flashback to when gbay lost lane as panth vs karma
@Sigge_sc
7 жыл бұрын
Karma is panth's worst matchup lmfao
@Chocohalation
7 жыл бұрын
Tank Karma actually does fuck Pantheon over really hard, I don't blame him.
@Sigge_sc
7 жыл бұрын
+WizardXZD exactly what i said
@jayjaygolden5123
7 жыл бұрын
Unless prepared (panth midlane mains shoutout) panth is naturally weak against champions that don't auto attack. The reason he's so hard to deal with for most toplaners is that he can block a lot of their damage by blockijng their auto attacks, while still building full damage.
@Nial
7 жыл бұрын
The Bestiary lmao
@bmbm1
7 жыл бұрын
You wanna know what's also anti-fun? The community
@benasrekasius658
7 жыл бұрын
Sun Tzu Only reason why the damn game sucks. EUNE is the worst imo
@kentuckyfriedchildren5385
6 жыл бұрын
Benzelinas yup... i'm on eune and people love flaming you even if it's normals and even if you say it's your 1st time
@fireheart2345
6 жыл бұрын
\mute all is how you have fun in lol
@DamonDraven
6 жыл бұрын
Ryan Pop That honestly isn't any different in EUW.
@DamianCRWDctrl
6 жыл бұрын
@@DamonDraven there is a difference beetwen the regions thought. Both are very toxic, but, based on my experience, eune is more toxic
@Tomasz0216
7 жыл бұрын
Fight pantheon when a canon wave comes. Canon will prock the pantheon passive and allow you to deal more damage to him. Minions win games.
@quarksarranged
7 жыл бұрын
his shield comes every 4 autos or spell casts, not every time he presses w.
@miyuki-sama2761
7 жыл бұрын
pantheons w gives him the shield leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Pantheon
@RubbyDukky
7 жыл бұрын
Sky Waterer Well then he q w e aa you and gets a free shield. edit: w can give a colossus shield as well
@ohhimark3691
7 жыл бұрын
Duckkun nobody takes colossus on panth
@RubbyDukky
7 жыл бұрын
Bernardo Alves Canudo *hypothetically*
@DigitalDiscDreamer
7 жыл бұрын
All these people misunderstand his argument. He is *not* saying that Pantheon is OP or that he should be nerfed. He is saying that Pantheon is a very feast or famine champion that is oppressive in lane but sucks ass in team fights. He *needs* a rework because his kit is completely gimmicky and is against Riot's current design of making champions that are not only fun to play as but to play against.
@Crabgar
7 жыл бұрын
Also he really needs a visual uptade *DID YOU SEE HIS FEET?!*
@necroplastful
7 жыл бұрын
No panth can be really good in TFs if you land a good ult. If you dont, hell just be the one following an engage...
@DigitalDiscDreamer
7 жыл бұрын
necroplastful That may be true in lower elos but in higher elos they focus you and easily one shot you.
@DigitalDiscDreamer
7 жыл бұрын
beto hax Your point being?...... So what if Pantheon is counterable. He's not saying he's broken. Your other point that Gbay said laning phase does not matter anymore is a small slash against him but it does not make his case wrong. Assuming that what he said about laning phase as incorrect and therefore his entire argument as wrong is the fallacy fallacy. Look it up if you don't know about it.
@DigitalDiscDreamer
7 жыл бұрын
beto hax Upon further examination of myself, yes I admit I made a strawman fallacy against you. However, the points that you address though mostly true, (except the generalization that all Challengers think laning phase is important), are not addressing the problem that Panth suffers as a champion in general. Yes it is true that the ult is for global pressure and some possible team set ups but takes quite a few seconds to happen giving enemy players enough time to dodge it entirely. I agree with what you said about Panth having mana issues. Even though laning is indeed very important, team fights are considerably much more important. Sure Panth can "engage" with his w but because he is not a tank nor bruiser, he gets blown up easily. His ult like I said is only good if the enemy team is ccd to hell. The only saving grace of Panth's ult is that it makes a "zone of inhibition". It could discourage the enemy team from engaging on your carries.
@jakubheba9461
7 жыл бұрын
2:34 " Pantheon will free farm" then misses a cs xD
@aligibani2555
6 жыл бұрын
you hawk eyed bitch! xD i didnt notice that untill now!
@Prodigial
7 жыл бұрын
Beginning to notice a pattern here. Gbay loses to some champion top, makes a video talking about how strong they are, plays the champion a ton over a week or two, fails to do well, and then quietly returns to Irelia.
@lirimiri7034
7 жыл бұрын
BonJoviFanboy "makes a video about how strong they are" ye sure, cuz he says that he thinks that panth is not op
@lirimiri7034
7 жыл бұрын
0:27
@Prodigial
7 жыл бұрын
Insurance so he doesn't get torn apart in the comments. He obviously thinks Panth is incredibly strong, just because he says they aren't OP doesn't mean that's what he really thinks.
@BigBait12
7 жыл бұрын
That argument is incredibly weak because there isn't any evidence to prove that and gbay straight up contradicts the statement in the video. If it's so obvious please provide evidence.
@Prodigial
7 жыл бұрын
I think this video is evidence enough. Him calling for a rework. Either way, you can't say this isn't what he's done in the past. He'll say something is incredibly good, try it out, do poorly since you can't cheese easy wins in diamond, and then go back to his main. Happened with WW, Fizz, Galio, etc..
@Smilezlol
7 жыл бұрын
This comment section just sums up the league community so perfectly.
@tatortoyz
7 жыл бұрын
You must have never laned against jayce
@JChavo666
7 жыл бұрын
easiest lane by far
@DerVasto
6 жыл бұрын
All Jayces I played against play like pussies. I get that he´s about poke, but come on. He doesn´t do anything other than that and last-hit you with hammer form if you get poked down. But as soon as he sees that you can and will all-in, as far as my experience goes, they don´t even try and trade with you. They just run like that kid that spits paperballs at you in school.
@handyman8051
5 жыл бұрын
Jayce has counterplay and counterpicks but for that reason pantheon falls off harder than jayce mid game.Also personally speaking im a camille one trick so jayce for me isnt a bad matchup.
@TheMilNok
7 жыл бұрын
Swain (most range champs top lane) can last hit decent against pantheon
@lirimiri7034
7 жыл бұрын
Zuruki he also adressed that in the video. + i never saw a decent panth player loose a lane against swain.
@anotheracrux4966
7 жыл бұрын
he is good in jungle tho
@skelecharge1417
7 жыл бұрын
Pantheons Spear if you have crit and exactly 350 AD can hit for and i quote 1075.5 Damage...
@AjayKumar-ht9pk
7 жыл бұрын
Max E on riven and go CDR Quints and glyphs,after 1 or 2 items pantheon will do shit vs you.
@nightcore2478
6 жыл бұрын
Zuruki this channel is gay
@nandopaiva4848
7 жыл бұрын
The only reason you kind of won that lane was because that Riven was bad and afraid. E at lvl1 against Pantheon and good timing would make you do 0 damage and your mana pool would suffer... At lvl 3 she can easily outdamage you. At lvl6 you're pretty much dead since your ult is useless in duels. Pantheon has a high win rate because it's just easier to not fuck up and feed and just as Shen, he is good for macro plays. About playing against a stupid matchup, have you played against a good Jayce? Welp, hepo you didn't, that is a fucking nightmare lane for melee champions...
@necroplastful
7 жыл бұрын
jayce has the same problem as panth. Very strong early to mid. ATROCIOUSLY shitty late. But unlike panth where its easy as shit to play safe against him, you have to get gud to lane against a jayce. Plus Jayces hammer Q got nerfed soooooooo hard that the king of all in that was jayce now feels so lackluster. And I played sooooo much jayce back in the day. Jayce is not op now (unlike end of S6 where he was a nightmare) and id almost say, he pretty shitty.
@gumballawesome9862
7 жыл бұрын
sausage
@fahim_arif
7 жыл бұрын
prawns?
@gumballawesome9862
7 жыл бұрын
Popstuff i agree
@collinbyrd6847
7 жыл бұрын
you mean shrimp.
@ChrisB71394
7 жыл бұрын
D5 Swain main here, and I have to say Swain is the answer to the Pantheon top crisis. Why? While Gbay's logic for pre-6 still holds true for Swain, as this is certainly not your strong point, I consider the match-up post-6: Passive: Panth's passive is not crucial when your primary damage is spellcasts. Q harass: Post-6 you will not have to worry about him whittling you down, if he comes into range to Q you, he is in your spell range. W: He has chosen to all in you. If you are anywhere above 50% or so, you will not lose an extended trade. E: Same logic as W. R: Not useful for laning. If he is smart though he will engage on you with this from behind. Ultimately if you play your cards right and don't feed him pre-6 and watch for an ignite cheese, you should not lose lane to Pantheon as Swain.
@ionshatter9622
5 жыл бұрын
You should not loose Lane as swain period. A lifesteal tank burst mage isn't exactly hard to loose to by any champion.
@saitogaika838
7 жыл бұрын
if you remove Pantheon and put kayle it would be the same for atleast the 3 first min of this video
@RSBickAKaby
7 жыл бұрын
If you play any champ that can easily hard push like Quas Nasus you take away pantheon's laning phase. He has trouble pushing cause most of the time they max Q first instead of E and by pushing waves into his tower he can't roam with his ult. Get a ZZ'Rot portal and it becomes a free lane.
@RubbyDukky
7 жыл бұрын
Jayjay Sahin The problem is that you can't push the lane while pantheon is there because he's just going to zone you the entire time. And when he's not there, he'll be mandropping onto your team and getting kills.
@mambu7896
7 жыл бұрын
She is not nearly as bad as pantheon. Sure she might have the range advantage, but at least you have a huge window in lane to punish her e.
@AysarAburrub
7 жыл бұрын
Kayle is another one of those old ass champions with a very simplistic, 0 skill-shot, braindead bullshit oppressive kits just like Pantheon. Only difference is that Kayle needs items to scale, whereas Pantheon dominates in the early game.
@RSBickAKaby
7 жыл бұрын
When you do E max on nasus before you even do your first back if he decides to zone you from the minion wave you harass him with your E. Your E range is father than Pantheon's Q range. Eventually at lvl 5 when you put 3 ranks on your E he cant deal with you anymore. I've done this match up so many times and each time a pantheon can't do anything. Notice how on the video Gbay always show some semi-squishy AD melee champ? Because they're the most susceptible champs to pantheon. But if you show a champion that has no problem with rushing armour and tonnes of it Pantheon doesn't do anything
@Ex0214
7 жыл бұрын
As a player who has 200k mastery spread across 3 accounts ranging from mid gold-high plat I respectfully have to disagree. I tune into Keegun's stream quite a lot so much of this is based off of what he thinks. Perhaps you are biased because a majority of the champs you play (irelia, galeo, etc) are countered by pantheon in the early levels but even then there are countermeasures you can take (which you mentioned). Taking Dorans shield with 9 armor seals/glyphs/1 quint will negate much of the early Q harass you are worried about. Furthermore if pantheon spams Q while you are running this setup he will go oom well before level 3. Your argument that him taking corrupting pot prevents him from going oom is false. In fact in order to compensate for the low mana gains received by corrupting pot, there is an alternative start is to go flask+mana crystal. Lastly, this oppressiveness doesn't even last very long since pantheon is at an inherent disadvantage come level 6, because he only has 3 combat skills. This is not even taking into account the jungle pressure and lane factors like wave management. For instance, say I get an early kill on you and I am taken very low and am also forced to back. You can instantly tp back to lane and freeze lane under tower and request a jungler gank. So much about pantheon is focusing on the macro game and not so much about Q harass and winning lane. At the end of it all if you still can't win lane with the aforementioned setup then you can always take exhaust. In terms of your video, I liked it more when you talked about parts of pantheon problems and what you disliked about him. The instant you went from facts to "I know what I have to do, but its so boring" is where you lost me. League is not just about 1v1 brawling and outplaying your opponent. Its very much more about playing around your team and securing the victory. (Also play illaoi if you have no other way to beat pantheon). -Pantheon main.
@zachmccann3501
7 жыл бұрын
THIS. I really wish more people like you existed. People can disagree with someone's opinion without raging/flaming at said person. You back up with what you disagree on with facts and provide specific examples of how to counter various parts of pantheon's kit that Gbay found utterly oppressive/unfun to play against and provided a detailed plan on how to defeat pantheon. Personally I think Pantheon is in need of a rework and think his kit is very "formulaic" as gbay put it and is quite uninteractive, however I do understand that because I do not have much experience playing vs a pantheon my opinion is largely hypothetical and based on what others tell me, which means it is quite possibly incorrect. Even if I don't necessarily agree with you I still think you deserve a thumbs up :) Also I am not saying Gbay's argument was based on him being salty or calling Pantheon OP and I do think his explanation was well though out.
@CoffeeSipper555
7 жыл бұрын
Ex0214 yeah let me afk farm 15 min with - 50 cs because you invalidated 90% of the champs' pool
@sunburn8273
7 жыл бұрын
Ex0214 Yeah but is it *fun* to play against. That's the whole point of his video, Pantheon is unhealthy and anti fun.
@papma123
7 жыл бұрын
You can't say that though, fun is subjective. I find matchups that my champions win fun because it's a free laning phase, but i hate skill matchups because i don't like the idea of messing up. Others might like skill matchups because it could go either way. People have different definitions of fun. Personally, i find laning against pantheon pretty fun(as riven), he can't really poke you because you have your E and D shield, he is always shoving so my jungler will be able to gank and get me ahead, then level 6 it's in my favour.
@aristosachaion_
7 жыл бұрын
Pantheon is only "anti-fun" if you let him be, imo. His passive is bullshit but he can only get a maximum of 3 up at a time and provided you don't go into the trade like a moron, none of your abilities are on cooldown, and you still have at least half health, you will almost always come out on top against him if he dives you when you're even. If you're really low though and you think he's going to dive you, just leave your tower unless you're confident you can kill him. His q is ass to play against, too, but going doran's shield and the setup op mentioned will negate plenty of that early damage, and as Neace said on one of his videos, you can only cs if he (or any ranged champion) lets you. So if against Pantheon, play as safely as possible, farm however you can and ask for frequent ganks, because if your own champion has no poke to harass him back or sustain to survive his poke (fuck you, Nasus), it'll be a farm fest for him. Laning phase is his window for snowballing so if you don't feed him kills, even if he takes a lot of cs and possibly a tower from you, you'll still kick his ass in late game because everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, eventually outscales him.
@FriendsOfTheAMS
7 жыл бұрын
tl;dr pantheon put gbay on tilt
@frostlyspark5842
7 жыл бұрын
People keep saying shit like this, if you actually watch the fuckin video you'd realize that Gbay doesn't hate the champion, and even said panth was balanced. It's just that his laning phase isn't fun due to his one dimensional kit.
@lirimiri7034
7 жыл бұрын
Gul'Dan idk how people like you always get that many upvotes. He is abusing panth himself, but thinks (even if you wins the game) if there is a panth top lane , it isnt fun. And thats the main thing games should accomplish. Being fun.
@FriendsOfTheAMS
7 жыл бұрын
why do you people always take comments so seriously
@Doubleranged1
7 жыл бұрын
beto hax idc what challengers say because their elo is not relevant to 99% of all players. their opinion on the matter of balance in low elo shouldn't be based on their personal experience, which is the case in your example. azir used to be op in challenger and was always played, but in bronze he was not much better than other midlaners. people don't need challenger players opinion. people need educated opinion.
@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
7 жыл бұрын
Dude it's Ranked it is not supposed to be fun it is supposed to be a place of trying to win
@AppleBoomDrop
7 жыл бұрын
"Love watching bad Rivens dying with the new skin" Made me laugh lol
@etriuse4354
7 жыл бұрын
Low cost store brand great value "Can we talk about this"
@Gobzilla2010
7 жыл бұрын
You kinda talked more about why Pantheon annoys you (which I totally get) than going into why nobody talks about him. Probably should have just titled the video "Why Pantheon annoys me". Plus the play rate and win rate is probably in response to Riven's popularity, just throwing that out there
@wyattarn
6 жыл бұрын
TheAquaMonster oh boy, Thats some genuine bias rite cheer.
@Sony-ny3xx
6 жыл бұрын
why would you waste your time writing this comment? it actually serves no purpose
@MadderoftheFew
6 жыл бұрын
Neither does your comment. Neither does this one. The shit we say about each other doesn't matter.
@Sony-ny3xx
6 жыл бұрын
why would you waste your time writing this comment? it actually serves no purpose
@dootdoot6130
6 жыл бұрын
+Sony aaand you've written 2 comments saying other peoples comments are purposeless
@Queeb
6 жыл бұрын
3:57 didn't know Yao Ming played league
@CompleteRespawn
7 жыл бұрын
Would love a higher ranked player *cough* Keegun, to respond to this. I'm sure you understand a champion which can get you into Challenger has to be versatile, describing him as linear is a bit unfair considering Irelia herself would fall into the same linear bracket if that's the case. Anyway,it is a well made video and has some nice points but I just disagree. Finally, if we're all going to give out about unfun champs Riot should just delete teemo. Teemos whole tactic is about starving the other laner and only split pushing in a mine field.
@Sony-ny3xx
6 жыл бұрын
BLOCKS TURRET SHOTS, 4 SECOND COOLDOWN ON Q WITH 45 MANA COST AND 140% AD SCALING, 100% CRIT CHANCE LVL 1. Doesn't that sound annoying?
@JeremyH115
6 жыл бұрын
well to be honest there are some who have used garen to get to challenger, i think that is about as linear as you can possibly get, other than that i do completely agree with the rest of your statement. Panth is still annoying to lane against, manageable but annoying.
@wasimislam3435
7 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone decided to bring light to the bane of top lane. Ive never felt so useless as i am during the first 10 minutes of a game laning against a pantheon.
@Woollieriowa8
7 жыл бұрын
I honestly really enjoy the panth matchup (being a gangplank main myself). It teaches a lot about what is actually safe cs and what you can actually do at certain points without overstepping. This knowledge about how safe to play and under what circumstances transfers very well into more skill based (but still horrid) matchups like riven and Fiona.
@logangoulbourn7213
7 жыл бұрын
pantheon`s w got me out of bronze and silver feelsgoodman
@tkd_sumira9755
5 жыл бұрын
I am from the future to inform that pantheon has been reworked. He is now actually an interesting champion that is fun to play His Q turned into a skillshot GBAY,your wishes have come true
@trumpetperson11
7 жыл бұрын
I feel like renekton is almost impossible to beat in lane, would panth be a good counter to renekton or would they just go even.
@aristosachaion_
7 жыл бұрын
trumpetperson11 I've only played against Renekton a few times as Panth and tbh, he can zone you just as well as you can zone him, and he can snowball just as hard if given a lead. Renekton's advantage over Panth is that he doesn't need mana, and if you pick Doran's shield on him, Panth's Q damage will be minimal. Renekton's damage early game is also nuts if you play your cards right, and come level 6, you'll have the advantage. TL;DR: Yes, a good Renekton is a good counter vs Pantheon
@wiscord3453
5 жыл бұрын
Nasus is a counter against renekton. So yeah renekton is good in early game.
@Nasteey
7 жыл бұрын
Keep up the unique videos gBay really solid stuff
@aleksajanic4414
7 жыл бұрын
Holy shit i forgot this chapm still exists, i even saw urgot in my recent games, but panth?!?
@peppermeister8165
6 жыл бұрын
5:50 You can actually guarantee at least three if you do it right. Stack 3 stacks of passive, W. Then enter into the fight. When they pop the first shield, use any ability or AA. Once that’s popped use your W, that’s three procs in one fight.
@Guts-the-Berserker
7 жыл бұрын
Playing against Pantheon is like playing Garen against anyone. They get to free farm all day as if they're Pantheon because Riot hates Garen that much.
@ohwowitsthatguy9154
6 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the indescribable hell that is the Garen vs Pantheon match-up then.
@ultimatesonic47
6 жыл бұрын
Nicholas Art garen gana porque no se le puede cortar la e y mitiga un montón de daño con la w y ademas en unos segundos se cura toda la vida, y además también tiene r para el uno vs uno no como pantheon
@nielsvo6801
7 жыл бұрын
I actually feel like you're improving your content at the moment gbae
@lyrokun541
7 жыл бұрын
Panth Q > Riven E champ countered and riven whould never lose vs him if they are on the same skill level and if pantheon die 1-2 times in the early he will never come back aggain his game is over
@kosuke-nightcoreunited7057
6 жыл бұрын
Panth Q deals slightly more damage than Rivens E shields.
@kevinmartensson8267
6 жыл бұрын
You missed the entire point of the video and because of that I Will not even try to explain how stupid your argument is.
@dharcsu
6 жыл бұрын
Level Riven E.
@vibingzilla5097
6 жыл бұрын
you can clearly see that he was losing to the riven, until the lee sin ganked him (riven almost killed both) and he got advantage, if they stay 1v1, riven will always win (if not a newbie on riven)
@yongamer
7 жыл бұрын
I hope pantheons rework is something like this. Passive increase your ms, bonus ad and gives more tenacity. It activates if you are able to deal damage 3 times to enemies without receiving any damage. q is skillshot, but ignore minions, same range as before. W takes up pantheon shield, blocking like Fiora w and all enemies straight in front of him gets pushed back. Pantheon e is the normal E. Pantheons ult is the same as normal ult, except the area of impact is lower and you can move your ult while falling down.
@Revenant-oq9ts
7 жыл бұрын
I pick Nunu vs Pantheon and rush frozen heart or sunfire. Nunu's poke is scarier than panth's
@aristosachaion_
7 жыл бұрын
Jeremiah Catingub TBFH
@SauloGoki
7 жыл бұрын
Gbay: "but hey..." Me: "IT'S JUST A THEORY. A GAAME THEORY"
@brianknapp3989
7 жыл бұрын
The riven used 2 q's to gap close and didn't intermingle autos, weak argument bro
@ohhimark3691
7 жыл бұрын
brian knapp agree, that part of the video wasn't well thought out. I could show a million clips of numerous champions just because champions A kit counters champion B in some form (like teemo blind, or Kassa shield)
@viggoekstrom
7 жыл бұрын
lmao riven main
@anjanrajamani8821
7 жыл бұрын
10:16 Please tell me I'm not the only person expecting "That's just a theory, a Gbay99 theory! "
@tyruslunarspear6894
7 жыл бұрын
Gbay were you at the Falador massacre?
@KiyanPocket
6 жыл бұрын
I think they best change Pantheon’s ult, make it faster and add a slow effect on the circle before he lands. Proceed to change the Q mana cost to 65 on all levels, W mana cost to 50 all levels with 14 sec cd also all levels. They also need to make his base mana to 350 instead of 200+. That’s good enough for a compromise for Pantheon mains.
@autumnapathy2436
7 жыл бұрын
A lot of people are saying Pantheon isn't broken and isn't overpowered, but I think you guys are missing the point. If you rush tabis, don't come near the minions at all, CS the melee minions under turret and wait for a gank or just wait until you outscale him and warn your team whenever he's gone. He's nothing. But that's boring as hell. Falling behind 50-60 CS in the first 20 minutes then when he leaves to ult mid lane you have to frantically ping just to get your mid laner out of there isn't *fun* to play against. He's not OP he's, as Gbay said, anti-fun.
@autumnapathy2436
7 жыл бұрын
You don't understand the point so I'll attempt to give more examples. If I play Riven into Jayce or Akali or the strongest tank in the Meta at that time(like Maokai and Poppy last year), then I should expect to lose lane. I should expect to fall down maybe 10-30 CS at the most and if they misplay I should be able to potentially get a kill. If I get a gank or 2 I should be able to win the lane. When it's Riven or anybody into Pantheon I expect to get demolished in lane, if I try to walk up to CS level 3 and after I should expect to get chunked, if I'm under turret I should only be hitting the melee minions maybe unless I accidentally let myself get chunked. There's no other champion that does this, sure Quinn is annoying but you don't get forced to fall down 50-60 CS in any match up unless it's blatantly not good for top lane. I can outplay her, if I get a gank and I'm a tank I can get to the point where her damage isn't enough to completely zone me off, if I'm a duelist I can expect to fight her under certain circumstances. But against Pantheon I can get a gank and still get outtraded, or as Gbay said if him and I are even I can expect to lose unless I outplay him at the very last sliver of my health. There's no matchup where you get abused as much as Pantheon can abuse you top lane. EDIT: Minus maybe Urgot, in certain matchups you can expect to be abused, but he's deemed anti-fun by riot as well which is why he's getting reworked.
@areytha4873
7 жыл бұрын
I don't know about anyone else (apparantly) but for me the Riven into Pantheon tends to work out in Riven's favor. It's an E max lane, for sure, but if you just hover Panth and let him throw spears at you wasting mana, you'll probably be able to fight him on even ground
@c4lvingg190
7 жыл бұрын
Mario Pham u do realize Quinn's mid game is just roaming and getting kills and top t1 dosent really matter to Quinn players in mid games
@autumnapathy2436
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah i realize that. But she'll still be top oft, especially if you're in a game with a decent team who don't put themselves in a position to get killed by a Quinn gank.
@c4lvingg190
7 жыл бұрын
Mario Pham ok first of all Quinn is not a duelist almost any tank bruiser like poppy can out damage her in a duel the goal for a Quinn to get lvl 6 n roam n get kills or objectives when u say decent team and putting themselves in a position which they can't be killed Quinn? What position are their? Under tower? Tower dives can happen with Quinn killing enemy jungler and counter jungling can happen Quinn or sieging towers with ur bot lane or mid lane or just getting objectives and put ur team really far ahead. Killing isn't the only that matters to Quinn taking 1 tower = 3 kills
@KiraYoake
6 жыл бұрын
Your vids are so well made, full of comparissions and thought, got to love them!
@Dawibo12
7 жыл бұрын
A Riven can't 1 v 2 vs Pantheon and Lee Sin? OVERPOWERED!!!!!
@frostlyspark5842
7 жыл бұрын
This comment is completely wrong. Gbay's argument was that had it been any other champion in that situation, and he would have died.
@CompleteRespawn
7 жыл бұрын
Marvin Duroseau I mean, that's just a stupid comment. Kayle Ult, Kindred Ult...plenty of hard CC champs would have lived that, shield champs like Naut could live that. Literally any champion could potentially survive that if played correctly, granted some more than others. In this case I don't even believe Pantheon would have found it easiest
@lirimiri7034
7 жыл бұрын
David Borden he was just giving an example how frustating things like these are. If i were that riven i wouldve been annoyed.
@theepicguy13
7 жыл бұрын
Marvin Duroseau so youre saying Pantheon's kit allowed him to do something other's don't? WTF!?!?!?
@PKMN649
7 жыл бұрын
"I have the attention span of a 2 year old and the comprehetion skills of one."
@logans4789
7 жыл бұрын
I saw a post a while ago about a cool q change proposal that I suppose I'll share Pantheon NEW Q- Pantheon throws his spear as a skillshot. if it hots, it deals damage and slows the target. pantheon then pulls out a short sword, sacrificing range/some damage for increases attack speed. while the sword is active, pantheon can recast Q to sweep the sword in a cone on front of him, dealing damage and bleeding enemies hit for a small DoT
@dhiabenzineb9745
7 жыл бұрын
pick nasus and outscale him at 15-20 min
@BigBait12
7 жыл бұрын
I lost you at pick nasus. If you're higher than gold people will fucking obliterate you if you pick nasus. The game will be over before 15-20 minutes.
@dhiabenzineb9745
7 жыл бұрын
im silver 3 gold V mmr and alwase outscale panths i go 0 8 or 0 10 and carry the team
@b1ackkni9ht18
6 жыл бұрын
Dhia Benzineb probably youngot carried by your team
@9324981
6 жыл бұрын
i agree
@wiscord3453
5 жыл бұрын
Nasus is the best champ
@Swagbastian
7 жыл бұрын
"But hey, that's just my opinion, A GBAY OPINION! Thanks for watching."
@awesomeassasinkid
7 жыл бұрын
You telling me that this low Elo diamond top laner who's been playing for like 11 years just realized that pantheon, a champion with a 50+% win rate for months now is only flawed by his late game. smh
@mohab-7960
7 жыл бұрын
Non 11 years?????
@asaksdasd
7 жыл бұрын
0:55. Any other questions on why we're not talking about Pantheon?
@n1kewastaken_
7 жыл бұрын
#DontNerfPantheon 😂😂
@hellstorme
7 жыл бұрын
A quick review of top lane int he current meta for GoldBay99: Fiora: Free Bonus %HP True damage scaling off HER bonus AD and the target's HP. An auto reset, a guaranteed crit on that reset, a way to block ALL incoming damage and reflect any CC as a stun, 2 slows, a team-fight/healing ultimate that lets her (potentially with enough AD in her kit) 3-4 shot ANY champion in the game, and only needs to build 2-3 damage items to do it against some of the tankiest champs in the game with 3-4 tank items. Camille: Escape/engage on an easy to land skill shot that makes her arguably one of the most mobile champions in the game, auto reset for true damage, an aoe heal with a slow attached, a 'mother of god why give that to a hyper-mobile squishy killer and tank shredder' ultimate, a damage-type based shield, and %HP based damage on that 'mother of god' ultimate. Irelia: Point-click dash that applies on-hit effects, has outrageous AD scaling for a dash ability with a max rank and CDR build of like 4 seconds. A passive on an ability that gives her a free vamp scepter (actually better than that in early game considering the % scaling factor), and when that ability is actived EACH HIT deals bonus true damage. A stun/slow that auto-detects if she is winning the fight or not and decides what she needs to use. A ranged 4 shot ultimate that hits everything it passes through and heals her for a percentage of the total damage done. Swain: Is your entire kit melee ranged? Then I win the lane. Are you mobile with *some* ranged if not entirely? Then you have a chance. Renekton: Oh boy, where to start with this asshole? Dashes, sustain, no mana bar, aoe, ground-and-pound turret diver, naturally tanky so can either go bruiser or even glass canon squishy annihilator because of his steroid ult. Riven: Cancer champ that is face-role easy unless you are trying to orb-walk like a challenger player. But at least she has 0 healing in her kit. None. 90% of the time it is a skill matchup. Steroid ultimate means she is never truly behind to the point of being useless unless all other lanes on her team lost. Kennen: Did the enemy pick any type of melee against you? Yes? Congratz, build whatever you want you probably won the lane if you aren't stupid. You run from ganks at the speed of light, you spam stuns and can turret harass and dive without building tank with free CC on a passive and a team fight/1v1 ult that makes you cancer. Rumble: Faceroll, just press Q and run at them, press W and run away if getting ganked, ult well in team fights... But hey, again, 0 healing in the kit. Standard build melts tanks and squishy alike, even if you out-trade or 1v1 kill a rumble chances are you are at like 20% HP and need to back anyway and the lane resets. Darius: Camp him, he loses lane, easily kited, put some slows in your team and avoid letting him walk around freely in team fights, you win. Garen: Camp him, he loses lane, falls off massively late game regardless of villain target. Either has to build full tank to survive or glass canon diver to be able to help and is then vulnerable to focus fire. Vulnerable to kiting. Teemo: Camp him, he will never be able to leave top lane and shroom around objectives or be able to shut down your ADC/carries. Nasus: Camp him or his other lanes, push in the objectives and make farming dangerous for him, arguably the WEAKEST early game of any champ in any lane (arguable) regardless of build path. Olaf: Weak to ganks, no dashes or mobility in kit besides ult. Ignite can easily win the lane against him. With no natural 'mid game' role (where is the majority of game outcomes are being decided) other than turret diving with his ult, he is forced to wonder until true team fights/ARAM starts up. So a strogn mix of great early game 1v1, great late game 5v5, weird weakness in mid game skirmishes or pushes. Tryndamere: Make sure he can't split push and/or flank, you win. Regardless of how well he won lane, if he won it, he can't engage or team fight as well as any other laner without some decent peel and/or engage already on the team, and even then he can't really team fight that well because he will be a glass canon without ult. Gangplank: Farm simulator 2.0, weakest early game in top lane besides Nasus/Susan, needs an outrageous amount of farm and/or kills and farm to be useful in late game and is basically useless outside of team fights. Nautilus: You're just there to make sure they can't FB top turret, and maybe tank mid and late game. You will get pushed in constantly and maybe even 3-4 man dove repeatedly. You won't get crap for KDA unless you get ganks, which is unlikely since the jungler sees 0 benefit in attempting to farm your CC heavy lane for kills. (Seriously, if Naut even lands half his kit, Lee Sin gets a kill every gank... Yet no one ganks for Nautilus.) Shen: You're strong, but leaving lane is now punishable by losing 6 turrets in .25 seconds so your ultimate is now actually out of meta in anything other than team fights. Seriously, leaving lane is bad since you were either losing the lane and they get to free-farm and push, or you were winning lane and they get to reset that advantage with free-farm and push. Wukong: If you aren't ahead, your team loses, period. You're there to destroy the team fight and if the enemy is ahead you will just get focused and destroyed in .2 seconds. Also, rediculous mana costs punish you for playing aggressive even in a favorable matchup. Gnar: You're probably going to die, a lot, if the enemy jungler is not smoking crack and the enemy lane knows when to start the fight with you (pro tip, Mega Gnar at 10% Gnar bar, start chasing him and trying to start the trade, mini gnar comes out and either has to kite or die because his shit is probably all on CD besides Q). Trundle: Welcome back buddy, you were missed, but you're still an anti-tank unkillable monster, not a lane dominator. Sion: What are you doing up here, you're support now, didn't you get the memo? J4/Xin: Both dive heavy, both great duelists, but no natural ability to do anything other than blow up squishy targets. Also the amount of dashes and auto-resets and tank melters in top lane make your kits basically irrelevant. That's most of the meta top laners, sure there are some niche picks or other ones I didn't mention. But sure, Pantheon is the problem. It's PANTHEON that is ruining top lane... PANTHEON is the bad guy for being the only thing that can beat the 7 'meta' top laners in lane (again without jungle pressure either way). It isn't that those champs have overloaded kits that make the entire state of Wisconsin jealous with the amount of cheese in them. It isn't that the only way to beat %HP True damage is to pick a champ with even more outrageous free damage in it's kit to burst them down faster and force them to build tanky/bruiser (making your squishy allies more safe overall). It isn't that because so many champs in the top lane have 100,000 fucking dashes in their kit you have to pick the one champ with a point-click gap closing stun to be able to win a trade with them... Na, PANTHEON is just the OP one here. Na, let's all bitch about PANTHEON because that is the real problem here.
@ryu-ji5qx
7 жыл бұрын
This champion is most cancerous counter to Fiora, she even can't do anything against him. W has too quick animation to block it, unless you're using scripts lol.
@Draux.
7 жыл бұрын
Are you bronze ? It the easiest shit you can block with fiora in the game.
@ryu-ji5qx
7 жыл бұрын
Mathieu Delage ? Pantheons W? If he's close then no. If he is far away and uses W then yes.
@ultimatesonic47
6 жыл бұрын
es muy facil, aun si no bloqueas su w con unas mercuriales sales del stun sobrado para bloquear dos golpes de la e y aun asi mitigar un montón de daño además de que tienes r para duelos y el no
@LightVelox
6 жыл бұрын
4 triggered fiora mains
@finalbaoz2807
7 жыл бұрын
Being a panth main my self, all you really have to do when you see an enemy Pantheon on the enemy team is just lock Malphite and go bandit. Early you start with Dorans shield and then get a Dorans ring on your first back when you get too low and then stack armor since thats what malphite scales really well with. You can farm with q in lane and you can always tp where he is ulting to help your team deal with his roaming. If played correctly, you deny him his early game completely and then you outscale him in the late game. I know this might be boring to play against but isnt that how it works for every single god damn lane bully? They always fall off in some kind of way.
@amoetodi7623
7 жыл бұрын
If riven takes E first, and times it right with your Q, you will do almost 0 dmg to her and run out of mana.... Riven on the other hand has no mana , so all she has to do is E every single one of your Q's until you ran out of mana and then make a full engage and it's over -Pantheon main
@josephcox3091
5 жыл бұрын
This was a long time ago, and may sound stupid but I used to body pantheon with Heimindinger, I wouldn't get a lot of kills but I would out CS pantheon and starve him of CS by using well placed turrets. To the point where I would get maybe two kills the whole match but I would take the towers and I would have a substantial advantage on minion kills. Which effectively made him useless early game. Where as Heim would be strong late game with the missiles.
@thegevin6267
7 жыл бұрын
gbay you are so right, but penth late game is super shit so in low elo most of the games get to 35 40 min and he falls off super hard. but in early game, he is super toxic to play against like some other champs: urgot Vladimir and more....
@konstantinjovanovski2754
7 жыл бұрын
he still has a positive winrate at 40+ minutes
@LightVelox
6 жыл бұрын
he is good very late game, he is only REALLY BAD mid-to-late game
@ace8519
7 жыл бұрын
if youre good enough you can actually trigger a triple shield, get 3 stacks on passive then w a minion or something before the fight itll trigger and when off cd you can block-w for shield 2 block- auto for the 3rd
@LyricalTampon
7 жыл бұрын
Saltbay99
@dailylegend
6 жыл бұрын
Before the Shen rework, I used to play Shen in all games vs a Panth, old Shen was a great counter, because you could time your shield and block any spear harass. Likewise, your q dagger throw still did dmg to him and would regen you, and you build early armor, which would mean his combo couldn't kill you. Only his passive was annoying. Also, when he ults to your team, you ult an ally, or dash to interrupt.
@TheTeamSlayerHD
7 жыл бұрын
I'm the hecarim :D
@analysttherapist2929
7 жыл бұрын
No, I'm the hecarim
@bangotrue1089
6 жыл бұрын
No , you're both morons
@EnderSlayerFtw
7 жыл бұрын
Another thing to say is panth can actually be a big threat in a team fight. If you have a team that knows when to go in you can ult in and get either all of them or get a few and the others escapes. he isn't amazing but if you play him smart he is a god
@SapSapirot
7 жыл бұрын
I was taking you seriously until you started to say that riven or irelia should be in anyway more interactive than pantheon. If anything those two are worse champs than him
@qwerty2269nd
6 жыл бұрын
Thats not even remotely true lol.
@1323-y7i
5 жыл бұрын
Were you fucking high writing this stupid ass shit?
@1323-y7i
5 жыл бұрын
They're both incredibly high skill capped champions. Look at box box for example.
@maharbot2711
7 жыл бұрын
All you have to do is rush a have a decent rune page, rush chain vest/ninja tabi and you'll outscale him. As long as your prepared he is easy to deal with.
@aplaceoncebelonged
7 жыл бұрын
Pro Strat: Cycle 3 autos on minions then w the minion. Now when you trade you can block 3 autos. Get autoed, q or aa to get your sheild back, get aa, w to get your sheild. You should be able to get them half hp with out taking one aa.
@kieru6061
7 жыл бұрын
Pantheon can get 3 shields if he sets up correctly. 3 stacks of agies, then a w before a fight. You can then get you shield popped, auto once get another one, get that popped and then use your w for your third shield.
@alexkim3794
7 жыл бұрын
When gbay said "but hey" I honestly thought he was gonna say "its just a theory a game theory annnnd cut"
@Pedro0320
7 жыл бұрын
hey gbay, one pick that I like to use against pantheon is actually mordekaiser. Although you are very likely to get ganked, pantheon will have a hard time poking you because of your shield, if he jumps on you, you can recover large amounts of health using W and further increasing how much damage you can soak via your passive. Mordekaiser is a bit tricky to get a good grasp of him but I suggest you giving it a try.
@rookiebobplayer244
6 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you solely because they changed the champs that could deal with him. Old gragas, cho Garth, yorick, heimerdinger and even adc top laners used to be a thing but the meta shifted so much and the character changes just reinforce the abilities of this one character making him hard to deal with. Same even goes for teemo
@SoulLoveBase
7 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but that example you are so keen on, only shows the OP nature of Lee Sin, not Pantheon. And the reason why he is becoming more prevalent is that Fiora gets hard countered by him. I do agree, though, that the target abilities could use a little change. Turning the stun into a skill shot would benefit Pantheon too since he could then have an escape. The spear would end up too much like Nidalees. Maybe make throwing the spear a passive (he throws it at the nearest enemy after passive activates) and turn it into an auto attack modifier, increasing his attack range by 100 and increasing the range of his other abilities while activated.
@calarakien
7 жыл бұрын
To be completely honest, the whole time i watched this i was giggling madly with a smug grin on my face. Pantheon is one of my go-to champions. Hehehe.
@Williamfv93
7 жыл бұрын
Pantheon is a champion created to be played in midlane. His Q low cost was a good ability to LASTHIT and the crit to help you last hit too. The shield was to block auto from enemy midlaner. Know that he is a toplane he should be reworked.
@jtdoesntexist8236
7 жыл бұрын
I like how this video comes out a few hours after playing Pantheon top in ranked and getting a Kaylee to rage quit
@PaRappa_the_Rapper
7 жыл бұрын
I used to hate Pantheon, because I main Gnar, but I learned that pantheon doesnt scale well if you don't feed him, so you just sit under turret for 10 minutes of so and then you just outscale him. He's only really hard to beat when he's ahead
@gdim925
7 жыл бұрын
I get your point gbay ,but you should really learn more champions other than fighters(melee).Try Vladimir against Pantheon,he`s unkillable,you farm free,pantheon without kills sucks late game,vlad scales like a beast and you can actually win 1v1 against him in lane.Also you counter pantheon`s ult with TP cause vlad doesnt need mana and you can push for eternity and just walk to lane.Play safe early,push him when he`s back and use your TP to help your team and counter his ult.Simple like that.Also in those last patches the doran shield makes you unkillable in lane as Vlad,even if he pokes you ,you`ll always have 100% hp.
@vojtechmotl8401
7 жыл бұрын
Make Q a skillshot and he drops into like 40% winrate. His shield is whats the op on him. Make him get it only from his ability, and change his passive into something else. Maybe empowered AA after landing Q?
@regedice
7 жыл бұрын
10:17 lol I thought he was about to say "... but hey -- It's just a theory, a game theory!"
@johnscone722
6 жыл бұрын
Imo Pantheon is closest to an assassin and not boring but sometimes exciting and challenging to face. Like Zed and a lot of assassins you generally don't go near them when they can easily win trades or can kill you. So when facing him try to get as much farm as you can, keep the turret healthy and win late game in team fights. I don't play heaps of league but I feel like Shen would be a decent defensive pick against him.
@thesciencer1
7 жыл бұрын
2 things. 1. Panth can run out of mana before level 3 if he spams his q even with corrupting pot so they are far from unlimited spam due to his low mana pool. 2. Panth does not win all lanes and 1v1s. 3. Tryndemere, tryndemere starting q can get spammed on all he wants by panth and heal it all up and unless ganked or stupid cannot get soloed by panth and can win all ins,
@Zephyrir_Snow
6 жыл бұрын
Dude I’m a jax main a pantheon does the opposite than just threatening me he ain’t strong when jax starts e and if he starts his throwing spear then there might be some bruises but use e when he charges into you once he gets his stun hop jax can use e to not let panth get his maximum damage into him
@Boy10Dio
7 жыл бұрын
nobody talks about pantheon because rito have communicated that he is working as intended
@bm5931
7 жыл бұрын
Just pick a hardpush champ and has no chance because he has no waveclear. And if you want to trade harder/waveclear with your full combo u run out of mana insteand. Also if you are behind it's pretty hard. And the ult is often hard to hit, if the enemys just go back and u can't always jump in a visonless brush.
@shc0la806
7 жыл бұрын
skooch made a can we talk about this and the title of this vid is COENCIDENCE I THINK SO
@YuriVickers
6 жыл бұрын
I don't really know if a rework is good for him, he sure needs one but, the one thing that makes him feel unique is that you can always win duels with low health just by playing smart and recall with one hp.
@dawnwriter18
7 жыл бұрын
lmao "feel free to correct me... *rolls eyes* you guys always do." he sounds so salty
@silasmontgomery6982
7 жыл бұрын
Kled is a good pantheon counter. His E and Q both proc his passive shield and the pull from the Q cannot get blocked without leaping. And if you do that, you’re just going to get 4 hit Wed by kled because Hey, there went your shield!
@Alderr101
7 жыл бұрын
I think the part I have an issue with Pantheon is the counter matchups against him. One of the biggest counters to pantheon is Malphite and its not because of his damage or ability to kill pantheon its the fact that Malphite can fall behind in CS, scale, and then do more in mid/late game teamfights. I always found this is an issue because it is not a fun way to play the game. Since I am in high gold people struggle to close out the game makes him less overpowered.
@anamggss
6 жыл бұрын
THIS IS A Pantheon video What did you expect
@flawlessgaming1871
7 жыл бұрын
"Oh no - It seems like this champion is particularly strong at the moment! Geeze! I sure don't want that character on the enemy team!" *I GUESS I WILL JUST HAVE TO BAN SAID CHAMPION*
@dangdiggity9916
7 жыл бұрын
they really should remove almost all point and clicks. highest on the list os probably teemo q and malzahar ult (people try to compare this to syndra, but with syndra you can at least move or/and attack back and what not, malzahar just turns you into a 5v1 punchinbag while you watch + the same dmg as syndra, not to mention the other point m click malzahar has)
@theredsnorlax8860
7 жыл бұрын
I always find It relaxing facing pantheon just sit back and farm when you can.
@supergodzilla6489
7 жыл бұрын
but panth has the ultimate ability making people rage quit before the 15 min mark xD
@zackper
7 жыл бұрын
The momment he said "But heyyy thats.." I instantly shouted A GAMEEE THEORY, THANKS FOR WATCHING.
@aciarduce
7 жыл бұрын
One thing I NEVER see people do is backdoor towers on Panth. If you get some good damage, and hit the Attack Speed cap, holy shit. You will get damaged by the tower like every 3rd or 4 shot. If the enemy team is mostly dead or can't defend, who needs a minion wave. I would just ult under a tower or teleport to a ward/minion and stab away. Even if someone came to stop me I could then ult or teleport away, or just stab them in their kidneys and carry on baking.
@AlryFireBlade
5 жыл бұрын
7:00 At this point I exepted the clip from the time he was able to solo Dragon at Level1.
@romeocopiedme
7 жыл бұрын
I play garen into him... the EASIEST way to beat him is do NOT die pre6 then all in him with your ult. after that he can't scale. he runs oom easily. and you pass through his shield by auto then resetting with your q or if he decides to jump you then you spin while you're stunned.
@chrismallis205
7 жыл бұрын
I feel like when they rework him his kit is gonna be something like P: Deal X% more dmg to enemy champions below X HP (Not % for early game?) Q: Linear Projectalie? W: 1 second block all AA and cd down when pantheon AAs? E: atk speed passive, and active 2/3 fast autos or animation? R: Big range leap on an area but the animations and effects are changed. Yeah its pretty much an eazy rework for RITO. HIre me.
@rammothedwarf2005
7 жыл бұрын
hey gbay, dont know if youll read this but i just wanted to tell you how much i love your vids. they are vary entertaining but are also very interesting. please dont stop making vids :)
@rendertape6165
7 жыл бұрын
Ever tried gnar vs panth? If you can land your boomerang and a few autos not only can you pop his shield and harass him with your hyper stacks but you can also jump out if he ever tries to approach you.
@SYSyphysDelta
7 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding me?! Everyone is talking about Pantheon!
@blao2607
7 жыл бұрын
HEy Gbay, in one of your videos where you told us about the music you like, so have you seen the movie "born to be blue" about Chet Baker ?
@Zephyrir_Snow
5 жыл бұрын
I’d rather fight an opponent for 1000 min than fighting this piece of carp
@KnightTemplar97
7 жыл бұрын
when he says every lane is free harass I immediately think of the swain counterpick
@Longarmshortarm
7 жыл бұрын
Play tryndamere. Armor Seals/Quints. Start Doran shield. Max Q. Ninja Tabi rush. 12 points in Resolve. You may now ignore pantheons Q's, healing through them and proceeding to outscale.
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