Fenchurch Street may not have an Underground station, but is unironically easier to get to from the Underground than changing at Bank 😅
@eattherich9215
11 ай бұрын
I would advise AGAINST changing at Bank if you can avoid it. It's a horrible interchange.
@Ambugginfly
11 ай бұрын
Yes, I discovered the joys of changing at Bank this week while on a mooch around London. Never again.
@stevebadcock9206
11 ай бұрын
Yeah the only relatively simple interchange there is District/Circle to Northern… everything else is a deep maze
@crrntvntsnthnlnftnsscmmnty
11 ай бұрын
District and Northern line are Monument lol
@mrbojangles8133
11 ай бұрын
that kind of thing is why we have channels like this
@telemachus53
11 ай бұрын
I used to love Fenchurch Street St. as a kid. Firstly because it was the gateway to our going to Westcliff and secondly because it was on the Monopoly board!
@neil6477
11 ай бұрын
During the 1960s I used to travel between Basildon and Slough during every school holiday (divorced parental homes). This meant I got to know Fenchurch Street and Paddington quite well. As a child I remember walking down a HUGE staircase at FenSt, then turning left down a few old steps and, seemingly, walking miles to find Tower Hill (not the more modern one but a much older entrance). I always felt hard done by becuase my little 11 year old legs had to walk so far and I spent years wondering why it wasn't connected like the fantastic Paddington - which had proper trains. So, thanks for the info - greatly enjoyed the tale - so excellently told!
@iankemp1131
11 ай бұрын
Yes, Jago said about Fenchurch Street exit being fairly close to Tower Hill but it's not the main exit and I don't think even now that the signage clearly points you in that direction. Also you may well have been having to use the old Tower Hill station (previously Mark Lane) which was replaced in 1967 and was further south and west than the present station.
@neil6477
11 ай бұрын
@@iankemp1131 Absolutely right on both counts. I seem to remember walking down what I now know to be Seething Lane and turning left into Byward Street in order to go into the older Tower Hill Entrance. I did look at Google Maps and I think I can see the old entrance in Byward St. Also, although there was another entrance to Fenchurch Station I never knew about it then - and it wasn't the one that Jago is referring to - I think that is relatively recent (80s/90s?). The alternative entrance used to be in Crutched Friars (I think). I only discovered it when I worked in that area (around 67/69). I didn't know that it was once called Mark Lane - changed to Tower Hill in 1946 apparently. So thanks for that info.
@dukeofaaghisle7324
11 ай бұрын
I took a few photos inside Fenchurch Street Station in the late ‘80s when they were still served by Class 302 EMUs. The grand staircase and the wood-panelled ticket office caught my eye. Even then, they were evocative of a long-past era. My photo of the staircase has bags of cement piled up near its bottom, so presumably it was just before building works were to begin.
@neil6477
11 ай бұрын
@@dukeofaaghisle7324 You can probably imagine what that staircase looked like to an 11 year old. I always walked close to the railing along the edge (and the centre I believe). But being an 11 year old I didn't want others to see how intimidated I was so I never actually held on. It still felt like walking down the side of a mountain though. Later on, in the late 60s I used to commute between Basildon and FenSt since I worked in Mincing Lane. I was amazed at how the staircases were absolutely full! For a few hours each weekday, thousands of us robots used to walk down the stairs between 8 and 9 am - then walk/run back up them between 5 and 6pm. Do you know if they are still there, or have they been replaced by escalators, or something?
@dukeofaaghisle7324
11 ай бұрын
@@neil6477I’m almost certain the stairs were replaced by escalators. I vaguely remember seeing the inside of the modernised station, but can’t remember whether I was actually there or whether I had just seen photographs or video footage (possibly on this - excellent - KZitem channel?). Farringdon and the LTSR line never really on my “patch”. I can imagine the terror for a young boy going down those stairs!
@joshslater2426
11 ай бұрын
It may not have an underground, but at least it’s been immortalised by Monopoly. Not many can say they’ve been preserved by a board game.
@rachelphang143
6 ай бұрын
That and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy......
@sylviaelse5086
11 ай бұрын
To show how much people (OK, me) take things for granted, I'll mention that I many many times walked the passageway from the District and Circle line at Paddington, and up the steps to the main concourse. Never once did it occur to me that I walking under a road. The passage way was there, one walked along it, and that was that.
@RogersRamblings
11 ай бұрын
A minor side note; the Underground station across the road from the Paddington main line terminus was built by the Metropolitan Railway, although they haven't used it for a week or two.
@RJSRdg
11 ай бұрын
And of course the original Underground station at Paddington was Bishop's Road, not Praed Street. Praed Street station is where it is because that was the route the Met extension to Kensington took (so it could go down the middle of the street using the Cut and Cover method). Nowadays TfL seem to be trying to make it as hard as possible to change from train to Tube at Paddington, by removing the direct walkway from Paddington footbridge to Bishop's Road station and closing the staircase from Paddington concourse (The Lawn) to the Bakerloo ticket hall.
@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial
11 ай бұрын
If only I could have built a station at Fenchurch Street, then it would be easier for all these tourists.
@charlestysonyerkes4322
11 ай бұрын
Well, one of us should have. For we are many, we are the clan of Yerkes
@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial
11 ай бұрын
@charlestysonyerkes4322 Hmm, I am the real Yerkes for many reasons, I have capital letters in my name, have more hearts from Jago and have more overall comments and likes.
@charlestysonyerkes4322
11 ай бұрын
@CharlesTysonYerkes147 fair enough *and promptly disappears in a cloud of logic
@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial
11 ай бұрын
@@charlestysonyerkes4322 If only there were a Yerkes in the present day...
@bordershader
11 ай бұрын
@@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficialthere is - you two. Come along, get going!
@hatjodelka
11 ай бұрын
I've always thought Fenchurch Street is the most visually pleasing of all the London termini.
@thomasburke2683
11 ай бұрын
Second only to Saint Pancras.
@hatjodelka
11 ай бұрын
@@thomasburke2683 St. Pancras is lovely and I love the Betjeman statue but St P's is very big and loud, like a huge chorus in a Wagnerian opera. Fenchurch Street is more like a madrigal, heard through an open window.
@MrGreatplum
11 ай бұрын
I am fond of Marylebone
@NickyMitchell85
11 ай бұрын
“It seems unlikely there’ll ever be a direct tube link to Fenchurch Street any time soon”: *Not unless there were a JAGO HAZZARD LINE* , a line dedicated to the memory of Sir. Jago Hazzard, if you ask me.
@simonwinter8839
11 ай бұрын
How about a Yerkes Line,dedicated to cash strapped TFL
@NickyMitchell85
11 ай бұрын
@@simonwinter8839 now that’s a BRILLIANT IDEA 💡.
@t.a.k.palfrey3882
11 ай бұрын
It never occurred to me that Fenchurch Street wasn't on the Underground. The handful of times I've needed to use this terminus, when visiting a schoolmate's home near Shoeburyness, it was easy to get from Westminster tube to Tower Hill, and walk 2 minutes to Fenchurch Street. Kids still walked back then! 😂
@Mgameing123
11 ай бұрын
And we still do this day but thats because I moved to Denmark. The reason why you don't see kids out and about is because parents are scared to let there children out. My parents allowed me to go out when I was 11 as long I had my phone on me.
@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791
11 ай бұрын
The commodification of the public space as well as car-centric infra is why kids no longer can go outside in much of the world.
@Mgameing123
11 ай бұрын
@@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 Yeah I agree. Its not mainly because "they have their computers and phones" but because either: You simply don't have friends to be with that often or its too dangerous to go outside.
@tadokoropilled
11 ай бұрын
@@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 right and yet most people are always out here blaming the kids when its our cities' fault
@timw.8452
11 ай бұрын
The comment that Jago made is a good one. I've never tested it but experience tells me that it's far quicker to get from the platform at Tower Hill to your desired platform at Fenchurch St than it it is from (say) the Victoria Line line Northbound, at Kings X/St Pancras to you preferred platform at either Kings X or St Pancras. No tourists know the route from Tower Hill which is a help :-)
@hilaryc8648
11 ай бұрын
Been having a ‘bit of a morning’ clearing up wind wreckage in the garden so this was a nice little interlude. Cheers.
@AndreiTupolev
11 ай бұрын
"East London was a fairly working class part of the city. The majority of people there were Cockneys, so respectable folk didn't want them anywhere near their fashionable neighbourhoods with their jellied eels and their Knees Up Mother Brown"
@michaeljames4904
11 ай бұрын
Quite. The etymology of Cockney is literally “a bad egg.”
@marvintpandroid2213
11 ай бұрын
@@michaeljames4904 I have always believed it to be from "a Cock's egg", ie not something you can trust.
@terrycostin7259
11 ай бұрын
We (the locals)were always at the back of the queue when it came to the trains , most of the one's we see , were goods trains , my great aunt lived near homerton Station on the old north London line and we used to watch the nuclear fuel trains going past her garden in the 60s .
@emjayay
11 ай бұрын
@@terrycostin7259 Maybe it was those spaces before your commas.
@dambrooks7578
11 ай бұрын
I hope someone has correctly added pie, mash and liquor.
@ianmcclavin
11 ай бұрын
West Ham, Barking and Upminster are all on the line out of Fenchurch Street, and they all have direct Underground interchanges. The Jubilee Line extension also serves West Ham, but the original proposed routing of the Fleet Line proposed a station at Fenchurch Street; this plan was abandoned.
@1258-Eckhart
11 ай бұрын
So in fact, the L,T&S LINE is well served - only those boarding a train west of West Ham (= Stepney East?) remain "unconnected" to the Underground. The issue I think is much more that the terminus doesn't appear by name on the Underground connections map.
@jackmartinleith
11 ай бұрын
@@1258-Eckhart Blimey, you're going back a bit. Stepney East became Limehouse in 1987.
@1258-Eckhart
11 ай бұрын
@@jackmartinleith Is it still a station on the L,T&S? I lived in Hackney in the early 1980's.
@jackmartinleith
11 ай бұрын
@@1258-Eckhart Yes: same station, just renamed, and interchange with DLR.
@CplBurdenR
3 ай бұрын
This is what I do when going into London on the LT&S. Change at West Ham, usually for the H&C, then on to King's Cross. It's actually handier the few days they have services to either Stratford or straight to Liverpool Street. But ah well.
@tarnmonath
11 ай бұрын
"... to better serve the termini." Like the most recent improvements at Euston? Where you now have to go out of the main line station (while trying to avoid the rain, and other people trying to avoid the rain) to get into the Underground?
@michaelcallummayaka
Ай бұрын
I found that very odd on my first visit to the Euston station the other day. I went in to the main building only to see the signs for the underground point outside. Rather inconvenient.
@davidgrainger5378
11 ай бұрын
Fenchurch Street is the one mainline terminus that I have never used or been to. Way back when I was 18 as a non-Londoner, I decided that I would have a weeks holiday on my own just getting to know London getting in all the sight-seeing etc. One day on a spur of the moment decision, I decided to go to Southend but as Fenchurch Street was not on the Underground map, I did not know how to get there so I took a train from Liverpool Street. Really must go there some day then if it does close it will be on my list of closed London Stations that I have actually used.
@ianpatterson6552
11 ай бұрын
I assumed for many years that Fenchurch somehow serviced East Anglia communities, hence the name. It appears I was confusing Fens with Fen.
@simonwinter8839
11 ай бұрын
I shouldn't worry too much as most of the people that lived there confused their sisters with their wives.
@arryc3947
11 ай бұрын
It's named after the street itself and the origin of the name of the street isn't particularly clear. However, it must be remembered that the area around Walbrook right the way through to Aldgate was marshy land with the Langborne (now Langbourn) River running approximately on the course of the street as it sits today - much like the Walbrook, long covered over. I wonder whether records of such names / history behind them will be better kept, or more easily destroyed, in the future.
@mikeuk4130
11 ай бұрын
@@simonwinter8839 People who will be very well-adapted to the swampy conditions as sea level rises and others are left floundering, like your old and facile "joke".
@simonwinter8839
11 ай бұрын
@@mikeuk4130 They ought to be okay in the conditions you described as they have webbed feet.
@martynelse6121
11 ай бұрын
Not quite a disconnected tale, because you always connect the history with the present, Jago. Makes things clearer for us non Londoners 😊
@NickyMitchell85
11 ай бұрын
Yes 🙌, I agree ☝️.
@davidholt7883
11 ай бұрын
I worked in Grays for a number of years and our usual strategy when coming into Fenchurch St for business was a brisk walk in a fairly straight line down Fenchurch St to Bank Station, which gave pretty good access to the rest of London, Westminster, Law Courts and otherwise.
@user-xh3lz9xt4l
11 ай бұрын
I usually use the exit halfway down the platform and exit Fenchurch Street alot closer to either Tower Hill or Aldgate.
@PaddyWV
11 ай бұрын
Talking Epic Walks, (Not really) I always used to think that changing from one Northern line to the other at Euston was a fair ramble. Watching the multi layer sign slowly diminish as you walked through to the CX branch seemed exhausting - after my trip down from Derby. In the end, I used to come out of St Pancras and walk above ground to Euston, or on good days down to Charing Cross. Far more pleasant.
@frglee
11 ай бұрын
As I discovered a few years back, dragging heavy luggage from Euston to St Pancras (Kent Lines) on foot is not much fun on a hot day. It's a lot of hassle on the tube or the bus too, so get a taxi. A travelator between the two stations is clearly needed, especially if HS2 ever reaches Euston.
@Alto53
11 ай бұрын
@frglee if Crossrail 2 is built then the stains will be merged with Euston St. Pancras.
@nicks4934
11 ай бұрын
Its on the Monopoly board though. Result!
@trevorelliston1
11 ай бұрын
The stations in the British game are all LNER connected stations.
@frglee
11 ай бұрын
Wasn't there some talk about space being left on the DLR Bank extension for a station under Fenchurch Street, which might possibly be used when Tower Gateway is finally shut?
@roblyndon5267
11 ай бұрын
I'm old enough to remember another mainline terminus (Holborn Viaduct) that had no matching Underground station.
@jlouis8625
11 ай бұрын
I to remember Holborn Viaduct. It was a small station but useful.
@Tonydjjokerit
3 ай бұрын
Now City Thameslink!
@davidioanhedges
11 ай бұрын
My father was one of a team of architects that revamped Fenchurch Street station ... the remit was to update it without changing it ... ...you didn't notice, so they succeeded ...
@AndrewG1989
11 ай бұрын
Well the Fleet Line could of passed underneath Fenchurch Street station and would of had a Underground station below the main line station. That’s if the Fleet Line was built that would of been the Jubilee Line from Charing Cross to London City Airport and North Woolwich. With extensions to Thamesmead. I have been to Fenchurch Street station and it is quite a nice terminus station that is on the London Tilbury & Southend Railway. Also c2c is getting new Class 720/6 trains which should be in service later this year that will operate from Fenchurch Street to Barking, Shoeburyness, Southend Central, Basildon and Grays. But will not replace the Class 357 trains.
@cardwitch91
11 ай бұрын
Fenchurch Street might not be an underground but man is it conveniently placed. I love being able step out of Fenchurch, walk a few yards and boom, there’s Tower Hill 🙌
@IamTheHolypumpkin
11 ай бұрын
Wired suggestion. After Leman St. send the trains which would serve Fenchurch At into a quad track tunnel. Demolish the old station (the station building too but save the bricks for reconstruction afterwards). At the current location of the terminus just underground in a cut and cover tunnel (as the old station is gone,this should be easy) put a four to six tracks through station. After the new underground Fenchurch street two tunnels attach, one connecting with the North London line at Moorgate and the other with the City widened lines also at Moorgate. Now you have through service to Themeslink and two ways to Finsburry Park and a lot of connection further west. Not cheap but probably also not that expensive considering that you only bore about 2km of Tunnel (you could than reuse the TBMS for Crossrail 2.
@paulbennell3313
11 ай бұрын
Being from Manchester, I've never really had much of an interest in tube trains and associated subjects. However, I'm subscribed to your channel just because I like to watch your superb videos.
@jerribee1
11 ай бұрын
The train announcement at Barking always seemed to have a slightly poetical ring about it : "The train now standing at platform eight is for Stepney East and Fenchurch Street."
@SportyMabamba
11 ай бұрын
It rhymes if you say it in a Mrs Doubtfire accent
@alejandrayalanbowman367
11 ай бұрын
Hi Jago from Spain. Thank you for a visit to my, at one time, second home - the only mainline station in the City of London. Of course the quicker way was to go out of the other station exit and just walk along Crosswall and into Tower Hill.
@simonwinter8839
11 ай бұрын
Take care in the heat
@alejandrayalanbowman367
11 ай бұрын
@@simonwinter8839 Thank you. Fans and a/c are on, powered by the solar panels.
@simonwinter8839
11 ай бұрын
@@alejandrayalanbowman367 Is the sun shining then ? !!!!!!!!!!!
@alejandrayalanbowman367
11 ай бұрын
@@simonwinter8839 You bet!
@hb1338
11 ай бұрын
@@simonwinter8839 The sun always shines, 24/7/365, though its rays do not always reach us, what with clouds and things.
@rommee
11 ай бұрын
Another Interesting FACT! - The Fenchurch Street train station building is shaped like a locomotive train! (See on Google Earth) 🤓
@peterjohncooper
11 ай бұрын
Ah! Fenchurch Street, such a delightfully rural sounding place. I can honestly say I have never been there except via the Monopoly Board.. Does it have the cathedral like hush of Marylebone?
@highpath4776
11 ай бұрын
More the silence of the dead
@rsmith2312
11 ай бұрын
More 1980s shopping centre vibe in the 2020s. Dated and dark.
@robertwilloughby8050
11 ай бұрын
It's like an ill-used large parish church, according to Tim Traveller.
@AlexSPQR
11 ай бұрын
I have always wondered this! Thank you for quelling my thought
@pintpullinggeek
11 ай бұрын
With a good connection you can get off at Waterloo East, use Southwark for the Jubilee Line and be leaving London Bridge just as the passengers who disembarked at London Bridge mainline before you arrive on the platform.
@malcolmhumphries3284
11 ай бұрын
Broad Street may have had a lift shaft up from the Central Line, as I looked up the disused shaft when I worked in the cabin 1990.
@jimmeltonbradley1497
11 ай бұрын
When I lived in Grays, I always used Tower Hill for Fenchurch Street on my way from central London. But that was in the mid-seventies. The distance is not great.
@dunebasher1971
11 ай бұрын
Is there any chance of a video covering the history of the Fenchurch Street to Southend line, specifically its period as the Misery Line throughout much of the 80s and early 90s? The line was unreliable to an extent that houses closer to Liverpool Street line stations were more expensive, in part because it was a more reliable commuter service. I clearly remember the local newspaper stories about it (at least one a week), and it was even a thing that people were being turned down for jobs in London once it was discovered that they'd be relying on the Misery Line to get to work. I believe it was down to antiquated signalling more than anything else; following a complete resignalling, the line became acceptably reliable and by the time I was using it from 1994-2005, it really wasn't a significant problem.
@clairejones7878
11 ай бұрын
I wonder when the c2c added Chafford Hundred (Lakeside) station.
@dunebasher1971
11 ай бұрын
@@clairejones7878 Wikipedia will tell you.
@davidkimmins8781
11 ай бұрын
When the railways were privatised in the 1990's, the Fenchurch Street line was the first, as it's relatively self-contained. Obviously to make it a good advertisement for privatisation, it would have to be in a mess beforehand. No state investment and then - hey presto! - things improve miraculously on privatisation.
@karlosh9286
10 ай бұрын
Yeah, I remember that period in the late 1980s ! People applying for jobs in the City getting turned down because they lived on the London Tilbury Southend (LTS) line ! Fortunately I've lived most of my life closer to the Liverpool Street , Shenfield to Southend Victoria/Colchester lines ! I did use the C2C line a bit a few years ago, when an office I was working out was at St Katherine's dock (in about 2015 ). It seemed fine then , and fares were cheaper than the Liverpool Street / Southend Victoria line !
@eattherich9215
11 ай бұрын
I had no idea that Fenchurch Street was so close to Tower Hill and Tower Gateway, but I have had reason to use the station.
@philwoodward5069
11 ай бұрын
It's worth reiterating that, while the interchanges, say, between the Bakerloo line and National Rail at Waterloo or between the Piccadilly Line and National Rail at King's Cross, are intuitive for visitors, for those who know where they're going they're not easier than the interchange between the Circle or District line and National Rail at Fenchurch Street. In fact they're considerably more longwinded. And even for visitors, the connection is shown on the tube and rail map and the route is signposted (though I doubt you'd want to do it at rush hour if you were relying on the signs as you'd never see them through the crowds and you'd be in everybody's way). I also think, though it pains me to say so as a Londoner, priorities for infrastructure upgrades may have shifted, due to the pandemic, from increasing capacity to keep up with peak demand in central London, to improving the rail network's capacity, resilience and regional links across the whole country. The sector known in the BR days as Regional Rail is a shambles, quite frankly. It's in dire need of electrification, improvement of junctions and stations and, in many cases, construction of new east-west routes or link lines to enable such routes. Fenchurch Street is fine.
@nleak92
11 ай бұрын
I normally just walk to Liverpool Street if I've gone in to Fenchurch Street, not a long walk but quite a nice one in my opinion
@skyblazeeterno
11 ай бұрын
That could be the subject of a video - nice short walks from mainline stations - I like London Bridge and going along the South Bank
@nleak92
11 ай бұрын
@@skyblazeeterno That is also a nice walk
@bobbyx5373
11 ай бұрын
As a train driver we had a walking route from FenSt to LivSt and vice versa.
@ActualDav
11 ай бұрын
I believe the suggested rebuild was on goodman’s yard, so actually about the same distance to Tower Hill
@julianaylor4351
11 ай бұрын
Here's a thought why is Fenchurch Street Station along with Marylebone, Euston and Kings Cross on the Monopoly board. It's a minor terminus like Marylebone, unlike Euston and Kings Cross? The Thatcher government chronically under invested in the existing Underground, which became one of the main causes of the Oxford Circus Station and the Kings Cross Station fires. They also gleefully knocked down poor old Broad Street, without a thought of incorporating its platforms into Liverpool Street Station.
@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus
11 ай бұрын
In your shot of the old Mark Lane station you can see a set of gates similar to those in Underground stations. That is an Underground entrance to the old station and is still used by the permenant way department. The eastbound platform area is still down there and is used by staff when there are engineering works in that area.......
@iankemp1131
11 ай бұрын
So basically we're saying there was never quite enough demand to reroute an Underground line or move a station to serve FS. A cut-and-cover line would have been expensive while the deep tube lines didn't quite go in the right direction (Northern Line through Bank, Central already extended from Bank to Liv St). The LTS line connected to the Underground at Barking and, nowadays and more usefully, West Ham. Interesting though that even with the Elizabeth Line they have not bothered to provide a direct interchange with the LTS route although they cross close to Limehouse. So it's still not that easy for LTS passengers wanting to go beyond London or to other parts beyond the City. 0:05, what's wrong with "termini"? (cf. Alan Jackson).
@raythomas4812
11 ай бұрын
I used Fenchurch Street ( From Laindon ) or neigh in 40 years - and always seemed a pain getting the Tube - but it's not really
@john1703
11 ай бұрын
London does indeed have many main line railway termini. At least Old Oak Common is already on the Elizabeth Line.
@timbounds7190
11 ай бұрын
The distance from the Crosswall entrance at Fenchurch St to Tower Hill is probably less than the length of an Elizabeth Line platform!!
@jakecavendish3470
11 ай бұрын
My favourite underground station is Bumble's End but it closed in 1897 due to a debacle with a horse and some barrels of jam. It was in the City and it only had three stops- Putney, Hampstead and Birmingham.
@IndigoJo
11 ай бұрын
The interchange with the Docklands at Fenchurch Street isn't all that relevant, because the Docklands goes back the way you came. If you were coming in on that line and wanted to get to the Docklands, every train stops at West Ham and most also stop at Limehouse. As for demolishing Fenchurch Street to increase capacity, this is unlikely now as Liverpool Street has extra capacity thanks to the Elizabeth Line, so if extra trains are laid on that can't be accommodated at Fenchurch Street, they could be diverted there (possibly an entire branch).
@tommo7802
11 ай бұрын
Whether or not they'd actually be able to regularly divert trains to Liv St during the week I'm not too sure, since the current connection involves running over the Goblin from Barking onto the Liz Line tracks by Manor Park, and I'm not sure if those tracks have the spare capacity (especially at peak times)
@jasonhindle4054
11 ай бұрын
In my experience, the whole slightly disconnected DLR/Jubilee thing in Docklands works pretty well. It enables me to find reasonably priced hotel accommodation in parts not popular with tourists (Canning Town? Anyone?) yet in easy reach of the heart of London.
@highpath4776
11 ай бұрын
Poss of equal query is why was the Elizabeth Line not routed toward Fenchurch Street (or at least a Pedestrian Tunnel link to Liverpool Street like the Moorgate for Northern one )
@iankemp1131
11 ай бұрын
It was much more useful from a connectivity point of view to serve Liverpool Street than Fenchurch Street and the geography doesn't let you do both. Equally interesting though is that no interchange was provided further east. The two lines cross near Limehouse (NR and DLR) which looks as if it would have worked well. Maybe the extra stop and/or the expense of providing an extra station in an already developed area (especially at typical Elizabeth Line build standard) put the planners off.
@grahamrowntree5573
11 ай бұрын
I always know your comments, as well as those of Ian Kemp, are going to be knowledgeable and informative and I enjoy reading them.
@highpath4776
11 ай бұрын
@@grahamrowntree5573 Too many years living/ working in London and generally having an oblique study of the transport systems of the C20th for many years. One day I might get round to writing a history of the 1950s as I feel the political and social thinking of that time as well as actions embedded the economic and political field ever since, but it is difficult to find unbiased sources in the right places to affirm or rebut that hunch
@davidsummer8631
11 ай бұрын
One of the stations charms is compared to other main line stations its quiet during the weekend
@andycooke6231
11 ай бұрын
Why did the DLR not run into Fenchurch street but into the disconnected Tower Gateway? I used to commute from Barking into Fenchurch Street in the 1980's and the advent of the DLR took two of the lines from Limehouse to Fenchurch Street stretch, this meant that whenever there was a point failure at Fenchurch Street which was a fairly regular occurance in those days the whole station closed. This involved me having to walk back often in the rain to Tower Hill where I had just come from to catch the District line that I had just got off a few minutes before to continue to Barking on the much slower District line.
@ianmoseley9910
9 ай бұрын
I understand it was to do with not enough platform space - that said, a walkway from Tower Gateway to platform level at Fenchurch Street should not be impossible
@stevenfarrall3942
11 ай бұрын
The DLR / Tube thing to help regenerate Docklands is a classic case for Georgism. If the government - that is the taxpayer - had built the line to Docklands all that de -facto subsidy would have ended up in land prices. That is docklands land would have increased in value. So, far better to see what happens in Docklands and then tax it to pay for the line. (That's a very short comment on a complex subject.)
@RJSRdg
11 ай бұрын
It appears from Google that the District and Circle Lines pass close to Tower Gateway station and pretty much under the end of the platforms at Fenchurch Street. I can't just remember where the platforms at Tower Hill are in relation to the entrance to Tower Hill station, but if they could be relocated eastwards, they could be directly accessivle from both Fenchurch Street and Tower Gateway stations as well as from the current TG entrance.
@wickiezulu
11 ай бұрын
There was a plan which called for the railway running between the (old) Limehouse and Fenchurch street to be buried underground, and a 110 ft wide road built on top. Meanwhile, Fenchurch Street station would have been replaced with a terminus with a direct link to the London Underground. As part of a series of rebuilding works that included a massive Big Ben-sized clock-tower in Stepney prepared by Mr. Thomas H. Mawson. The new road was to be called the “Stepney Greeting” and would have seen huge numbers of workers housing and workshops demolished to further the goal of shifting more cars more rapidly.
@wickiezulu
11 ай бұрын
As for Fenchurch Street itself, the original terminus was said to have been further west at Lime Street and had it also been buried underground would have likely opened up quite options as far as further extensions go. They would have been better relocating both Fenchurch Street and Tower Hill closer to each other roughly west of Minories had the mainline been pushed below ground.
@chiefpred9982
11 ай бұрын
Here’s a video idea for me. (Btw I’m not from the uk so yeah). Why aren’t any new tube lines being planned or built? And I’m talking not like the Elizabeth line, but like the deep tube, so central, jubilee e.t.c. I’ve always been interested by this. Anyway, keep up the good work mate!
@annother3350
11 ай бұрын
because theyre broke!
@paulhaynes8045
11 ай бұрын
There's no room left on the map!
@chiefpred9982
11 ай бұрын
Ah, fair enough
@JagoHazzard
11 ай бұрын
Mostly the problem is money, alas.
@frglee
11 ай бұрын
There are several in the pipeline right now. The Bakerloo Line extension plans from Elephant and Castle to Burgess Park, Old Kent Road, New Cross and Lewisham and possibly as far as Hayes seems to have stalled for now. A DLR extension has been mooted to Beckton Riverside,Thamesmead and possibly even Abbey Wood as well. A new Overground route in West London from Hounslow to Acton, Neasden and Hendon/West Hampstead is also being investigated.
@MervynPartin
11 ай бұрын
The other main line stations may have Underground entrances within, but it is still a very long, seemingly never-ending walk to the trains. Especially at King's Cross, the last time that I went there. Perhaps Fenchurch Street's only difference is walking through the street to reach the tube trains.
@iankemp1131
11 ай бұрын
The signposted pedestrian routes at Kings Cross have got longer since it was rebuilt - in a coupe of cases there are quicker ways. It does have the advantage of no roads to cross and not getting rained on (or other adverse weather conditions, even occasionally hot sun).
@AndreiTupolev
11 ай бұрын
The most recent time I went there I followed the signs for "British Rail" to find I eventually came out on the Thameslink platforms, which were about half a mile from where I wanted
@lordsleepyhead
11 ай бұрын
I was one of the people who asked this question! Thanks Jago!
@Danceup-dh6kn
11 ай бұрын
In 1994 needed to get from Birmingham New Street to Barking. The BR ticket agent booked a route via Fenchurch St, which he referred to as "French St". To this day Fenchurch St is French St to me.
@DavidShepheard
11 ай бұрын
Surely the thing that will happen is building a new underground DLR station, on the Bank Branch of the DLR, having that connect by tunnels to both Tower Hill and Fenchurch Street stations, and then divert all the trains to Bank, so that Fenchurch Street station can expand onto the land that the existing Tower Gateway station uses.
@RJSRdg
11 ай бұрын
Yes, I think that's the plan. Fenchurch Street will move to the site of Tower Gateway.
@jackmartinleith
11 ай бұрын
@@RJSRdg So my suggestion (see elsewhere) to rename the station to Tower Hill is not quite so facetious.
@lordyhgm9266
11 ай бұрын
As part of my journey to my fiancé, I’ve asked myself this question many times lol
@AndreiTupolev
11 ай бұрын
5:10Looks like a former Ton class minesweeper there
@DangerBruce
11 ай бұрын
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Wilton_(M1116)
@JagoHazzard
11 ай бұрын
It is certainly a minesweeper. Afraid I know nothing about navy ships unfortunately.
@bobbyx5373
11 ай бұрын
Before the Wilton there was a ship called the Bembridge there, all part of a driver’s route knowledge 🙂
@michaelrobinson166
11 ай бұрын
Fenchurch Street station was why I couldn't go to sleep last night (no I am not going crazy). I wake up and now I'm haunted by it on the day.
@HuggyBob62
11 ай бұрын
Fenchurch Street is easy to get to from Tower Hill. The only problem is you are not under ground for the short walk - and therefore at the mercy of the weather.
@fin720s
11 ай бұрын
you also have to remember though the c2c lines have good connections at west ham to the distric and h and c and the jubile line, and also a useful connection at Limehouse for the dlr to canary wharf or poplar, i think if capicity becomes an issue, if your going to bond street or westimster for example it would make sence to change at west ham and if your going any where north london it would make sence to change for h and c and then go to the revelant connection, kings x, euston, etc
@zetectic7968
11 ай бұрын
So close yet so far away! Been to Aldgate & Tower Hill many, many times yet never needed to go to or from Fenchurch St. so it remains as elusive as Brigadoon.
@trickygoose2
11 ай бұрын
I have got on and off trains at both Aldgate and Tower Hill and walked and driven a little in the vicinity, but I am pretty sure I've yet to even see Fenchurch Street station in real life.
@davidotoole9328
11 ай бұрын
Used the have a lovely interior but that was destoyed in the eighties.
@brettpalfrey4665
11 ай бұрын
Another London station for me to visit in September! I must admit that I only knew of Fenchurch Street through a certain board game....
@chrisadye1590
11 ай бұрын
The other reason there is no direct tube connection is that most of the City of London is within walking distance from FST. Passengers for the West End can use Jubilee from West Ham, District/Circle from Tower Hill, or Central from Bank - none are fantastically convenient but none are horrendously bad connections either. The cost of building on such a central site would be very high, so it's hard to see this ever happening.
@melbjohn
11 ай бұрын
Given the early underground lines were cut and cover, we have the District line following roads and so we have a dilemma as you approach the Tower of London from the direction of Mansion House. The most logical road to cut and cover would have been Fenchurch Street. Jewry Street to Crutched Friars to Hart Street is closer but ends at Mark Lane. Meaning a lot of demolition. Therefore Eastcheap was a better route and as you say the Metropolitan had already built to Tower Hill. So I would blame the engineering difficulties of getting onto the street called Fenchurch Street using Cut & Cover - this precluded any serious consideration of that route. It might have been different had the Circle been built as a Tube line.
@karlosh9286
10 ай бұрын
Platforms 15 to 18 at Liverpool Street are now pretty empty since the Shenfield to Liverpool Street "Lizzie Line" trains now go through their new shiny Liverpool Street station platform on towards Paddington. I think the track is probably already there, and at times this is done, the "C2C" London Tilbury Southend trains could be redirected into the now pretty empty 4 platforms that used to be used for the Liverpool Street to Shenfield "Greater Anglia Metro" service, and thus Fenchurch Street could be closed. and on the subject of the Liverpool Street Lizzie line platforms, they're MILES away, okay a fair walk from the main bit of Liverpool Street. They could almost be called "Liverpool Street / Moorgate" platforms. Yet another long sub terranean walk between train lines in London ! It's Monument / Bank all over again !
@ulicnik24
11 ай бұрын
They could possibly extend the Waterloo and City line trough the Fenchurch street station.
@mattevans4377
11 ай бұрын
I thought I recognized that tube station (Aldgate). It's nearby to a hotel I stayed in when I went on holiday to London. Didn't realize Fenchurch was also nearby, I could have gone there to do some train spotting.
@Redhand1949
11 ай бұрын
Your knowledge of this subject matter is awesome.
@NickyMitchell85
11 ай бұрын
Yes 🙌, I agree ☝️.
@NickyMitchell85
11 ай бұрын
…and you, Sir. Jago Hazzard, are the ‘out-of-station interchange’ to my KZitem channel !!
@grahamhayward6759
11 ай бұрын
I worked on the office block immediately to the right of FS, as you look at the entrance, it was known as London House then, circa 1990, and on the basement plans, there was clearly marked two 'LPTB Lift Shafts'. They were constructed for future Tube extensions. The pub down the short flight of stairs, the name escapes me, was constructed as a booking hall and circulating area!
@paulhaynes8045
11 ай бұрын
Bearing in mind just how long it takes to get from many (most?) Underground stations to the terminUS bearing the same name, Fenchurch Street is probably best left as it is! It's one of the easiest connections on the system. And it's on the Monopoly board too! Bizarrely, given the context, along with Marylebone...
@sihollett
11 ай бұрын
Pretty sure Jago has done a video on why those stations for Monopoly. They are the 4 LNER terminal stations.
@BarryRowlingsonBaz
11 ай бұрын
TerminUS? This is motion toward! You need the.... accusative! TerminUM.... Now write that out 500 times...
@seanbonella
11 ай бұрын
Nice flag btw
@hb1338
11 ай бұрын
Not bizarre. It tells you the relative importance of the various stations at the time when Monopoly was designed (1930s).
@sihollett
11 ай бұрын
@@hb1338 no it doesn't. It simply tells you who owned them when monopoly was made. The people choosing decided the stations without visiting them (except Kings Cross) and well before they arrived in London to scout out places.
@cappuccinodriverno1
11 ай бұрын
Was intrigued by the blanked out "World Trade Centre " on the old sign with the DLR logo and stopped video to read about it's unfortunate history .
@Jacklullaine
11 ай бұрын
Honestly you make the best vids Jago. Can you do a video about how the 4 london monopoly stations were chosen?
@bobbyx5373
11 ай бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/oph63YV_hYGVgXo
@JagoHazzard
11 ай бұрын
I have!
@postagestamplicker6527
11 ай бұрын
short it may be, but the walk from tower hill to fenchurch street or vice versa is incredibly packed every morning between the tower bridge/tower of london tourists and the commuters, and the pavement is far too small to cope!
@knownothing5518
11 ай бұрын
Relating to the debacle at the beginning of the video of how there are many stations that serve as a terminus to main and how to say that, here is a neat plural form loaned from the Italian language: termini
@FlyingScud
11 ай бұрын
What a pretty station. A jewel in The City.
@phueal
11 ай бұрын
I grew up in London, and went to school about a mile from Fenchurch Street. And I saw it on monopoly boards and things. But because it doesn't have an underground station, as a teenager I literally wondered whether it actually existed: like, was it always fictional perhaps? Did it close down or something? It didn't occur to me that a major station in London could exist and not have a named tube station.
@jeff4362
10 ай бұрын
And that's the reason why the tube map shouldn't be limited to TfL services only. As a wee child I thought trains didn't exist in south London because there were barely any shown on the tube map...
@karlosh9286
10 ай бұрын
They could rename Fenchurch Street to be Tower Hill, and it would be pretty accurate ! Job done, it has it's own London Underground interconnection ! maybe it could be "posh" and have a double barrelled name, "Fenchurch Street and Tower Hill"
@samuelbrown797
11 ай бұрын
Very informative. Thanks Jago!!
@isashax
11 ай бұрын
This is probably the only terminus in London that I haven't visited.
@skyblazeeterno
11 ай бұрын
Same here and Marylebone
@isashax
11 ай бұрын
@@skyblazeeterno I've been to Marylebone when coming from Birmingham. Loved the Monopoly themed toilets!
@vinceturner3863
11 ай бұрын
Having commuted from Thorpe Bay, the easiest way to get on the tube was to get off at Barking and cross the platform for a District tube train, you could do the manoeuvre at Mile End to get onto the Central line. It did take more time though, so to get to Holborn, where I worked, I would walk from Fenchurch Street to Bank station to get the Central Line there.
@meijiturtle3814
11 ай бұрын
I always thought extending the Waterloo & City from Bank to Fenchurch St would have been logical.
@bfapple
11 ай бұрын
Why? The W&C trains are tiny and always full on a weekday.
@GOML27
11 ай бұрын
Jaggo love the videos.. officially a legend
@BarrysViews
11 ай бұрын
Another great and informative video
@dodgydruid
11 ай бұрын
I always remember me mum's daily commute to Bethnal Green from Riverview Park in Gravesend which involved a bus to the town centre, walk down to the ferry, ferry to Tilbury, Tilbury on the "dirty EPB's" to Fenchurch St then a wander to Aldgate I think it was to get the tube to Bethnal Green, she was working at a satellite office in Roman Road to one of the newspapers this was early seventies and during summer holiday's brother and would go in with her and have a lasting memory of being told to eff off by Billy Murray the Kray's sponsored actor as we were sitting on his Mini lol To be fair when my kid brother wailed he was gonna tell me mum, he gave us 50p each (small fortune to a nipper) and a strange batteryless hand cranked torch... Strangely me mum preferred the longer route as she got it all on PT anyway except the LT and she hated the crush on the Gravesend to London Bridge commute when her office was closed and she removed back to Fleet St. Had all my early years suits made in Roman Road and there was an amazing joke shop that sold us lads tons of stink bombs and joke stuff like fly sugar cubes, fake blood etc, the stink bombs were top class and we used to lob them onto the open platforms of passing RT and RM buses and wait for the "dingdingdingdingding" frantically to follow as the clippie would have to have everyone off :P
@colinnewman1962
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. For me the key to Understanding FST is to think of the District Railway not as part of "the tube" - a term which it comfortably predates. In a way the District is more of a 'Crossrail'. As you point out the central London section of the District was joined to the LT&SR by a branch line, so to speak. Think of the District and LTSR more as rival railway companies who were sharing tracks and not as part of different networks ("The Tube" and "National Rail" in modern terms). The idea of the District running trains to Southend sounds remarkable to us if we think of the District as part of the tube, but if we think of it as a suburban railway running through central London (a la Crossrail) it makes much more sense. The parting of ways came, I think, with the decision of the District to go with the 4-rail DC electric system in use on the Underground. This rendered the junction at Bow where District trains could access the LTS&R tracks rather useless, although pre-EMUs the district carriages could be (and were) hauled by LTS&R steam locos east of where the electric traction supply stopped. Of course LTS&R got electrified much later than the Underground, and by a different system. Things may have been very different if both lines had the same traction power system.
@ABCXYZ-vm5rv
11 ай бұрын
Fenchurch Street is the quietest terminus station in London, there is only one rail route, the south Essex line from here to Southend.
@PlanetoftheDeaf
11 ай бұрын
During the week, Fenchurch Street is the archetypal City commuter station, indeed for City workers it's perfect as you can basically walk anywhere in the City from there, thus saving the additional cost. Any anyone needing to go further west, can always change to the Underground at West Ham. At weekends, some C2C trains go to Liverpool Street via Stratford instead, giving better connections for leisure travellers.
@LegendaryHopOnBaby
8 ай бұрын
Given that Tower Gateway's platforms needed to be jiggled to allow better access to Fenchurch St, it feels like something like a bridge could link the two for better connectivity. Not a Tube line, sure, but it'd be something.
@SLOWLYdoesit1
11 ай бұрын
Thatcher was not anti-public transport and it was her government that created the London Docklands regeneration. Thatcher and Hestletine devised the whole regeneration!
@jayfielding1333
11 ай бұрын
Stunning building.
@fyremoon
11 ай бұрын
Fenchurch Street could become a gateway station by providing a concourse under the station with payment machines and escalator link to the surface, then connecting foot tunnels to the respective platforms at Aldgate and Tower Hill. Any commuters needing to get between these two Underground lines can get off at Aldgate and walk to Tower Hill or go to Fenchurch Street. The escalator link between Bank and Monument already exists and serves the same purpose.
@TimMiddleton
11 ай бұрын
5:11 shows the Wilton, which is the club house for the Essex Yacht Club. My brother Andrew is the current Commodore!
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