"how do you stop your ego getting in the way of one's music?" ...writing music as your only means of income soon sorts that out.
@el7284
5 жыл бұрын
Peter Phillips
@macleadg
5 жыл бұрын
Neil Dawson lol... good point!
@vhollund
5 жыл бұрын
Might be a bad idea if you want to keep artistic integrity ... And eating
@ETBrooD
5 жыл бұрын
Neil Dawson If your music doesn't at all abide by any free market pressures at all, you're more likely to produce intellectual diarrhea. If your music abides only by free market pressures, you're more likely to produce intellectual fast food. Both extremes are bad. Try to find a middle ground if possible. Having disposable personal income is a good thing, having none at all could be bad, being entirely unconcerned with finances could also be bad.
@TommenIBaratheon
4 жыл бұрын
So true, this youtuber thinks he can get away with saying waht is music, and what is not, shame on him.
@MarkFitchett
4 жыл бұрын
For some reason many young composers think it's not hip to write a melody. It's actually really hard to come up with a great one.
@karolakkolo123
3 жыл бұрын
I'm always baffled that harmony and structure is usually the biggest topic in music schools, but no one really ever analyzes what makes a good melody. It is indeed difficult to write a good one
@topologyrob
3 жыл бұрын
@@karolakkolo123 I agree - I teach composition and focus very strongly on melody for that reason. To me, it's the crucial part of music (though one can have rhythm instead sometimes).
@catholicmetalhead398
Жыл бұрын
@@topologyrob exactly if someone composes using only chords, one could hardly consider that person an expert, it's the memorable tunes and subversion of established forms that make for music that's unique and worth listening to.
@amj.composer
Жыл бұрын
As a composer who mainly writes melodically, I completely agree. Takes me ages to write a decent melody
@insight827
2 жыл бұрын
My grandmother once told me that the problem she had with "plinky plonk" music (as she called it) was that "there's almost always no tune, something to whistle." Great video!
@catholicmetalhead398
Жыл бұрын
or in other terms, filler music.
@thexalon
5 жыл бұрын
One reason some modern composition has little by way of melody: When I was studying composing in conservatory, my professors were constantly trying to push me to write music that was less melodic. I unlearned that again after graduation, but my impression was that less melodic music tended to win the prizes and the accolades and thus what the "market" wanted. That was true even among some of the relatively hip local contemporary classical music ensembles.
@JeremyRobson
5 жыл бұрын
This was my experience in school as well. I wrote a lot of music that sounded like film or video game music, which for some reason made it "lesser" music.
@enriquesanchez2001
5 жыл бұрын
SO TRUE!!!!!! It turned me off from going to a music school.
@scalethemachine
5 жыл бұрын
Yep. It's anti-western postmodern thinking. Interesting how they haven't yet noticed that their newfangled approach doesn't resonate the human soul like the lively, expressive, conversational, dynamic, coherent music of the past. Nobody really likes the new classical, it's just high fashion. To see my point, check the most popular classical radio station in North America, wqxr new york classical radio. They play Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and Haydn nonstop. That is the REAL market composers should be targeting.
@DeGuerre
5 жыл бұрын
"anti-western"... that seems unlikely, given that Eastern music and African music and Polynesian music and every single other music tradition that I'm aware of has melody.
@scalethemachine
5 жыл бұрын
@@DeGuerre That is true, but I think I think these modern composers have western classical tradition specifically in mind, since they still largely use western instrumentation.
@JoshTurnerGuitar
5 жыл бұрын
Wow David, thanks so much for the shout out! I need to dig into some of your work as well.
@DBruce
5 жыл бұрын
honoured to have you here Josh! As I said, huge fan!
@instinctbrosgaming9699
5 жыл бұрын
The introduction to Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring has a pretty interesting trick for its atonality. What happens is that the first part of the first bar of the opening bassoon solo lands on an A with a fermata marking, in which can subliminally imply that we're in A Minor. After the second try, it's interrupted by an F Horn playing a G# (G# in the F Horn is the same as a C# on an instrument in C). This creates a rather dissonant minor 6th interval. The bassoon continues its solo and the F Horn rises to an A (D for instrument in C). When the bassoon tries to land on A again, the F Horn drops once more (on the exact same beat, mind you) to that G#. That A doesn't feel like a resolution for the rest of the intro (except for some very small amounts of relief that are mostly cut short due to underlying tones that play against that A). Keeping this in mind, atonality can be accomplished through cleverly disrupting resolution.
@maryseeker7590
5 жыл бұрын
Keep on being nerdy! (Intellectual, interesting, scientific, informative).
@TommenIBaratheon
4 жыл бұрын
(ignorant, biased, numb headed, stupid)
@george474747
4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it nerdy - no more than I would, say, David Attenborough's work. It's just rare to see presenters these days who don't talk down to the public.
@rontomkins6727
3 жыл бұрын
In my experience, the best way to get the ego out of the music, is to keep making music so much, that it no longer becomes something you think too much about. You just do it. This applies to everything, by the way.
@hryhthbrfthrh
5 жыл бұрын
as somebody who got into "nerdy" music just a few years ago, I immensely respect your videos. Great musical knowledge and interesting topics explained in a friendly, non-condescending way is the way to go. power to the nerds!
@seaseven3958
5 жыл бұрын
My problem with many KZitemrs is that they hold back information, and treat people like children. Bring on the intelligence (it's 2018 and moving fast) It's better to see a video where you understand nothing, than understanding everything. That way you know you've got work to do and have specific things to research until you understand the entire video dialogue.
@skylightmusicshowree
5 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@wes4439
5 жыл бұрын
+
@hansmemling7605
5 жыл бұрын
I hope you aren't trying to speak for everyone on KZitem because I already know most of the things he talks about and when I don't I immediately get it. Why? Because I have put in the work as a mucisian.
@1spitfirepilot
5 жыл бұрын
Hans Memling the point, surely, is to be intelligent and challenging, but also as expansive and as accessible as the material allows. There's a spectrum of understanding out there, indeed, many different ways of engaging with music. It's possible that even you might not grasp something that someone else does grasp; humility and openness are important in music, as well as mastery and pride.
@hansmemling7605
5 жыл бұрын
@@1spitfirepilot 1 are you suggesting I lack humility? If so what part of what I said gave you that impression? 2 you are agreeing with me in case you haven't noticed. I called him out on his blanket statement that other youtubers make unintelligent content and that this channel is they only one that does. I simply told him that he cannot speak for everyone and I gave myself as an example. 3 you said' the point is...' point of what and who?
@mumiemonstret
3 жыл бұрын
I'm grateful that Beethoven and Brahms weren't as concerned with "intellectual integrity" as contemporary composers are... (7:00)
@edwardgivenscomposer
3 жыл бұрын
moreover they aren't applying much intellect. They think they are being clever but in reality simply demonstrating what a poor grasp of math and acoustics they have.
@oscarmosterd
3 жыл бұрын
@@edwardgivenscomposer and music is about math?
@edwardgivenscomposer
3 жыл бұрын
@@oscarmosterd it is when we are pretending to be clever about it, which face it is all the poor little sad sacks who claim to write atonal music have left. Divide the octave into 12 parts and you WILL arrive at the dreaded tonic dominant relationship sooner or later or go through conniption fits. Because of math - yes. If the dubious goal is to AVOID tonality simply split the octave into 11 parts, or 13. Done! The question is WHY? Don't get me wrong I like a bit of atonal music, but I find it delicious and ironic that the one thing it's promoters cling to - the supposed "complexity" turns out to be a big farce . Or did Schoenberg really discover something to "guarantee the supremacy of German music for 1000 years"? I'm sorry but it's a bit like reading a long boring essay where the writer missed a logical fallacy in the first paragraph. (Ayn Rand springs to mind) Sophistry doesn't make great art. That said sometimes a misconceived technique can still produce great music. Webern for example. But that's sensitive intuition. Now that I think about it - what is a musician? An intuitive mathematician, among other things. Every time you sing, or say, tune your guitar, you are dealing with vibration of the air at certain frequencies. For example a fifth vibrates at 1.5X the root, or a ratio of 3:2. We don't think about it intellectually, we just do it. Sorry for the long answer and of course it's not just about math.
@marizacabral5141
3 жыл бұрын
It's so funny, I would have used the same "intellectual integrity" arguments in the same way David Bruce used them, to argue for the exact opposite! I value long melodic lines and logical melodic developments (as opposed to a pressed wood board of short motifs) precisely because of the internal coherence and "intellectual integrity"!
@sozeytozey
2 жыл бұрын
@@edwardgivenscomposer I could probably listen to you talk for hours
@davidmayhew8083
4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned early Joni Mitchell. I think her melodic style is very unique and her guitar writing beautiful. I like her music from different periods too.
@ec0ec0ec000
5 жыл бұрын
I really love music so much. I cried seeing this video. Thanks for reminding me of what's exciting, and sharing your thoughts with us in such a warm, intelligent way!
@7177YT
5 жыл бұрын
yah, I agree nerdier = more interresting.. go with the metrics and let your inner geek run wild! seriously: I enjoy your videos, there's always new stuff to discover and stimulating thoughts toponder. (:
@Gnurklesquimp
4 жыл бұрын
Adhering to arbitrary rules/patterns when writing non-functional stuff is one of my favorite things to do when out of ideas. A lot of the time, it sounds organized but bad, but there's very often little sections, rearrangements and additions/ommisions that get me going to write more freely.
@derycktrahair8108
5 жыл бұрын
Some interesting ideas, especially regarding EGO. Being too nervous while playing a concert is a distraction. It makes you ask "If I'm scared of making mistakes, who am I trying to impress? Do they really care? What am I doing here ? (it's certainly NOT for the MONEY)." Why we play?...because it feels good. Don't worry, if they don't like you they won't book you & you won't have to do it again.
@madmoonrabbit
5 жыл бұрын
You're a gift on you tube. A proper gift.
@paxwallacejazz
5 жыл бұрын
I've always felt that regardless of the virtical environment melodicism can inhabit that place. Also that melody is an inspired thing that can in the moment at least transcend all. Maybe it's an improvisers reality. I like the idea of broad melodies in really diabolical scientificish environments.
@lettersquash
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. I'm almost completely non-nerd in my approach to music (I write stuff for guitar and piano), but the nerdy stuff about it makes sense to me at some deeper level. I was gratified to see that David Lang quote about not wanting his emotional state being shifted all the time - that's why I struggle with Beethoven and a lot of romantic music. Give me a Bach sarabande any day...or a fugue if I'm in the mood. I love folk and fingerpicking too.
@RasiRon
Жыл бұрын
As usual people miss the point. We need all the colors of the rainbow to blend them in infinite ways. Thanks for this informative video.
@macleadg
5 жыл бұрын
I believe there’s a simple answer to why melody has been lost - snobbery. Beethoven set the stage for this: he knew his music was for a later age, and might not please the audience of his day. But Beethoven was Beethoven and most composers... aren’t him. So, he gets a pass; others, maybe not. The notion has grown to the point of absurdity: the less pleasing the music, the more profound it must be ( or so the fallacious logic would have us believe). The less you like it, the shallower you are. Melody is often the most pleasing and ingratiating (thus, “shallow”) aspects of music. Dispense with tunes, and you’ve taken a great first step to faux profundity. You also avoid the very difficult task of writing a melody, especially one that (gasp!) people might actually like. Also, if you make your music as technically difficult as possible - preferably impossible - you show everyone that your artistic imagination exceeds the surly bounds of the lowly instruments you call upon to execute your oh-so-deep creation. Having said all this, I still like experimental music; I just wish modern composers would, well, get over themselves a bit.
@qwertyTRiG
4 жыл бұрын
This doesn't apply only to music. It's something I've seen myself in modern art, and to some extent in literature. (I read far more books than I consume modern art, but I've had personal interactions with more artists than writers.)
@lawsonj39
4 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing that this situation, which affects all arts, can be traced back to Gautier's "l'art pour l'art" doctrine, which encouraged artists to ignore connections between reality and in favor of pursuing the internal development of the art itself. The development of art forms tends to emphasize structure--form, if you like--over content.
@Superphilipp
4 жыл бұрын
Beethoven wrote some gorgeous melodies. This myth started, I believe, with Leonhard Bernstein. Just because there are famous Beethoven compositions that don't center around great melodies does not mean He wasn't a great composer of melodies.
@Superphilipp
4 жыл бұрын
I do believe you're right though. The absolute primacy of motivic development in much music is partly due to deference to Beethoven.
@tongpoo8985
4 жыл бұрын
This so much.
@EclecticSceptic
4 жыл бұрын
Night Parade is really cool.
@1spitfirepilot
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@georgehenry8391
4 жыл бұрын
One of the most interesting discussions resulting to music that I have heard in quote a while. Thanks.
@musicartgeek
3 жыл бұрын
The question “why is there so little melody in modern classical music?” has a bit of a semantic trap: The definition of “classical“ music. There’s a great deal of modern melodic “classical“ music, in fact it’s probably the most popular form and the most successful form. However, this music has been written for a specific audience and situation: the world of cinema. One reason I love the violinist Angèle Dubeau and the ensemble La Pietà is that they cheerfully ignore this distinction, and perform and record collections of beautiful, often-melodic “classical“ music from the worlds of cinema, gaming, and “serious“ composers. Would love to see you cover music for cinema, from Korngold to Richter!
@Byron101_
2 жыл бұрын
# We need more melody lines!!!
@orrcazz
5 жыл бұрын
When Doves Cry is a banger eternal, you take that back.
@i.sanromang
Ай бұрын
Those of us who write classical music in the old style also exist
@classycompositions932
5 жыл бұрын
That is one of the reasons why I started writing my own classical music: I couldn't find anyone still alive making new classical music that has nice melodies and just sounds interesting overall. Reading from the comments it might actually be a good thing that I learned it from an internet course rather than a conservatory. Some composers like Ludovico Einaudi and Yiruma are okay... but their music is so simple and repetitive compared to Mozart and Beethoven and the like.
@alexcordogan780
5 жыл бұрын
Same here- for me it was Rachmaninoff/Tchaikovsky- a collection of mostly their works still stands above most else to me and I wish that style had never died out
@btnt5209
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. I write in a similar style to Mozart (according to some professors) although I'd like to move more towards Mendelssohn
@manuelmoreira8575
4 жыл бұрын
If you can't find any living composers writing music that "sounds interesting", then I look forward to ear your music...
@Alexagrigorieff
4 жыл бұрын
@@manuelmoreira8575 Alma Deutscher (born in 2005). Seriously. Check, for example, her CDs on Amazon (released in 2013 and 2019). Check her piano sonata written at age of 6 (also recorded on 2013 CD)
@johnrobertson1795
4 жыл бұрын
@@quaternity6943 Try this then. kzitem.info/news/bejne/umN433eviIx6hG0 it is the slow movement of my 1st Symphony. I have written 5 and all have been recorded, although the issuing of the last two has been delayed by the current pandemic. There are quite a few of my works available on youtube. I need to be better known!
@ottodachat
5 жыл бұрын
If you ever want a great adventure in complete atonality and an exercise in atemporality, I strongly suggest listening to Karlheinz Stockhausen's Gruppen fur Drei Orchestre. (Groups for 3 Orchestras) Not one iota of melody or cognitive rhythm. I have never been the same since I first listened to this work and realized that such a composition is different each time you listen to it.
@ottodachat
5 жыл бұрын
Probably not, atonal anything is hard to listen to. I am a bit of a masochist and will try to listen to something like G. Ligeti's Volumina from start to finish. An acquired taste and not for the faint of heart= modern/atonal/avant garde music.
@dariusmolark6820
5 жыл бұрын
i find most of the 'new classical' music on radio q, nyc, mostly lyrical. alas, i come from an earlier period than most of you and still am enamored of straight ahead jazz, hard bop, hey, count basie, jimmy lunceford. and thanks for the folk references, as i grew through that period.and acoustic finger picking and songs remain pure beauty.
@activistarts7722
5 жыл бұрын
However Indian classical music is full of melodies. The most defined one is called a bandish and can be hinted and heard in the beginning improvisational alap portion of the performance before the bandish and tabla portion come in. Even some alap phrases could be considered a melody.
@musicartgeek
3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are excellent and beautifully accessible
@MrPianoMan
4 жыл бұрын
Contemporary classical makes me think of Einaudi. Most of his music is based off of a couple of very simple sections and phrases that repeat. The song will play through once and then repeat with little articulation. I guess this is why his music is normally a first choice for beginners to learn. I myself compose similar music. Very simple and minimal and the main melody is repeated. Some people hate this but I dont know, I just love simple. I write music this way, not because I'm afraid (I dont get the meaning behind why people say this tbh) but because that's literally how I think. This doesn't mean I cant write a really great melody, I also love and make full and lush orchestral pieces. It's just that my piano and string pieces are minimal and contemporary because I like it that way.
@ts8538
5 жыл бұрын
I find this very helpful. Thank you!
@michaelschmitt2427
5 жыл бұрын
I like your videos a lot, so don't change!
@lelandsmith983
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your insights and wisdom. Especially the Funk
@wyattwahlgren8883
5 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad that you used La Fille aux Cheveux de Lin as an example when you mentioned Debussy.
@e.v.martinez5083
4 жыл бұрын
David, you always inspire with serious thought out points and humorous silly quips. I want to grow up to be like youl
@marcopoloignacio
4 жыл бұрын
Agree to this. 👍
@duramirez
5 жыл бұрын
Hey another Brazilian that appreciates music o/ cheers :D
@ipsitasarkar2130
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome ❤❤❤
@MiloDC
4 жыл бұрын
Shout out for Brand New Heavies!
@luisumana1456
5 жыл бұрын
I've heard light moving! And I recognized it as played by Hilary Hahn, for whom the piece was composed for. It gave me a little thrill to encounter the piece here in your video.
@composer7325
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting, thank you.
@joaoluisesquivel2810
4 жыл бұрын
Your doing good, don't worry. Just keep at it. :)
@ryano.5149
5 жыл бұрын
There is a quote by a friend of mine that I really like: "If you need the score in front of you to appreciate a piece of music, the composer has failed."
@bluenetmarketing
5 жыл бұрын
This is a great video!
@manuelmoreira8575
4 жыл бұрын
Melody, traditionally speaking, is just a way to organize horizontally one of many sound parameters: pitch (among rhythm/duration, intensity, timbre and space). So in order to create music, you can express yourself even without pitch at all (or using it, but not change it), let alone without melody...! As Bruce said, composing with melody derives from a very specific tradition. And the reason most contemporary composers tend not to use it or avoid it at all, is to explore and express themselves through rhythm, intensity, timbre, space, and other pitch related tools like harmony, modalism, etc.
@topologyrob
2 жыл бұрын
Not really - melody is deeply connected with humanity, as our speech is melodic, and our bodies resound with melody. It's not just a sound parameter.
@satyu131089
5 жыл бұрын
Hi David, greetings from South India. It's so nice to learn that you're interested and knowledgeable in Indian music. I'm curious if you've heard much about the composer Ilayaraja of South India. He's most popular for his film scores and film songs, but a couple of his "music for music" albums are an interesting blend of the western methods of harmony and counterpoint and the Indian method of raga. Their names are "Nothing but Wind" and "How to Name It". Please continue the great work with your videos!
@topologyrob
2 жыл бұрын
"How to name it" is a very cool album. I first heard it in Thiruvananthapuram in 1992 and was blown away.
@bb1111116
3 жыл бұрын
Contemporary academic classical music often has become completely mathematical and atonal. It is for a very small audience. Arvo Pärt is an exception to this. His music is tonal and there is a commonly understood beauty to it. It is not a surprise that for several years Pärt has been the most performed living classical composer in the world.
@xElMery
5 жыл бұрын
God, your mic setup is absolutely awesome
@polenc7167
5 жыл бұрын
It seems that "modern music" has one guiding principle which is through out anything that smells of the past. Also, a pursuit that says "look at me!, look at me!". I am still waiting for the "Great Leap Forward" in music composition.
@david2618
4 жыл бұрын
I was only interested in watching your videos but Night Parade seems cool.
@johnomarlarnelladams7519
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Mr. Bruce; for bringing the ways of writing melodies and the foreground of how specific pieces relate to how we digest or take in our listening pleasure of classical music. It was a great video overall!
@finnblack5301
5 жыл бұрын
These videos are just gem after gem, I really appreciate your very clear dedication to curiosity. Amazing, David.
@gnralZTT
5 жыл бұрын
I need to find the full version of Night Parade on youtube. I need it in my life
@GalleryOfChameleon
5 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always :)
@oliviu-dorianconstantinesc288
Жыл бұрын
To quote Brian Sewell, we are in a full-bloom post-skill paradigm.
@scottandrewhutchins
5 жыл бұрын
I remember Peter Greenaway referring to "the evil of the melody" slightly archly, but the video of his speech at Butler University (Indianapolis) is available, and he didn't say that, although it's possible I heard him say it before or after, because I did see him after and possibly before he went up, although I never spoke directly to him. He did say that melody is commercial and needs to fall away to create true art. He also calls for figuration to leave painting and narrative to leave film.
@qwertyTRiG
4 жыл бұрын
There are novels without narrative. Most are critical and commercial failures. The exceptions are by James Joyce.
@topologyrob
3 жыл бұрын
It's rather an artificial stance I'd suggest, but artists need their own stances sometimes to get good work done. But it cancels out a hell of a lot of excellent art, his notion.
@Hjominbonrun
5 жыл бұрын
It sounds like, from the video, that maybe, the melody we constantly get from Bach, Handel, Mozart through Chopin up to Rachmaninov is an exception rather than the rule.
@DjSoulKing
5 жыл бұрын
David! I must say your youtube channel is a saviour to traditional classical music! :)
@DarkSideofSynth
5 жыл бұрын
I like that city buzz pice of yours. I guess it would have perfectly fitted in a mid 50s - early 60s film, like an opening scene with traffic, busy city life. A Hitchcock film comes to mind.... Build a time machine and try your luck ;)
@5kdamian
5 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. You explain complex concepts in a very approachable way. I also like Josh Turner Guitar - the finger pciking style of playing guitar is my favorite way of listening to guitar.
@jakeoconnor3420
5 жыл бұрын
Great video David. Love your piece Night Parade, too- extremely enjoyable to listen to!
@titob.yotokojr.9337
5 жыл бұрын
So how will these music stand the test of time? A hundred years from now, I believe Bach, Mozart, Beethoven will still be around. Will these music still be around?
@machida5114
2 жыл бұрын
Atonal music has been around for over 100 years. However, the audience is small.
@JSLing-vv5go
4 жыл бұрын
I think melody disappeared from classical music slowly with the advent of new popular forms, often driven by newly created instruments. The public was fascinated with the electric guitar, for example, so they listened to music with the electric guitar. And if you're a composer who plays electric guitar, why not write stuff with memorable melodies so that people think back on your work with a smile? So people naturally moved away from classical music to newer forms of music, and those composers who had studied the classical forms saw themselves getting less and less attention, and retreated from a desire to please the public with wonderful melody to a desire to please themselves and the fellow composers who decided to stick with classical music in spite of it all. In this way, classical music became associated with snobbery and academicism. The public saw people who refused to try the new musical forms and the new musical instruments (despite how good they were) as being judgmental of it-and of them for liking it. Thereby did classical music evolve: Since it was no longer about pleasing the public, you could try any experiment, any intellectual premise for your composition. Serialism and many other wretched(-sounding) things were created out of it. The public hates it; it sounds like absolute garbage. But if you understand it in the only way you can, which is academically, then you can derive a different kind of enjoyment which is not based on an enjoyment of melody. The biggest classical music composers today usually use the "neo-" prefix. And why? Simply because they hearken back to a time when melody, and a desire to actually please people, was prominent. They are your soundtrack composers, John Williams being the tippy-top. He calls himself a neo-romantic because of his romantic-styled melody. I don't think there's anything wrong with experimenting with intellectual premises in composition. It all depends on what your goals are. But if you want to please the public, for god's sake put some melody in it.
@SheepWaveMeByeBye
2 жыл бұрын
Reading your comment made this worthwhile.
@julialesnichycomposer4965
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bruce! I noticed that there are less melodies in modern compositions, but I like to write music with melodies.. I just like to write melodies.. I think that short music pieces by Tchaikovsky for Nutcracker may be an example of how to write symphonic music with melodies.. I write them following the form aba', when the third part may be a repetition or a variation of the first part. You may find a piece Longing for heaven on my channel on youtube. There may be a composition with a melody and its variations, but I think a further development of a melody with a different harmony and modulations is always a challenge.. for instance, I really love Beethhoven Fourth symphony, the second movement as an example of a beautiful melody and its development
@edwardgivenscomposer
3 жыл бұрын
The agony of modern music by Henry Pleasants covers some of this. Wagner thought he was a great composer because of his recitative. Today, audiences sit through all the dreadful recitative to hear the Love Duet from Tristan and Isolde, or Ride of the Valkyries...
@stefan1024
5 жыл бұрын
One basic but effective method to reduce the own ego's influence in music is just to include other egos. When you develop and play music in a group with democratic structure, the result might not be completely without ego, but it will become less egocentric and more open and social.
@ec0ec0ec000
5 жыл бұрын
Could you go further in this topic if you know about it? I'd love to know about these methods
@stefan1024
5 жыл бұрын
@@ec0ec0ec000 It's really no magic, basically what happens in jam sessions when the musicians don't focus on solos but on group play. Instead of one musical mind (=ego) you have a musical group with creative (social) interactions. There is not one ego that composed the music, but in the end it was composed anyway. Of cause it doesn't work with every kind of ensemble and genre.
@perniciouspete4986
2 жыл бұрын
Because it takes talent to write melody, just ask the rappers.
@jaccochrysler
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you David for passing on your knowledge. I get a lot from it.
@sammikinsderp
5 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your nerdy video, keep on keeping on. I'm gonna subscribe and check out more of your video essays.
@VictorOrlandoNieto
5 жыл бұрын
David, thanks for your videos; they are phenomenally instructional. Bring on the nerdy! Loving the funk influence.
@ChrisLodyMusic
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts, especially talking about being introverted. It’s something I’m fighting right now and striving to do more vlog style videos despite this. I’m an enormous synth nerd so I’ve got that going for me at least 😁
@Vossst
5 жыл бұрын
Really dug the excerpt at the end. It gave me Moondog vibes and that's always welcome.
@buddhabillybob
5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I love the broad range of classical music--from lush melody to David Lang. Music is a vast territory. Thanks for a great video.
@Racosz
5 жыл бұрын
5:50 - Canadian composer Claude Vivier (1948-1983) might be an exception. He was a great melodist on his own way. Here some examples of his melodic output. Lonely Child - kzitem.info/news/bejne/0qh_p2aBm3yclHo Siddharta - kzitem.info/news/bejne/2IqHp4OdraRirW0 Et je reverrai cette ville étrange - kzitem.info/news/bejne/zomrsY6OhqSrlIY Zipangu - kzitem.info/news/bejne/x2iZ2WSsa2KHiqA Greetings from Bogotá, Colombia. P.S: David: your music sounds pretty awesome and inspiring. Night Parade is powerful.
@thibomeurkens2296
Жыл бұрын
I recently saw Lonely Child live! It was amazing, a truly beautiful voice part.
@franqicorbea4971
3 ай бұрын
thanks
@jonathanredman8497
Жыл бұрын
Hi David. I’ve arrived late to your KZitem channel but I’m really enjoying your presentation style. I’ve learnt a lot.
@zacharygh
5 жыл бұрын
Is there anywhere we can find the full recording of "Night Parade"? I greatly enjoyed the clip you played, and want to hear more. Fantastic video, as always.
@hansfritz7067
5 жыл бұрын
I was about to ask the same!
@WadWizard
5 жыл бұрын
Im also interested
@nadcho
5 жыл бұрын
Same here!
@Engy_Wuck
5 жыл бұрын
I'm also interested. The Extract on your homepage sounds great - but I want to hear the complete work.
@cisium1184
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I only heard a snippet but it sounded good.
@tomusic8887
Жыл бұрын
Without melody music is very soon lacking emotions 😊
@maryseeker7590
5 жыл бұрын
I enjoy hearing recommendations from such a highly trained musician. Plz continue recommending more. I love Arabic music : Natacha Atlas, Amr Diab, etc
@epiczeven6378
5 жыл бұрын
omg "The Brand New Heavies" sounds amazing, ty for the suggestion :)
@pianorandi
2 жыл бұрын
Alma Deutcher (and several other less known composers) do compose melodies.
@Superphilipp
4 жыл бұрын
4:50 That scale will always be the "Simpsons" scale to me.
@rontomkins6727
3 жыл бұрын
In my case, that would be also the Jetsons scale :)
@Superphilipp
3 жыл бұрын
@@rontomkins6727 Holy shit, I didn't know .... that similarity is uncanny!
@rontomkins6727
3 жыл бұрын
@@Superphilipp Haha, I know, right? I thought the same thing when I noticed.
@edwardgivenscomposer
3 жыл бұрын
@@Superphilipp I believe it was intentional
@solarean
3 жыл бұрын
but the simpsons scale is whole tone
@Lynkevmusic
5 жыл бұрын
insightful video, as a beginner composer and musician I must say that I find myself drawn to the more melodic phrasing. At the risk of being 'dated', my sensibilities are more drawn to melodic shapes and how harmonies interact with the imagined shape. Coming from a classical background, I have the thought that so many melodies have already been written or as the great songsmith Bob Dylan said "there's no new music". I'm not sure I agree.
@carlosandres7006
5 жыл бұрын
Composition without ego is unmemorable
@stvp68
3 жыл бұрын
Using his eyebrows to gauge which edits were filmed at disparate times
@sambulls
5 жыл бұрын
What an absolutely amazing video! I really appreciate your honestly and self awareness but like you said a great deal of the work one considers important had to be done with love and fancy in mind. Ie you really gotta like what you’re doing and do it for that reason... this has been the theme of my week lately
@echoes6092
5 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh so many wonderful topics in this video! great job & keep doing super nerdy stuff :)
@pablov1973
5 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about the melody component in the new classical music from a long time ago. I believe (maybe I'm wrong) that for most listener the problem is not that melodies are not longer anymore. Nobody will expect something expansive like the second theme of the Unfinished or the extreme beauty of the second theme of Pathetique. I believe that what people miss is a melody segment to whistle after the concert, because the melody forms of today are quite elusive. I have listen many works where the melody is very difficult to keep, to remember note by note, but what I retain is feeling created by that melody segment with the rest of the elements of the music that are sounding together, i.e: in the first movement of your "Gumboots", maybe I don´t remember every melodic gesture, I retain the climax created by the whole ensemble, the Violin Concerto by Maxwell Davies, it's so beautifull, but I don´t remember any specific melodic segment, the same at the very touching moment, close to the ending of Lutoslawski's Fourth Symphony, when the two violins plays a very sad and very nostalgic melodic lines, at that point, it doesn't matter if you can sing this moment later, the whole music moves you inside.
@kenhymes4900
5 жыл бұрын
"Melody" means notes in succession, a linear series of tones. What you are all complaining about is that SOME recent symphonic and chamber music uses melodies that don't refer to familiar patterns in music you already know. Further: this is a dated perspective, there is tons of original symphonic music being done over the last twenty five years that is chock full of easily accessible tunes. Further further: composers don't exist to service your expectations. It's not like people are getting paid a ton of money to write this stuff. Why don't paintings have more fruit and people sitting looking forward... because art forms evolve and try everything, that's why.
@luigivercotti6410
5 жыл бұрын
link pls
@floxy20
5 жыл бұрын
Oh, I so want to be considered a composer, an artiste. But I have zero talent. What to do, what to do?
@bluenetmarketing
5 жыл бұрын
Stop wishing and hoping and wanting, and start doing, doing, doing until you are completely spent and there is nothing left, except there is always one thing left, doing some more. Never quit. Being anything is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration.
@adriendecroy7254
9 ай бұрын
There are actually more and more composers writing more melody-centric material. I think a lot of people were dissatisfied with reduction in melody and abandonment of harmony. I think a lot of marketing (and other methods) happened during the 20C to try to get everyone to adopt the new music. Whilst this produced some interesting results, I don't think it ever replaced more traditional methods in the hearts of large parts of the audience. I think it's interesting to consider what are the goals of experiments in music, and what are the criteria for determining whether a result confirms a hypothesis. If music is exploratory, what is it looking for?
@sammikinsderp
5 жыл бұрын
To the subject of who you are writing music for, it's very tough. Sometimes you want WANT to write music for virtuosic and academic qualities, but it may have little appeal outside of the academic circle. Which is why so many of us shy away from odd transpositions, intervals, modes, and shifting time signatures; and why pop music is so prevalent. Simply because it's easily palletable. This isn't a knock on modern popular music, rather it's a tip of the hat to the simplicity of it; that the minimalism of our current popular music culture can give way to some fairly diverse art. Staying in a single time signature, in a single key, and limiting to only a handful of intervals, some standout artists have made some beautiful art. (typing on my phone, forgive typos, and lack of references, but I'd be happy to discuss more at length) I'm going to listen to both of those artists you mentioned at the start of this video. I'm highly intrigued at... Non-human-made music
@paulcassidy4559
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video! Really interesting and well-articulated.
@luisortega4991
5 жыл бұрын
Not effect but rather affect
@TimondeNood
5 жыл бұрын
Nice vid David, once again!
@LambentSonata
3 жыл бұрын
What makes you think that modern classical music has no melody? What you mean is, the modern classical music which _you_ have been listening to has no melody. But there is plenty of new classical music out there that has melody. For example, this piece which I wrote myself just a few days ago: soundcloud.com/lambentsonata/sea-breeze
@bigfishtokyocat7789
3 жыл бұрын
I have been writing my style of orchestrations on my channel, but the differences of normal music levees my channel with no views or audience that listens to this style. Its a lot of time and money invested, I wish people will see it......
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