Prost is accurate. Chaotic leadership and strategy, egos, unrealistic expectations, drivers taking each other out. They are a total joke.
@lunalucifer3335
Жыл бұрын
Prost was always right
@JohnWiku
Жыл бұрын
Because Prost didn't have squabbles with Senna, taking each other out 😂😂 He knows it, all too well indeed 😂😂
@snivels
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, it wasn't either drivers' fault each time they came together.
@potatogirlcultist19
Жыл бұрын
@@snivels Senna admitted he deliberately took ot Prost in the title deciding race in 1990. The one in 1989 is debateable and still causes discussion even to this day.
@Reno49
Жыл бұрын
@lunalucifer3335 Prost also ran his own team into the ground in 5 years and his most successful season was with the 97 car be bought from someone else
@henrychen8755
Жыл бұрын
I've heard that the FIA doesn't like all this team turmoil and plans to give Ocon a 5 second time penalty in retaliation 😔
@syedabaan8227
Жыл бұрын
deserved
@groundedgaming
Жыл бұрын
Only 5? I've heard it was... a lot more😱
@syedabaan8227
Жыл бұрын
Yes he's gonna be out of a drive because the French team Frenched themselves out of existence 🤮🤮
@guttedxx
Жыл бұрын
I heard he served it wrong, so he got an additional +5 sec penalty😂
@michel3691
Жыл бұрын
I don't know all the rules. Would anyone mind explaining the penalty. If the team is at the races, why penalize a team for internal changes?
@loomis8845
Жыл бұрын
And people say Ferrari is a mess. This team takes the cake, no question.
@vrajpatel2763
Жыл бұрын
if mclaren hadn't mad the jump this yr i would say mclaren is also a mess
@groundedgaming
Жыл бұрын
You can't say that about Ferrari just yet! They'll come back next year!!!!!
@vrajpatel2763
Жыл бұрын
@@groundedgaming haven't they saying like tht from 2008?
@AKK5I
Жыл бұрын
For renault, this is merely a marketing effort for them. They don't really care and would sell the team if offered enough money because their lively hood is selling road cars. For Ferrari, racing is everything. They sell road cars just to race, so when they fail in F1 it hits even harder for such a prestigious team compared to Renault/Alpine
@teabagtowers3823
Жыл бұрын
@@vrajpatel2763 How's McLaren a mess?
@AndyHack10
Жыл бұрын
Szafnauer said in a Sky Germany interview: "You can't get 9 women pregnant and expect to be a father in one month." It sums up how Rossi thinks F1 works and after all Prost said pretty much the same. Rossi is the problem and it's getting more obvious day by day.
@superkubus-nk8lb
Жыл бұрын
And now rossi is out, and they got 3rd and 8th in a weekend, big gains
@davewest54
Жыл бұрын
Typical senior management, it must be done to their expectations because they say so, even when they understand nothing about the issues. It's the same in every business around the world.
@superkubus-nk8lb
Жыл бұрын
@@anarramazanov618 yeah, i know, it is still impressive
@Skjoldborg8
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic words from Szafnauer! 😅✌️ But agreed, Rossi is nothing more than a wedding cake figure, that has exceptional capabilities in being arrogant, unpleasant, and stupidly unrealistic. The words in Miami about calling the whole team amateurs was like the worst team management I’ve seen in F1 for many many years. And that says a lot when thinking about Ferrari battling for that trophy. 🏆💥💥
@Skjoldborg8
Жыл бұрын
@@anarramazanov618 exactly! That’s also why I think they are seriously considering selling the team to Andretti with all of this chaotic drama this season. Also remember Ryan is a new stock owner, and also has a say for the future. Because the “100 race winner” strategy just went from very very unlikely to absolutely 100% impossible! And they won’t be adjusting down expectations and be sitting in the back of the championship as a fool.
@ChrisHopkinsBass
Жыл бұрын
If I was Michael Andretti, I'd be ringing up Renault to ask them if they fancy selling the team
@KuchingKingVideoGamer
Жыл бұрын
Andretti doesn't have 1.5 Billion dollars
@hlanguhome7905
Жыл бұрын
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer He could if GM is still backing them under the Cadillac name.
@areebsiddiqui758
Жыл бұрын
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer Redbird capital already own 20% so Andretti only need 50% for majority ownership and leave about 30% with Renault who can continue to supply engines. GM would be more than willing to stump up the cash in order to push Cadillac as a global brand.
@ciaranobyrne087
Жыл бұрын
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer Andretti are backed by Guggenheim Partners who have an AUM of $300 billion. Their CEO was involved with the purchase of LA Dodgers and Chelsea so I don't think money should be a major stumbling block if they really want it.
@areebsiddiqui758
Жыл бұрын
@@ciaranobyrne087 You can say that again. They literally went and spent half a billion on transfers at Chelsea last season. Shame most of it was on utter dross players.
@threeeee13
Жыл бұрын
imagine if piastri refused mclaren's offer, how his talents would've otherwise been wasted
@funk541
Жыл бұрын
Mark Webber would never have let that happen😂😂
@PiotrekSzostak
Жыл бұрын
I think Webber knew from his red bull years how does a management structure of a team going upwards look like and he saw that Renault/Alpine had nothing of the sort in place and then he saw Rossi coming and he just knew this is a shitshow and acted
@antasena6043
Жыл бұрын
@@PiotrekSzostakWebber drove for jaguar, 2005 William, and Red Bull's first domination era, so he know which one is going upward and which one is a mess
@tuna5618
Жыл бұрын
mclaren was the only choise piastri had, alpine didn't want him in the alpine, they wanted him in the williams on loan.
@alexforay9239
Жыл бұрын
Off course it's easy to say now but at the beginig of the season mclaren was figting with alphataurie and haas so...
@Ever443
Жыл бұрын
Suddenly Ricardo, Alonso and Piastry leaving doesnt seem so strange. Alpine's (Renault) issue is they are the same as Ferrari. 'We are right and everyone else is wrong" very Toxic environment.
@stephenscharf6293
Жыл бұрын
Bingo. Right on the money.
@MickLMZR
Жыл бұрын
Typical French arrogance honestly
@Ce0ammer
Жыл бұрын
@@MickLMZR French/Italian*
@tbz1551
Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine how happy Piastri and Alonso are to have dodged this disastrous team.
@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle
Жыл бұрын
Alonso might have retired / quit
@1step2deadline
Жыл бұрын
@@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle Are you watching F1 in 2023?
@patrickcesalestajodywibowo741
Жыл бұрын
They're smiling rn 😂
@camf7522
Жыл бұрын
And Danny Ric!
@Nothing-kz9pj
Жыл бұрын
@@camf7522I'm pretty sure he would've been better off at alpine than being red bull's 4th driver lmao
@Tsino69
Жыл бұрын
Bring back Cyril, he held that team together better than anyone else could.
@georgthesecond
Жыл бұрын
He's kinda busy in WRC.
@thembanjoko2844
Жыл бұрын
Team Enstone clownshow continues.
@pavulon5000
Жыл бұрын
Couldn't keep Ricciardo somehow.
@nielsvanheteren
Жыл бұрын
Cyril is the reason they got into this situation in the first place. Renault/Lotus was a race/championship winning outfit until he joined. If you want to bring back anyone it would be Briatore, wouldn't even be surprised if they did that, but I hear rumours they want to hire Sbinotto.
@LouSassol69er
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure he's happier in WRC. He'll probably get sacked by the new management at some point before they get sacked themselves.
@lazeroth89
Жыл бұрын
It's clear that Renault is not serious about their F1 project. It would be better for the sport if they just sold the team, bringing new energy to Ennstone.
@alexerwin3262
Жыл бұрын
@@alpharaciingyep, Renault have stated that they’d provide the PU if Andretti joined. Might be the way to go and have them as a works team
@jazzrockr
Жыл бұрын
So many of the teams would be better off just being contract operations with the manufacturer being the supplier, especially Ferrari and Renault/Alpine.
@ShadowWalker-ng1it
Жыл бұрын
unfortunatly the ennstone team can only be owned by Renault or Lotus, so expect a return of lotus on the grid soon
@ashen_99_sparkplug
Жыл бұрын
Porsche would be happy to get that chance
@MrReese
Жыл бұрын
I think they are very serious about it (it costs too much money to not be serious about it), they just don't know what the hell they are doing.
@martimxavier9690
Жыл бұрын
Who thought this time last year, that Alonso and Piastri would make such a wise move?
@Rmagid
Жыл бұрын
They could see the rot
@sh-spectrum409
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, for once Alonso’s gamble in moving to a different team paid off!
@untitledtitle503
Жыл бұрын
Me. I never thought Alpine is a great team.
@98MTBiker
Жыл бұрын
I did for Alonso but for Piastri I wasn't so sure. McLaren is wildly inconsistent as well but for Aston I could see them progressing when everyone was bashing Alonso for making yet another bad move. That team has made miracles with a shoestring budget many times before and now they have hunted good staff from Merc and Red Bull. Each of the midfield teams make big promises but Aston has the strategy to back it up and I can still see them being stronger than Mclaren or Alpine for the next few years despite the recent step from Mclaren. Honda joining Aston was a sign that they are growing from a puny underdog to a proper works team.
@The_Curious_Cat
Жыл бұрын
We'll have to wait a few seasons, it can still all go wrong for them. Especially for Alonso, he's not known for helping develop cars and usually when performance drops he loves to put himself in a corner, pointing fingers, like he's not part of the structure he's blaming. Piastri is young and McLaren even on their worse years do have more stability then Renault/Alpine. And btw, both dodge a bullet more then they made "smart moves". Both Piastri and Alonso confirmed the reason they moved out is because they did not receive in time a contract deal from Alpine. So when both saw the opportunity, they took it. And both were no brainers, Alonso might have been out of F1 and Piastri just a third driver.
@valgemongol
Жыл бұрын
Pat Fry leaving Alpine for Williams is not suprising. If you listen to the f1 podcast where James Vowles was a guest, you can understand why Williams is becoming a desirable place to work. Their aim is to find long term big performance gains instead of near sighted quick band-aids and are willing to sacrifice one or two seasons for that. You need to give time, trust and stability for the engineers to let them do their work instead of expecting from them to turn water into wine in couple of months. Something that Alpine's management doesn't seem to understand.
@JK7kaye
Жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for Enstone. That factory has proven they are competent during their stints as Benneton, Renault (2002 era) and Lotus (2012-13).
@mrbungle3310
Жыл бұрын
Lotus had issues also...i think since the crash gate incident everything went downhill... Lotus had a great car though during 2012-13 but bad driver management
@davedewsnap288
Жыл бұрын
Benetton competent? Understatement. They were dominant with Schumacher in the early 90s. Not the best car, but good enough with the great Schumacher.
@gringostarr69
Жыл бұрын
@@mrbungle3310Well if you hire a guy who could have chosen Williams or Red Bull and make a contract that awards you 50k€ / point and then refuse to pay his salary cause he is doing too good, it isn't the drivers and driver managements issue. It's an issue of the accounting and investors. Remember why Kimi didn't drive in the last two races and crashed in his last one? Cause the team owed and still does over 10 million.. When "Anal Spermane" shouted to Kimi I kinda started hating him more, but have to say that he has been there from the beginning. And wish all the best for you Alan!
@gringostarr69
Жыл бұрын
@@davedewsnap288And option 13. But Schumi is still the Goat
@petervanvloten5473
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunate situation for Gasly and Ocon. Both drivers deserve a solid team with a clear strategy for car improvement.
@luckyspurs
Жыл бұрын
And we thought Ocon and Gasly as team-mates was going to be the problem.
@jathiyakhan720
Жыл бұрын
They are actually quite friendly towards each other
@Tristan_de_Kermadec
Жыл бұрын
Exactly the opposite. The drivers are not in question, it is the management and technical team.
@RACECAR
Жыл бұрын
As great a driver as Alonso is, even the best ones will never be able to overcome an incompetent and overbearing management that has no idea what they are doing (See: Ferrari). As very much pointed out in this video, Both Mercedes and Red Bull have been the two most dominant teams because the people who know what they are doing have been allowed to do what they are doing with Minimal to no corporate interference (A model ironically first displayed at Ferrari). In contrast, Ferrari's current management (Without a guy like Montezemelo to shield the guys from corporate) is exactly why they just aren't gonna win an championship. Its why Jaguar (Ironically, labelled at the time as "Britain's Ferrari") went horribly and why Toyota also did poorly in F1. What we are seeing at Alpine is yet another example of that. Arrogance and ignorance will always hold you back irrespective of how big your pockets are.
@dy7296
Жыл бұрын
Just like we thought De Vries will be a threat to yuki because of his experience.
@PG-20
Жыл бұрын
Szafnauer should go to Haas. Otmar is really good at extracting performance out of a small budget. Alpine was way too micromanaged
@Duval-In-The-Wall
Жыл бұрын
This is a great move
@Duval-In-The-Wall
Жыл бұрын
@@EscapismPinball Alonso isn’t the be all end all, nor is his record as a team player particularly good at all Otmar had a great run with Force India for years, you’re gonna completely write him off based on Alpine being a mess?
@tferrer6096
Жыл бұрын
I think Otmar would be a great replacement for Steiner. He's done nothing amazing. Let him start a Netflix special and put a professional in that role...
@Ikcatcher
Жыл бұрын
Kinda sad when you realize Renault’s peak was when it was ran by a guy who would create Crashgate
@CJGZW1993
Жыл бұрын
True. However in 2008, it was already clear that Briatore was no longer the team principal he was when he enjoyed his prime years with Schumacher in 94 & 95 and Alonso in 05 & 06.
@chlcrk
Жыл бұрын
@@CJGZW1993Given not even two years had passed between the Alonso 06 title and that Singapore race, that's quite the quick downfall
@CJGZW1993
Жыл бұрын
@@chlcrk Well, Alonso left Renault after 2006 which made Fisichella their first driver in 2007. Fisichella was totally not able to replicate the performance of his old teammate, and rookie Kovalainen did dissapoint as well (despite finishing p2 in Japan). The team also switched from Michelin to Bridgestone tyres which also negatively impacted their performance that season. So the 2007 season basically was the first nail in the coffin for Briatore's Renault regime, and the outcome of Crashgate in 2009 doomed him once and for all.
@ihavewaited90daystochangem51
Жыл бұрын
@@LouSassol69er what are you on about, ai has nothing to do with f1 unless you're completely clueless.
@benn87
Жыл бұрын
@@LouSassol69er Back then, F1 was much more expensive than it is today. In the mid-2000s, the big manufacturers like Ferrrari had a budget of 4-500 million every year. Then they had an endless supply of engines and tyres back then. All that cost a lot of money.
@SkProductions56
Жыл бұрын
The fact this was the straw that broke Permane's back is telling. The guy has been with Enstone through thick and thin... must be dire
@nurulasyikinshuhaimi435
Жыл бұрын
This is what I thought as well. How bad of a job he could be doing as a sporting director anyway . Menkies even got promoted to team principal 😂
@notliquid1448
Жыл бұрын
Imagine getting rid off Peter Machin (which was the number 2 guy in RB's aero department) to get Dirk de Beer who's been in charge of William's aero during 2017-2018 (their worst years), Ferrari between 2013 and 2016 and Renault between 2008 and 2011, so arguably during these 3 teams' worst years of the century. Renault/Alpine's corporate management is a joke. What they need is an actual strong leader, more independence and newer facilities (which will come online soon). Firing Otmar won't change anything in the short term.
@cajktina
Жыл бұрын
100000% agree. de Beer's appointment was always super weird and poor, literally came to Renault after designing a decent 2017 car (but zero development thru the season)...but the absolute garbage 2018 Williams is unreal. Renault shot themselves in the foot then
@notliquid1448
Жыл бұрын
@@cajktina True, and let's not forget that the 2017 car was more of an evolution of the 2016 model, so he's only been responsible of its mid season development + 2018, not a good look imo
@The_Curious_Cat
Жыл бұрын
It makes absolutely no sense. Seems more they are trying to cut expenses where they think they can put cheaper alternatives. It's the only reason that comes to mind (except friendship favors or something). Same for Otmar. It's easy to send him out, because he's a big name, so as a CEO you look like you are making "big changes", but I think it's just to cut the expense of a big salary and put someone from inside the structure that accepts the role for half the pay.
@classicsportclassictiyl8547
10 ай бұрын
@@notliquid1448 de Beer only had a couple decent years in that period you mentioned 2008 the R28 came alive in the second half of the season and R30 wasn't bad either especially in Kubica's hands but other than that I agree with what you say
@14rs2
Жыл бұрын
Alonso and Piastri getting out before the team imploded was the best move of their careers
@ankhayratv
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately ... you are correct. A "decisive" decision turns into a "hasty" decision if you don't have a plan. And they don't seem to have a plan. Szafnauer has proved that he can run an F1 team on a budget and get good results. But they gave him no time.
@dissatisfiedgamer7436
Жыл бұрын
doesn't help to also have an over-involved CEO breathing down your neck that you have to report to. Otmar had a lot of control in his force india days, the owner just gave him money and sponsors and let Otmar run the show, they were by all accounts a reliable mid fielder at the time which was what the owner wanted anyways. When he's left to do his stuff Szafnauer can be quite competent but he didn't seem to mesh well with owners/CEOs that got themselves too involved. From what i've heard he didn't exactly gel well with Stroll Sr. either, in fact it may have been Stroll Sr. that instructed Szafnauer to use the Mercedes designs in 2020 which we know went so well for Racing Point. Rossi has been a lot of the same, very involved, but worse than Stroll in that he's been willing to bash the team in the media which is just a big red flag. Think Otmar's time in F1 as TP is over, but i do hope he finds a team somewhere else to run where he's just given wide authority to do as he sees best.
@Beriatan
Жыл бұрын
Classic. The boss that has no idea has unrealistic expectations towards experienced wmployees and decides to fire everyone.
@sephiros9883
Жыл бұрын
You’d think that this wouldn’t happen in an top world tier competition but alas…..
@Beriatan
Жыл бұрын
@@sephiros9883 classic situation, where someone convinces equally clueless chairpeople that he's the right man for the job, just because it seems like it. In the sport where expertise is the most important you can't hire typical "boss guy" CEOs
@nvcnc
Жыл бұрын
"Why aren't we winning? I specifically requested it"
@RACECAR
Жыл бұрын
@@nvcnc Toyota and Jaguar be like
@ahrengipperich141
Жыл бұрын
Renault as a works team has been in the sports since 2016, you'd expect the top Bosses to want your team to be top contenders by now it's been to long , I think its Renault best interest to sack those who have failed.
@ChrisHopkinsBass
Жыл бұрын
TBH - apart from when Flav was in charge - almost every Renault race team has been a complete clusterf**k. Look at how they treated Prost in the early 80s
@Reznor_Meeks
Жыл бұрын
I think the root of the problem started when Renault proudly announced few years back when they truly became a “works” team that they would run the effort at a extreme low budget. The philosophy of running on cheap money has been proven well enough that does not work. It’s sad that Renault didn’t see right up their faces that this approach does not generate success on track, he’ll look Williams, Titans of the 90’s now, a joke.
@schrenk-d
Жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder how their cars are built.
@WhatisTabal
Жыл бұрын
No wonder Renault makes junk cars burning oil and unreliable trannies. And why Nissan also want to part ways with the French carmaker.
@anupraikar6298
Жыл бұрын
And you can see it on the car itself. Have you seen how fragile their cars are. One tap and goes the suspension.
@dickharris1
Жыл бұрын
The root of their problem is their management. Always has been and always will be.
@benn87
Жыл бұрын
Mercedes also tried to invest as little as possible to achieve a lot in the beginning. The big difference is that Mercedes eventually realised what they were doing and Renault did not.
@selder_7
Жыл бұрын
It really shows why Ricciardo, Alonso and Piastri were so ready to leave
@chrisc475
Жыл бұрын
Pat Fry is a great hire by JV. It's a long time since I felt this optimistic about Williams' future.
@tadroid3858
Жыл бұрын
I feel bad for F2 /Alpine reserve driver, Jack Doohan. I can only wonder what he and his dad are thinking. Calling Oscar Piastri. "Hey mate, how the hell did you get out of this mess?"
@utube321piotr
Жыл бұрын
When Flavio was hired to run Benetton F1 team he had no clue about F1 or racing, but was a very successful executive in a very competitive business of clothing apparel. Flavio was a success story, creating a very strong F1 while fostering Michael Schumacher's early career and WDC. Rossi however arrived in F1 as an executive from Google, a monopoly and also knew nothing about F1 and by the looks of it never will.
@mangleman9112
Жыл бұрын
Will Alpine loose BWT's sponsorship as it came with Otmar when he left what is now Aston Martin to come to Alpine?
@tuffmanchannel
Жыл бұрын
I see this as a major win for the livery's look
@CallumRSU30
Жыл бұрын
Theory/Hot take: They changed their name to Alpine from Renault as to not bring Renault’s name into disrepute; so what you want with the Alpine name, people probably thing it’s a hiking company or something.
@irishRocker1
Жыл бұрын
Pretty dumb hot take. Alpine is Renault's performance car brand. The video says it rebranded to Alpine to market the Alpine brand. They don't want their performance brand to take the hit either. They weren't planning to be shit....
@IvanIvanov-tn2iw
Жыл бұрын
I live in Switzerland, one of the most richest countries in the world and never saw an Alpine car.
@CallumRSU30
Жыл бұрын
@@irishRocker1 Sir, I said what I said tongue in cheek so pretty dumb perception on your part. I know what Alpine is and why they've decided to rename the team, I would just be surprised if it's made any difference to car sales, our friend living in Switzerland suggests it hasn't.
@miguelcebriancarrasco1907
Жыл бұрын
@@IvanIvanov-tn2iw Im Spanish, which is nowhere as rich as Switzerland, and the only Alpine I've ever seen is one of the old rally ones an old guy local to me has
@russell6075
Жыл бұрын
@@irishRocker1 no one has ever seen a alpine car
@TheOtherNeutrino
Жыл бұрын
Piastri dodged a bullet. El Plan has moved to Team Green.
@TobRacer
Жыл бұрын
I work at Renault's engineering quality after sale department on their everyday cars in their massive engineering facilities in France and the entire company is disorganised and some parts badly structured. There's a lack of commitment and dare I say laziness by some people and some highly graded people. I don't know why and how long it's been like this but I feel the atmosphere is also at Viry-Chatillion's Alpine F1 factory. But there's good hopes with Bruno Famin as he lead the Peugeot 908 program to the win Le Mans in 2009 and many championships wins.
@grandadmiralraeder9608
Жыл бұрын
Some of it is just the French way (and I don't say that to be offensive, I say that as a student of European history). Throughout the last 200 years, major French enterprises have always been like that
@WhatisTabal
Жыл бұрын
Scotty Kilmer also hates Renault cars. Because they cut corners in production of their cars. Oil burning engines, unreliable tranny. Expensive car parts
@tangerinedream7211
Жыл бұрын
They'd do better running Renault Twingo turbos, great cars, wife's got one.😎
@kieferclarkf1674
Жыл бұрын
How is the technical director still there but Otmar gets fired?
@StefanKamer
Жыл бұрын
One of them quit, the other got fired. If you quit, you have a standard notice period and in that level a period of garden leave. A CEO or Team principal is often the same, but due to its high profile and sensitivity, it's usually effective immediately when fired, and starts garden leave immediately.
@RiyadYourDad
Жыл бұрын
I see why fernando dident want to stay
@nikocabbage9227
Жыл бұрын
And Piastri for McLaren
@TJBPlayz
Жыл бұрын
Piastri looking like a genius for rejecting alpine now lol
@RACECAR
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure having Mark Webber as his manager helped abit. Also when the CEO supposedly making you an offer is repeatedly playing cat & mouse with the contract, that should be your first red flag that something is wrong.
@tbz1551
Жыл бұрын
I am sure the F1 official podcast on Wednesday with Otmar Szafnauer didn't help his case. As per usual, some very strong opinions and I would argue he even took some shots at ownership. I am guessing that helped speed up the decision.
@brodsta01land12
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha was just thinking this. Getting to listen to the podcast after the announcements and sackings puts a hilarious "This didn't age well" spin on it.
@marnixsiekmans8259
Жыл бұрын
I listened to the podcast. Otmar was talking sense. Changing an organisation of 1000 people takes time. Corporate political games add to it. While the other teams are recruiting high profile individuals what on earth has alpine done? Alpine should leave per 2025 then another team comes to fill the spot.
@brodsta01land12
Жыл бұрын
@@marnixsiekmans8259 you’re right, Otmar did make a lot of sense. And that’s probably why he’s not working at Alpine any more.
@ArgentIcon
Жыл бұрын
Since Cyril left, the team seems to be in a constant state of disarray. Losing Piastri was the peak embarrassment too :-/
@qwj68boots
Жыл бұрын
Nah, you gotta admit these firings, based on mutual agreement top that. No foundation, no house.
@BRMdrivingschool
Жыл бұрын
it was getting nine women pregnant and expecting a baby within a month. Love that line from Otamar Szafnauer
@groundedgaming
Жыл бұрын
What a great quote from Otmar. Had me laughing for like 5 minutes. So good to leave so you can trashtalk them in the worst way possible...
@charmingpeasant9834
Жыл бұрын
That's pretty sexist, i thought Otmar was a progressive male ally with all the pride flags and diversity programs.
@ISirSmoke
Жыл бұрын
@@charmingpeasant9834 what's wrong with you
@irishRocker1
Жыл бұрын
@@charmingpeasant9834 Are you dumb? The point was trying to parallel some things doesn't make the progress quicker.
@cajktina
Жыл бұрын
@@charmingpeasant9834 bloody hell it's just a figure of speech my goodness relax bro -_--
@john1703
Жыл бұрын
Fancy ignoring Alain Prost, who is French and a World Champion, and who drove for Renault. A quote of his, as he retired in 1993: "the problem with Ayrton Senna is that he believes that he cannot die". Says it all really, about his insight!
@andretheys8487
Жыл бұрын
and he certainly knows corporate politics, so it must be bad
@a-part
Жыл бұрын
Prost is a trustie and a lobbyst. Senna just was a car racer.
@broncobalboa
Жыл бұрын
im not saying ignoring prost is right, but at the same time, its not like his team ran smooth the few years he was running it.
@RACECAR
Жыл бұрын
@@broncobalboa I'd say if anything, his failure at running a team probably qualifies him as experienced to know what a horribly run team looks like.
@cajktina
Жыл бұрын
Could see this coming from 2019-20 and has been snowballing ever since poor staff appointment (bringin in de Beer & Rossi, and letting Prost go), splurging on ricciardo, involvement of Alpine, mishandling of Alonso contract
@DanielFenandes
Жыл бұрын
Piastri
@cajktina
Жыл бұрын
@@DanielFenandes Sort of imo. They've got a great lineup in Ocon Gasly, but them fumbling Piastri (and more importantly Alonso) is just another example of how idiotic some of their decision making is
@DanielFenandes
Жыл бұрын
@@cajktina absolutely
@notliquid1448
Жыл бұрын
Peter Machin should've never been let go
@ignatiusng1843
Жыл бұрын
Aston Martin overtaking Alpine is understandable due to the amount of investment, but when I saw Mclaren overtook them the writing was on the wall. It’s abit sad because this was the only underdog team that was able to win championships during the Brawn/Newey era
@PH-jv4ik
Жыл бұрын
Changing their brand from Renault to Alpine was the last sign shame for a project which seemed to have so much potential
@jamesj97370
Жыл бұрын
Rossi seemed to have a bit of screw loose tbh.
@akhilpillay4262
Жыл бұрын
Fernando and Oscar jumping ship was completely genius in today's context
@ManilvaRS
Жыл бұрын
Renault/Alpine must be the only works team to buy a small team and make it worse. They've literally gone backwards since the days of Kimi and Grosjean actually landing some fairly respectable results. Lifetime ago now. Sell it to Andretti!
@RACECAR
Жыл бұрын
Funny enough, the most dominant in F1 Currently WAS in that same position themselves. Remember Jaguar? Yeah, that was also a great example of buying up a team and making it worse.
@72rmboyd
Жыл бұрын
A good break down of Alpine and how traditionally all the greatest teams had one CEO calling all the shots, Williams, Mercedes, Redbull, and Stewart who did so much with so very little
@russell6075
Жыл бұрын
They've been broken for years. Before the budget cap all they did was throw money at the wall and hope something sticks and since the cap they've been left clueless
@AntoniusTyas
Жыл бұрын
Philippe Krief has a rather impressive CV being former Ferrari and Alfa Romeo chassis guru, with his team responsible for the 458 Speciale and Giulia Quadrifoglio. I don't know if he can bring his knowledge to improve Alpine F1 as well as taking Alpine Cars to the electrified future, but here's hope.
@hedlund
Жыл бұрын
Oh damn , the guy has actual engineering experience? That does give some hope this time round.
@notliquid1448
Жыл бұрын
@@hedlund Bruno Famin is also really good, having notably worked on the Peugeot 908 programme
@WorriedGranpa
Жыл бұрын
Can't say I don't feel bad for Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney after chipping in to this shitshow
@mrrolandlawrence
Жыл бұрын
could be a takeover in the making!
@irishwristwatch2487
Жыл бұрын
Wait - theyve invested in Alpine?! I know they own Wrexham FC but this is news
@mooneepondsmassive7016
Жыл бұрын
Let's see. Reynolds has the Midas touch
@3starskiwi
Жыл бұрын
Man this Laurent Rossi seems like a real piece of work.😬🧐
@utube321piotr
Жыл бұрын
ex goog;e executive of a business that is a monopoly
@JohnDoweMah
Жыл бұрын
Considering how Alpine/Renault have been in upper management disarray for some time. I have to give props to Zak Brown for sticking through thick and thin with Mclaren to this day despite how rocky it has definitely been for the team as a whole.
@Degenevesting
Жыл бұрын
Imagine firing Alain Prost unceremoniously and expecting things to go well. I can’t say this wasn’t expected.
@herbertkraft7379
Жыл бұрын
Dont forgett that Alpine also committed to an LMDh entry in the WEC next season so depending on how well that goes the Alpine Project can also end up being in a different sport entirely. But hey, Andretti won't say no to buying that team..
@SmallBlogV8
Жыл бұрын
Sportscar racing makes more sense for the (LM-winning) marque anyway. After all, the Alpine brand was revived in the first place through a rebranding of the Signatech LMP2 programme in 2013 (they also ran a rebranded, restricted Rebellion R13 in the first season of LMH). I can see them "restructuring" the "project" to drop F1, refocus on Endurance and claim it's about honoring their real history instead of admitting defeat. It'd be a handy get-out clause.
@brianwaite6139
Жыл бұрын
If I was a rival team I would be on the phone to Alan Permane to get some benefit from all his experience. I am afraid their problem was Rossi. Andretti better get ready.
@testchannelpleaseignore2452
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes you have to step back and realize just how much of a mess many of the "top" teams are. These teams were all beaten out by a drinks company only five years after they joined the sport
@RACECAR
Жыл бұрын
Except said team also hired and patiently built a team that could win championships (And after getting said mess that was left behind by Jaguar for dirt cheap). Ignorance and arrogance is why Team Silverstone (Aston Martin), Mclaren and Williams fell so far as they did and why Ferrari continues to struggle.
@nordvestgaming1238
Жыл бұрын
All of this on top of losing both Alosno and Piastri last year also says a lot about the management of the team, they've lost/ fired most of their top figures in the team, and lost two stellar drivers in the last 12 months and have regressed pace wise, at least in comparison to the other teams. Makes Ferrari look like they've got their act together in comparison.
@caseyf14483
Жыл бұрын
Will BWT leave Alpine along with Otmar?
@easthorizonfilms
Жыл бұрын
Here before the BWT Alfa Romeo HAAS F1 Team
@rsf1kirito483
Жыл бұрын
I doubt BWT leaving Alpine I've seen Otmar whatever he goes BWT Follows him team by team
@marcmillis3867
Жыл бұрын
They never should have given 25 million$ / year to Riccardo. Never should have let go Hülkenberg at 5mil$ / year. It went downward from there.
@jamiealder-martin9994
Жыл бұрын
Ricciardo got 5th in the championship and got podiums?
@atkascha
Жыл бұрын
Not only that, but they're behind in infrastructure. To be a race winner, you need RB/Merc/Ferrari levels of facilities. Alpine doesn't have that. McLaren/Aston Martin have better facilities these days. Not only do they have a revolving door of drivers, but it seems like engineers are always leaving/coming in. There's no way you can have a consistently good product with worse facilities, and staff changing all the time.
@irishwristwatch2487
Жыл бұрын
@@atkaschathey seem like theyre trying to be the new Minardi. The Alpha Tauri might have the bloodline, but Alpine certainly seem to have the behaviour!
@KuchingKingVideoGamer
Жыл бұрын
Ricciardo scored podiums 😂 Hulkenberg bottled 😂
@marcmillis3867
Жыл бұрын
@@jamiealder-martin9994 Riccardo had a win for McLaren, he still got fired by them. Riccardo is like Jacques Villeneuve, incapable of setting a car by himself. He needs another technical driver to take his settings ( at the time Olivier Panis for JV) What iam saying is that Riccardo is not the guy you need to improve a car through driver's feed back. The guy drives fast & that's it. So for Renault to hire Riccardo was a mistake.
@twhiteofrd_1102
Жыл бұрын
It's crazy how everyone but the upper management can see that the problem is a lack of patience causing a self fulfilling prophecy
@thevictoryoverhimself7298
Жыл бұрын
They'll do what they did for the last 4 major engine regulation changes: Screw it up at first, ask for only them to get "Reliability modifications" (threaten to pull out behind the scenes if they dont get them) , copy what everyone else did better and go on to have a 3-5 year domination period. This is exactly what got both Alonso and Vettel their championships.
@tbz1551
Жыл бұрын
Binotto would definitely be an 'on brand' replacement given his history of being a successful team director smh 😂😂
@barrymitchell1488
Жыл бұрын
Ferrari: thanks God there is Alpine
@whassupg89
Жыл бұрын
Surely it can’t be long before Renault gives up on this team (again)
@15DEAN1995
Жыл бұрын
It's funny looking at the momentum of teams from last year to this year. Aston Martin and mclaren had major improvements and williams is on a gradual trajectory up. Teams like alpine, alpha tauri and Alfa Romeo have all had major losses in performance. Alpine is easily the biggest of these teams right now and it's embarrassing how they've fumbled their team so much.
@MrNailbrain
Жыл бұрын
Renault looked at Ferrari's corporate over involvement and thought: *YES*
@giants2k8
Жыл бұрын
This season has be so disappointing and underwhelming as an Alpine fan. I had so many hopes, especially with Ocon and Gasly. But the lack of commitment and investment in the team and then this disastrous decision of sacking Szafnauer and Permane have destroyed any of those hopes.
@danpaton9744
Жыл бұрын
The last year and a half has been an absolute shambles for Alpine
@mako4874
Жыл бұрын
“It was either decided before or during the spa weekend” - genius ….
@mrepage5896
Жыл бұрын
A video explaining exactly what all these leadership positions do within an F1 team structure would be very interesting to learn about. Great content as always!
@daniwalmsley611
Жыл бұрын
Tbf I don't think it's necessarily too much corporate interference. Renault were stagnant not making progress under cyril, so when Ricciardo left they decided they needed a change, the problem is they chose poorly in Rossi which they're now tryingbto course correct from
@snowtrooper8817
Жыл бұрын
With alpine becoming less and less serious, I’d like to see Andretti, or even Honda buy the team. A Honda works project would be so cool.
@k3corvette35
Жыл бұрын
Im sure Andretti is thrilled to hear the Alpine/Renault is in termor !!
@cgf72
Жыл бұрын
The repeated reorganization has driven Alpine to the rut in which Ferrari has found itself. There is no coincidence that the most successful F1 teams for the past 20 years have been built on core strategy and consistency in leadership.
@maxilos1987
Жыл бұрын
another dynamic to consider: Alpine will have a car in the top category on the grid in WEC/Le Mans next year, if that program produces results that could decide the F1 programs fate.
@sam-nariman6236
Жыл бұрын
Woosh, that was harsh. 😂😂 I think Renault needs someone like Briatore. Lol
@paracelse2983
Жыл бұрын
As french it's really really hard to support this team this days. Wouldn't mind poor performances, but this kind of toxic management, rush in everything and lack of stability... "We look like a bunch of wankers"
@crazyadam9281
Жыл бұрын
It's a shame because Renault were an excellent team back in the early 2000's.
@paracelse2983
Жыл бұрын
@@crazyadam9281 ive been in love with this yellow/blue livery ...
@Alcatraz760
Жыл бұрын
I think the role that Marko and Lauda played in their teams are understated, and Prost should've played that role for Enstone. Prost should've been given full authority to do what he wants.
@android_4420
Жыл бұрын
Marko is never understated lol
@wolfgangvan-uber6515
Жыл бұрын
Prost leading a team has resulted in failure once before (1997-2001)
@RACECAR
Жыл бұрын
@@wolfgangvan-uber6515 Being an advisor isn't quite the same as being team owner. If anything, his unsuccessful time being a Team Owner would arguably work as an advisor. Sadly though, Renault refuses to learn and is basically just dead set on repeating the same mistakes.
@JohnH1
Жыл бұрын
I think Renault management has not been keen on F1 for some time and it shows. Also, the physical split in the team between England and France and the reliance on third parties for critical parts is a weak link. The lack of control and oversight is a championship killer, is it any wonder Ricciardo took the money and ran?
@Sum_Ting_Wong
Жыл бұрын
It's simple. They're trying to create a French dream team, equivalent of a French Ferrari but they lack the driving talent, technical talent and everything in between to get it done. Then, when they top brass and money men demand answers they point fingers at each other and get sacked.
@nielsvanheteren
Жыл бұрын
Prost knows more than anyone what is needed to have a team operating at the highest level and his comparisons to Red Bull and Mercedes are on spot. Not only that but also the short-sightedness of Renault corporate is what's disabling this formerly championship winning team from performing, it's all about wanting to be there in the next 2 months not the next 2 years. Aston Martin has proven that you make a team succesful in a very short time but they didn't become arrogant because of that, they're still aiming to fight for championships in around 2 years time not in 2 months time. They lack an elite level driver but there isn't one that would ever want to join such a toxic team, you're chances of getting a winning car are essentially zero.
@SmallBlogV8
Жыл бұрын
They're emulating all the worst parts of Ferrari's structure without the clout or resources to finish as high up the grid as them. Completely resetting the management structure isn't going to yield immediate gains either because it will need tim to bed in, so whichever corporate bossman is egging-on this flippant short-wave attitude needs picking up and shaking until they get the point that the whole approach needs to change completely. Until it does, all this will continue in cycles until they sell the team and admit defeat.
@florian_geier
Жыл бұрын
For them it's nothing but an marketing exercise. Invest little and get maximum rewards. Always been this way. The fact they won 2 titles was because back then they had pretty much the best staff and Flavio knowing how to get more money from the higher ups lol
@jeevangill2041
Жыл бұрын
Plus they badly nerfed ferrari with the tyre rule change and mclaren weren't reliable enough despite being quicker.
@paperplane-db8qf
Жыл бұрын
They also cheated in 2006 and had an illegal car.
@florian_geier
Жыл бұрын
@@paperplane-db8qf yeah no 🙈
@klazzsdg
7 ай бұрын
And now with Matt Harman & Dirk de Beer have jumped before being pushed (Bahrain 2024 rumour), i'm surprised there's anyone left at Alpine...
@TheDudeWhoDoesYouTube
Жыл бұрын
Carrots
@Karlywoo_Plays
Жыл бұрын
Broccoli
@youriberger7961
Жыл бұрын
Cucumber
@TheDudeWhoDoesYouTube
Жыл бұрын
This is interesting right, because, Alpine and Renault didn’t eat there vegetables soooo no wonder they are down in the beans right now
@gorgosanma
Жыл бұрын
At this rate the only one left in the team will be Ocon
@rohanpatel7472
Жыл бұрын
Lpine
@-TheUnkownUser
Жыл бұрын
Prost having those "Ferrari" flashbacks with Alpine. Sad part is, that he is right. It's sad that the team falls to a very big mistake that kills every chances of success...
@-np9-
Жыл бұрын
3:08 now it's finally clear. They wanted a perfectly symmetrical graphic!
@robertm5969
Жыл бұрын
This is the problem when you have senior managers with no technical experience trying to run a technical operation. Seen it so many times in my career. The fact that their most experienced tecnhical staff are out only shows how badly things are run. They need to sell this team before they kill it.
@LGP82
Жыл бұрын
Its sad to see my favorite team have such a revolving door. :(
@quazz79
Жыл бұрын
Maybe the staff should go on strike?
@channelbree
Жыл бұрын
Imagine how dysfunctional some major corporations are. Fascinating to have this spotlight on F1.
@Kaijiro____93
Жыл бұрын
Alpine full of controversy, Otmar said something about Alpine sacking him like Friday or something and which he tweeted. Kinda like Piastri situation again lol
@mrbungle3310
Жыл бұрын
One team that is more unstable than Ferrari Alan Permane leaving was the biggest red flag for me
@chuckdegoal3264
Жыл бұрын
Agree with most comments below. Let's not forget also the Renault leadership wanted to do F1 on the "cheap" compared to what Mercedes Benz and Ferrari spent. Renault is a great engive supplier. They need to stop trying to win managing the whole enchilada. Just focus on engines and that's it.
@alecbrown66
Жыл бұрын
I hate what's happened at alpine. It's got all the ingredients, lotus factory, Renault engines, and as a manufacturer team, but for some reason the mix has gone wrong. It's sad and I hope they sort it out
@Andrew-vx2ls
Жыл бұрын
It is not catastophia, but solutions are needed, fast: (a) Put Alain Prost or Sebastian Vettel in charge of "management" (b) Recruit Mattia Binotto (c) Find a top notch driver (Leclerc) and also look for a youngster (Kevin Estre, Sophia Floersch?). (d) Check out the aero/technical people.
@richieduck67
Жыл бұрын
Look up the Dunning Kruger effect which is what Prost referenced
@mrsoisauce9017
Жыл бұрын
And F1 said the current 10 teams are stable and healthy. Aside from Ferrari, who literally can’t leave F1 because it basically defines their entire brand at this point, Alpine is very much unhealthy. If they brought in Andretti, it would be the rough equivalent of replacing the 10th team, since Alpine F1 is sure to die off shortly after Alpine becomes big enough to operate without it. They should probably use the WEC to advertise their brand anyway; they actually have success in the WEC as opposed to F1
@TheOneWhoMightBe
Жыл бұрын
"and only one of these teams is on an upwards trajectory." Looks like one team is basically static (gone from easily last to level-pegging with three other back-markers) and the other is falling like a rock, to me.
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