I enjoyed this video very much, Isa! I suspect that you’re likely on the right trail when you explore Tolkien’s preferences that he expressed in his essay “On Fairy Stories.” There is a big tonal difference between Dune and Lord of the Rings, but the biggest difference might be in the portrayal and role of faith.
@FunFantasyBooks
5 ай бұрын
So happy you enjoyed it Philip! 🥰✨! Thank you for inspiring me to do it!
@edwardsjarje
4 ай бұрын
As much as I love LOTR, I have a pretty good sense that I would not have liked its author as a person. Conversely, I’m not exactly a fan of Dune but I think Herbert and I would’ve gotten along famously. But that’s the lovely thing about stories/sagas like this; we can completely separate our appreciation from the mind that created it, even if we don’t agree with their personal tenets. Great video, Isa!
@piebaldhamster
4 ай бұрын
I have been trying for years to understand what Tolkien really meant in 'On Fairy Stories'. After your video, now I finally do.
@FunFantasyBooks
4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! It means a lot to me!
@D3Reads
5 ай бұрын
What an excellent video. This is an incredibly interesting analysis of two of my favorite authors, so thank you!
@FunFantasyBooks
5 ай бұрын
So happy you enjoyed it! I had a blast researching!!
@gabrielazurda4086
24 күн бұрын
Great video! I'm surprised you didn't mention the Orange Catholic Bible that appears in Dune, which is a direct attack to Tolkien beliefs. Tolkien also supported the Francisco Franco regime, because he thought republicans might hurt the Catholic Church. He was very convinced in his beliefs, to say the least.
@mvinson8706
5 ай бұрын
He also didn't like Narnia despite his friendship with Lewis. So I have a feeling he had narrow tastes. I do love LOTR
@FunFantasyBooks
5 ай бұрын
True true! Tolkien definitely knew what he liked!
@marthewold8014
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I think I've heard he also hated the theatre. He didn't like cars either, so it makes sense that science fiction in general was not for him. He had very particular tastes.
@koko40800
5 ай бұрын
Tolkien was an effete British Oxford educated snob...naturally he couldn't stand the fact that a self educated American without a college degree would write a work that surpassed his
@laku_u
5 ай бұрын
This was highly informative! Not being the biggest fan of either series I didn't have any strong opinion anyway, but it was great to deep dive into Tolkien's ideology regarding his writing. Now I'm curious to find what contemporary works he did like 👀
@FunFantasyBooks
5 ай бұрын
Haha I found myself thinking that! I feel he will cheer for Sanderson and hate Grim Dark!
@brookeelizabeth681
5 ай бұрын
Wonderful video...very informative ❤️📖
@3choblast3r4
5 ай бұрын
It's kinda interesting that I can't find much on Herbert's religious views, only that he was raised Catholic. But considering the themes of Dune I imagine he wasn't very religious. But he definitely was conservative. Not only was he a supporter of the republican party, apparently. It's also clear from many of the themes and events in his books. It seems like he also didn't much like lgbt people. (the Baron etc aside, his other son, the one that doesn't write sequels to his books is gay and he claims his father refused to talk to him and even tried to block him from seeing his dying mother) *But, unlike most conservatives and republicans* of his time I imagine, he had a great admiration for non western cultures. The thing is, Tolkien was a super devout Catholic who helped convince C.S. Lewis to become a Christian again (he became Anglican though, which disappointed Tolkien.) Tolkien calls LOTR a fundementally Christian text. There are tons of Christian inspired themes in it. In LOTR faith, aristocracy, kings, great leaders and heroes. These are good, beautiful things. Tolkien had a fascination with the past and in many ways saw it as better than the "modern times" he lived in. Herbert's book is all about how aristocracy often uses, abuses and manipulates the masses. How great leaders are an even greater danger. How the myth created, and blindly followed around those great leaders is incredibly dangerous. How religion is often used as a tool to manipulate the masses and sow great destruction for personal goals or motivations of leaders, aristocracy, certain groups with their own interests and motivations (like the Bene Gesserit) It's not strange that Tolkien didn't like it. I love me a good fantasy, history, stories about aristocracy, kings, heroes and anti heroes. But all in all, Frank Herbert was definitely right and the message of his book is a far better and much more important. Even early on in the book, long before Paul loses himself. Herbert warns to reader with one of irulan's chapter intro's where he essentially implores the reader to always be scaptical and sardonic about some "great leader" and the myth surrounding him. So you can question your own beliefs and not fall for the propaganda. Because quite often we are perfectly willing to believe and support propaganda that fits our ideology or narrative.
@koko40800
5 ай бұрын
Herbert was not a Republican...I don't know why Republicans keep trying to claim that, when we all know no Republican could have ever created anything close to the level of 'Dune'....Most of them are halfwits with zero creativity...How many great artists are Republicans? I can count them with no fingers....Frank Herbert was "A beatnik before it became a movement" according to his son....the fact that FH could not accept his son's homosexuality may make him seem Republican today, but back in Herbert's day both right and left had difficulty accepting homosexuality
@zuzanaochmanova2652
5 ай бұрын
Great video Isa! Tolkien sounds kinda like hater 😅 but i think it is obvious that heavy Christian man dislikes Dune because Dunes shows how easily are people manipulated with religion. I like both stories, i think Dune is more realistic in representation of human beings (unfortunately) and maybe thats also why he disliked it as he hoped people are good in heart? 🤔
@FunFantasyBooks
5 ай бұрын
Aww thank you Zuzka!! Yeah, with what I researched… it is very unlikely he would have liked how humanity was reflected in dune!
@LaughingStockfarm1
5 ай бұрын
I think Tolkien had such a knee jerk response to allegory (alle GOR y rather than al LEH gor y) because folks kept accusing LotR kept being “accused” of being allegory and he had repeatedly said it was NOT. 😆 However, I also didn’t really care for Dune, but I’ve only read the first one, and I understand it gets better in the second book.
@FunFantasyBooks
5 ай бұрын
Lord of the Rings and Dune can’t be more different haha so it is really no surprising!
@Christian-ut2sp
5 ай бұрын
Strange, I dislike both Dune and the LOTR (don't shoot me)
@budgiecat9039
5 ай бұрын
How bout Devilman
@FunFantasyBooks
5 ай бұрын
Hahaha that’s alright! Thank you for letting me know!
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