Why Liverpool's press doesn't work anymore

When you don’t know ball and are grateful for someone teaching you Lmao

@Lone Starr train and move nunez to mane's position and move Diaz upfront.

@Danial Rosli What would your suggestion for a fitting replacement have been?

@Stadia Mak well not replacing mane w someone w a similar profile is a mistake. But Mane is already past 30 and it was a financially-wise decision considering circumstances

Imho, Klopp needs to be more ruthless and refresh, he is too loyal atm...to the players, they are hanging him out to dry, like the mentality cycle...no one could even score against Liverpool before this season...

Yeah, if you want to remove all nuance and actual analysis.

Borussia Dortmund had the same problem in Klopp's last seasons there.

Too much Pornhub

@Ze Moose don’t think you’re understanding the point… Mane leaving definitely affected the press but he’s not the main reason why it doesn’t work 😂 it’s like taking a Toyota Camry to an F1 race and blaming the tires for not winning…sure it doesn’t help but there’s far bigger reasons lol

@Alan B The 3rd stage is anger. 😉

​@Prometheus So... What do you think about Gakpo now?

@sdkvbewofubnvienvkl So Tifo knew that Alisson one of the most reliable keepers would make a howler to give madrid a lifeline and a shock to his teammates?😄😄😄😄

@aquamon 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It all went wrong when we let Mane go

Yes 😂😂

@DefenciveSide don't have to wait long atm 😞

@Natsu Dama oh ye and we will love and keep it coming 🤭🤭🤭😉😉😉😉😉😊

Shadie Kungu 😂🤣🤣😅😆

Roy Keane: "But it's their job!!!!"

@Jack Delacey your opinion on this matter is like me saying, if you play the lottery you will win it today. Liverpool had already won the league before the interruption happened. You would have needed Liverpool who lost 1 game by that time to start losing every other game. Something that was very unlikely but only became more likely because of the interruption.

@Jack Delacey Liverpool won the league before covid. It was city who won the league during covid times with no crowd's. Again I reiterate if Liverpool didn't play again the season covid interrupted, and everyone else did play after when there were no crowd's, Liverpool still would have won the league. They were that far in front before the covid interruption. The following season was behind closed doors all season and Liverpool didn't have a cb because vvd gomez and matip all suffered season ending injuries by February. It seems your memory needs a jog.

@Joe Barnes true I just think if there was no covid, players getting injured, crowds back in stadiums then I don't think they'd of won the league, just my opinion.

@Jack Delacey it was the season Liverpool got 99 points. City would have had to get 100 points again to win the league that season. City losing laporte early in the season made it a little easier I wouldn't deny that. But only one season did city get more than 99 points so it's a bit of a ask for them to have done it again.

@Joe Barnes if man city had their best players playing in their preferred positions then no, I don't think Liverpool would have won the league

@N D goes to show how good Ronaldo was, that match against Villarreal was surreal. Too bad his teammates had so big an ego.

​@Chris Nolan Manchester United VS Leeds showed just how much ETH has had impact on his team. Any other year 2 goals down, United would have no chance of coming back, even if by individual brilliance they came back it would look like a single player playing and the rest sulking and being toxic . Now they look like a team that is fighting for each other and genuinely playing for the love of United. Leeds were really lucky to get a draw.

Klopp just smiles at games now, gives the opp manager a big hug ...can't blame him.

@Chris Nolan Martinez has been better than good take a look at his stats, lads been unreal, rashford has been deadly and is a constant threat and also providing assists and is a danger to any team,sounds to me like you’re reaching here a bit, I’m not underestimating anyone but Man U can beat Leeds twice and Leicester they have more players who can create something out of nothing . Of course United don’t have a definitive tactic to stick to just yet, ten hag hasn’t had time to fully implement his style, but he has improved the defence the passing the movement on and off the ball and the counters are deadly. Saying they are gullible haha you’re clutching at straws here aren’t you haha Sounds like you’re really into that wishful thinking more than talking about facts, the turnaround that ten hag has achieved so far with Man U is way beyond anyone expected! They will only get better.

@Jay In The Lab Productions well, Martinez is good in that defensive unit together, and Rashford is doing what Ronaldo did last season, somebody has got to score the most for the team. Casemiro brought significant quality into the starving Man United midfield all by himself, all Ten Hag had to do is let him do his thing, read and intercept. Also don't underestimate Leeds or Leicester, they can ruin it for anyone. I still believe United doesn't have a definite system to stick to, it's very similar to Ole's high press-and-counter, which is very gullible. If someone forces them out of their game, or uses their own tactics against them, then what?

Their biggest problem is motivation issue, simple. They achieved alot in the past

This isn't about getting "found out". Did you even watch the video? Liverpool can't maintain the same intensity as previous seasons (likely due to the fitness of their midfielders), which is why their pressing has not been very effective.

Tactic-wise, football teams are like cruise ships: it takes quite some time to turn the wheels.

@Hachi He got 'found out' by keeping Burnley in the Premier League for years on a shoestring budget? Hardly.

@Hachiu r silly, Dyche is an amazing manager w proper pressing + low block

@Ashvin Tyagi dyche got found out hard, hes just going to get everton relegated to the point its gonna need another burnley kompany magic rebuild

@Brandon Milo 4-5-1

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@Xingyu Zhou Enjoyin his injury at Bayern is he🤔 Any Liverpool fan would tell you Mane is not the man we're missing.

He and van Dijk were were Liverpool's most important players. Now Mane is enjoying life at Bayern, and van Dijk's body is probably stuffed in a basement somewhere while van Shite collects the paycheck.

@Big Meatie well, he doesn’t state it as a fact, he stated it as just his opinion.

@J D no need for that, im a massive fan of JJ's breakdowns too.

Miles better than JJ imo

@Cameron Jones the point is there,just find someone with good english to elobrate. My point then uwill know about prestige and glory nomatter what years the tournament is held on,,

@ziad elsissy You seem to have confused yourself with someone who understands the English language. I was alive and kicking during Liverpools domination so I know how good they were but it's a bit far back to start talking about 1910 to 1951 for UTD supporters. I doubt there are many people alive who remember all that but Liverpools 30 year drought is very much within living memory

@Kelvin England 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I love this commment

@Cameron Jones imagine ur grandfather died in suffering of less trophy where liverpools grandfather rosy in glory,,eveytime is matter for supporters,,thats why stadium is full with spectators if not dont organisze football tournament,,

Wijnaldum yes but mane no they never replaced wij but mane was replaced while still on the team by Luis dias and the bought nunez in attack

I'd argue that Wijnaldum was the biggest loss, his constant pressing took the load off of Henderson and Fabinho so they could do their jobs without having to be everywhere on the pitch at once. Hendo is getting older and can't cover the ground, Thiago just isn't the kind of player to cover the distance and take the load of and I don't think Fabinho has recovered from playing a crazy amount of games last season. As you say we need some workhorses. In previous years we had a midfield built out of workhorses and while sometimes it left us a bit stagnant we remained hard to break down, we might not win the game because we lacked those pass picking midfielders to get past the defensive block but at least we weren't getting punished every time the opposition managed to escape their own penalty area.

It is fabinho I would say

The difference is Barcelona went crazy in the market and buried themselves in debt. FSG, quite the opposite, would rather see their team sit mid-table than make the overhaul that’s needed to bring in players who can bring in the pressing intensity in midfield that’s needed.

Spot on but I believe Diaz should get a pass because he does quite well for himself and does everything asked of him and more

@MabinogiChristianJ I Wish I could read this all but I honestly don't have the time to. So I'll just say alright 👍🏽

@Lone Starr Thank you for that

​@Adain Jarrio The problem @Advenco is describing is that people (especially sports fans it seems, unfortunately) can't accept variance. They don't understand that you can make all the right plays, and all the right decisions, and still lose to someone who was inferior in all the same areas but had one good chance be a success (especially in team games where chaos and a bunch of tiny, immeasurable factors play a difference). Humans in general are desperate to feel that they have control over the things that are happening in their lives, and sport - where it's one team vs another, ad the better team should always win - is supposed to be a bastion for that type of thinking. But Advenco is right, that just isn't the case. You can do everything within your power, and still not actually change the outcome to be as you want sometimes. Fortunately football is a great sport, and it's a rare occurrence, but it does happen where you dominate in every category, but the forces outside your control have just enough influence to affect the result. Most high level managers understand this fact and often allude to it, but people play it off as them making excuses. Yes it sounds bad when you've just lost and a manger starts talking about the weather, and the pitch, and the referee and economic recession (lol), but factually speaking they're absolutely right that (especially in tandem) all of these things can take a result outside of your control. If you look at something like tennis, it's one player vs another, and reacting to each others decisions, and their own decisions on a point by point, and hit by hit basis. That's about the most control you can have over a result in a sport because it's just you reacting to them, and you have the control to respond to everything the opponent does. But even then things like weather and how much sleep you got, and that girl that broke your heart will affect your play. Football is 22 players. Each player is reacting to the other 21, and each of those 21 is in turn reacting to the other 21. And then all 22 are reacting to the reactions of the other 21 simultaneously reacting to the reactions of the other 21... and so on. Then there are managers. And coaches. And fans. And substitutes. And each of these elements are being affected by the same elements the tennis players I mentioned before are being affected by (and of course many, many, many more elements that would take a lifetime to name). The amount growth in lack-of-control is enormously exponential. Again, it's only because Football is such a beautiful and technical sport that results manage to be as consistent as they are. I'll be honest, I'm a Liverpool fan, but this isn't me making excuses for the final, or how the season is going, this is simply the reality of the sport. There's a reason there are so few undefeated seasons in the history of the game. There's a reason it's even rarer to find a season where a team won every match (not even sure any team has done that? Think Barca femeni at least came close though), even with teams considered to be some of the GOATs. There's also a reason you might see that much more regularly in other (especially shingle player) sports. Yes results still matter, yes it's still the players and coaches and tbh even fans' responsibilities to do as much as they can to solve the problems they can control. But you simply will not have an 100% hitrate. The better team will not win every time. And so taking the conclusion that because a team won a single match against another, that they must be the better team (or even the better team on the day) is wrong.

@Adain Jarrio no, it is still outcome bias and we can use your logic for any game where one team gets dominated but still wins. “They didn’t need to dominate to win” okay but they still were the worse team. Their process to win the game was inferior to Liverpool’s, but on the day they won.

@Advenco But the outcome is what matters. Jose Mourihno proved this multiple times and still no one takes him seriously. Madrid didn't need to dominate the game. Infact they didn't dominate any of the games that whole Champions League run. They just played really intelligently and to their strengths and look what happened. Klopp has no second tactic and this season he should be playing defensively but he isn't because he's stubborn. Stubborn can be good but not when you're sitting 9th in the league with a team that should be challenging with the top 4.

Was a joke last season, the players actually had to work for once and threw ragnick under the bus because they thought he was a temporary man. Good thing ten haag showed them whos boss

*sold This isn't American Football

@Uncle Seekx thank god for that

He's GONE!!!!!!

Not sure I could sit through a 3hr video.

@Phightinphil25 the regular 9-0 trashing each season 😄😄. I understand the team was bad, but if they had no decent manage to hire, they should have left him, better than what they have now

@Uncle Seekx Exactly ! Ralph Hasenhuttle was underrated, yes Southhampton always had a calamity in them during his reign but were generally solid and competent despite a clear lack of talent.

@OutlawTV88 what are u on mate?? No correlation.

fans are always more gutted than players, that's bc they have huge wages! but money cannot buy out depression in a long term and that is what we observe

Darwin shows the same in FM series amazingly accurate. this why I have never brought him to my club even tho he has great stats in physical and mental :)

@Ricardo Tella Yes, they will. When John Henry's purchase was finalized, the first thing he did was fire Kenny Dalglish. The new owners would probably do the same.

@uncreative5766 Owners know they need to have a good relationship with fans, and some understand the situation before purchasing. They won't just sack him and replace them immediately, especially if the rest of the executive staff are against it.

Yeah, but if John Henry and the Fenway Sports Group actually manage to sell the club, then the new owners will most likely want to fire Klopp. They'll probably want to hire their own people.

That and the keeper just has to stand still while Nunez fires the ball right at him over and over.

@KindredBrujah Liverpool actually had one of their longest stretches of games without a clean sheet in the beginning of 19-20, but they won a lot of games 2-1 or 3-1 so it didn’t affect results negatively. Then midway through the season, Liverpool started keeping a lot of clean sheets but after that Covid happened which kind of messed everything up and Liverpool were below average defensively in those last games. So that could explain why Liverpool conceded a lot of direct attacks.

I did wonder about that myself. Perhaps they just regularly outscored their opponent, rather than were particularly effective defensively?

Trent and Bajcetic have been the only quality performers lately though so I don't buy that, I do think we miss Hendo but its the entire midfield missing which is the issue, Fabinho has completely dropped off too and Thiago hasn't been great this season.

Going to be a long season to follow....

julian ward leaving might have something to do with owners trying to sell the club

Hahahaha what a rant that was

Yup mane

You are not wrong. Klopp once said that our defense always starts from the front and that time we had both Mane and Firmino in their prime years, which were really intelligent and hardworking players as they allowed Salah who is more of a pure scorer, outperformed himself for so many years. Now that Mane was sold, Firmino no longer a player that he was due to fitness problem and possibly too much football without rest, our pressing falls beyond the cliff. While we still have quality players like Jota and Diaz, both of them are totally different type of players, Jota more of a poacher, Diaz more of a traditional winger who hug lines. Really frustrating to see this as a Liverpool fan.

is there another tifo channel?

I think they should go for Ruben Neves, he has been a workhorse for Wolves and he has experience compared to Gallagher, Neves also offers decent amount of creativity as well.

Hi mate, Liverpool fan here. To summarize your question, the answer is - All of the above. 1. Firmino has passed his prime and getting injured more often, which we cannot blame him as he had too much football, but still, we do miss his pressing and intelligent yet selfless run. Our defense always start from the front, and usually it either starts from Firmino or Mane, who left the club. Salah was never effective in pressing, while Jota and Diaz are hardworking but pressing isn't their natural game. As for Nunez, same category with Jota and Diaz. So in short, it's a collective collapse due to lack of intelligent presser. We don't lack hardworking players who can press, but we do lack intelligent presser who press at the right time and right moment. 2. Other teams have already figured us out long ago back then at 2020,especially the covid season. It's just that other teams didn't really grab their chance to score after they beat our press, and we still had an outstanding defense and Alisson was a beast. Now that we no longer have a functioning midfield, no more effective pressing from the front and constant injuries in our backline, one can imagine if we don't have Alisson/Kelleher in goal, we will be way much worse than this! 3. The individual errors sometimes did occurred at the past, but as I said, we had an outstanding defense and Alisson at his best, that's why it wasn't that bad because we had it covered. Now we have a decimated squad because of injuries, as well as tired players, it's no surprise that individual errors are mch more glaring too see this year. Especially we have a player called Gomez who is always error prone just like Lovren, it makes things even worse. In short, we are already screwed and it is going to be a long season.

pretty sure he’s registered now

thats my main issue with klopp, there is 0 adjustment from him, the squad are not good and yet still doing the same exact thing he was doing when we were at our best

@Junior Adult bruh. Pep is also a one trick pony you see. Just keep the ball and pass around. Costed them the loss against Madrid last year even when they were leading.

@Gaming Robioto Pep had one of the best teams ever at Barcelona and only had a plan A. Generally speaking he really only has a plan A every season, it just changes from season to season. Same applies to Klopp. Some plans are just better than others, admittedly.

@Gaming Robioto thats why pep is above klopp. He is always making tactical changes when players leave or come in

He's ALWAYS only had one plan. His plan A is fantastic, but when it stops working he has zero plan B and is too stubborn to adapt. The best managers are fluid in thier approach. Klopp is arrogant, stubborn and a terrible loser