This is a great clip about how labels are used to silence conversations
@yourstruly5706
3 жыл бұрын
Sunnis were still using aqal, the Asharis, Maturidhis and the hanafi mazhab has rationalism at it's core.
@yourstruly5706
3 жыл бұрын
@MU'TAZILA ISLAM - المعتزلة keep dreaming.
@memonm786
3 жыл бұрын
@MU'TAZILA ISLAM - المعتزلة you've called someone a mushrik without any proof, that's a sin. Does that mean your not a Muslim anymore as your a muatazili?
@noumanqureshi8489
2 жыл бұрын
@Rational Islam says who?
@GodIsIndeedgreat
2 ай бұрын
Being a hanafi doesn't mean you are a maturidi or an ashari, imam Abu hanifa رَحِمَهُ ٱللَّٰهُ was an athari, he was from the salaf, his school of thought is from ahlus Sunnah, hanafis are from ahlus Sunnah.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
Ай бұрын
@@GodIsIndeedgreat That's right my friend...
@ahmedmohammad7300
3 жыл бұрын
More of such content with such information mufti sahab This was wonderful to listen ♥️
@memonm786
3 жыл бұрын
MashaAllah bro, agree with all of the points you mentioned
@adoreroftheexpander7342
3 жыл бұрын
*5:19**-**6:43* Golden point 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@ahmedmohammad7300
3 жыл бұрын
So on point Seriously!
@Asif_Malik786
3 ай бұрын
This was intresting and enjoyable. Bring back Mufti Abu Layth
@dbr295
3 жыл бұрын
Most surviving literature on them is largely Sunni polemics.
@maturidiwesley4107
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it’s just populist literature, full of strawman “arguments” against the muatazilah. I say that as a maturidi sunni myself.
@ZarasthuraGyattt
3 жыл бұрын
@Tik Rak It's the methode of traditionalist, if there's innovation topics, they would see as bad and heretics, used against the innovator without discussion. That's why Hanbalites just put Kullabi/Asharis(Lafzhiyyah who said the pronounciation of al-Qur'an is created) under Jahmiyyah flag. Imam Ahmad slandering the early teacher of Imam Abul Hassan which is Imam Ibnu Kullab, Imam Harith al-Muhasibi and Imam Karabisi with words, "the Lafzhiyyah is worser than the Jahmiyyah, they were innovator!" Although those three fought against the rational Mu'tazilite. Hanabalites done the worst against Semi-Rational Kullabis/Asharis than Mu'tazilite itself, see all thesis about it, and yet they still continue it through Ibnu Taimiyyah dan Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. And Yes Imam Ghazali also applied Imam Ahmad methode, to slander the Philosopher, Refutations against the Philisopher yet see them as heresy because the topics are innovations and producing skepticism and false. And now you just applied populist methode to slander the Maturidis while nowadays both sect are unite and changes view and khilaf in furu' as term differences. While both schools against the "Anthromorphist" schools that they saw corrupted Hanabalites, while Hanabalites slanders both schools as bastards of Jahmiyyah/mukhannath of Mu'tazilite.
@thephilosophermma8449
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@ouwejongen7526
2 жыл бұрын
10:02 thank you for this explanation🙏🙏
@jenny-DD
2 жыл бұрын
My Mufti Abu Layth is the best Thank u for explaining things with honesty You seem to sek enlightenment via research and truth when the majority of Muslim world seeks power through deception and distortion of the truth
@noumanqureshi8489
2 жыл бұрын
Says someone from the people of ambush, lies and deception
@MohamedX95
7 ай бұрын
Bravo ! à toi mon frère , cool ta chaîne
@boxingnews6657
3 жыл бұрын
Are there any modern day groups that follow the mutazilah way of thinking ? If so, which ones?
@ALLHEART_
3 жыл бұрын
Muhammad Asad was, basically. At least in regard to Allāh and the attributes. He basically followed after Ibn Rushd, who held that name sort of view, I believe.
@ALLHEART_
3 жыл бұрын
There are others.
@mikailshakes4514
3 жыл бұрын
@Tik Rak He's more mujassimah than mu'tazilah, he states Allah is above the arsy (in direction) and doesn't ta'weel the mutasbihat ayats (states that Allah has hands, legs,etc)
@thomasbuxton2648
3 жыл бұрын
The Shi’a. They practically teach mutazili texts in their hawzahs
@tsgillespiejr
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Zaydī Shī`ah `aqā'id are more or less consistent with those of the Mu`tazilah. And there are a few of us here and there who have found that we agree with the Mu`tazilah and follow their approach as well without being members of a particular sect or larger movement.
@leandrojulian7155
3 жыл бұрын
Could you please comment on the Ibadis?
@ImranAli-tm3rq
3 жыл бұрын
'Muʿtazilites based the analysis of all religious texts and doctrines to be analysed by sane mind and solid logic and if there is a discrepancy then the texts or doctrines should be rejected. This part alone made them the enemy of state and orthodox Muslims who conservatively follow the Hadith (by far the majority of Muslims today, including all Sunni and Shia sects).' Sound familiar Mufti saab?
@zakymalik6920
Жыл бұрын
If i commit a major sin will i be muslim
@ImranAli-tm3rq
Жыл бұрын
@@zakymalik6920 Major sins don't necessarily take one out of the fold of Islam (unless it is Shirk)...be hasty in repentance..
@Shams_Tabrezii
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with You Buddy 😅🥵
@michaelhaines4056
2 ай бұрын
It's ok if a peron agrees with a scholar or disagrees. It's also ok to follow some or none of a particular scholar's opinions. It's not ok to publicly cast aspersions on one that you dislike or disagree with. Allah knows best.
@muhammadrizwan3626
3 жыл бұрын
Where i can find this book "adam my father" by abdel sabour shahin
@muhammadimranyameen467
Жыл бұрын
I am a proud Mutzallah
@lumiam6982
Жыл бұрын
Do Mu'tazila even exist today?
@HolloVVpoint
2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but anyone who believes in the validity of Hadiths recorded over 250 years after the death of the prophet (peace be upon him), even after the Quran explicitly states it is the sole authority on Islam, and the prophet peace be upon him out right refused to let anyone record his sayings and actions during his life is an idiot. We have the Quran, it is all we need as Muslims.
@mdbahrozbaburali
2 ай бұрын
I will derive all the meanings based on my understanding and not let anyone teach me the meanings of the Qur'an because it is the sole authority, it is easy to understand and I can't take religion outside the Qur'an (haram haram shirk shirk) for example I think Muhammad (SAW)is not a person live 1400 years ago as they say , Muhammad literally means praiseworthy so it means that every time Muhammad is mentioned in Qur'an, it talked about every praiseworthy guy 🥰🥰
@ArmandoGames
Жыл бұрын
Mufti Abu Layth, you do know that Mu'tazilah muslims were part of the Sunni Islam? The Abbassids were Sunnis and students the Mu'tazilite school, its just another school, like Athari and Ashari. A lot of hanbalis hate the Mu'tazilah because Caliph al-Ma'mun imprisoned Ahmad Ibn Hanbal. Some people consider Bin Laden a Mu'tazilah, which is wrong because Bin Laden was Wahabi-Sunni muslim.
@DrJavadTHashmi
3 жыл бұрын
Despite my admiration and friendship with Mufti Abu Layth, I must say that I strongly disagree with this clip & think it does injustice to one of the most profound intellecthal currents of our Islamic history.
@user-ky8ym7le9m
3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video about the mu’tazilites?
@ShihanShiya156
2 жыл бұрын
You'r correct brother he is totally misinterpreting about Mua'ttazila
@zakymalik6920
Жыл бұрын
@@ShihanShiya156 How
@syedzainulhussain.
3 ай бұрын
Mutazalah are considered sunni But because asharis and salafis are just hating on them also the fact its a dead madhab ulemas dont make an effort to defend them. Regardless all the ulemas who truly understand them say they are sunni.
@sparephone8228
3 жыл бұрын
I find this very strange. Are we saying Imam Zamakshari is not a Sunni Muslim ? He wrote his tafseer of the Qur'aan ' al-kashaf'. Is there any Muslim scholar out there who seriously thinks they cannot benifit from this commentry ?
@ZarasthuraGyattt
3 жыл бұрын
He's mu'tazilite, yes he's genius but mostly commentary it's fits to that creeds.
@sparephone8228
3 жыл бұрын
@@ZarasthuraGyattt still can't explain how he is not sunni muslim?
@sparephone8228
3 жыл бұрын
@MU'TAZILA ISLAM - المعتزلة You sound like someone who plays dungeons and dragons. No Muslim should talk about any other Muslim from a different sect in such a vile way -what ever the sect may be Shia, Berelvi, Athari, Mutaradi , Ibadi, Zaydi.
@sparephone8228
3 жыл бұрын
@Rational Islam Even if you think he was a Mu'tazillite, how would it make him any less a Muslim? The definition of a Muslim is given authentic ahadith in Bukhari and Muslim, which are really the hadith of Gabriel and the hadith of the Bedouin. Complicated theology is not the kind of questions a lay Muslim will be asked about on the day of judgment. Mu'tazillite, Ashari, Athari, Matarudi etc are just labels peoples have invented for their particular interpretation of theology in Islam.
@lumiam6982
Жыл бұрын
@@sparephone8228 I disagree with you there. No Asha'ari, Maturidi or Athari see each other as different 'sects' but rather three theological Sunni schools from the same sect but have minor differences a bit like the four Sunni schools of jurisprudence. The psuedo-Salafis today, however, are not from the Athari madhab nor have anything to do with the Hanbali madhab in general. Want to meet Athari people? Go meet up with traditional Hanbalis that are free from Wahhabiyya in Egypt and Sham (Greater Syria) and you'll see the real Athari creed. The psuedo-Salafis are an off-shoot of Karramiyyah. That is the truth.
@OrganizedMess0025
2 жыл бұрын
All respect mufti but I think you’re thinking of the Khawarij, who declare anyone who commits major sins to no longer be a Muslim. From what I’ve read about mu’tazila, they’re extreme rationalists, yes, and some of their views are at odds with orthodoxy at best, such as the Quran being created, wholesale rejection of the ahadith, God being so transcendent that he’s beyond attributes and other features that different sects might ascribe to him since Allah is the absolute, and more alongside those lines.
@MuftiAbuLayth
2 жыл бұрын
shukran but it is as I stated, just that its not popular. The Mutazila began as extremists but they werent violent. They didnt call people kafirs for sinning but declared them non-muslim. The Mutazila invented an entirely purgatory state [middle station] between Islam and kufr (manzila bayna manzilatayn) to accommodate for the belief. This is infact their 1st major foundation (of the 5). this is all well known in the books. In subsequent centuries the Mutazila were dominated by intellectual geniuses who therefore may have been embarrassed publicly from this extremism but they clearly write it e.g. AbdulJabbar's Usool Khamsa and continue to teach and preach it. The Khwarij were violent extremists and were a political movement to shift power and return it to a puritanical theocracy which they claim was ruined by Ali (r.a.) & Muawiya (r.a).
@jolaoshoabdulbateen8239
11 ай бұрын
I think the Mu'tazila might have some issues but if we're patient, we'll see the positives and can Identify the Issues.
@muhammadrizwan3626
3 жыл бұрын
mufti once you mentioned this book adam my father by abdel sabour shahin
@ZarasthuraGyattt
3 жыл бұрын
There's a lot. The prominents were Qadhi Abdul Jabbar and Qadhi Ibn Du'ad. And Yes Mu'tazilite were extremist at that time, they do takfir who stands al-Qur'an uncreated as equal to Christianity creed.
@ZarasthuraGyattt
2 жыл бұрын
@Kuffar punisher yurp he later, why any problem?
@saeedjaanz
11 ай бұрын
Mufti sometimes I think you're on the path of Mu'atzila, not an actual Mu'atzila 😢 because you deny so many I mean so many miracles written in Quran, yet you provide great intellect for that too. In other words, being a more rationalist man, against the consensus of Ummah. 😢 I have been watching you for 1.5 years I think. I know how you think & what kinds of religious mindset you have. I struggle, struggle & struggle. But, I love your knowledge tho. May Allah give hidaya to all of us. Ameen
@Excelfand
3 жыл бұрын
Sunni (especially from Shafie, Hanafi, and Hanbali) also believes on the bloodline. We have to respect all Prophet's descendants and we believe that they are ahl al-bayt. But we don't believe of their infalliability.
@noumanqureshi8489
2 жыл бұрын
We also don't believe they are destined by Allah to rule. Or the land they died on should be worshipped. Or hit our chests and carve scars in our back 🤷♂️🤔
@mohammadhaque9168
3 жыл бұрын
Do you have any references that Ibn Taymiyyah had mental issue ? Why did you say that.
@khanG-gq9hc
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting points about sectarian propaganda 💯
@blackberryfireball6653
3 жыл бұрын
But you are a Mutazili, not Sunni, cause you believe and reject according to your understanding your logic,aqal,that's the definition of a Mutazili, sometimes you act like a Murziya
@zayn6725
3 жыл бұрын
Wow so none of the Mu’tazilites were ever Sunni!!
@thephilosophermma8449
3 жыл бұрын
They were and still are . But unorthodox Sunni
@thephilosophermma8449
3 жыл бұрын
@MU'TAZILA ISLAM - المعتزلة indeed
@unnanointedonesufi
3 жыл бұрын
@@thephilosophermma8449 u cant be unorthadox sunni....
@Excelfand
3 жыл бұрын
Mu‘tazila still exists in Iran but they are minority.
@thephilosophermma8449
3 жыл бұрын
I am a Muta’zilite
@tsgillespiejr
3 жыл бұрын
And so am I. Now, let's see who starts whining about it.
@parchment543
3 жыл бұрын
Why would mufti call your group “extremists” and then say it’s like the Sunni vs Shia debacle?
@siraj_azraq
3 жыл бұрын
@@parchment543 Mufti Abu Layth vs Syed Ammar al-Nakshawani, Popular vs Popular in The UK. 😂 😂😂
@ZarasthuraGyattt
3 жыл бұрын
@@tsgillespiejr I would say Mu'tazilite were extremist at that time using Mihnah polemics as equal trinity creeds using takfir against the Traditionalist without deeping discussion. And Yes they were extreme each other.
@tsgillespiejr
3 жыл бұрын
@@ZarasthuraGyattt That was a political machination, and one which I as a Mu`tazilī strongly condemn. Anyone who participated in and supported it really betrayed the most basic principles of the school in particular and Islām in general.
@centi50s
3 жыл бұрын
Why don't you have a dialogue with apostate prophet
@abdulazizorry5774
Жыл бұрын
I hate when you laugh, try not to laugh so much
@yousefshokir6481
3 жыл бұрын
Mufti with an earring and chains and qaza. Likes to make everything a joke. Far from the guidance of our Prophet ﷺ
@lordrisen3696
3 жыл бұрын
This guy is technically mutazili or semi tanwiri in alot of his views ( on angels, on miracles, etc)
@lordrisen3696
3 жыл бұрын
@MU'TAZILA ISLAM - المعتزلة mushriks? Even al zamakhshari didn't call us mushriks,
@lordrisen3696
3 жыл бұрын
@Rational Islam if you didn’t understand what i said, go learn some Arabic, and then we can have a real conversation, I didn’t say the mutazilah themselves actually denied all miracles, but they don’t believe in karamat, and even some asharis fell into this like abu ishaq al isfarainiy, while affirming the mu’jizaat of the prophets, and some theologians limit them and others dont, some take them literally and others interpret them, study the Ashari liturgical texts and read their rebuttal of the mutazila, as for angels , the mutazilah favor them over the saints and even the prophets with the exclusion of our prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him, and the tanwiris, who are a later group, if you know who they are, are where mufti gets these views from, their new to you guys in the west, they’ve been already dealt with over here in the middle east by RATIONALIST Sunni Muslims (not some wahabis or Hadith dogmatics), especially Al azhar, were I attend and study, now go do yourself a favor and study actual normative Islam, and then we can have a intellectual discussion
@lordrisen3696
3 жыл бұрын
@Rational Islam you obviously have no knowledge or respect for the Islamic tradition unlike mufti abu layth, whom I know and respect, nor did you understand what i said , or you didn’t fully read my comment, I mentioned Arabic because I said he has some tanwiri (a sect)views, now again if you don’t know what that means, then your wasting your time trying to refute me، and I don’t care if your Arab it doesn’t mean you understand Islam or even fully know the Arabic language like alot of Arab laymen, I’m not playing games nor do I like to with disrespectful and hateful individuals, have a nice day
@ShihanShiya156
2 жыл бұрын
You are totally misunderstood and misinterpreted Mua'ttazila theology ,your talking about khawarij and these are two different types of ideologies ,also their is nothing called sunni or shia distincted splitt until rise of Gunpowder empires(Ottoman ,safavid and mughal), Mua'ttazila's Quran centric rationalist who were not extremists like most of Sunnis also shiis
@ajax1472
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it ironic ! These dawah on KZitem don't seem to read
@ayanlethesomali7357
2 жыл бұрын
No everything he said was Mu’tazili. They believed God had no control over daily life and had no knowledge of particulars.
@blackberryfireball6653
3 жыл бұрын
Are you serious?All the renowned scolars from Ahlus Sunnah refuted the Mutazilis,many public got confused but if you say the Mutazilis won over Ahlus Sunnah and made them angry that's a misconception
@philosopher8052
Жыл бұрын
No. The only people believed the Quran is uncreated were hanbalis.
@adoreroftheexpander7342
3 жыл бұрын
*9:58**-**11:00* 💎💎💎
@Fahimreasons
3 жыл бұрын
Dear Mufti , Ya Shiek ; I really appreciated your videos until I came to this one . No offence , but by Allah you are slandering. Ma Salaam
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