Seeing these scenes made me realise that Tony - who started out as a war profiteer, even if he thought he was only selling to the US Army - cares so much more about lives than Riri. As soon as he gets back, he immediately shuts down his weapons division simply because he saw terrorists had his weapons. He only uses his most dangerous stuff on people we all know definitely deserved it, and when he couldn't take a less lethal approach. Also, the joy of the Iron Man suit was that it looked realistic. It looked like something that theoretically could exist in our world. Ironheart just looks like cheap CGI; it looks like it belongs in a CGI Tv show rather than a multi-million dollar film.
@omegaslayer
Жыл бұрын
Look like someone fused the original Iron Man suit with a Gundam.
@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457
Жыл бұрын
@@omegaslayer Totally unrelated to your reply, but why does the Ironheart suit, remind me of a bee?
@omegaslayer
Жыл бұрын
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Good lord. She’ll literally be a few steps away to appear in a crossover film with Ant Man.
@doctorkrieger4404
Жыл бұрын
Did you by any chance watch he new transformes? 1 to 1 the same suit
@Bilbo122333
Жыл бұрын
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 I was thinking the same thing. She looks like she came out of the cartoon
@TheWiggleTuff
Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy how 75% of the first iron man movie didn’t even feel like a super hero movie. It’s just genuinely a good movie
@MBS..
Жыл бұрын
Same with the Incredible Hulk
@juniorjames7076
Жыл бұрын
There's no way in hell the first Iron Man (or the sequel) could be made today. Every other scene would be "cancelled" today. Kevin Fiege and this crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Utron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES, and it was something special. Avenger's Endgame was literally the END of that Golden Age. Its over. Be excited for whats next in film......
@soaphelps
Жыл бұрын
@@juniorjames7076 i own every marvel movie up to endgame. i havent even seen a marvel movie since endgame. screw the woke trash.
@slowazzd2165
Жыл бұрын
What the fuck does that even mean?
@male_enjoyer
Жыл бұрын
@@MBS..nah you're crazy
@gngrblls2thwall
Жыл бұрын
If she’s already built an iron man suit and a vibranium detector, I wonder what she’s gonna be able to do after she finishes learning differential equations
@vanessac1721
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. That makes no goddamn sense.
@HNedel
Жыл бұрын
Is there even a class called „Differential equations“??? Why is it not calculus? 🤔
@tkmasd9204
Жыл бұрын
@HNedel They wanted something unfamiliar to most people
@dwboston1
Жыл бұрын
@@HNedel I had a Differential Equations class in college, after taking Calculus. That was 30 years ago though.
@HNedel
Жыл бұрын
@@dwboston1 i googled it, MIT offers that course, and even has lectures on it here, through OpenCourseware! Course 18.03 😄 Feel kinda stupid 🙈
@strider029
4 ай бұрын
It would have been acceptable if the kid from Iron Man 3 took the mantle as he's the one who makes much more sense than what we had.
@somerandomuser5155
3 ай бұрын
He looks like discount Garfield Amazing iron man🎉
@LiterallyMe05
3 ай бұрын
The kid from iron man 3 is Tom Holland's spiderman (not Tomm Holland himself, but his character)
@manukau5271
3 ай бұрын
@@LiterallyMe05no it’s the kid from Iron Man 2
@onlydubst4p
3 ай бұрын
no they need gender equality and just that no explanations given no fucks given about plotholes just make the team half girl yeee slaaaaay queeeeeeeeen
@TheWizard1408
3 ай бұрын
@@LiterallyMe05 that's the kid in iron man 2 with the iron man mask on at the end fight
@dmartig1
Жыл бұрын
2/3 of the original Iron Man is watching him develop the suit(s) through trial and error. It was fascinating and when he uses it to save the hostages it all feels so earned.
@seasnaill2589
Жыл бұрын
And thats why Iron Heart here feels unearned, cause we don't see any of that struggle. We just learned her name and ope, she's also a genius who built a special vibranium radar and ope, she already has an ironman suit and ope, ITS ALREADY FUNCTIONAL BITCHES LETS FLY YEEEEEEEEEEEAH!! We get the suit before we get to really see any of her character.
@jedibrooks7235
Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY earned is the key word.
@Byronic19134
Жыл бұрын
Yes because it was IronMan movie while RiRi show has not yet released so the comparison is ridiculous you would have to compare her to Hawkeye or Nat.
@ShovelChef
Жыл бұрын
@@Byronic19134, let's explore that. Nat was undercover as some kind of assistant to Tony in Iron Man 2, right? Then she slowly reveals her fighting abilities on his bodyguard in a comedic boxing scene. Then she plays a decent supporting role in the final battle, as full on Black Widow; knock out some goons without killin em, hack stuff, look hot doing it, see y'all in the next one. I don't know if that's much development? But it's something. I don't remember much of Clint's development in Thor; I'd have to see it again. He has a moment where he could take a killshot at Thor, and for some reason he doesn't. He gets much more to do in the Avengers movies, as does Nat. Personally, even from the glimmers I can remember, I think they're both better written than this version of Iron Heart.
@h5v1y0
Жыл бұрын
Bad take you’re comparing 3 films of character development to a character in a film that isn’t even hers. This makes no sense and Iron man is my favorite character. This it a ridiculous comparison.
@gianmatute7577
Жыл бұрын
One minor detail that Iron Heart lacks is the way her suit plays out, Tony's suit felt heavy, complex, but most importantly realistic, it was a mix of fiction and reailistic along with pretty good visuals, while Iron heart Riri's suit feels looks and feels completelly CGI, and doesnt give the audience an impression of realism
@christopherjakel1049
Жыл бұрын
Poor CGI at that. I could do a hand drawing with Crayola crayons that looks more realistic than that suit.
@SomeRandomJackAss
Жыл бұрын
Also, remind me, do we ever see Riri actually put on either suit? One of the best details throughout Iron Man's film history is the suit-up, from the first wholly mechanical suit-up, to the later CGI nano machines suit, it looked cool and gave insight into how the suit functioned at a glance, while also making it seem believable. IIRC, Riri just appears in the scene in her suit every time.
@marconotonfacebook3480
Жыл бұрын
It's also due to a far less able actor/actress. They want us (the audience) to believe a child can do a man's job...but the opposite is true as we see.
@bumbleguppy
Жыл бұрын
looks like a gundam
@Windy_Artist-Dev
Жыл бұрын
And the suit is totally terrible, even if it had good CGI it has a horrible design.
@kylefrank638
Жыл бұрын
I like how, after Stark's story is so perfectly straightforward, five seconds into summarizing Ironheart's introduction, there's already glaring questions such as "How did she build a detector for a substance that is essentially absent from America... where she developed the detector"
@gilmaguirola
Жыл бұрын
Iron Heart 🤡
@timmortalone8579
Жыл бұрын
Tbf, it isn't implausible that an innovation for one thing is used for another entirely different thing. Radar tech gave birth to Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, which was adapted into the medical instrument we know as the MRI.
@Iron-Bridge
Жыл бұрын
How? Plot and script magic of course 😀🤣
@Iron-Bridge
Жыл бұрын
Question was HOW this particular character... this apparently regular student managed to meet the implausible condition of building a detector for a substance that's not common or local to her reality. 🤦🤷♂️.
@somehighlights2851
Жыл бұрын
I can think of a theoretical way, something in the lines of "Vibranium has this or that characteristic", or reacts to X that other way", things than can be known about the material, but they expect us to assume "she's a genius", and that's it.
@Dangerpurple
4 ай бұрын
The funny thing is, RiRi's teacher in the comics DIDN'T tell her she couldn't do anything, she said she could be anything she wanted, and in the comics riri was UPSET because she wanted to be held back so she could prove someone wrong. She WANTED a chip put on her shoulder. Her origin reads more like a sociopathic villain than a hero, especially with how she steals iron man suit designs.
@johnstrife7
4 ай бұрын
Professional victim
@Kronosdoesshit
3 ай бұрын
And her story was so ass in the comics they sidelined her HARD,but the film makers didn't get that memo
@Argaitlam
2 ай бұрын
@johnstrife7 what to expect from those people? 😅
@yourdad6902
2 ай бұрын
Cry harder loser @@Argaitlam
@Bihgetyokids
2 ай бұрын
@@Argaitlamwhat people?
@perryekwueme996
Жыл бұрын
Rewatching Iron Man was a very weird experience. You can feel how far Marvel has strayed from making special characters.
@rallen7660
Жыл бұрын
You saw the difference between Marvel storytelling, and Disney "storytelling". One was skillful, talented, and full of lessons that apply to everyone. The other was backed up by woke, mouse-driven dollars, aimed at brainwashed cultists.
@Mopark25
Жыл бұрын
Ms Marvel came out last year and everyone loved Kamala
@edsmiley5134
Жыл бұрын
@@Mopark25 I didnt. I couldnt even finish the first episode. Also it has pretty low ratings so you're wrong
@Mopark25
Жыл бұрын
@@edsmiley5134 98% on Rotten Tomatoes and 78% on Metacritic 😂 Looks like you're wrong.
@brittishbrittish7680
Жыл бұрын
Disney has had control over these critic websites ever since shit hit the fan for them. I don't look at these anymore because 90% of THEM are just woke activists who cant be reasoned with just like you 😑
@ForeverLaxx
Жыл бұрын
It says a lot that they knew her comics introduction was so bad that they had to completely re-write it, and they still managed to make it arguably worse. Good job, DisneyMarvel.
@totallynotamimic3522
Жыл бұрын
That's a pretty impressive feat, considering her comic origin included her literally asking her teacher to be racist/sexist towards her so she would have a goal in life. Pretty hard to do worse than that
@geelangadipr223
Жыл бұрын
Marvel already did their job, then disney see their work it became terible.
@wumpusrat
Жыл бұрын
@@totallynotamimic3522 My favorite bit of her comic introduction was the 4-5 panels of her just staring daggers at her teacher because the teacher refused to be racist and sexist at her. I mean...wtf?
@legendarymarston9174
Жыл бұрын
@@wumpusrat ...Please tell me you're joking. How can anyone come up with that?
@Marveryn
Жыл бұрын
@@legendarymarston9174 not a joke that how she was introduce in the comic. What we are seeing in the screen now is how modern comic writers see the world now. Waiting for all the big/ gay hero to start popping out in the next few years in film cause of this.
@Spiney09
Жыл бұрын
When you think about it, Yinsen sort of saved the world by starting Tony down the path of iron man. What a legend.
@rookiegameplay7519
Жыл бұрын
What
@rookiegameplay7519
Жыл бұрын
Who is Yinsen
@Spiney09
Жыл бұрын
@@rookiegameplay7519 the guy who helped Tony in the cave.
@Cho0segoose
Жыл бұрын
There was a deleted scene where Tony saw Yinsen after using the infinity guantlet
@rookiegameplay7519
Жыл бұрын
@@Cho0segoose WHY DO THEY DELETE THOOSE GOOD SCENES. THE SAME WITH SPIDERMAN CALLING THE COPS. THE SAME WITH WHEN (I forgot bros name) SAID THEY COULD COMBINE THEIR BEST (he got hulk muscles and Hulk got his brain)
@Threadnaught
2 ай бұрын
Tony's trauma: Losing both his parents, being ambushed by terrorists using his own weapons, being abducted by those terrorists, being tortured by those terrorists, watching Yinsen his only companion during his captivity die for him, being betrayed by his business partner, having his suit damaged and almost destroyed by the son of his father's former business partner, flying a nuke into a rift portal above New York City and almost dying, being kidnapped by a different terrorist group, seeing his partner be injected with a mutagen by the leader of that terrorist group, creating Ultron, fighting the Hulk, causing the deaths of hundreds of people at Sokovia, almost killing his best friend, learning the identity of the man who killed his parents and being unable to take revenge, realising what having created the Sokovian Accords actually allows the government to do, being beaten and almost killed by the genocidal alien, having his "son" Iron Boy Junior die in his arms as he was killed by said genocidal alien and being stuck on a broken down spaceship for a month. Riri's "trauma": Her teacher once told her "You will never be... Tony Stark." when she was a child.
@Redacted_Theorist
Ай бұрын
So basically, a life story that would make any normal man end it all, vs. Every high-school students day to day interaction with a bad teacher.
@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access
Ай бұрын
@@Redacted_Theorist Yyyyyup. And Disney wants us to root for the spoiled teenager as much as they want us to root for Iron man. Ain’t ever EVER gonna happen
@Redacted_Theorist
Ай бұрын
@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access what makes me really mad is that, compared to Iron Man, this character is written like a 4 year olds original character. She's almost perfect all the time and barely ever loses anything. Really just shows Disney loves reputation. Only problem? Disney thinks representation means "YOU GET ALL THE CASH IN THE WOOORLD!" They really want money all the time, so why not use "representation" all the time! So they take their old movies and were popular, make them a live-action, and cast a "diverse" actor to play the role. Unlike some of their old live-action remakes, they don't even tweak the story a little to keep it original.
@Redacted_Theorist
Ай бұрын
I don't think representation is bad. That is stupid. But taking something already popular and changing it isn't representation, it's lazy. Why not do something like The Princess and the Frog? That had diverse characters but DIDN'T take away from something else.
@optimusprime7243
Ай бұрын
@@Redacted_Theorist oh you mean Ash blac- I mean snow white? Lmfao
@jackalexande
7 ай бұрын
"I am here for the Vibranium detector that you built for the CIA" This line sounds like it was written for a fanfiction
@Sebastian_A_Var_Herman
5 ай бұрын
That’s offensive for good fanfic writers. Yeah, some fics are shit, but there are people who are way more talented than the hacks that wrote this mess
@MyZ001
5 ай бұрын
Yea, if they were writing it to graduate from middle school.
@sudiptakashyapsharma3721
4 ай бұрын
More like a redditor's wet dream
@meatsaucez1516
4 ай бұрын
Not even one line in the movie already shows you how stupid and incompetent the writing is to the point where I can’t stop rolling my eyes
@TheGreatestTerrariaPlayerEver
4 ай бұрын
@@Sebastian_A_Var_Hermanyeah a group made a whole ass elden ring 2 convergence mod that was actually good
@RandomGuy41511
Жыл бұрын
"I came to realize that I have more to offer this world than just making things that blow up." Gets me every time
@Exalted_Truth
Жыл бұрын
Oppenheimer...?
@irrevenant3
Жыл бұрын
@@Exalted_Truth Or Alfred Nobel?
@grahamhill676
Жыл бұрын
@@Exalted_Truth....Tony stark...
@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904
Жыл бұрын
@@Exalted_Truththis can honestly apply to many people, but in the context of this video it's Tony Stark.
@JustapErson
Жыл бұрын
New black girl proceeds to just make things blow up. So poetic.
@SHDW-nf2ki
Жыл бұрын
the thing with the icing scene that made it work so good was tony pulling the air break. His suit had a mechanical system, a back up. Almost like he expected something like this and planned ahead. He didn't just luck out, his genius design had tools he could use and his galaxy brain gave him the insight to use them.
@HI_IM_MIKO
Жыл бұрын
Thats what i'm saying, he had something non digital, a physical system as a failsafe for something like this. Instead, Riri just defies the damn laws of physics and somehow floats above the water after plumeting 1000's of feet. Just looking at tony's scene he understands how to fly when in that situation, instead of trying go straight up and slow himself, he leans into the flight path and pulls up in a curving motion. It's almost like i dunno the people writing these movies were actually trying at the time.
@jjw2520
Жыл бұрын
He's an arms genius. Military hardware is generally designed with several redundant systems in place. He knows his gear so well because he also built it. Cracking writing!
@marcuseleazer3058
Жыл бұрын
Tony learned from his mistake
@omitorrent7492
Жыл бұрын
That’s actually how building and engineering works really, if not you have to be all the time failing and try to understand why
@peterparker9954
Жыл бұрын
Tony always learned from his mistakes Riri is just black
@alphasierrabravo5905
4 ай бұрын
Tony Stark is such a good character that legitimately halfway throughout this video I ABSOLUTELY FORGOT that Ironheart was in here somehow. I was too invested in the breakdown of such a good character I genuinely forgot the video was a comparison.
@natie3322
Жыл бұрын
So many years between the first “I am Ironman” to the last “I am Iron Man.” It was a hell of a payoff and a hell of a ride we went on. Everything after has been a insult to Iron Man, Stan Lee and us.
@sergeantlightning6178
Жыл бұрын
Not everything. Far From Home, No Way Home, Loki, Wandavision, Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Across the Spider-Verse, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 are all good.
@MoojinBoi
Жыл бұрын
@@sergeantlightning6178 hard disagree on half of those
@sergeantlightning6178
Жыл бұрын
@@MoojinBoi I assume you arent a fan of the TV shows?
@sergeantlightning6178
Жыл бұрын
coz GotG 3 and all of the spider-man after were amazing
@rupom5881
Жыл бұрын
@@sergeantlightning6178Wandavision sucked hard. The episodes in the Next were Amazing but at the end, It became a Hypocrite movie. If they followed the formula of the First few episodes and didn't chicken out, It would have been the best TV show. Across the Spiderverse Is easily the best choice there.
@AC-ut3nk
Жыл бұрын
It start with "Doesn't waste your life" and ended with Tony used his life to save the entire galaxy. He is the real ironman.
@Man_Aslume
Жыл бұрын
*Universe Yup, Iron Man did not
@irrevenant3
Жыл бұрын
Yes, Tony is an amazing character and RDJ did an amazing job of playing him. No-one's going to replace Tony and Riri isn't an attempt to do so, she's a different character. Let's give her a chance to find her feet rather than hating on her before her show's even dropped.
@Kai97119
Жыл бұрын
@@irrevenant3sorry man last time that logic was used we got She-Hulk.
@irrevenant3
Жыл бұрын
@@Kai97119 Are you advocating that we should default to disliking any character that isn't immediately great? So we should be hating on Thor and Hulk for their mediocre starts, and maybe even Dr Strange (who, let's face it, was pretty much a lame Tony Stark rip off in his first film - he didn't really hit his stride until Infinity War)? Personally I thought She-Hulk was fine. Not amazing, and not without its flaws (for starters can we please have more actual legal scenes in a series called She-Hulk: Attorney at Law?), but the more laid back/slice-of-life approach to superheroing was a nice change of pace. And the show was overall pretty fun, as was the meta-commentary angle (and yes, I agree Deadpoil did it better, but it was still fun enough here). Series 1 was decent and I'm hopeful that series 2 will iron out some of the kinks and be even better.
@Kai97119
Жыл бұрын
@@irrevenant3 comparing Thor and Hulk's first movie to the mediocre as fuck She-Hulk show is not only insulting but just flat out embarrassing. I'd happily rewatch their origins than have to witness She-Hulk twerk.
@veritasome5965
Жыл бұрын
That atrocious suit design is enough to inspire hatred all by itself. She never struggled, she never failed and she never reached a profound realization of her inadequacies in order to grow from it and become a better person. She’s just written to be not only as good but even better than Tony Stark while doing absolutely nothing to earn it, it’s insulting and one of many reasons comic fans despise her.
@elephant_rap
Жыл бұрын
She has enough fans to be put in a movie tho lol 😂 she did struggle it just wasn’t in the movie 🎥 people are just mad her suit is better than Tony’s Tony’s suit is made of gold titanium alloy, her suit is made of vibranium which is stronger. The suits are powered by the same arc reactor. Therefore her suit is stronger as it has better defence vibranium is stronger than gold-titanium that’s just facts. Captain America ripped off Tony’s helmet with his bare hands. So you are factually wrong. Imagine all these people getting upset over fictional characters they must really have no lives. U can’t say she has no struggle when her dad literally died that’s a struggle and she’s from low income. And anyone saying “go read a comic” ok nerds I’ll read the comic and still like her character. You all can’t handle someones opinion. Nobody cares that you like tony stark better and tons of people love she hulk and ms marvel is the greatest marvel project ever made. Rdj is the best iron man actor but get over yourselves all you are being d riders and have been brainwashed by his acting in over 7 movies and the comics you like and are comparing that to 15 minutes of screen time lol. Tony’s character is arrogant and u say she can’t be? Sounds racist to me… Get a grip on reality , touch a whole lot of grass because only corny internet people care about getting “ratioed” I couldn’t care less when I have a song out on Spotify with 110,000 plays. Can’t wait for iron heart to come out!!!! Bc she will be back whether you like it or not!!!! SO I WIN!!!! :D keep arguing like a bunch of nerds . Oh yeah and TONY IS DEAD LOL 🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦 His daughter gonna get a iron man suit without earning it too!! They are all nerds who go to Comic-Con and simp for fictional characters I’m not even dissing just stating facts. They want to fit in so bad they agree with whatever everyone else thinks about comics so that they won’t lose their identity and fake friends. They’re starved for attention and their only friend is tony stark bc they feel alone in a cave their whole life and need a suit of comic book armor to get friends and will spend all their money at comic con to feel included in something. Way to stick your ground and not stoop to their level of insults just because of differing opinions. That shows character in todays day and age where people will agree with everyone else bc they need likes to feel secure about themselves were talking about the MOVIES and a comic getting cancelled doesn’t mean anything. There’s a number of factors which cause comics to do well such as the economy I didn’t get ratioed…. All your comments got 0 likes and mine got 9. So you got ratioed actually! Thanks for watching
@veritasome5965
Жыл бұрын
@@elephant_rap I have my doubts about a fan base considering her comic sales tanked and was subsequently canceled. And her suit was never explained either, she just magically built it. Why? She was essentially handed the position of Iron Man while being shown to do nothing to be worthy of it. That’s why her comic sales tanked so hard alongside Ms Marvel, comic readers can’t respect a hero with no redeeming personality or flaws who you’re expected to celebrate by writers who keep overtly shoehorning them in as perfect when they’re just arrogant, condescending and toxic.
@XaadeTheBlade
Жыл бұрын
@@elephant_rap Uh no. Tony's last suit would have put hers in the ground in 10 seconds.
@FROST-ui5fr
Жыл бұрын
its crazy how you guys are shitting on her already
@veritasome5965
Жыл бұрын
@@FROST-ui5fr Already? She’s been around for awhile now, there’s just nothing compelling about her.
@Mio96UwU
3 ай бұрын
If that Harley kid from iron man 3 become the next iron man it would be better and makes more sense. Here's why: -His life was saved by tony -He knew peter parker -He is a smart mf -He gave tony the idea to make iron man suit more stealthy while just being an 11 year old kid -He actually have a solid relationship with Tony which gave him a clear reason to become the next iron man (Extra reason) He look handsome af in endgame [im not a simp]
@NaisanSama
2 ай бұрын
Last one is valid
@azureblue9829
2 ай бұрын
valid
@DarthAwesome117
2 ай бұрын
Last one is entirely valid tbf, this is Marvel after all.
@JADE-vw3ff
2 ай бұрын
Last one was valid He is also hotter than that brat heart tbh...
@thomassantino392
2 ай бұрын
This is a chick and she's black, that's hollywoods reason to do anything
@curtisbryce5096
Жыл бұрын
My question is, "How the hell could she afford building a suit"? I think Tony spent millions of dollars on his.
@SilencedHalo
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Its just piss poor writing and plot holes all around. We know how Tony was able to afford the ability to build his suit, because hes a fucking tech mogul and a massive industry giant, literally a massive weapons manufacturer and multi billionaire. Building the suit to him was probably STILL just a drop in the bucket overall, everything included. But to some fucking college student working out of a bumfuck nowhere warehouse where you'd have to steal everything at best? No way you'd be able to buy even HALF of the stuff you'd need at that tech level, god forbid assemble most of it with your bare hands. Tony had the machinery to build most of his stuff, where the hell did RiRi get the machinery to build and refine her metals and tech? I dont see any metal presses or forges in that warehouse lmao. Such a shit written character, Marvel has gone so far downhill
@digitalcurrents
Жыл бұрын
Millions of dollars?? "Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!"
@phageling9949
Жыл бұрын
@@digitalcurrentsyeah, the bad one that fell apart soon after usage.
@batperson3532
11 ай бұрын
@@digitalcurrentsthose box of scraps are full of components used to build WMDs. What Obadiah meant was that Tony didn't have the industrial grade equipment and resources his engineers have at their disposal not that he literally had to work with just a box of scraps lmao.
@krishp1104
11 ай бұрын
also it doesn't matter how intelligent you are but marvel made this girl do things that apparently no one in the world at 17 just because she's the main character
@kingleonidas2182
Жыл бұрын
Dang. It really is eye opening to realize how little we see the heroes actually saving people anymore.
@misterchubbikins
Жыл бұрын
Tbf, protecting ppl other than themselves is not a feminine trait.
@kamerasengan
Жыл бұрын
@@misterchubbikins Yeah, mothers famously don't have any instincts to protect their children whatsoever. Wtf kind of take is this lmao
@misterchubbikins
Жыл бұрын
@@kamerasengan *laughs in abortion* The fact that so many women lost their shit when scotus said they can't murder babies anymore is the basis of my take. If women instinctively cared about anyone but themselves, Roe v Wade would have never been a thing.
@fluffylittlebear
Жыл бұрын
@@kamerasengan Your own children don't count. How many women would risk their lives to save a stranger?
@kamerasengan
Жыл бұрын
@@fluffylittlebear Plenty, I'm sure. Saving people isn't a man thing or a woman thing, just depends on that person's disposition, morals, bravery, etc. Also, your own children do count, the person I was responding to said "protecting people other than themselves", your children are not yourself. That's still being selfless and having protective instincts for other people.
@mirror2760
Жыл бұрын
Honestly her lack of care for others is what puts me off her. A character's morality is one of the most interesting things about them. It will determine their actions, goals and ideals throughout their show. If it is established that a character doesn't care about innocents then a scene where they ignore people dying to further their own goals makes sense. But if their goals involve getting involved in a war to save other innocent people it makes you question why they are so willing to help one group but not another.
@Lobsterwithinternet
Жыл бұрын
That's easy: The people she killed earlier were all evil white ‘colonizers’. While the people she’s going to war with are ‘her own people’.
@GerardGousman
Жыл бұрын
She's a angsty teenager focused on her education. She was on scholarship at MIT, don't go to class she gets kicked out. The gravity of the situation isn't gonna set in instantly.
@RealGateGuardian
Жыл бұрын
Riri is actually WORSE in the movie from what I've seen. She's a terrible character in the comics as well. She is 100% unlikeable.
@glint6070
Жыл бұрын
@@GerardGousman They can show that, hell, 20 seconds of film showing her getting incredibly anxious & panicky when she gets caught in traffic or something while she needs to get to class, or maybe just a small phone call with her parents telling them how proud they are of her getting into MIT, or maybe, BOTH Also, once its established, it can't just be dropped, there have to be continuous scenes where there is conflict between pursuing a conventional education & her heroic goals; hell, show her on the verge of getting on academic probation, trying to argue her way out with the fact she's saving lives, & the structure of academia is just refusing to accommodate her because it's not their problem There are many, many ways to do this, this is why he makes the point that nothing is wasted in the original Iron Man, they make use of every second, while here they just seemingly don't understand the value of time at all
@IPA300
Жыл бұрын
It’s not your job to defend bad writing. It’s Marvel/Disney’s job to, among other things, produce good writing. You should be chastising Disney for writing crap, instead of doing mental gymnastics to pretend it’s not crap.
@cb-gz1vl
3 ай бұрын
6:32 - That burger king shot was a call back to Downey at his lowest in his career going through a drive through and sitting in his car eating a Whopper and contemplating how low he had gotten. He said that's when he turned around.
@LuoSon312_G8
Ай бұрын
imagine being so depressed, you cannot enjoy a cheeseburger or hamburger.
@zNEKOMARUz
Жыл бұрын
Tony: Went through hell to develop his technology. Was kidnapped and almost died due to his friend betraying him. Spent years developing his suit that not a single other person could figure out how to make by themselves. Riri: Somehow figured out how to make an ironman suit offscreen.
@sugartoothYT
Жыл бұрын
How did she build a vibranium detector? I haven't seen the movie, but the summarizations of the plot have made it seem like she never had any vibranium to study.
@zNEKOMARUz
Жыл бұрын
@@sugartoothYT she made it through the power of Mary Sue.
@mrkrono
Жыл бұрын
I think it's worth noting that she was an MIT student, with MIT being the alma mater of Tony Stark, who was not only a guest lecturer but also funded research grants for students from urban city schools, which would apply to Riri (assuming she lived in the actual city of Chicago and not a suburb of it I guess). When you combine that with the growing awareness of Stark tech and various superhero mumbo jumbo (think Vulture and his acquisition of Chitari tech), it's not above the realm of possibility that a young, gifted student could learn to make a fairly janky (in its first iteration) Ironman suit, the same way we can believe that a young, gifted, aspiring MIT student Peter Parker can design his own web shooters and use Stark tech to build a new suit at the end of FFH.
@brendenhawley2225
Жыл бұрын
@@mrkrono It would of been an neat inversion of the general comic book tech stasis to have the reason, Riri is able to build Ironman suit is because tech has advanced. It kind of shows that by having her finish her suit in Wakanda where a Ironman suit is way less cutting edge.
@hurrdurrmurrgurr
Жыл бұрын
@@brendenhawley2225 If she's got one because tech advanced then you've invalidated super heroes. Every law enforcement agency and army should have it.
@Sjono
9 ай бұрын
Ironheart’s “whooo” during the final battle just shows how disconnected she is from the plot. The Wakandans are fighting a series life and death battle and she’s treating that event like she’s on a roller coaster, desensitized to the carnage around her and how this battle is happening *because of her.*
@сергейКурмыза-щ4й
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, having fun, while other people down there were fighting for their life. How disgusting!
@Fuck_handles
6 ай бұрын
Maybe she's related to Bruce Wayne XD
@aitoluxd
6 ай бұрын
The commenter above me is a bot. DON'T take the bait.
@Fuck_handles
6 ай бұрын
@@aitoluxd did I say something about batman here? KZitem doesn't show me my own comments and replies for some reason(hey maybe i am a bot) and I've no other explanation for getting a notification of your reply rn so, I'm just curious XD
@Silverwing2112
6 ай бұрын
I love how we can't report bots for being bots, we'd have to pick one of YT's frankly super limited report categories.
@runecowman
Жыл бұрын
As a wise man once said, 'Because Tony learns from his mistakes.' but the new characters cannot make any mistakes because they are so awesome. With all of the new movies coming out being disappointing it's weird seeing how different the film's are that got me into this genre in the first place.
@peacemaster8117
Жыл бұрын
"Tony learns from his mistakes" And yet the very last thing he does in the MCU is give a weapon of mass destruction to a teenager, resulting in the partial destruction of London. It's almost like he learned nothing at all.
@Oturan20
Жыл бұрын
@@peacemaster8117 Tony was already _dead._ Once someone dies they are not responsible for anything that may result from their death.
@mobgabriel1767
Жыл бұрын
@@peacemaster8117 how can someone learn from a mistakes if said person was dead?
@Goodgu3963
Жыл бұрын
@@peacemaster8117 This is not an example of a mistake that Tony made, but a mistake of writing. Tony would have had a plan, a way for Jarvis or someone else to find his replacement, or a method for making sure his tech didn't fall into the wrong hands. Instead the writers got lazy and threw it away as a lazy plot device.
@northernpolaris9895
Жыл бұрын
peter didnt fuck up, it was the other dude (forgot his name)@@peacemaster8117
@Gus_Bosniyskiy
2 ай бұрын
I feel like Thanos snapped away not only half of the MCU's population, but also a good chunk of good MCU screenwriters, which Hulk forgot to restore. RIP cool MCU
@Keitto191
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: in the original comics Riri’s teacher originally supported her and said she could do anything she put her mind to. However Riri wanted to feel oppressed and basically demanded her teacher tell her the opposite. Fed up with it the teacher said “Fine, you can’t be like Iron Man.” So there you have it Ironheart’s story is she wanted to be better then Tony Stark, whereas Iron Man’s story is that he wanted to be better then the man he was. Edit: Wow, thanks for so many likes guys! 😊
@bryanwoods3373
Жыл бұрын
"What inspired you to be a hero?" Peter: "Uncle Ben taught me that with great power must also come great responsibility." Miles: "I watched my Peter kill himself saving people during a crisis." Bruce: "I became irradiated during a gamma bomb test and wanted to use my curse as a blessing." Riri: "My 3rd grade teacher bet me I couldn't outdo Tony Stark."
@enzoongweekiat1711
Жыл бұрын
@@bryanwoods3373 worse than that it’s more of ‘I forced my teacher to say that I can’t be iron man’
@syler100
Жыл бұрын
@@enzoongweekiat1711 and the forced Teacher was right she can't...
@no.1spidey-fan182
Жыл бұрын
All they had to do was have her teacher believe in her but because theres soooo many geniuses in the marvel universe SHE doesn't believe in HERSELF. She thinks that she is just a fish in a VAST ocean So they add a "healthy" level of insecurity that can be used to build her character from Essentially make her opposite of Tony who was always good at what he did. Pompous and full of himself at first Riri would be this over achiever always trying to outdo herself. And sometimes getting so far ahead of herself she could have to face dire consequences because of how much she wanted her invention to be the next great thing. Looking up to Tony and seeing how he changed for the better, this would inspire her to take it slower and put her technology to better use. Thinking a little more before she acts in the line of "some things should just never be made" I made all this up the moment I began typing this comment btw so its a little rough😂. But this character is NOT that hard to make compelling especially since she is a deritive which marvel ALREADY cracked the formula for back in the 70s... All they had to do was follow their own formula that they used for characters like the OG comic She Hulk by essentially flipping the script which gains acess to a whole new set of potentoal stories
@Sorain1
Жыл бұрын
@@no.1spidey-fan182 Thing is, your writing for a Heroic character, and the writers over there don't understand what heroism is. So they write villains without understanding that. Both Riri's original and this introduction are solid Villain origins. Someone who wants an excuse for their behavior and seeks one, and someone who puts no value in the world and people outside of herself. Classic villain archetypes.
@funsterkeyven
Жыл бұрын
Yeah this whole "i like her" is so annoyingly manipulative but it represents the narcissistic emotional bullshit of the writers nicely.
@neomilw4703
Жыл бұрын
They write that line “I like her” desperate to tell you how to feel. Rather than actually writing well and you authentically liking the character.
@daCATgraphics
Жыл бұрын
In my experience when someone is rude to you the last thing you want to say is "I like this one". Not only lazy writing (because they keep doing it) but utter nonsense in a real social situation
@shawklan27
Жыл бұрын
When thor said that he liked captain mahvel in endgame I just roll my eyes. It's like the writers were pressuring me to like her.
@neomilw4703
Жыл бұрын
An additional observation. Black Panther 2 was a challenging movie. Asking backup characters to try to carry a whole movie. Extremely poor time to introduce a whole new character (iron heart). Her whole presence seemed forced and like terrible writing
@intboom
Жыл бұрын
I've seen it in Marvel, ST:D, NewStarWars, basically any franchise that's gone to shit in the past 4/5 years seems to use this.
@stewartmullings1552
Жыл бұрын
12:18 "Now we're in the no accountability era where nothing matters. Superheroes no longer save people." PERFECT. We could apply that to so many of the more recent Marvel movies. There's this phenomenon we see in these movies and in comics too (especially where the main character is a woman or minority) where the main characters make bad to wrong decisions, but the story treats them as great or correct ones simply because the story only exists to make the character look good. No accountability or consequence.
@brendenhawley2225
Жыл бұрын
I am not sure they need to be a woman or minority, protagonist centered morality can involve guys too. Heck Ironman does flat out attempt to murder a person in civil war and while he shown in a bad place by the end of it, that line is pretty quickly dropped. Poor writing is a tale of old as time, and they will attempt to use anything to shield poor writing, In a way it was amazing the MCU was as consistently good as it was for so long.
@IMPERPLEXING
Жыл бұрын
i think that’s why despite Tom Hollands spiderman being new MCU, it’s still overall liked by people.. he saves people
@bable6314
Жыл бұрын
@@brendenhawley2225 You misread the comment.
@Dbishop12
Жыл бұрын
@@IMPERPLEXINGhe often is the reason they are in danger in the first place
@peterparker9954
Жыл бұрын
GOTG vol 3 could be the LAST good MCU film EVER ! And to me, that was the perfect ending to the MCU ! I'm officially done with this franchise ! There is absolutely NOTHING left to look forward to in this franchise held by an evil studio like Disney
@baylen8695
4 ай бұрын
I still have no idea why they couldn't have made Harley the new Iron Man. The worldbuilding was already there.
@WanderTheNomad
4 ай бұрын
I think we already know what the reason is, even if we don't like it... 😮💨
@moe5020
4 ай бұрын
@@WanderTheNomad real reason is likely because ironman 3 was poorly received and they basically had to soft-retcon that whole movie
@WanderTheNomad
4 ай бұрын
@@moe5020 What did they soft-retcon? Edit: actually what even is soft-retconning?
@moe5020
4 ай бұрын
@@WanderTheNomad it was soft-retconned as in it was basically just ignored as part of Tony's arc going forward. Him retiring at the end and his general headspace are forgotten and age of ultron continues from avengers 1 like the events of Iron Man 3 never happened. So they can't really bring back harley because Tony already has a protege in Peter and it would be very jarring for harley to just be re-retconned back into being relevant.
@WanderTheNomad
4 ай бұрын
@@moe5020 I thought Thor the Dark World was as poorly received as Iron Man 3, but that didn't really get soft-retconned
@ady_kotidou
Жыл бұрын
There's something so heartbreaking about seeing the downfall of a franchise you used to absolutely love..
@AnjBias
Жыл бұрын
I can't help but respond to this over-dramatic silliness, being heartbroken about comic book movies is cringey. I gotta share my own exaggerated take that these extreme reactions like heartbreak for the most trivial things and indifference to more pressing issues is why our society is really fucked up. 😊
@ady_kotidou
Жыл бұрын
@@AnjBias You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. I don't care if you believe my reaction is extreme. This video is specifically referring to the subject, and therefore you should have expected comments like mine. Do you really believe that someone's comment for a franchise on a video that's *specifically* made for it is why society is fucked? Do you also believe that app reviews on Google Play contribute to how fucked up society is? You don't make any sense.
@Zionswasd
Жыл бұрын
@@AnjBias Um, no, no, art and storytelling have always and always will inspire morality in society if we care about them and make them right; it's actually those like you that are the reason why our society is really fucked up. You have no empathy, kid, you're a prejudiced sociopath.
@lulu111_the_cool
Жыл бұрын
@@AnjBiasoh of that is cringy. What is your response. I don't know a word that would describe cringe 1000 worse. Yeah there are some more important problems. But does that mean I can't enjoy stuff. And say my opinion if the enjoyment is taken from me because of shitty writing?
@xaalcarlsonanimations1539
Жыл бұрын
@@AnjBiasfound the activist who doesn’t care about anything other than their political agenda.
@Neutral_Tired
6 ай бұрын
One of the best ways to make a believably intelligent character is to show them encountering problems, failing, and then innovating solutions to those problems. That's something Tony does all the time. There are entire youtube videos devoted to listing the number of features in his creations that are actually solutions to problems in previous films. Everything from different ways to summon his armour to the fact that Peter's suit had a heater in it. I somehow doubt Riri is ever going to fail in a significant way, let alone have opportunities to improve and make sure it doesn't happen again.
@gottagoMS123
5 ай бұрын
Even Spiderman does this very well.
@Devansh.Srivastava
4 ай бұрын
@@gottagoMS123 True,both Tony and his son learn from their mistakes
@user-bb7kg8jx4g
4 ай бұрын
Because Tony learned from his mistakes!
@parthpatel9602
4 ай бұрын
Ohh riri failed but she failed on the box office😂 and that she cannot learn from 😅
@somethingsus2144
3 ай бұрын
Marvel: fuck character development, i would make her instantly op
@nikosfilipino
8 ай бұрын
12:19 "Now we're in the no accountability era..." Iron Man 2008 Press conference scene: "I saw young Americans killed by the very weapons i created to protect and defend them. I saw that I had become part of the very system that has become comfortable with zero accountability." Tony understood that with great power comes great responsibility. It's why he was pro-Sokovia Accords, why he wanted to take the fight to thanos, and why he ultimately chose to snap his fingers. He was willing to be accountable for every life that crossed paths with his, and why he was willing to sacrifice his life in iron man 1, avengers 1, infinity war, and endgame.
@Ben92-z80
4 ай бұрын
Especially sacrificing himself in Endgame to defeat Thanos.
@brainloading5543
3 ай бұрын
And avengers 2 when he blew up sokovia.
@OskG
3 ай бұрын
Perfectly well said
@LordTyph
3 ай бұрын
I think part of his favor towards the accords is because he didn't want to lose everyone. One of the things that he's scared of is that he might fail to protect others. And he started regretting siding with the accords once he saw how the heroes who opposed them got treated (to the point where it took someone hitting the trauma button with a hammer to get him to go back to attacking Steven and Bucky). It's not ENTIRELY accountability... but I think that definitely came up when he saw what his 'side' was doing. And definitely comes up with his treatment of Peter.
@tugitbrothers3699
Ай бұрын
He was the man to sacrifice himself where Cap said he wouldn’t
@xingyujiang3003
Ай бұрын
Having a kid mass murdering people is insane.
@JustTooDamnHonest
Жыл бұрын
Yet somehow they want us to believe that these are the new Avengers to take on the next Thanos threat? Yeah that is complete BS and Kang was already defeated twice and therefore is not a Thanos level villain.
@moondawwg
Жыл бұрын
Those ants from Quantumania are way more prepared to be the next avengers than any of these knock off characters. Nick fury needs to recruit those ants asap.
@requiempurge530
Жыл бұрын
@@moondawwg Call it the "Antvengers" eh.
@terminator572
Жыл бұрын
What the fuck even is a "Thanos level" what's this a fucking JRPG? Does Thanos have +400 energy resist or what?
@zerowolf0006
Жыл бұрын
They are smart ants 🐜
@qrowing
Жыл бұрын
Defeated by JUST Ant Man no less. What the hell are they doing over there?
@mr_0n10n5
Жыл бұрын
I like the fact that he touched on the one aspect of heroes that I think is sorely missing. These heroes don't save people anymore or don't care about being good. 😢
@Byronic19134
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Strange cares about saving people he is literally in charge of reality. Spiderman cares about saving people and being good. Thor cares about saving people, saving kids, and being good. Ant-Man cares about being good and takes selfies with people. GOTG cared for and saved both people and animals in the final act. Shazam was saving people and cared about being good. Bucky and Sam saved people and are good. Shxt even Black Adam was saving people in his movie. So who are we talking about exactly? And why do you think this?
@Scientist-exe
Жыл бұрын
@@Byronic19134 I read a comment above about Dr Strange casting a spell on a vendor to himself for 3 weeks for no reason. Now that I think about it, I cannot recall Dr Strange saving, only fighting.
@izzanirfan2534
Жыл бұрын
They're soldiers now,do things not for good,but for a cause
@squeezyjibbz7407
Жыл бұрын
@@Byronic19134You didn't watch the part where Riri blew up a bunch of cops did you? Or do you conveniently leave that out because it makes your moronic perspective look even more so?
@user-uc4vg4rg9e
Жыл бұрын
@@Byronic19134 seems hes referring to how this iron woman didnt seem to care about dropping a drone on those police officers and or how she could have just flown through the roof but chose to blast an officer in the face before doing so
@moviehermit5631
Жыл бұрын
What really weakens Riri as a character is that this wasn’t her movie. She’s essentially a plot device in Shuri’s movie designed to be the crux of the war between the Talokan’s and Wakandan’s. Her origin is a sub plot of someone else’s story, so the details and actual character work in it is skimmed over so they can get straight to the action for a future project. We get a few lines with generic emotion about her dad and the work she’s done, then straight back to the same style of quips that everybody has because CGI and humour has become a crutch the MCU has become addicted to abusing. Similar thing with America Chavez in Multiverse of Madness. We get a bit about her backstory, a small arc about her learning to control her power via a 30 second motivational speech, and most importantly… a walking plot device to serve as the crux of the conflict within the story. Marvel is so obsessed with introducing as many new characters as they can for future projects that they sacrifice actual character development and writing to slap them into a bigger character’s story so they can churn out another dozen projects within a year (at least)
@soyUsernameWasTaken
Жыл бұрын
Yeah since gwen can get a really strong story in what basically a miles morales movie, I'm sticking with "MCU is spiraling downward." They used to know how to do this. I mean black widow is developed in every other superhero's movies. War machine, falcon, loki, goddam wong. They used to know how to make good stories for side characters.
@izukumidoriya8600
Жыл бұрын
plus not only was America not developed the main character wasn't even Strange in that movie it was Wanda with the second character being America
@whitefang2312
Жыл бұрын
I think it would work really well if it was reversed. Make the new character the main character, and have them be part of the stories of other characters. We could've followed Riri and have her roped into the Talokan and Wakandan conflict, but it followed HER, not Shuri. I don't really like that because I want focus on Shuri too, but it would at least make us care for the new characters too
@WebSpyder777
Жыл бұрын
@@soyUsernameWasTaken Black Widow got precisely ZERO character development in Iron Man 2, the film where she was introduced.
@XxIcedecknightxX
Жыл бұрын
It allows then to not fully commit to a character but also try to gauge how much the audience likes the character.
@HighWayGaming64
4 ай бұрын
Phase 1 of Marvel is truly marvelous, they able to combine Sci-fi (Iron Man), Fantasy (Thor), War (Captain America) and Horror (Hulk) to make The Avengers. Today's Marvel Phases are all Fantasy :/ to me at least.
@yeshuaislord3058
Ай бұрын
That's what made early marvel so good, you hit the nail on the head. You really got to know and understand these characters, they were flawed but overcame and changed in a way that is enjoying to see. Now it's all CGI and quips. I do not look forward to anything marvel does and I do not allow my children to watch anything marvel or Disney does, phase 2 was still good and had great movies, even some in phase 3 still maintained those aspects that were in the early MCU but they should've stopped at endgame
@HighWayGaming64
Ай бұрын
@@yeshuaislord3058 Yep =w= you can see their development :3 Feels like Thor gets the worst development, next to Hulk after endgame :/
@InternetGravedigger
Жыл бұрын
Even in the comics, Riri Williams was problematic. While she was a genius, she was only able to build the suit because she had access to one of the Iron Man suits and reverse-engineered it. On top of that, she made it with parts stolen from her school, then when campus security caught on to her theft she flew off in the suit...
@avroarchitect1793
10 ай бұрын
So a super theif instead of a Super Hero? No wonder people hate her Character.
@es83stevenson88
9 ай бұрын
Don't forget she shot the cops too
@brandocalrissian3294
9 ай бұрын
She also kills tons of innocent people
@protorhinocerator142
8 ай бұрын
@@es83stevenson88 Let me guess, they were RACIST cops? I'm assuming because I never felt the need to pay money to follow such shallow characters.
@OneBiasedOpinion
8 ай бұрын
They can’t put that in a movie where the main character is a “brave and diverse” role model. Can you imagine the hilarity that would ensue if this version of Riri shot cops and stole priceless tech?
@nguyendamable
11 ай бұрын
Who tf else think the kid in Ironman 3 is a better choice for Ironheart -both character and actor himself? His connection with Tony has already been established: he’s crafty and resourceful; he was Tony’s first mentee; he inspired Tony and helped him get through panic attack. He’s funny and an underdog, and his backstory was brief but already touched And Ty Simpkins can act circle around Riri any day of the week But noooo, let’s honor the original comic even though Disney has virtually desecrated all original stories since 2020
@COCCOMOJOE
10 ай бұрын
You know why they want ironheart to be the original unlike most of the others. I just think its funny they did not have her steal it like in the original.
@ThisIsWhereTheFunBegins8588
10 ай бұрын
lol disney just needed another black woman in the movie like the 99% of the cast weren't them
@someone24688
10 ай бұрын
Or they could just have rhodey, people like him. Although I guess secret invasion messed that up
@neurotic3015
10 ай бұрын
Yeah but they couldn't risk the backlash they'd get for making them a white man. After all, didn't you know 90% of a characters value comes from their race and gender?
@fourcgames7568
10 ай бұрын
That's impossible. He's too white and too male for the role. Can't have that in 2023, every character has to be anything but a white male, because reasons.
@samuelspace101
10 ай бұрын
In the first 10 minutes of iron man we learn -who tony is -why he’s there/what’s his intent -what he thinks -feel bad for him -understand he’s the good guy -watch him beat up the bad guys -he’s a genius In the first 10 minutes of iron heart we learn -she’s an ass x3 -she’s a murderer x10+ -she has iron man suit (somehow) -idk
@Looona_fan
7 ай бұрын
10/10 description
@MthaMenMon
7 ай бұрын
- she might end up being a forced love interest for the next wakanda Queen
@Looona_fan
7 ай бұрын
@@MthaMenMon correction: She WILL end up as a love interest for the next queen.
@rahulraju1814
6 ай бұрын
@@Looona_fan i don't like the character but the reason why they had to avoid her origin is because it's a black panther movie (which also suck apart from tribute and namour scenes)
@juukoisaac9421
6 ай бұрын
Aside the bad writing, the movie wasn't for iron heart 😂
@SpiffySpecs
4 ай бұрын
There was a scene in the first Ghostbusters movie where the Ghostbusters are in an elevator, wearing their proton packs. I think it was Eagon who said "we are wearing untested nuclear reactors on our backs..." Ray and Peter try to distance themselves from Eagon as much as possible, while riding in a cramped elevator, also wearing those same "untested nuclear reactors" on their backs. All this happened within a scope of three minutes. Now that's GOOD writing.
@rileedavis397
Жыл бұрын
Tony created a new kind of technology in order to escape his captors and fight for his freedom. He then went on to use that technology for the good of mankind after seeing all the harm his weapons had caused. Riri built a machine to spite her teacher because he said she sucked and that she couldn't do it. This machine started a war that got innocent people killed, and when asked to help she tells them to fuck off because she has math class. These two are not the same. Fantastic breakdown.
@cdouble_you
Жыл бұрын
Um, I disagree. Tony's arrogance and ego displayed in Age of Ultron definitely contradicts this. Where his technology (an A.I. global peace initiative) once again threatens human lives. Despite Ultron's 200% failure to full-fill this, he gambles on the creation of Vision... There are many situations simular to this. Riri lacks character development, yes. And had the unfortunate circumstance of being casted during lower teir period of MCU's story writing history. However, her contribution to major historical technological developments at a young age, despite the discrimination she faces as a Black person in America/the world is impressive to say the least. Tony stark is an egotistical billionaire philanthropist who made his fortunes on wars and the deaths of millions of people worldwide. Riri, also a genius, works well with others and has made countless positive strides in comparison to Tony. No they are absolutely not the same.
@slingeroftruth
Жыл бұрын
@@cdouble_you, grow up. They were both human, ignorance is pure bigotry over skin color and equity is nothing but a free ride to appropriate. Did you even watch Iron Man? He saved the entire freaking universe, moron. She can do her own thing, big get off the iron man Tony Stark hate, he brought her up and helped another genius. MSheU only ruined a good story from comics, but it's still all fiction.
@slingeroftruth
Жыл бұрын
Genius oppression is real or something?
@shreysharma726
Жыл бұрын
shes gonna attend the gender ideology class....where she would be given puberty blockers
@peacemaster8117
Жыл бұрын
@@cdouble_you "despite the discrimination she faces as a Black person in America" But she doesn't seem to be disadvantaged in the slightest. When we meet her she's enjoying a privileged lifestyle in a prestigious college. You're right about Tony though, he definitely ended up hurting a lot of people. He's to blame for Iron Monger, Ultron, the Sokovia Accords, and that stupid drone-powered assassination system he gave to a teenager in Far From Home. The MCU's overarching narrative definitely tells us that Tony changed, but his actual actions show that he was constantly causing huge problems for everyone from start to end.
@quinncykaluzniak7231
11 ай бұрын
ya know, ironheart was a part of the comics, and was an intern working under tony stark, trying to learn all she could, if we had at least that, there'd be something to build from. but no, not even that, they took a shell of a character meant to say to an audience "look, we're inclusive too!!" and hollowed her out even more
@Gamer9o
10 ай бұрын
She cant be tonys intern ... then she would not be STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN xD
@quinncykaluzniak7231
10 ай бұрын
@@Gamer9o that's the point, that's what went into her shell, yet at least with it she was grounded, this is just... no
@dodgingrain3695
10 ай бұрын
Agreed some of the MCU movies are not about inclusivity and not about storytelling, that's a big part of the problem as well. The point is to not care about race and respect the character's traditions. Having a Spanish snow white is just as much of an insult as having a white Malcom X would be.
@DSxGoldSilver
10 ай бұрын
If they implemented that, that would’ve make a lot more sense and I would’ve like her a bit but nope
@starcatcherksp1517
10 ай бұрын
Employees are still technically independent of their lives. But in the US they're just slaves@@Gamer9o
@izaakjohnson2723
Жыл бұрын
Y'all remember that scene from Civil War where Rhodes gets hit by Vision 's beam and starts free falling. Rhodes LOST consciousness from the G's and spiraling (EVEN THOUGH HE'S AN EXPERIENCED PILOT). He didn't get dumb luck like Riri. He hit the ground and got PARALYZED. But Riri, lost consciousness due to low oxygen, and free called spiraled too. Shouldn't she, being not a experience pilot, still had remained unconscious because of the G's too? Instead her Ironheart armor is also fitted with resourceful plot armor too, and she miraculously wakes up AND SLOWS DOWN just before she hit the water. When I watched that scene, I wasn't even nervous or anxious for her. I was just mad at the sad fact of poor writing.
@detectiveplays
Жыл бұрын
I mean in Rhodes’s case there wasn’t much he could do except accept death The Blast Vision did hit the core which turned off the suits power. But yeah RiRi just happened to wake up in time and save herself.The Gs should’ve kept her knocked out
@izaakjohnson2723
Жыл бұрын
@@detectiveplays Couldn't agree more
@Nobody-qh2fv
Жыл бұрын
What’s the G’s
@LyraBones
Жыл бұрын
@@Nobody-qh2fvbasically, when an object has to travel in a circular-esc arc, a force, called a centripetal force, has to act on it to change the direction of its velocity. You can feel the effects of this centripetal force if you are in a car going over a hump really fast. This concept is quite important for airplanes, because you will be making sharp turns which end up with a lot of centripetal force on the person flying the plane, and too much can cause the person to pass out if they make too tight a corner or something. The reason why centripetal force is also called “G-force” or “G’s” is because usually, instead of measuring it in Newton’s (the standard unit of force), it’s a convention to measure it in g’s, where 1g is the force exherted by gravity on earth, 2g is two times this force, etc
@mrstupiduniverse731c
Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget the total disregard for basic human biology too, that sudden stop wouldn't be without physical repercussions. If she didn't have a broken neck (no matter the amount of padding) then I'd think she would have at least broken her back, shoulders, and legs, been bruised from the straps and had a number of tendons seriously damaged if not severed completely. Remember how many bruises and scrapes/cuts Tony had from falling onto his car after the first flight?
@AyuKasioy_
2 ай бұрын
Marvel back then: Let's add super small detail to every scene to make it convincing and realistic Marvel now: DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY
@SWANSWAN-nc7ds
Ай бұрын
"Diversity" you mean black woman and gay woman that is like the only diversity that these people care about if you are a black male they will shit on them and make them a a complete joke look what they did to Nick Furry, Sam Wilson and Finn. And the Acolyte has a black male character being played as a joke and killed off
@mrman1457
Жыл бұрын
Part of what I like about Ironman is that the first batch of suits felt and looked like they could almost be real. We got to see him build them and that none of them were perfect and had flaws like you'd expect in real life. He didn't just build a perfect suit on his second try. Part of his brilliance was showcased by how each suit evolved and improved on the last which is something we don't really see with Ironheart
@ilovewaffles321
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, like how mark II was bad at high altitudes, so mark III improved on that by switching up the material. Then, when mark III/the suitcase suit got manhandled by electric whip man, he improved on it again and this is shown with the mark IV in the first avengers, where Thor electrocutes him, but it just gives him more power instead.
@dutch_asocialite
Жыл бұрын
I still remember when the Mark IV was new and thought it was the hottest shıt ever, especially since I used to have a small magazine that allowed me look over and compare all the suits at the time. Just seeing how much less bulk the Mark IV had to the (previously state of the art) Mark III was like comparing an F/A-18F with an F-104C.
@dutch_asocialite
Жыл бұрын
@@ilovewaffles321 Just to clarify, the Mark III wasn't used in Iron Man 2, since Tony uses the Mark IV for most of it until he creates the Mark VI at the end. The Suitcase Suit is designated Mark V.
@brendenhawley2225
Жыл бұрын
I think the issue is they do not want spend all the time building up the tech again after the first iron man did it. So they are skipping the scene and making Riri start at level 10 outside the killing sewer rats phase.
@brendenhawley2225
Жыл бұрын
@@ilovewaffles321 It was really nice how every suit fixes the flaws of the previous suit.
@Chaosdragon240
Жыл бұрын
11:20 what i find funny is that this attempted 'better than Tony' scene actually works against Riri. Tony encountered an obstacle not really known because this is the first sort of instance of this happening, so he discovered it, then had to rely on his creative ingenuity and fast thinking aka manually working the suit to deploy his flaps which requires knowledge of the specific workings in order to do so (yes, he built the suit, but i think it's still worth noting that in a tense situation he was able to clearly think "Okay, I can't manually pull on the flaps, but to do so also requires the servos in the legs... WORK THAT!") whereas Riri went up to where air is KNOWN to be thin, disregards this knowledge, doesn't try to think about a way AROUND the ALREADY KNOWN... WIDELY... NOT UNCOMMON... problem and just bull-rushes it, stupidly risking brain injury due to even momentary low oxygen to the brain. Sure, she wakes up in time, but it's pure dumb luck. Take a good look at both scenes? Tony comes out on top always, not just cause it's better writing, but even just looking at it 'in universe' where Riri has built an 'iron man suit' from junk, Tony still played it smarter. Also looked good doing it, and RDJ had a pretty good impression of 'man who just narrowly escaped falling to his death from unforseen consequences'. Don't care how smart or how composed you are. Narrowly avoiding death like that deserves a little 'YEAAAAAAAAAAH!'
@Chaosdragon240
Жыл бұрын
also, this is why I've decided that, bar Spider-man, I'm pretty much done with Marvel movies XD. I wish Chris Hemsworth the best with Thor, it sounds like he's getting real tired of Thor getting crapped on too. One of these days i might marathon all the movies... till Endgame, that's where it should have ended. (Not Captain Marvel tho, haven't watched that, and never will, and not cause she's a woman, it's cause she's a shit person who craps on the fans. You don't like us? Fine, we don't like you either. Glad we're on the same page.) Staying with Spider-man tho, been a spider-fan my whole life and i aint stopping till he gets a happy ending... which will be never.
@Shrimp_Insurance
Жыл бұрын
"stupidly risking brain injury due to even momentary low oxygen to the brain." It takes longer than that for brain damage to set in
@Chaosdragon240
Жыл бұрын
@@Shrimp_Insurance The risk is still there, and hitting the water at terminal velocity tends to result in injuries that could very much occur to the brain. yaknow, maybe a bit more serious than that? but eh, im sure she'd be fine. She's Riri.
@anthonya824
Жыл бұрын
Still gives me chills
@Shrimp_Insurance
Жыл бұрын
@CarlBeringer Well yeah she'd be dead if she hit the water. But thats not what you said
@MrCovi2955
Жыл бұрын
I mean, to be fair, in the comics she's written that badly as well. In the original introduction where we get her origin story she gets mad at her teacher for NOT discriminating against her and for telling her that she can be anything she wants to be. She harasses the teacher into saying "fine, I guess if you need to be told something you'll never be I guess you'll never be Tony Stark" and that's how she decides to be the next Tony Stark, after harassing her teacher. So, they kind of nailed the narcissistic sociopath. Its just that neither the writers of the comics or the new movies seem to realize that they've written an objectively horrible character. Probably because people without morals have trouble understanding what makes a hero good.
@Scribbly_Chi_10
Жыл бұрын
People with extreme ideologies of right and left always lacks certain morals, and they will definitely fail to create a nuanced character.
@thegamerfe8751
Жыл бұрын
@@Scribbly_Chi_10 it's not even about ideologies at this point, it's just shit writing
@samoclese6435
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, that origin would've been incredible for that character if they depicted her as completely misguided to start with. In the comics, I believe Tony was alive and well when Riri was introduced. If they had Riri be the "villain" of her first arc and we get shown through her what it would look like if Tony built the Iron Man suit before his big change of heart in the cave, and they could've had an incredible moment between Tony and Riri where Tony can show how much he's grown since taking on the mantle of Iron Man, an "I used to be you, and believe me it isn't something you should aspire to" moment to show Riri that this person she's trying to emulate isn't who she seemed to think he was, and then have that lay the groundwork for a mentor/student relationship with Riri bringing new perspective to Tony's tech and Tony teaching Riri things she could never even hope to learn had she not chosen this path. As for an MCU version, it obviously wouldn't be quite as effective but they could've easily jigged that around a bit and made it work having Shuri in the mentor role.
@navonmyhand7999
Жыл бұрын
@samoclese6435 yeah they could definitely play into the narcissim and ego of legacy characters more sometimes. Not in a bad way but a introspective way of: why do you wish to become the next [blank], what made you think you could actually achieve that goal, etc. But I think writer usually get lost in trying to make viewers/readers instantly fall in love with the successor or replacement instead of implementing flaws into their design.
@stuart6478
Жыл бұрын
she also steals the iron man suit
@Secular_Racist
Ай бұрын
They totally copied the spiderman introduction in civil war without thinking that iron heart is no spiderman and shuri is no Tony stark.. 😂
@russellharris5314
Жыл бұрын
Tony Start was also never perfect because he needed help very often to achieve the things that he did. During the cave scene he had help from someone prepared to lay down their life to help him. while coming up with any idea or new technology in his lab he had his AI to run simulations etc and help him answer questions he couldn't answer straight away. He had Pepper help run his business giving him the time available to do what he wanted to do. In Ironman 2 his father is shown to be such a huge mentor for him and even gives Tony the answer to his problem of finding the new element he needed. All of these things add a level of realism
@acistaro
10 ай бұрын
it's not Tony Start... it's Tony Stank... Stank, party of two!
@sakuranakamura1814
10 ай бұрын
exactly. Those kinda things make Tony more... human? I dont know how to describe it better but he is NOT Perfect. He isnt able to build an Ironman Suit in just a warehouse.
@bidet1098
10 ай бұрын
But riri is a girl boss who can casually source the necessary materials for a multimillion dollar suit. Sad times
@dark_nightwing_xl2797
10 ай бұрын
Ironman armored adventure had the best Tony stark
@edomination7139
10 ай бұрын
@@bidet1098 The inflation tho, that thing is billions of dollars for a dumbass school student who doesnt know how to even throw shit right. Also in the phone scene shes a bitch which is a very bad replacement for goofy tony
@dusk_writer
8 ай бұрын
My favorite part about Riri's role in this movie is how she was able to build a vibranium detector Despite having never seen let alone studied vibranium But she has a machine that can find it
@ChickenNuggetManCNM
8 ай бұрын
and then says her professor is racist for doubting she could make a vibranium detector
@DominickRoselli
8 ай бұрын
Let's not get hung up on those pesky DETAILS man, just... yah know. Vibe?
@pheone9105
8 ай бұрын
@@DominickRoselli You can't vibe with a story when the writing is so dogshit
@brainfreezzzze6900
8 ай бұрын
@@DominickRoselli disney:
@anonspectre1796
8 ай бұрын
She knew who shuri was..so obviously she'd know about vibranium
@Flackconnon
3 ай бұрын
I had completely forgot about Ironheart to the point i thought i missed a new marvel tv series....
@MLNeidig
Жыл бұрын
The most frustrating thing about Ironheart is that this was already tried, and also failed, in the comics back in the mid-2010s. So not only did they show they don't understand why Iron Man worked, they showed they can already see a character fail, and then not learn from it.
@user-yt9ro7md2h
Жыл бұрын
Makes me think they were banking on society being dumbed down enough in great enough numbers,that the concept would be accepted this time around. Guess what? Wrong lol
@TheCursedCat1927
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, like not only people just didn't like the idea of Riri Williams in the Comics - the character and her Comics are overall just a great example of horrible writting... And the Comics Editorial seems to have caught up on that, because they forcefully sidelined the hell out of Ironheart. But since MCU is run by a different part of Marvel, all these idiots see is "a woman of color that is a genius" - and somehow they managed to make Riri even more irritaiting in the MCU (which I never thought was possible).
@tcortez
Жыл бұрын
No, no, no, no. Just because Ms Marvel failed among the comics many times, and because Riri has failed, doesn't mean that if we try again, and really, really, really want it to succeed that it won't. You just have to believe more, that will change everything.
@FTChomp9980
Жыл бұрын
Iron Man:"Who are you?" Iron Heart:"I'm your replacement Tony!" Iron Man:"So I sacrificed myself for nothing." Iron Heart:"Yes you have!" This is just depressing honestly Tony Stark is the better character.
@Tenshii_Artii
Жыл бұрын
He’s also more memorable. I admit I’m not a comic book person. But Tony Stark on the screens is just iconic in many ways.
@wintertrooper7918
Жыл бұрын
Iron heart is not the replacement you imbecile she's her own character
@rhyslightning3037
Жыл бұрын
@@Tenshii_Artii thats coz Robert downey jr is a fantastic actor
@KP-rs5tu
Жыл бұрын
I like when she murdered the cops that were doing their jobs.
@liamphibia
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'd rather see Pepper and Morgan Stark live up to Tony's name and legacy than... some genius kid we just met.
@solo-pro
Жыл бұрын
the audience needs to share the experience with the character. the hero reacts to the experience in a way the audience agrees with or approves of. the villain reacts in a way the audience understands but is repulsed by. these are required for the success of a story.
@wintertrooper7918
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes cause being a massive asshole and building a WMD in the form of a suit of armor that has enough firepower to rival most countries entire military might is an experience everyone can share and relate to
@vectorbass9679
Жыл бұрын
@@wintertrooper7918 I can actually. He did it for the money and fame. How is that not relateble or understandable? If you had to chance, you'd do exactly the same. Its purely human. It is easy to judge any succesfull person, but when given the chance, everyone of us would follow down that path. Greed is inherent in humans. It takes a strong character to actually see this and change his ways, like Tony does.
@wintertrooper7918
Жыл бұрын
@Vectorbass except he never did change his ways. If anything, he got worse instead of just building the one suit he developed hundreds of these things and the only reason he got away with it is because one suit is more or less equal to all the firepower of a US Military regiment and he's camped out in the middle of the largest city in the country
@solo-pro
Жыл бұрын
@@wintertrooper7918 lol !
@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa
Жыл бұрын
@@wintertrooper7918 you m0r0n, empathy is not about relating to people that had the exact same experiences that you have. That is the stupid narcissistic logic of post-modern identitarians, that think you can only understand someone if they are exactly like you and lived exactly like you lived. Empathy is using your shared humanity, emotions and reason, to put yourself in the shoes of another person and have a significant understand of what the person is going through. So yeah, you can relate with a billionaire that make weapons. You can understand why he does it and why he stop it, you can understand all of his actions doesn't mean you will agreed with everything he does. That is the beauty of a conflicting well written character. And from were did you took that the Iron Man suit is a weapon of mass destruction that can rival the entire US Army? The first version it was heavily damage but minutes of combat with standard military hardware. If you put a bunch of jets, tanks, etc against him her would die. The subsequent versions are stronger but also is the technology available to the government is also better as we see with SHIELD technology. The US government didn't take it not because they couldn't but because the movies portrait governments as semi functional and just or legitimate institutions that don't act in tyranny. The US government has no constitution right of confiscating Tony tech, forcing him to build them for him or stooping him of developing or building more for himself. The entire plot of the second movie revolves around that. With the exception of Ultron nothing that Tony did as Iron Man was more destructive that what he did as a military contractor.
@jakobkoorey6126
Ай бұрын
I already forgot iron heart existed
@DBZfan452
Жыл бұрын
The sad thing about all this is that this could have been avoided so easily. Riri being an unpleasant person isn't in of itself a dealbreaker for her character, Tony started off as a warmongering hedonist and had more than his fair share of failings even after he became Iron Man, but the narrative isn't treating Riri's flaws like something to overcome. They're just glossed over. Have Riri reveal she found one of items stolen from Wakanda like the ones Killmonger took from a museum and invented the vibranium detector out of the desire to get a hold of more of this miracle metal. She feels like she doesn't really have a future she's happy with and tries to pattern herself after Tony, seeing how he'd practically built himself a new life, using the vibranium she found to speed up the development of her own suit. Make her inexperience and self-assurance her major flaws and force her to come to terms with how her actions have had consequences for other people that she hasn't considered. She might be smart and ultimately have a good hear, but she's developed a pretty self-centered perspective from an inability to relate to others and her own ambitions. She should mess up, overestimate herself, and simply be someone with great intelligence but not the wisdom to match. Someone who wants to change the world, but doesn't think everything through and chose to imitate a person she'd never actually met rather than take the time and effort to find her own way. Have her actually make connections with other people and grow from it. That feels like it would have been much more palatable than jumping straight to her succeeding at everything.
@ScionStorm1
Жыл бұрын
Riri doesn't even need to exist when Toni Ho is a much better and more appropriate character.
@harlannguyen4048
Жыл бұрын
@ScionStorm1 Problem is, 1) Yinsen's entire family is dead, and 2) Marvel doesn't push her at all unlike Riri, and 3) holy shit, you actually know who she is?
@ScionStorm1
Жыл бұрын
@@harlannguyen4048 Number 1 is invalid. We've entered the multiverse. 2. Marvel consistently backing the losing horse has been toxic insanity and my mind won't ever be changed. 3. Avengers World was a fun comic and I liked the characterizations. Sunspot straight up buying AIM was a manic stroke of genius.
@Jherrin6
Жыл бұрын
It is the same problem with Rey from Star Wars. We need the development, the training montage, the overcoming of flaws. Instead we get an microwave superhero with no background.
@adamdunne6645
Жыл бұрын
Make her inexperience and self-assurance her major flaws and force her to come to terms with how her actions have had consequences for other people that she hasn't considered. Isn't that exactly what happened? She was fighting with the wakandans at the end? They didn't show it of course but still. I feel this video is a little too harsh even if ironheart sucks
@PieMan061
Жыл бұрын
4:15 This is exactly why Yinsen should've been in Tony's snap dream and not his daughter. Can you imagine if he met Yinsen and he said "You didn't waste your life".
@slomosvlone
Жыл бұрын
Both of them should of been in there
@thx4chrckingin
11 ай бұрын
Yinsen after seeing Phaze 4: Nah, fam, you should have died with me
@KermitOfWar
10 ай бұрын
@@thx4chrckingin Yinsen seeing Captain Marvel: Allahu Akbar! Goodbye Stark. And then he blows himself up.
@AStoryteller-for-fun
10 ай бұрын
So would I.
@isaacdebrah3963
10 ай бұрын
Thus gave me goosebumps.
@themicrowave3158
5 ай бұрын
I think the reason why Tony Starks death was so devastating was because we knew this character really well, and we watched him change his ways. Now the mcu is a 80s sitcom where the main male character used too much hair gel and they have to crack jokes every 10 seconds or else it just becomes very boring.
@leaDR356
2 ай бұрын
His death was so strong that everything after endgame became shit
@wisewizard9552
2 ай бұрын
MCU died with Tony Stark
@maninmathurintaha8808
Ай бұрын
@@wisewizard9552the fact that they're bringing him to get people to watch their movies makes me second this statement
@johnpauljonesisabadass8134
Ай бұрын
@@maninmathurintaha8808yeah, and now RDJ is gonna get dragged down by MCUs shitty writing. Save my man from being disgraced, PLEASE
@bryan418
Ай бұрын
@@maninmathurintaha8808exactly, I said it too, RDJ as Dr. Doom was a last ditched desperate effort to win the fans back
@loganfoco1184
Ай бұрын
Whenever a movie celebrates attacking cops who are very clearly just doing their jobs, it immediately makes me hate the movie
@BlackGryph0n
Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent breakdown, but I’m not entirely convinced marvels character assassination of its new heroes is unintentional… Their target demographic is a lot angrier than it was when Iron Man came out. People aren’t focused on justice, they’re focused on vengeance, and Marvel seems to be capitalizing on this. It’s a shame they’re stoking the flames rather than showing a better path.
@lolstuffenjoy9880
Жыл бұрын
Why are so many people so angry nowadays
@darthvadeth6290
Жыл бұрын
you hurt a group of people for centuries then talk about moving on and don't focus on vengeance. lmao
@darthvadeth6290
Жыл бұрын
@@christian-ec1rg I didn't mention slavery. You just exposed yourself lmao 🤣🤣🤣
@OrlandoFace
Жыл бұрын
@@darthvadeth6290 "you hurt a group of people for centuries" Who is this "you" that you speak of?
@dougclark9921
Жыл бұрын
The target demo isnt angrier, they were always angry. The difference is that its a different demo. The original demo wanted good characters and stories.
@synnamon_toast_crunch
10 ай бұрын
also her suit looks soo goofy too 💀
@anigmaYT
6 ай бұрын
Ye but tbh the mark 50 looked so goofy after watching the iron man films
@synnamon_toast_crunch
6 ай бұрын
@@anigmaYT not even close 💀
@LuvMox
6 ай бұрын
@@anigmaYTnot even a 1000th as bad tho let’s be real and I’m not even a fan of the Nano Tech suits either
@cychopedia9699
6 ай бұрын
@@LuvMoxi prefer the real steel armor suit of tony’s. But the nano ones felt like he deserve it as he has made lots of suits
@cozz124
25 күн бұрын
shit looks like something from a corn video
@Comkill117
9 ай бұрын
Another part of these scenes that I think is a problem, I miss how physical these movies used to be. You look at Iron Man 1, they actually built the suit for Downey to wear for reference and even used it in a number of scenes, and the sets were actual sets. Even the CG looked more realistic since they had real material to work with to base it on, as well as the fact they only had to make one movie at a time and not run the animators into the dirt with like 20 projects at once. You look at the behind the scenes stuff now and it’s all a few actors in a massive green screen room. Everything is done in post, and it shows as so much of the environment feels fake, not really reacting realistically to the characters. These movies might as well move to full animation at this point, hell it would probably improve them by at least adding more style.
@ngabohakiza3988
6 ай бұрын
Into the spider verse
@rebelfriend5327
5 ай бұрын
@@ngabohakiza3988marvel what if
@sadchild9478
5 ай бұрын
I’ve been saying this for a while. Live action is awesome, but I feel like stuff like marvel and dc are able to do so much more in animation
@E-Man08
Жыл бұрын
One thing I’ve noticed that gave me chills is the fx when iron man moved and charged his lasers. Honestly we need more of this.
@jacksonscott3667
Жыл бұрын
The suit from IM1 both looked and *sounded* heavy. It had a presence onscreen that immediately captured your attention, and the suit-up sequences built incredible anticipation. The new CGI suits have no believable weight to them, and as neat as the introduction of nanotech was in the beginning, using it to bypass the characters’ actual preparations is steadily killing a lot of the fun that went into these things in the first place.
@JonborgVA
Жыл бұрын
@@jacksonscott3667omg yeah I miss the practical suit it looked so much better. Fit the name Iron man more cause he moved like well a suit of iron. The Nano suit just looks like some fancy light suit and not very robotic movement
@tallll70
Жыл бұрын
@@jacksonscott3667 I agree , they can excuse it with nano tech and it kind of works because we can imagine it could, but instead it looking like substantial armor it looks like thin rubber suit... GOTG 3 Groot is similar, they should have make him CGI with unnatural human proportions like they drawed him on some posters instead just cheap human suit, baby groot was fun and 1st Groot was the best
@hansrama3485
Жыл бұрын
every hit felt real.. the charge up. and all that.. the flying felt loke something heavy was being lifted. its all grounded. they should have continued like this and not all that nano tech stuff
@Shawn-zt3gv
Жыл бұрын
@@hansrama3485they didn't just go to the nano tech. Every time Tony's original suit failed him he changed and approved it to solve the issue. After Ant man got into his suit he really only had one option to change it and that was too go nano
@michi6486
Жыл бұрын
Also the soudn design of the first real iron man suit was on point. It sounded heavy and like something mechanical that could actually exist, something a lot of newer suits lacked wich felt and looked really plasticy
@SilencedHalo
Жыл бұрын
Bingo, the whole IronHeart suit looks like those fuckin PowerRanger suits from the early 2000's TV show lmao. The first IronMan suit was perfection. Sounded and looked properly heavy, metallic, plated, armored, as it should be.
@sakuranakamura1814
10 ай бұрын
The newer Ironman Suits used Nano Tech which was less less mechanical (?) I guess? But i liked the old ones more.
@artagle_14
10 ай бұрын
@@sakuranakamura1814Having the nanotech has its cons but to me it matches with the whole action scenes and makes it feel more comic-y.
@marcusmg4904
10 ай бұрын
@@artagle_14The nanotech suits sorta symbolize how far Tony has come in terms of improving his suits because he knows there will at least be one more threat to deal with in the wacky wild universe he's in and you bet he's gonna pimp his suits out to be prepared
@randomuserame
10 ай бұрын
It's eco because climate change. I meant that as a joke but the more I think on it, the more I think that's actually the case.
@TheUnimaterLp
3 ай бұрын
To sum it up: Ironheart is Ironman fron Temu/the "We have Ironman at home". Why isnt Ironheart the Person she should be: Pepper Potts! I know she is technically Rescue, but she is the only charackter making sense if you want to have an Ironman 2.0 (which in my opinion would be teribble, because Ironman had such a good ending.)
@bluesheep5084
Жыл бұрын
Watching this made me realize how exciting it would've been, watching her just "understanding" the theory about the Ironman suit and the reactor. She wouldnt even have to be successful in the end. Just tinkering the whole time to show how hard it is. The new movies kind of forget that the characters are still human, physically and mentally.
@andrewgreeb916
Жыл бұрын
We want to see people struggle and earn their power, not just have it. Modern writers sure do forget this concept, at least the ones getting budgets
@tacotuttle
Жыл бұрын
Maybe she could've had a struggle about not living up to Tony
@brendenhawley2225
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewgreeb916 I think part of the issue is they already shown it, They already built up this world full of titans, and each movie tries to one up the one before it. A weaker villain, with lower stakes would of done the series good. Ironman first foe was terrorists and a guy stealing his tech, Riri and Shuri first foe was the kind of guy that can fist fight a hulk and leads a nation.
@jaideepshekhar4621
Жыл бұрын
@@brendenhawley2225 Should have redone the same thing. Set up your goddamn characters!
@ChrisColeChicago
Жыл бұрын
How many people would be happy with a recap of the learning curve, though? Studios feel like they've shown it already; why show it again?
@ramasuryamjalamanchili9156
11 ай бұрын
They tried to introduce Riri with Tony's tech and arrogance, in MCU's Peter Parker style, by being a High School nerd, a new Superhero, and doesn't want to join Tony at the start because he's got "homework". Damn, even Peter was soo innocent when he gave his reasoning to Tony.
@xaxabinks
6 ай бұрын
If they want to make an iron heart movie they should make it it’s own thing and truthful to the invincible ironman comics imo… because in the comics she’s actually a cool character who’s not just a diversity insert
@VTObi4z
Ай бұрын
Iron man saves air force pilot despite being shot at by them. Iron heart blows police officers up and shoots them for no reason despite them trying to protect her Thats enough for me. On top of that you got everything the guy in this video said about Iron Man
@TheKaijuKing54
Жыл бұрын
Wow, this video actually felt very genuine filled with well thought out criticism surrounding how marvel is currently treating it’s new “heroes” as well as when they insert comedy into a scene regardless if it breaks serious moments. This and all of your other videos are so underrated! You deserve way more attention!
@samuellopez479
Жыл бұрын
The suit up scene also had an emotional impact from what I believe. Gulmira is the town where Yinsen lived. It being attacked by terrorists hit Tony in the heart, made him decide that Yinsen’s people would not suffer and made his mind work to clean his arms work history. I mean, when I saw the movie again recently, I realized Gulmira was targeted and believed that was Tony’s snap, that this town of which he actually knew of, through Yinsen, was going to be destroyed by his weapons. And he would rather die than let that happen. IronHeart didn’t actually have a reason to suit up other than “I’m gonna go to jail? gotta blast!” And the purpose of her suiting up wasn’t to grow as a character, but to show off this cheap imitation to get hype. Very disappointing comparison conclusion, correct anything I misinterpreted, iss okie
@Khami.
Жыл бұрын
yall trippin abt a her origin and it’s not even her movie like at least let her have her own shii first
@samuellopez479
Жыл бұрын
@@Khami. but she wasn’t even given room to grow as a character. Jf she’s meant to struggle and be this successor to Tony Stark, then she has to earn that. Remember Obidiah Stane’s famous words: “TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!” Tony has been shown to be a genuis, through the actions we watch on screen. He earned the audience’s admiration. Riri Williams doesn’t do anything to earn our support. No struggles she overcomes. She literally comes into the movie having invented miraculous things, but we never see how hard she worked for it. Yes, it’s not her origin movie, but we can’t pretend she earned a fanbase because she’s named Ironheart. Look at Holland’s Spider-Man. Introduced in Civil War, but he’s not a guy who instantly has skills. He struggles. He’s shown to be a hero by Tony before recruited to subdue Team Rogers. And he does alright for a new guy. He shows his potential against Steve, and even contributed to knocking GiAnt-Man down
@vanitasthomas4829
Жыл бұрын
Gotta blast? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@The_child-catcher
Жыл бұрын
@@Khami.Remember black panther in the captain America civil war movie. He had a incredible arc and story in a movie that wasn't even his. In fact he was way better in that movie then in his own movie.
@officialmonarchmusic
Жыл бұрын
That was Yinsen's hometown? I gotta rewatch the movie, start picking up on the details
@ThePotentStyle
10 ай бұрын
Why couldn’t they just make it Tony’s daughter???? It makes sense that she would get curious about her father genius to carry on all he built.
@robertkennedy4114
6 ай бұрын
That would have to be a bit farther in the future, TimeLine. wise. but I agree with you.
@americansoul5563
6 ай бұрын
Cuz she wasn’t black
@trayethell3681
6 ай бұрын
man i agree honestly i never understood why they didnt use the boy from iron man 3 if they really needed a replacement this bad sure as hell would be better than current ironheart if his daughter doesnt fit cause timeline
@loganyost334
6 ай бұрын
Lol, remember when she took a piece of the iron man suit for fun.
@RiceCubeTech
6 ай бұрын
@@trayethell3681iron lad is a real character too. One that is liked more than riri.
@sharkt9877
Ай бұрын
Iron heart was always hated even in the comic. She was seen as just a worse Tony. Worse in every way. And I agree
@TheCursedCat1927
Жыл бұрын
I think it's worth adding that the whole "I have class" scene was 100% thrown into that, simply because people laughed when Parker said it in "Civil War." Only the difference, is that it made sense for Peter - who had no real reason to go with Tony, other than just wanting to help his "hero" - so making up an excuse on the spot about having to continue his normal life, it just fit the character. Whereas here it's forced into the dialogue as if it was a similar situation in any way, because they hoped people would laugh too - and instead people just saw a bad attempt at a joke, because "Oh look she's a teenager."
@spacecat7827
Жыл бұрын
She made a vibranium detector for the C. I. A, that started a war and also an iron man suit, but still has "differential equations"
@NoPantsBaby
Жыл бұрын
The official lore reason for Ironheart existing is that looking for a victimhood status Riri asked a teacher to tell her she couldn't be something (despite the teacher being super supportive cause she recognized a good student) and she randomly said "You'll never be Ironman" cause she never will be. So Ironheart exists cause Riri spent the rest of her life trying to prove wrong the teacher that "doubted" her. That is the ACTUAL OFFICIAL LORE reason for Ironheart's origin. She wanted to be a victim so badly that she told a teacher to neg her and then dedicated her life to proving that teacher wrong.
@hansb.jaeyni8230
Жыл бұрын
I figure Disney was tired of people saying they were ruining the source material, so they picked the worst source material they could find. It's not as if they could make it much worse
@Thorrnn
Жыл бұрын
I knew there were other legit reasons to loath this character. I just didn’t know what they were, until now.😂😂
@desmondng5375
Жыл бұрын
The worst part is that this sounds like two very interesting origin stories mashed into a shitty mess. -Having a teacher tell an ambitious, extremely intelligent student she will never live up to the greats and the student living her life to prove the teacher wrong: Good, makes sense, satisfying to watch -Having an impressionable student asking a teacher on a random life goal and hyper focusing on that: Unique, easy to make drama from, mirrors real life pressure on students, also would be very interesting Having a student ask a teacher to insult her and using that as inspiration: Wot?
@amanofculture4845
Жыл бұрын
so dumb
@Ladywizard
Жыл бұрын
Worse was literally she couldn't be TONY STARK not ironman and Riri invaded Doom's lands and took over while he was out just because and the first Ironheart suit was stolen from Stark
@stealthynaxo
9 ай бұрын
See the ice thing couldve served well as a call back and a joke. Imagine Shuri complementing her on the design and then asks about how she solved the icing problem only for her to either freeze and fall or non-chanantly say it was no biggy. Only for her to stop gainning altittude and say "Note to self' research ice isolation."
@The_best_Catnap_is_here
6 ай бұрын
That would have been actually pretty good
@TheFirstCurse1
5 ай бұрын
That's a way to call back to it while still respecting your work and franchise. But this is post-Endgame Marvel we're talking about. They saw what the Star Wars sequel trilogy did and decided "we want to destroy our franchise too".
@DireTM
Жыл бұрын
Something I also think is cool that people phase over is the fact they make the military personnel actually have personality. And the last picture they took was moments before their death as they protected stark
@Beastinvader
Жыл бұрын
The soldiers his weapons were supposed to help, killed by those weapons
@Hello-IsaacHere
Жыл бұрын
@@BeastinvaderYes, that is part of the plot.
@slingeroftruth
Жыл бұрын
Duh
@littlenickelbushfarm9804
7 ай бұрын
The clips of Tony's robot arm that you added in here at 13:08, reminded me of just how much character they were able to give that machine... How often have you felt sorry for a disembodied robotic arm being told that it's worthless?? They managed to make it look and sound DEJECTED. I felt more affection for that piece of metal than anything in phase 4 of Marvel.
@Aidansstuff_
5 ай бұрын
You’re so right
@larrybyrd6596
5 ай бұрын
true 😂
@hilosky
4 ай бұрын
"you pass butter"
@getoofedonn9401
3 ай бұрын
In Iron Man 3, after Tony stark just straightup says his address in public media and his house is destroyed by the henchmen of Aldrich Killian, there is a scene where things from his basement were falling into the sea below, and one of those things was that one robot arm that was trying to, but could not, save his "life". I felt so sad about it that at the end of the movie, when Tony leaves the destroyed house with the car full of things and parts, you can see the robotic arm, and that really made me feel better. It's just so wholesome that despite giving it a dunce hat, Tony still cares for his creations. And for the writers, it's amazing that they got this attention to detail.
@Mate_Antal_Zoltan
3 ай бұрын
seeing the arm in Happy's apartment in No Way Home brought me genuine joy, and it's a fucking robot arm that whines like a dog
@rey_ispog
14 күн бұрын
This us why people wanted peter to be the next iron man. He went from irresponsible to having to carry the weight of his loved ones lives, learned from his mistakes, grew into a more independent and powerful person through suffering, and came out a hero.
@LiamTolentino
Жыл бұрын
The scenes of Tony Stark developing his technology were perhaps the best parts of the Iron Man movies because it made these fancy sci-fi gadgets feel like someone's hard work and research rather than just some fun and cool fictional technology. It made the suits and stuff feel so much more special because we got to see how they were developed and made into reality. It almost felt like watching Mythbusters seeing Tony analyzing problems and figuring out solutions and then testing them out with cool guns and explosions and shit. I really wish they kept those parts in the post-Endgame movies because it made these worlds feel more real. They almost pulled it off with Spiderman in No Way Home with Peter using his scientific knowledge to figure out how to help the villains, but it doesn't have quite the same charm because Peter figured it out almost too quickly. It's not like the scenes of Iron Man testing different scenarios with his suits in the first movie, or figuring out the new element in Iron Man 2 or most recently, in Endgame when he spent countless hours figuring out time travel before finally having a eureka moment with the Möbius strip. They have so many opportunities to do this kind of scene again, and I'm really really hoping they do because it might actually get me invested in the mcu again.
@brendanbonmon8153
Жыл бұрын
And people wonder why Riri is a better replacement for Tony Stark than Peter Parker ever will.
@diegoochoa8050
Жыл бұрын
@@brendanbonmon8153that makes no sense when the whole point of the video is to show why Riri is NOT a good replacement for Iron Man.
@brendanbonmon8153
Жыл бұрын
@@diegoochoa8050 Its because Riri is better and is more than trustworthy with Stark Tech then Peter will be.Peter had the stark tech and was trusted with E.D.I.T.H. and then he blew it because reasons and now its all gone while Riri on the other hand still has Stark tech and she didn't blow it like peter did and that is why Riri Williams is the best and better Iron Man replacement across the board.
@Ленивыйканал-в5э
Жыл бұрын
@@brendanbonmon8153and an absolute garbage of a character, like all females characters in modern movies. Why old shows can do relatable and cool women, and now all we get is annoying always-succeding bi**es.
@rue1868
Жыл бұрын
I thought it was real after watching the scene,
@godai6203
Жыл бұрын
I kind of see Iron Man as Robert’s rebirth into the better man he is today. The man who everyone loves and looks up to. The man who can carry franchises. The icon he is today not for his turbulent past, but for being the face of a hero who understands the power that comes with that and not taking said power for granted
@alanbrown901
Жыл бұрын
It was his return it legit the role that turned his life around. Its a fact that iron man and meeting his now current wife helped change him
@maxxgunner5573
Жыл бұрын
Id rather have Spider-Man or War Machine as the new Iron Man. At least THEY were sympathetic n genuinely try to help n save innocent lives. While the latter came off as jerkish, he made up for it by ACTUALLY being a hero. Heck, even Miles Morales is a more awesome character who could zap Riri’s Chichis off!
@wintertrooper7918
Жыл бұрын
War Machine IS the new iron man
@Wendeta-hq2cp
Жыл бұрын
We *shouldn't* *have* a new Iron Man. That's the fucking point of his death. The world needs to move on without him and put their trust into someone else. We can mourn him, but everyone else (especially Spidey) needs to stop trying to be the "new Iron Man". That is why I loved No Way Home. That movie set up Spider-Man as his own character, finally leaving behind the mantle of Iron-Man junior. Sony understands that which is why Spider-Man was taken in that direction. Disney does not understand that, which is why they want a new Iron Man.
@Dark.Syndicate
Жыл бұрын
@@Wendeta-hq2cp I agree
@Minillus
Жыл бұрын
No, no, keep Spider-Man away from Iron Man, for God's sake. He's good the way he's going for. NWH's ending was a great example of his development as his own character, why should he go back to being Iron Man JR again? Screw that shit, we waited like 4 years for him to get development and now you want him to go back?
@SuperD0077
Жыл бұрын
@@wintertrooper7918 War Machine is War Machine, he's never going to be Iron Man. Iron Man is much more than the suit, Tony Stark and his genius is what makes Iron Man.
@kyju7093
Ай бұрын
So let me get this straight. A White Russian dude steals iron man’s design for his suit and makes his own, causes destruction with it and is labeled a “villan” but when a black girl steals the design of iron man’s suit makes it her own and causes destruction on a similar level through negligence she’s “the hero”??
@mjolninja9358
Ай бұрын
The russian directly targeted civilians, Riri was escaping from FBI or whatever that group was.
@Devson452
Ай бұрын
@@mjolninja9358that was the normal police and they weren’t even there to harm her
@mjolninja9358
Ай бұрын
@@Devson452 their intentions doesnt matter, theyre out to chase/arrest whoever it was + all the other secrets they have with them (namor, riri’s vibranium detector, and the suit) & theyre literally doing espionage ☠️ best they can do is to escape asap. did u even watch the movie
@graysteel
Ай бұрын
@@mjolninja9358again, she straight up just shot at the police?
@MarkyMark1221
Жыл бұрын
Your point in the intro about replacing legacy characters for more affordable actors and actresses is so easy to overlook can’t believe I didn’t realize it
@MakeYouFeelBetterNow
4 ай бұрын
But it's not about money, which they are massively losing, it's about the message.
@shutterspeedgames
11 ай бұрын
My favorite part of these movies is watching them tank in the box office, while the director wonders why their invincible person of color that literally never fails isn’t loved by everyone, and then they blame it on racism.
@meat-hook
10 ай бұрын
Don't forget misogyny.
@charc0al_tv
10 ай бұрын
Not too late for her to be lesbian too, that way they can also say homophobia
@schmecklin377
10 ай бұрын
Then the writers go on strike to get paid more
@konstantinospentespitis9691
10 ай бұрын
@@schmecklin377you clearly do not know what you are talking about the writers that went on strike were not the ones of million dollar budget movies they were the ones that got paid minimum wage for 10 hours a day
@Heavypunch23
9 ай бұрын
What movies tanked in the box office?
@luthfinicolasereni5595
Жыл бұрын
They could make Riri more relatable and likeable If they could have Showed how Riri got inspired by Iron Man Showed how people mocked her for having silly dreams Showed how she made the suit, trial and errors It is an easy formula but would work better than what we have.
@christophertaylor9100
Жыл бұрын
She's apparently even worse in the comics
@worldscoolestperson7672
Жыл бұрын
@Christopher Tyler oh god she’s so much worse in the comics, this version is a MASSIVE improvement
@protus3882
Жыл бұрын
@@worldscoolestperson7672 what was she like in the comics?
@DonVigaDeFierro
Жыл бұрын
But that would imply she's not already perfect!!!
@inkkid376
Жыл бұрын
@@protus3882 she was pretty bad at first, but she was soft rebooted a think, her newer comics aren't too bad though it is wordy
@dasoftieguy
Ай бұрын
No way a cop just say "Aw fuck she's got an iron man suit" like it was the most obvious thing ever, that is so ass
@DjVortex-w
Жыл бұрын
From the perspective of current Hollywood, the problem with Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark is that he doesn't tick any of the necessary checkboxes for The Message. Not a single one. They can't have that.
@FuglyStick
Жыл бұрын
Lol, so insecure
@DjVortex-w
Жыл бұрын
@@FuglyStick It's a fact.
@ricorosson5752
Жыл бұрын
@@FuglyStick Yes the writers are. If you have to drag someone down in order to prop yourself up that is a sign of tremendous weakness and insecurity. Take your deflections elsewhere.
@thirstyserpent1079
Жыл бұрын
@@FuglyStick I'll refer you to all the race swaps that disney have done, the most recent being the little mermaid. Also very convenient that it only ever goes one way >_>.
@FuglyStick
Жыл бұрын
@@DjVortex-w that you're insecure? True. Unfortunately there is a whole generation of scared, insecure, defensive children who will never be men and will spend their whole lives cowering, afraid of Others.
@joshuageorge80
Жыл бұрын
I went from thinking Ironheart sucked to being deeply saddened by what we have lost recently, not only in entertainment but in inspiration. I'll admit I didn't fully grasp the depth of RDJ's portrayal until seeing this video, but it was done so well that I didn't have to to fundamentally appreciate his character. It is truly one of the best character arcs I've seen, and as painstaking as it was to see his character die it was done to perfect effect and at the right moment to make the most impact. It's just ridiculously unfortunate that either the actor, or the writing around said actor that the mantle was passed to it so underserving in her portrayal. Bad writing can stifle good acting, lucky for us RDJ had room to improvise and infuse *his* character into his character.
@juniorjames7076
Жыл бұрын
Have you ever lived through an artistic golden age of an art form- Hip Hop '90s, Punk '70s, New Wave Cinema Late '60s, etc? We just lived through one but people are in denial that it's over. Kevin Feige and his unique, lightning in a bottle crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Ultron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES (and tv series) thanks to Marvel and it was something special, and now its ended (Avenger's Endgame was literally the end of this era!). Lets be grateful, and excited about the NEW renaissance in film thats about to come up from the ashes (cuz Hollywood is burning down right now, if you didn't notice!).
@stephencombes1979
Жыл бұрын
I loved the first Ironman movie because it gave us everything we could ask for - laughs, cool stuff and people helping people. That scene you showed where Tony Stark saves the innocent people from the terrorist scum is one of the greatest scenes in that movie. We get that emotional connection to the movie from seeing that poor family being kept apart, the son calling for his Dad, and then Tony killing the bad guys and the family being able to reunite. And the people together were left with the leader of the terrorist group so they could punish him. Such an awesome scene from an awesome movie!
@BazzyBaka
Жыл бұрын
I smiled when Tony said “He’s all yours” to the civilians when he was leaving. Such an amazing film
@stephencombes1979
Жыл бұрын
@@BazzyBaka Yeah, it really does make you feel good watching such a scene 🙂
@seasnaill2589
Жыл бұрын
Thats the main issue with the modern stuff, they don't themselves seriously anymore. Its all bathos, all jokes no tension.
@Byronic19134
Жыл бұрын
@@seasnaill2589 Wakanda Forever took itself seriously as evidenced by how many people were crying in the theatre opening night. GOTG3 took itself seriously as evidenced by people crying in theatre opening night but also was hilarious. MoM took itself seriously because Benedict Cumonback only knows how to be serious but was still funny but better yet had this great horror movie flares to it. WandaVizion and FalconWinterSolder both took themselves serious. Secret Invasion is very serious. Thor Love and Thunder....okay you got me there.
@stephencombes1979
Жыл бұрын
@@seasnaill2589 That's one of the main problems, they don't concentrate on World building, and developing the characters fully, but instead assume they have the audience already there for upcoming movies and shows so will add jokes and other scenes to movies that only really remind us why we no longer have any interest in the franchises they're promoting. It's a shame, because there's so much potential. Let's hope they learn soon 🙂
@JDog_Unchained
3 ай бұрын
Ironheart makes no sense. I can believe a billionaire genius and arms dealer built a suit of armor in his basement, but a genius child with no money built a suit of armor in an abandoned shack with no resources? Gtfo
@RebelingandGaming
11 ай бұрын
I think the relationship between the skills, personality, and morality of characters like Riri is also woefully neglected as opposed to someone like Tony. Like, for the entire intro of iron man 1 Tony is built up. He's suave, he's rich, he's charming, he has the world and everyone he talks to in the palm of his hand. A poster child that everyone wants on their side, and Tony 100% knows this and abuses the privilege. He's not a complete insufferable asshole about it, but he is still an asshole whose coasting on billions without ever truly applying himself or his genius. If this is how he was the entire franchise, he'd grow insufferable. It isn't until his kidnapping that we see all of that power get completely stripped. The ambush leading to his imprisonment had him gored, beaten, tortured, threatened, and ends with a massive, horrid looking magnet plugged into his chest, much to Tony's apparent shock and horror upon waking up. This all humanizes him so much; to see the man beneath the billionaire-playboy-philanthropist reputation in such a vulnerable, weak, and horrified state. Not to mention Yinsen; notice how Tony never talks down to or abuses Yinsen. Yinsen doesn't exclusively exist to go "wow you're smart" to prop up Tony's intelligence, like MANY characters do in the new Marvel movies when introducing another 'prodigy' or 'genius' to the roster, such as Riri breaking the phone of the other student just to assert how prodigious and in-control she is. Rather, Yinsen acts like an unspoken foil. He's a genius like Tony, helping to build the prototype iron man suit and saving his life while acting as a polyglot surgeon, but he's demonstrates himself asmore morale and humble than Tony is. I think his presence went a long way in asserting to Tony that, for a man like Yinsen who lost everything important in his life despite his intellect, Tony had everything he could ever need yet did nothing with it. Life was unfair to Yensen and Tony had never given men like him a second thought. A sort of unspoken idea that Yinsen was more deserving of life than Tony, yet it was Yinsen who died in the escape. A humble man from humble origins who, at that moment, was never given true justice for his family, and died helping a more undeserving man live. Tony coming back and hashing out the design of his suit while revamping the purpose of Stark industries is quick and extreme because what Tony went through was just as quick and extreme for his worldview. After what he's seen he knows things have to change and will swiftly act out the changes he envisions without coordinating with others it may impact, ultimately underestimating the recourse when Stone tries to kill him for it. With more awareness, thoughtfulness, and purpose in his life, men like Stone would never have gotten a chance to get a leg up on Tony and men like Yinsen would never have died to the men Tony had been empowering. The responsibility and realizations contrasts his carefree attitude and confidence, and it defines much of his arc throughout his films. It sets Tony up against himself and his own past actions, and that's a very good way to never make him seem to egotistical that it becames aggravating or even villainous. Riri has literally none of this. We don't see her in any particularly tough position, she never struggles with her ridiculous inventions, and she condescends to every character she meets. The small moments where Tony gets a cheeseburger, or shows vulnerability with Pepper, or shows hi friendship with Happy, are the small humanizing moments Riri never gets. She has none of the charm nor sense of responsibility, no sense of failure or perseverance: she's a genius student at MIT who is doing what Tony Stark spent his life on as a side project. Her uncaring, condescending, and indifferent attitude towards the morals of the setting make her very presence insulting to Tony's legacy. Like everything he went through, even just back to being kidnapped to realize he needed the iron man suit, is suddenly dwarfed by Riri who isn't putting in a fraction of the effort while also having a fraction of the resources Tony had. Tony was a great character with badass moments, but Riri was written to be a badass without a character, and thusly fails right from the start. TLDR: Tony rules Riri drools
@SomebodyHere-cm8dj
7 ай бұрын
"Notice how Tony never talks down to or abuses Yinsen." Little "superficial cues" like these are the difference between the successful "Tony Stark"s and the unsuccessful "Tony Stark inspired" characters; or so I feel.
@worthlesscunt4857
7 ай бұрын
Nice paragraph, i read it all
@rjrennie6028
7 ай бұрын
Great breakdown. The humility of Tony Stark is the key. How he earns his place as a hero. I'm sick of the "girl boss" trope. She-hulk, riri, danvers, Galadriel, rey..etc All I see are the fem-cels writing their own revenge fantasies. They get away with it because activism has been weaponized against the weak and self conscious AKA hollywood. I simply go back to the older more grounded movies and really enjoy them. Videos like this are so helpful to ensure I dont give any time or money to disney.
@JaegerEdits1
8 ай бұрын
fuck ironheart, the kid from ironman 3 should be the second ironman (harley)
@Crocc101
8 ай бұрын
Yes agreed
@carlthelongshoreman1979
8 ай бұрын
@@Crocc101 100%! he wouldve made sense
@PalPlays
4 ай бұрын
He was even at Tony's funeral!
@andrewb1313
4 ай бұрын
They couldn't do that because then ironmans replacement couldn't be a woman. Remember it's very important that they remain inclusive. This is modern Disney after all.
@JaegerEdits1
4 ай бұрын
@@andrewb1313 damn
@cosmicblob8799
10 ай бұрын
If I had a nickel for every time Riri catastrophically failed to be a replacement Ironman in the eyes of fans, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
@bryanmay4070
Ай бұрын
I think a big thing not discussed is that Wakanda Forever is an example of Marvel suffering from the weight of their own success. The first Iron Man movie was a GAMBLE. If it didn’t succeed, there arguably would not be an MCU or even a Marvel Studios. So I think a looot of work went into making the public care about a character they didn’t know about (folks forget Iron Man was not a popular character and that’s a testament to Marvel Studios for changing that). In addition to the effort, it’s more or less a standalone movie until the Nick Fury cameo. Wakanda Forever has waaay too much going on: a movie paying respect to Chadwick, trying to justify Shuri as the next in line, establishing Namor AND his people (and mutants), establishing Ironheart as the Tony replacement. .. There was no guarantee that Iron Man was going to work but they already had plans to do an Ironheart show. I think in addition to the writing, that’s the bigger issue: they don’t feel like they have to try to convince us to root for a character
@jacksonbauer5199
Жыл бұрын
What made Stark’s story soooo good was that we (the audience) got to see not only his growth and development as a character, but also the circumstances that spurred said growth and development to occur… We were “along for the ride” so to speak and that built a level of kinship with Tony, allowing us to understand his personality and giving us insight into who he is. I’ll be honest, I haven’t seen the new Wakanda movie and I highly doubt that I will. I have pretty much lost interest in the entire series because of the changes that have been made and I can only assume that they’ll continue down that path further alienating the fans who actually built the franchise…
@irrevenant3
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean by "the changes that have been made"?
@jacksonbauer5199
Жыл бұрын
Chadwick being gone is a big one, but other characters have also been dropped from the franchise. There are branches of the storyline that I don’t really care about or have interest in too. I think the main “change” is the focus of the franchise. They lost me somewhere after Infinity War…
@irrevenant3
Жыл бұрын
@@jacksonbauer5199 Ah okay. Personally I figure they were always going to struggle after Infinity War/Endgame. Those were the culmination of the entire MCU to that point and they were always going to have trouble building up again from there. It really doesn't help that, as if that movie, they lost the MCU's two main characters in Tony and Steve. It's like continuing The Office after Michael Scott left. At the moment they're throwing things at the wall, to see what sticks - including experimental stuff like WandaVision and She-Hulk. Personally I'm going to give these characters a little time to find their feet before writing them off.
@LordCrate-du8zm
Жыл бұрын
Wakanda forever is actually pretty decent:
@tolu619
Жыл бұрын
I agree with everything said in this video, and with what you've said in your comment. That being said, if you have the time, do see Wakanda Forever. Not that it's a great movie, but it is a fun watch with amazing visuals and nice fight scenes. Definitely better fight scenes than the first Black Panther movie. And Riri may have sucked but Shuri does get an actual character arc.
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