genuine. For me, the learning curve isn't enough to warrant shelling out for a channel strip for a digital modelled EQ. But that's just me! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@brianmac8260
2 жыл бұрын
I must admit even as a hobbyist I know how it works. I use ddmf's The Strip pre-fx on all my home recordings in Reaper. And if I like something in the mix, I just print a stem, then mute and offline all the plugins on the parent track and hide it in the TCP and Mixer, freeing up system resources, and no eye cancer from 100 Plugins.
@JohnFraserFindlay
3 ай бұрын
I commend u ..that one I tried. But crikes .. futzy is right
@palebluedotstudios
3 ай бұрын
Cheers! I definitely wasn't for me.
@Bmarr33
Жыл бұрын
I was with you until you started complaining about the knobs on a Neve. It just comes off as a petty concern. You really didn't need to go there as it's everyones right to enjoy their own way of working and I respected your opinion until it took a turn.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
I hear you. I've had a lot of feedback on that section, and I think I may have oversold the confusion part. I wanted to make the point that many of these channel interfaces are based off old designs that worked well in analog studios, but are often a pain in the digital world. I appreciate your comments! Thanks for watching. Cheers!
@Amusiastudio
7 ай бұрын
Yeah man. it's not the plugins, its you
@palebluedotstudios
6 ай бұрын
Totally valid. ;)
@jimorgain63
11 ай бұрын
man, just listening , it just sounds like a basic filter sweep or shelf, could be one orctwo knobs
@palebluedotstudios
10 ай бұрын
Agreed. Cheers!
@NoQualmsTheArtist
2 жыл бұрын
I love Console 1 and that's a channel strip. I like SSL channel strips because I used to mix on their consoles many moons ago. I would probably like an Audient channel strip, if anyone made one, for the same reason. I like Neve 1073 EQs for the muscle memory of using the hardware. So I guess I like analog emulations of gear I've actually used, as there is no learning curve, and it has familiarity and muscles memory. But I prefer modern interfaces for new things and new concepts. Each has a place.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
For sure. If you have experience with the originals, or own Console 1, that makes them even more viable. I have experience on consoles, but that was a loooong time ago, haha. Again, if they work for anyone else, I'm all for it! Thanks for watching!
@petefaders
3 ай бұрын
I mix for a living. Channel strips are more efficient. I can do the job of 5 plugins in Waves Omni faster and it sounds good. Depends on what you're going for and how much time you want to spend on things...but it's crazy to not use them ever.
@palebluedotstudios
3 ай бұрын
I hear you. If it optimizes your workflow, then it IS good. I think the main thing for me is that I don't see what separate effects I'm using right away.
@petefaders
3 ай бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios I don't understand. what can't you see? It's all laid out, nothing is hidden. It's basically a bunch of plugins in one, usually doing nothing until you turn a knob. I don't get what you're saying.
@palebluedotstudios
3 ай бұрын
@@petefaders I tried to explain it in the video. When I use my own inserts, I can see the plugin's in the effects rack of my DAW at a quick glance, and I can re-order them, without opening a secondary container interface. I can also see exactly what's been bypassed or not, and change effects on the fly. I just find it an extra step to open a channel strip to do this.
@jielin3945
2 жыл бұрын
Ok. No disrespectful, I just know how to using a channel strip and get it sound as clean as in box. 🤧
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
I would agree with that. Especially since most channel strips are just standard digital compressors and EQs with tweaks to try to match the original. Thanks for watching!
@newmansibisi4250
2 жыл бұрын
Useless when I've make tons of hits using Channel Strips...!
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! I'm certainly not saying you can't make a great mix with channel strips...I just forget about them, because I don't like the all-in-one workflow. But if anything works for you, then it IS good! Cheers!
@tri-unetrl3966
2 жыл бұрын
SSL Native Channel Strip 2 is #1 hands down.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear. What do you like about it?
@tri-unetrl3966
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios First... the GUI is super nice and classy. It's just laid out so simple and is very intuitive for an easy workflow. I LOVE IT! You should reconsider and try using that one if you already haven't.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@tri-unetrl3966 I'll revisit it, although I recall being underwhelmed by the compression. I find most SSL emus are too light for me, haha. I'll grab the demo if I can still get a license. Cheers!
@jacksmith4460
2 жыл бұрын
Your point about everything being global, is good, so is the point about UI's. However, many people use CS plugins because of reduced strain on Processors (depends on the plugins , both individual and CS based). #1 is a good point #2 I get the fact you cant just tell what you have previously done to the track by seeing the insert, that was really it. The rest of that point came off at best subjective, and at worst , a little "what grinds my gears", because there was not much else of substance in the points you raised there #3 is a good point, but not really specific to CS plug ins, it really applies to pretty much any out board gear emulation in plugin form. The bit about "I'm supposed to know..." was like come on wtf is that? Fair enough its not very beginner/new to the UI users but once you have used it you know what each thing does, not sure what they problem is there. You have a point about the UI, and maybe tool labelling, but again this has nothing specific to do with CS plugins although it is a common aspect of them Overall I think you made a medium strength case for your premise, which contained some good points, but ignored the plus points of CS plug ins, and at point was padded with weak points that seem no more than moaning to fill time. Overall though I would say most of what you said is strong logic, and makes some sense FTR I use hardly any CS plugins and when I do its for , usually, a specific part of it like the EQ or comp or whatever, so I have no axe to grind here. I
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Jack! Thanks for the feedback. You raise some good points, and when I look back, I think I could have set up some of my arguments a bit better. You raise a good point about UI in general, and I agree with that. But, I can't stress this enough-this is my own experience with CS plugins. They simply slip out of memory for me, and I continue using my trusty plugin chains. But I fault no one who uses them. Thanks for watching!
@homeofcreation
7 ай бұрын
I Mix in Mixbus 32c, that's one giant set of channel strips.
@palebluedotstudios
7 ай бұрын
That's a cool angle, if it's designed from the ground-up that way; literally trying to emulate a console, so I think that has some merit. I haven't really used Mixbus, but I'll have to check it out soon. Thanks so much for watching, cheers!
@bugbass
2 жыл бұрын
The Lindell strip is beautiful man, if you don't even know how it works, why do you even bother use it as an example? And with your workflow, if you want to change something, you still have to open up the plugin, but one of the time, with a strip its one click and there you go.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
I hear you. I wanted to approach it as a new user, as an example of how confusing a new channel strip can be, compared to, say, a dedicated EQ or compressor. Cheers!
@avgytenjoyer91
5 ай бұрын
I think I totally get where you’re coming from but I’m actually working in Ableton and I’m kind of mixing as I’m going along producing EDM tracks and the cool thing is I can keep my plug-ins totally hidden and assign the parameters to macros and when I select a track, I can just see all those macros And know what’s been done and control it all with push and soon a daw controller like icon platform m+
@palebluedotstudios
5 ай бұрын
That sounds great! That will be super-powerful with a controller. Macros are super-powerful, and I often envy Ableton's speed and flexibility.
@avgytenjoyer91
5 ай бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios well you don’t have to envy, join us. Come to the dark side! We have snacks! And performance mode!
@palebluedotstudios
5 ай бұрын
@@avgytenjoyer91 Hahaha! I love snacks! God, the thought of learning another DAW makes me want to gouge my eyes out...but Live would be up there!
@paulopinheirosc
7 ай бұрын
You have a point. Digital plugins are there for us to make the best out of them. But here's the philosophy behind channel strips: when you have that much "freedom" you become self-indulgent. I've read some authors advocating you should think EQ'ing in 4 ranges (of course, they're not considering notch filters to remove unwanted resonance). And if you think about it, you still have a lot of freedom because, in the analog world, you would have to be REALLY rich to have one compressor per channel! And, of course, there are the flavors of your favorite consoles. So, there's no right or wrong here. Only different paradigms.
@palebluedotstudios
6 ай бұрын
I completely agree, Paul; a very nuanced take. Limitations are good, and I find myself really working on reducing my plugins and focusing on what really works in my mixes. If that's an analog-modelled EQ for one user, that's great; if I prefer mouse-friendly parametric EQs, then that's great, too. I just found myself really wondering why I never used these painstakingly-crafted analog channel strips I was so excited about, and had to essay it. Thanks so much for watching! Hope to hear your thoughts in the future. Cheers!
@AppAxis
Жыл бұрын
I avoid ALL of it. #Dawless #NoComputer #NoScreen
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
A valid strategy!
@kadiummusic
4 ай бұрын
Different strokes for different folks. 😎
@palebluedotstudios
4 ай бұрын
Different dials for different styles? 😝 cheers!
@unsaved6
Жыл бұрын
you know you like playing with that ssl emulation…
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Heh heh. You may be correct...
@johnsnyder4949
2 жыл бұрын
all neve emulations go for the authentic look and that inner and outer dial thing suck in a plugin
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! So fiddly!
@qwekumusic5628
2 жыл бұрын
Use what you are comfortable with. Being an ssl console user, I find it much easier working with ssl emulations with interface like the console channels. Either you know and can use or not. But these problems you are figuring out isn't universal
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, my issues are not universal. I wanted to explore why I, personally, don't tend to use channel strips. I'm just not a fan! Thanks for watching!
@patrickw2585
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. You're missing the point somewhat.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Cheers.
@robshrock-shirakbari1862
11 күн бұрын
Ok, I'm not a huge channel strip fan, either... but there's so much wrong with this video. Some people like seeing so much in one window and, most digital functions don't affect the sound if they aren't doing anything. This isn't analog. And don't complain if you don't know how to use a tool. Just like you have to learn all the various EQ and compressor stand alone plug-ins you have to learn the channel strip, as well. No need to whine so much about it, dude.
@MarioLuisYT
8 ай бұрын
I love channel strips 😂👍 cheers
@palebluedotstudios
7 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it! If you love them, then they're good! thanks for watching.
@MrSk8aaa
2 жыл бұрын
q
@russellcameronthomas2116
2 жыл бұрын
I am 💯 with you on all these points. Great explanations and demos. IMO channel strips are ideal for people who have spent years on physical consoles and the don’t want to learn new interfaces, and the want to replicate their old workflow. That is not me.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I’m sure they appeal more to someone who has lots of physical console experience. Sometimes I think they should just make an SSL DAW, so the user gets the whole workflow. But then again…thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it! :)
@anthonyjunior3335
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios Cubase 11 Pro had all you need, complete studio channel strip
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyjunior3335 For sure, plus it's modular AND can be treated like inserts in the Edit View. But I find I still forget about it and favour my own personal plugins. But definitely a great channel strip inside the DAW.
@threepe0
Жыл бұрын
Infinistrip solves almost all of these issues.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
I haven't tried it yet-isn't is bascially PSP's version of Slate VMR?
@alexandre7634
2 жыл бұрын
With all parameters linked to my control surface (faderport 8), a channel strip is actually easier to use than fabfilter for me
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that makes perfect sense. FabFilter is designed from the outset for computer/mouse use.
@pjlira
9 ай бұрын
I agree... SLATE stinks.
@palebluedotstudios
9 ай бұрын
I'm not crazy about the rack format; I like it when they have individual plugins. Would be nice as an option! Thanks so much for watching and commenting! Cheers!
@psychesonic1
Жыл бұрын
I tend to agree with you. But they sure are pretty.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! And if people love them, all the power to them! Cheers!
@blenderfunny2384
2 жыл бұрын
But they are very useful on Maschine mk3 or Machine+
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
In combination with a controller? Certainly! That makes it much more like an original channel strip. Cheers!
@RyanHarris77
10 ай бұрын
perfect is the enemy of good enough.
@palebluedotstudios
10 ай бұрын
Truer words were never spoken! Cheers!
@sativaviolet
2 ай бұрын
Slate sucks, that you get a pass
@palebluedotstudios
Ай бұрын
Haha cheers
@thewatchmanstudios6257
2 жыл бұрын
I have a large number of channel strips and almost never use them anymore..
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, my experience exactly. Thanks for watching!
@Big_Stewdio
2 жыл бұрын
That's a really interesting video which I thoroughly enjoyed although I have reached a slightly different conclusion for myself personally. I never used channel strips and tbh just couldn't see the point for many of the reasons that you covered in your video. What changed my mind was that relatively recently I was working on a mix and I just couldn't seem to get it sound "right". It just lacked a certain cohesion and sonic signature and I just seemed to be circling around the place I wanted to get to. So I scrapped the whole thing and decided to re-mix it and try not to end up going down the exact same musical road and, since I'd never actually completed a mix with channel strips, thought I'd give it a go. Well, you can see where this is going - it was a revalation. Everything just ended up exaclty where I wanted it to be and very, very quickly. I don't exactly know why but whether it was using the same compressor, similar eq curves, same "sonic signature" or just that it made me make mixing decision that I could have made with the individual plugins (but didn't) I really don't know. But I have changed my workflow since then, added a few more channel strips to my toolbox because they all sound a bit different, and pretty much every mix I've completed since then is based on (although not restricted to) a channel strip plugin. I don't especially have an issue with not knowing what it's doing because, let's face it- it's filters, eq and comp on every channel and whether it's individual plugins or a channel strip there are no clues on the mixing page (although I do change the name of the plugins when it's something specific so I can see it). And when you're using the same channel strip across every channel then you quickly get the hang of the GUI even if you've not used it for a while. And, since you mentioned it, I do use the LIndell 80 but only for the preamp emulation. So I don't disagree with a lot of what you say but in terms of imparting a sonic signature to a mix and making everything play nicely together I do think there's a role for channel plugins. Not to complete a mix but to do a lot of the heavy lifting.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for the thoughtful comment! So, first off, it totally makes sense that you could scrap a "usual" mix and get a great mix with channel strips. I'm certain that I could do that also, a fresh perspective helps. Pretty much all these plugins sound great (although most of them fall quite short of their hardware brethren in tests, but I digress!), and the limited choices can help you focus. Definitely a good thing. Curious: did you mention which channel strip you used in your story? I'd love to try doing a whole mix with it. Oh, and the Lindell 80's compressor sound amazing on "NUKE" setting. :) And what DAW do you have where you can rename inserts? I'm guessing Reaper or Live? This would be a great feature for Cubase. Thanks again for the detailed comment! Lots to think about there. And thanks for watching!
@Big_Stewdio
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios no, I didn't mention which channel strip because I didn't want to suggest I was promoting one over another, it was just a methodology comment. But since you ask ;) - I used the SSL channel strip v2 which I had actually bought as part of a promotion with the SSL bus compressor. I only really wanted the bus compressor but I then had this channel strip knocking around so decided to try and use it to get our of the musical dead end I found myself in. I had previously tried (and failed) to mix a song with the Lindell 80 but had actually succcessfully mixed a song with the SSL channel strip 6 (the strangely names predecessor to the v2) but only because I forced myself to as an academic exercise and didn't do it again. Until a few months ago. I then bought the brainworx SSL 9000J which I've also used successfully on quite a few mixes. I could be making this up but the 9000J sound a bit more open and "pop" whereas the one from SSL sound a bit more punchy. BUT that could be a self-fulfilling prophecy because I use the 9000J on more open/pop song and the SSL on more rock/midrange type of song so I could be fooling myself a bit. I've also got a Neve emulation (also from brainworx) but haven't used it yet. Although I'm going to use it on the next mix so I should know soon whether to add it to the toolbox. I've thought about adding an API or another flavour of SSL/Neve but given that pro studios tend to have one desk which is used for a range of music I don't think that's necessary (even if it's possible). I'm not saying that these plugins rival the hardware, I'm just saying that I don't think you have to mix a certain genre of music on a certain desk. Imho :) I like the Lindell 80 preamp (I'm a bit of a sucker for preamps tbh) but just couldn't get on with the eq or compressor sections. Far too limited for my liking, as you alluded to in your video. But thanks for the tip on using the compressor - I'll give it a go. I'm a studio one user and you can simply rename any plugin so that when you look at your inserts it can say "high shelf" rather than "PRO Q3" or "kick ducker" rather than "PRO C2". I don't really know any other DAWs but I would have thought that was fairly standard. It's super helpful for all the reasons you mention in your video, particularly if you come back to a mix after some time away. Enjoying your channel (long time lurker) so keep doing what you do
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@Big_Stewdio Why thank you, long-time lurker! Haha. New product-review video coming out tomorrow! :) The SSL naming conventions are bizarre. I use the v6 SSL Bus Compressor on every mix, but now it's discontinued (without warning), and you have to get the new one, either with the subscription model or for $329(!). I have the v2 channel strip as well, but I found the compressor lacking, which I do find is a problem with a lot of these strips plugins. I liked NUKE mode on the Lindell, but found the standard compressor to be weak. To date, I haven't been sold on VST pre-amps. I tend to want to control my saturation and use oversampling. I might try an experiment where I A/B an entire mix with just the pre-amps activated on a strip/modelling plugin.
@goseason2343
2 жыл бұрын
My point exactly 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
@HunterHendricksonMusic
2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps a solution for people who feel the way you do is a second “linear gui skin” that all look the same. For many like myself, if a plug-in totally models hardware, I want the option to interface with the original limitation and quirks and go beyond them at tasteful junctions if desired.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting point. In Cubase, you can switch to a generic plugin GUI, so it would be a bunch of generic sliders. Personally, since I think I can get "analog" sound on my own, I prefer to build that with individual plugins that can be bypassed separately. As always, I'm happy for you if you love using these channel strips. I just tend to forget about them! Cheers!
@HunterHendricksonMusic
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios ah that’s cool Cubase has a version of that! I think maybe Logic might be able to do that, I’ve seen it do that in an ugly way when using the iPad to control 3rd party plugin. I’m a bit nostalgic and so I like ‘feeling the gear’ but I think it limits my speed, at the very least. I’m slowed down by not thinking the way you do, you’re more efficient. But also although hindered, I’m me and my inefficiency may lead me to be myself if properly managed. I digress! Ha!
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@HunterHendricksonMusic No digress! That's a good point. Limitations can very helpful and, while I think it's good to make decisions quickly while mixing, slowing down and not being distracting by too many plugins is great too!
@DynastyUK
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with a lot, but When you was faffing around with the Lindell strip. people who buy these plugins are buying them to actually use them and spend a lot of time with them. Some might have a slight learning curve, but it's like going from driving a Lorry to a car, or different side of the road in other countries sometimes. Both get you there but you can't expect things to work the same. I do however think as cool as some of these plugins look they should have an alternative view with sliders more suitable for mouse. nice vid btw, :)
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, my friend!!
@andreisidius8237
2 жыл бұрын
100% you can always use boring goddamn pro q
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@andreisidius8237 That's for sure! Thanks for watching.
@andreisidius8237
2 жыл бұрын
You sound like kids)
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Do I? Haha. Cheers! Thanks for watching. :)
@MIHAO
3 ай бұрын
Subbed!
@palebluedotstudios
3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Stay tuned for more!
@BartekEVH
2 жыл бұрын
But... Izotope Neutron 3? :) And PSP InfiniStip.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
All very high-quality stuff! But for me, it’s about workflow and GUIs (Izotope interfaces have always bugged me, but that is 100% my personal opinion). I mentioned that I use Waves TG12345 because I love the compressor, same with Slate. I find I just never use strips! Thanks for watching!
@BartekEVH
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios I understand. I will try it. :)
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
@@BartekEVH Excellent! Curious what you think. :)
@JeffyG
Жыл бұрын
You make a strong point! “Individuated” just added to my vocabulary 😂 I’ve always understood that popular channel strips from UAD or Brainworx were adding some color beyond the sum of their parts. That the embedded algorithms could not be duplicated with individual compression, dynamics, gates and limiters. Maybe I’ve been sold a load of crap? But, I’ve also been critical of vintage console hardware. All that expense…and does it really add anything more than what I could add with individual plugins in my DAW? Then, if we’re going to challenge the status quo, isn’t there an argument that all EQs are the same? I’m serious. Sure they all have different controls and precision, but there’s only 1 frequency spectrum. If a single bass and single treble knob cover the spectrum, why do we need anything more?
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you said that about EQs. I've been meaning to put out an "All Digital EQs are the Same"-style video, but I keep putting it off. I just don't get excited (nor do I purchase) new EQ plugins; I just don't need them. I might make that video soon.
@JeffyG
Жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios I’d watch it! There are dynamic EQs like Fab Filter and a few others that are popular. I can mimic dynamic EQ by just having multiple tracks of the same part, each with different EQ settings, then mix or automate. But I get it. A lot of producers are looking for a dynamic EQ to do magic on a single track - like a single track vocal. In that “magic one button” category I’ve been using Izotope Nectar 3+ (is it A.I. well not really). Again, these advanced plugins are cool, but are they necessary?
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
@@JeffyGI'd say dynamic EQs are definitely necessary, but need to be used carefully. The new AI (Izotope, Accentize, Sonible, et al.) stuff is exciting, and can be great, but I'm sure you'd agree that it's a little scary that some younger producers are going to start their careers using soothe2 on EVERYTHING by default. But good old classic EQ, automation and good technique is always a great idea!
@RocknRollkat
Жыл бұрын
Channel strips are what make up REAL consoles. These DAWs HIDE 'em (WHAT ?) so I don't use 'em for all of the same reasons. I use very few plugins, and I like the way they appear where I can SEE 'em. Bill P.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Good call, Bill! Cheers!
@RocknRollkat
Жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios Thank you mate !
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
@@RocknRollkat Anytime! I've been moving to using much fewer plugins too, and life is easier now. Thanks for watching!
@RocknRollkat
Жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios I use very few plugins, I mix entirely in mono, 80 dB SPL in the control room, I go to stereo as the last step. Give it a try ! Bill P.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
@@RocknRollkat You're preaching to the choir! Haha. Good call, I mix the majority in mono, then flip to stereo for final sweetening. Cheers!
@Dizzy808Productions
Жыл бұрын
i agree
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks!
@darrellroseborough7275
2 жыл бұрын
People mix and use the workflow that best suits them. All this subjective bullshit. Different strokes for different folks. Keep it movin.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
I said it up front: if people like using channel strips, I'm all for whatever works for them. This is simply why they don't work for me. Thanks for watching!
@giedriusnakas5795
2 жыл бұрын
good points, but you miss one of the main points of using a channel strips - use it on all of your tracks in your mix session - it creates a certain sound that can help to glue the song together and make it sound like it was mixed on a certain console. it can make the mix shine (or collapse). if you just use it on only one track the effect won't be very noticeable, but if you multiply that on all the tracks - the EQ, compression and the combo gives you a special sound you can hardly emulate with other separate plugins - maybe you can, but you would have to work very hard to achieve it. sure, most restrictions seems old-fashioned, but they provide you 'that sound' they are legendary for. if you don't like it, of course don't use it, and sure, if you prefer flexibility - use fabfilter and separate plugins. different tools for different tasks. some for the interface - most people want to see it as it was and older guys who know it very well from working with the real thing prefer it that way. I agree - i could be made easier to work with in the digital world in 2022, but it doesn't mean it don't make sense. you have your own workflow (with separate maybe more modern plugins) and you don't have to change it if you like it. but saying it sucks is not very clever when you dig deeper. I can see why you think it does, but you look at it from the viewpoint of ease of use and flexibility - and CS are especially not good for that, but great for other things. (and you can use both!) cheers!
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
That's a good point. I would push back a little on that and suggest that the only way you're getting a truly unique "console" sound is through crosstalk and shared saturation/noise. Think about it: at the end of the day, the compressors and EQs are just digital EQs that have been modelled after specific hardware. But using that modelled EQ on every track in and of itself is no different than inserting a Pultec emu (or a stock EQ with custom slopes) on each channel. But those EQs don't "talk" to each other or share processing at all. But, something like the Lindell, or console emus like Satson do indeed spread analo-style crosstalk and non-linear saturation/noise across all the plugins. So I would say that crosstalk can give you a unique (probably very subtle) console emulation. But just the EQs and compressors on their own will simulate the activity of the original hardware, but don't sum up unless they're deigned to do so. So I think that's a good thing to look for in these type of plugins. (Full disclosure: I use Sonimus Satson on every channel in every mix, but that's not a channel strip per se.) Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments!
@who_is_dis
Жыл бұрын
1,000% agree.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks so much for watching, and commenting! Cheers!
@chris_hall_music
Жыл бұрын
I'm with you on not using channel strip plugins. The bypass issue is a major factor, and like you say the interface design choices are terrible. Skeuomorphism in interface design is the absolute worst issue we have with modern plugins. That lindell strip is terrible. I could never use it for mixing. Software designers have the opportunity to completely re-design how we interface with dynamics and eq processors, while maintaining what is desirable from hardware.... which is basically EQ curves and harmonic saturation. And if you measure that, you'll find that hardware sounds very clean, and much of the "vibe" of vintage/analogue gear is completely imagined. Personally, I don't like individual plugins for mixing and love the Slate approach, as most of my processing is in one window, and one click away. I can quickly reorder modules, and bypass. As opposed to having multiple windows on top of each other. What would be better.... is if an audio soft brand reimagined what a channel strip would look like for purely in the box use. All controls on one interface, with modular components that can be bypassed and interchanged to bring in the musicality of hardware EQ curves and dynamic characteristics. What would a modular channel strip from Fabfilter look like? Having said all that Serban Ghenea uses the Metric Halo Channel strip, so maybe we're all missing the point.
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! I only pull out Slate occasionally when I want a specific processor, but that's about it. Thanks so much for watching!
@davidasher22
2 жыл бұрын
I’m right with ya! Tried channel strips many times and I have the same issues.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear I'm not alone! It's interesting, because they sure do seem to sell..
@thegroove2000
2 жыл бұрын
Use what ever gets you to where you need to be.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! I know many people love and swear by channel strips. Whatever works for you! My brain just does not like them. Thanks for watching!
@thegroove2000
2 жыл бұрын
@@palebluedotstudios Ha ha yer we are all different.
@vigilant545
2 жыл бұрын
Channel strips work great in real life but not with a mouse on a display.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Thanks for watching! :)
@vigilantestylez
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah they surely don't work for Serban Ghenea who uses a channel strip on his whole session, and mixes with a mouse. He only mixed every top pop song in the last 20 years this way. You're right , he's an idiot, and his mixes suck.
@gabrielrangel956
2 жыл бұрын
if they're accurate replicas, it works well for recording
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Certainly. It’s more the controls and interface that bug me…cheers!
@jonathansoko1085
Жыл бұрын
Gate keeping is quite the issue in the youtube audio space. Anyways, it all depends on the user. You can give someone a waves mastering suite (most people are pirates but thats another story) and they can produce TRASH (which is the case with youtube "producers" 95% of the time). Or you can give somone just a mpc one with its stock fx and mastering tools in standalone and they can produce a classic album that sounds incredible. It all depends on who is at the helm
@palebluedotstudios
Жыл бұрын
Excellent point. I think back to the 90s, and I was making great mixes with what I had: Cakewalk Pro Audio on an ancient PC, with stock plugins. Daft Punk made some of their biggest hits with a shit studio and retail speakers. Nothing replaces good ears and talent. Thanks for pointing that out! Cheers!
@hajianekena6909
2 жыл бұрын
good viewpoint, just i don't know why but the channel strip applies more depth in the sound
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to guess it's because Softube plugins are of the highest quality. ;)
@RayTheProducer
9 ай бұрын
Very interesting and entertaining feature. I like to make my own channel strips, preferably with a visual readout so I know just WTF is going on. Most channel strips are missing this crucial feature, so it’s easy to overcook things. I think the channel strip is a product of a bygone era, and mostly redundant unless you’re into nostalgia and pretending you’re really mixing on a console. Why would you want to, with all the flexibility that individual plugins offer? Finally, there’s either too much going on in the GUI, or it’s gigantic. I like Arturia’s preamps for vocals and drums, but even there I’m more likely to reach for an EQ. Good stuff.
@palebluedotstudios
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this thoughtful response! Yes, I agree. We're in a new era, we don't need to be shackled to the old. I'm curious, when you say you make your own channel strips, do you mean that you code your own?
@Quant-Beat
2 жыл бұрын
At the very most, a channel strip plug-in would be to very fast hear what suggestion are. Very seldom that would be a hit, something to stay at. Do not spend money, just demo to maybe widen possible scenarios.
@palebluedotstudios
2 жыл бұрын
Good advice! People should definitely demo the plugins to see if they work for them! Thanks for watching.
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