Each technology has its swings and roundabouts, its strengths and weaknesses. Having run tubeless for years I've found techniques for getting the tyre bead to mount easily, which takes care of most of the grumbles. Every few months I'll get a puncture that is bad enough that i notice it, and it does get messy. But I'll take that and the consequent ten minutes of cleaning over the weekly punctures that I used to get.
@1rickqwert
Жыл бұрын
Been there George I feel your pain. Road tubeless is great until there's a problem. I've gone back to tubes on my road bikes... much happier
@thomaskuhn6541
Жыл бұрын
I've been tubeless on my mountain bike for over 10 years and love it. For my road bike I'm happy to stick to tubes. I'm more likely to puncture on the road and I just don't need the mess.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Thomas!
@raulmarquez5485
Жыл бұрын
Yeah been riding bikes since the 1980’s. I only tried sealant in my inner tubes but didn’t go too well either. Central California has a ton of goat heads. I run Gator Skins, but am penalized with the higher rolling resistance. However, flats on these tires are not common and the inner tubes are pretty easy to change. Thanks for reminding me why I don’t run tubeless on road bikes. Until we ride on solid tires, flats will continue to be the scourge of cycling! Great content! Than you! ❤🚴🏻♂️
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Thank You Raul!
@evanm.2300
7 ай бұрын
Replace ur valve core every 2 or 3 months@SeeYouUpTheRoad it isnt the tubless setups fault for the valve. Its maintenance, or buy fillmore no clog valves. Also i think part of road tubless is slicks have no air pocket space to seal. Try orange seal endurance.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
2 ай бұрын
So you want me to change a valve core every 2 to 3 months? Don't you find that absolutely stupid?
@Silidons91
Жыл бұрын
I think the people who think road tubeless is awesome don't ride a lot. I'm not amazing, but I hit 6.7k miles / 400k ft elevation gain last year, and I'm already at 3.4k miles / 258k ft elevation this year. I switched back to tubes! I don't have to worry about the sealant drying, it's insanely easier to change tires, insanely easier to fix a road flat. I can seat my Gatorskin Hardshells without a tire lever too!
@hddd1502
Жыл бұрын
tried the silca sealant twice, both times the carbon fiber coagulated into pellets and was told by martha at silca that it couldve been an installation error lol, that was the last time i used that sealant also the sealant dried within two months
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
3 ай бұрын
Correct that was my issue with this sealant. It dries up too quickly, can't be put in through the valve, and it can't be used with CO2 ... so what is left to like about it? 😂
@charlesmansplaining
Жыл бұрын
I gave Road tubeless more chances than it deserved. For maybe 4 years I kept trying it and it failed me every puncture. New tires, new sealants, and all their claims were BS. I am back to tubes now, primarily TPU tubes because I am getting them cheaper from China than I can buy a butyl tube from my LBS. I have only had one flat this year so far and it only took me a few minutes to get back riding. You jokers that keep swearing by tubeless setups will get your day and if your sealant gets all over me I will be pissed. It's okay if you can live with the mess it makes but it's not okay if it gets on other riders. I mean it, I will be pissed.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Ha ha Charles you always crack me up even when you’re grumpy 😂
@Timcompton-rt4rx
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you George ! 50 + yrs of cycling/racing/crewing and I will never use tubeless.. if it's new & improved, it SUCKS ! steel frames, rim brakes, tubulars or clinchers...that's it.. tried & true for decades.....if it ain;t broke, don't fix it
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
So many things you listed did not need to be “improved” !!
@Timcompton-rt4rx
Жыл бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad sealant is like bubble gum.. sticks to everything like glue... especially hair ! off with the 'tail' ! lol..still got mine..lol
@poxcr
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, because tubulars are so easy to replace on the road and fix at home. Let me guess, we should all still be running 10 speeds with friction shifters because all that indexing crap is too complicated, right? LOL, another clueless old fart, just like all those useless local bike shop mechanics who should've retired ages ago.
@ciprianclint
Жыл бұрын
This made my day. Steel bikes are better , today we are on carbon aero bike , shallow alloy wheels are just as good if not better , today we are on deep carbon wheels, tubeless sucks, today we are on tubeless. I appreciate George and his videos but i will tune off the minute he lets his biass and prejudice dictate every video. I agree that not all modern innovation make sense but let's be obiectiv and fair.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
3 ай бұрын
FYI in 2024 I did a 200km, 300km, 400km and (2) 600km Brevets all on my Ritchey Road Logic on tubeless 32mm tires and 55-58 psi pressure using Orange Seal sealant. 😂
@NWGreek
Жыл бұрын
OMG George, too funny! Thank you for doing all the R&D on road tubeless! As much as I love the idea of tubeless, (lower weight and rolling resistance, plus comfort), the frigging mess, maintenance and faffing around with all the related crap is such a joke (of course, unless you have a SAG following you, or are a racer). George, often make reference to folks that are not too into (or capable of) doing their own bike maintenance issue, tubeless is just another one of those hassle for those such folks. Running tubeless is truly a high to moderate maintenance option to road cycling. Just last Saturday I rode up to a flatted rider on the road, who was running tubeless, and he just couldn’t re-inflate. I offered him either a CO2 cartridge, or air from my Silca Tattico mini pump as he ran out of cartridges as his tubeless set-up just would not take air (perhaps he had a partially clogged valve). He was so thankful that I had a pump on me! Anyways, thank you George for confirming my belief in, and continuance of running tubes on the road (regardless of the minor performance and comfort “penalty”.) And to use a past phrase you once stated about running Gatorskins, “life too short . . . !” And in this case, life is way too short to be messing around with tubeless BS and mishaps on the road. (BTW, I run on my dry bike GP5000 with Conti Race Lite tubes, and Gatorskins on my wet bike with the same tubes). Thanks for sharing!
@ian_pedalz
Жыл бұрын
I actually made my first KZitem video recently because of how much I disliked silca sealant. Not only does the carbon fiber clump up, any of it that is free to be used goes straight towards the bead on the original seal. It dries out super fast(instantly when I use Co2 and not my frame pump) and has a hard time sealing on 33mm road/dirt road gravel tires.
@rct8884
3 ай бұрын
I have had great results with Silca Ultimate and did not experience the large clumping you showed. Agree that it dries out faster than others but for me it works well with my Conti TT tyres. Also I found that the sealant comes off way easier than others for a fast internal tire maintenance cleaning.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Who knows I may give it another try 😂
@martinkroutil
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I will never try tubeless because of this mess. Vitoria latex tubes with GP5000 for the win, combo with lowest rolling resistance and no problems, just to pump it up and go, simple.
@mikesuperg
Жыл бұрын
I had a very similar experience with road tubeless in general, and Silca sealant in particular. Went back to tubes.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Yeah Silca sealant is the worst for road tubeless.
@mikesuperg
Жыл бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I had the exact same clumps. Incredibly hard to clean out the wheel and tire. Clogged my valve cores, AND stem, AND even a track pump. I had to replace the chuck which I broke trying to get that stuff out. Anyway…thanks for the video and for making me feel not like an idiot for going back to tubes. 😂
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
@@mikesuperg ha ha you’re not an idiot! This entire road tubeless debacle needs to be blamed on all the sales and marketing departments from all the KZitem channels, tubeless tire manufacturers and sealant manufacturers!
@StanEby1
Жыл бұрын
Long live rim brakes and tubes! All the best.
@BrianRPaterson
7 ай бұрын
From time. to time the idea of going road tubeless creeps into my head. It's lighter. More supple. Flat-resistant. Etc. Then slowly I remember about all the faffing around involved in setting it up and keeping it going. Like needing a compressor to seat the tire, checking and refreshing sealant regularly, and so on. Not to mention what happens if anything goes wrong. So I've stuck to the old faithful -- butyl tubes. I've had one flat in the last three years, which took me 5 minutes to fix. You don't miss what you've never had. Cheers
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
You're doing the right thing for you. Lately I have had more luck with tubeless. Silca sealant is shit and a huge mess. I have been using Orange Seal at lower pressures on 28-32 tires. It seems to really work better at 65-70 psi. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@zukzworld
Жыл бұрын
Nope, not for me. I learned riding when I was seven, now in my mid forties, still use tubes (and some old school stuff). Although all my wheels are capable of being accept tubeless, some of these techs are simply not for me. Still my road bike is a rim brake metal bike (fancy metal, not carbon, because now I can afford it) and although I have a disk bike, but I only use it here at home. I travel with my rim brake road bike. And normal tire-tube combination. Yes, I love some techs, like di2, really happy with it.
@77hodag
Жыл бұрын
Lately I’ve been running GP 5000’s with Conti Race butyl tubes - old school Neanderthal technology but no flats for weeks, plenty fast, & only have to inflate once a week. Don’t even think about my tires - just jump on the bike & ride. I figure Conti specs their tires to perform best with their own tubes.
@clp91009
Жыл бұрын
I run GP5000s with Vittoria latex tubes and haven’t had a puncture in nearly 2 years and 8000km. I love how the latex tubes ride but you need to pump them up before every ride.
@waynosfotos
Жыл бұрын
Good to see your calling it out George.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Indeed my friend! Thanks for watching Wayne
@8rk
Жыл бұрын
I haven't had a flat tire in years with clinchers. and i ride garbage roads. I don't understand the problem tubeless is trying to solve. for 1% better performance, it's not worth all the headache.
@stibra101
Жыл бұрын
There are no performance benefits
@8rk
Жыл бұрын
@@stibra101 I know... just giving the benefit of the doubt.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Correct G E
@bengyantonio2965
Жыл бұрын
Gave up tubeless 1-2 months into it! I'll keep my rim brakes and inner tubes!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Yep you did the right thing!
@Simbostyle
Жыл бұрын
For road, I've moved away from tubless. Last year I picked up a puncture which wouldn't seal, decided I'd need to put a tube in, but couldn't get the valve stem out. This year, I'm using tpu tubes. 1 pinch flat from riding up a curb and too low of pressure (my fault). Easy and quick replacement on the road, and a quick repair back home. Oh, and everything stayed clean 😂. Tubes all the way!!! Have you had a hair cut George?
@charlesmansplaining
Жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. And not a moment to soon because if that sealant went into his hair he'd really be in a conundrum.
@Simbostyle
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@dsonyay
Жыл бұрын
Also.. I read Silca does not recommend filling via the valve because the area will clog up. I mentioned I use “Orange” brand. Works great so far.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Correct it’s not just a recommendation - it’s impossible to put their sealant through the valve. Their carbon fiber bits won’t go in.
@jmounce50
Жыл бұрын
You certainly have had your issues with tubeless. I run 35c Pirelli Centuratos with Bontrager sealant and it works well but I also run lower AIR pressure and I chose a more heavy duty tire due to my local conditions. It seems the bigger the tire and lower the pressure the better it works. Silica seems to really over-inflate how good most of their product line really is. Stan’s, orange seal and a few others all work great for MTB and larger gravel tires ran at lower pressures. Good luck with your search for the right solution.
@rudyelizondo1935
Жыл бұрын
Right on Bro, that’s why I still use tubes “tublito tubes”. Best lightest tubes n better puncture resistant! Conti tires 5000 too!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Rudy please consider subscribing!
@kjbeaud
Жыл бұрын
Wow what a mess. I have never tried tubless. Some people swear by it. But after seeing this im not sure I want to deal with it.
@markifi
Жыл бұрын
ultimate means the last item in a series, right? "this is the last sealant you'll ever use" can also have two different meanings. they weren't lying /jk
@kj.rising
10 ай бұрын
Silca just recently sealed up a decent sized nail. I don’t run my sealant dry though. 😂
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
10 ай бұрын
Yeah well that’s the point of the matter isn’t it? It wasn’t supposed to be dry sealant! It had only been in there fewer than 3 months. Sealant shouldn’t dry up and clump up like this in fewer than 3 months. That’s why I’m so disappointed at how terrible this “ultimate” sealant turned out to be.
@kj.rising
10 ай бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad interesting it dried up on you so quickly. Maybe try applying the replenish after a few weeks. I suppose time to dry out can vary depending on many factors.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
10 ай бұрын
@@kj.rising indeed it can vary I’m not sure what the right timing is yet.
@familiencartagena2852
8 ай бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad They are actually recommending to top up the sealant with replenish at 7-14 days on certain tires. I have just tried it on my gravel 700x45c after thinking about it for a year. Let's see how it goes right now with tubes i have 2-3 punctures a month. Even tried latex tubes and they were worse.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
8 ай бұрын
@@familiencartagena2852 gravel should work. Tubeless works for dirt not so great for road...yet. But think about this now they want you to buy their product to replenish every 7-14 days on certain tires. WTF? It's a money pit think of cost of ownership long term. Latex tubes is another huge expense for very little gain -- they bleed too much pressure in 8-12 hours for an Ultra Cyclist like myself. Let alone the loss of pressure over multiple days in unsupported racing. Nope Latex is not the answer either.
@sccxvelo
Жыл бұрын
Another reason from mess of changing a tire or tube why I will not go road tubeless. Other uses are a maybe depending on tire and planned regular use of wheels. You need two wheelsets minimal: one setup tubeless for wide dirt tires then the regular tubed setup for easy less messy tire change for all use. For thoes on a tight budget or storage space that is not acceptable to have two wheelsets when other needs taken into account. Especially if you do not race or do a lots of events, which covers most people that have bikes.
@lovenottheworld5723
Жыл бұрын
Tubeless road is a solution to a non-problem.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
reminds me of when Di2 came out lol
@kbengt2000
Жыл бұрын
100% agree on road tubeless being so much of a pain, it outweighs any benefit. I just did my first tubeless road tire change. NEVER AGAIN! The tires are premium cost over tube tires, the sealant is messy and more expensive than tubes, and the tire itself is even harder to get on than a tube tire (if you can imagine that)! And then the sealant dries up after about 12 months and you gotta do it all over again! NOPE!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Hello - actually sealant should be checked and replenished every 3-6 months. By 12 months it’s either dried up or has broken down (Stan’s becomes watery) so it should be looked after more often than 12 months!
@BikesBlades
11 ай бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad "tubeless is great!!! I just have to redo it all four times a year."
@kidsafe
Жыл бұрын
Orange Seal. Fillmore valves. (Vittoria Air Liners optional.) Silca and Muc-Off are princesses of KZitem reviews where they have a fresh pour and use a round stabby implement. Both are pretty terrible sealants in real-world usage.
@ian_pedalz
Жыл бұрын
Orange seal and Fillmore is the winning combo for me as well
@you43584036
Жыл бұрын
Only use Stans (tubeless old school). Easier on valve cores. Last flat 2020 (now jinxed). I try to avoid road debris.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
I hope you’re not jinxed now 😂
@RCBSHOW
Жыл бұрын
I did SLIME sealant and watered it down 50/50 with distilled water! It was good!
@sruo42
10 ай бұрын
How old was the sealant? Also what kind of weather / temperature / humidity was the bike stored in? Did you ever do a sealant top off with their stage 2 product? I've been running GP5000s with silca, and I've had a few punctures where they all sealed without losing hardly any air. It does make a mess but I think that's the cost of doing business with tubeless from what I understand.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
10 ай бұрын
Sealant is fewer than 3 months old. I live in SoCal no humidity and always moderate temperatures. No I did not use their additional money sucking product. I won’t ever use it again. I also Will tell my customers not to buy it.
@RKNG
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing the video. It solidifies my suspicion that Silca fiberfoam sealant isn't my preferred choice. The red flag for me is their discouragement of adding the sealant via the valve due to the risk of clogs. My experiences with tubeless have been consistently successful, even saving me from crashes. I recommend opting for tubeless tires that are easy to mount so you can always insert a tube when its needed. Personally, I prefer the P-zero.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Silca is led by Josh who is a good salesman. Please consider subscribing
@davidmurphy9151
Жыл бұрын
What PSI do you run? If those are 32s I think they are supposed to be at about 65psi.
@strandedpaki
Жыл бұрын
Reserve Fillmore valves, expensive but never get clogged. I know you're sick of this but never had any of the variety of issues you've had 🤷♂️ before the fillmores regular presta valves would sometimes get clogged. But that's about it. Never used the silca sealant I use orange seal endurance.
@kidsafe
Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Orange Seal. Fillmore valves. Dynaplugs. Green powder coat masking tape (3M 8992). Vittoria Air Liner Road optional. We can lead a horse to water...
@motostarmx1777
Жыл бұрын
i sold all my bikes and gear after watching this video...screw flats..ill just walk for exercise :)
@channul4887
Жыл бұрын
New cut? Looking spiffy. GCN seem to be now sponsored by Silca so they must be ultimate of the ultimate.
@cyclingjoezone
Жыл бұрын
Bummer. Sew-up might be easier than that tubeless setup.
@cornelhughes6763
Жыл бұрын
Yep had to change a Vittoria Corsa next TLR tire that had started to peel (1200 miles). Taking off the tire I noticed the large clumps (Silica Sealant). Explains why my other tire when I spin it there is a strange noise. Still undecided regarding whether I should go back to tubes (Ride Now) perhaps because I have a 2 year supply of Silica sealant and replenisher
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Oh my 2 years supply of that sealant?
@cornelhughes6763
Жыл бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yep, tend to buy large because I live in (Antigua) the islands (can't quickly get supplies)
@gaza4543
7 ай бұрын
Just bought some of this and I’ve just been reading up on all the horror stories with it think I’ll retune the tiers as well and just use some clinchers and latex tubes.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
I think Josh is a good salesman :-)
@gaza4543
6 ай бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I’ve seen someone refer to it as basically glue. And I think I basically agree.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
@@gaza4543 yes indeed! It feels like when we used to put Elmer’s glue on our hands in Kindergarten 😂
@crack0n
Жыл бұрын
tubeless for >32mm tyres and tubes for
@BungHoleCamper
Жыл бұрын
Road tubeless is SHIT! Give me tubes any day of the week. My new Madone came with tubeless and I converted before my first ride. Farking SCRAP!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your honesty! 😂
@jms493
4 ай бұрын
Tubeless on gravel with 30-40 PSI and TPU tubes on road running about 70 PSI.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
4 ай бұрын
Yes, tubeless works great for gravel riding! And now that I’m riding 32 tires tubeless is working really well at 63 psi
@dsonyay
Жыл бұрын
I’m running tubeless on a set of Boyd Podiums because it’s impossible for me to get a tire on it when running tubes. Only issue I had was a bad sidewall puncture that would not seal.. even with a plug kit .. even doubled up and wouldn’t seal. Had to buy a new rear tire (happened on second ride). 800 miles later no issues. Using “Orange” sealant. I read Silca has a lot of fiber in the liquid, so I think that is the cause of the clumping. Mountain bikers love silca. For road biking I think it may be overkill and cause more issues due to the clumping. When exposed to air, it clumps up at the leak.. which may be why the valve stem clumps so easily… what a mess I really feel tubeless tires have a long way to go, even though people are insisting that it’s all great right now, it’s not it’s still a big mess I dont think mountain bikes care. Lol. Anyway.. buying a new bike soon and will run tubes in them (RideNow TPUs)
@rauli386
Жыл бұрын
Tubeless on the road works great, it is the present
@charlesmansplaining
Жыл бұрын
@@rauli386 🤣🤣 Your delusional.
@mattg8019
Жыл бұрын
How are TPU tubes in comparison to tubeless and butyl?
@steva_nolimits
Жыл бұрын
Only for disc , not for rim because of the heat from rims, so if u going downhill and have to break often, can exploded, happened to my friend, luckily he was safe
@nme700
Жыл бұрын
George has a video on his experience with TPU. If I recall correctly, he had a flat not long after trying TPUs.
@mattg8019
Жыл бұрын
@@steva_nolimits Was he using carbon or alloy rims?
@mattg8019
Жыл бұрын
@@nme700 I guess im sticking to butyl until i do more research then
@user-zg4tw3qc5m
2 ай бұрын
I watched your video before installing my tubeless with Silca. I had no issues with the install and did it in my basement. I made a point of checking sealant after one month. It still was liquid and there was plenty of it. However I did note that the fibres seemed to have gone somewhere so I topped up a little. I ran pipe cleaner with a very small bit of hobby lube on them through the value stems before install. I have had no clogging issues. I double wrapped the rim tape too. Yes the stuff is like glue. How long was it since you put sealant in? The whole thing looked very dry. I do think tubeless has a way to go for road, however I love the low PSI comfort. Thanks for your video.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
2 ай бұрын
@@user-zg4tw3qc5m it had been about 2 months but not more than 3 months. I think someone mentioned you can’t use CO2 with Silca. Maybe that caused the sealant to dry up 🤷 Also running 30mm and 32mm tires will make it easier to pour Silca into the tire since you can’t push it through the valve.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
2 ай бұрын
@@user-zg4tw3qc5m please keep in touch. I’d like to know what your long-term experience is with Silca sealant. Thanks for watching. Please consider subscribing.
@user-zg4tw3qc5m
2 ай бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Yes I will follow up. I had ordered the sealant just before I watched your video so I thought I had better check things just in case. I also followed the advice on Silca's video for install. Yes I have heard of CO2 causing issues with sealants. In our cycling journeys we all end up being part of someone's R&D department. Thanks again.
@nolhannconan
26 күн бұрын
@@user-zg4tw3qc5mupdate ?
@ae5498
Жыл бұрын
Been there back to oldskool, conti 5000 again with iner tube
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Yep I have plenty of tubeless wheels to wear out before I can use my clincher tires
@thriftest
Жыл бұрын
Hey man, I get this totally. Looks like your sealant had dried out first and you just got the dregs that wouldn't seal the cut. You definitely don't have 60ml of it on your bike and legs, and you can see it's not really enough liquid inside when you take off the tire. Silca stuff dries out quick apparently, which is why you also ended up with that ball of goop. Your wheels would have been way out of balance. Its definitely a hassle and problem to have to keep it all topped up. I can understand tubes look way easier. Good luck with your riding!
@BikesBlades
11 ай бұрын
If you keep topping off the sealant as it dries out - aren't your tires/wheels getting heavier every time?
@xawerionify
Жыл бұрын
I use dynaplug. During all my rides. And you should change that sealant for another one. Road tubeless are Awesome . Seriously I have been using this for several years without problems so that I don't even carry an inner tube with me anymore.
@channul4887
Жыл бұрын
anecdotal evidence n ting
@charlesmansplaining
Жыл бұрын
Was you not watching the video where he pulled out that clump of sealant? I my mountainbiking days I had those all the time with the Stan's sealant. It's what it does and you can't say otherwise.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
That sealant is new as of March 16 - 2 days before an event barely in there 3 months
@84imreplica
Жыл бұрын
As luck would have it I recently switched over from Stans to Silca when I installed new tires on my road bike. ☹
@user-cx2bk6pm2f
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I think many of us have had it and are tired of hearing tubeless zealots pushing this garbage. They need to put a sock in it until they figure out clinchers still rule.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
We’re on 14 years of this tubeless marketing BS about how it’s going to solve everything and it’s still shit!
@BikesBlades
11 ай бұрын
OK, pedantic person here: tubeless tires technically *are* clinchers. But I understand what you meant.
@poxcr
9 ай бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad It appears to be only you and your followers who have constant problems with tubeless. LOL!
@mikekilbride2116
3 ай бұрын
Perhaps it did not seal quickly due to it having dried out. If you had replenished after 120 or so days then this is not a great advert. If you had not replenished, then it is a different story. Agree about the valve problem but there is an easy fix for that with a light oil and some pipe cleaners, do this at same time as you replenish. I agree that when t goes wrong it is pretty terrible, I have had two failures, was able to fix both but on reflection one was my fault, for poor prep, the other was a tire slices that nothing could have helped. Anyway, good video that help us with the debate.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
3 ай бұрын
Hello Mike thanks for watching! I guess the issue I have with this product is having to keep it from drying out. I now have to be another product from Silca to replenish. It dried out in 2 months time far too quick. Anyway, I’ve been using Orange Seal on 28, 30 and 32 tires. So far so good 😊 Please consider subscribing
@chrisharley4353
3 ай бұрын
The clumps of fibers are the sealant clogging a hole. I love the Silca sealant.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
3 ай бұрын
clumping is one thing this was a ball of sealant. There are plenty of sealant choices on the market. We can all find an option that works for each of us. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing.
@miketatreau2347
4 ай бұрын
I've been using Stan's Tubeless Sealant on my mountain bikes for years. I ride in the Arizona desert, and I've never had a flat, and every puncture quickly seals without making a mess. It has been a game-changer for me. Perhaps it's the higher pressure that makes tubeless less reliable in road tires. I've often thought about getting a road bike, but the prospect of going back to dealing with innertubes and fixing flats on the side of the road was unthinkable for me. I was beginning to feel optimistic about tubeless road tires, but after seeing what happened to you, it seems that tubes really are the lesser of two evils.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
4 ай бұрын
It's the high pressure of road tires that is the issue. Lately I have been riding 32 tires on crucial events. My pressure is down to 55-58 psi. I have a lot more confidence that it will seal at those pressures. Tubeless is awesome for MTB and Gravel!
@strandedpaki
Жыл бұрын
But if you hate it so much why do you keep using tubeless tires?
@poxcr
9 ай бұрын
Because otherwise he wouldn't have anything to rant about for his followers!
@rrvolk
Ай бұрын
😮😮😮just ordered some, haven’t used it yet tho
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Ай бұрын
Good luck! It’s good for what it was designed to do.
@michellesgoldberg
Жыл бұрын
Well, that royally sucks! With everything I'm hearing, I'll stick with tubes on my road bike, and probably my gravel bike. Tubeless on mtn bike makes sense with thorns and such.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Yes MTB tubeless is awesome!
@SebastienDegardin
Жыл бұрын
I’ve had a similar experience with SILCA and thinking about moving back to a tube setup. I emailed the SILCA team and commented on one of their video but they didn’t bother to reply and provide some help.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Well there you go!
@openwheelracing88
Жыл бұрын
that sealant will permanently stain everything. Number one reason I went back to latex.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Which brand did you decide to go back to?
@cornelhughes6763
Жыл бұрын
Trying to figure out how I can remove the sealant (dried) from a defective tire in order to get the serial number. Seems impossible
@openwheelracing88
Жыл бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad latex innertube
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
@@openwheelracing88 oh lol! Yeah Latex tubes won’t work for me 😭
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
@@cornelhughes6763 is it the Silca stuff? Well of course they created a product to remove their sealant off of stuff. It’s a money grab by Silca
@lichray
9 ай бұрын
I do enjoy some outcome of the tubeless trend, such as spokehole-less rims, so that I can install my inner tubes without rim tapes 😊
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
9 ай бұрын
Ha ha nicely done!
@cjelvado
4 ай бұрын
Agreed. I only use tubeless for gravel and MTB. I also use Orange Seal, which has always worked well for me in those applications. Sorry your ride was ruined. That sucks.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. Things have improved now that I am running no less than 28's and running Orange Seal, Please consider subscribing
@luxsasha
Жыл бұрын
Ive had zero issues with road tubeless
@channul4887
Жыл бұрын
phewww, thanks man, I'm glad we can close this discussion now that you confirmed you have had 0 issues
@charlesmansplaining
Жыл бұрын
You just jinxed yourself. 🤣🤣
@BikesBlades
11 ай бұрын
But it looks like 80% of your mileage is on Zwift though
@Chris._P._Bacon
2 ай бұрын
Yep!! I ain't going tubeless, even though my new Token wheels are tubeless ready, they are staying with the tube + GP5000.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
2 ай бұрын
Fair enough! I think it is a good system once you get your tire size up over 30mm and get the pressures down below 70psi. There is a lot of maintenance required to keep the sealant fresh and depending on the sealant it can be overbearing if you just like to ride your bike and not fuss with stuff all the time lol
@bobwells1517
7 ай бұрын
Sealant brands aside, I think part of the issue with road tubeless are the relatively high air pressures. I think the sealants just get overpowered by the higher pressures? I'm moving to 28s with less pressure (have always run 25/26 at close to 90 psi - yes, I'm big) to see if that's the sweet spot. I wouldn't give up on tubeless yet - for me, the vastly improved road feel was reason enough. Flats suck, good luck!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
7 ай бұрын
You are absolutely correct! I’ve been trying to make tubeless work since 2008. At the time 25 mm tires were considered big for road cycling now 28 mm tires are considered standard with many bikes coming stock with 30 mm and 32 mm tires Ever since I moved over to 28 mm tires and started running 70 psi the sealant has had a better opportunity to seal up the puncture. This weekend Jessica and I are doing a 200 km event. It will most likely rain on us. We will be riding 32 tires at 60 psi, I weigh about 150, she weighs about 125. The lower pressure will give us better traction on the road and might help the sealant take care of any punctures. We expect punctures because of all the rain. Thanks for watching. Please give us an update on your experience after going to bigger tires and lower pressure. Please consider subscribing.
@ericbolduc7955
Жыл бұрын
I dunno man, I run tubeless everything and have never had a mess or clumps like that.
@rauli386
Жыл бұрын
I run tubeless and it just works great without an issue
@ericbolduc7955
Жыл бұрын
@@rauli386 maybe its the Silca stuff that doesn’t work well. Although its not surprising to see a boomer with a rim brake bike shit on tubeless. Nothing wrong with tubes or rims brakes or disc . brakes and tubeless to each his own. But to say tubeless sucks its a bit of a stretch honestly, nothing is perfect and i sense a bit of retrogrouchness here lol.
@poxcr
9 ай бұрын
Right?
@stibra101
Жыл бұрын
Tubeless is for MTB tires and 1 bar pressure.
@tekesbur
Жыл бұрын
Man you sound frustrated. I’m watching you chuckling because something similar happened to me on my third ride with tubeless. I said F no not again and been happily riding my clinchers since then.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Since 2008 (early adopter) I’ve been testing and evaluating tires, rims and sealant and it still doesn’t work 😢
@robthompson6674
Жыл бұрын
It's fair for you to be infuriated by that situation, but my personal experience with road tubeless has been remarkably successful (Conti 5000s, ENVE hooked rims and Stan's). I 100% agree that "just put a tube in it" is BS. If you have a useful amount of sealant in your tires, removing them to insert a tube is a huge mess (especially on the side of a road). Gotta carry a Dynaplug (which is smaller than a spare tube anyway). Not foolproof, but damn close.
@charlesmansplaining
Жыл бұрын
Looks like he already had a big mess even before he could attempt to repair the puncture.
@richardsutton6742
6 ай бұрын
It’s rubbish and I say this from bitter experience. Apart from the faff of putting the stuff in, I had a puncture which not only failed to seal but sprayed sealant all over the rear triangle of my bike. It took over 2 hours to clean it off. Needless to say, yep back to tubes
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
Indeed it is! Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@WowRixter
Жыл бұрын
The topic that keeps on giving
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t that true?
@ozgurinsan
Жыл бұрын
i use tubeless and i dont have a problem.
@dafyddlovestocycle
8 ай бұрын
Looks like you allowed the sealant to dry in the tyre. Silca recommends adding sealant replenisher every 90 days to keep the liquid fresh
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
8 ай бұрын
This was MUCH less than 90 days. Furthermore, why do I need to buy another product from them to keep it liquified? Don’t you see the money pit?
@occidentalexplorer1125
10 ай бұрын
I agree 100%. I put the Fiber foam in my set up and less than 24 hours it harden. I sent the photo I took of the sealant to Silca and their reply was so condescending and they blamed me for my inexperience. I have been working in bike shops and the industry in various forms for 30 years and have never experienced this much failures with one product. Josh is more of a used car salesmen than anything else. So I went back to tubes and haven’t had a single problem other then the normal issues of a flat every so often. Flats are a less headache than dealing with sealant getting every where and failing in the most inconvenient times. Silca is a joke and Josh is a con artist.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
You are 100% correct! Josh is a freaking used car salesman more than an inventor or innovator. He is so full of shit it's almost criminal. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@freeskitim800
3 ай бұрын
I've been riding road tubeless for 10000K and I would never go back!!!! Ever!!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
3 ай бұрын
That’s not even half a year of riding. But thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@rodjonsson813
Жыл бұрын
Du-ude. How did things ever get so far?
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Ha ha - I’m here to show people that I try and try to make it work and it sucks 😂
@leezavarise
2 ай бұрын
Here's the thing with tubeless. Any puncture you get that's big enough that you know about you'd be replacing the tube anyway. But I bet there's probably 20 punctures that you had no idea about that the sealant sealed. Been riding tubeless on my road bike since 2017 and I've never had a puncture large enough that I couldn't make it home.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
2 ай бұрын
I’ve never had a puncture I didn’t know about “…there’s probably 20 punctures…” myth. And of course you’ve been riding tubeless since 2017 and everything has been perfect. My guess you probably don’t ride much.
@leezavarise
2 ай бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Wow, a bit sensitive to this subject? the 20 punctures you didn't know about is 100% not a myth, when you remove the tire it's clearly visible where the sealant has gone and sealed up thorn holes. Lot's of blackberries around here. Of course I've had issues, as I stated though I've never had a puncture large enough that I couldn't at least make it home. And I ride enough that test size is large enough. I don't really care either way if people use tubeless or not I was just voicing my opinion based on experience in what I thought was a neutral way. On the group rides I have attended (I prefer solo) there has always been more issues with tubes than tubeless. I've had good success with OrangeSeal
@MarkMathew2050
Жыл бұрын
Are you mixing sealant? Also silica have a top up solution. Your sealant is all dry
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
No not mixing sealant. And that’s the point of how stupid riding tubeless is - you have to worry about your sealant drying and keeping it topped up
@stevenlevitz8895
Жыл бұрын
REV Roadie Rants! 🤠
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
REV Retrogrouch rants :-)
@poxcr
9 ай бұрын
Wondering how many punctures tubeless sealant has fixed for all these naysayers without they even noticing. Then, once they experience that one flat that sealant couldn't seal they're all over the internet claiming it doesn't work. It'd be like claiming airplanes are dangerous and don't work because there was a plane crash in the news. It's easy to talk trash about products/technologies only when they fail.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
9 ай бұрын
I hear what you’re saying. However, I’m not Chicken Little. I’ve been trying to make tubeless work since 2008. Can you say you have been riding tubeless since 2008? Can you say you have been riding since 2008? Can those that claim tubeless is flawless say they’ve been riding tubeless since 2008? Rhetorical questions of course. The thing is I’ve ridden thousands upon thousands of miles on tubeless. I’ve set up brand new tires brand new sealant for real important events and had it fail. The success rate over all the years I’ve experimented with tubeless has been about 1 out 10. I’ve been in a shop environment since 2004 and see all the bad of tubeless and none of the good. But here’s the bright side, now that the bike industry has moved to disc and the consumer has moved to 28, 30 and 32 tires because their ride quality sucks on their disc brake overly stiff carbon frame now tubeless will begin to work better with 32 tires at 50 psi. It works phenomenal on gravel and MTB at lower pressures. By the way, there’s always sealant spray on your bike so to say how many punctures have sealed without someone knowing isn’t a good theory. I routinely ride 10,000 miles per year and climb 1,000,000 feet per year all outside you can follow me on Strava thanks for watching please consider subscribing You can follow me on Strava: www.strava.com/athletes/5473
@BrandonAquino-mu5fl
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for letting us know about Silca. Any thoughts on Orange Seal instead?
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
4 ай бұрын
Orange Seal is what I’ve been using lately.
@bretthadley2043
11 ай бұрын
Did you use the replenisher ???
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
11 ай бұрын
No! I’m not spending any more money on Siica sealant products. This stuff is terrible!
@bretthadley2043
11 ай бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad just curious if this is why it clumped up. 🤷
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
11 ай бұрын
@@bretthadley2043 yes it was weird that it clumped up. I’ve seen this clumping with Stan’s as well. Some folks have said that this Silca stuff doesn’t do well with CO2. I hadn’t used CO2 though
@user-cx2bk6pm2f
Жыл бұрын
Tubeless sucks, agreed(!), but that Bianchi is awesome.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Yes and yes!
@larryt.atcycleitalia5786
7 ай бұрын
C'mon man! You just have to learn all the (and I mean all) of the extra work and expense involved in "enjoying" road tubeless! Josh at Silca just dropped a video on how ya gotta remove and shake your wheels regularly to check for dried-out sealant, how ya gotta "treat" your valve stems and on...and on. After watching it I just added it all to the rest of the reasons I've never bothered with this "technology". Might be great for low-pressure, fat MTB tires, but even then..a $5 butyl inner tube is hard to beat unless you've got a team director in a car with spare bikes on the roof behind you on every ride!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
thanks for watching
@theinstigatorr
6 ай бұрын
I would have replenished the sealant, looks dried inside
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
Unfortunately it had only been in there about 3 months at the most. There is a LONG saga with sealants and tubeless tires going back to 2008 trying to make it work. This isn’t just one instance but this Silca stuff is the messiest to work with. Thanks for watching please subscribing
@user-cx2bk6pm2f
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for having the guts to say it... ROAD TUBELESS SUCKS 👍
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
You’re Welcome! Thanks for watching!
@ozgurinsan
Жыл бұрын
So why do you insist on using tubeless?
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
I don’t insist on using tubeless. I am a KZitem channel that must experiment, review and report to the viewers my findings. Whether it be tires, sealant or wheels you deserve to hear my personal experience if something is good and you should spend your hard earned money on it or it sucks and you should walk away. What value would my channel be to you if all I did was regurgitate all the bike industry marketing bullshit that’s out there? Thanks for watching
@ozgurinsan
Жыл бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad fair enough.
@jerseybarrier64
9 ай бұрын
Though I am running tubeless on my main road bike, I can’t say you are wrong on any of your points. And agree 100% the Silca sealant is by far the worst of the lot.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
9 ай бұрын
It’s a mixed bag. Lately I have been experimenting with Orange Seal again. It seems to be working. I had a nail puncture seal on a 28 tire at 70 psi.
@jerseybarrier64
9 ай бұрын
Orange seal seems to be the best of the rest it does all things not so bad. Thanks for being outspoken on a product that did not meet your expectations . We do not see it much these days.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
9 ай бұрын
@@jerseybarrier64I call balls and strikes on this channel. When something works I will post about it. When it doesn’t work I won’t yield to bike industry marketing BS. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@jerseybarrier64
9 ай бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Done!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
9 ай бұрын
@@jerseybarrier64 Thank You for your subscription!
@MrSandperson0
Жыл бұрын
whoa....not even a "we'll see you up the road" 😬
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was a bit grumpy 😠 I almost didn’t post this video but Jess recommended that I should post it. 😂
@MrSandperson0
Жыл бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I'm glad you posted it...The clumping makes me think the sealant is trying to balance your wheel (like tire beads do for car tires) and it ends up clumping against itself since it has a lot of particles in it. I'm just guessing though...I have no advanced degrees in "tire sealant clumping" or anything close 🙂 I don't ride as much as you and I didn't see clumping when I used Silca. I've switched to Orange because Silca dried out quickly.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
@@MrSandperson0 I purchased some Orange Seal. I haven’t used it in years but I will continue banging my head against the wall and keep attempting to make tubeless work - sigh 😔
@doughorner5730
6 ай бұрын
Such a retro-grouch! I wonder why tubeless tires work so well for me and my friends?
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
Yep I wonder too! By the way, I proudly call myself a Retro-Grouch and I have so many videos on how the so-called new tech is all a bunch of marketing bullshit. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing 😊
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
6 ай бұрын
And Silca sealant is the messiest of the bunch
@doughorner5730
6 ай бұрын
I use stans and patiently wait while the tubed riders repair their flats along the roadside. I don't judge. @@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@doughorner5730
6 ай бұрын
Why are you piloting that carbon rocketship? You should be riding one of those old timey steel single speeds with a tire around your neck and a scowl on your face!@@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@doughorner5730
6 ай бұрын
I subscribed to your channel you old geezer! jk, I'm an even older geezer 🙃@@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@salsalawyer
Жыл бұрын
Orange Seal?
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Yeah maybe I’ll have to try it. I haven’t used orange seal in years after one of my customers complained that the sealant stained his Assos clothing 😳
@aaronhamlen8215
Жыл бұрын
What a mess no thank you.
@tomutadaniel7919
Жыл бұрын
I got the same issue with Silca sealant and Continental tires 5000 S TR - 3 punctures in 2 months.. 0 puncture protection. "top" products and only lies on products descriptions.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
It drives me crazy that all we hear is how great tubeless is but it just hasn’t lived up to the hype
@BikesBlades
11 ай бұрын
In my experience, the cyclists who rave about road tubless are (a) newbs and/or (b) they don't work on their own bikes.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
11 ай бұрын
OMG! So true 😂 😂
@familiencartagena2852
8 ай бұрын
That's not my experience. I know several that are fine with tubeless on their road bike. I personally use tubes, and old heavy butyl tubes
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
8 ай бұрын
@@familiencartagena2852 It's really hit and miss. I am using Orange Seal on another wheel set with Continental 5000 STR 28mm at 70 psi. The sealant has been working there with a Dynaplug inserted. But Silca sealant is so messy and apparently you can't use CO2 when you get a puncture and want to top off while out on the road/trail. That makes it a show stopper. Not too mention it can't be poured in through the valve so again a show stopper for road.
@robmeredith9631
5 ай бұрын
Another video of someone complaining about tubeless when they aren’t maintaining it properly…. If I had to guess, you didn’t add the replenisher until after the sealant had dried out. I found it funny that your complaining about the mess year when you too the sealant out the tire was dry! 😂 What’s the use of complaining when you don’t use the product properly.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
5 ай бұрын
The product sucks! And it should not have dried up in less than 2 months. And why keep throwing good money after bad by using a replenisher on top of the sealant - think about it. Silca sealant is crap it’s messy and costly. Also there was a mess all over the part that was liquid and then there was a clump of it in the tire. What’s the use of posting when you don’t have all the facts? But thanks for watching 😊
@robmeredith9631
5 ай бұрын
What you’re presenting are opinions, not facts. In the world of sealants I’ve tried most and Silca has by far been the best. It has been the only sealant to seal punctures even side wall punctures. Yes, tubeless requires maintenance. Silca requires a little more than competitors, but it also works well. Depending on the time of year I find I need to add replenisher every 70-90 days. It also needs an early top off after a new installation, or an extra ounce +\- on initial set up due to the fact that the tires aren’t airtight from manufacturers. What facts am I missing? If Silca is crap, what tubeless sealant do you recommend?
@ianthompson6268
Жыл бұрын
so much nope.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Ha ha correct!
@rodcosta2345
Жыл бұрын
Yikes.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
Yep! It’s the messiest of all sealants. I would deal with it if it worked but it’s just as bad as all the others
@AwesomeAngryBiker
Ай бұрын
ruined with ads, greedy
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Ай бұрын
@@AwesomeAngryBiker sorry friend, but I have no control on how many ads KZitem puts in my videos. But the ads is how KZitemrs make money. You should know this by now. So get over it or don’t watch KZitem. 👌 Thanks for watching please consider subscribing. I keep it real on this channel.
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