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@kingshadow8782
5 ай бұрын
😬
@kingshadow8782
5 ай бұрын
Manga is better.
@WannabeWryter
5 ай бұрын
Manga's beating comics, is this because we let the GAYS In? NO, we tell stories about hot muscular bodybuilders fighting in skin-tight spandex ... they were already here 😅 Oh yeah, your right, Must be the crappy marketing, MU-HA-HA ( 1 of many reasons I started reading 💪😍 Aquaman, Superman, Batman & HE-MAN, ANIME CAN KEEP THEIR PRETTY TWINKS, COMIC CHARACTERS ARE MADE LARGER THAN LIFE)
@UncannyGirl
5 ай бұрын
I **WISH**! The Japaneses market focused on readers places less focus on collecting individual chapters (aka Comics) but instead focuses on collective volumes (TPB and HC collections.) The market does not treat collected volumes as blink and you miss it limited print runs. Instead, when stores say they sold out... the print more. For those who prefer having TPBs and HCs on the shelf this model is a dream come true. I cannot count the number of HC's missing from myself due to them just not being on the market or eBay listings are for over 10x MSRP. (Got lucky this past month and found one in Switerzland which just cleared Customs but with Google search engine becoming utter crap... I am call this last pick-up a fluke.) Magna can and should rule us all. No more continutity reboots, no more collected volumes being treated as limited editions, and ease of access to every book digitally.
@justinkdavis5101
5 ай бұрын
Could marvel and DC just reboot everything start from zero in a different universe and Commit to it.
@SLouiss
5 ай бұрын
I do think Manga generally has more conclusions to their stories and characters that age. Comics have an eternal second act with a sliding timeline.
@yarc9
5 ай бұрын
Character can change in comics too Batman & Superman they literally became dads
@bigballofnerd
5 ай бұрын
@@yarc9Yeah, but most changes don’t stick because the Big Two always have to go back to the “status quo.” It’s one of the main reasons I personally stopped reading mainstream superhero comics, because in the end there’s always a chance that your favorite character could suddenly be reset and it’s like all that progression they made never happened.
@yarc9
5 ай бұрын
@@bigballofnerd characters regress in manga too
@bigballofnerd
5 ай бұрын
@@yarc9 That’s fair, but I highly doubt manga fans have to worry about their favorite characters being rebooted every decade or so with the possibility of their marriages/children and/or years-worth of story progression being erased because the character ALWAYS has to be a certain version of themselves.
@yarc9
5 ай бұрын
@@bigballofnerd ask dragon ball fans and Naruto fans still complaining about their fan favorite franchise being rebooted japan are the kings of reboots
@redheadmedia7901
5 ай бұрын
This is coming from someone who's worked in book stores for years. Manga isn't killing comics. Comics are killing comics. From my experience, working in both Barnes and Noble and at Half Price Books, manga sells much more than both floppy's and trades. It isn't even close. At Half Price Books our floppy comics were $1 a book unless it was a special collectible. Our trades, even the hardcover, were usually either half the price of the book or sometimes even less. Manga was always half price. Never lower. When I tell you that our manga shelf would empty out over and over I mean it. We would fill it and in only a couple of weeks it would be emptied out. Meanwhile selling comics was rough. Even popular books. Walking Dead, Injustice, hell even Batman would sit on the shelf for months to even years before we either sell it or move it to clearance. There is no argument for comics selling better than manga. It's a losing battle. But the reason comics aren't selling isn't due to manga selling well. They have nothing to do with each other. The reason comics sell poorly is because they're marketed like crap, they're too expensive, and people don't know what to read. Manga is simple, if it says 1 on the cover you're good to go. Comics is very different. #1 may be the start but it also might be a spin off of a long running series, it could be a relaunch where there's still tons of history before that number 1. Comics is a much harder sell because they're steeped in continuity. Continuity is cool! I'm not against it, but it's the main cause for people abandoning comic books or being too disinterested in picking them up in the first place.
@xposhboyx
3 ай бұрын
💯🏆 all truth And I read both.
@dbzandnarutomaniac
5 ай бұрын
I love comics and manga but I haven’t read a full comic in maybe a decade. I think my issue is that with comics you got so many different stories and variations of the same character it starts to become a headache. I get the multiverse/elseworlds stuff but it gets frustrating. That’s where manga gets me because it’s one linear story that’s easier to digest in a lot of cases. Sorry for the little pamphlet lol.
@infinitemonkeytheorem4327
5 ай бұрын
Honestly that's why at this point when I read American comics I've stopped trying to keep up to date and just started reading storylines I think are cool.
@Agent_Cobalt
5 ай бұрын
And they want you to struggle to keep up with it. Just like the MCU. The idea that you feel compelled to watch everything just because it’s technically connected is they’re wet dream
@Lifegivinglemons
5 ай бұрын
The only way I can even consider reading comics, is online. Cuz at that point if you're reading it on a site that's doing a full story run, it'll more than likely have every chapter of that story. So there's no question of "where you do I need to go to find the next chapter/volume?" It's right there. That's great, but sucks if you're into physical media. Which I still kind of am.
@theketaminekid1241
5 ай бұрын
Totally reasonable and logical take. We need new superheroes, new icons! When will we get a new Superman, Batman, Spiderman?
@miken.1705
5 ай бұрын
The first comic i activity bought was Green Lantern New Guardians and tried to make sense of the universe by picking up Batman then Superman, Wonder Woman, and a bunch of other to realize they dont really connect or build on each other I ultimately feel off during Infinite Frontier because I was looking for them to establish some cohesion with the universe but only saw people in there own corners doing unconnected things agian
@HiroshirouTavern
5 ай бұрын
I mean is this even a surprise? Lately comic book publishers like Marvel or DC have been screwing up HEAVILY with no pauses so yeah until someone ends up rehashing the ENTIRE DAMNED STRUCTURE OF WORK for these publishers considering their latest fuck-ups . . . So . . . Yep . . .
@HiroshirouTavern
5 ай бұрын
My argument why I think Manga is beating Comic Books lately is not because of the stupid reasons laid in the video but rather what is happening currently . . . The writers are continuing to screw-up continuity and pull stunts just to get cheap drama and stuff from the usual gig . . . Like what had happened lately with the Spider-Man comics with the Ms. Marvel drama plus lately Venom comics being affected by the issue of "New Writer wants to screw established lore and plot just for the sake of cheap shock value" syndrome . . . And other things . . .
@ComicBrooks
3 ай бұрын
I Miss You Benny. . . . R.I.P
@mrarcade2504
5 ай бұрын
I think the big issue is with the big two comic companies. Comics in generally can and probably are functioning just like manga. Follow one character and story. End the story. If the story is good then boom, tv series
@robertnoble7554
5 ай бұрын
Following the same character over and over and over and over and over and over, comics sucks
@JamailvanWestering
5 ай бұрын
@@robertnoble7554same happen with a lot of manga…
@JamailvanWestering
5 ай бұрын
If the story is good turn it into a tv show, so if a story is bad turn it into a movie or? Because Civil War was a bad comic, the movie being worse but okay
@zettovii1367
5 ай бұрын
The thing about comics, is that even when they start with a beginning, middle and end.... They also got a bunch of crossovers and side content, followed by sequels, after sequels, after sequels and sometimes reboots (particularly in DC's case). A manga equivalent of that, is if every single Shonen jump series took place in the same universe, with all of the popular ones being as long running as One Piece. It's bound to get messy.
@MWhaleK
5 ай бұрын
Borrowing tropes, themes and various other ideas from Manga could work. Think about reimaging the Guardians of the Galaxy as One Piece style Space pirates or Blade as a Kimetsu No Yaba/Demon Slayer inspired Vampire hunter or Spider-man as a Naruto style Ninja or X-men fused with My Hero Academia world or a Slice of life/High School drama Harem series.
@plain1150
5 ай бұрын
I still prefer manga why? at least they don't keep changing writer mid story which will cause confusion and some like to self insert themself in the story, if manga do it at least we all know that the mc is the self insert from the start and not magically appeared out of knowhere to marry the love interest😂
@riardomilos8014
5 ай бұрын
That's the good. The bad is.. Well, if the artist is dead or ill, the material usually stops abruptly or continues with a whole different feeling.
@plain1150
5 ай бұрын
@@riardomilos8014 well i agree that is the silver lining, I'm happy someone was able to success the late toriyama but do you know how many times writers are change in comics like dc or marvel ?
@SpicyClover
5 ай бұрын
Manga is relatively cheaper and more entertaining for me to read then buying comic books. I also don't gotta worry about reading other comics to understand what's going on in the series of batman, flash, iron man, etc. It's just easier to digest (for me)
@king_gaming6813
5 ай бұрын
U literally don’t need to do that
@TheGoldenFighter
5 ай бұрын
You don't have to read others but yup, what I've been saying right, manga is meant to be looked at. You don't have to read, therefore you can just read the dialogue, and not any captions and just look at the action etc.
@dbzandnarutomaniac
5 ай бұрын
@@TheGoldenFighter that isn’t true one bit.
@TheGoldenFighter
5 ай бұрын
@@dbzandnarutomaniac What isn't or?
@dbzandnarutomaniac
4 ай бұрын
@@TheGoldenFighter saying manga is meant to just be looked at. There’s so many instances where reading is very fundamental to understanding the story, just like any comic
@Oblivion___
5 ай бұрын
The problem with comics is that the stories never end. The only comics I read are short stories with a beginning and an end, they are usually Batman stories, the most recent Batman story I read was Arkham A Serious House and Dark Knights of Steel, it's a short story, but it has a beginning, middle and end. Comics need to be more linear, they need to have an end and be easier to follow. Dark Knights of Steel was meh, but at least it was a story I could follow, I just sat down one afternoon and read the comic. I'm not saying we should never have a Batman, Superman, Spider-Man comic again, but the stories need to end, the biggest example I can give is Nolan's trilogy, Nolan made his trilogy, beginning, middle and end, but after he left he left room for new directors to come and do their own Batman stories. Another example is the Arkham game series, beginning, middle and end, or at least it had an end, until DC tried to revive the story with Gotham Knights and finally Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League, what happened to the Arkham series is everything that is wrong with the comics, the story was over, but instead of leaving it dead, DC tried to continue and destroyed the universe. Hire a writer and let him tell his Batman story.
@mttylerdurden9
5 ай бұрын
Have you ever heard of Indie comics? Dark horse, image comics, boom studios? They have done everything manga has done for 30+ years.
@xposhboyx
3 ай бұрын
Comics never ending is part of the fun. There are plenty of comics that do end. Invincible for example. Or finite stories with known characters, like All Star Superman. But part of the enjoyment of the long running superhero comics is exactly that they are long running.
@shinkaiatsuya950
5 ай бұрын
Anime style art people dont know how vague that is. Can range from Bleach to Jojo to Rankin Bass Rudolph and everything in between or more.
@christophercharles1937
5 ай бұрын
One thing Manga will always have over Comics is that they don’t have to adhere to certain rules. Marvel and DC comics will have the same characters done by different people but the character will have the same backstory, friends, villains, etc. A Batman comic will have Batman stuff in it, even an elseworld story. Manga can have thousands of different concepts and stories without having to adhere to the same rules. It’s hard to explain, but I think Marvel and DC monopoly is a big issue
@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850
Ай бұрын
Crazy how in 3 months the internet switched up and is now saying comics and cartoons are better than animanga
@justamudkipwhohasinternet
4 күн бұрын
@@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 no it's not
@WeaponOfMyDestructio
5 ай бұрын
Manga are easier to read and get into. Just pick up volume 1. Comics you gotta do homework to see which batman your following
@king_gaming6813
5 ай бұрын
No u don’t
@nikoladzhurov1800
5 ай бұрын
@@king_gaming6813 yes you do I am not paying the comic book prices to follow Split/rebooot x10000000. People don't even fucking do that for free shit that's on the internet. The industry sucks its monopolized and it's like microtransactions from video games just worse. Lit any other way to distribute and phase stories and issues would be better. it just sucks trying to be a comic book fan and follow the stories sucks ass.
@karimdavis7065
5 ай бұрын
YOU do. Most people don't
@kadegetslaid634
5 ай бұрын
Not really, its pretty easy to just pick up a comic and know whats happening, thatsbhow i got into it
@MegaDman16
5 ай бұрын
This is 100% true.
@lssjgaming1599
5 ай бұрын
My big problem with Japanese manga has to be the overworking of the artists. Its genuinely brutal and has led to many artists getting ill or dying. That being said i do like how much easier it is to follow Japanese manga compared to the Big 2's superhero Comics since its not split upon like 500 books for character
@kyallokytty
5 ай бұрын
yeah they gotta get better labor laws there mangakas have an average lifespan of 20(?) years lower than the average japanese person
@TheGoldenFighter
5 ай бұрын
There you go, you don't hear that from American comics and don't have to follow, they recap.
@kyallokytty
5 ай бұрын
@@TheGoldenFighter I mean americans have other issues with labor laws, but thats the whole country, not just comic artists
@TheGoldenFighter
5 ай бұрын
@@kyallokytty No, I mean the whole overworking thing. The comics are so bad that noone buys them so the creators don't get paid.
@kainthedestroyer
5 ай бұрын
I think you also missed a more fundamental issue: There's always another manga, anime, what-have-you protagonist or story to get behind. A new plot, a new perspective, a new message. Novelty. No matter how interesting or well written a new Batman or Spiderman is, it's still a character we already know doing things we can essentially predict from the outset. Without novelty, you can't win a new audience- you can only lose the one you have.
@mallyosih7455
5 ай бұрын
The real problem with comics is that dc and marvel do everything to keep a monopoly of things and inage comics and other indie heavy hitters are okay with being second place. Thats first. The second and more poignant issue with comics nowadays is that most of the writers are genuinly shit at writing. They count on the art carrying the "wow" effect and they only write in superlatives ( the strongest, the smarts , the most this , the most that) and focus on events rather than stories. Essentially a literary version of empty calories. Lastly, dc and marvel cant let go. They forget that their poster heroes became world phenoms because they reflected the logos , pathos, and ethos of the time. Essentially the supermans and the spideys and the batmans are being rehashed over and over again, whereas there is potential for a whole new roasters of heroes, and to actually let the heroes die off or age ( and continue with one of stories about their glory days if they wanna keep publishing them) would actually make the legacies of their poster heroes much more potent. Instead of making johnathan kent the new superman, highlight his terran side and make him a whole different hero in the super family. Let spiderman actually age and let him have kids or mentor miles. Heck miles is old enough now to be his own stand alone spider based hero ( name him the fantastic tarantula for all i care but let him do his thing) etc etc.
@Agent_Cobalt
5 ай бұрын
You nailed it, but there’s also something to say about some of the recent new characters and how they are not popular, yet the companies refuse to let them go also. It’s egotistical. Like these characters will be the next big thing and you will like it. Doesn’t matter how many runs get canceled. They are too proud of them on a superficial level
@mallyosih7455
5 ай бұрын
@Agent_Cobalt exactly! I tried soooooo hard to like the green lanterns or jon kent ( even damian is kinda boring if imma keep it real with u chief, for me at least). And you can see that the big companies are trying to generate stories for film adaptations and it muddies the creativity. Heck if they are soooooo scared of moving and creating new stories for new characters, they can always revamp one of their old characters they barely mention. The question, amazing man, black cat ( bro an mma spin on black cat would killllll it ), heck maybe flesh out raven beyond being beast boy's goth gf or finally take the time to write a compelling progression for tim drake. Same with villains. I love lex, i love the joker, i love the rogues,but gimme something new and not hacky/edgy though. I genuinly hope that millennials and zoomers becoming writers do understand that magic of comics is the narration of it all and the projection of humanity and what it aspires to be. Like wearing a batman t shirt back in the early 2000s felt genuinely empowering and bad ass whereas now its just a brand
@Agent_Cobalt
5 ай бұрын
@@mallyosih7455 Lets hope that James Gunn takes his obscure d list character inspiration somewhere great. A lot of his work flowed downstream into the comics
@faith4657
5 ай бұрын
My friend you nailed it on the head. I think it's high time we let this guys grow and give way to new heroes otherwise we might never make it to the 31 century. It's also good to change to the structure of the comics.
@LarryBonson
5 ай бұрын
I always said Marvel should have focused on further development of Punisher character moving away from laser powers and going for more ground, realism visceral combat.
@TakarieZan
5 ай бұрын
I just want to say that I seriously like these dives by Benny. I been following his other channel BennyHasAProblem, and listening to him speak now is just entertaining and thought provoking. I don't agree with everything he says, but he always comes at it in a fun and respectful way (he does poke fun sometimes). I won't watch it all the time, or the entire thing because I don't have tie, but I do really like it.
@senor834
5 ай бұрын
It's good to see Manhwa (Korea comics) getting more popular in recent years
@lukes401k
5 ай бұрын
Ik! Solo leveling, omniscient reader viewpoint, and The world after the fall, there all great
@lssjgaming1599
5 ай бұрын
I always appreciate when art from more countries gets noticed
@gabrijelaziza9768
5 ай бұрын
@@lukes401k hero killer is also a gem
@DeadlyAlpha
5 ай бұрын
@@gabrijelaziza9768that's on webtoon, right?
@lukes401k
5 ай бұрын
@@gabrijelaziza9768 ooh, thanks for the recommendation! I’ll read it once I get out of the gym
@BlueBeetle1939
5 ай бұрын
Manga is just comic books from somewhere else. This is like saying "films are beating movies!" all outraged total nonsense
@Nikku4211
Ай бұрын
I get your point but the cultural differences are still night and day.
@SageO6PathzGON
3 ай бұрын
Rip man. Cant believe this is real. Holy fucking shit
@Prodighee
5 ай бұрын
Manga has anime to promote it yes. And Marvel has a whole cinematic universe.
@comicstorian
5 ай бұрын
The MCU has no direct stories from the comics. You watch spider-man and want to start spider-man you are told to start in 20 different locations, none of those is the storyline in the movie
@Prodighee
5 ай бұрын
@@comicstorian that sadly, is directly the fault of Marvel then for not properly adapting storylines to the screen or at the very least expanding upon them in book form, cause they definitely have the resources to do it but lack the leadership to pull it off. Hopefully James Gunn can do that with DC 🤷♂️
@Meelmox
5 ай бұрын
@Prodighee at certain points of the mcu they couldn't as they didn't have the movie rights for certain characters. Also at times seeing a whole every covered one for one in some media doesn't do as well as people think.
@fralambert8377
5 ай бұрын
@@comicstorian They are even not really good to indicate which story line they took from. A little better with X-Men'97, but not so. Maybe a little off subject, but, when the French adapt a Asterix, I generally know which albums they took their inspiration from. So I can read it before or after seeing the movie.
@karimdavis7065
5 ай бұрын
He IS doing it with DC
@gameinsane4718
5 ай бұрын
I think one of the issues I’ve seen, but rarely seen discussed, is a sort of cultural-exhaustion with characters who’ve been written and enjoyed for so many decades. There are literal lifetimes of work dedicated to some of these characters. New runs can’t really do anything with them that doesn’t run the risk of simply blurring into the general idea of the character instead of actually being a story that stands by itself, or risk being a drastic departure that the majority of fans will tend to reject bc it goes against the idea of the character (and often leads to future runs having to to do damage control or stories being canceled). Basically, there’s only so much Batman we can have, before any more Batman is just “oh, more Batman” or “that’s not Batman”
@theblackgeno1848
5 ай бұрын
the one thing American comics need to do take away more then anything is they need to stop letting people fail up , alot of these writers suck but no one will tell them so they keep writing shit that's not working and because these companies are to scared to say this isn't working because they hired these people for there identity and not there skill and know they'll get backlash. They need to be like the manga companies give hard fail states and if you fail you fail no relaunch two months later no canceling some twice and then lying about how good it was they need to grow a pair balls or ovaries don't and start telling these people this isn't working so we aren't going to make it anymore and your going to move on to something else and if this happens again your we're gonna have to let you go.
@zacharybosley1935
5 ай бұрын
9:22 is fucking painful dawg. I can't imagine arguing with people who don't believe in facts & data
@viviotheshadowmage5713
5 ай бұрын
I think another issue with comics is the price and storage of floppies. Manga volumes and graphic novels you can just put on a bookshelf. But with floppies, you also have to buy sleeves, cardboard backing, and boxes if you intend to keep your comics in good condition. And that not only adds cost on top of the $5 comic, it’s also cumbersome.
@lukaszrower7612
5 ай бұрын
Why comics are failing... The creators and publishers' management cannot admit one thing... It's time for the heroes to end. And create something new. New heroes, new worlds. And they must have a beginning and an end.
@Seal-uzi33
5 ай бұрын
I would love a batman manga where it goes from young Bruce, to Early-Late batman and into batman beyond. 1 story, 1 timeline, constantly aging and changing, with an actual end
@34Nor
5 ай бұрын
I think you hit all of the major points. Manga has better marketing, better ease-of-access, better point of sale locations, better tie-in promotion with TV shows, better distribution, and better pricing than American comics; even comics that can have definitive endings. This does not mean one “outsells” the other in every category, or that one is better than another. It’s all just comics at the end of the day. But DC, Marvel, and all American comic book companies can and should seriously learn from manga’s success, and implement these sales related strategies to do better.
@jayjohnson7646
5 ай бұрын
I agree mostly. But usually those ones from DC have been outselling mangas. And generally do better in the American market. Manga live actions haven’t stuck with American audiences. Manga is competing against time really. Batman 80 years, Superman even older. Wonder Woman 70, Aquaman,etc. didn’t even throw in transformers. Let’s be real both manga and comics biggest titles benefit from reoccurring stories. So does the fans. Why? Cooperation make money continually. We get our favorite heroes one more time. That’s the truth
@TienNguyen-ky4dx
2 ай бұрын
And stop with all these superheroes bull crap. Write something else. Sandman is the best example
@umitencho
5 ай бұрын
Manga's focus on one story and see it to the end. I don't have to worry about 100's of Manga runs featuring goku in different timelines and shit. This means that each Manga author has to make something work without cruching on a past IP unless contracted to do so like with Dragon Ball Super or the various pokemon comics. It also means I get a lot more variety when it come time to pick something up & the number & title ordering is simple as mixing up storyline by accident is near impossible. When I start a new Manga I know I am getting a different story set in a different world set with new characters. They rise & fall on their own merits. American comics rely on the same rotation of characters. The last American comic series I bought that wasn't independent is Invincible.
@yarc9
5 ай бұрын
Dragon ball super sucks
@umitencho
5 ай бұрын
@@yarc9 and? Not my point
@TienNguyen-ky4dx
2 ай бұрын
@@yarc9yea. Thats why comics suck
@tamaskalem1492
5 ай бұрын
How's the sales for comics that either received an animated adaptation or works as a spin off or continuation to an animated show? Do they get a decent burst in sales when that occurs?
@comicstorian
5 ай бұрын
They never do it, thats the issue. We have no solid examples
@dushaunlewis7574
5 ай бұрын
@@comicstorian I'm pretty sure Invincible got a huge burst in sales after season 1 concluded. Some reports stated that Invincible sold around 400,000 copies in 2021. But that's really the only example I can think of
@masenguerra7835
5 ай бұрын
I picked up the DC connect this month and there’s going to be a my adventures with Superman comic book. Same art style as the show and same head writer. So there’s some synergy there.
@MisterFister612
5 ай бұрын
i think The main reason Why Manga is Doing Better is because it has a Linear Storylines. There is a Beginning, Middle, and End. We like to call these things Arcs. and throughout all these arcs people are introduced to a main Plot, Themes, and Constancy Witch American Comics Lack. AMerican comic Storylines are much shorter then most. and then there is the fact that Manga is written by One Person mostly. and with that we see a vision of one Persons world which Most Comics also Lack. Their are a few exceptions to that. the biggest being Invincible. and you know what invincible and Manga have in common? They have an ending. a series without an ending give people no motivation to keep up with or invest in. and thats the issue with American comics. Most of them will keep going and going until all the creativity runs dry. So thats a huge reason why Manga is beating American comics
@Lawrencechaziya65
5 ай бұрын
True
@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850
Ай бұрын
@@Lawrencechaziya65 it isn’t. That’s just marvel and dc. Just look at Scott pilgrim and wings of fire
@trehubb6144
5 ай бұрын
Having read both Manga & Comics for 10+yrs I definitely can say manga been winning 😅. Like the highest grossing comics (not overall franchise sales just yearly) never even touched the top 25 & possibly top 50 manga sales if I remember right 😂. I love both but I feel this argument has to end , both can be great and offer good stories
@-Verycardhock
5 ай бұрын
Oh and you're wrong. Demon slayer in 2020 sold more as a single series than every single western comic book combined. Image, dc, marvel, Indy all combined sold less than just demon slayer. Benny is literally intentionally misleading you. The stats were of demon slayer THAT YEAR not as a franchise. Lol
@hazardEXE27
4 ай бұрын
yes in total demon slayer manga sold more than 150 million copies...
@619great
5 ай бұрын
The problem with Marvel and DC comics is because it’s too hard to understand wtf is going on. You have to read 10 different comics just to understand the plot and what’s going on to your favorite character.
@yarc9
5 ай бұрын
You can do that about about manga too
@faith4657
5 ай бұрын
@@yarc9no you really don't, unless you pick up a manga later on in the series you really don't need to do that start from ch 1 and read.
@jfoster8624
5 ай бұрын
@@faith4657exactly lol mangas don't share continuity so it's way easier to pick up and read
@yarc9
5 ай бұрын
@@faith4657 dragon ball super sucks
@faith4657
5 ай бұрын
@yarc9 your opinion, not fact.
@hazardEXE27
4 ай бұрын
☆One Piece Manga (start in 1997) is the 2nd highest selling comics of all time with more than 523 + million copies sold.(only behind superman comic sale) ☆Demon slayer Manga from 2016 sold more than 150 million manga copies which is the highest sold comicbook from 2016..... Around if we collect number 10 top manga sales then it will more than a billion sales... (duration is just 20 yrs) Accept that fact that western comic are totally dead ...
@erramimedali1909
5 ай бұрын
It was only a matter of time.
@natagu5794
5 ай бұрын
You didn't watch the video, did you?
@everettjohnson9374
5 ай бұрын
@natagu5794 lol of course not! That would involve actually WANTING to be educated on the subject
@erramimedali1909
5 ай бұрын
@natagu5794 nope i just said that as a joke and left
@erramimedali1909
5 ай бұрын
@everettjohnson9374 damn man u sound like some instagram karen u taking everything too seriously chill
@KamiAnimeS1
5 ай бұрын
Here’s my thing with Monga that I want with US comic books. Have one writer stop switching writers over and over again. Because you have a lot of inconsistencies and I don’t like that.
@dushaunlewis7574
5 ай бұрын
Indie books do that though. It's one writer from beginning to end. DC/Marvel books work differently, each writer has their own "run" on the character. And these runs have their own conclusions. As for the inconsistencies, yeah starts getting annoying after reading several runs for a specific character.
@KamiAnimeS1
5 ай бұрын
@@dushaunlewis7574 I don’t like that just have one guy do one run. and do this succession thing and then have a guy do that characters run! Just the characters I can’t live forever
@HerrFenrisWolf
5 ай бұрын
I am German, my favourit Comic Book store at the city (one of two which is many for a German city thats not Berlin) says: "Yeah, Manga brings in the money that keeps us in the green zone. US comics dropped hard, since Marvel movie fatigue hit in" Manga is like 1/4 of their shop space. Everything else is US-Comics (translated into German, so you get DC/Marvel from the same publisher and the rest from some smaller publishers), European Comics (French, Belgian, Spanish, German). Since the pandemic, there are no efficent ways to get US Comics in Original anymore, cause so much distribution died in the US. The people here seem to by mostly tradepaperback issues, cause single issues besides working horses like Batman won't get translated. I think for the US point of view Comicstorian might be on point, overseas are entirely other discussions.
@daisakura
5 ай бұрын
I love these conversations. Try not to rush these things.
@sbatou87
5 ай бұрын
The thing with manga is that there's usually one single storyline with little to no tie-ins, nor crossovers. You don't have to read another volume, or chapter from another series to get the full picture.
@thelancasterkidd4240
5 ай бұрын
Here’s another thing that manga has that comics don’t. It knows what its audience wants. Comics are out of touch. The writers are always in a dick measuring contest on who can out do the last guy and change continuity just because they didn’t like how the last person did it, and they keep characters in a constant loop where you think they’ll grow and change only for the “status quo” retcon it and they’re back at square one. Manga does great/better in sales not because of “oh it’s because of the volumes. Oh manga has anime to promote it!” (which isn’t the case because there’s some manga that never get anime adaptations that still sell amazing compared to comics. Hunters guild red hood is a good example of that) but because the creators respect their audience and their craft. Then again it’s due to manga having creators create their own lore, story, and characters where comics is full of people who don’t love the characters, see it as a way to get into the industry, and are hoping to get that Netflix deal. Of course not all people are like that in the industry. Donnie Cates venom I live because he is a genuine fan of the character unlike the current people destroying spiderman to the point the ultimate universe spiderman with its monthly release per issue is doing great and outselling the main universe series. The issue with comics isn’t “wokeism” it’s people who try to act woke but come off as condescending, out of touch, and are fake.
@SilverSaw988
3 ай бұрын
The manga community ABSOLUTELY consume chapter by chapter. The shounen jump app is huge and the online weekly discussion is even bigger. Leaks for chapters regularaly trend. People just like the manga stories enough to ALSO buy physically. It’s what I do too
@thriina._.7000
5 ай бұрын
so what ur saying is not only are comics not advertising properly, they also don't order it properly making it confusing to buy?
@GaChuck0
5 ай бұрын
Exactly
@cynicalthoughts
5 ай бұрын
Im 1000% with you about your Alex Ross point, amazing piece of art but it doesn't work with the comic itself, maybe it would work with another comic genre, with grounded clothes.
@UltimateSpider1385
5 ай бұрын
So far, the best Marvel Comics that are getting attention from comic fans are Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate Black Panther, and Miles Morales Spider-Man, because Zeb Wells's Amazing Spider-Man is flopping down hard. Overall, I understand why Manga is continuing to RKO Comic books out of nowhere in the sales because comic writers forget to do one thing: ignore the agenda, and focus on the character development and the story itself. Which is exactly why current comic runs in both Marvel and DC(Superman: Jon Kent, Zeb Wells's Amazing Spider-Man) are terrible because of bad story telling, bad plots, and bad elements. I agree with you, benny.
@revolutionarydragon1123
5 ай бұрын
Jon kent comic finished almost a year ago
@kiryuunaga1olivians100
4 ай бұрын
Whether you admit it or not one of the advantages of manga is that manga is more diverse, most comics contain horror, superhero and comedy stories while manga you can get a variety of genres, if you like food there are manga about cooking such as shokugeki no Soma or cooking master boy, You are an NBA fan there is a slam dunk, kuroko no basket, like detective stories there is detective conan or kindaichi, like adventure there is hunter x hunter, one piece or if you like superheroes there is my hero or one punch man
@ItsOver9000Productions
5 ай бұрын
Reading what intrests you in comics vs trying to read every story you think matters to a character is so freeing. i can read she hulk and Ms. marvel randomly bc they're fun and entertaining and then i follow Daredevil because its great and im invested in where it goes. the moment i lose interest i move on and that's that. people keep talking about being confused and overwhelmed and that perplexes me. just pick up and read issue one of a character you like and you'll naturally follow from there. you don't have to start at 1939 for Batman. i don't read manga anymore so i can't comment there and while i do agree and wish it was as simple as manga, i think people are underestimating how quickly they'll pick up in this stuff for comics. just read what intrests you, continuity be damned
@vincentflannigan2727
5 ай бұрын
Yo benny is in love with the silly lil elf grandma too? Frieren really is the goat
@warrenweaver6664
5 ай бұрын
Prices and just being in stock from my local Books a Million within the last I’d say 6 years or so graphic novels have shrunk from two long book shelves aisles I mean long to to one miniature shelf with manga literally taking like three long isle shelves so I see what people mean by manga out selling cause literally graphic novels are barley a thing from where I shop at.
@kingshadow8782
5 ай бұрын
Happy Friday!
@MavenFlockofRaven
5 ай бұрын
Comics is thriving in movies (MCU, Spider-verse) and series (X-men 97, Invincible, The Boys etc..)
@HighLordoftheBathroom
5 ай бұрын
The MCU isn't thriving😂
@MavenFlockofRaven
5 ай бұрын
@@HighLordoftheBathroom Endgame is the biggest box office money
@HighLordoftheBathroom
5 ай бұрын
@@MavenFlockofRaven Key word; _isn't_ . Present tense. Sure the MCU was massively successful back in the day, but it's beyond its prime. Just look at the reviews and box office numbers.
@asuraofwrath
3 ай бұрын
@@MavenFlockofRaven and endgame came out in 2019 it doesn't matter if it made the most money ever out of any movie that doesn't mean comics are thriving anymore the movies are consistantly bleeding money and the shows range from good ok and terrible depending on the show so they arent exactly thriving in the movie/tv space either
@OyinbobolaFaboyode
5 ай бұрын
Nah manga is better
@umbrellacorp.
5 ай бұрын
Manga and Anime is not Woke. Just look at Baki. Ofcourse Manga is Wining. 😎👍💯
@guywholikesheelies3231
5 ай бұрын
My guy you don't know do you? Lol
@umbrellacorp.
5 ай бұрын
@guywholikesheelies3231 Nope I've been outta it for years now. I'm married for 18yrs now. My wife and kids keep me busy at home and work is another story. When I do have time I watch Anime Fans Tube or a movie.
@guywholikesheelies3231
5 ай бұрын
@@umbrellacorp. So you watch and read all the young gay boy manga and anime? What about all of the slice of life stuff? Some manga do really well and those tend to be the ones that blow up in the US but how many truly fail. If I throw 1000 balls at a target and only 2 hit am I a good pitcher? Japan is by US standards left leaning culturally. You've had cross dressing trans people since the 90's and early 2000's and that's just what I know so there is probably tons that I don't know of. But if Marvel does it would you get mad? Just because what you watch isn't woke it doesn't mean the art as a whole wouldn't be. If anything comic creators wanted to be more like manga and messed up comics. Superheroes being more slice of life oriented and not as much about being a superhero. You're just blind to it because you've been eating the "Anime and manga is better than Western media" tree for so long you're ignoring everything you specifically don't like or haven't read.
@umbrellacorp.
5 ай бұрын
@guywholikesheelies3231 I don't care anymore about Anime or cartoons or comics. I have something to live for now. Maybe when you find something to live for you will know what I mean.
@umbrellacorp.
5 ай бұрын
@guywholikesheelies3231 Plus I didn't read all that shit you wrote. I Really have no idea what you're talking about. 🥱
@AncestorEmpire1
5 ай бұрын
It’s been official for a long time. And the comics community did it to themselves after the Avengers first opened at the box office. Blindly consuming all product is why we’re in the current mess.
@faith4657
5 ай бұрын
It would be so cool if they adapted these comics into animation. It would really help them attract new people.
@karimdavis7065
5 ай бұрын
It's called DC Animation
@eatit8262
5 ай бұрын
So many comments posted before the run time of the video vs it's release time could have possibly allowed them to have watched the video... The funniest ones are the "woke agenda" ones. Like, not watching the video then assuming the problem is someone pushing an agenda without bothering to consider any real thoughts on the matter is basically waving around a giant flag with "Projection" on it.
@comicstorian
5 ай бұрын
Yep, I come check the comments after the run time of the video is done and see the fresh comments lol
@Nytellem
5 ай бұрын
You cannot ignore or act as if women agenda does not play a heavy part in the downfall of the west.
@mr.goblin6039
5 ай бұрын
I will never understand the people complaining about “wokeness” and then saying that manga, an entire medium that’s tackled “wokeness” more publicly than superhero comics, is doing better because it doesn’t have any of that. It’s hilarious and sad to see.
@OmniDan26
5 ай бұрын
@@mr.goblin6039 good little slave
@waifubreaks1572
5 ай бұрын
Change the word "woke" to "moral and political lecturing" and it makes more sense. Modern American comics have weird political shit in them, manga doesn't. Guess which one sells more.
@mr.otakubaka4169
5 ай бұрын
Ppl forget that western comics are very Event heavy whereas Manga are more singular and cohesive. The characters in Manga are more than often in their own individual universes or timelines etc. whereas western comics have share a handful of universes. If each western comic had a cohesive story from their very Inception with no retcon, reboots etc. The number would be more similar, but like there's 25 different batman origins, 50 of his stories that may loosely be connected at best but usually only have 3 to 4 issues that connect so, divide if you want to do the math(I dont). And thats just Batman, this is for pretty all western comics. I love both and I'm drawn to the Manga medium waaay more but I dislike when ppl only think about the numbers and leave out the context of how they're made differently, sold differently, have different focuses when it comes to story, characters, settings, lore, production, etc. how each culture has different emotions towards each medium and how they will buy to support or thru their actual passion etc. Can't leave out the nuances with each but def a good talking point for discussions
@BlueBeetle1939
5 ай бұрын
If anything the issue is about the price point per amount of comic sold. Japanese comics usually sell by the volume rather than a couple chapters at a time for relatively the same prices
@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr
Ай бұрын
Doesn’t manga also get consumed in Japan like that? Through the magazines they are published in? We just read in volumes and tankobons in America because we’re not typically reading from the magazine, but instead after the manga has been published again into volumes so we can read more at one time. Also, because before we had access to the magazine in America we had to wait for the manga to come overseas in volumes. Isn’t what you describe with American comics being sold chapters at a time just Americans having access to comics in the same way Japanese readers in Japan have access to manga magazines?
@greyworld6242
5 ай бұрын
Benny can you do a problem with poison ivy video?
@derrickjohnson4952
5 ай бұрын
Manga is just simply growing, comics are still alive & well.
@jakeilano6821
5 ай бұрын
0:49 I just saw his other channel and I didn't need to watch the videos to know what the videos were about.
@comicstorian
5 ай бұрын
Huh?
@Theonetruewonderfly
5 ай бұрын
Another thing to consider: How many DC/Marvel readers that used to buy weekly comics have (like myself) switched over to "Marvel Unlimited" and "DC Infinite"? Yeah, I don't get the latest issue on day one, but I can read the entire library of Marvel and DC history if I want, and I get new comics either 3 months (for Marvel) or 6 months (for DC) after they're published.
@playerx5053
5 ай бұрын
I agree on your opinion and they should definitely find a way to better organize comic books. I think they should have the year volume or chapter number on the comics to make it easier to track the universe story or individual story to make it easier to follow.
@xposhboyx
3 ай бұрын
I think the people who read both (like me) are underrepresented in the dialogue. Seems like people want there to be a war between these groups. Just why.
@DC-rb3uz
3 ай бұрын
Comic fans have huge ego issue.
@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr
Ай бұрын
@@DC-rb3uzIt would seem they also refuse to admit the reality of sales as well. I’m surprised. I didn’t know that was a thing. I would’ve thought fans would continue to enjoy American comics, but wouldn’t deny reality.
@KillaD69
5 ай бұрын
While I'm not a fan of a particular Manga, I do appreciate the fact that they're written and drawn by a single person and there's not a bazillion Multiverses and tie in comics pushed by corpo executives.
@theforkedman3030
5 ай бұрын
I'd like to see some indie comics on steam. If they get on steam I'd love to see people dub them.
@dayayelluripati6091
5 ай бұрын
if you think comic books are just marvel and dc then yes but in my opinion the indie comics solo creators and ofc titles from darkhorse and image and other such comic book studios there is hope so try not to limit yourself. the reason why mange excels is because there is a manga for everyone this creates an plethura of titles. I hope western comics learns from eastern comics and branch out tell stories that is not only just super heroes.
@christopherbennett5858
5 ай бұрын
Probably doesn’t help that a lot of people, when discussing Manga don’t really focus on your Shoujo’s, your slice of life’s or your horror stories. Frankly, discussion seems to be more dominated by the shounen side which is still action oriented.
@DC-rb3uz
3 ай бұрын
Aren't we forgetting Demon Slayer manga outsells entire comics. Manga already beaten comics long time ago.
@lukes401k
5 ай бұрын
The comics that have been pushing inclusiveness (mainly featuring trans characters and lesbian characters) are not doing well because of the terrible stories. Some of my favorite manga characters happen to be trans (toga from fire punch and Cordelia from Vinland saga), and that’s because they are actually well written. Not knocking the entire Comic industry, just those who want to force agendas down our throats.
@aarojpoll
5 ай бұрын
Please there's so much gay and pedo anime out there that that's just a lie
@WeaponOfMyDestructio
5 ай бұрын
Well said manga has covered nearly everything and have genres dedicated to it since the 70s
@Theonetruewonderfly
5 ай бұрын
The problem with superhero comics from Marvel and DC is that it's hard to know where to start. They do "soft reboots" (or sometimes hard reboots) every few years. Also, the titles crossover with one another. They need to do "Vol 1", Vol 2, Vol 3" for each era, and spell it out. Something like "If you want to read "New 52" era Batman, here's Vol. 1, 2, 3 and 4", or if you'd rather start with "Rebirth era", here's Vol. 1, 2, 3 and 4, etc" And maybe in the collections, have a note put in right before a crossover issue saying "Superman is in the next issue, but for context on what's going on in his life, we advise you to read Superman Vol 1 and 2" (or something like that).
@silversaiyan3783
5 ай бұрын
Hell, comics having manga art styles is probably because the new artists are fans of manga and anime and grow up with them.
@mdrglxix3699
5 ай бұрын
Well, I didn't even know there was a competition, because manga is just comics in Japanese 😉
@notsofatpeiceofsht8535
5 ай бұрын
It’s hard for me to get into the local comic store, they’re a small business with weird hours and that’s the only place I can get a series of comics. But manga your right on. Super simple to track and easy to buy. Most my comics I get in the bundle packs now from Walmart
@HighLordoftheBathroom
5 ай бұрын
This is why I'd much rather prefer linear stories like Invincible or Nocterra. They're small contained stories written by their original creator and know exactly what they want to do without being riddled by elseworlds stories and continuity issues.
@nothingtolookat276
4 ай бұрын
I like your research. Keep up your good work.
@hiramcaas
5 ай бұрын
Love Comics. But it’s true, manga is better.
@permeus2nd
5 ай бұрын
20:32 sadly I don’t have a local comic book shop because I live in a backwater in the UK 😢not like I’m able to go out anymore but still.
@RevCQ7
5 ай бұрын
This is news to you? Manga has been better than American comics (at least 99% of Marvel and DC) for decades. I can name 10 mangaka alone that can draw every marvel and DC artist under the table, and that's just art. Let alone writing. Manga is winning because it's usually BETTER lol who tf would rather read Amazing Spiderman over Vagabond? Etc. This is coming from someone who reads both comics and manga.
@voidzero7824
5 ай бұрын
I got into comics really because Gwenpool's moe style interested me.
@WellsAtNight
5 ай бұрын
I find it interesting how you tried to debunk 3 of the main reasoning points for why Manga is killing comics, I DO agree in they aren't really that great but I noticed you displayed a 4th reason why comics are failing but only semi-acknowledged it. Western comics are ALOT harder to track than Manga. This suggests a faulty system is in place and is in need of fixing. Beyond that, you mentioned that the highest selling comics were classic titles rather than modern ones. Meaning that comic book readers, even of today, are preferring to read comics from before the 2000s than read comics that came out in 2023-24. This leads some thought into, while Manga may not be actually killing comics, that doesn't necessarily mean the current state of comics are doing great. While comics as a whole is still thriving and adapting, the stuff which Marvel and DC put out do not have the spark of quality that they had 30 years ago, and the recent push for "diversity gimmicks" is not helping in the slightest.
@TheGoldenFighter
5 ай бұрын
I will say, I just started working at a comic store kind of, and all they want is manga and kids books, i.e. Dog Man, so like graphic novels so been like it for a while.
@CapLives
5 ай бұрын
All the DC collected volumes being older stories is interesting. DC does keep their older books in constant circulation, and they market them pretty heavily compared to newer stories.
@tryhardname
5 ай бұрын
Manga has been beating comics for a while now.
@vincentflannigan2727
5 ай бұрын
Had to pause and just say damn that spider punk number really shocked me
@treywickesser5821
5 ай бұрын
I was surprised when going into a comic book shop that selling individual issues is still a thing. its just something I never really thought about. adding into the what are you suppose to start with problem is comics are divided by issues and hardcover/full releases to various degrees. while on the American side we only receive the volumes of manga and chapters online, as far as I'm aware manga still isn't ever sold as individual issues in japan. my understanding is various issues will just be compiled together into something like Shonen jump magazine meaning you would be buy the most recent chapter for multiple ongoing series from a single publisher, which in my opinion sounds far more appealing that buying a single issue.
@KathyXie
5 ай бұрын
I read trade paperbacks because I live in a country with not western comic book store, its a pain, sometimes you have to wait for 6 months to almost a year for it to came out, pay for shipping, wait another 2 weeks, the only other options is to read the single issues digital, which I dislike. Americans comics companies have never cared about outside of the US market, very few comic books get translated outside of handful european languages like spanish or french. Marvel really missed a big opportunity considering how popular the MCU was few years ago.
@hazardEXE27
4 ай бұрын
If manga isn't winning then why latest deadpool comics showing deadpool using aki hayakawa(chainsaw man) move ( kon) and why dc comics has yuji itadori (jujutsu kaisen) cameo .Accept the fact that western comics are doomed.
@camlangley5354
5 ай бұрын
Manga has been better tf hahha
@shintaro797
5 ай бұрын
This could not be anymore true and factual! Every time I go to the Barnes and Nobel near my mall the comic section is always more abandoned than a nuclear power plant after an accident. For context it shares the same section as the manga and light novel and RARLEY do I ever see crowds. The thing about manga is that for me, not only is it easier to read, you don’t have to sort through what series to start with first and it’s more straight forward.
@AnomalyINC
5 ай бұрын
Far as I'm concerned, manga is the same as comics. I don't see any reason to get worked up about which is doing better, since I'm rooting for both.
@davidthenewtheologian7757
3 ай бұрын
Omnibus comics are a great way to get a full story in such as planetary, silver surfer, new 52 Batman, etc.
@ThomasPetermann.
5 ай бұрын
I used to get comics but stopped because of the constant hoping from comic to comic to follow a story. I rather just follow one story and the characters I like, instead of the constant merging and separation of teams and characters all over the place. You can make cool events, but they just happen too often and after so many resets it just here we go again.
@seanmcclune6526
5 ай бұрын
100% agree with the point that the Marvel/DC comics are confusing to read or know what to pick up. Spider-man is a great example of this as well as Batman. IMO, next reboot they do they should redo the entire naming/number convention to make it easier to track what you are looking for.
@boyntonfamilyeb
5 ай бұрын
So after listening to the video, i have to say from a story prospective the problem with comics, is that they don’t end their stories, they redcon their series making changes, or undoing changes made when it fits them. But most manga series are short, they tell their story then they move to another story, thats why the long ones like one piece stand out for being so many volumes, because most of them are short sweet and to the point then their off to an entirely new adventure.
@artfire28
5 ай бұрын
I always go to thr nearest public library just to read manga. I'll just grab any volume one randomly and be whisked away. When it comes to US comics I'm too cautious.
@plaguedoctor6107
5 ай бұрын
Yeah transgender agenda, feminism, etc destroyed comics. Correction comics is dead not dying.
@gHGhej
5 ай бұрын
Is not Batman dealing with Transhumanism now and becoming an AI? Please stfu 🙄
@jordanhall8739
5 ай бұрын
As a kid I went more toward manga because in the bookstore American comics were difficult to follow. Even the comics associated with the shows I watched on tv felt like they were telling side stories unrelated to anything really important. On the other hand the manga section was easier to navigate with more linear stories. The transitions from show to book was also a lot easier.
@sagepirotess6312
5 ай бұрын
Did you really watch frieren, and buy the manga? If so I would watch your mangastorion review of them.
@permeus2nd
5 ай бұрын
17:48 also exactly how meny episode 1 do some comics titles have? If you are new or returning to comics that’s got to be confusing as heck.
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