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@csolisr
9 ай бұрын
That reminds me, is there a serious competitive Raid Shadow Legends PVP scene?
@DriverOfTheBlades
9 ай бұрын
Dont even bother with raid, it's a shitty mobile game made to drain your wallet
@quentc
9 ай бұрын
@@DriverOfTheBladesoh you can play for free its just a lame grind fest that isn't worth even the time it asks of you to get log-in bonuses
@Jesussaves852
9 ай бұрын
Jesus loves you and may God bless you
@ningold8415
9 ай бұрын
Raid use vacuum You pokemon is alright but he loose all his money with his trainer It’s extremely effective You and your team are now poor
@marshall161
9 ай бұрын
Gholdengo would not be so meta defining if pursuit existed to punish it every time it comes in to block your rapid spins.
@enoyna1001
9 ай бұрын
True
@Mepphy99
9 ай бұрын
Tytar takes a lot from make It Rain, Gambit has 4mss tho now Scizor and Weavile? man, Gen 9 could have been a decent meta but Gamefreak couldn't probably fix bugs
@majintv24
9 ай бұрын
Gotta worry abot focus vlast but theres also the tera optiom now so pursuit might not be as crazy
@singingcrow439
9 ай бұрын
@majintv24 true, but that still solves the hazard problem, because ghold can't spinblock if it's no longer a ghost type.
@Eros1078
9 ай бұрын
Funny how in NatDex Ghold is banned 💀
@MaahirMomtaz12
9 ай бұрын
On one hand Pursuit's departure made Ghost and Psychic types a lot better. On the other hand, imagine if Kingambit had Pursuit since its pre-evolutions had it in past gens. 🥶
@rjante2236
9 ай бұрын
It still wouldn't get banned
@Labyrinth6000
9 ай бұрын
Gamefreak has always given unfair attention to Psychic types their whole existence. 🙄
@MrZahsome
9 ай бұрын
@@Labyrinth6000 Yeah, like introducing dark types and steel types right and the totally insane amounts of physical psychic attacks too right? Lmao
@TheQuasarDragon1706
9 ай бұрын
@@MrZahsomethey add those type Precisely because they made a completely unbalanced type with no weaknesses
@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838
9 ай бұрын
@@rjante2236it’s banned in nat dex which lets u rock z moves, megas, dex cut guys, dex cut movepools: gliscor still got roost, pex still has knock, scald. Some more goofy Shi like KLEAVOR getting pursuit. Gambit did too. So they decided to cutt gambit. Now if u want it’s evio bisharp or Ttar as “cool guy that pursuits stuff” and then they were like damn pult and gholdengo too strong now. Hmmmm I wonder why.
@ryukthedarkrai4259
9 ай бұрын
My current tinfoil hat theory is that they removed Pursuit solely for Dragapult’s sake
@loganmcadoo1271
9 ай бұрын
As a pault main I appreciate this choice by game freak
@peterzakaria7711
9 ай бұрын
@@loganmcadoo1271how on earth does one main dragapult?
@loganmcadoo1271
9 ай бұрын
@@peterzakaria7711 Tera dragon choice band darts goes hard when you build around it
@loganmcadoo1271
9 ай бұрын
@peterzakaria7711 but it's so versatile that I started using in in Gen 8 and still have so many sets to use in Gen 9
@Karsow2054
9 ай бұрын
@@loganmcadoo1271And as someone who likes fun I hope they bring it back
@CaptainJLinebeck
9 ай бұрын
Fun fact about Pursuit: It hits Pokemon switching out using moves like U Turn and Volt Switch. But not Baton Pass.
@devinator9582
9 ай бұрын
That is a fun fact.
@Werelight
9 ай бұрын
Baton Pass: the worst idea ever had.
@lazybones8962
9 ай бұрын
Baton pass is ridiculous honestly, I've seen some stuff@@Werelight
@timmyreobed5043
9 ай бұрын
Gamefreak moment
@1peidu
9 ай бұрын
OGs remember Nastypass celebi rain in Gen 5 so thund T could delete every mon in the game
@SYKim_94
9 ай бұрын
If the removal of HP and Pursuit was insane, imagine if they did the same with stealth rock.
@A3STH3T1CS
9 ай бұрын
they'll never remove stealth rock because it's good for vgc
@Maximum432
9 ай бұрын
Don't get my hopes up.
9 ай бұрын
Imagine what gen 9 OU would look like if Gholdengo was banned.
@ShinyTillDawn
9 ай бұрын
Kellen has a vid on that
@nolongeraperson
9 ай бұрын
Man, now that would be a good competitive scene.
@SpaceDetectiveTravis
9 ай бұрын
If Pursuit returns: Tyranitar: * while clinging onto the ceiling* I got you now, Gengar!
@@AgsmaJustAgsma *cuts to every ghost type fleeing for their lives while being pursued by T-Tar and Weavile.
@JJBeauregard1
9 ай бұрын
Pokemon and Age of Empires were the first games to blow my mind about how differently they're played in a competitive setting. What seemed useless in a casual playthrough was suddenly mandatory and downright broken when playing vs other human players. I don't know why but that was so baffling to me back then.
@AlexaRobin21
9 ай бұрын
The most used move in official tournaments is Protect.
@natnew32
9 ай бұрын
Mario + Rabbids this happens too. Freeze is an aggressively mediocre super effect in story mode, but it's actually amazing in Versus mode because so many more characters have strong techniques that they rely on & attacking is harder than using a technique due to mechanical changes. Icy Peach being a really strong character in her own right certainly helps. It's not mandatory but it's certainly much better. Scaredy Rabbid is a similar story, went from a decent ability stuck on a meh character to a staple on defensive teams.
@hifuu1383
9 ай бұрын
@@natnew32Competitive Mario vs Rabbids? That actually sounds so cool
@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63
9 ай бұрын
Learning smash bros it was crazy to learn that heavyweights are bad in competitive. Ganondorf is crazy scary to fight but he's considered the worst character in brawl, sm4sh, and ultimate.
@Thefallenpea
9 ай бұрын
care to elaborate? I'm interested to listen to whatever things are bad on singleplayer age of empire?
@shatteredsentient5321
9 ай бұрын
It would have been funny if they brought pursuit back, but only Spidops can use it.
@mr.penguindrewmateo8146
9 ай бұрын
Video title: Pursuit Spidops destroys (insert tier here)
@Blanktester685
9 ай бұрын
Pu tier
@shatteredsentient5321
9 ай бұрын
@@Blanktester685 tera dark Pursuit Spidops bussin' with Stakeout uOu
@RadicalKingJames
9 ай бұрын
You joke but extremely limiting the distribution of pursuit could be one way to reintroduce it. They limited how many Pokémon get scald as a balancing measure (for better or for worse).
@snuffysam
9 ай бұрын
Wasn’t Hidden Power a signature move of Unown in BDSP?
@niki75
9 ай бұрын
The fact that a Focus Miss coming off of a Mega Alakazam and it's base 175 SpA only dealing 50% to a Tyranitar speaks how disgustingly bulky T-tar can be with AV, Sand and SpD investment... That is just gross.
@egekahraman8985
9 ай бұрын
on one hand the removal of pursuit made ghost and psychic types way better but on the other hand it made ghost and psychic types way better so kind of a mixed bag imo
@skotiaH2O
9 ай бұрын
Psychic types are still bad but Ghosts are broken now
@Oreca2005
9 ай бұрын
Honestly wished it stayed Armarouge is so annoying
@Frostbyte115
9 ай бұрын
@@Oreca2005 It's really not even that bad.
@dbt4869
9 ай бұрын
@@skotiaH2Opsychic types are not bad dude what the hell are you talking about?
@azeria1
9 ай бұрын
@@dbt4869they are the type itself sucks the good psychic types are good in spite of being psychic
@Fancy_Lebowski
9 ай бұрын
See, I find moves like Pursuit interesting because before I started getting into Competitive Pokemon I always wrote the move off as just a weak Dark move. Seeing how it's actually supposed to be used for switches has made me appreciate it over time.
@shawnli4746
9 ай бұрын
Problem with CPUs is that they never switch unless it's impossible for them to hit you. Instead, they spam double team and luck is always on their side. Good luck in the battle tower lol
@khoderergin9816
9 ай бұрын
Hidden power was always odd to me. But nerving pursuit instead of removing it completely, would have made more sense. Especially when Pokémon have regenerator
@girlweird833
9 ай бұрын
You know you can edit your comments, right?
@khoderergin9816
9 ай бұрын
@@girlweird833 to be honest….. no 😂
@OMalleyTheMaggot
9 ай бұрын
Pursuit never needed to be nerfed, it was never overpowered.
@skotiaH2O
9 ай бұрын
Hidden Power was probably removed because of broken interactions with Dynamax
@Zthewise
9 ай бұрын
Oddly when the 'Buffed' it to base 65 that was an indirect nerf to Technician users.
@AIDcyt
9 ай бұрын
I like what they did with the 2 best moves in the game - Scald & Knock Off by reducing the amount of Pokémon that can learn it So maybe giving Pursuit to mons that make sense, Like Weavile, Mabosstiff, Staraptor etc Tyranitar does also make sense with Pursuit
@saadabdullah3225
9 ай бұрын
Tyranitar without pursuit is straight ass. To be fair, it'd still be straight ass even with pursuit in gen 9
@aliayberkin9793
9 ай бұрын
We going back to OU with this one ‼️‼️‼️
@tomorrowlimit6999
9 ай бұрын
they should give it to bisharp, but not to kingambit maybe force the move to change into a regular dark physical attack on evolving it would give bisharp a nice niche with defiant and a swords dance eviolite set, capable of trapping gholdengo, while not breaking gambit I also think they should do that to knock off. Gambit does not deserve knock off
@donovanchilton5817
9 ай бұрын
@@tomorrowlimit6999What a brain-numbingly stupid opinion.
@Tomy_Lightning
9 ай бұрын
Yeah didn't they make so that greninja doesn't get scald anymore being it's best move since water shuriken is not consistent enough you if you hit all five times it's a 75 base power move on a +1 priority move (scald is 80 and doesn'thave priority) bust 70% of the time you'll only get 30-45 (35% for either base power) base power and sure it can deal with sash or sturdy pokemon but it's not even a guarantee to k.o. with 30-45 base power sure there is a 30% chance to get 60-75 base power (15% for either of the base power) meaning it's not very reliable same as all of the multi-hit moves but it gets the edge because it's 100% accurate and a priority move and other options are water pulse and surf with water pulse having only 60 base power with a chance to confuse and surf which has 90 base power but no secondary effect so pick your poison.
@ryangeorge2280
9 ай бұрын
The thumbnails for this channel are S+ tier. Whoever does the art deserves some serious recognition
@philbert4398
9 ай бұрын
Gotta love how the thumbnail and title were genuinely enough to say “oh, this is a video about pursuit”
@1_KingDom
9 ай бұрын
Hate to say it but I suspect the main reason things like HP and pursuit were scrapped is cause VGC is the official format and what GF seems to balance for (reasons dmax felt so OP in singles compared to it being tamer in doubles). Pursuit was about as used there as stuff like barrage. Hidden power was really just an entry barrier since it requires specific IV combinations. Soft resetting for 0atk and/or 0 speed is bad enough but trying to roll a specific HP type and 0 IV(s), pain
@Kxngpraise
9 ай бұрын
Honestly I saw Tyranitar in the Thumbnail and immediately knew it was about Pursuit lol
@djmike679
9 ай бұрын
I understand hidden power, because it was super unintitive on which one you got, and at one point, they were depending on dvs or ivs, and varied in base power. I don't really understand pursuit though so maybe this video will clear that up
@Labyrinth6000
9 ай бұрын
That’s the whole point of hidden power. It’s a mystery random type move that you have to figure out how to work with it. It gave pokemon that can only learn a few type moves an opportunity to use a random, unrelated type move.
@djmike679
9 ай бұрын
@Labyrinth6000 yea but the argument to be had there is there are some Pokémon who also couldn't take advantage of it because they would get a similar stab attack. Like, having a stab ghost attack, and getting hidden dark
@brothatsucks
9 ай бұрын
@@Labyrinth6000the problem in guessing which hidden power they had(was mostly fighting ice fire and rock). Was super annoying aspecially cause physical attackera had nothing like it. Plus caused a lot of issues for example most legendaries couldn't even get the needed hidden power cause they had 4 perfect ivs.
@GravityIsFalling
9 ай бұрын
It’s because it had no use in play throughs, VGC, idk about BSS, and it caused bugs
@MrZahsome
9 ай бұрын
And before gen 4, Hidden Power used to also depend on the typing itself too because it could be physical/special depending on the typing compared to now where it's all special. Of course we eventually got Tera Blast, which most can agree is just as good if not better of a replacement for it. Rip Pursuit though.
@joekewl7539
9 ай бұрын
Im half convinced you guys are just making up new theorems and essays solely to make more thumbnail memes. This is a compliment, btw.
@leaffinite2001
7 күн бұрын
For all but the very first one, yes. I think the rampardos theorem? Was actually said before they made a video on it
@thatman666
9 ай бұрын
_Pursuit no longer exists._ *Psychic & Ghost:* We’re no longer in danger?
@michaelbrooks9474
9 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this thumbnail, whoever the artist is please keep it up! You're amazing just like this series!
@CyberKnightProbably
9 ай бұрын
Losing pursuit has been a major loss in competitive play. The fact Tyranitar lost its trapping ability has made it really awkward to use now, especially during early Gen 9 OU, when it just started out against a majority of the Pesudos. What is Pursuit gonna kill other than ghosts? It’s not a broken, almighty move, but it served as pressure for using ghosts and Psychic, if you saw Tyranitar on a team, your obviously going to think twice before you bring out your major sweeper, it helped force critical thinking than just spamming ghost STAB.
@Frostbyte115
9 ай бұрын
I feel you missed the part of the video that explains that they were using it on WEAK, resisted mon. It started to just be good chip damage. It wasn't too hard to see that it very much being used by anything that could use it effectively.. YES TTar was great with it.. But if it's doing good work on even neutral hits and is just dropping mons down to add to chip damage? It's starting to overstep a use. It even mentions being used on Black Kyurem which is kinda funny because everyone fixates on Ghost and Psychic and doesn't fixate on ANY other points made.
@ranzerzzx
9 ай бұрын
@@Frostbyte115 Counter to that I think it would be still be justified in the sense as that there were no reliable hazard remover in the meta where black kyurem chipping(gen5) was a big problem to everybody specially with perma weather and when added with pursuit it was absolutely terrifing how much damage you could stack. But, In the recent meta with the plethora of defoggers and reliable harzard removal than just rapid spin(in gen 6-7) pursuit maintained the "ecosystem" of ghosts and psychics very well and removed that damage stacking a lot as it was no where of a problem as it was before (removal of perma weather also counts) while also managing the hazard removal problem against ghost types which we see in the generation we do now and in gen 5 with the removal of defogs with many mons and ghosts types running around. Defensively, the types such as ghost and psychic are not the best but when accounted offensively they have the most spammable attacks with stab than any other type being second to ground type earthquake-electic thunderbolt maybe making it very easy to steam roll. Most psychics and ghosts also get the added benifit of having good coverage too and without pursuit you can see what's happening right now. yes pursuit was actually kinda really good than necessary at some point but it was never out of bounds even in gen 5 as it was required to keep lati and the gang at check. It could still be played around and good usage of pursuit required heavy prediction which could in turn lose you your pursuiter in the hands of kyurem and even lati. It was a double edge sword in a sense. It provided a play around powerhouses mons where it could chip off something even like landorus but that chipping was no where near the level it was mentioned in the video with normal Ou mons it showed a very specific pokemons which are you guessed it are powerhouses which are frail glass cannon type mons like weavile and stuff. On the overall scale chipping with pursuit was not nearly as big of a problem you point it out to be because it good chips accounted on a very specific "situations" and the point you're making kinda cherry picks that specially in the newer generation. The point your stating is part of the reason why pursuit was so great but not a defining factor of why pursuit was so good. Its very use was to keep these threats offensive threats from turbo blazing through your entire team which it did very well. Consequently most of those offensive threats happen to also be quite frail and as a result you have that and when it's coming off of choice banded tyranitar which has stab ofc it's gonna do a lot. Also, Viewing it as the only "psychic/ghost" counter is very disingenious for what it does and is added for imo. On the bigger picture it absolutely helped paint the game to be more complex and brought variation in gameplay with less steam rolls as it punshied people for making mistakes. It was a very good example of a good move doing what it was suppposed to in gen 6-7 meta specifically with the problem of gen 5 being removed.
@victory8928
9 ай бұрын
People keep forgetting that dark is an excellent offensive type. When you get 80bp priority move on switching mons you can dish a lot of damage
@enderstrikegaming8578
9 ай бұрын
I think there's one, huge thing that would change drastically if pursuit was still in gen 9, and that's god damn Gholdengo. He currently has a stranglehold on the meta game, and it's not because he himself is broken, he's honestly just a really good pokemon with some great stats and a great ability, but he isn't crazy powerful. We've had and currently have stronger pokemon in OU for sure. The problem is that there's a ton of good, reliable, viable hazard setters and almost nothing has defog anymore. The hazard setters just consistently, always 100% of the time lay down hazards and Gholdengo will not let any of the 3 viable hazard removers get rid of them. Tusk and Excadrill have to play crazy mind games to beat the air balloon set, Cinderace is threatened a ton by strong special attacks in general, not to mention if it uses court change with libero it becomes a normal type and is therefore super threatened by a super effective focus blast, and Corviknight can't even hurt dengo at all. You know what would change this? Pursuit! If pursuit was in the game, Ting-Lu or Roaring moon or Hisuian Samurott or TYRANITAR could not only threaten, but just murder Gholdengo. Tar would be forced to run an Assault vest set, but he'd get the job done, and then suddenly the hazard removers can actually DO THEIR JOB. This, or simply giving more pokemon pursuit again like Landorous or Tornadus or Zapdos would solve the entire hazard stacking problem we currently have. It's absurd how much we need pursuit right now.
@overlord3481
9 ай бұрын
samurott would much rather spam ceaseless edge than use pursuit ngl. but yeah, gholdengo cringe
@enderstrikegaming8578
9 ай бұрын
@@overlord3481 Simply having access to pursuit would be enough. It's enough to make Gholdengo question even switching in the first place, if they get double switched with a samurott they're just completely screwed. Don't switch, probably die to ceaseless edge. Switch, and you die to Pursuit. Scarf Samurott is already a pretty common option, now it would be even better cause it outspeed Dengo by 1 point.
@bryanc1772
9 ай бұрын
Idk the hazard game problem was overall created by Gamefreak not Gholdengo When you remove a large majority of Defog users and give 70 percent of Pokemon spikes , and distribute rapid spin so little then yea hazards are always gunna be a problem Even Garchomp got spikes this gen it’s nuts
@enderstrikegaming8578
9 ай бұрын
@@bryanc1772 That's exactly what I'm saying! I really hate when people are so fast to go "Gholdengo broken!! Gholdengo broken huurrrr durr, can't remove the hazards cause of him!!11!" when it's clearly not just Gholdengo's fault. Dengo is not overwhelming or overbearing, it's not like he's mowing through teams or anything, it's just that we have no options to remove hazards at all, and there's a load of good hazard setters now, which is exactly what I said in the original comment. Even if we did ban Gholdengo, that still only leaves us with like 4 viable hazard removers, which is so few someone could literally prepare a specific mon just to beat each of them, which is absurd.
@marshallgaming4422
9 ай бұрын
I disagree with bringing pursuit back. While it would help with goldengo and ghost types in general, it would also negatively impact the viability of physic types which already aren’t good. There needs to be another type that resists ghost. Also Golds ability is broken and limits counter-play to an unhealthy level. Maybe if defog wasn’t a targeted move hazards could actually be manageable. I’m probably an outlier but pursuit and hidden power being removed was a great change for the game.
@Primarina.
9 ай бұрын
Honchkrow was my favorite Pursuit user! it was my little Trump card/Ace. With its moxie ability and moves like Sucker Punch, Pursuit, Superpower, bravebird, it was huge mind game threat and snowballed out of control as a late game sweeper. my most memorable moment was beating a team full of legendaries 1-6 when things weren’t looking great . I miss pursuit 😭
@StrongestCoward
9 ай бұрын
My baby also packed Heat Wave to delete Ferrothorn and Scizor without having to take all this Brave Bird damage, in exchange for the meager life orb's recoil one. Honchcrow used to be a menace in USUM.
@Primarina.
9 ай бұрын
@@StrongestCoward lol so truee! no one expects a Sp.Atk move from a honchkrow XD
@netweed09
9 ай бұрын
Well yeah, Pursuit was completely broken: ie - to the point that near total Novices can wreck face. So hence it's bannage.
@doma3554
9 ай бұрын
Using the naked Spongebob meme as an homage for the thumbnail is so funny. :D
@Juli_is_Online
9 ай бұрын
Great Spongebob references in the thumbnail lol
@connorrowe8787
9 ай бұрын
I think a video in the opposite direction would be really interesting. What impact has buffing moves like knock off and rapid spin had on the metagame?
@SuperlexPlays
9 ай бұрын
*You have me inspired to start making vids.* Much love and major props to you False swipe 😙😗
@KoKo-sk4ed
9 ай бұрын
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@singingcrow439
9 ай бұрын
Ghost has definitely become one of the best types in the game since gen 8, almost solely because of the removal of pursuit. I woild even say it's offensively better than dragon, since they both only got one resist and one immunity, but the types that defensively handle ghost (normal and dark) are not as common as dragon's (steel and fairy).
@Frostbyte115
9 ай бұрын
I feel that's more because we haven't had GOOD dark moves to compensate. Dark Pulse just isn't good enough for special attackers and 80BP is only good when it's backed by a positive effect. Knock off is good because it removes items and when it does it's 130bp.. Crunch can drop defense and flinch but it's not a great stab move for physical dark types but it's better than Dark Pulse.. Sucker punch is mainly used because it's a priority move but they knocked it's bp down some so it's eh. It's priority carries it. More dark mons would be good and more and slightly stronger dark moves would be better. We got Darkrai in OU and he is not exactly doing crazy much without a different ability or them just.. buffing Dark void back up some..
@20oxide36
9 ай бұрын
You also realize just how much better it is than Dragon when you realize Ghost's only immunity and resist share the same weakness, meaning you only need one moveslot to cover both... of course only to later realize that your only option for such a move loses you the game 30% of the time...
@leaffinite2001
7 күн бұрын
@Frostbyte115 more like dark moves havent been massively power crept like everything else the last few years
@chrismaystar3014
9 ай бұрын
I got into Competitive in Gen 8 and was surprised when Tyranitar got results but not as consistently as I was told. Now I know why.
@luckyrapidflower
9 ай бұрын
I think it would have been interesting if they replaced Pursuit with a similar Normal or Dragon type move.
@Regeor
9 ай бұрын
For me it’s just that move that a random wild Pokémon uses the one turn you wanna switch.
@the_bookworm8281
9 ай бұрын
Shoutouts to Dragapult being banned in both gen 8 & 9 National Dex tiers despite Pursuit existing in those tiers. Ghostium Z goes brrrrrrr.
@ProfessorChad0570
9 ай бұрын
I'm gonna use Pursuit the like button for this video over and over.
@abscinding
9 ай бұрын
Shlopping on that double shaboingboing on maximum overdrive with no seatbelt.
@brokenbutterbagels
9 ай бұрын
@@abscinding sometimes you gotta think twice before hitting enter
@lazybones8962
9 ай бұрын
@@abscindingit's not too late to delete this bro
@AwesomeHairo
9 ай бұрын
Nice English there.
@HelterwithoutSkelter
9 ай бұрын
@@abscindingcook.
@MaxiemumKarnage
9 ай бұрын
Pursuit? Too strong, delete it. Stealth Rock? Fair and fun!
@MajinBuddha
9 ай бұрын
That thumbnail is wonderful
@victourso
9 ай бұрын
Kingambit Pursuit would probably be insane
@Pishooter
9 ай бұрын
It got banned in nat dex mostly because of this (knock off helped too)
@selectioncrescimento
9 ай бұрын
Im almost sure the addition of tera blast was a way to make up for the loss of hidden power, even if they arent exactly the same thing
@DarkShaman667
9 ай бұрын
Scald is also a brutal move, now only a few pokes have access to it. Steath Rock was insane too, before Heavy-Duty Boots became a thing.
@MidnightEmpress32
9 ай бұрын
Love the choice of music. Pokemon coliseum music is some of my favorite songs. That said I do not completely agree with the notion that pursuit was healthy for the meta game. Now do not get me wrong that it was good for what it did but few seem to look at the other side. For mons that had weak defenses or ghost/psychic types it caused way more damage to their viability making it more like putting them in an arena trap. If you stayed in you either die to low health, do little to no damage if you was choiced, or you sacrificed a piece for nothing as your mon would die anyway to the move or give them a chance to predict you staying in to use a healing move or booster. This hurt these mons as while strong in what they could do it made them borderline useless the second a pursuit mon came in. As for hidden power I feel it was removed as it was getting reworked for unknown.
@spartacusthememelord6890
9 ай бұрын
The thumbnail: I understood that reference.
@Jordan13299
9 ай бұрын
Imo Pursuit as a concept should probably be normal type. Pursuit’s removal helped Psychic a lot which they needed but in turn Ghost ended up busted. (Albeit the Steel resistance removal didn’t help that)
@leaffinite2001
7 күн бұрын
...if it was a normal move it wouldnt do anything to ghosts.
@chaselowell4567
9 ай бұрын
Ok being real as a move I kind of hate pursuit and hidden power both. I personally found them very annoying competitively particularly hidden power for giving Pokémon any coverage only if they were special attackers.
@Croutonking65
9 ай бұрын
To me, the removal of moves hurt more than Dexit. Some underused and redundant moves being axed were warranted, but unique moves like these being cut hurts.
@uberculex
9 ай бұрын
Why do you hate psychic types so much?
@azurai3934
9 ай бұрын
Yeah like at least makes those bad moves more viable, like if constrict was 40 BP with a 30% chance to lower speed and barrage was 25 power. Still bad moves but now they have some more utility.
@punkysnarks
9 ай бұрын
Poor Vespiquen. All her healing moves gone.
@dmv99
9 ай бұрын
dexit didn't hurt lol you can't have every pokemon in the game. I never understood why these babies cried about it... yet still bought the game. NO pokemon game has every pokemon from all 9 gens in it... so if the complaint is every pokemon not being available, NO game has every pokemon available.. so by that logic, people should be complaining about EVERY pokemon game...
@Bird_in_a_Trenchcoat
9 ай бұрын
@@dmv99 i kind of get it cause you could still transfer in all 900 pokemon from previous games up until gen 8, but on the other hand who's trying to bring in their unown or illumise anyway. dexit still just makes sense it was definitely way overblown
@zjmullan
5 ай бұрын
My favorite fact about Tyranitar is that he could only get pursuit through breeding. The move that you me and many others consider a tar staple was a move he would never learn naturally
@ChaddyFantome
9 ай бұрын
I personally hate Hidden Power on a conceptual level, both on terms of what it does and how you get access to it, as well as its interaction with moveset and coverage it creates for sets in competitive.
@sketchydude8431
9 ай бұрын
While I do agree, I also think it can be balanced depending on the gen Especially Gen 3, since depending on the pokemon, you have to make sacrifices for specific hidden powers. Like Skarmory could take on Magneton by using Hidden Power Ground and attack investment, but at the cost of being worst at being Skarmory. That, and honestly HP never beat anything on its own, as it's a weak move. So even if something like HP Grass Tyranitaur could beat Swampert, they can't beat them head on without getting an attack in on the switch.
@ChaddyFantome
9 ай бұрын
@sketchydude8431 it's nice to say that, but in practice, the mons that usually run hidden power don't run it as a flex. They run it as a staple. And playing around hidden power is stupid in many respects since there isn't any real playing aroundnit beyond just kbowing its a staple on a specific pokemon in general. I just find it's too much of a get out of jail free card. Gen 3 only kinda gets away with it since most Pokemon's movesets were still crawling out of the RBY/GSC Era where nothing had coverage to speak of. But now HP feels like a way to remove the weakness of certain mons who should feel like they have some trade-off.
@ZoharHayun
8 ай бұрын
I am happy Tyranitar is back in UU and gets a niche in OU' watching out for the T tar comeback.
@doorto6152
9 ай бұрын
I imagine Gen 9 would adapt to pursuit by using defensive Tera’s to avoid being weak to the move
@robin4762
9 ай бұрын
If you did, you could no longer spinblock with ghost types, so at least there's a drawback
@Frostbyte115
9 ай бұрын
Not really,.. people use it for chip. The video showed it too.@@robin4762
@DiegoG2004
9 ай бұрын
Oh no, a ghost or psychic type! *clicks Pursuit* Aaanyway. Now: oh no, a ghost type, where is my normal type.
@BestgirlJordanfish
9 ай бұрын
Though I’ll miss Pursuit, I think removing Hidden Power was the right move. Being any type made special attackers a bit too flexible and frustrating, and breeding or adjusting for the perfect HP was just a poor mechanic. Moving forward I think they can rework it to be “Normal” type, but use the legacy of the Stellar type, or a Psychic move that is always neutral in effectiveness, ignoring the opponent’s type. Reduce the availability and I think there can be mechanical ideas to make unown kinda funny
@BlazingCyberKnight95
9 ай бұрын
Gengar after Gen 7: Hey! Your pursuits are fake!
@GrayscaleCanvas
9 ай бұрын
I wonder how good single-strike Urshifu would be with pursuit.
@Brambrew
9 ай бұрын
I love how the thumbnail art is a SpongeBob reference
@pn7857
9 ай бұрын
Will be looking forward to the hidden power video.
@bassman9261995
3 ай бұрын
We need more pursuit-style moves. A fighting pursuit would help keep Incineroar in check
@Blitz.Beetle
9 ай бұрын
My guess is they removed Pursuit due the official singles format being 3v3. Switching is way more limited, and Pursuit chip damage stacking hurts way more in a 3v3 game than a 6v6 one
@HelterwithoutSkelter
9 ай бұрын
theres an official singles format?
@Blitz.Beetle
9 ай бұрын
@@HelterwithoutSkelter yeah, it's in game too. It's more popular in Japan tho, but that's also most likely the reason they focused on that since it's a Japanese game. Whenever there's a random change that might seem weird, remember GF mainly focus their balance changes in doubles 4v4 and singles 3v3
@goodmorninggent6847
9 ай бұрын
Honestly I think they just couldn’t code it in especially with Dynamax being the upcoming generational gimmick. Gamefreak is notoriously mid when it comes to programming and I can only imagine that pursuit by nature is a programming nightmare (see Acid Rain)
@Blitz.Beetle
9 ай бұрын
@@goodmorninggent6847 but then it would have returned as a move in the current Gen with no dynamax. Unless it's brought back next gen, then it's most likely Gamefreak doesn't want the move to exist again
@majintv24
9 ай бұрын
Something fun to consider is that if you terastallized into a dark type your pursuit would be boosted to 60 bp. This is boosted after technician so you dont get to 60 then boosted more. The only issue would be if it gets boosted to 80 on a switching pokemon or 120 but id assume 80 as it becomes a priority increased move on a switching mon and that doesnt get the boost to 60 effect
@Frostbyte115
9 ай бұрын
What are you talking about? Technician boosts moves that are 60BP or less.. doesn't boost moves to 60bp.. I don't know where multiple people are getting this from..
@majintv24
9 ай бұрын
@@Frostbyte115 so when a pokemon teras into a type any move of that type they have thats below 60 base power thats neither multi hit nor increased priority will be stealth boosted to 60 bp but this is after technician boosts a move so if technician boosts to over 60 then the teras stealth boost doesnt mayter
@SaraphDarklaw
9 ай бұрын
Pursuit was one of the most baffling changes to ever occur.
@hamsandwich9024
9 ай бұрын
0:44 "it's" doesn't need an apostrophe
@tktyga77
9 ай бұрын
If you said that two moves had that kind of impact, then what is the other move (assuming that won't be covered next)? Also, how much would the Ttar line appreciate having Accelerock?
@gugg2216
9 ай бұрын
Stab priority would allow ttar to safely finish off many pokemon. Pretty wild idea to think about.
@EAtheatreguy
5 ай бұрын
Pursuit was a move with a high skill ceiling and a lot of utility, but that's not how I remember using it. Ran assault vest alolan muk in gen 7 UU for the sole purpose of countering latias. I see latias, I switch muk in, I spam pursuit, latias dies.
@andrew1435
9 ай бұрын
What I'm curious about is why you didn't refer to the national dex formats at all in this video. Gen 8 and Gen 9 National dex formats on Showdown have pursuit still and can provide some insight to how the meta would have been. Not perfectly of course since there are still megas and such but a decent one. Interestingly, in gen 9 national dex, Ursaluna was banned because you would just pursuit the ghosts types that could block it and then go on a rampage. Also, you would think Gholdengo wouldn't be so meta defining if it pursuit existed but it was actually banned as well. In the hidden power video, you really should refer to the national dex meta.
@kanauso3706
9 ай бұрын
5 videos in one month... The best Christmas gift ever.
@pacoramon9468
9 ай бұрын
Signal Beam being eliminated still hurts, it was the best special bg type coverage.
@alexcahill8926
9 ай бұрын
Nice to see different battle backgrounds used in the examples! And Gen III GBA screens too!
@deaondre-fs4tz
9 ай бұрын
Nothing was more satisfying than bamboozleing your opponent with hidden power
@ediizzy6641
9 ай бұрын
Thumbnail artist has my utmost respect for this one🤝💀
@14lamnc1
9 ай бұрын
I’m guessing hidden power was removed due to Gamefreak’s vision on Terastallising in Gen 9. But I guess they could’ve kept it in Gen 8 before removing it in Gen 9.
@35.tucongtan64
9 ай бұрын
Hidden power + Dynamax is broken , especially HP Flying / HP Fighting
@14lamnc1
9 ай бұрын
@@35.tucongtan64 oh true
@enoyna1001
9 ай бұрын
@@35.tucongtan64It probably would have stayed Normal type for the purpose of Dynamax.
@deeznoots6241
9 ай бұрын
It was removed due to programming issues it caused
@CyberchaoX
9 ай бұрын
I forget, how did it interact with Z-Crystals? Did it always use Normallium Z and turn into Breakneck Blitz? Or did it turn into its corresponding move? ...Oh, right, Z-Moves were _just_ boosted in power; they didn't have the bonus effects that Max moves did. So it was fine giving any Pokémon any Z-Move. Anyway, yeah, I definitely feel that they took it out to deal with the issues it caused with Dynamax, failed to re-add it outside of Unown (who needed it because it has no other moves) in BDSP because they didn't yet realize that they were going to force Pokémon to game-specific movesets when coming from Home and were afraid of HP mons from BDSP making it into SwSh, and then replaced it with Tera Blast for Gen 9, which is just plain superior anyway--it's stronger, it works equally well for physical or special attackers (and it takes both your attacking stats and your foe's defensive stats into account so even special attackers will usually hit Chansey for physical damage), and it's balanced by forcing your Tera. When Tera inevitably gets discarded, maybe they'll bring Hidden Power back, but probably with changes to make HP type customizable the way Tera type currently is.
@netweed09
9 ай бұрын
There was one point in gen 5 where I'd rock in with at least 3 or even 4 Fighting types. Conkeldurr, Keldeo, Breloom and Lucario were my usual choices. They brought in their 'Pursuit game' , I brought in my ''Surrrprisee, Lol''s.
@Epzilon12
9 ай бұрын
Pursuit had a lot of weird glitches associated it with it over the years. from Acid rain, to at least 1 weird DC in an older version of Sun and moon. It makes sense to remove when it keeps having issues. Part of me thinks they also wanted some of the new ghost and psychic types to be strong in gen 8 so pursuit got the axe and the glitches were an excuse. In addition, the pursuit trap could easily be seen as really unfair, as its kind of a "gottem GGs moment". Pursuit would have had become even better had they only removed hidden power, given less random HP fighting coverage.
@anyonemgsg456
9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@hppern3971
9 ай бұрын
Basic issue is that Ghost is the undisputed best offensive type atm, and removing Pursuit massively exacerbating that issue.
@Epzilon12
9 ай бұрын
FWIW, I like pursuit, but I understand the reasons they *may* have had for its removal.@@anyonemgsg456
@Epzilon12
9 ай бұрын
I agree that ghost is crazy. Immune to trapping and removal of pursuit makes them surprisingly evasive and annoying to deal with at times. @@hppern3971
@Aravaganthus
9 ай бұрын
Maybe learn to code better instead of gutting your game
@tntblaster137
9 ай бұрын
Pursuit: the move that exists and makes ghost and psychic types either ubers or uu and below
@Labyrinth6000
9 ай бұрын
Why couldn’t it be Stealth Rock? I think the introduction of that one move truly changed the meta game more than any other move ever introduced. Also I’m surprised there isn’t a physical version of Hidden power.
@denny8422
9 ай бұрын
yeah... stealth rock was never removed. the video is about impactful moves that are gone, the effects of which are obvious and felt everywhere
@MaahirMomtaz12
9 ай бұрын
Tera Blast is the new Hidden Power
@DiabloTommaso
9 ай бұрын
if you think about it pursuit in a vacuum is a move with no drawbacks.... if you are in position it s a ko with no counterplay. hp imo was gone for limiting general coverage but can be back now that the are open strategies
@IosLocarth
9 ай бұрын
@@theeggmeister9650 @denny8422 Pretty sure they meant why didnt they remove stealth rock
@uberculex
9 ай бұрын
What would the new heavy duty boots work on if stealth rock was removed?
@wahbucket501
9 ай бұрын
I’d love to see a video like this for Pre-Nerf explosion
@floatingf8783
9 ай бұрын
Skip ad 2:36
@Slider93
9 ай бұрын
Honestly I think 2x on super effective hits is too much. 1.5x is a lot more decent. It hardly makes sense to me that pokemon takes 1 super effective hit and that's it. We almost never see that in pokemon show. And the damage spread should be more realistic, like there is any damage move and it should deal 0.75-1.25x randomly with some comments like "Pokemon A was barely grazed by Pokemon B attack!". I know there is damage range but it feels too insignificant. And I would really like to know whether it was a high roll or low roll
@danielh.g6998
9 ай бұрын
i think knock off will be the next pursuit, it is so easy to spam it and get value out of it
@Frostbyte115
9 ай бұрын
Knock off is already doing it lmfao.
@dylanogg347
6 ай бұрын
It's sweet hearin' a Pokémon Colosseum Track on this channel. Especially because it's a rare occasion.
@G0ATFAC3
9 ай бұрын
I think the reason Pursuit was removed was due to how switch-heavy the Pokemon metagame tends to be. Switching Pokemon when you're at a disadvantage is something Game Freak wants to encourage, so having a move that punished you for it seemed antithetical to their approach.
@i_like_chomp6382
9 ай бұрын
The real reason was programming issues with the move
@WhimsicottFanatic
9 ай бұрын
I'd buy that if they'd also be making NPCs in the main story actually switch out 'mons for anything other than "I can do literally nothing right now", because otherwise the message is probably not going to be placed upon the toddlers playing the game in the first place
@doozsromhacks
9 ай бұрын
Entry hazards exist and are like 20x more punishing tho lol
@thefloodwatch785
9 ай бұрын
hmm idk how i feel about what you giys said about defensive psychic types. I feel like if anything the slow twins were hampered by their psychic type rather than helped by it when it comes to defensive use. I feel like theyd be even more busted if they were, say, fairy type or poison or dark.
@marcorodriguez8792
9 ай бұрын
As someone who likes Psychic type Pokemon since gen 1, I was happy to see pursuit gone. I would have been more happy if it was nerfed instead since i am not a fan of moves being deleted but this I will take
@kuitaranheatmorus9932
9 ай бұрын
This video is so good at going in depth with topic like this.
@franciasii2435
9 ай бұрын
Pursuit was strong, but hidden power was only good for finishing off stuff or if u had a boost. However, I don't think either should have been removed lol.
@RFDN0
9 ай бұрын
HP honestly needed to be removed. It was a massive barrier to entry for competitive pokemon. It gave every mon coverage, which reduced the tradeoffs associated with choosing mons for competitve. It also was only a special attack that further boosted special attackers over physical attackers.
@XxTheCupidKidxX
9 ай бұрын
@@RFDN0Tera blast is far better. Both forms of attackers can use it, gives some Pokémon usable stab for their preferred attacking type (like Landorus), and requires you to change your type with Tera first, which sometimes sacrifices defensive typing for an offensive edge.
@mectainea5575
9 ай бұрын
@@XxTheCupidKidxXtbh tera blast as a move didn’t really need to exist as they could have easily just reworked its effect into hidden power. So we basically just had a pre-existing move gutted just so gamefreak can just create unnecessary redundancy to make it flashy in marketing.
@RFDN0
9 ай бұрын
@cupidkid4796 Terablast is far stronger. Honestly, I don't think it is good long-term for the franchise as it buffs every mon equally. Many mons only real downsides are the lack of coverage in their move sets. That said, the lower tiers without the OP mons have been blessed with Terablast.
@donovanchilton5817
9 ай бұрын
@@RFDN0It’s a 60/70 base power(at best in older generations) with no STAB. It’s not that serious. The only thing it was genuinely good for was the guessing game of “what hidden power does x Pokémon have”. Sometimes you guessed wrong and Gliscor ate a hidden power ice. Sometimes you guessed right and smacked heatran with a hidden power ground; it still didn’t OHKO most of the time. Less utility leads to more centralization of an already claustrophobic meta.
@SirTwitchy
9 ай бұрын
I'm really enjoying these informative videos that are about moves abilities etc great work.
@emmaramirez4330
9 ай бұрын
I miss Pursuit, but don't miss Hidden Power at all lol Hidden Power made you breed for hyperspecific IV spreads prior to Gen 7 and even then in Gen 7, you'd have to catch a Pokemon, get its Hidden Power type checked, and reset if it wasn't right. I spent like a whole week trying to catch a 0 IV HP Fire Tapu Lele in a love ball ;_;
@enoyna1001
9 ай бұрын
Was it worth it?
@WhimsicottFanatic
9 ай бұрын
*Prior to Gen6, that's when Hidden Power had its damage locked to a consistent 60
@skeetermania3202
9 ай бұрын
@@WhimsicottFanaticOftentimes when I hear Kellen talking about Hidden Power getting nerfed, this quote plays in my head: “From a purely competitive perspective, that makes sense, but from a grander perspective, it makes more sense to call it “standardized”, as it used to be variable from 30 to 70 BP, but now is a consistent 60 BP.”
@emmaramirez4330
9 ай бұрын
@@WhimsicottFanatic Gen 7 introduced Hyper training so that starting IVs no longer mattered. You’re right about Gen 6, but that still required a specific IV spread.
@WhimsicottFanatic
9 ай бұрын
@@emmaramirez4330 Starting IV spreads still mattered Hidden Power only goes off of the the true IVs the Pokemon was caught with, Hyper Training does not do anything to what type the move will have I did initially think this Hyper Training mix-up was what the OP was referring to, but the fact they say they were having the trouble of needing to check for the right type on the Tapu Lele they wanted is what led me to the conclusion it was specifically about the move's base damage
@mr.lantern1111
9 ай бұрын
When do you think we’ll be getting “Top 3 winners and losers of the indigo disc?” I wouldn’t mind a Terapagos discussion either.
@DnDandVideoGames
9 ай бұрын
I don't get removing Pursuit. Hidden power I understand... they put in Tera Blast (eventually) which is just as good / better.
@Missingno0479
9 ай бұрын
Yeah but with knowing how game freak works the next game is going to cut out old mechanics and throw in new ones. If tera blast is removed there's going to be a hidden power shaped hole that needs to be filled. I feel like having it as a move is a lot better than having a whole gimmick based around it.
@uberculex
9 ай бұрын
Pursuit alone required psychic types and ghost types to be phenomenal to be allowed to be good. Otherwise Tyranitaur could switch in and they would instantly die with no counterplay.
@toxic0470
9 ай бұрын
it most likely caused bugs with dynamax, like if you switch out a dynamax mon the game crashes or smth, especially since pursuit has a history of causing bugs like the acid rain glitch in gen 4, they probably gave up on the move if they ever thought to add it back to gen 9.
@joshhorn8283
9 ай бұрын
I saw your video about how good is Machamp! So if it’s okay if you do one for Machop & Machoke?! If you can’t, that’s okay!
@Mijzelffan
9 ай бұрын
They likely removed pursuit because it made interactions with the turn order weird, in gen 7 switches would always happen before mega evolutions, unless pursuit was happening in which case the pursuit user would mega evolve first, then pursuit would happen, then all the switches, then other mega evolutions etc.
@DrLove-xv3th
9 ай бұрын
Haven't watched the video yet, but I can already tell that its about pursuit.
@mrsuperheatran2794
9 ай бұрын
Psychic types already suck in this generation because the amount of already good dark types. Having both knock off and pursuit, two busted moves that have little to no drawback, would have been absolute overkill.
@higlythehylotle7318
9 ай бұрын
I agree with you, and you should read my comment you'll probably enjoy it.
@RocketPropelledMexican
9 ай бұрын
FSG doesn't stand for False Swipe Gaming - it stands for Fast Strong Ghost
@elijahgriffin5435
9 ай бұрын
I feel like not talking about Tapu Lele as a pursuit target was a bit of a missed opportunity, as unlike most of the threats of the old days, we can see the case of how much of a bigger threat it became in gen 8 - right after the pursuit that had checked it was removed.
@kevinedwards6668
9 ай бұрын
From the thumbnail I’m guessing pursuit is getting covered
@christopherballero866
9 ай бұрын
Defensive players must've loved the removal of both pursuit and hidden power. Also the additions of heavy duty boots as well as teleport helped that style a lot though power creep was huge in Gens 8 & 9.
@Latias38
9 ай бұрын
As a Latias pokefan, I am glad Pursuit is gone and Tyranitar is struggling in RU
@christopherballero866
9 ай бұрын
@@Latias38 What about Ferrothorn and the lose of hidden power
@luiseduardo8806
9 ай бұрын
Gengar looks like an angry weedy purple potato
@ivanbluecool
9 ай бұрын
SpongeBob thumbnail nice
@JohnDoe-yp3zv
9 ай бұрын
It's great that I can look at the thumbnail and immediately know that the topic is Pursuit.
@HabitualThinker
9 ай бұрын
Tyranitar dropping directly to hell after losing pursuit:
@Labyrinth6000
9 ай бұрын
Gamefreak has had it with people using it and they want everyone to use the new mons for marketing purposes.
@skeetermania3202
9 ай бұрын
It’d be more accurate to attribute that to the state of the current Gen 9 meta, which doesn’t favour Ttar at all. Even if Pursuit was back, Kinggambit would likely outclass it.
@connorr-w9133
9 ай бұрын
I'll concede that using Pursuit skillfully is something players should be rewarded for, but I think on the other side it felt too oppressive to play against. "Pursuit trapping" is effectively the same as trapping with Arena Trap or Shadow Tag. You'll either have to stay in until you eventually die anyway, accomplishing little if anything in the process; or swap out and likely die for it, accomplishing *nothing* in the process. It forces the player getting Pursuit-ed into a lose-lose situation, same as if they were stuck in a Shadow Tag situation, and those abilities are banned for a reason. As to it only doing a little damage to things that resist it or coming from a Pokemon with a lower attack stat, you've got so many other tools for that now with the better distribution of Stealth Rock and Spikes that having Pursuit on top of that would have been an oppressive amount of chip damage. The functions of Pursuit are better handled by a number of other mechanics and factors, and the game is healthier when those functions aren't on one, all-encompassing move.
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