Strongly disagree that more weight = better quality. In fact I think it’s opposite of that. Most of Certainteed and IKOs shingles contain a ton of binder in them which will get brittle and break easier especially in colder climates. I do think across the board that the quality of asphalt flux has degraded substantially over the past 15-20 years. If the flux is mixed correctly with the correct polymers and cured correctly then the lighter product will out perform. Only way to effectively have this argument is to do engineering de-saturation testing of the shingles not grading them based on the number on the scale.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Malarkey won 2020 shingle comparison and were lighter than most. When we called them this week they told us 210lb, when we weighted them they were 210. We are ok with lighter shingles being lighter, but if manufacturer doesn’t know it’s weight they can’t convince us they have good quality control to begin with.
@jonathonbroce
3 жыл бұрын
From your list only one manufacturer “quoted” the correct weight. There will be differences in weights per bundles. OC even says there will be 22-24 shingles in a bundle and that it’s on 96.3 sf per 3 bundles. There is no way to have perfection on the weight as it comes down the line. Each granule has different densities and has different weights. I guarantee you that every 2x4, sheet of drywall, sheet of osb etc you pick up will be a different weight as well.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Strongly disagree. 4 manufactures will have their weight close to claimed, other 5 will be 10% under minimum weight claimed. Look up Reese report, he has been doing it for decades. Two manufactures “lost” weight dramatically when they entered big box stores. They had to cut weight to save money. When you sell billion dollars of product and put 20lb less per square, can you imagine their savings? Especially if they charge as much as those who make 250lb manufacturers
@jonathonbroce
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I get your point that you are equivocating weight to more product. But that might not be the case. If the lighter shingles have more actual asphalt in them and less binder then they are putting more quality into the shingle? Could the heavier weight guys be the ones who are actually taking advantage of the consumer with leas quality Fillers and adding more weight with that and using less asphalt? I don’t think that question can be answered with out de-saturation testing.
@jonathonbroce
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 by the way. I have respect for what you are doing in the industry- and I like having opposing dialogue on these things. Lol. I will always be respectful bc that’s how we all get better and learn.
@RM-bl4tg
Жыл бұрын
As a homeowner your video was exactly the information I was looking for. It was concise and to the point. You covered all the shingle brands and comparing them saved me a lot of time. Wish there were more videos like yours on other subjects. Great job. Thanks.
@featheramericangoodeagle
3 ай бұрын
Post covid anything is going to be sketchy to begin with. I roofed my house with Oakridge architectural shingles because the brand I wanted was not available at the time my roofing was planned. An insurance adjuster was amazed a few years back when checking out the condition of the shingles. The adjuster said it was one of the best roofing they had seen in a long time. The roof as installed in 2001. Still going strong in 2024. Everything this man said about materials being a commodity is absolutely the truth. Sadly, the consumer loses in the end and doesn't get the same bang for his buck. I am planning a new roof now, and this market makes me nervous.
@petemisc4291
Жыл бұрын
I don’t see GAF HDZ on your list, I have a single GAF Timberlake HDZ shingle and I have one of Certain Teed Landmark and the GAF is paper thin and light and tons of roofer are using them in my hail damaged area
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
From Insights: 00:23 We’re going to answer this important question 02:32 GAF HDZ 02:57 IKO Dynasty 03:44 Tamko Heritage 04:25 BP Vanguard 04:57 OC Duration 05:32 PABCO Premier 06:04 Malarkey Highlander 06:46 CertainTeed Landmark 07:03 Shingles are a commodity product 08:49 If shingle is truly better, they should know weight 11:05 Building materials should be heavier
@yoojenni0926
3 жыл бұрын
This is insane ! The truth always come to light . I like how transparent Certainteed is that’s why we use them !
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Certanteed has always been on point with their weight! For the last 4 years
@richardmarciano7755
3 жыл бұрын
Same here
@Jinglejingle1992
Жыл бұрын
I am thinking to use certainteed. Is this the good brand?
@tomknapp4395
3 жыл бұрын
I didn't know I had a brother in Mpls!! Thanks for telling the truth, protecting our elders and for being a beacon of light. Well done!
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you brother. Good to have you around. Thanks for support
@TJ-nz9bp
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! A quick note, is it fair to compare the others with Malarkey Highlander vs Vista? In my opinion and experience a heavier shingle has a couple other benefits that are not mentioned. 1. There has to be some benefit for preventing wind damage/blow off just by pure weight without considering the seal. 2. A heavier/thicker shingle will do a better job at preventing nail pops from protruding through the shingle. In the Midwest, nail pops are way to common!
@douglee5990
3 жыл бұрын
Great observation. RI needs to separate the categories into market positions. You can't compare shingle that are $40 / sq more expensive to each other. Modified shingles are separate category. You don't compare 3Tabs to Lams. Nor should you compare Lams to Mod Lams, Lams to designer shingles, etc.
@handsroofingllc8178
3 жыл бұрын
Just 10 years ago shingles were rated 30, 40, and 50 year warranty. The heavier the shingle, the longer the warranty. Enter 2020, and this formula has magically changed? And please don’t try to sell me under “better sealants”! Roofing contractors are tired of getting our intelligence tested with lower quality products That continue to cost us more money year after year!
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Facts. Preach brother
@bryantjones8039
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great video and honesty. If more people like yourself would do more testing and videos, prayerfully we would begin to have less people taking advantage of people which is essentially lying and robbing the people. One day we will all have to give in to account for all of our deeds.
@Iroofit
3 жыл бұрын
We used to use the lighter weighted shingles and it didn’t take us long to figure out that the heavier shingles were much thicker
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Did you switched only because of the weight? What else contributed to your decision to switch brands?
@Iroofit
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 it was two reasons I noticed that the current brand was not putting as much product in there shingles and the new offered a lot better quality
@timothydevries383
3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see some accelerated aging tests such as thermal cycling/shock and UV exposure. This would be a true test of what most people what to know about which is longer term durability.
@MaineOutdoorsChannel
Жыл бұрын
Certainteed is for me
@TheBobackerman
3 жыл бұрын
I think the sealant strength and longevity would be more important than weight alone. That is very hard to test on a new shingle
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
True, and we take that in consideration as well
@danielk8926
3 жыл бұрын
Been putting roofs on since 1989. Thicker is better. The thin shingles shed the granules, crack quicker, sealant lines are taxed heavier and fail sooner. Basically don't fall for the sealant line being more important than weight.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for feedback! Agree with you
@thulsa5218
Жыл бұрын
Amen. Sooo true!
@joeldelamirande5792
3 жыл бұрын
For me weight is is important The glue, how it performs and a company that stands by there product
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
All important. Our 2021 shingle guilds will be the the best roofing guide ever put together. Few manufacturers will hate us, oh well
@unpopularopinion149
3 жыл бұрын
I agree it all comes down to cost and margin for the manufacturers. Ive always wondered what suppliers pay for materials versus the retail buyers like general public and contractors. Here in North Carolina HDZ, Atlas pinnacle pristine and Landmark are between $25-$27 per bundle in bulk. What does a manufacture make it for? And what does a supplier pay for it?
@pqm2023
16 күн бұрын
I would think thinner products are easier to handle, which is good for contractors.
@deconteesawyer5758
2 жыл бұрын
I'll buy the Malarkey product. The name is eponymous with your video content.
@adroitdrx3888
Жыл бұрын
I suspect the manufacturers can QC the weight down to a range of 3-5 lbs per square; not 15-20 lbs. If you weighed 100 bundles, i bet they'd be almost identical. I'd like to hear what it is about he manufacturing process that there is this much variance.
@literaryebooks
3 жыл бұрын
Shingles that way less are not better during hurricanes, snow storms, hail, etc...the lighter the shingles are the more they’re gonna fly off, so no lighter is not better for the homeowners-it’s great for manufacturers.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Good angle, but only if their sealant is decent, if they are heavier but sealant is not good their still will fly away. But I agree, weight is very important
@Jinglejingle1992
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I am comparing shingles from different brands.
@MrDjentli
3 жыл бұрын
Love the video bro. I almost feel like weight shingles would be fine with a proper tar seal but if they cant create something that prevents nail pops or mechanical damage, I’m not sure that lighter will be good until we create nano tech roofing systems, I pray to see the day. 😅
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the love! Nano tech roofing system sounds sexy!
@roofingtips
3 жыл бұрын
Damnit Kevin! You better be at work at 8:00 tomorrow. I’m tired of you always running off to Roofing Insights HQ!
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, easy boy with remote workers, some are more productive working from home!
@MrBigtime1986
3 жыл бұрын
TAMKO = I have the right to remain silent and I wish to speak to an attorney.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 plead 5th
@pinnacleroofing9841
3 жыл бұрын
Weight is a composit of all the ingredients together, thus ingredients should be the issue, not necessarily weight. A ton of crappy materials don’t substitute for lesser amounts of quality materials. There are several good manufacturers out there, we have settled on OC. OC came in on the lower end of weight scale but they are hands down better than IKO (IMO) which came in higher. Also, while in the past I felt GAF was a decent manufacturer, I have done too many inspections lately where I found GAF to not be laminated together. I have since started steering customers away.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Weight by itself doesn’t mean better quality shingle, but it’s good to see the difference in performance between heavier and lighter products
@Jake.Gentry
5 ай бұрын
I go with Owen Corning architectural shingles. So far they seem fine
@johnolson9614
3 жыл бұрын
I’m putting new shingles on my house soon and the contractor says I KO are the best I would like to hear some replies on anyone that’s got an opinion on heavier is better or what shingle is best thank you
@claudiacanales2662
2 жыл бұрын
Gaf vs. certainteed landmark? Which is better?
@nevg5908
3 жыл бұрын
One of the best ways to compare products is to take a few random samples from each brand, expose them to the same conditions and evaluate them over time. There is lab equipment that can simulate 30 years of weather exposure in a few months. The physical performance of the products can be tested before and after exposure. Very common engineering practice
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but how do we make them accountable to that? They can pass the test and put I. Writing it was 240lb shingle and switch to 200lb on next badge. Just like VW passed all tested because they cheated. Cost them billions.
@nevg5908
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 you help hold them accountable by creating public knowledge. Would love to see you do this test yourself! Evaluate a few random shingles from each brand, new out of the package. Then install a few on some plywood and let them sit outside for a year. Look for things like how well the sealant sticks, how well each one will bend until they break, and weight loss after one year 👍 I was previously a materials engineer for a roofing manufacturer. This would be one of the first type of test I would have scheduled to evaluate competition
@rooferscalgary
3 жыл бұрын
Weight matters, granules block the UV , over time erosion takes place so logically, if the shingle is made with quality, thicker = more life, however, for the longest time I refused to install BP because they would lose what seemed to be about 15% of their granules, it was totally trash , I’m not sure about today since they made changes.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Agree, granule retention is one of the most important metrics to pay attention to in shingle comparisons and quality controls in general
@joseivangonzalez5008
3 жыл бұрын
Hello. I would love an honest opinion on tamko heritage. I am a remodeler. Been doing a few roofs for the past couple of years. I am based in south texas. We try to give the best quality in workmanship and products. So far no issues, i still keep in contact with my roofing clients but we are always looking for ways to upgrade our standards. Love your videos very educational. Keep up the good work
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
check out 2020 roofing shingles guide. Thats our honest opinion.
@lindap.p.1337
3 жыл бұрын
Currently, we are getting ready to replace 30 year old Tamco Heritage shingles. No problems at all for 30 years. No problems now, never a leak, we are worried about the age. Insurance has questioned the age. SW Virginia.
@Jimmy-sj9ny
3 жыл бұрын
PABCO has a relatively new plant in Mansfield, TX. That's why we and several in our neighborhood got them. They have expanded westward from OR, WA and CA.
@destinjudy3915
3 жыл бұрын
I think there is a big differentiation between roofing in colder States versus warmer States. I'd like to talk to you more about the differences between asphalt shingles, because I am currently studying for my licensing in Florida. I hope to hear from you soon.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
I am licensed in Florida as well, contact us to schedule a call via website please: roofinginsights.com, Dmitry
@carltonmartin9430
3 жыл бұрын
Heavier the cell phone the better.... Cell phones made 10 years ago were better because they weighed more. Nothing to do with technology or what's inside it right?
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Argument straight from the manufacturer marketing manual. 2x4s that are 1 1/2 x 3 1/2 are better than true 2x4 right?
@carltonmartin9430
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 so everyone uses the same asphalt, mat, sealant, ect? Got it.
@carltonmartin9430
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 on the 2x4 comment it depends on what species of wood you are using. Yellow pine is a denser lumber compared to Spruce that is cheaper. Not all species of wood are the same. Same concept
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
@@carltonmartin9430 well, same wood. Let’s say manufacturer makes wood one size, late switches to thinner size to save money, no one gonna call it out? In asphalt shingle world: shingles went from 30 years to 50 years on paper to compete with products like metal. Than they went from 240lb to 200lb, remove weight from packaging, and if you call to ask what they weight answer might suprize you. If manufacturer don’t know what their product weight or off by 20lb per square, do they really have quality control to compare themself to computers? Heavier shingles on other side are on point: consistent and will tell you exactly what their weight is. They plants are newer and technology is more consistent!
@carltonmartin9430
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I didn’t know that all manufactures make shingles the exact same way, exact same technology, exact same raw materials. Now I know.
@deconteesawyer5758
2 жыл бұрын
Next episode he will rate shingles value on color. "Years ago the color saturation was so much better, now they won't even give the saturation number, just the proprietary Oxford Lane Green or Wells Spring Blue. More color is better right, just like a two x four. Only buy the yellow ones."
@243wayne1
Жыл бұрын
More color IS better... Class dismissed.
@gbb1419
Жыл бұрын
There's no way BP weighs that much. I lift the bundles all the time they feathers compared to Owen Corning Durations and Oakridge. I can rub my fingers together and tear them.
@alphawolfadventures1470
2 жыл бұрын
Got two separate quotes: landmark $11400 and GAF HDZ $9200. Each certified respected installers. Who would you go with?
@someone5895
5 ай бұрын
Landmark, all other things the same.
@bigsteam2884
3 жыл бұрын
30 yrs ago a 25yr laminate wgt 250 per sq a 50 325 as mfg tighten process variablitiy they start running to the lower end of specifications you also have to look at mix and consistency of ingredients mat wgt, coating and percent of fillers these effect quality more than weight it is all about min variation
@chrissmith-lp8zc
3 жыл бұрын
Well I think there are pros and cons for both. Heavier would be most likely to stay on a roof during a storm than lighter shingles, but depending on the structure and age of the house would depend if it can even take really heavy shingles. I’m no roofer, so take my option with a grain of salt. ;) lol
@randyjenkins8743
3 жыл бұрын
Me and my dad have noticed that bundles of OCs are way heavier than GAF.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
What market are you in?
@douglee5990
3 жыл бұрын
I would say that weight does matter up to a point. The trend in asphalt roofing is using proprietary compounds - not just asphalt and filler. It would be much more accurate to state the amount of asphalt (not filled coating = asphalt + filler) in the shingle may be more important than the overall weight. Note: Some of the big boys use very high filler percentages which makes for an inferior but slightly heavier shingle - why? because cheap filler is much more dense than asphalt. S.G. are 2.7x difference. It's much more complicated because you are dealing with very heavy granules, light asphalt, and very dense filler. It's a math thing. I have studied it for a decade and have come to some very interesting conclusions.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Solid point! Do you think they will share how much asphalt they put in if they can’t even share how much end product weight? Something we can weight ourself VS something we can’t....
@douglee5990
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 That is true - but there are methods to determine the % filler vs asphalt. I won't go into detail but it isn't that difficult. That would be an interesting test. I already know the answer and it will surprise you.
@chrisparmenter9582
3 жыл бұрын
Just curious.... what’s the heaviest shingle you have found.... I use pabco paramount advantage for shake style, mostly beachfront comes in at a “claimed” 495 lbs. per square. Premiere is 264 per sq. , and prestige should be 300 per square. I am always asking people in the company about specs and get very consistent numbers. One issue I found with IKO when I used Cambridge was the common bond seemed to be pressed through a roller. Wasn’t even a lip defined enough to catch my gun tip to line my next shingle. I can get consistent look, feel, weight, and color from pabco all day! People also talk about rotating bundles, making sure you don’t get different lots on the same job... I have installed pabco roof with different lots, and never had to rotate bundles ever, and never get color variance. I have several pictures to prove it, even a photo with new shingles mixed with 22 year old shingles. Hardly tell the difference. This is why I say longevity is most important and that comes from walking roofs daily.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Looks like you are impressed with Pabco, we have never used them, they are not available in our market, but we were impressed with bundles they sent us.
@chrisparmenter9582
3 жыл бұрын
Oregon company so I have access to them all over. They are made about 3 hours away from where I live. Been using them since I started roofing. Never had an issue.
@withoutpassid
4 ай бұрын
7:30 "Cheaper and lighter usually cost less". Wow, this guy "really" knows what he's talking about. LOL
@92DMADD
3 жыл бұрын
I could be wrong as I am not an IKO installer, but isn't the IKO Cambridge the equivalent of the other shingkes in the review, rather than the Dynasty?
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
I will just say this: IKO and all others were invited for 2020 shingle comparison. IKO, OC and others responded. We have agreed on product line. 2 were not allowed (reps couldn’t agree on in). Next year everyone invited again. If GAF, Tamko or anyone else don’t show up, decisions might be taken place without them. Here at roofing insights we listen to everyone, but when some don’t collaborate we do what’s right for the community: we publish results without them.
@92DMADD
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Understood, just figured I would ask because I thought Landmark Pro, UHD would be what were compared to the IKO Dynasty. I have customers that watch you guys as well as a few of us at work and just wanted to clarify for the customers. Thanks for the reply!
@asonofAbba2
3 жыл бұрын
I'm an Atlas fan. Didn't see the phone call with them. Did they share their weight with you?
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
They did!
@MrBigtime1986
3 жыл бұрын
well tamko has to disclose their weight for DOT right ?
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Probably. It’s speaks volumes when we hear that manufactures don’t want to share data. Like we can’t figure it out. 🤦♂️
@sticks6891
3 жыл бұрын
Heavier shingles are more better.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
What’s your favorite brand?
@Mldshitech
3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Have you’ll heard of Technonicol roofing shingles?? Are they good
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Going to test them next year when I go back to Russia/Europe. No clue how they compare
@Mldshitech
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 they claim their shingles can be installed over a roof by torching it over App membrane. Is torching allowed. If so why aren’t other manufacturers following this method
@Mldshitech
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 is torching of roofing shingle over App membrane possible? If so why is Technonicol recommending this method and other manufacturers don’t. Could u please let me know
@jcmoye1
3 жыл бұрын
Heavy shingles are not better and they don’t last longer. It’s all the look of a heavy shingles in your roof.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Can heavy shingles last longer? What made you say that? What shingles do You like?
@jcmoye1
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 a heaving shingles is less likely to be damaged by wind and hail. It’s doesn’t necessarily lag any longer than a thinner shingle. The heavy weight shingles also looks better.
@danielarguelles5241
11 ай бұрын
Funny how you say here that you like "Thicker Roofing Materials" because you think it's better, however you push thinner and much lighter weight Synthetics with your own brand name. Then at the end, you says for homeowners to give you a call for references and specs they should use....😂😂😂
@gregwood4593
3 жыл бұрын
There are so many ways shingle manufactures save money in the composition and manufacturing of their shingles, from start to finish its unregulated, we know one thing for sure their not improving their products, just their brochures & propaganda
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
It is regulated, but the biggest problem is once they shipped out they will never get recalled, now it’s warranty claims, and you know how that goes
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