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@CaroleEvans93436
Жыл бұрын
There is no statute of limitations in England & Wales. That's why we've had many children's tv presenters from the 1970's & 1980's (Operation Yew Tree) prosecuted and subsequently jailed
@user-sr1kc6jj2b-p1q
Жыл бұрын
The perspective you're bringing here is deeply Americentric. Rose McGown is assuming that the rules in the USA apply everywhere and they do NOT and there are good reasons for that. Such Americentrism, especially about the legal system is highly offensive. Guarding the women's identities is the law in England and Wales, even if they never go to the police. Brand may well be targetted because he is seen as populist scum but that does not mean he is innocent of the accusations, and not publishing the yeild 4 years of meticulous work because he's a rabble rouser would be just as corrupt as refusing to publish something similar if it were about a conservative politician. And let's be real here, this is what it takes to have a charming, funny white English celebrity investigated by the police in the UK. He would love to think he's on the level of Julian Assange but he absolutely is not. I would also point out that Brand's behaviour at the time was very well known. You can see him on panel shows where he's getting a hostile reception and jokes are made at his expense based on his sexual activity. I know he says he's found redemption but he has made no attempt to make amends to the women he hurt, and has even dismissed the idea because there are just too many of them! What sort of logic is that? What sort of recovering addict dismisses Step 8 of the Twelve Steps? And finally, Brand is an uncontrolled extrovert. Everybody knows everything he's done because he's told us. When he exposed himself to a woman in a radio station's toilets, he then went on air and laughed about it! The only deception was in telling us that he wasn't serious. If you want context for this case, look up Jimmy Saville. That case has had a huge influence on culture, media and the law in the UK. It's also worth noting that the task force for the Saville investigation is now investigating Brand.
@padraiglyons5574
Жыл бұрын
a quick question i hope you can help me with, so if an agreement to wear a condom is between both of them but he takes it off or does not wear one that is considered rape? but if a woman says she is on the pill and is lying is that considered rape? genuine question i am not trying to be smart.
@CaroleEvans93436
Жыл бұрын
@@padraiglyons5574 The definition or meaning of the word 'stealthing' is when someone removes a condom during sex without the other person's consent or lies about having put one on in the first place. Stealthing is rape under English and Welsh law. This means that someone who carries it out can be prosecuted for rape
@padraiglyons5574
Жыл бұрын
thank you i genuinely never heard that law before but its certainly an interesting one. @@CaroleEvans93436
@cookiemonster1409
Жыл бұрын
There is no statute of limitations in the UK, for example, lots of former children's presenters and radio DJs were charged with events from the 70s and 80s The UK also protects victims of crimes with anonymity unless proven to be liars later
@link01uk
Жыл бұрын
But at least one of these allegations was of misconduct in the US. I wonder if Alyte could opine about the outcome of legal action against this tardy complainant in the US?
@VioletDeathRei
Жыл бұрын
The anonymity is an issue because we can't check that they are actually being verified accurately. It makes sense if someone is underage but if they are 30s, 40s, 50s it's a disservice to justice itself.
@user-sr1kc6jj2b-p1q
Жыл бұрын
@@link01uk It's probably past the statute of limitations. She said that she did seriously consider having him charged but, with the discouragement of the police, decided against it. Most do decide against it because it is a retraumatising experience with little hope for a conviction at the end of it.
@tethergobrrr
Жыл бұрын
@@VioletDeathRei The accusers aren’t anonymous to the reporters or their teams of defamation lawyers. There’s no way in hell they should be subjected to Brand’s toxic cult.
@tethergobrrr
Жыл бұрын
@@user-sr1kc6jj2b-p1qUnfortunate that the strongest case (we’ve seen so far) was in the US. It would make sense to me to have an exception for cases where there was a contemporaneous police report.
@bill8791
Жыл бұрын
The UK has no statute of limitations and the victims identity is protected by law, to prevent them being hounded by the press and any potential jury being affected. It's not considered in the public interest for the victims details to be made public unless a court decides otherwise, in the same way names of defendents can have press injunctions preventing them being named.
@VioletDeathRei
Жыл бұрын
It is in the public interest because the court actually severing justice and not political ends is in the public interest. Palarment itself put their finger on the scale here it's already a huge human rights issue if anything turns out to be shady here.
@manderly33
Жыл бұрын
@@VioletDeathRei yeah, the court can serve justice without the victims being hounded and harassed.
@Arphemius
Жыл бұрын
@@manderly33 Okay, then why does the same not go for the accused? That's why it's called justice, because it goes equally for both sides. If one cannot remain anonymous, the other also shouldn't be. That goes doubly so if the only threat the victims face is "being harassed", while there will be no legal ramifications at all for a false accusation.
@bill8791
Жыл бұрын
@@Arphemius thats not how the British system works. If this was two people not in the public eye then both identities would remain confidential. However Brand is a public figure and yes, there are legal rammifications if the accusation is proven to be false. The UK legal system is the home of legal tourism for a reason - because it tends to be pretty good in that respect.
@ufukpolat3480
Жыл бұрын
@@bill8791 what an idiotic assessment. People don't choose a particular legal system to decide on their fate because it's fair, they choose it because they know it's going to lean towards them and the uk is a shithole of legal swamp as it gets so that international corporations in collaboration with corrupt, puppet governments decide that these courts are the arbitrators of for when bad economic deals for nations are eventually struck down by homegrown political forces. That tells me all I need to know about how UK legal system operates.
@kellycasperhanson4426
Жыл бұрын
Remember Matt Lauer? He was with CBS for 20 years. Handsome and likable, he was a very unlikely candidate for a rapist, but he was, in fact, a rapist. He also sexually harassed MULTIPLE women over the course of his career while maintaining his nice guy facade. People can easily compartmentalize their lives. A priest can be kind and helpful during mass while also molesting altar boys in secret. Many rape victims never go to the police. Probably most do not. They stand in their shower and wash & wash & wash & wash and try to forget what just happened to them. I don't really know Russell Brand, but as a victim myself, I don't find it so hard to believe he crossed the line a few times when he was drunk and high as a kite. It's a tragic mess on all sides.
@Tobez
Жыл бұрын
This might be the most balanced take I've yet to see on this topic. Massive respect to you LegalBytes
@selenacaemawr
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. As soon as I saw the title, I just knew - I felt it in my bones - that you'd lend this issue the sensitivity and nuance that it deserves. What a brilliant thinker.
@annakarenina3188
Жыл бұрын
Agreed totally: this topic needs to be seen from all sides, not just instantly jump on all men or all women. (Just as we should have given both Amber and Johnny a fair hearing.) I have to say, of the several women who were not having their words read by actresses, those women were immensely compelling. I fully believed those women who spoke in their own voices. Popcorned Planet and BlackBeltBarrister are also doing balanced takes.... just in case you want more to go watch. I'm hating the knee jerking to one side or another: let's hear the evidence. And honestly, he's self confessed he's had 1000-3000 partners, mostly one night (or one hour) things -- could anyone in that position say, in all honesty, that **all** their partners were enthusiastically consenting? Can anyone in that position honestly say they know for certain? I know of someone who has basically been doing the things Russell is accused of, to hundreds of thousands of women, over a span of 20 years.... these types do exist.... and they can have good politics that many agree with, or be people others find genuinely fun to be around. It doesn't diminish that they have this other side too. People are complex: honestly I don't think the UK state cares about him, they do care about getting rid of abuse in the media right now. ..... for example, we had two presenters sacked yesterday for saying "a man would have to be mentally disturbed to want to sleep with [female politics reporter]"....... ......... that female was then flooded with thousands of men telling her what they would love to do to her sexually, and she is terrified, and been given temporary police protection. ..... One thing I will say, the UK places burden of proof on accusers in defamation trials. If Brand sues the 5 women in the documentary, as well as the several staff members in the documentary who -- in part -- backed up the claims made..... then legally he's in a much stronger position in the UK, and can already show the reputation/financial harms aspect of defamation..... if he doesn't go for defamation in the UK, that actually is as good as saying "yeah this is true". But similarly, the police have to do their thing now, and given so many have come forwards, it may be they have enough to run a trial..... many historical SA cases do come down to he-she said, and that there are multiple disconnected complainants all saying similar things.
@phoenixrising5088
Жыл бұрын
@@annakarenina3188 The 16 yr old Woman who claimed RB had assaulted her in bed said, after telling him to stop, she turned over and went to sleep. You would have expected her , at the very least, to either, slept on the sofa, or got a Taxi Home. The 4 Women who claim these allegations, were besotted with Brand.
@8figuresof8yes45
Жыл бұрын
Completely agree
@Julzableful
Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video so much, and also appreciate Rose McGowan's querying of journalst ethics. I've been finding it hard to understand how we, as a society but also personally, balance listening to these allegations compassionately without passing judgment on the accused. I can't imagine what it would be like to be wrongly accused of something like this, or to be feeling like you were wrong for stepping forward as a victim. And these cases can take months to finalise or sometimes never be decided on so it's hard to know how to act in the meantime.
@Madly98
Жыл бұрын
I think about the same thing, to be the wronged party, falsely accused, in either scenario would be unimaginably painful
@Ketowski
Жыл бұрын
@@SvendBosanvovski Except that people are coming to quick judgment and it’s impacting his income.
@dragonninjaface1812
Жыл бұрын
They didn’t step forward though they were approached by the media as was stated
@FIRING_BLIND
11 ай бұрын
@@Ketowskieh his income was already on the decline tbh. He's become a right leaning conspiracy guy lately. Always talking about this nebulous and malicious "them" and leaning into Anti Semitic rhetoric a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if these companies had been looking at dropping him anyways, and this is just what closed the deal.
@Ketowski
11 ай бұрын
@@FIRING_BLIND You’ve tracked his income?
@etherspin
Жыл бұрын
1. Most in the UK observed him for 15 to 20 years and saw enough to be extremely suspicious of hi. 2. Since his youtube channel launch, just after Marriage to Katy Perry The USA became aware of him and very recently, like since the pandemic, lots of US folks think they know Russell via political commentary and supposed spirituality IMHO the suspicion that someone who literally said 'I raped a girl!' And was always banging on sincerely about his sexual misconduct is more well founded than "this was always gonna happen, he got too close to the truth" conspiracy theories
@Leigh-ry3yb
Жыл бұрын
Lots of celebrity types like RB behave in a far worse way. Ch4 and the Times went looking for "victims" who told their "stories' to the press who pay money rather than the police where a genuine victim would have gone 14 years ago. The timing is clearly a concerted take down, you may be unaware of the online harms bill which is total censorship or you may want to be told what to think and to be not allowed an opnion but some of us still maintain the ability to think critically and reject this. I'm not a fan of RB but what's happening is obviously unprecedented and unjust. The whole edifice upon which the system stands is totally corrupt and serves the interests of the very few not the many.
@Threadbow
Жыл бұрын
Agree with OP The uk public have known plus comedy industry know too. UK anonymous is always the Way for r and s/a cases. More than 900 people in entertainment, including Dermot O’Leary, have signed an open letter calling for “an end to this culture that turns a blind eye to predators operating in plain sight”. This is just the start after being the 4th predator this year in uk TV.
@Threadbow
Жыл бұрын
@@Leigh-ry3ybthe women were not paid. More than 900 people in entertainment, including Dermot O’Leary, have signed an open letter calling for “an end to this culture that turns a blind eye to predators operating in plain sight”. Uk government has to investigate, especially after Jimmy Savile case went under cover but known and protected by police and TV bbc
@kikicliff2519
Жыл бұрын
I find it odd that, as a lawyer, you didn't mention one obvious fact - both the Times and Channel 4 will have had lawyers pour over the reports and any evidence that was provided by the accusers. Brand is known to be litigious - he successfully sued a paper for defamation once before - so they would have wanted their reporting to be bullet proof. Also, when commenting about why the women didn't come forward sooner or go to the police, a passing mention of the conviction rates for sexual assaults and rapes would have been pertinent. The fact is that a minority of the cases of rape reported to he police go to trial at all and those that do, less than half result in a conviction. And then on occasion, a convicted rapist gets a slap on the wrist from the judge (Brock Turner). Why should any victim put themselves through that?
@SEAZNDragon
Жыл бұрын
It's not just Brand is litigious but the defamation laws in the UK tend to favor the plaintiff. It was a big shock when Johnny Depp lost his defamation case in the UK.
@bowriverblues8445
Жыл бұрын
This is a great point, it’s what the “extreme” “and I chose that word specifically”…tend to ignore, the reporters lawyers would have treated it as presenting evidence to a court. The problem is the lack of logical and critical thinking on behalf of his followers. Maybe it is the case, and in some circumstances, as in this situation unfortunately, that we the human race are innately tribal.
@lillirosewicksknitwear2209
Жыл бұрын
I’d add to your comment; she left out the fact that the journalists spent 4 years investigating, this was thoroughly looked into.
@DOAccount
Жыл бұрын
Uk law allows hearsay as evidence.
@lvt2050
Жыл бұрын
but instead, go to media? lol no
@nathanlonghair
Жыл бұрын
So I'm very confused about that Rose segment being included in this video. She seemed to be saying that the reporting was suspect, because pseudonyms were used for alleged victims, and this is somehow against journalistic practice?? I'm not a journalist, but I have always been told (and observed) that when dealing with victims - especially of sexual assault - it is RECOMMENDED to protect their privacy. The journalist/staff should know and verify the persons identity internally, but not share it unless the person agrees to it. Also they are not "rules", they are journalistic ethics guidelines and apparently a hot button issue that not all publications see eye to eye on. In the EU and UK there are even laws that force media to protect the identity of victims of sexual assault, which seems pretty relevant. And Rose is saying that this is somehow new? LegalBytes doesn't challenge this, so what am I missing here? I'm also wondering who could realistically see *Russell Brand* as any kind of credible threat to those in power - other than perhaps Mr. Brand himself. What's the point of "throwing him to the wolves" unless he has perceived power? I don't know who did or didn't do what, but this whole rhetoric with "theys and thems" sounds like conspiracies coming from a fan.
@fhte111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for dropping the background music Alyte 💙💙💙 Great video!
@universalsoldier2293
Жыл бұрын
It's a shame because Brand is a success story of maturity. Yes, he was and will always be a pig for his youth, but his arch has been impressive. Regardless, if he acted inappropriately or criminally, then he needs to be held accountable. His newfound spiritual awakening does not negate that.
@ruthanna4713
Жыл бұрын
He'll be alright. Come out even stronger perhaps.
@Threadbow
Жыл бұрын
He's a narcissist and cannot change. He's just applied a new face. He's been called out for years on tv shows. But it hit the cutting room floor. Its no secret see Katherine Ryan the Canadian comedian. He got kicked off msm because of his actions.
@ulrikjensen6841
Жыл бұрын
Was he a "pig in his youth"? What were the girls, then? Hoares?
@vitkomusic6624
4 ай бұрын
If. Evidence???
@LoveLaw
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the documentary seemed very believable to me. It sounds like nobody who knew him was surprised at all.
@OleVinny
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, nobody wants to be associated with a rapist, so if such claims are made and there's a sliver of a possibility (let alone perhaps some reasonable suspicion), most will abandon their friends at the drop of a hat
@gammaraygem
Жыл бұрын
Katy Perry said she would not elaborate, but locked reasons/evidence for her divorce from him "in a safe, for a rainy day".
@gemmanoon9833
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your take on this, but I do want to add some context that a non-British audience may not be aware of with regard to why the accusers did not come forward sooner. Firstly, Russell Brand did get in mild trouble for inappropriate behaviour in the past (there was an issue of him phoning the grandfather of an ex and leaving lewd messages about her as part of his radio show) but short of a short-term punishment (he lost that show), it did not harm his career in any meaningful way. So these accusations are not completely out of the blue. Even the video clip you show is not "promiscuous" behaviour, it's Brand touching a woman without her consent, and her laughter is a known stress response: Brand did this style of comedy for years, and to be fair to him, it was enabled by the TV stations and producers because "she laughed", but it is not appropriate and not consensual, not to mention the imbalance of power and the fact no one is stepping in to stop him. He's been called out on this for pretty much his entire career, and there were dark rumours about his marriage to Katy Perry. So no, this isn't coming from absolutely nowhere - it's been known for years that his "edgy" behaviour often crossed a line, but his employers helped to blur that for years. Secondly, you have to look at the behaviours of the British TV and media industry with regard to sex crimes and inappropriate behaviour when it comes to their bankable stars. For example, the BBC and the freaking police protected Jimmy Savile until 2012 - a year after his death - despite knowing full well that he was harming children because tons of people came forward. Rolf Harris is another example of someone caught in the wake of the Savile investigation, known as Operation Yewtree. Again, this is NOT to claim that Brand is guilty, but is purely in regard to the question, "Why didn't they report earlier?" that you asked in the video. I think that a non-British audience needs to understand the power that the BBC, ITV and Channel Four have in the UK when it comes to the careers of media personalities, and that this has come on top of other British media personalities being caught doing inappropriate things in the very recent past (looking at you, Phillip Schofield). What comes out over and over again is that the BBC, Channel Four, and ITV HAD received reports from victims, their own staff, and other individuals but did not act until the story broke in the papers. In some cases, the police were complicit in the coverup, and in others, people stayed quiet because speaking out was the end of their careers. This was still happening as of this year in cases that have absolutely nothing to do with Brand. In his specific case, we've got literal footage of him crossing the line into grossly inappropriate and occasionally technically illegal in the UK (inappropriate touching) behaviours that he never faced any consequences for, and in some cases, was actually celebrated for. I hope that context helps answer the "why" and "why now", to people; also it's taken four years for the media investigation to be published, so the allegations were first taken to the press during metoo, but don't forget the impact of the pandemic.
@user-sr1kc6jj2b-p1q
Жыл бұрын
Bravo! 1000 likes for you! 👏👏👏
@Arphemius
Жыл бұрын
So he made a prank call, which was not inappropriate behavior, and the clip is completely innocuous also. Rumors about his marriage, which means gossip, means nothing. The idea that his employers shielded him from accusation when they also immediately fired him after a prank call is laughable. Lies upon lies upon lies. That is why no one can trust a word you people say and why they stand with the accused right out of the gate in many cases. You caused that.
@littlerabbit584
Жыл бұрын
@@Arphemius would exposing genitals in a workplace be considered inappropriate to you? Just figuring out where the bar is
@markpostgate2551
Жыл бұрын
@@littlerabbit584 Clearly "appropriate" and "inappropriate" are value judgements, subjective and cultural. Even with the example you give; getting your genitals out in public would be perfectly appropriate in a culture without trousers, and it is not appropriate in ours - so there is no way we can deny that is cultural. It's a bit bizarre to claim that what was done in the name of comedy was not inappropriate since it was their inappropriateness that made them funny. If they are not inappropriate why are we laughing? A boundary had been breached and that was what made it funny - it is transgressive. It seems to me that the big reason this is being fought in media and not in the courts is because it is culture itself on trial and not the man, and you can't put the culture on trial in the courts because the courts are downstream of culture. Culture will find itself not-guilty. The things he is accused of are not yet crimes; he is being accused of them so the law will be changed by the affected shift in public opinion. To illustrate - he is accused of gr**ming a sixteen year old girl, which is not illegal, but the accuser thinks it should be. Another - it is not yet considered "r*pe" if you have consensual sex with your partner without informing her that you are not using a condom, even if she has told you in the past she wants you to wear a condom, but the accuser thinks it should be. You can't argue what the law should be in a criminal trial; that has to be debated in society and then the law changed. Don't have a go at me and say that is unfair: I am not endorsing the strategy; I am decoding it and explaining its reasoning that the campaigners, I believe, are slyly keeping hidden. That's one side of it: The other is the desire to silence Russell Brand, who still is a breaker of boundaries, but of a different sort. Whereas once, he was a breaker of the boundaries of sexual inhibition, he is now the breaker of the boundaries between the siloed echo chambers of the political tribes. The propaganda of the MSM relies on its consumers being in two separate and non-communicative camps that only perceive caricatured versions of each other that are threatening and dehumanized. Having established this situation, they can shape how you think by telling you to be in opposition to their strawmanned representation of the group you are conditioned to hate. When there is unfiltered and respectful conversation between the two sides that breaks the con. That is the current day boundary breaking he is really being punished for, by the corporations. How the feminists are using Brand as the figurehead of the lad culture of the 2000s in order to put lad culture itself on trial just happens to coincide with the corporate interests who want to keep us siloed. So maybe this is just a collusion of interests. Maybe... but, on the other hand, maybe a gendering of the political silos (both of which are economically neoliberal by the way) is deliberate, because we saw that in 2016 with the pink pussy hat march where Clinton was presented as the feminist choice and Trump as the manly choice, at least performatively (notably, Clinton was the more war-hawkish of the two so she was hardly a feminine choice). A vote for Trump was portrayed as a misogynistic vote whilst the threat of "leftism" is presented in right wing spaces as a feminine threat of social security and coddling. This is an ahistorical claim because when there was a left that supported the interests of workers and labour it tended to have more male supporters than female supporters and it was as it moved towards the political centre it came to be the more female-supported political party. So maybe the feminist and corporate interests being aligned is by design rather than coincidence, since dividing men from women is the most fundamental of identitarian divisions... Not quite past the chin-scratching stage on that one.
@allsorts-
Жыл бұрын
This guy is no quiet & humble Johnny D, this is a big mouth egotist. "I had a spiritual awakening" is a cover to try to stop his past catching up with him. He has also recently said "I always knew this would happen one day" as if that serves as a defence. I bet he knew it would come one day, and for good reason.
@tanithetiger
Жыл бұрын
I don't think that everyone should be forced to be doxxed to the public just to have their claims believed. I understand people have trust issues with institutions but I dont think newspapers exposing the identities of private citizens accusing a celebrity with thousands of fans is how we fix that. If it turns out to be a lie, then we can ask for the identities and more facts but for now I think we have to believe journalistic practices on checking sources while also protecting their identity from the public are being followed into given reasons to believe otherwise.
@ultimamage3
Жыл бұрын
In the UK apparently they protect the victims identities until it's proven they're lying.
@alwaysdisputin9930
Жыл бұрын
_"I don't think that everyone should be forced to be doxxed to the public just to have their claims believed."_ They shouldn't be believed at all until they show some evidence. You can't just believe every random allegation you hear. People lie all the time. Anyone can put forward anonymous allegations about anyone. I allege Rishi Sunak ***** a farmyard animal. It doesn't mean he did. & no one is saying "dox" these accusers i.e. reveal their home address so why talk about doxxing? But we do need to know that these are 4 actual ladies & not 4 fictituous characters invented by someone powerful & angry or a bent journalist.
@OleVinny
Жыл бұрын
"Believe journalistic practices" is a lot of trust to put into institutions that aren't incentivised by justice or morality
@forcryinoutloud
Жыл бұрын
This. Claiming Brand should be presumed "innocent" on social media (something he has NO right to - presumption of innocence is for the court of LAW) while baying like hounds for blood, wanting the names of the victims desperate to pile in them & judge them by social media trial jury & executioner. 🧐 Hypocrisy much? Pretending Brand hasn't ALWAYS been a skeeve around women (an open secret for literal DECADES) because he's presenting himself now as some right wing guru is just disingenuousness of the highest order.
@alwaysdisputin9930
Жыл бұрын
@@forcryinoutloud"Skeeve" isn't a word in the English language. We have to know who his accusers are because we need to know that they are actually real people. Monsters walk among us. The journalists might be monsters. Brand might be a monster. His accusers might be monsters. We don't know about anyone really. But most people are not terrible criminals. Therefore Brand probably isn't 1. & If we don't see the goodness in people then we won't be able to love them.
@greenprobe
Жыл бұрын
This felt surprisingly biased in favor of Brand: you mention that the slogan to "believe all women/victims" has serious problems when taken literally (I agree) but seem to present it as a deficiency of the accusers that Brand claims to have private evidence that exonerates him without mentioning the possibility that perhaps Brand isn't to be believed. Brand also criticizes the anonymity of his accusers, but if its true as I'm seeing in other comments that this is commonplace in the UK then he would be demonstrably twisting the situation to his own benefit. Perhaps worst of all it comes across that you uncritically accept that Brand has decided to become a better person because he himself says so in his self-help-guru style youtube channel. His name is literally Brand, and he clearly knows how to manage his own as evidenced by the fact that he has completely reinvented himself half a dozen times over his career. It is good to be skeptical of media narratives, and Brand has a recent right-wing association that probably caused this story to get more traction than it would have otherwise. However I worry there has been an overcorrection because of the manufactured allegations against Depp, let's not defend someone who could still turn out to be a terrible beyond saying "We haven't yet determined whether he is actually terrible". Sorry if it came across that I'm heated, I usually really like the analysis on this channel so I feel overly invested plus I admit I'm pretty skeptical of Brand.
@melissadiarne1118
Жыл бұрын
The me too movement didn’t hit in the UK like it did in the US Russell Brand has been an open secret in the comedy industry for years and years, but people are to fearful to say anything because he is litigious
@sasshioo
Жыл бұрын
And defamation laws in the UK are much less stringent than in the US. The burden of proof lies with the defendant versus the person bringing the claim.
@deborahdaviesdd-artist1059
Жыл бұрын
I really think this case doesn’t translate too well. UK story evaluated under USA law.
@link01uk
Жыл бұрын
A UK story about allegations of misconduct in the US... I very much liked the balance of this coverage.
@phillipaclemons7261
Жыл бұрын
True, there are differences. The issue of the women stating their names and showing their faces is different in the UK. There they and their families are protected against abuse and death threats etc before a trial is held
@melissadiarne1118
Жыл бұрын
@@link01uk Not all the allegations o cured in the USA most are from the time concerning him on channels 4’s Big brothers big mouth and more have been reported to the Met since
@ceebee987
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved this unbiased legal view of what is happening. Most are just jumping on the bandwagon of "he's innocent, here's why (insert personal opinion and people from his past that fit the narrative), and "he's guilty, off with his hEaD" (insert personal opinion and past videos). We need to allow due legal process before we start fighting each other in a situation NONE of know the truth of....yet. There's plenty of time to cancel him AFTER he's proven guilty through the legal process. It's not like he's 90 and there's limited time. Thank you so much for this video.
@kellyparker3279
Жыл бұрын
@ceebee987, he IS innocent until proven guilty in a court of law beyond reasonable doubt.
@jsrodman
Жыл бұрын
That is how the law works. Other aspects of life and behaviour are not govererned by the law.
@manderly33
Жыл бұрын
The justice system is deeply flawed. These allegations are the product of a long investigation, in a country where plaintiffs are favored by libel laws. Plus there’s just hours of video of him acting like a sex pest to women who are working, and there’s the fact that this is another “this was an open secret for years” situation. Also: any man is more likely to be raped himself than falsely accused. I’m perfectly able to use Occam’s Razor here.
@moggpiano8043
Жыл бұрын
Bottom line is, those who think he's innocent will believe that, even if he's convicted (His supporters already think that the establishment is out to get him.) Those who think not, will hold the contrary opinion even if no charges are brought. Fron that point of view, the decision of the law is irrelevant.
@derpestarzt
Жыл бұрын
@@moggpiano8043 u're projecting. If the US alleged victim comes forward and actually files criminal charges and produces the rape crisis center report, they claim they have evidence frozen, so if evidence matches (DNA) and there were signs of rape noted down and this is all verified in a court of law then absolutely he should be punished.
@AfricanImmigrant1
Жыл бұрын
I usually respect your objective take but this one was not objective. They came out in 2019 because they finally felt empowered to do so. This has been ongoing investigation since 2019. Not everyone is being chased by Mr smith from the matrix 😂 some people actually did bad things in the past.
@hayleypbop6997
Жыл бұрын
I’m going to tell everyone now. Not every case that happened pre ‘me too’ came out during that time. There is also the possibility (and this piece involves no investigative journalism, keep in mind) that the women did come out and it seems the cases were all known about in small circles. It took a journalist to connect those dots.
@hez01
Жыл бұрын
Great video, Alyte, and I agree with you completely. Accepting allegations as true before they have been proven is dangerous. These accusations are very serious and should be taken seriously, and it's important to keep in mind that it will also impact the accused's life whether they are true or not, as we saw with Depp being dropped from major movies and other opportunities. If they are true, people absolutely want to see justice served, and rightfully so (eg: Masterson). But if it's not, the damage is done and that person's life is still ruined. I'm waiting until more is revealed through the investigation etc. There are claims that more evidence exists on both sides so I'm sure we'll all know more facts soon enough. I hope you continue to cover this!
@amylynnhunt55
Жыл бұрын
Also adding my thanks! I appreciate and respect so much that you are very able to talk about two or more sides of a situation and not announce what if any (Elaine has ruined that phrase forever 😂😂) - and not trying to rally or influence viewers to any side or idea. So refreshing! This rush to judgment is troubling. I see comments that prove the commenter didn't watch the video. Were this a court case, which it currently is not, one allegation was made in California. So no, we don't have to only speak about laws in the United Kingdom.
@taylorsmith820
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for turning off the background music!! It was so much better to listen to!!! Very thorough video on RB!
@Bexx74
Жыл бұрын
These women DID come forward during me too. The paper has been investigating for something like 3 years now. To make sure that the allegations were iron clad. Im surprised you didnt know this.
@bdi7518
Жыл бұрын
Deep down we all the the truth that RB is completely innocent of any real crime here. We know this is political but cognitive dissonance would have us all paralyzed to defend the innocent because the mighty AI driven Big Tech Big Government Controllers well beckon their blind army of remote controlled sheeple to do their lynching on their behalf. Dont believe invisible ghost AI women. Believe Amber Heard.
@jboss119
Жыл бұрын
Ironclad according to whom?
@KamalaCzarCrim3
Жыл бұрын
Nope
@phillipaclemons7261
Жыл бұрын
@boss119 A lawyer will tell you the greatest fear with reporting this story is a legal threat from RB for the newspaper and TV channel. That is why it has taken them 4yrs to make it legally watertight as possible The Police have stated they are now formerly investigating the allegations from several women
@heinzsight
Жыл бұрын
@phillipaclemons7261 only 1 individual has submitted an incident report
@sampal5352
Жыл бұрын
Trouble is, without the media there wouldn’t be a case. It’s almost always involved in the matter of taking to account powerful people, institutions, and corporations. I don’t the process can always be equated with taking claims to the ‘court of public opinion’. Look at the Catholic church scandal, that took decades of investigative journalism to reveal. The Met has said they would not have been able to move forward on these allegations without a strong, credible collective voice being given to these otherwise isolated alleged victims. Brand has an even more recent transition to a conspiracy theorist and cult like status leader, which I think is why this is getting another level energy and outrage. He has literally been telling people for years there is a conspiracy and people will eventually come for him in some way. I don’t think it really matters if he had some intentions in this all along, the damage it does to our trust in society towards everything and the way it misleads people against each other is off the charts.
@sharebunnies9381
Жыл бұрын
He is working tirelessly to expose corruption. He is being sledged as a conspiracy theorist cause he's managing it.
@Wanttofanta
Жыл бұрын
Love how many people are defending this freak. Literally video proof that he throws himself on woman without their permission. Lots of Andrew Tate admirers apparently
@grproteus
Жыл бұрын
Personally, I'm defending the process. Would you want to have your life destroyed because someone accused you anonymously? What recourse would you have to prove your innocence in that case? Word-of-mouth? We wanted a world-wide village, but instead we got a bunch of world-wide villains.
@manderly33
Жыл бұрын
@@grproteus Men are more likely to be raped themselves than falsely accused. You think defending a celebrity from multiple accusations makes you the good guy?? Try again.
@OhNotThat
Жыл бұрын
hey hey, just want to chime in and remind everyone. The allegation isn't merely he had sex with a minor, or a sixteen year old girl. The allegation is that he had sex with a minor without her consent, by forcing himself upon her and penetrating her. While obstentively a 30 year old man having sex with 16 year olds are indeed 100% gross, this is not the actual argument; since we shouldn't let Russell and his defenders deflect the argument into talking about age of consent. The topic is: Russell Brand forced himself on a woman of any age, the age of this girl just happens to be 16. He forced himself on her, that's the accusation and the accusation other women have made. Hope this helps!
@claire2088
11 ай бұрын
I'm inclined to believe it- he's got a history of icky sexual behaviour and serious disrespect towards women. He got fired from the BBC for calling someone up and saying he'd slept with their grandaughter (and playing the messages on radio) and he apologised to the grandfather a year or two later, but took another 5 years to get around to apologising to the woman who he'd talked about. His break up text to Katy Perry also seems like a particularly cruel way to announce to a spouse you're breaking up and the timing could hardly have been worse (right before she was due to perform on new years eve, she was filming a tour documentary so there's fottage of her crying her eyes out in her stage costume). He was on screen being aggresively flirty/sexual with women, often ignoring their discomfort. Danii Minogue said he was a vile predator years ago. He's fallen out with quite a few celebs over how he treated them/their daughters, there's jsut enough stuff that's been said over nearly two decades for me to believe that he's at the very least, creepy and overly pushy and delights in making other people uncomfortable by taking sexual disscusions way too far. The court of law has to assume innocent until proven guilty, but given his history and the wide range of things said about him vs multiple accusations I'm willing to believe them over him. The age differences in the accusations aren't out of the ordinary for him- he dated his wife briefly when she was 19 and he was 30. He was 30 when he made the phone call and he was talking about a 20 year old. not sure where he's based now, but from a UK perspective his current 'the media are all lying' is a very fringe belief to hold- I think trump has made it a more mainstream take in the US but in the UK while we don't trust the media to tell us the whole truth and to be unbiased the idea that they're all working together as some huge consipracy isn't a common belief.
@chrisandrew7577
Жыл бұрын
The dog making itself comfortable was so cute
@olgab5176
Жыл бұрын
22:40 "Someone put that ugly pillow on my chair again" 🥰
@LeLaHeathers
Жыл бұрын
I came to the comments to see if anyone noticed this 😂🐾
@storkbat
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this….Best analysis I’ve heard…and so needed it is…
@AynenMakino
Жыл бұрын
Has anyone ever tallied how many of the people that the Sun has gone after are publicly left-leaning vs. how many right-leaning people with the same allegations the Sun was silent about?
@Threadbow
Жыл бұрын
They go after all leanings political wise. Also wealth wise poor or rich n9 matter
@gailcbull
Жыл бұрын
I am a trauma survivor, and you clearly do not understand how trauma works. Certain things happened to me that I could not even say out loud in an empty room for literally years. Denial is a part of trauma. It is horrifying to suggest that these women should have been forced to talk about what happened to them before they were able to accept the reality of what had happened to them. Trauma recovery does not work on your schedule. It doesn't work on a social movement's schedule. It doesn't work on the legal profession's schedule. And it doesn't work on an abuser's schedule, although it does work to the abuser's advantage because then half the adult population decides the victim is a liar because their trauma recovery "took too long". By saying that these women should have made their accusations during the #MeToo movement, you are implying they should have been far more calculating and manipulative than they have been. And I can only suppose that if they had made the accusation during the #MeToo movement, you would've implied that were being too calculating and manipulative. "Damned if you do, and damned if you don't" is the message you want trauma survivors to take from this.
@kizi180
Жыл бұрын
We hear you, but I think what she meant was that they prefer to talk to a magazine over lawyers or the police
@user-sr1kc6jj2b-p1q
Жыл бұрын
I first heard the accusations about Brand back during the US's #MeToo movement. The UK news was full of Brexit at the time and then the Prince Andrew and Epstein scandal, and then Covid and Megxit, and so I think the story was not a priority yet. I do not think it was a coincidence that this was also when Brand turned into a "wellness guru". He knew this was coming. _Everything_ he has been doing fits the profile and life cycles of someone with at least one Cluster B personality disorder with major addiction issues and people like that are abusive and manipulative. I fully expect him to get jail time. Yes he has turned over a new leaf, but I don't think it is as important as making amends to his victims, which he has not done at all. Since he has failed to do that I doubt the depth of his redemption.
@JennaGetsCreative
Жыл бұрын
I'm also a trauma survivor, and I agree healing doesn't have a timeline, but when you make legal accusations you've got to be willing to put your name on it.
@manderly33
Жыл бұрын
@@kizi180It’s not a question of “prefer”, jerk. The reporters came to them as part of the investigation. And yeah: reporters treat victims better than the police, so it’s not a mystery actually. This content creator is a hack.
@manderly33
Жыл бұрын
@@JennaGetsCreative Ah yes and that’s why there’s no such thing as witness protection. Y’all are rape apologists. And for a celebrity who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire.
@soaringkite2673
Жыл бұрын
He strikes me as having some serious psychological issues.
@tylerschwartz5680
Жыл бұрын
Tell me you only know him by watching his movies without telling me you've only watched his movies.
@annicecooper8105
Жыл бұрын
I think he has an ego the size of Planet Earth and it was amply fed by the hedonistic world he was inhabiting back then. Making good money for the TV stations so his disgraceful behaviour was tolerated and enabled. I didn't care for him then, he was someone who seemed to not appreciate any kind of boundaries and imposed himself physically upon people when they were clearly uncomfortable. I don't really know his recent work but there is a difference between amoral and Illegal behaviour ? That seems to be for the police to investigate.
@alwaysdisputin9930
Жыл бұрын
@@annicecooper8105 We don't know if he's done any disgraceful behaviour. You're just being hateful.
@annicecooper8105
Жыл бұрын
@@alwaysdisputin9930 he's openly admitted in his own book that his behaviour was disgraceful ! I'm sure there are many stars around at that time silently bricking it - he wasn't alone I'm sure. I don't know him so don't hate him. It's not right the government are interfering in private businesses. Have no doubt he is being roasted openly in the world's media and may well be a reformed character - people mature and change - but that doesn't absolve anyone of past illegal acts IF they are proven. And that is a big if.
@melina.leany-g
Жыл бұрын
Thanks you for your objective commentary. I listened to some of the documentary (a radio version) and I have to admit that the choice to use actors to represent the victims struck me as a bit odd. I can absolutely understand the hesitation for a victim to come forward for fear of public ridicule. However, I don't understand why the creators didn't just read the victims' statements instead of hiring actors. An actor, by their very nature, is going to add emotion, intonations, and other inflections. This performative aspect of the documentary adds another layer to how the audience can interpret the truth of the allegations. Definitely not saying this absolves Brand, I just think that this may spark some backlash for the investigators and may do more of a disservice to the victims than the investigators intended since it may be called into question.
@gcooper642
Жыл бұрын
Using actors in documentaries is normal in the UK. I've seen it used quite a lot. The Jeremy Kyle documentary had actors stand in to read crew statements for example.
@kellykilfeather
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s very typical to have actors read victim or whistleblower statements in U.K. documentaries, for shielding identity so audiences are used to it. I think it does the absolute opposite with regards conveying emotion. The actor is never as able to convey the feelings as the real person speaking in their own words do, it always sounds more hollow to me and takes away a lot of the emotional impact… having the actual person tell their story is far, faaaar more emotive. You shouldn’t be weighing up, or ‘interpreting truth’ as you put it, of the allegations on the basis of emotion anyway. I also don’t think it will effect the investigation as the police will take direct statements of their own and are used to dealing in facts, not emotion. What the audience thinks is kinda irrelevant at the end of the day.. it’s now a police matter, so the documentary investigation has achieved what is arguably its primary aim… to push the investigation forward, and more people coming forward, same as the Saville documentary achieved.
@gcooper642
Жыл бұрын
@@kellykilfeather They never use good actors. Same with audio translations of other languages on the news. It's always a bit off. I think the actors focus on pronunciation and understandability more than realism. They seem stage actory.
@annakarenina3188
Жыл бұрын
What did you think of the several women who were speaking for themselves (ie, not actors reading the written statements of 2-3 of the 5 accusers, plus all the PAs and studio staff used their own voices and faces)...... ........ when it was the women themselves who had claimed they had been assaulted, and it was the women themselves who were his employees etc: I felt those cases were compelling as people giving an account of something which took place. The actors felt off, felt forced/faked, which is a real shame ..... I wish those women had agreed to speak for themselves, so we could get a feel for how real it was. The levels of details, again, I found compelling.
@melina.leany-g
Жыл бұрын
@@gcooper642 - Thanks for the context, I had no idea that this was the norm in UK documentaries!
@gardenandcalico
Жыл бұрын
I honestly think trying to get celebs "cancelled" and revoking their income on allegations has always been a bad strategy. For one thing, it doesn't WORK. Most people accused manage to do fine and even drum up more support. Bystanders who have survived similar things get triggered. Our justice systems are far from perfect, but I do think we should focus on fixing those rather than trying to use the court of public opinion instead. At the end of the day, best case scenario, its just large scale enacted revenge in the place of true accountability and it helps exactly no one.
@badassbikerdude
Жыл бұрын
What brand said was that he has evidence which contradicts "the narrative", to be that coukd be very different from evidence which could disprove his guilt
@markpostgate2551
Жыл бұрын
Interesting idea, but he did also say everything was consensual, so he is saying he is not guilty as well. But, not everyone has the same definition of consensual.
@TurfShifter
Жыл бұрын
There is no statute of limitations in the UK for accusations of this nature. Seeing some of the behaviour of Brand it is comparable with Jimmy Saville and no one came forward during his life and we had to wait until he was dead for the horror of his behaviour to be known.
@marmite.
Жыл бұрын
Children had been coming forward for years right into adulthood,a lot of high up people turned a blind eye so it was hard to bring him to justice as a lot of people had a lot to lose.
@Truthorfib
Жыл бұрын
Let's put it this way, if the government and media really cared about things like this, they would have come after Prince Andrew and would be interrogated to expose who else went to Epstein's island. The fact that they are coming after Russell Brand is because he did something right which is expose the government's corruption and lies on multiple instances. That's why they are after him and not Prince Andrew
@SuperJamesus
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know the truth but at this stage there’s no way you can make that evaluation. This is why we need proper investigation and we are not there yet.
@sharebunnies9381
Жыл бұрын
Russel is like the polar opposite ❤
@BanterousLemon
Жыл бұрын
Probably not the best Legal Bytes video. Factually incorrect around assertions around the time frame taken to report the issue. No mention of Brands litigious past, and it's chilling effect pursuing justice. Too much fluffy discussion points around the metoo movement. Very little information about the actual accusations. Weird title that doesn't adequately describe content of the video, and sets out your bias from the start.
@angrymeowngi
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't Brand very public about his "dirty" past? That would actually distract from the point of the current issue. Everyone can read his books. And that can actually be used as defense for him as well as Legalbyte stated "making him an easy target" just because he once tried to be a bit truthful. Are we now trying to punish for being more honest? I thought we want to live in a society where there is due process? The allegations need to be proven and unfortunately for the "alleged" victims, the investigation took too long. Had the accusers also made sure it went public at the height of the metoo movement when practically everyone was just taking everyone's word at face value, but they instead chose to wait longer to take the spotlight (at least the media backing the accusers). Too bad victims has to resort to that to get justice, but if they are telling the truth and simply wanted to ruin Brand's career, then they are succeeding and actually had no need to go to trial. If that is the case, then society in general benefits nothing in the long term.
@alwaysdisputin9930
Жыл бұрын
@BanterousLemon - stop lying. Brand doesn't have a litigious past. Time frame is accurate. Accusations were summarised adequately. Video title is good. Crazy people on youtube type a lot of dumb BS. You are 1 of them.
@voteloonydotcom
Жыл бұрын
If you are not a viewer of Brand but are prepared to comment on these circumstances... something by admission that you're therefore unaware of, then it stands to reason that YOU are the problem.
@terenzo50
Жыл бұрын
I go for months at a time without giving Russell Brand a single thought. Years even. I strongly doubt the validity of the this video's title.
@RashID_Music
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely spot on with your assessment 😊
@myishaleigh
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very well-researched video. Only thing I‘d add is that Russell‘s refusal to take any accountability (let alone acknowledge he may have hurt people in the way they‘ve claimed) when he himself admitted to and made fun of some of the allegations, is completely at odds with his new found „lets be kind and do good in the world“ ideology.
@deborahdaviesdd-artist1059
Жыл бұрын
A point on what you said is the recovery programme he works. In 12th step you are advised to “cease fighting anyone and anything”. Therefore, encouraged to seek a peaceful life, which is the total opposite of what he has done.
@VioletDeathRei
Жыл бұрын
Asking people being prosecuted to admit fault is an incredibly damaging standard and I'd assume being on a law channel you'd understand why. Even if guilty no one pleas so without a deal because charges are stacked in such a way as to over punish because you are likely to get off for most of them. It's like asking someone to jump off a cliff without a bungee cord.
@britneychester6176
Жыл бұрын
you are misled by this lawyer, Russell isn't at fault it is the women he was with who 'were' at fault' they knew exactly what they were doing at the time, and with whom they were, a celebrity, now they complain historically about it. Every woman is responsible for her own actions and who she has sex with, before marriage is an absolute no no, so its not his fault at all !
@phoenixrising5088
Жыл бұрын
@@deborahdaviesdd-artist1059He is a reformed Man now. He has been in therapy and is now clean from Drug and Alcohol abuse. Also sought therapy for his Sexual addiction.
@jdhcdfdfnikki3233
Жыл бұрын
I wanna be kind. But I fucking won't if the are NWO scum.
@lauradana22
Жыл бұрын
Spoken like a true A-hole. Listen lady, I got attacked when I was 16, attacked as in almost murdered. I fought back, saved myself, and called the police. DO YOU KNOW what the police did? They took a 16-year-old without a parent there, without lawyers, and dictated a statement and then they freed that person the next day. The amount of uphill battle I had to endure to obtain justice, was insane, and it was "objectively true" (True with capital T). Do you know what people were asking me? Why did I open the door (which I didn't, but that is irrelevant)? Why didn't I scream? (I did). Nobody was on my side, and this individual was the scum of the earth so do you even understand what you are on about? Imagine all the fanboys of Russel Brand descending on those women. Have you thought of that? No! You didn't! You are "part of the problem"? Now is the documentary pushing a narrative?Yes! Does that mean he didn't do it?No! Is there a conspiracy? Don't know and frankly, it is irrelevant to the facts and the facts need to be proven indeed. What is not ok is for you to say "oh, someone doesn't have credibility because they don't show their face so that they can be mistreated and harassed by the masses. The police is investigating, so they did show their faces where it mattered.
@rydsss
Жыл бұрын
Shout out to the pupper for knocking the pillow off the chair in the background to make room for sleeps.
@LegalBytesMedia
Жыл бұрын
Indy is funny like that-she doesn’t mess around when it comes to sleeps!! 😂
@MrGundawindy
Жыл бұрын
"My truth" actually means "My feelings", not the objective truth.
@shhhhhh62
Жыл бұрын
The police are investigating several complaints - not covered in the documentary. The documentary provided women with the confidence to come forward. Americans have never seen or heard him in his sleazebag heyday, like we in the UK have. We don't have a statute of limitations for criminal acts like this. We also have anonymity for victims in the UK, they will be on the record in court but never publicly named - unless they themselves decide to talk publicly. The BBC removed the content because it included his own admissions of wrongdoing - like exposing himself to a women who was working alongside him. I find it ironic that Americans protest for single sex bathrooms but are happy to defend Russell who happily urinated into a cup during his radio show in front of women and a minor. People like Rose shouldn't be commenting on things she doesn't understand, ie UK law.
@jorahkai
Жыл бұрын
fantastic and balanced content! excellent perspective
@kevinhornbuckle
Жыл бұрын
False allegation of sexual abuse is sexual abuse.
@AmaanAAAA
Жыл бұрын
I'm hoping I can be as eloquent as you are. I'm getting ready to start a commentary channel, you're providing me a gold standard.
@tecthyself
Жыл бұрын
Your work is very important as a lawyer and a woman whom is taking the case with the reality of the first impression. I'm 100% on what you said.
@andrewroberthook3310
10 ай бұрын
The way things are going men will be frightened to approach women In fear of being accused of sexual assaults So many young men have now got a complex
@KratonWolf
Жыл бұрын
what do I think? I think seeing your dog climb up on the chair cutely in the background definitely adds to these videos! :D your pets are so cute!
@peggyriordan9857
Жыл бұрын
I am with you on this situation. Personally, when RB was in his 'I'll have sex with anyone female' stage, it's hard to believe that any of the women who went out with him would not have known that was a part of dating RB. I'm not suggesting that whatever he did during that period was ok, just that the question of 'Do I really want to go out with this guy?' would be reasonable when considering who RB was at that time. I agree that if a person is going to make these allegations public via newspapers, etc., they need to go on the record. This is to serious to be hiding behind an assigned false identity. Considering these allegations, and they are allegations, could and have ruined some people's lives and for some, rightly so. I do think the companies who have shut down their involvement with RB were wrong to do so, based upon allegations made by fictitiously named women. It's not fair play in my eyes. He is innocent until proven guilty and should be able to continue working. It seems his right to free speech is being denied. I personally don't like RB, so I don't listen to his show, but clearly others do and they should be the ones to decide whether to continue to watch/listen to his shows, not corporations. Thanks for reading!
@stas61690
Жыл бұрын
I don't think a 17 year old would have understood the implications of his behavior.
@kingofhearts3185
Жыл бұрын
It's like nobody learned anything from Johnny Depp. At least that was his ex wife publicly coming out, not this anonymous no accountability bs. Trust and verify, he deserves his day in court before getting kicked to the can.
@EclipseXIV
Жыл бұрын
@SewingandSnakes except that is not what OP is saying. Dating a person who makes himself openly known as „the guy that wants to sleep with every woman he meets“ comes with that partner wanting sex and things potentially getting problematic about it. This is just a fact - one that I‘m very sure the women were aware of. And it has absolutely nothing to do with saying everyone who was in the same room as him should be getting assaulted. You can‘t completely absolve people of their own responsibility for getting into situations that are problematic. This has nothing to do with victim blaming, which is what you‘re insinuating, but with being aware of what you’re doing and being protective of yourself.
@EclipseXIV
Жыл бұрын
@SewingandSnakes no, I‘m saying people need to be protective of themselves regardless of a person‘s reputation. That means taking into account who you surround yourself with. Dating a celebrity adds a power imbalance that makes things extremely difficult when something bad happens, so dating one with this kind of reputation is something people need to be extra wary of.
@Atheria444
Жыл бұрын
Speaking as a victim myself, I am team Russell. The fact that these women went to the media instead of police bothers me. The fact that these women are anonymous bothers me. The fact that the text messages definitely look altered bothers me. Someone noticed that Russell SUPPOSEDLY texted the American spelling of "behavior" vs. the British spelling of "behaviour" is telling. He's British! Many of the powerful elites want him to shut up, and this is a classic way to try to silence him. And, since WHEN does a politician (in the UK) intervene in sexual legal cases contacting the defendant's employers and demanding they demonetize and/or fire him?! It's not a politician's business! This is a hit job.
@Atheria444
Жыл бұрын
And you and Rose are right. This crap hurts REAL victims!
@maricruzvazquez8859
Жыл бұрын
I love your channel. balance and respectful
@TheUnapologeticGeek
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a relatively objective primer on the matter. I love how sober and reasonable you are about things like this, and we need more voices like yours in the midst of the shouting match between the extremes.
@atreju305
Жыл бұрын
I really was all ears ... until I got to 22:40. There, I got TERRIBLY distracted ... 🐶🐾❤️
@rhonwynv
Жыл бұрын
The new Russell Brand is as concerning as previous iterations of Russel Brand. He went right down the line of c*vid denial, antivax, conspiracy theory stuff. He's positioning himself as a guru.
@ExpensivePizza
Жыл бұрын
"Due process is a fundamental principle of law designed to protect the rights of individuals from arbitrary and unjust actions of the government. Before any person can be deprived of life, liberty, or property, they must be given notice of the charges against them and an opportunity to be heard in an impartial tribunal." A letter sent to Rumble (and presumably KZitem) from Dame Caroline Dineage (member of UK parliment) stated... "We are concerned the he may be able to profit from his content on the platform". "We would like to know weather Rumble intends to join KZitem in suspending Mr. Brand's ability to earn money on the platform" That doesn't sound like due process to me.
@LeadmorAgro
11 ай бұрын
Amazing balance and insight👏
@AE-ue2ro
Жыл бұрын
They call him a conspiracy theorist then they make uo a conspiracy to explain why he is a you tuber these days. Always hypocrites
@ZambieMam
Жыл бұрын
Alyte! I just love the why you break down a case and explain it. Your brain works a lot like mine lol 😉 thanks so much for your content!
@4MAGA
Жыл бұрын
I never cared for RB but this is so wrong, he has lost his income and been found guilty by the media! So unjust
@kp-ew1bn
11 ай бұрын
Very balanced discussion here. Thank you. I appreciate the inclusion of the very sentient audio clip from Rose McGowan. I’m going to consider those statements for a good bit.
@twonoisylorrikeets1963
Жыл бұрын
IMO, the court of public opinion is not convicting a person of a crime but individuals deciding that they don't like a person and won't support with views or purchases. For example, being creepy is not a crime but if enough people think that, then that is the public decision. Brand says his sexual activities were always consensual and this may be legally true but might not be general public idea. Is consent after persuasion, pressure or bullying, what the public think consent should be? Brand with his fast talking & big vocabulary is likely quite persuasive. So persuasive is Brand that I can imagine him talking someone into doing something they regret. This could apply to physical activities or TV hosts laughing or management failure to stop him.
@sharebunnies9381
Жыл бұрын
I personally see this as infantilizing the women. Feeling pressured or not you have a choice to consent.
@potatopirate5557
Жыл бұрын
For me, it's pretty simple, personal judgement is different from legal judgement. He has consistently shown in countless ways that his psychology and behavior are toxic and abusive. They fit the psychological and behavioral history typically associated with the things he's being accused of. I don't feel pity for him because people are finally seeing him for exactly who he told us he was in his autobiographies that no one actually read, just like Marilyn Manson. But a personal judgment is completely different from a legal one and that judgement should be fully investigated and left to the courts, not the mobs or the media. We can support and take victims seriously while also giving proper due process to the accused. In his case, it's a little different because there was plenty of evidence and admissions of behavior that he should have been called out on long ago, and I think it's perfectly fair that that public discourse be happening, those chickens are long overdue for coming home to roost. I don't think it's appropriate for the public to determine his guilt without due process. In my opinion, Russell Brand and Marilyn Manson are in a similar category, as in, there are aspects of their persona and art that I can certainly appreciate and enjoy, however, their autobiographies speak volumes about their toxic psychology and potential for irrational rage, violence, gross manipulation, intense objectification of women, as well as projection of insecurities which lead to extremely controlling and manipulative behavior, rage, and physical, sexual and emotional abuse of women. Both of these men are bad and dangerous people ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN WORDS. As a survivor, if there's one thing the hell I have lived has taught me, it's that when people show you who they really are, BELIEVE THEM. It is dangerous and enabling to write off such things. You shouldn't gloss over, you should make boundaries and its okay for societyto collectively say, these guys behavioris harmful and inappropriate and we don't support or condone that. Yet that should be respected as quite separate from a blanket declaration of guilt in all things. It doesn't prove anything legally speaking and each case should be fully investigated and judged by a court. The consistent history of abusive behavior is indicative of who he is, per his own admissions, observable behavior and the accounts of others, and therefore, I believe its fair to say that he is the kind of person who is capable of this kind of behavior and to judge him on a personal (not legal) basis, based on that history of behavior. As far as the media- their coverage of everything anymore is more factually incorrect and intentionally destabilizing than anything resembling reporting and it's absolutely horrible. There is no journalistic integrity anymore.
@KarensOpinionsMayDiffer
Жыл бұрын
Russell Brand realized he had multiple problematic issues and sought intensive therapy to turn his life around. He deserves credit for that. His wife also just had their third child, no consideration for her health and well being? Consider for a moment that your personal experiences significantly influence your views.
@user-sr1kc6jj2b-p1q
Жыл бұрын
I wish I could give this comment 100 likes!
@barelyoperational6587
Жыл бұрын
Oof Rose McGowan is not an expert on anything except her own experiences. She’s extremely conspiratorial and not a great person to give a platform to if you want your content to feel legitimate
@nathanielbables8652
Жыл бұрын
"My truth" is a phrase I particularly dislike. BINGO!!!
@grannyonwire8926
Жыл бұрын
I am a regular viewer of Russell Brand, and I find him to be brilliant. I don’t agree with him on everything in his life , but I sure appreciate his sharing of his analytical views. I’m afraid this means he’s going to be taken down by haters who do not believe in free speech, and will find some reason to attack him. What bothers me most as an older woman is the witchhunt that is used so erroneously and shamefully . For the women that relegate themselves to be complete idiots that cannot protect themselves. I resent this as a young woman I navigated the world of men with responsibility for myself. Women are not children. We can handle our lives as I did myself. Shame on women who pretend to be children like . Shame on you for not standing up and being your own person.
@valfanclub
Жыл бұрын
Dear lady, I feel you. As a mature woman myself, I couldn't agree more. I always took responsibility for my actions and it is the only way to empower yourself. Being in a constant state of potential victimhood, being infantalised as women is not the way forward.
@britneychester6176
Жыл бұрын
ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE AFTER IS HIS 'MONEY' !! I ADORE RUSSELL HE IS A COMIC AND HE EDUCATES ME ON ALL HIS VIDEOS HIGHLY RESEARCHED AND HIGHLY INTELLIGENT I STAND FOR RUSSELL THE WHOLE WAY
@sharebunnies9381
Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@annaberentsen8564
Жыл бұрын
Rape victims are “idiots that can’t protect themselves”? Yikes. That’s…yikes.
@GregHighPressure
Жыл бұрын
I am fully free speech, but that has nothing to do with what he may have done before he sorted his head out... alcohol and drugs can make you make all kinds of mistakes. only time will tell...
@WilliamSt.Clair1399
11 ай бұрын
Seems odd to me that anyone who describes themselves as a free independent thinker winds up spouting the exact same message on the fair right …
@carla.p2795
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, this is just more nonsense from a person who evidently supports RB!
@alexp2915
Жыл бұрын
Very well said. It’s a comfort to find islands of sanity, like your channel, in a world that has gone completely insane.
@Flattyflaf
Жыл бұрын
I don’t like Russell one bit, however I firmly believe legal and criminal matters should be decided in a court of law and not in the court of public opinion. If Russell did what he is accused of he deserves to go to jail but that should be a matter for the police to handle not some strange consortium of newspapers. There is no statute of limitations for r*pe in the UK so if those woman can prove their claim they would have done so in the court of law. I don’t want our justice system to turn into a mob justice system which is what is happening.
@Threadbow
Жыл бұрын
It's not so easy to prove in a court of law. Jimmy Savile was protected by police. It's an open secret what he is in the comedian circuit Women may never work again if they took him to court . This is the 4th tv personality this year that has been Oman open secret in industry. So government are having to investigate the industry as a whole. Especially after Jimmy Savile plus numerous other presenters who were jailed in recent times, who were covered up by industry. More than 900 people in entertainment, including Dermot O’Leary, have signed an open letter calling for “an end to this culture that turns a blind eye to predators operating in plain sight”. Tip of iceburg
@Ketowski
Жыл бұрын
Excellent. The best coverage of this issue I’ve seen so far. Grateful for your questions and desire for more information before coming to any firm conclusions. It’s refreshing and a departure from the heavily polarized climate.
@aL3891_
Жыл бұрын
I'm not a fan of brand, especially recently with all the conspiracy theory stuff, but I do agree that there needs to be a proper trial.. him immediately jumping to a "the mAinsTreAM mEdiA iS ouT to get me" narrative is not a plus in my book though and makes him seem more guilty not less, but that's just like, my opinion man :)
@PeaceDweller
Жыл бұрын
You can't blame them for thinking that. These investigations started around 2019 which is when Russell started speaking out against Hollywood, Mainstream Media etc the same hands that fed him some believe now want to starve him.
@sharebunnies9381
Жыл бұрын
There's no conspiracy theories. There's a lot of corruption facts. Give him a watch
@heathertaylor8904
Жыл бұрын
As someone who has been assaulted as an adult AND as a child, i do believe there is an obligation to say who you are, excepting of course in the case that they're still minors. But i DO also understand not wanting to be linked forever with my trauma in the public mind, particularly if you're famous. But i also believe men should have the right to go through the court of law. Ive seen too many truly good men brought to throw knees over false allegations, and there really is no going back, even in the cases I've seen where they were exonerated factually. They're forever afraid, and no one compensates them for everything they lost.
@melissadiarne1118
Жыл бұрын
The Metropolitan police have received a plethora of other allegations and are investigating Brand
@Joenzetie
Жыл бұрын
This does not mean anything.....
@sweetlikechocothai
Жыл бұрын
It means something.
@melissadiarne1118
Жыл бұрын
@@Joenzetie it means you’ll get a an answer on whether the allegations can be proven or whether it’s a defamation case, and if so why? And why has this been touted as an open secret on the British comedy circuit for years if there in no truth to it. I means an awful lot to those alleged victims.
@my_neat_stuff
Жыл бұрын
In the United Kingdom, accusers of crimes of a sexual nature cannot be named in the media unless a judge rules they can, which is extremely rare. This is to ensure accusers are protected from media intrusion, abuse from other quarters, and also to avoid prejudicing any prospective jury against the accuser due to any media reporting of their past. This is a particularly serious issues and media outlets will not cross this line - in Scotland only a number of years ago a blogger was jailed for providing enough information that may identify an accuser via 'jigsaw identification', without directly naming her. I appreciate there is an international element to this case, but given how seriously this is adhered to in the UK, I wouldn't imagine these outlets ever crossing that line.
@tobymcgroby8967
Жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thank you for this!
@grahamcairns2249
Жыл бұрын
A wonderful middle ground video with some great information. Thanks for this video with information on the story, as we know and see it today. Cheers
@janetlewis5175
Жыл бұрын
I like the dog better then that pillow to. He looks much better.
@janetlee4421
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your informative commentary. I think all women, all people, should be listened to. Which, before Me Too, that was, not as prevalent. I don't think the media should be punishing Russell before the trial, but don't think Me Too should be blamed, either, as it was a historical landmark, obviously much needed, especially with all the sexism in Hollywood, as well as just about any place, or business that has alot of money and/or power. ❤The very things Russell talks about, like all the destruction to enviornment, etc., Would heal from it's core if women had equality, as they are the constructive, nurturing ones, not that men don't have that side, but are not encouraged enough to be balanced, which could help solve alot of the very problems he speaks of. Women got the vote, in U.S., in 1920, then the women's movement resurged in the 1960s, the Me Too is major, like those epic, historical changes, and should not be thrown out with the bath water because one person said all women should be believed, when the male- streamed media, someone as ignorant and disrespectful as DTs son, made a big joke out of it, and Amber heard. ❤ I feel horrible this is all happening, but u are right, we need to hear them all out, and the media needs to take responsibility for cutting off Russell, so the Me Too movement doesn't get scapegoted for that. Respectfully❤❤❤❤❤
@JakeyOhsogood
Жыл бұрын
God forbid people should be able to grow and learn as humanbeings. The argument that he's faking it is insane to me.
@BushaBandulu
Жыл бұрын
@legalbytes: Thank you for this analysis
@jameswalsh2427
Жыл бұрын
Excellent assessment and podcast thanks very much. I liked and subscribed. James J Walsh in Limerick city Ireland 🇮🇪
@gen2917
Жыл бұрын
Well done👏
@Canfam2004
Жыл бұрын
Really informative and balanced. Thank you for speaking sense in the chaos!
@Brackets_truth
Жыл бұрын
Yo, there is a lot you are ignoring here. He 100% moved on from being the guy in the interview and that change was made around the time the investigation started.also, The UK hasn't had a me too movement, that's a u.s thing. Thirdly our privacy law means that you don't have to be on the record.
@derpestarzt
Жыл бұрын
21:50 btw it's worth noting that the articles which talk about that evidence keep referring to "text mesages" but some portion of what is shown as a "text message" is referred as an "email", which is extremely confusing, so I am not sure whether this was just a mistake or whether they are combining text messages and emails into a graphic that appears to show these as a back and forth text conversation.
@sharebunnies9381
Жыл бұрын
Yes they are. They did the same thing in the tabloids with Megan and Kate. They actually made up the texts based on Harry's recollections and then artistically put them in made up screenshots.
@ronihickey9055
Жыл бұрын
Glad you have done i video I hope you continue covering this ❤
@willmitchell6521
Жыл бұрын
Why does the clip of the woman telling her story sound like an automated audio book?
@JurisKankalis
Жыл бұрын
Agree with every word. I'd go even further. There are many, many new trends happening (proliferation of various minority groups, proliferation of various race-supporters (although police killings of white people happen just as much if not more), proliferation of various environmentalist groups who see no factual reason in what they're doing but their own misunderstood self-realisation, etc, etc, etc). Sometimes - it seems - people are simply supporting this or that group (allegedly abused women in this case) - because "the times are asking them to do so" (I don't mean the newspaper Times). People support this or that - because they need to belong to this or that. They need to feel hip, woke, current, support women, support black, support various other fringe groups whose actual good faith - and good impact - on the global society as a whole - is questionable - at the very best. Most public figures - scientists, politicians, managers, public personalities - have been accused of this or that - and usually it all happens "at once". Not when the alleged infringement took place - BUT ALL AT ONCE. So Neil de Grass Tyson - who is probably some of the smartest people on on this planet - has been accused of groping a woman at his workplace. What we need to understand - is that political correctness - just for the sake of political correctness - should not be supported. These things - between a man and a woman - rarely - if ever - happen "just because the man is an ape". Yes, some percentage of us is - but we also guide our... ape activities - by clues of the opposite party. Is that woman... giving out - willingly or not - anything - that could be interpreted - as yes I will smile at you if you grab my ass? And if so - especially in an era where PC was not the first answer anyone thought of in such moment - if I do - what do I get? Do I get a smile? Do I get an angry face and the words "never ever do that again"? In case of the former - please don't make a new Me2 movement out of it - because it WAS CLEARLY CONSENSUAL - and in case of the latter (clear verbal warning) - yes, ok, sorry, my bad. What is the big deal there? Yes, this Ruseel guy looks a bit like a prick - and probably is one, to some extent or other - but one of the women in his case - had the following to say: he invited me to his room across the city late at night and when I arrived and showed no interest in him he started pressing himself onto me. BUT WHAT DID YOU THINK - being an adult woman - before you arrived to his room - LATE AT NIGHT - what did you think would happen? Playing chess? Playing UNO cards? What? Then you're going after him - years later - because your entire model of behaviour (in this case at least) is sheepish? WHY? Why create all this nonsense - when she - probably - if she expected - and wanted nothing - why did she appear in the first place? I'm not saying this shouldn't be investigated - and punished accordingly - but the entire "yes yes cancel him he abuser" - culture - just seems wrong. Thanks for your take on this - enjoy your videos and professional opinions - long-term subscriber from Latvia.
@jenniferlarsonjaylaplans
Жыл бұрын
I love how your dog is like why is this pillow in my spot, it’s got to go
@LBoytz
Жыл бұрын
This is the most reasonable commentary I’ve seen on this case in any media so far. This trend of jumping on the “culture war” band wagon with any potential legal case before investigation and adjudication have happened is really sad and frustrating. We all should care about due process, since any one of us could be accused of bad behavior at any time. I appreciate your reserving judgement and making the attempt to honestly evaluate what the evidence actually is.
@padmelotus
Жыл бұрын
Re: the text messages, if you look at the originally released images (other outlets have often cropped it), right at the bottom, it says, "Graphic: The Times and The Sunday Times". So, the original distributor of this image was not actually claiming that this was a screenshot of the conversation; just that it was a graphical represention of it. The problem with this is that a) i'd argue that this was an implied screenshot (or at the very least they should have known that people would read it as such). So, this disclaimer should have been more than small print at the bottom of the image. b) why is it not a screenshot. I'm guessing because they wanted to edit out irrelevant stuff. But, we're not told that. c) this takes us one more step away from primary sources. Not only have we got to trust the journalists that these were between Brand and this girl, but we have to trust that these texts are represented accurately. I've got to believe that the journalists are betting their careers and reputations on this stuff standing up in court, but we still need to take it on faith.
@garymclean962
Жыл бұрын
Her bias shows ..taking the middle road is always an opt out.. Russell Brand should be allowed to continue his good work .. if a court case goes against him then you know one way or another.. until then he's innocent
@kevinroyall8829
Жыл бұрын
I'm loving the pooch. You can tell a lot about the owner by their dog. Ahhh how sweet x
@miketomlin6040
Жыл бұрын
If you watched his utube channel you would hopefully deduce the dishonest or naive, or a combination of, approach to Socio Economics. He identifies as a Left Libertarian concerned about economic inequalities, but spends more time attacking the centre right-Democrats, than far right- Republicans. Both are horrendous from a Left Liberatian vista but the Republicans keener on there being more economic inequality than the Democrats. This is why he is widely seen as a 'sheeple grifter' and his support base being mostly Republicans now!!
@sharebunnies9381
Жыл бұрын
He's a tree hugging hippy. Take out the American politics. There's corruption everywhere
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