4:50 Mario escaped from a black hole, The cackleta rays were so fast that it was necessary to stop time to see them.
@BIueXSteel
4 ай бұрын
Sonic thinks he is the fastest thing alive, just wait until Mario puts a slope down and starts backwards long jumping
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
But its a fun non canon bug(i know 64 itself is canon but blj isnt)
@user-tw3jm4sb3y
Ай бұрын
@@alptugraakan7490 Mario:*does a backward long jump( Sonic: M - S P E E D A N D D - S P E E D
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
@@user-tw3jm4sb3y no but seriously blj is so fun to use.If you manage to do it,then u can even speedrun the game.
@user-tw3jm4sb3y
Ай бұрын
@@alptugraakan7490 same for m-speed and d-speed in Sonic unleashed and generations
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
@@user-tw3jm4sb3y by m speed if you mean mach speed,then it isnt a bug its a thing
@Sumeguy257
6 ай бұрын
It ends in a tie, because their game mechanics are practically the same
@TierZEMO
6 ай бұрын
im not a powerscaler but nobody uses game mechanics in a debate
@Sumeguy257
6 ай бұрын
@@TierZEMO I know, but I’m not power scaling i’m just comparing the games to each other
@onlysebknows
5 ай бұрын
a fight is NOT depended on game mechanics it’s the opposite 💀
@PedroH444
5 ай бұрын
Sonic vence, consigo aceitar isso numa boa e não ficar bravo.
@Sumeguy257
5 ай бұрын
@@onlysebknowsdawg💀
@Luisp123-aka-luckbutter21
Жыл бұрын
Finally Someone who understands my BOI Mario
@RetiredMario209
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@YungBloodpullinupatyoservice
Жыл бұрын
Ye fax
@Chill-Noob1
Жыл бұрын
Ikr
@JosiahTheStickGuy
11 ай бұрын
Fr
@Supahorramario
6 ай бұрын
FR
@sleepyfizz
Жыл бұрын
Some dude named Tyrecordslol dropped his own video about this debate and said that the Mario in SM64 isn’t the same Mario in Galaxy, but Sonic is the same Sonic in every game… what? lmao
@user-tv9db8oe6k
Жыл бұрын
Yea, Mario even has memories of 64 in Odyssey so…
@speedosound4262
Жыл бұрын
@fizz77 That is lie, Mario is always the same person in every one of his games, he is only ONE person.
@speedosound4262
Жыл бұрын
Tyrecordslol is not a powerscaler, so getting info from a loser isn't going to help your arguments.
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
THEY DID? WHY ARE PEOPLE BRINGING FAN THEORIES INTO VS DEBATES 😂
@stopcallingmechrispratt
Жыл бұрын
Bro I watched tyrcordslol video And I was about to debunk the hell out of the video in the comment section
@c.j.9536
Жыл бұрын
It’s also worth noting that Mario once destroyed the sun with a turtle shell
@Happysecret180
Жыл бұрын
Smb3 fan
@GoofyFunkMouse
Жыл бұрын
@@Happysecret180 stfu where your dad at?
@stopcallingmechrispratt
Жыл бұрын
Also held the sun in the mangas
@TerryVide0z
Жыл бұрын
It happened like 35 years ago
@ChileanRex
Жыл бұрын
Super Mario Bros 3 is confirmed by Miyamoto to just be a stage play. All of the events of the game were just acting. None of them were real
@Mariofan..
Жыл бұрын
1:37 FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONS THIS GUY
@Sakuyamaid16
7 ай бұрын
Also Yes Super Sonic is meant to enhance Sonic's speed and durability however Super sonic isn't invincible since he can feel pain... He does have a death animation for when he drowns gets crushed etc.
@serpentdog
6 ай бұрын
rainbow star mario can also die to lava, pits, black holes, but yeah super sonic gets boxed if he isn’t being careful
@Sakuyamaid16
6 ай бұрын
@@serpentdog Truth both Mario and Sonic have, Inconsistency with durability I'm not one sided... I'm both Sonic and Mario Fan... Even though I don't like Sonic much as I use to.
@SonicChan654
7 күн бұрын
@@Sakuyamaid16i’m sorry that’s a really dumb ass claim to point out. the only time Super Sonic has ever been damaged canonically was Final Solaris, a 4D being that eats dimensions as he was fighting Shadow, Silver and Sonic alone. and Perfect Dark Gaia who legit shut off the emeralds before he was even in his base form as he woke up. yet Super Sonic still one shot those 2 powerful beings, not only that but if you don’t want to use Solaris or Dark Gaia to believe that Super Sonic is THAT powerful, in the rush series Dr. Eggman and Nega both made two robots that are high universal or more, with the help of Blazing Blaze, destroyed those two robots. what argument your using is a “No Limits Fallacy” and this fight would go to basically an endless tie. Star Mario has never been shown to use that “invincibility” power up against any beings that are high dimensional nor even galaxy level, so no. Super Sonic is strong enough to take Mario on even if he did have a power star. you’re also using gameplay mechanics which do not apply to fighting debates bc literally anyone can just say “this X can beat Y bc of gameplay ☝️🤓” which makes no sense whatsoever
@Dreamydreamerfr
Жыл бұрын
Why do a lot of people down play Mario?
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
Probably because the series is slower paced, happy go lucky and less lore based. Since it's less serious most people probably think it's obvious the super fast spiky super powered anthro is gonna beat the guy who jumps and eats mushrooms 😂 Like surface level, it looks like Sonic would win, but when you REALLY look at the scenarios and compare it's not nearly as one sided
@TWU150SUBS
5 ай бұрын
Yo you're right
@aguy2181
14 күн бұрын
because then he wouldnt need power ups
@aguy2181
14 күн бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon even though he beat perfect chaos in base with the power of the fucking chaos emeralds
@AwesomeMooseSmile
7 ай бұрын
I like to refer to this matchup as diet goku vs diet popeye
@VinnimonCinnimon
7 ай бұрын
LITERALLY THIS 💯💯💯
@vexslade
6 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimonIf a fight broke out between Popeye and Goku, Popeye would actually win believe it or not
@VinnimonCinnimon
6 ай бұрын
@@vexslade No I actually do believe that 🤣🤣
@Lampproductions8943
6 ай бұрын
@@vexsladesame thing here.
@vexslade
6 ай бұрын
@Lampproductions8943 Popeye has the most broken toon force bs that he could be considered outerversal-boundless
@TCBlueFire
Жыл бұрын
You know those meteors that mario ground pound are neutron stars so the feat is even more impressive😊😊
@david_cool427YT
6 күн бұрын
Wait really? Where does it say that?
@nariobrosshow
11 ай бұрын
Mario: didn't i not throw a baseball so hard that it literally broke the baseball speed recorder I'm pretty sure
@DashTheKid02
3 ай бұрын
non cannon feat
@mabfuentes8885
3 ай бұрын
@@DashTheKid02 Game Mario is the same Mario, and Miyamoto himself comfirmed it.
@david_cool427YT
2 ай бұрын
@@mabfuentes8885Fax
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
@@mabfuentes8885author fallacy.
@david_cool427YT
Ай бұрын
@@alptugraakan7490No it ain't the only author fallacy is Sega saying that "eVeRyThInG iS cAnOn".
@gabrielgarcia3524
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know if it counts or not but the game over screen in 3d world shows that Mario getting upset instead of dying. This could mean that bro wasn’t even scratched by anything this whole entire time.
@stopcallingmechrispratt
Жыл бұрын
True
@JosiahTheStickGuy
Жыл бұрын
I kinda get that impression as head-canon for Mario. In the main adventures where his Universe or lives can be at stake, he’s often happy or just determined, but while he’s playing Soccer, he’s super angry, is going all out, and pulls out a random new form or wall jumping on the air so he can score a point 🤷🏿♂️
@nariobrosshow
11 ай бұрын
Yep
@TWU150SUBS
5 ай бұрын
Yo you're right
@RealDodaDoody
14 күн бұрын
If Mario grabs the white tanuki suit. It’s over
@Sumeguy257
6 ай бұрын
Why can’t people just accept that sonic and Mario are friends?😭
@VinnimonCinnimon
6 ай бұрын
Because that's for pussies
@Sumeguy257
6 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon HOW????
@Sumeguy257
6 ай бұрын
Like bro you play sonic and Mario
@VinnimonCinnimon
6 ай бұрын
@@Sumeguy257 that's correct! I do indeed! Literally just played Mario Wonder and Sonic Superstars back to back a half hour ago 😭
@MarioMario_1981
5 ай бұрын
I can
@sleepyfizz
Жыл бұрын
Finally bro, I’ve been waiting for a video like this for AGES! Thanks for making this you’re really underrated.
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
Awwww thanks!!!! YEAH tho Sonic fans ALWAYS be doing Mario dirty when whole time Mario can quite literally keep up with Sonic's "trump card": his speed. Like I'm a huge fan of both so imma keep it real. If Sonic ever gets a feat that would obliterate Mario, I'd be the first to admit Mario's getting his ass beat. I win either way 😂but right now I just don't SEE how anyone impartial actually thinks Sonic would win
@gerragotheallidile
Жыл бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon "Arguing with Sonic fans is like arguing with a wall. The conversation will pretty much go nowhere. They'll either block you, ban you, or worst case scenario, they'll dogpile all over you." Even as a Sonic fan, I can confirm that quote is true.
@FoxMcLox
11 ай бұрын
@@ultimatesora4467 Bruh He Just Admited That He's A Fan Of Both, Will You Pay Attention On Reading Comments?
@FoxMcLox
11 ай бұрын
@@ultimatesora4467 Your Comment Got Hidden, Kid
@nariobrosshow
11 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimonexactly that's what I'm saying I love you bro thank you for telling us we all know this one you're right if we find somebody to finally step up and say it actually I kind of step of the same as well cuz I don't care what people say they can't stop me it's whatever that's what song is pants dubrow they just can't admit when they lose it's like talking to a brick wall bro they can't get it through your head while you the person and they're the wall
@JosiahTheStickGuy
Жыл бұрын
Also, Isn’t weird how when someone makes a video on Sonic beating Mario, the Sonic fans are calling out Mario fans, but if someone were to make a video where Mario beats Sonic, the Sonic fans come in with their 5 paragraph long essays that wank Sonic and Downplay Mario that can be easily debunked?
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
BRO BRO BRO. THIS!!!! LMAOOOOO I swear to god some Sonic fans be giving me their whole autobiographies in the comments like bro I'm at WORK I made this video 30 years ago.
@stopcallingmechrispratt
Жыл бұрын
It’s always the nonhuman fan base that are always toxic Undertale, sonic, fnaf, and anime just in general although there is some cool people out their 85% of the community just send death threats when you pronounce their names wrong
@kkasher5253
Жыл бұрын
To be fair this can be applied to both sides here sonic has been downplayed just as much or even more than Mario just look at death battle 💀
@kkasher5253
Жыл бұрын
@@stopcallingmechrispratt every fanbase is toxic as I do agree that these series that you stated are hella toxic but I think it's even worse when are fanbase think shit on them cus they think they are so much better it makes them look like jerks and I mostly see this from the Mario fanbase where so Mario is at the top of the gaming totem so people think of these other fanbases as irrelevant or shity (I'm not saying all of em are like this just speaking off experience)
@stopcallingmechrispratt
Жыл бұрын
@@kkasher5253 yes I agree I see some mario fans actually being so annoying and childish
@mabfuentes8885
3 ай бұрын
This is literally comparing Usain Bolt against Mike Tyson.
@JosiahTheStickGuy
3 ай бұрын
That’s actually pretty accurate.
@Bepo_is_the_goat_of_goats
Жыл бұрын
9:57 damm the most hard question ever
@OVA_Sonic1996
9 ай бұрын
The only part that matters the most
@dylanwilkinson168
8 ай бұрын
Sonic for sure won that dance battle. His moves even got the trees to boogie to the beat.
@VinnimonCinnimon
8 ай бұрын
Honestly can't even argue with that. Mario is smooth but when it comes to dancing especially sonic wipes every time
@TWU150SUBS
2 ай бұрын
Bruh paper Mario origami king the trees dane wtfyou on
@Doggo-pc1pc
Жыл бұрын
If you don’t think Mario is strong, look at bowser. 12 feet tall fire breathing turtle dragon hybrid with superhuman speed and strength, and still gets his ass whooped by Mario. Says a lot tbh
@ikemike2649
Жыл бұрын
Goofy Bowser is 8 foot tall not 12
@speedosound4262
Жыл бұрын
@@ikemike2649 He is 12 feet tall.
@cryingmetal9349
Жыл бұрын
In comparison to sonic's enemies that example really isn't much. I'm going to use a 23 year old enemy at a big l o w b a l l. Perfect chaos is taller than a 7 story building and 7 story buildings are about 80-120 feet tall. He's at least faster than light because sonic has lightspeed shoes (not counting super sonic) and he's at least planetary due to the chaos emeralds existing being able to split up the earth and him being able to fight super sonic would make him at least near that level. In sonic generations the same perfect chaos gets MANHANDLED by base sonic. Mind you sonic is 3'3 and he just did that in his base form.
@ikemike2649
Жыл бұрын
@@speedosound4262 is 8 ft
@speedosound4262
Жыл бұрын
@@ikemike2649 Proof?
@knox7945
8 ай бұрын
Don't forget that Paper Mario IS Mario. And Paper Mario is OP as hell.
@masedaace5473
8 ай бұрын
Well, I always figured they were different versions. Not only does Paper Jam show that they're different, but even games before it imply that they're different. If 3d Mario was the same as PM, he wouldn't be able to fold up his body like in TTYD and entering the 3rd dimension in Super Paper Mario wouldn't have been a big deal. Besides, he still probably scales physically, and he doesn't need PM feats to win, unlike Sonic needing Archie or Fleetway feats to win.
@MarioMario_1981
7 ай бұрын
@@masedaace5473Nope. An interview with Myamoto confirmed they are one and the same. As well as all other Marios.
@MarioMario_1981
7 ай бұрын
@@masedaace5473There is a debate that Paper Mario in the N64 and GameCube games are Mario, but from Super Paper Mario onwards, Paper Mario is a different character tho...
@masedaace5473
7 ай бұрын
@@MarioMario_1981 well, it doesn't really matter in the end. Regular Mario shows he can scale to PM, so any physical feats can be shared between the two. It only takes away the arsenal unique to PM, which Regular Mario doesn't need to win.
@Bendy_cutout
4 ай бұрын
@@MarioMario_1981 i have a headcanon that the paper mario games are recreated stroy's of mario's adventures
@RyanGentefina
8 ай бұрын
Finally someone who knows Mario in depth and has passed on to us his little known and remembered achievements, thank you for that bro, Mario has almost always been underestimated in terms of power level.
@VinnimonCinnimon
8 ай бұрын
That's because to most people he's just a regular dude. People who actually KNOW the series knows just how batshit these feats get
@zeal9442
7 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon Sonic fans: "NOOOOO!!! SONIC IS TRIPLE INFINITY TIMES STRONGER THAN MARIO OR ANYONE!!!!!! SONIC IS TEH MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IN ALL OF EXISTENCE BCUZ ARCHIE AND THE FACT THAT HE KILLZ GODZ AND BCUZ I SAID SO BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!" **They* *then* *proceed* *to* *write* *an* *entire* *essay* *on* *how* *Sonic* *is* *an* *uber-hax* *outerversal* *omni-dimensional* *omnitemporal* *omnipotent* *omnipresent* *omniscient* *all-powerful* *God* *who* *can* *solo* *all* *of* *existence** Mario fans: "haha chonky Italian plumber go brrr"
@VinnimonCinnimon
7 ай бұрын
@@zeal9442 Like it's not rocket science 🤣🤣 we're just making an observation and stating our opinions. You won't see nearly as many salty Mario fans on a video saying the opposite
@zeal9442
7 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon My sediments exactly. And Sonic fans to this day *still* wonder why they're easily the most infamous and hated fandom on the Internet... 🤣🤣🤣
@zeal9442
7 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon Don't forget about the various clowns (IE: Might of Geburah) who claim that Sonic is "eXtRaVeRsAl" (Which btw, isn't even a *thing* in powerscaling). And when you prove them wrong, they throw the temper tantrum or the century (UltimatSora4467)! It's really no wonder why the Sonic fandom has gotten so many "Worst fandom" awards over the past 30+ years.
@supermonye1
Жыл бұрын
Like, let's not even mention the Multiversal Dreamstone and shit like that.
@hoovy0668
6 ай бұрын
Bro i laughed so hard when you said “And he defeated him by launching planetoids WITH HIS ASS” also you are really underrated bro
@mabfuentes8885
3 ай бұрын
Mario's buttcheeks aren't for show, you know?
@Funwolf47
Жыл бұрын
Bro you gotta box tyrecordslol. Thats gonna be a battle for the ages.
@jasminehermina6691
3 ай бұрын
fr
@Davidsgaming-c2p
Ай бұрын
Bro I'm getting tired of people underestimating Mario
@uslessyoutuber3092
Жыл бұрын
it's also worth noting that if mario were to die heaven and hell would reject him and he would come back to life
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
LMAO true eternal damnation. Just like Tails.
@uslessyoutuber3092
Жыл бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon also mario is one of the seven star children that was stated by kamek could take over their own universe
@TWU150SUBS
5 ай бұрын
Yo you're right
@james9836
26 күн бұрын
Doesn't Sonic have lives too?
@david_cool427YT
16 күн бұрын
@@james9836Nah Mario's lore literally states that he can't die cuz heaven and hell reject his soul.
@Sirknignt1991
Жыл бұрын
I feel like it would be a tie both can win but it depends on the environment I’d say
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
(I lowkey actually agree with this take the most)
@Sirknignt1991
Жыл бұрын
Like for an example if they were in land sonic would because he has more space to mess with Mario with his speed etc and in a water environment Mario would win cuz sonic can’t win so if he gets near the water at all then he might just drown
@Cypherbroski
11 ай бұрын
everyone is biased man chill out@@ultimatesora4467
@DreaguiVII
10 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon just so you know, Sonic is able to travel through time. He can just kill Mario as a baby. Change my mind.
@JosiahTheStickGuy
9 ай бұрын
@@DreaguiVIII dunno if this really changes your mind, but Mario has shown to be able to time travel through his own means (Mario’s Time Machine, the Pipe Man in Yoshi’s island), and was born with his power whilst under Yoshi’s protection. And would Sonic know where Mario as a baby is? He ain’t omniscient, so I’m not sure where he would know to go. And even then he uses Time Warp Plates in most if not all instances he does time travel with his speed.
@teaclough-dx2tr
Жыл бұрын
Finally someone that agrees. The superstar is more like a 20 times multiplier than pure invincibility. But that’s okay given that since he’s already at galaxy level, he’s then at 20 times galaxy level. My boi can’t be stopped
@Sonicshshwwer123
Жыл бұрын
He's more than galaxy level my friend. Mario can be outerversal in his base, due to dimentio and culex.
@egeparlak8004
11 ай бұрын
@@Sonicshshwwer123 Dimentio argument shouldn't be valid They defeated Dimentio with help of Pure Hearts If Count Bleck, O'Chunks, Mimi and Tippi didn't send Pure Hearts, Dimentio would remain invincible Same with Count Bleck battle So it's invalid But Mario still beats Sonic, I cannot change it, neither I wanna
@AnimationDude_
10 ай бұрын
Finally someone who actually understands how "iNvIncIbIlItY" works taking No-Limits-Fallacies into account
@AnimationDude_
10 ай бұрын
@@Sonicshshwwer123Complex multi in base
@user-yb4fh2po5b
9 ай бұрын
If sonic goes super he is gonna beat the star out of mario
@DjDeadpig
3 ай бұрын
I hate how Sonic fans like Zelda fans have a vendetta for Mario scalling yet wank their universes to oblivion. You didn’t even cover the pure hearts and Paper Mario string Theory, or how Superstar Saga confirms the OG Paper Mario Trilogy took place in both the real world and paper world.
@david_cool427YT
16 күн бұрын
FAX!! I know how you feel right there dude.
@_NormalEditor
10 ай бұрын
hyper sonic is a featless fodder. he is overrated af
@MarioMario_1981
7 ай бұрын
Yea they act like he is massively powerful when: A: He appeared in 1 GAME B: He is NON CANON C: He isn't even that much more powerful.
@Phoenix-Neon
26 күн бұрын
@@MarioMario_1981 Fax
@Phoenix-Neon
26 күн бұрын
@@MarioMario_1981 Fax
@JosiahTheStickGuy
10 ай бұрын
Very surprised I haven’t said this before, but thanks for making this. Me and many others appreciate not being the only ones on the Plumbers side (while not meaning to downplay Sonic) How do you think Wonder and Superstars change things up though?
@VinnimonCinnimon
10 ай бұрын
It's all good man!! Cooking up a part 2 right now 😂 I've played Mario Wonder, Sonic Superstars, and all the Frontiers DLC so it's time to update
@JosiahTheStickGuy
10 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimonSounds hype! 👍🏿
@nariobrosshow
9 ай бұрын
When does Superstars where maze 100 percent both games and my boy wonder is a 10 out of 10 game and Sonic Superstars is like a 8.5 out of 10 it was pretty awesome not going to lie both games incredibly fun especially Mario and like there's nothing really bad I could say about that game I'm so grateful I have both
@JosiahTheStickGuy
9 ай бұрын
@@ultimatesora4467Screaming insults? What’re you on about? I dunno what Mario fans have done to you personally to make you hate all of them, but okay. Just know I’ve seen the same stuff you accuse of them on Sonic fans side. I’m not gonna talk about how you’re doing that very similar thing, but whatever. I’m tired of continuing this conversation negatively, so can you please just stop bothering unrelated people who are venting their annoyance about Mario’s disrespect?
@zeal9442
9 ай бұрын
@@JosiahTheStickGuy He's a Sonic Fanboi. Ignore him. His skull is so empty we could be storing entire oceans in there, and they'd be kept refrigerated by his cold dead heart.
@JJedits20
24 күн бұрын
We all know Mario is crying on the floor
@VinnimonCinnimon
24 күн бұрын
@@JJedits20 Mario is crying and pissing his overalls as we speak..
@Cybertechwerewolf
9 ай бұрын
I doth agree, Mario is tanking everything Sonic throws at him
@imspector1506
Жыл бұрын
Sonic maybe powerful but you cannot underestimate our 5 foot plumber
@hewhoasked4176
Жыл бұрын
I thought he was 3ft
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
@@hewhoasked4176 Mario is 5'1 ft Sonic is 3ft
@nariobrosshow
11 ай бұрын
yeah Mario 5'1
@user-yb4fh2po5b
9 ай бұрын
Sonic frontiers literally proves Sonic's potential how is this plumber gonna beat the fastest thing alive Mario fan
@nariobrosshow
9 ай бұрын
@@user-yb4fh2po5b potential but how Sonic on the beat somebody who can react to all of his how's it going to beat something he can't even see because Mario has certain attacks that you literally can't even see from the RPG series Sonic fan funny games that proved Mario's I can't even say proof Mario because Mario doesn't then try so what makes you think he'll try on Sonic seriously think about that for a minute think about it real hard Mario is not tried one Sonic has tried numerous times don't even think about saying Sonic's opponents are harder they're not they kind of are actually but Orioles are basically worse Solaris for example can literally swallow a whole dimension there's people from Mario way more powerful than that and keep in mind Mario beats them in base form while Sonic always uses I just don't understand how Mario doesn't win Sonic fan
@RemoteEditz1
Жыл бұрын
That last part killed me 😂
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
LBS Sonic was off his game in the clip I used. Any other day Sonic CLAPS Mario in a dance battle
@paulgilbert5278
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know, Superstar Saga Mario and Luigi have some mean moves
@VinnimonCinnimon
11 ай бұрын
@@paulgilbert5278 damn good point the way Mario does the shimmy then throws it back goes crazy 😵💫 the way Luigi moves them hips when he fist pumps the air???? Straight menaces
@Mileseditor
9 ай бұрын
Finally someone with good facts as a mario fan I've always like him❤great video
@stupidmarioplushchannel
Жыл бұрын
Best video ever on Mario vs sonic thanks for this research
@stopcallingmechrispratt
Жыл бұрын
Yeah People always underestimate the red Italian plumber
@stupidmarioplushchannel
Жыл бұрын
@@stopcallingmechrispratt indeed
@sans101
11 ай бұрын
@@stopcallingmechrisprattfax
@nariobrosshow
11 ай бұрын
True man who knows about Sonic and Mario power knowing Mario is going to win
@dominator7009
7 ай бұрын
Forgot to mention that mario actually defeated dreamy bowser which scales to multiversal level if not higher and this is even crazier is mario was in his base form in this fight too all he had was a big hammer
@dominator7009
7 ай бұрын
Yet sonic can't even solo his own universe without his super form and sometimes the help of his friends
@Nonpeakanimator212
Ай бұрын
Truth sonic is just hyped@@dominator7009
@duckstudios2949
Жыл бұрын
B-But Archie sonic🤓 Mario base solos
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
RIGHT dude I've gotten so many Archie Sonic comments LMAO
@duckstudios2949
Жыл бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon Sonic Fans should be respectful for mario and goku existence cuz without them sonic wouldn't be here Lol
@paulgilbert5278
Жыл бұрын
True.
@3DoublePoint
Жыл бұрын
100% agree
@cadenjames5639
Жыл бұрын
sure bub
@just_an_internet_explorer8038
9 ай бұрын
The only thing someone could say is that sonic has enough speed to speed blitz Mario and end the right, but in character, sonic would never do that.
@JustCallMeQwerty
9 ай бұрын
Sonic fans; "sOnIc SpEeDbLiTz EvErYoNe"-🤡
@just_an_internet_explorer8038
9 ай бұрын
@@JustCallMeQwerty childish much?
@JustCallMeQwerty
9 ай бұрын
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 Sonic fans in powerscaling are horribly insufferable.
@just_an_internet_explorer8038
9 ай бұрын
@@JustCallMeQwerty Sorry, I misinterpreted your comment. 🤦♀️ I’m doing this no sleep challenge for 4 days with my brother for $100, so I’m a little on edge rn. Yeah, Sonic fans high ball game sonic to insane degrees. They treat the dude like he’s god or something, and ignore the fact that no matter how fast Sonic is, he’ll never, ever, use his full speed right off the bat. Heck, he’ll get taken out of the fight before he even considers it (like what happened when he got clowned on by Infinite). Mario has way too much at his disposal that’d take sonic out before sonic ever decides to give it 100%
@JustCallMeQwerty
9 ай бұрын
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 My sediments exactly.
@akilialvarado
Жыл бұрын
I love mario
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
We all love Mario
@stopcallingmechrispratt
Жыл бұрын
even the galaxy likes mario
@noahalcantar2431
7 ай бұрын
@@stopcallingmechrisprattno GODZILLA IS SUPERIOR TO MARIO!!!!! GODZILLA CAUSES PURE DESTRUCTION WHILE MARIO NINTENDON'T!!!
@stopcallingmechrispratt
7 ай бұрын
@@noahalcantar2431 I mean which Godzilla are we talking? Godzilla in hell? Monster verse? Earth? Composite? And if you don’t know any of these versions of Godzilla you ain’t a true fan
@squidzytispog
Жыл бұрын
alright, i really dont wanna be annoying with this debate cuz honestly it annoys the absolute fuck outta me as of recent, so apologies for being annoying with the comments lol. but tyrecordslol argues that every mario is different, that being 3d games, spin-offs, 2d, and basically saying that the only way mario would come close to beating sonic is using comp mario, basically saying that with every mario being different, that takes away all of marios greatest feats. therefore comp mario cant really be used in a death battle due to it being disingenuous and unfair. what is REALLY annoying is that according to most articles, is that mario's spinoffs dont actually have a confirmed/recognized canon. therefore its debatable if marios legacy content can be canon, all of this can come from his latest response to us mario fans. in all honesty, i think its unfair how us nintendo/mario fans are usually the ones with less subs, and a lower viewcount, while sonic fans get all the glory and are able to shut us up with considerably "better" counterarguements due to how practically outnumbered we are, and to top it off sonic fans are just really toxic and parasitic to those who share different viewpoints. honestly up until now, still no hate and im just trying to bring up some stuff that really can be viewed as just unfair/annoying to this controversial ass debate.
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
Dude no like I second this wholeheartedly. Qnd it's mainly because the Sonic community in general care way more about vs debates than Mario fans. Like they scale Sonic to Goku which is just straight bull LMAO. And I have responses to a lot of the other guy's remarks because I enjoy his content, I REALLY do, but there's a lot of stretches he makes for Sonic which just don't add up, while also not knowing nearly enough about Mario to properly represent him in a VS debate.
@squidzytispog
Жыл бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon see this is why mario fans deserve a chance, like listen. sonic himself is awesome, but he is simply ALWAYS too overhyped and overscaled to the MAXIMUM.
@Funwolf47
Жыл бұрын
Bruh us Sonic fans have been getting dogged on by Sega. Shadow the hedgehog, sonic 06. Lost world, Forces. Let us have this one thing
@squidzytispog
Жыл бұрын
@@Funwolf47 not indirectly saying ALL sonic fans are bad, plus this debate isnt even about the games, its about both of these characters feats, strengths weaknesses, and overall who would win. not whos games are better. plus you still have some gems like mania, gens, adventure 1, and 2, and the classic sonic trilogy.
@Funwolf47
Жыл бұрын
@@squidzytispog And yet those are tainted by our dark period where people thought we had terrible games. We only had a few but we got dunked on. Btw Search sonic on Google and see. Like I saw literal sonic on KZitem. I can't find the channel
@mabfuentes8885
3 ай бұрын
Now we need Luigi vs. Tails debates.
@Phoenix-Neon
26 күн бұрын
Luigi=Outerversal-High Outerversal Tails= Planet Level Luigi slaps so hard🤣
@david_cool427YT
16 күн бұрын
@@Phoenix-NeonFax if you thought that Mario vs Sonic isn't close then, Luigi vs Tails is not even a debate. Luigi solos no diff.
@Phoenix-Neon
15 күн бұрын
@@david_cool427YT Fr
@TonyLawrence-bb3pv
15 күн бұрын
@@david_cool427YT you know the saying, Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing. Bro, pretty much a god.
@ChartZephyr
5 күн бұрын
sonic breakdances like nothing he solos in the dance category
@mabfuentes8885
3 ай бұрын
"B-b-but what about Archie Sonic???!?!?🤓🤓🤓🤡🤡" Look. This is a fight between the game versions only. Plus, if you Sonic fans bring Comics in this, then i'm using manga Mario in this. Manga Mario obviously stomps, since he ALREADY faced people who rewrote and manipulated his universe. Plus, Mario-Kun(yes, that's his actual name) beated Manga Bowser, who quite literally came out of the manga, and destroyed the author, took the author's pen, and proceeded to manipulate Mario-Kun's universe, but Mario-Kun ignored it. And Manga Mario is just comp games Mario, but in manga form.
@chris1229sonic
2 ай бұрын
Archie fan boys gangsta until Mario kun pull up
@TWU150SUBS
2 ай бұрын
Exactly fr I hate it when sonic fans try to use the comics
@mabfuentes8885
2 ай бұрын
@@chris1229sonic Archie's strongest form is Ultra, who is just high multiversal, and that's the strongest form of Sonic. But I'm pretty sure it just takes Base Mario Kun to beat him.
@user-du8zu6pt3m
Ай бұрын
@@mabfuentes8885gag Archie sonic solo
@FluppietheRockruffFan
Ай бұрын
@@mabfuentes8885 Archie Sonic's feats aren't even correct, like fr he has struggled most fights, lost against Mogul, got humiliated by Eggman, and couldn't even undo Sigma's Multiversal mess using Chaos Control alongside a Super Form Megaman whose mega buster has enough power to DESTROY THE PLANET, also his own Chaos Control got distrupted by Eggman's extremely damaged mech shooting a beam. There's even a video that debunks most of Archie's feats, just search up "Archie Sonic is Overrated" and click the top result
@MarioMario_1981
7 ай бұрын
I think that since Wonder, an argument for Mario is even more relevant.
@JosiahTheStickGuy
7 ай бұрын
The Culex battle in the RPG remake is also something that could be advocated for. Nonetheless, you’re definitely right, and Mario’s case is definitely helped thanks to Wonder.
@mabfuentes8885
3 ай бұрын
Ah yes. A fight that's comparing a demi-god plumber with almost limitless power-ups that fights chinese turtle dragon gods against a alien blue hedgehog with super speed and needs to go Super Saiyan to beat tough opponents. Seems totally fair.
@JustCallMeQwerty
2 ай бұрын
A lot of Sonic fans seem to forget that Mario is canonically a demi-god (He's one of the 7 Star Children, meaning that he was basically born gifted). Also, when Mario is facing Gods/God-like opponents, he's in his base form for all of them, and is usually on his own.
@nicolethomas7168
2 ай бұрын
@JustCallMeQwerty but sonic beats God's whats stronger a demi God or a god
@mabfuentes8885
2 ай бұрын
@@nicolethomas7168 Give us proof that he beat God. And like i said, Sonic needs to go super saiyan to beat tough opponents. Mario on the other hand, beated Culex, the Master of Time and Space, and controls time to the very beginning adn the very end, in his base form, and they were traveling across time and space. Sonic also needs help 24/7. Mario usually needs help if he REALLY needs to. That's how strong the enemies are in Mario.
@JustCallMeQwerty
2 ай бұрын
@@mabfuentes8885 Sonic's super form is basically a crutch for him/a sorry excuse to drive the plot these days.
@mabfuentes8885
2 ай бұрын
And i also hate the fact people say that Mario has no personality, and just a walking superman who just solves his problems by walking into them. And Mario ain't no sociopath. Mario is just jolly, upbeat, inspiring, and overall a sprts lover, and does what's the right thing, which is why Luigi looks up to him.
@rorimeclipse8228
Жыл бұрын
1 thing I think is kind of important to bring up that I never see anyone talk about in these videos is that Mario did have the luma with him and was getting power from it the whole time he was in Galaxy and Galaxy 2. I'm not saying that it was making a HUGE difference to his abilities or power in general, but I do think that it could have been helping Mario to do feats such as launching the planetoids with ground pounds and such or protecting him from the giant black hole at the end of the game via just some kind of manipulation over celestial bodies since that's what lumas become. Not trying to take away from the power scaling or anything, but I thought it could be an interesting topic to bring up the fact that he did have a celestial creature able to transform into an entire galaxy with him during that adventure. How much it helped him though is up for debate.
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
Fair point and it's definitely something I considered. In the official guide, it's stated the Luma's main ability is helping Mario survive the harsh conditions of deep space, and his spin attack. In the game, whenever the Luma's powers are activated, like the chain stomp and the spin attack, the Luma leaves Mario's cap to recharge. Anything else, like his regular ground pound, and strength feats stay consistent with things he's pulled off without Luma. From lifting/destroying castles and boulders without breaking a sweat, to consistently being in the center of devastating attacks without being remotely harmed, it's easier to assume that those are his feats separate from Luma's influence.
@supraknightly27
Жыл бұрын
Okay, I’ll have to say no way is Mario beating Archie Sonic.
@imspector1506
Жыл бұрын
@@supraknightly27true but game sonic Mario solos
@FluppietheRockruffFan
11 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon I like to think that Mario inherited these powers from having Master Luma with him for so long, it'd explain why Mario can breath in space, and the other various very harsh conditions in Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury
@johnsampley
10 ай бұрын
Well I'm pretty sure he Bowser took him away from Mario I think idk
@menethemene1555
Жыл бұрын
Finally someone putting respect on my boi Mario’s name
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
Ayyy someone had to do it 😂 I was tired of the slander, man
@YungBloodpullinupatyoservice
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah bro! I mean i love both mario and sonic. But i think Mario is why stronger.
@ikemike2649
Жыл бұрын
@@McSnoopington Stop the cap
@ikemike2649
Жыл бұрын
@@McSnoopington First off we ever see the characters in the Mario Luigi games appear in Mario games exactly so that means they’re in a different universe
@ikemike2649
Жыл бұрын
Wanna go on faster in the speed of light which speed does matter in this fight you can run fast first It’s could run Mario out of his stamina and sonic can easily ran into him a few times until Mario Get to stamina back or sonic Can you just use time break To stop time And beat up Mario leaving him on the floor is it to defeat him Mario can’t jump on cannons you know because He’s not fast enough to react to that Speed he would likely jump over the bullet or the cannon and also the both are going slower so it’s just game mechanics
@thisguyroboty
Жыл бұрын
5:27 speaking of caught off guard, friendly reminder our hedgehog boy got whooped by a Sandwhich two times in a row by a fat man 💀
@OVA_Sonic1996
9 ай бұрын
And was also corrected by the big goofy ahh fat yellow man
@GODLY802
6 ай бұрын
Yeah a doctor that can destroy dimensions
@JosiahTheStickGuy
5 ай бұрын
@@GODLY802 He’s referring to Zomom from Sonic Lost World. Also, Eggman uses his technology and preparation to do that. He can’t really do that directly himself.
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
@@JosiahTheStickGuyso is dr fetus but he scales to multi at worst while eggman doesnt
@ontariom
Жыл бұрын
0:33 Caught in 4K
@CuteRedPanda64
10 ай бұрын
Anyone got any bleach?
@Mariomaster157
Жыл бұрын
I want to add to the Dark Gaia. He also had help in the fight with light Gaia aiding him
@thecircles5867
11 ай бұрын
But sonic did mainly most of the work in base and super 💀
@egeparlak8004
11 ай бұрын
@@thecircles5867 blud forgot that Dark Gaia literally defeated Super Sonic
@A_literal_supernova
10 ай бұрын
Bruh💀 Dark Gaia literally has the power to drain the emeralds
@awesomezebroz_2949
10 ай бұрын
@@egeparlak8004 In the DS super sonic soloed him and the only reason Dark Gaia managed to weaken him is because its power is basically a kryptonite to the chaos emeralds. Sonic has way better feats then defeating a oversized lizard
@AnimationDude_
10 ай бұрын
Dark Gaia has a direct counter to the emeralds, by that logic someone who has kryptonite >>>>>> Superman in their base form just because they used kryptonite once
@cyclone3743
Жыл бұрын
ayy my boy nice ahhh video, I definitely like Sonic 10000X more than Mario but I’m honest to god glad someone finally put some goddamn respect on his name
@gerragotheallidile
11 ай бұрын
Update: Might of Gerubah made a god-awful "debunking" for this. It's just as bad as you think it is! (Go laugh at it and debunk Gerubah's video for me please) 🤣
@VinnimonCinnimon
11 ай бұрын
Dude so I watched his video and I feel like he made a few good points, but yeah no a lot of the points are super reaching and goofy 😭 like Sonic apparently being able to run from dimension to dimension on his speed alone with no other aid, which is just blatantly false. Like if bro was REALLY that fast he'd literally never lose. In EVERY mainline game from 2010 to now Sonic has at least gotten his ass beat or knocked clean out once. Even Zomnom wouldn't had been able to clock bro with that sandwich. He is NOT multidimensional ANYTHING 😭
@A_literal_supernova
10 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimontbf Characters like infinite are faster than Sonic(in the beginning of the game) Also Sega confirmed Zavok is stronger than Super Sonic and if you play Sonic lost world as Super Sonic Zavok is the only one that can’t take damage from touching Super Sonic.
@A_literal_supernova
10 ай бұрын
Pls elaborate instead of saying “It’s bad🤓🤓”
@A_literal_supernova
10 ай бұрын
@sikosonix9013Ong And the vid that geb made was actually good.
@gerragotheallidile
9 ай бұрын
@@A_literal_supernovaNot really. No hate, but Most of Geb's video was him reaching for things that don't even exist. Like saying that Sonic can run from dimension to dimension on his speed alone with no aid??? I'm sorry, but that's simply not even remotely true, because if it was, he wouldn't get beaten by the Titans, Infinite, or Mephiles.
@Spider-Cat8311
7 ай бұрын
You forgot the fact Sonic got pieced up by a sandwich in Lost World
@TWU150SUBS
5 ай бұрын
You mean when big boy hit with that 10 foot sub that was kinda funny tho not gonna lie
@Punkyyyyy
27 күн бұрын
If the same thing happened to Mario, people would defend Mario
@Spider-Cat8311
27 күн бұрын
@@Punkyyyyy Well you see the problem with that is it didn't
@Punkyyyyy
26 күн бұрын
@@Spider-Cat8311 I said if
@SugarRush420
Жыл бұрын
Mario's got even more plot armor than sonic 💀
@Doggo-pc1pc
Жыл бұрын
nah he's just cracked at platforming HE'S A PARKOUR PRO
@gerragotheallidile
Жыл бұрын
Mario has Plot Armor, while Sonic is a Gary-Stu. Basically, pick your poison.
@kkasher5253
Жыл бұрын
Most definitely sonic don't got that shit XD
@noahalcantar2431
7 ай бұрын
@@gerragotheallidileGodzilla is a true Gigachad while Mario is a basic b**ch with plot armor and Sonic is a Gary Stu
@SM2099-
Жыл бұрын
As a sonic fan this video is fax. Imo I think they tie but I can definitely see how Mario wins. Sonic fans are so annoying sometimes “Archie Sonic solos fiction 🤓”
@FoxMcLox
11 ай бұрын
Thanks For Calling Them Smart :)
@DreaguiVII
10 ай бұрын
Yeah thoses people talking about archie Sonic vs Game mario is unfair, archie just claps mario. But if we talk about Game Sonic vs Game Mario he claps Mario too. So its still unfair. Maybe we need some weakass Sonic that's not even able to run so that Mario can actually win?
@Reploid-gt
9 ай бұрын
Mario still solos Archie
@Reploid-gt
9 ай бұрын
@@DreaguiVII I agree with you're statement I'm only 11 and my brain isn't that smart
@DreaguiVII
9 ай бұрын
@@Reploid-gt im sorry i was joking
@nariobrosshow
11 ай бұрын
Oh yeah mario I forgot he even beat srardust
@Happysecret180
Жыл бұрын
As soon as you hear that star theme, you're doomed
@Lampproductions8943
9 ай бұрын
Or you see Mario jump 50 ft in the air
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
Or you hear the sound of chaos emeralds
@aguy2181
14 күн бұрын
what about live and learn
@Happysecret180
14 күн бұрын
@@aguy2181 he won't be around to hear that one
@aguy2181
14 күн бұрын
@@Happysecret180 what
@gravityuser07
2 ай бұрын
one thing you forgot to mention about Mario’s sheer strength is that fact that he was able to LIFT A GOD DAMN CASTLE OFF THE GROUND AND JUST, KICK IT AWAY. A single kick will make a blood splatter of where that hedgehog used to be
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
Mind you that this is the same mario who gets oneshotted by a goomba(if he doesnt have the mushroom and didnt jump on the goomba)
@david_cool427YT
28 күн бұрын
@alptugraakan7490 Mah boi the you realise the same logic can be applied to Sonic right? Like we can just say that Sonic is weak cuz he can die to a toy robot when in reality it's not the case and it's called a gameplay mechanic bruh...
@Fulmimio
Жыл бұрын
Thats what I've been trying to say to sonic fans for years, but they just dont listen. Great video man.
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
We gotta keep em in line man!! LMAO
@Fulmimio
Жыл бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon THATS RIGHT MAN!! Lol
@paulgilbert5278
Жыл бұрын
Exactly the underestimate the heck out of Mario
@gerragotheallidile
Жыл бұрын
@@Fulmimio To quote a wise man: "It's a law of physics that says that you simply can never convince a Sonic fan to deal with reality."
@Fulmimio
Жыл бұрын
@@gerragotheallidile lmao
@RolandWilliams-pd7xz
11 ай бұрын
Thakyou!! Finally, someone says something
@Nonpeakanimator212
Ай бұрын
And wait Isn't Mario created, before Sonic this automatically makes the past feats Mario has for physical strength alone, Mario In Super Mario 64 went through dimensional paintings I think even he defeated Bowser with no power ups in that game If I remember and Strength enemy difference, Sonic's enemy named Dr.Ivo Robotnik, uses Robots to do his bidding unlike Bowser at least Bowser has kooplings as this guy is a king, Dr.eggman's strength isn't high Sonic's enemy literally relies on mechs while Bowser this guy has so much strength and Durability not a Sonic hater though I hate though Sonic fanbase.
@david_cool427YT
16 күн бұрын
Fax dude
@marciasmith9305
10 күн бұрын
Fax , and power stars in the Mario verse scales higher then the chaos emeralds Feats : Mario defeated Bowser under the effects of power stars ( which he created alternative worlds and realms : the paintings in super Mario 64 ) The grand star literally resets and recreated the entire Mario universe in minutes
@NA11081
Жыл бұрын
Bruh, you're so underrated
@RaccoonThunderMario_Official
Жыл бұрын
Honestly tyrecordslol is so biased towards Sonic it’s not even funny. His idea is that every Mario that you play as in each of his games is an entirely different Mario just doesn’t make sense when you consider the amount of callbacks to past games like in Super Mario Sunshine where FLUDD scans Mario and it shows scenes from his previous games. Same with Odyssey when you first capture Bowser and you go through his memories. Not to mention his idea would actually make Mario a lot weaker than he really is.
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
Wait someone THINKS this for real? 😂😂 YEAH like for the most part most of the things that happen in Mario are canon. The only things that are a LITTLE questionable are the Mario Party games and the only one I don't consider the same Mario is Paper Mario. Everything else, sports, platformers, RPGs, all fair game. He just has a lotta experience
@RaccoonThunderMario_Official
Жыл бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon I actually consider the first three Paper Mario games canon as it’s very clear these stories are retelling of adventures that Mario had just in Paper form(especially the first game since that penguin character said he was going to make a book about our adventure titled “Paper Mario” at the end of the game) You can kind of get that idea when you realize that up until Sticker Star no one acknowledged that they were made of paper. Oh and I don’t believe what he said. He really did Mario dirty.
@stopcallingmechrispratt
Жыл бұрын
on GOD one time he said that sonic was stronger than Kirby in which bro don't even start. and called Kirby overrated in power like he's just riding sonic at this point, and he didn't even list Mario feats at all and just lists sonics feats like bro do your research. the whole video is just him kissing sonic and saying that every sonic feat is canon and Lists nothing and tries debunking Mario.
@RaccoonThunderMario_Official
Жыл бұрын
@@stopcallingmechrispratt I know I fully believe that the reason he made that little theory about Mario is because he has no idea just how close this fight actually is. Also, that little bit at the end there about how Super Sonic can make black holes that can just suck Mario in is dumb because Sonic has never shown he is capable of actually doing that. (I’m not saying it’s impossible but I’m willing to believe that if Sonic had actually done this before).
@JosiahTheStickGuy
Жыл бұрын
I agree. He barely even talked about Mario in the video outside of his power-ups, and deliberately made him sound weaker. I’d make a debunk video or short, but I’m not that passionate about a debunk video. (This aged weirdly)
@Sakuyaizayoi1238
9 ай бұрын
mario's faster than sonic LIKE I KEEP SAYING
@xdeadinside9420
Ай бұрын
Erm. Nuh uh.
@david_cool427YT
16 күн бұрын
@@xdeadinside9420He unironically is if you look deeper in his lore.
@captainmario_
9 ай бұрын
Well said! This was great and hilarious
@Davidsgaming-c2p
Ай бұрын
But Sonic wins the dance battle he's got some moves
@MarioMario_1981
7 ай бұрын
Most is filler, the true debate is at 9:50
@speedosound4262
Жыл бұрын
Atleast someone else knows that Mario claps Game Sonic, which while close, I definitely agree.
@beromelad1000
3 ай бұрын
Bro was drinking before making this video
@VinnimonCinnimon
3 ай бұрын
Well no, I just got off work. I WAS drinking before making the video after this one though 😂 not a plug, you don't have to watch it. Just a funny coincidence.
@JustCallMeQwerty
3 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon Mario says: "Remember kids. Please-a drink responsibly!"
@24Kookie
6 ай бұрын
To be honest, I think it will end in a tie (no composites or even with composites I think it was still in the tie)
@CuteRedPanda64
9 ай бұрын
Damn Mario characters got some powerful ass. 😂
@ToucanTheDragon
Жыл бұрын
This is literally amazing. I adore the Mario series and basically stan every Mario character. It’s such a breath of fresh air to actually see someone with a brain talking about who would win. You can really tell that the sonic fans who think that three-foot hedgehog could beat that amazing man have only played one or two Mario games.
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
Awwww man, don't be so modest! But yeah most people get the notion Mario is just bing bing wahoo man who doesn't have a defense without power ups when that couldn't be further from the truth
@zeal9442
Жыл бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon Mario to Sonic: I'm 4 parallel universes ahead of you!
@paulgilbert5278
Жыл бұрын
Sonic fans haven’t heard of Partners in Time’s Mix Flower. Darn screen nuke
@zeal9442
Жыл бұрын
@@paulgilbert5278 Funny Story: My game actually froze once when using the copy flower. Then I realized that I forgot to save. You have no idea how pissed I was at myself...
@Kateri-the-SSJ-Inferno
Жыл бұрын
You are literally the 69420777147473249436573563847567384534658734658376583683658734683465873468374653874653874653874653874653874658734658734658734653874654876534763432927349272626387563876583658365732658658723658763875683658236586583265783265827365873658736587236587365865862387568658236582635326582365782652837658723653287657823658723658236587236587265872365872365823658723658723658236528736528736587236582635872658265832658236582765823658723658236587326523876587365872365876428736587469823798340238409840990808080080427493686285275712324534154315435435124534541534124412523236536532326276328686969696969696969765873465th person to have a pfp on the character who you think would win, you dont get an opinion Nah seriously tho i respect ur opinion but i disagree. This is how this fight actually goes: Strength: Mario AP: Mario Running Speed: Sonic (Duh) Durability: Mario (Durability = AP) Agility: Sonic Reaction Speed: Sonic (Your reaction speed needs to be equal or superior to your running speed so that you don't crash into stuff) Power-ups: Mario (is this even a question?) Skill: Mario (>= [Only reason I say >= is because, like Vinnimon said in this video, Sonic is exceptional in martial arts]) Experience: Mario (Mario is like 30-something whilst Sonic is somewhere between 15 and 19) Combat Speed: Sonic Flexibility: Sonic (Agility = Flexibility) Big: Mario (Mario is 5'1" and 136 lbs while Sonic is only 3'3" and 77 lbs) Winner: Mario (Mid Diff)
@M0B5TERZ
Жыл бұрын
THIS GUY SPITTING THE MOST TRUTHFUL STUFF THAT HUMANITY AS EVER HEARD OF
@SenoRingo
Жыл бұрын
sonic cosmology >>> mario cosmology
@L3GacY3
Жыл бұрын
Ayo lowkey my mind was dug into Sonics balls and this video literally got me out my ass. Mostly..
@imspector1506
11 ай бұрын
@@SenoRingowhat do you scale sonic cosomology
@sans101
11 ай бұрын
@@SenoRingoMarios and sonics cosmology is equal 🤦
@Dreamydreamerfr
10 ай бұрын
@@SenoRingopov 5 year old
@WilliamPoole-pd7rx
3 ай бұрын
Isn't there a wisp that turns Sonic into a lightning bolt? I think there is.
@monke_lord-qq8ws
Жыл бұрын
As someone who likes both series equally and knows what both are capable of, they have both been extremely downplayed in their full potential here, especially sonic
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
As someone who also loves both series equally and owns almost every main entry in each respective franchise, for the most part it was paramount that I left out super intricate details to make a broader point. Even if I added in something like Mario's alleged super nova feat, or scaled Sonic to the power of someone like Solaris, a lot of those points would either be reaching, or doesn't change the main point of the video. The point wasn't to downplay either, or go over every last feat, but to say what I think of the matchup overall.
@ChileanRex
Жыл бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon Why didn't you address the Time Eater and Solaris universal scaling? How would Mario in ANY of his forms even be able to take a hit from Super Sonic? You can't just use invincibility power ups as a no limits fallacy. None of Mario's enemies are universal. The best you could give him is galaxy levek since he defeated Bowser when he has the power of the galaxy reactor
@El_GamerNstuff.
Жыл бұрын
@@ChileanRex but mario's immortal.
@El_GamerNstuff.
Жыл бұрын
@@ChileanRex Also he has a lot more universal villains that just didn't get mentioned
@ChileanRex
Жыл бұрын
@@El_GamerNstuff. No he's not. He is a human with the same lifespan as us
@DxUlt
Жыл бұрын
And some people still think sonic wins in base 💀
@M0B5TERZ
Жыл бұрын
Fr
@Swagohio244
Жыл бұрын
He does wdym?
@DxUlt
Жыл бұрын
@@Swagohio244 ain't no way you think that 💀
@ontariom
Жыл бұрын
@@Swagohio244 Watch the durability part😂
@ontariom
Жыл бұрын
@@M0B5TERZ Ayo it's LobSTER!
@jelenakukic7254
Жыл бұрын
*me knowing how sonic can defeat mario and i know it all but decides to stay quiet because i dont want arguments*
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
*Me being glad you didn't waste your time because no one is gonna read an autobiography in the comment section about blue skunk and fat plumber*
@nariobrosshow
11 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon Me knowing that Mario easily beats Sonic but only argue for temporarily so you can waste your time and later on in life
@nariobrosshow
11 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon nice nice video bro I like it bro I'm telling you in this a lot of stuff you missed for Mario not going to lie bro imagine how kind of glad you didn't mention them because they would have been even more salty but thank you this video was so accurate
@Supreme-Nacho-
10 ай бұрын
@@nariobrosshow Why can no one see the obvious answer on who would win. It’s Sonic. Check my arguments about sonic in the replies and the comments.
@nariobrosshow
10 ай бұрын
@@Supreme-Nacho- dude already saw your arguments and I'm going to correct some of them cuz you're extremely wrong and you cannot say I'm biased because I know about both Mario and Sonic can call me a Mario Fanboy if you want but we know the truth Mario wins and why
@hydrogameinggamer
2 ай бұрын
You're right and very brave for admiting it
@david_cool427YT
16 күн бұрын
Nah fr tho. Most people on the internet are too afraid to make their point cuz of how other's may react, therefore Vinnimon has my respect for being brave like this.
@CaliburnEditz
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion they tie
@CuteRedPanda64
10 ай бұрын
They're buddies anyway so pretty much doesn't matter at this point.
@corrinb8442
Жыл бұрын
-Super Sonic joined the Chat -Metal Mario Joined the Chat -Merely Touches him -Emeralds punched out -Super Sonic lefted the Chat -Hyper Sonic joined the Chat -The Emerald's Aren't Powered up yet -Hyper Sonic can't happen
@KaiTheCrossWieldingDude16
Жыл бұрын
Wrong
@ThePoorDoodle
Жыл бұрын
Mario got power ups so I would be quite if I were you
@KaiTheCrossWieldingDude16
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePoorDoodle most of marios powerups wouldn´t even do anything to sonic
@ThePoorDoodle
Жыл бұрын
So super sonic is able to destroy but hard, while Mario's few are invisible. And you fanbois the same. Mario's fanbois be peace, while yall create hell in the comments
@ThePoorDoodle
Жыл бұрын
There are 2 videos with proof and you got Nothing
@JediDrewsterT
4 ай бұрын
Wait... If Mario Claps Sonic and Sonic Claps Goku... We need to see Mario murder Zen-Oh
@KBM_Sonic
11 ай бұрын
It's time.
@VinnimonCinnimon
11 ай бұрын
TO D-D-D-DU D-D-D-D-DUEL
@Breaddan477
5 ай бұрын
sorry to be that guy but....... what do you mean by Super Sonic is outlasted by invincibility! Sonic also has an invincibility power up ever thought about that?
@VinnimonCinnimon
5 ай бұрын
That's not what I said. Go to your room.
@Breaddan477
5 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon what did you mean then by "all his invincibility are gonna be enough to outlast the super form" ?
@VinnimonCinnimon
2 ай бұрын
@@Breaddan477 edited comment. I win.
@Breaddan477
2 ай бұрын
@@VinnimonCinnimon it was a typo, I had to correctly quote your words, just let it go man it's been 2 months. I'm just saying that sonic doesn't canonically run out of super, just a balancing mechanic in a video game okay lets just leave it at that Edit: I was young, l rather forget about this, still tho I disagree, BUT Mario does win imo, been watching more of your channel, you've earned my respect
@VinnimonCinnimon
2 ай бұрын
@@Breaddan477 oh bro I'm not reading all that lol was just making a joke
@no1sonicfan214
11 ай бұрын
Only just found this video so I’m a bit late lmao but you making alot of good points don’t agree with all of them but just wanted to point out that In base sonic can stop time and Mario gonna die when he gets teleported to the sun
@gulageditz
9 ай бұрын
How??? it's not like he doesn't need a chaos emerald or he could run so fast to slow down that's crazy
@S0NIC91
Жыл бұрын
ok he is actually very VERY strong
@jakehoganOW
Ай бұрын
In terms of speed, Mario is able to move when time is stopped in Super Mario 64. Moving through space in the absence of time means that his speed is immeasurable.
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
Yet he couldnt even catch a turtle
@david_cool427YT
Ай бұрын
@@alptugraakan7490What the hell is your point? Sonic despite being called "the fastest thing alive" has been whooped by things that are slower than him as well. For example he got pieced up by a sandwich twice in Sonic Lost World and he got soloed by Infinite at the start of Sonic forces. Like just admit that both characters have had inconsistencies and leave it at that.
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
@@david_cool427YT he was mocking zomom thats why he couldnt react to it.He was just too cocky to react to it.Plus,that sandwich is longer than my d-
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
@@david_cool427YT also WTH BRO WE MEET AGAIN(nah im not angry)
@alptugraakan7490
Ай бұрын
@@david_cool427YT and infinite,well he illustrated the f**king sun and without his illustrated clones,sonic would start to mop the floor with him.Which he did on their second encounter
@blazeezalb3406
Жыл бұрын
Finally yes I'm in the middle of fighting Some sonic fans😂 Edit: some folded and some kept throwing noncanon thing and ty for 5 likes well like hyper sonic is canon but he cant obtain it
@gerragotheallidile
Жыл бұрын
To quote a wise man: "It's a law of physics that says that you simply can never convince a Sonic fan to deal with reality. " To quote another wise man: Arguing with Sonic fans is like arguing with a wall. The conversation will pretty much go nowhere." Even as a Sonic fan myself, that statement will pretty much ALWAYS reign true.
@blazeezalb3406
Жыл бұрын
@@gerragotheallidile True
@kkasher5253
Жыл бұрын
That's because most sonic fans always say the same stuff they talk about how people are low balling sonic but they low ball hom themselves ofc you'd win and argument against them cus they they they aren't even tipping the iceberg of his actual feats and start naming random bs these are times that I'm disappointed in our community 😔
@blazeezalb3406
Жыл бұрын
@@kkasher5253 lol
@cadenjames5639
Жыл бұрын
@@kkasher5253 sonic whoops Mario
@SlidesHandler13
10 ай бұрын
Even with sonics speed sonic still loses to mario in a eating competition.
@VinnimonCinnimon
10 ай бұрын
No dude full stop 💯 Bro ain't been instantly eating mushrooms half the size of his body for nothing. 35+ years strong 🤣🤣
@Supreme-Nacho-
10 ай бұрын
Ok y’all time to rap this up in legit a 100000000 word essay. I will start with positives: You had some good points and Information. But you used a comp Mario. Not every Mario is the same Mario, for example The Mario from Mario galaxy is not the same Mario from Odyssey. It doesn’t matter that Sonic had to go super on some of his enemies, it’s just t means that Sonic’s enemies are stronger than Mario villains. Now y’all might just think I’m a ranting Sonic fan, but think about it! The theory about Mario being able to somehow predict Sonic’s movements is utterly FALSE. Ever thought Bowser is universal level. Solaris is beyond universal. Solaris is a being so powerful he exist in all timelines. Sonic beat this being who could destroy his universe and timeline by himself. Shadow and Silver did the same thing by Silver beating Solaris in the future, Shadow beating Solaris in the past. Also Sonic can go back into the past JUST BY RUNNING! Don’t believe me? Look for yourself it says so in Sonic Mania. Also Sonic could one shot Mario, I mean let’s be honest here. Sonic can shot Mario because Sonic is faster than the speed of light. It says so in almost every official book on Sonic. Is is also said by the head of the Sonic Team himself. So people think that Mario can stand getting hit by the speed of light and survive? Also since Sonic is faster than light he could create a black hole by running and sucking Mario in or he could do it if one of the wisps. Oh and before y’all say that he swam away from a hole in one of the Mario parties, Why did the Mario in galaxy was not strong enough to swim away? Because their not the same Mario. Meaning almost everyone thinks that every Mario is the same Mario which is false. Also durability goes to Sonic because of his rings, Sonic can not die to anything even if he has just one ring. Also Sonic did swim away from a black in one of his games. So the fight between Mario in Sonic is basically gonna last for legit 10 seconds since Mario wouldn’t be able do do anything, not even grabs power up
@Supreme-Nacho-
10 ай бұрын
You can’t just combined every single Mario and then bring to a death battle. Also Mario’s star power only last for 15 seconds. And Sonic has a power-up that is the exact same as the super star, except his only last for 15 seconds. And Sonic also can stomp Mario in strength. Because Sonic’s strength comes from striking force, you can see that on the argument at the top that Sonic can run faster than light. And the Sonic frontiers buff is not helping Mario at all. And almost every power-up that Mario has p, the boi just needs to be one tapped and it’s gone.
@SlidesHandler13
10 ай бұрын
@@Supreme-Nacho- I was just making a joke
@deroynwaokike4512
8 ай бұрын
@@Supreme-Nacho-Mario strength is striking Force too he picked up the castle and then kicked ,sonic isn't getting up when he gets hit
@lindawilkersonlinder3255
Жыл бұрын
Has anyone taken acount that he’s a Mario fan
@VinnimonCinnimon
Жыл бұрын
Have you taken into account that people can like both? Because Sonic is one of the main things I talk about on the channel, Goofy
@marshadowhero5807
2 ай бұрын
Culex from RPG legit has the same statements as solaris except mario can actually kill him alone without the need of is allies since you can fight him solo. Exists in all past and present timelines, consumes time and space like lunch, and still got annihilated. Btw, the black hole sonic was running from is artificial. Sonic didn't even end up escaping it and got caught in the blast
@david_cool427YT
16 күн бұрын
Fax
@Bepo_is_the_goat_of_goats
Жыл бұрын
bro wake up and spit facts
@masedaace5473
8 ай бұрын
I fully agree with this video. As a fan of both characters, this is 100% accurate.
@KirboPeas
Ай бұрын
In DMS is crazy bruh 😭🙏 (Also there's a sick ass artist that draws mario beating people from games all over, in his base from lmao)
@david_cool427YT
Ай бұрын
What's DMS sorry?
@treysonlawrence8233
Ай бұрын
@@david_cool427YT Like Discord and twitter maybe facebook…
@AntiZoophileOvergunner
15 күн бұрын
@@david_cool427YT direct messages
@yona3271
Жыл бұрын
the fact is boosting only gave us the experience of speed of sound it hadn't been slowed down then we would always die from nothing that's how bad games would be.
@SonZackSSJ2
Жыл бұрын
The Blackhole deaths in Mario Galaxy were Gaming mechanics. If we’re gonna include Hyper Sonic, we gotta include Pure Hearts. Before Sonic fans mention Time Travel, Mario can do the Same thing, if not that than he scales above Bowser who can Time Travel, meaning Mario can react to that Easily, that alone means Mario can keep up with Sonic lmao.
@JosiahTheStickGuy
Жыл бұрын
To add on, Sonic only ever time travels using Chaos emeralds (which he has help with from Silver) and using signs in Sonic CD, and not with his speed. (Otherwise every game would have a gaping plot hole)
@SonZackSSJ2
Жыл бұрын
@@JosiahTheStickGuy exactly, even if Sonic does time travel with his Speed, Mario can react to Bowser who time travels casually without speed and that’s just broken reaction speed there XD
@SonZackSSJ2
Жыл бұрын
@@ultimatesora4467 Says the one who rants about us all the time just because we don’t agree with you.
@SonZackSSJ2
Жыл бұрын
@@ultimatesora4467 What the hell do you mean? That’s all you and I have the evidence to prove it.
@SonZackSSJ2
Жыл бұрын
@@ultimatesora4467 Your just mad they all don’t agree with ya, guess what, the world isn’t the same buddy, it’s just how it is. You act like you Sonic fans are any different from the way we Mario fans love Mario, so Is it a crime to love our childhood?
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