I really agree with a lot of what you said. I like this game and will continue playing it for now, at least until I get to the endgame, but I can see the cracks showing. The gameplay to me is pretty fun but it is pretty simple, can see myself getting bored eventually for sure. I don't think anyone really likes the TV system but I'm ok with it for now but hopefully they add more in-character exploration later, that is a very valid criticism. For the story I actually really enjoyed the beginning arc involving the cunning hares, it really resonated with me as a cyberpunk 2077/shadowrun type of fan, but after that was over it just kind of never got interesting again. Each new chapter involves honestly boring characters that they want to sell you and story segments that I've already forgotten. I wish I could play HSR but I just can't get into turn based JRPGs, I can't even beat Persona 5 :(
@jaymeeduhh
Ай бұрын
The polish in this game is insane IMO. I cannot understand how people who like gacha stories do not see how this goes above and beyond normal gachas. We have Amazing comic panels, with cutscenes with interactive story (tvs). I dont think I have enjoyed a gacha story as much as this in a while because of how they show it. It is so unique and expressive. Again the TVs are fine because that is what your character is doing. Traversing the Hollow puzzle. I just view it was an interactive story because in other games it would just be telling you that. As someone who likes to be immersed in the story I personally feel this went all out in how its presenting its story.
@sennelicht8318
Ай бұрын
massive copium
@Tromatized
Ай бұрын
@@sennelicht8318 "when someone enjoys a game I don't it's copium"
@lirakc
Ай бұрын
@@Tromatized massive copium
@user-ie7oi2eg8w
Ай бұрын
@@jaymeeduhh yes bro, insane polish everyone knows that but i think they kinda forgot about the fun aspect
@sennelicht8318
Ай бұрын
@@Tromatized Nice, but in this case I do. Everyone can feel almost immediately how tedious the TV system is. You cannot overlook the bad gameplay with cute cinematics and storytelling (which is being actively ruined by the gameplay along with the immersion). That's why it's copium
@emailsampah624
Ай бұрын
Agree. I had installed and uninstalled situation for several times but decide to completely quit, is not the game for me i guess.
@Ladon-tc8pm
Ай бұрын
Agree with the general points made on ZZZ's flaws and shortcomings. That said, you are severely underestimating how trash the average gacha game is. Tbh ZZZ could remove the combat aspect of the game, keep just story and TV puzzles, and it would still be better than 95% of other gacha games. Which turns into an issue for consumers since Hoyo doesn't have much competition yet (WuWa is good but still not enough)
@Drunkendrakon
Ай бұрын
Its a filter and many people got filtered early. Maybe the ZZZ community will have less toxic people in it.
@strygwr
Ай бұрын
Mihoyo don't care about morality of the community. They focus on revenue 😂😂😂 N too bad Zzz is trash
@Drunkendrakon
Ай бұрын
@@strygwr ZZZ gonna be like blue archive fr.
@user-ie7oi2eg8w
Ай бұрын
it's goign to be worse because it's going to be filled with furries and lolicons
@Drunkendrakon
Ай бұрын
@@user-ie7oi2eg8w Reaching out to new demographics 🤣
@ljxr2745
Ай бұрын
most hoyo games are already filled with furries and lolicons, blue archive is the biggest degen community tho, we will just see how zzz turns out
@neanahidden
Ай бұрын
Interesting to hear. Don’t have any personal experience with it, yet. ZZZ looks very cool and I like the vibe but haven’t started playing it (at least not yet) because I know it will eat up an another portion of my game time. Time is extremely valuable for someone with a full time job and other adulting stuff. I’m not dropping my favourite HSR, after more than 3,5 years Genshin is basically part of the routine and Natlan is coming. And I enjoy playing WuWa a lot. There’s no room for another “daily” game. Hardly time for the ones I got involved in.
@rashdub7906
Ай бұрын
Dude's just plays games for rewards and you've played the game for 2 days, your not gonna get 20000 gems in 2 days bro
@_Gabimaru
Ай бұрын
@@rashdub7906 I don’t give a shit about rewards if the gameplay and story is enjoyable, the only 5 star I’ve gotten in my last 2 months from hsr is firefly I play games that are interesting and fun and this simply isn’t that
@zedeon6299
Ай бұрын
Sorry if the game doesn't give me 20000 on release I won't play it
@ciel771
Ай бұрын
yea the tv's are my biggest complaint forsure. i can put up with most everything else but im not a fan of the tv puzzle's at all. im playing this game cus of the combat and cus i think the characters look cool. so anything that keeps me out of that especially something that i dont find fun is not good. it takes me out of the story completely and i cant help but roll my eyes when i see em LOL. If they made the maze its own separate thing that i could choose to do for rewards i wouldnt mind it too , too much. truthfully tho i want them gone entirely. Personally im going to keep playing just to see if it gets better in the endgame gets any better once i get more characters. that is, if the tv's dont make me wanna quit enitrely LMAO
@ihabnoname104
Ай бұрын
I honestly don't understand how ppl find the combat boring but i can see how the tv's could feel a little excessive in the first chapters but it really does get better afterwards. Im like 90% sure that the 50% reduction they did on the tv placement was only done for the chapters after the first couple or else it must've been genuine hell. And about the combat, That just comes down to opinions. But my counter argument to the difficulty is that you are either just mashing, really good at the game, or a low level. Not one HYV game or Wuwa has been even remotely difficult in the first couple hours so being turned off by them trying to teach you how to play the game before the challenging content starts imo is crazy. About the story, personally I loved chapter one and hated ch2 for a lot of reasons. Again, the tvs. In the 2nd chapters, the tv system immerses you more than in the first bc they have new icons for all the bosses but I never once cared about it although i didnt skip anything so i could get an exact opinion. I 100% agree with Gacha Smack on the tv's and although I do like them I can admit the game would be like 10x better without them. But another thing is now that we have so much to compare this game to, some ppl are pretending like those games never had issues either. I remember in 1.0 of HSR Belebog and the Xianzhou story were nothing special, but at that time, we were comparing it only to Genshin's story, now we are comparing ZZZ to some of the best stories in gacha history like Penacony from HSR and Fontaine in Genshin. Imo it makes ZERO sense to compare these 1.0 features to 2.0 and 4.0 features of other games. But I think by 1.1 of ZZZ we should see some big changes which hoping for the best that could change a lot of people's opinion for this game. Yes I am biased towards this game bc I knew I was going to love it and I am loving it, But my bias has no effect on anything I said besides the fact that I'm making a counter argument at all. And as for the rewards, EVERY. SINGLE. GACHA. GAME. in the last couple of years including wuwa advertised the same exact way with ZZZ being the most generous with the boosted S rank rates along with all the pulls. And saying how many 5 stars you were able to get in a patch does not show their generosity but it shows your luck, mind you Ive been playing ZZZ for 4 days and have gotten 4 S ranks those being Ellen, Rina, Koleda, and Nekomata. And again with Wuwa, the free five star selector along with many of the pulls were compensation and apologies for the glitches, NOT REWARDS. Something that Wuwa did right though and ZZZ did WRONG was that Wuwa had a plan if they had glitches or mistakes or anything which was the five star selector, ZZZ most likely did not have anything planned bc they assumed that this would do great since its Hyv of course it has to do great. Anyway super sorry for the paragraph and also if anyone has any actual counter arguments not based on pure opinion over the genre of game, I would love to hear. That sounded passive aggressive I swear im being genuine, Im just trying to shed some light on this situation.
@ihabnoname104
Ай бұрын
I cannot believe i just typed this.
@srenivasanks8792
Ай бұрын
@@ihabnoname104yeah just For especially people like you KZitem Just keep a voice button So you could say us
@liogamer7o6
Ай бұрын
I agree with you 100%, I’m just finding everything about this game fun
@Intuos-
Ай бұрын
Literally if they focus on the the gameplay, add more bosses like the dancers, I can see this game getting better. The TVs have to go or atleast get massively reduced. I have fun attempting shiyu defense 10 and fighting the harder enemies. But the moment I see a quest that's in the exploration I sigh cus I hate doing the TVs. They just need better way to do the story and missions that isn't just doing dumb puzzles in TVs
@peckneck2439
Ай бұрын
The TVS are unironically destroying the whole thing for me. I can't wait for hoyo to release their usual survey so i can tell them exactly how much the TVs suck and how much i want them gone. The combat is boring for the most part, but i'm willing to tolerate it if there's more of it but with the freaking TVs which take most of my gameplay time it's rather impossible. Also, guaranteed pull should be changed from 90 to 70 if not lower. Hoyo could get away with it in their other games because you get to play these characters pretty much anytime in the game, but in ZZZ you can only play as them in combat which most of the time doesn't last long while you're forced to play as Wise/Belle in the overworld and as nobody in the TV sections. Also, the freaking game size is ridiculous. How is it that ZZZ is only at it's 1.0 version and is ALREADY reaching 60GB on PCs? Also... i frekaing swear checking resource integrity is going to make me want to strangle myself. It takes so bloody long it's absolutely insane. And finally, one is my personal disappointments but i think it was a huge misoppurtunity not to lean more towards the 90s aesthetics. I mean you have CRT TVs, VHS tapes, skateboards, graffitis, old school character posters on walls and all sorts of 90s vibes goign yet the game is set in a modern futuristic world. How cool would it be if ZZZ was the first truly 90s gacha game?
@whatshouldinamethis4077
Ай бұрын
professional hater, legitimately could've done something productive instead of typing this essay
@GoldenEagle311
Ай бұрын
Depends on what you're doing in ZZZ but if your doing main story then it's no surprise there is gonna be a lot of story but you have farming and sim universe and hard more if you wanna just play with your characters all day
@freespeechisdead7233
Ай бұрын
lol, good luck with Hoyo ever listening to their players, this game had 3 CBTs and in all of them they were told the exploration (the CRT puzzle thing) was terrible and they triple down on it. Also the Hoyo shills will just call you a hater for making constructive criticism.
@Fxmldr10
Ай бұрын
@@whatshouldinamethis4077 Fr bro, the game size is fine and you don't even spend that much time in the TV's, to give a rough estimate I probably have spent 10-20% of my time in the TV's with about 20-30 hours having played the game so far, I do agree that it's pretty disappointing that you can only play as the agents in combat and I'd think it be cool if it leaned a little more on the 90s atheistic but this is just pure hate
@Fxmldr10
Ай бұрын
Also the TV parts are fine and pretty fun but it can get a bit old after a while imo
@재현7704
Ай бұрын
I hated it at first, I hate the TV, I hate the too many loading screen, it is terrible it may not kill Wuwa, instead it killing me. But then the game is kinda growing on me, after reaching LvL 30, but I agree this isn't a very casual because of the TV. Only thing I like is the story and how comedic it was.
@JRPGGG
Ай бұрын
not me, its gonna be my low priority low effort mobile game
@TukkyHD
Ай бұрын
yeah the TVs gotta go asap. I be falling asleep during them. Like make it one part of the game like hollow-zone but not 85% of the it. I can hardly skip some of the cut-scenes as it is, now you forcing me to play a maze everytime?
@friarpavel2155
Ай бұрын
Doesn't really take forever, the game opens up and difficulty increases significantly after the first chapter, which is around lvl 22-23 when hard modes get unlocked for past missions. I got wiped on my first "hard mode" clear at lvl 23 and that's when I actually had to look at my team comps and skill rotations. I do agree the early game is very lacking, but it's a gacha at the end of the day and story modes are almost never difficult in these types of games at the start.
@_Gabimaru
Ай бұрын
@@friarpavel2155 I get what you mean but the difficulty is so low to the point you could play blindfolded, like in hsr wuwa or genshin im gonna die after a few hits but in this game not only does it take forever to die but the easy parries and stun effects make it so the mobs almost never get a chance to even hit you
@spkz0r
Ай бұрын
@@_Gabimaru Well, it is pretty much a tutorial until lvl30 or so.
@ihabnoname104
Ай бұрын
@@_Gabimaru Yeah they def need to increase the consequences of making a mistake besides missing a daze window for the smaller enemies. I do somewhat agree with you, but once you unlock rally modes and weekly bosses and hard modes for all the story challenges, the daze feels like it lasts 2 seconds and the enemies hit more rapidly so its harder to manage your assist points, in later levels especially, if you want to maximize your dmg, you will be left with no assist points in the middle of your rotation.
@shayed_6668
Ай бұрын
@_Gabimaru so ya u didn't get very far..... since the beginning of the game ud be at the other city..
@QiQigoat
Ай бұрын
@@_Gabimaru nah you comparing end game genshin with 3 days old zzz gameplay of yours
@Auto00
Ай бұрын
bruh is literally asking for a different game, and Blud barely scratch the mid/end game. professional yapper
@BlazingZakurai
Ай бұрын
i didn't like it cuz no space bar and no husband balance. Waifu designs didnt interest me. Lol
@_Gabimaru
Ай бұрын
@@BlazingZakurai it really sucks as someone who doesn’t care for the thirst bait hoyo female characters I need more badass men like boothill
@BlazingZakurai
Ай бұрын
@@_Gabimaru we need more wrio and boothill or Zhongli lmao
@BlazingZakurai
Ай бұрын
@@_Gabimaru ngl try loading and it won't even let me in. so no zzz. lmaoo
@_Gabimaru
Ай бұрын
@@BlazingZakurai zzz won’t work for you? I’m sorry to hear that, prob has some performance issues from launch
@BlazingZakurai
Ай бұрын
@@_Gabimaru ya prob i can always try again later till it works but its a sign saying I have too many gacha games loool 😭
@clipsyvideossatisfactorios9070
Ай бұрын
nah, tha game is fun
@megamihyd6882
Ай бұрын
im not quitting this game is actually good
@TheAsian125
Ай бұрын
I been playing this game till 35 now and honestly the gameplay loop gets tiring and old real quick. Enemy variety is nonexistent it feels like you're doing the same stuff. Even their end game the bosses don't get new mechanics just more health and attack slightly more.
@xenos0903alt
Ай бұрын
You haven't officially started playing the skill-based levels until level 30.
@djethreii
Ай бұрын
sorry but I like the TVs, especially when you reach 30 or you are on Hollow Zero. there will be times that you need to activate that one sleeping braincell in your noggin to proceed. forced puzzles? as if genshin doesn't have forced puzzles when you're in a quest line and you do need to do all the puzzles to 100% an area of a region. the Tvs later in the game engages you while cutting the travel time. I also disagree with the combat, if you're spamming left click on Anby, you're playing her wrong. if you're spamming left click on Koleda, you're doing it wrong. if you're spamming left click on Nekomata, you're doing it wrong (her kit revolves around positioning for a backstab when you have her signature w-engine and one of her constellations), if you're spamming on suokaku, you're doing it wrong, if you're spamming on Soldier 11, you're doing it wrong, you have to space out your attacks to infuse Fire Anomaly. also Chain Attacks ARE ULTS and scale off of ult skill points, if you're not triggering Chain Attacks, better check your team comp and which attacks will trigger a chain attack quicker. If you are not in the stage where you are managing your assist points, you haven't gone deeper into the game. if you are parrying everything, you're doing it wrong, there are agents that benefit from doing a dodge counter, for example, Nekomata, she gets a whopping 40% damage increase at level 1 for a successful dodge counter.
@JWhite205
Ай бұрын
getteth goodeth
@shayed_6668
Ай бұрын
Dudes a baby
@GentlePunch4U
Ай бұрын
I like playing ZZZ at a slower pace and I'm mostly having fun, but to be honest, the game's less entertaining than the drama surrounding it.
@ihabnoname104
Ай бұрын
Bro im fighting for my life out here.
@Yuk1narii
Ай бұрын
Skill issue tbh. Maybe try playing the game instead of hopping on for 2 minutes and getting angry it's not another needless open world slog.
@_Gabimaru
Ай бұрын
@@Yuk1narii I think comments like this don’t realize who this game is targeted towards, I’ve put around 10+ hours total into this game and this games target audience is people who play casually 30 minutes to an hour a day. Early game is THE most crucial aspect in capturing people and drawing them in to continue playing for the mid-endgame, even if the endgame is mid people will stay so long as they receive enough rewards and enjoy the story/art direction. I made a new video on how I finally got to a boss where I almost lost and I actually enjoyed it and hope to see more of it in the future however many don’t have the patience to dump days/weeks into something that didn’t capture them from the beginning.
@roxnexgen5264
Ай бұрын
"Skill issue" 🤡 someone doesn't enjoy the game how was that a skill issue?
@Yuk1narii
Ай бұрын
@@roxnexgen5264 A skill issue is thinking basic puzzle dungeons as a traveling method in an action rpg is such an awful addition that it's worth dropping a while game for. And an entitlement issue is what we call making two garbage, rage bait videos about a game you still play just because it isn't the exact flavor of slop you wanted.
@T1MOTE1
Ай бұрын
@@Yuk1narii don't cry, hoyoshill.
@renno257
Ай бұрын
Exactly bro I also gave up, not interesting and boring for me dunno why. Back to wuwa for me
@shayed_6668
Ай бұрын
Wuwa is a literal genshing reskin...
@DorkNamedHope
Ай бұрын
@@shayed_6668far from truth.
@jyuu6650
Ай бұрын
@@shayed_6668 possibly in every aspect except combat. Below mediocre story.
@wkn-ix3vt
Ай бұрын
A game promises "combat" but has more time in TV maze than the actual combat; a brain-dead, button-mashing "combat" game with no jump and aerial attacks and enemies just watching you killing them most of the time, a game which promotes furries, lolis, underage but overly matured female character bodies, and goofy male characters. I appreciate the graphics and music, but overall it is a downgraded game coming from Hoyoverse I believe.
@IordArthas
Ай бұрын
Hey man. I think I get why it was deleted. It was getting enough views to the point someone may have reacted to it and got you a lot of flak one way or another. Said theoretical react may have reignited the drama possibly as well. In regards to feedback about this video I want to say that you are way too quiet. Finding a way to up your volume or speak louder/clearer.
@_Gabimaru
Ай бұрын
My bad, in this video I had 2 fans on since I don’t own an ac and it’s super hot here lately so the mic was getting interference from them. And yea I just didn’t want drama or people hating on me, the views don’t matter to me I just felt like expressing my opinion in that moment and later on realized it’s something I’d rather keep to myself and all those who watched it
@warwolf8741
Ай бұрын
Same. I uninstalled hours ago.
@RonelGV
Ай бұрын
bruh I can't even download the game it keeps saying download failed
@bakutie
Ай бұрын
sounds like you just want the game to be everything its not trying to be :| the story is far more technically competent than anything they've ever written, thank god they for once had their writers not do things far beyond their abilities the tv system is a great idea but mihoyo being mihoyo does stupid shit that slows you down or interrupts you when you just want to navigate, however they still have some neat bits that show the potential of how fun the puzzles can get (though I won't hold out much hope because mihoyo has always disappointed me when it comes to making use of their games potential) as the tv system is now I think it's just okay it's undeniable thought that there isn't enough combat they clearly made it with intention of being good fun when you're being barraged with attacks and have to constantly dodge/parry while getting attacks in but they don't put you in those situations enough nor does combat last very long
@abhiss6705
Ай бұрын
Lol this is one of the worst reviews / assessments i have ever seen about the game. Like if you just wanna be rewarded immediately and you don't wanna put up with shit. Just quit lol. The game isn't for you. I personally enjoy everything as a wuwa / genshin and hsr player. I think the story and worldbuilding is top tier and it has a lot of potential. Each act hardly takes 1 hR and you can replay harder versions of those fights without the tv system. Honestly , that's like complaining about the social link system in persona. It's part of experience. The life sim and tv elements are part of the game. It's something wholly unique and i am enjoying it so far. If it feels like a chore , then the game isnt for you lol.
@whatshouldinamethis4077
Ай бұрын
I cannot tell if this is ragebait or not 😭 these points invalid asf
@shayed_6668
Ай бұрын
Homie is literally just mimicking other brain dead tubers that never made it anywhere and never learned combos
@leightonx7430
Ай бұрын
"Why do I have to play the TV mechanic" is basically equivalent to saying "Why do I have to explore in wuwa, genshin or HSR". They are the same concept (interacting with a hollow/world, solving puzzles, advancing the story, collecting loot...) just implemented in two different ways. If you aren't a fan of it, that's perfectly fine since I'm not a fan either. But for people to call it an objective outright flaw is disingenuous and ignoring the deeper elements of game design. Think of it this way, there are plenty of ppl who despise genshin/wuwa open world because they either think it's boring, takes away from the main aspect of the game (combat), or takes too much time. Sounds familiar doesn't it? The only difference is we are more used to open world already so we tend to cut it some more slack from a personal viewpoint.
@_Gabimaru
Ай бұрын
@@leightonx7430 yea but the difference with the TVs is it’s just a forced puzzle, it’s not really comparable to an open world game that, sure has puzzles scattered around but for the most part your just fighting mobs and exploring the world and have complete freedom outside of that. in this game the world is closed and the main draw of this game is its combat so having to deal with 5-10 minutes of TVs before reaching actual combat can feel a bit tedious at times. I will say I am currently interknot 26 and they don’t bother me as much anymore but it’s still something I’d like to be toned down a bit. I’m also starting to like the story a bit more now that there’s less tv stuff
@leightonx7430
Ай бұрын
@@_Gabimaru Agreed on this point. I think what hoyo was trying to do was deincentivise combat in main story quests since as we all know they are quite easy, and instead shift the focus of the combat into hollow zero, shiyu defence, and likely any future game mode they might add like they did with HSR. For me personally, when I play the main story missions it's usually just for the actual story so the visual storytelling segments with the TVs don't bother me all too much. The combat stage at the end is just an added bonus for me. But yeah I do see how players who treat the story missions with a bigger focus on the combat part can get annoyed by the tedium of navigating the TVs for 10 minutes.
@natsukirei2016
Ай бұрын
i agree with this, and the way the game was advertised and hyped up after the success of genshin impact i expected a larger open world instead of just rinse and repeat linear stages of fights which is okay with good combat it simply does not feel like a large world or universe, not being able to jump also felt like a missing feature that was advertised, when ZZZ showed its first trailer you saw characters running up buildings and having freedom of movement around a city based world
@crowing3886
Ай бұрын
Did you delete your video? Why? You made perfect points.
@_Gabimaru
Ай бұрын
It was a video I made in the moment and it was growing pretty quickly to the point it would’ve been reacted on, I didn’t necessarily care about tectone reacting to it I just decided that I didn’t want to deal with the drama/hate for something I don’t care about anymore, and I know he wouldn’t have seen that video in the way I intended so there was no point in keeping it up.
@crowing3886
Ай бұрын
@@_Gabimaru I feel because nobody of the drama party (tec,mtashed, hex) has made any content on it I can see it sparking more than it should. If this was the usual drama cycle we'd have gotten 3 vids from tectone about it, 2 from mtashed an one from hex already. So looking at it that way the video could've been more objective. Without anyone talking about it I can see the perspective of you fanning the flames of the situation so I understand.
@fakhrulnawawi9681
Ай бұрын
I play using ipad..u cannot change the hud? Erggh
@daman8492
Ай бұрын
Hoyo huffing their own farts and thinking it smells like roses. They're too full of themselves because of Genshin and probably think people will just eat up whatever crap they're served. And to a degree they're right because Genshin is still insanely popular somehow. ZZZ is just as much slop as Genshin, but for some reason it's been rejected enmasse.
@OnAss-d3o
Ай бұрын
i done that at first day game is just not form me and feels boring ! For me it feels that game do not have a soul !!
@ragna2959
Ай бұрын
ya wt happened to that video
@_Gabimaru
Ай бұрын
Deleted it cause it was gonna end up being reacted to and I realized I didn’t want to deal with the drama/hate and I already decided I wouldn’t make a response video if he reacted to it originally, it was just how I felt in the moment and later on I realized I shouldn’t even care about it, I also don’t believe he’d take anything from my video and instead try to counter my every point on stream without taking a real listen at what I’m saying
@ragna2959
Ай бұрын
@@_Gabimaru yep bro, I agree with u i hoping u make more videos and I just want to say, u have more potential to be a youtuber🤍
@Stuss.-.y.-.
Ай бұрын
hey man, you’re probably not the target audience for the game! A bunch of people are having a blast and others aren’t. The game is nuts and the combat is top-tier in the market, crazy how much undeserved hate this game is getting
@T1MOTE1
Ай бұрын
Combat is top-tier? What are you on? Literally manual auto battle.
@Stuss.-.y.-.
Ай бұрын
@@T1MOTE1 Sorry if the game is not for you man! Sucks to be left out ig
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