I feel like the Hakiman Susanoo/Domain Expansion/etc. meme has made people think of it as a joke but nobody considers what the actual argument is, or why that became a big thing to begin with. Kaido and Luffy showed the ability to see the future with their Observation Haki, emit their Armament Haki to the point they could bypass durability entirely, and coat their attacks in Conqueror’s Haki. On top of that, Kaido has some of the most naturally powerful genetics in the world, and he ate a Dragon Devil Fruit. Luffy is a human but he ate what seems to be the strongest Fruit of all time besides possibly Imu’s, and he has now awakened his Fruit. But in their fight, Kaido told Luffy, paraphrasing, “Your Fruit can’t save you because ONLY HAKI CAN TRANSCEND ALL.” Shortly after the conclusion of their fight, Shanks performed a since-unseen feat of Haki mastery that was, for all intents and purposes, shooting Haki across Wano like a lightning blast. And in doing so he managed to HOLD A CONVERSATION with Greenbull. Shanks is by all means stronger than Luffy as of now. But he has no Devil Fruit and only one arm to use his sword with, while Luffy has possibly the best Devil Fruit. And it’s been spelled out explicitly what makes him stronger. Not only that, but as we saw in Amazon Lily, Luffy WITHOUT Haki win a fight against two Haki users, so you can imagine how ungodly busted Shanks has to be that Luffy is still blatantly inferior to him despite having advanced all his Haki forms to the same level as Kaido. Side note: Whitebeard’s Commanders wanted all the smoke in early Marineford. IIRC, if you go back to the official colored manga, you can see the coloring change completely when Whitebeard was sneak-attacked by Squard. It was treated like an entire event that Whitebeard was injured at all. And the more injuries Whitebeard took, the worse off his crew got. It was a neat narrative thing I noticed.
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
Well said
@peltycrikts6990
9 ай бұрын
We’ll have you factored the fact what Oda wrote the history of Mihawk already being undefeated by Shanks, stalemate. Then dumped Shanks as a rival, after losing his arm. Even when their rivalry was active Shanks as a swordsman, was already known as observation killer. And stated by impressed WB that their duels were legendary, heard across the world. It’s like dodging that literally means Mihawk has always been fighting Shanks confirmed to have very strong Haki, using high level technique’s. Proving he’s of the same caliber(strength), and capable on the level(only means same capabilities, not strength) of Shanks. So why would that change, actually what’s changed, nothing. Mihawk still rejects Shanks, even after becoming a Yonko Mihawk still to his face called Shanks a has been. And what’s established of Haki is only strong or and strong haki users can fight strong haki. And Haki usage is deeply connected to swords, all the top tiers of the series are conquers haki users. And majority are swordsmen with a named blade, or simply a wield a named blade, including Kaidou’s club as it’s also a blade in the series.
@yakiynisrael2409
8 ай бұрын
Oda did state that Shanks and Rayleigh have the same conquerors haki strength. Are we also to believe that Rayleigh can defeat Mihawk because of that? In a fight having one stat much higher than someone else isn't in itself enough to defeat someone.
@natureboyOP
8 ай бұрын
@@yakiynisrael2409 Oda did not state their coq haki was equal. He just said out of the 100,000 fishmen both of their haki would be able to knock them all out. It's not their limit, we just know both were atleast on the level to knock them all out. For all we know Rayleigh could knock out 1 million and Shanks 2 million or vice versa.
@yuan713
8 ай бұрын
Shanks being stronger than current Luffy is definitely just a theory some believe. We have nothing to suggest Shanks is beating Luffy at this point.
@zorostoned
9 ай бұрын
-Shanks uses sword to block the attack( while saving Koby from akainu). -Used his sword to attack Kidd from short range. -Used his sword to attack greenbull from several miles away. -He unsheathed and held his sword before challenging everyone in marineford. Shanks is obviously a swordsman. - If you really think mihawk is not stronger than shanks then why does Mihawk vivre card states that he is waiting for an opponent who will one day surpass his old rival shanks. - About mihawk not beating vista, mihawk already said that he is different from those stupid brutes who’d go all out just to hunt a mere rabbit.
@worldbosspf1
8 ай бұрын
That is because you think all commanders are weak. We have seen commanders like Rayleigh and Oden being able to match or even beat Yonkos. Why can't the same apply to Vista? Even Marco was stated to be able to take down a Post Marineford Yonko Blackbeard.
@zorostoned
8 ай бұрын
@@worldbosspf1 do you think vista could dodge or tank kamusari? Rayleigh and oden were very strong. Rayleigh is the first mate or the vice captain of the PK crew. And oden is the only character that whitebeard called brother and the rest of them son. He may be the second strongest character(after ryuma) from wano till now. I know whitebeard commanders were also very strong and their rankings were not clear like the other yonko commanders but do you think that vista would be able to fight mihawk like that if mihawk is going all out?
@worldbosspf1
8 ай бұрын
@@zorostoned Yes, maybe. Why didn't shanks one-shotted a pre devil fruit blackboard but got scarred by him? That proof Whitebeard commanders are top tier. It needed the entire marines and warlords to equal the Whitebeard pirate while Kizura and a few good men are said to be of a challenge to the Strawhats.
@zorostoned
8 ай бұрын
@@worldbosspf1 shanks got scarred by Blackbeard with no df because they fought when they were much younger than now and because Blackbeard is a monster who was fighting against roger pirates for 3 days with no rest when he was 14 years old. There is no way vista can dodge or tank kamusari that could put down Kidd and killer at once. Are you telling me that old Garp, old sengoku, 3 OG admirals, mihawk, other warlords and vice admirals were equal to the old sick whitebeard, commanders and the allies?
@worldbosspf1
8 ай бұрын
@@zorostoned Yes somewhat with the expection of the warlords that why they are the ace in the hole. Whitebeard was confident that he could fight them and save Ace however he did not consider the warlords (most Mihawk and Kuma, etc) and the pacifistas.
@__ZOR0
9 ай бұрын
Shanks being compared to mihawk proves that he is a swordsman. Why would the world government compare mihawk and shanks if they didn't think shanks was a swordsman 😂
@worldbosspf1
9 ай бұрын
He's a haki man 🤣
@kevinallen3400
9 ай бұрын
Why would Oda specify that Mihawk is greater than Shanks in sword skills?
@jdogjr5320
9 ай бұрын
Compare people who where rivals and have fought in the past yeah no clue why the would compare those people?
@randomguy9350
9 ай бұрын
@@kevinallen3400 The same reason Oda specified "In a 1 v1 Always bet on Kaido." The Kaido fanboys just forget to add the part "That's what people say!"
@jereldeycijntje535
9 ай бұрын
@randomguy9350 hahaha bro you tought you did something 😂😂
@alexsklavenitis302
9 ай бұрын
So i wonder if im the only one who took it this way, but when mihawk says "the distance between us and that man" i always believed it to mean the state of the war and the crew. As in "He's right there, but its not as simple as just fighting him" which is why when he attacked, jozu stopped the attack. You cant just walk up to whitebeard. The distance between them and whitebeard was more then literal distance. I think in a 1 v 1 mihawk could hold his own against white beard. I also believe mihawk beats shanks and that its clear that is oda's intention as well. Why would mihawk make the statement about shanks losing an arm if mihawk was weaker regardless? It would make zero sense. To me the whole idea of shanks > mihawk is just fanboying shanks to the extent people call mihawk a fraud. Oda very clearly portrayed mihawk to not be a fraud. Theres a reason that without a crew mihawks bounty is nearly as high as shanks eithout being a yonko. I dont know how people dont obviously see the portrayal that oda is going for.
@Stefan0v1
9 ай бұрын
Imagine Vista being intercepted by Kaido at Marineford.. After that imagine Kaido telling Vista "We need to postpone this duel, Vista..I think it would be better for the both of us".. Now go to Shanks..How hard is Vista stopping Shanks..XD I don't believe Mihawk to be that damn weak, he's near equal to Shanks, but that's still funny as hell..
@AccendinoMCM
9 ай бұрын
@@Stefan0v1 Mihawk didnt use any named attacks and was toying with him. I agree the portrayal is bad for Mihawk since its not explained outright though. Big Mom also got toyed with by fucking Franky and Jinbe so it doesnt mean anything.
@Stefan0v1
9 ай бұрын
@@AccendinoMCM Big Mom is literaly a clown, and she was toyed with when she was not in her right state of mind,plus she didn't get damaged/ Toying with Vista? Shanks literally one shot a guy that was post training in Wano and post fighting BM and Kaido and tanking their hits.. Shanks negg'ed him. They are extremely close, but i just lean towads Shanks. The portrayal Shanks got is the best in the series. And we have that funny gag where Shanks is 1cm taller than Mihawk. Zoro is 1 cm taller than Sanji. King is 1cm taller than Queen. This type of rivalry has always been portrayed well through the height.
@AccendinoMCM
9 ай бұрын
@@Stefan0v1 Big Mom got clowned in Wano by Franky and Robin and she was healthy. Shanks used a named attack, and not even a random one, one taken from Roger. Mihawk didnt do anything other than be bored.
@skfrederick5
9 ай бұрын
What you said makes total sense but I’d disagree when you mentioned how far in distance it was to get to WB. Remember shanks was able to teleport off the shore of elbaf to kidd’s ship, unless it’s mentioned that was a technique only shanks can use, otherwise I’ll say that was just his speed being showcased. If shanks can move that quickly then mihawk can do the same
@tomlewis3362
8 ай бұрын
Oda called Shanks a swordsmen specifically in an SBS 😂
@Andre-im7eq
Ай бұрын
He didn’t 😂….
@ZenFluxs
9 ай бұрын
shanks is a swordsman if shanks is stronger than mihawk then it completely ruins zoros whole narrative and dream also oda said mihawk is stronger in name AND power
@RogBearD
8 ай бұрын
Oda never said anything lmao, all made up by the barking zolotards
@Shay_Money
7 ай бұрын
thankvyou someone with a brain
@ifritThe8th
7 ай бұрын
Zoro not reaching yonko level anyways shanks is on a other level
@Shay_Money
7 ай бұрын
@@ifritThe8th what?
@Shay_Money
7 ай бұрын
@@ifritThe8th you trippin
@CameronkAK
9 ай бұрын
If Oda means for Shanks to be stronger than Mihawk then why does he never retcon Mihawk's title and literally to this day has him as the World's Strongest Swordsman? Oda literally had a marine call Mihawk more skilled than Shanks and then in the next line say Mihawk is the strongest swordsman alive. To say Oda will write Shanks as the stronger character overall means you genuinely believe that Oda will make Shanks stronger at the expense of Zoro's dream. Shanks is a confirmed swordsman, Zoro wants to be the strongest swordsman in history and definitely alive, if Shanks is stronger than Mihawk but Zoro needs to beat Mihawk to prove he is the strongest then this makes no sense. This is just simple logic.
@billydiaz7984
9 ай бұрын
Gotta copy n paste this people be stupid n trippin
@ΓιώργοςΔημητρόπουλος-χ2κ
8 ай бұрын
Oh look someone with a brain!! Well said brother
@uwin23
8 ай бұрын
Clearly, you didn't watch the vid
@righteouslove
8 ай бұрын
Why can't Shanks just be a more powerful character than Mihawk without being a stronger "swordsman"? Like shanks incapacitating Greenbull had nothing to do with swordsmanship.
@ΓιώργοςΔημητρόπουλος-χ2κ
8 ай бұрын
@@righteouslove oh yes because haki has nothing to do with swordsmanship
@XKIRA376
9 ай бұрын
This is a weird take on the mihawk vs shanks dilemma and Mihawk is getting severely downplayed. He clearly wasn’t going all out against vista, he was literally thinking about luffy and staring at him as they fought, he notes that he don’t go all out against those weaker than him. Mihawk seen the decline the whitebeards strength due to illness which is why he wanted to measure the distance. This is blatantly saying that eos zoro end goal is weaker a sick whiteboard. Whiteboard isn’t as egotistical as u think, he was quite literally on the sideline for most of the marineford fight getting protected. Mihawk never directed that slash against jozu, a swordsman can cut what they intend to cut, he never directed that cut against jozu. The same thing goes for mister 1. He deflected a swing against mihawk that wasn’t intended for him but was one shotted after mihawk landed a shot he intended to for Daz. In these instances he’s able to cut what he wanted to be cut and not cut what he didnt intend to cut. Shanks was stated a swordsman in databooks. He uses his sword in ever major battle he fights in. A swordsman is someone that relies heavily on and uses a sword to fight. King isn’t a swords man as he does not use his sword for ever major attack he imposes. Same thing goes for kaku, all of his major fighting is down with a sword. King uses a sword but his sword does not bring out the best in him, we see king without zoro without his sword and give him trouble. Shanks and even kaku in the other hand relies deeply on there sword abilities. Shanks only use his haki for fodder, green bull wasn’t even a fight. And just think about it, it makes zero sense to for zoros end goal to be weaker than a well established swordman. Mihawk quite literally sees shanks as inferior, he states this indirectly when they meet on the island. They don’t ever clash after he uses his arm out of immense respect they have for each other. Subjugating zoro’s endgoal to vista level is wild. In every mihawk encounter u name, it’s clear Mihawk wasn’t going all out, his slashes were blocked by those he did not intend to cut, it’s noted that a strong swordsman will only cut what they intend to cut. You brung up how mihawk said a swordsman don’t have to cross blades with an enemy to know if they are weaker but ur example was mihawk launching an attack at whiteboard which is contradictory. We don’t see anything new with mihawk cause he notes that he wants to live in peace, he don’t want to bring himself attention. And to mention again, a swordman heavily relies on there sword, king isn’t a sword cause he don’t rely on his sword. Ofc Mihawk isn’t stated stronger than shanks as that’s how oda writes. IF MIHAWK WANTS TO FIGHT A STRONG SWORDSMAN, WHY WOULD HE BE SCARED TO FIGHT SHANKS. Just cause shanks is good at haki, it means nothing as haki builds upon swordsman ship. Haki simply makes u strong at whatever style of fighting u have, CAUSE EVERYBODY CAN USE HAKI, by that definition everyone is a haki man then. If mihawk was the best haki user ever, would that him a haki man instead of a swordsman??? NO.
@y0ungApeks
8 ай бұрын
Mihawk literally says he won’t hold back /going all out vs luffy tho right after vista steps in you gonna tell me he went all out got blocked by vista and gave up ?
@XKIRA376
8 ай бұрын
@@y0ungApeks he obviously wasn't trying to kill Luffy. And I'm pretty sure he was talking about yoru knows no restraints as in he can't hold back the power of yoru, as shown when he used a small knife to fight Zoro, only using yoru when he wants to inflict damage, unless u think king is weaker than vista, this entire argument falls apart
@laraison6020
8 ай бұрын
The mental attack that Shanks landed on Ryokugyu or his ability to counter observation haki are typical haki swordsman technique ?
@olegariocarrillo1416
7 ай бұрын
@@XKIRA376so then this contradicts the not wanting to cut Jozu argument.
@XKIRA376
7 ай бұрын
@@olegariocarrillo1416 it don’t. The attack wasn’t attended to jozu so it didn’t cut him. I even gave an example of someone blocking an unattended slash from Mihawk just for him to oneshot them
@LaccyPM
9 ай бұрын
Why would they hype up Mihawk's sword skills by comparing them to Shanks' if Shanks isnt a swordsman? This would be like saying Lebron has better basketball skills than world class swimmer Michael Phelps. The statement immediately doesn't make sense anymore. "X swordsman has better sword skill than this random non swordsman". See how that doesn't make sense, Shanks is 100% a swordsman.
@christiannzali472
2 ай бұрын
This is one of the best I've ever heard.
@hellofriend8432
8 ай бұрын
It’s hilarious that one piece fans still take these titles so seriously. Kaido was the “worlds strongest creature” whitebeard was the “worlds strongest man” narratively it doesn’t make any sense for shanks who parallels Roger to be weaker than mihawk. Narrative in a story as crazy as one piece matters so much more than titles, and a title is all mihawk has.
@flaviomadeiramirandafilho3469
3 ай бұрын
Exactly, they cling to dear life to sentences that were proved wrong troughout the narrative.
@donnig5053
3 ай бұрын
Yeah people are braindead tho doesn’t matter what series or what happens in the world u can’t convince people who want to believe something to be true so bad that they sound stupid doing it
@King_ace22
2 ай бұрын
Facts
@omar1x1
Ай бұрын
So Zoro's dream is a fake title ? Yeah makes sense
@worldbosspf1
9 ай бұрын
First, Mihawk wasn't serious at Marineford. Don't you think he couldn't have killed Luffy instantly? Second, Who did they call the take on Shanks when he arrived at Marineford? Mihawk, the same agreements can be used against you.
@arturw5556
9 ай бұрын
No he could not kill Luffy since he tried SMH
@ultracrepiderian
9 ай бұрын
Who's arguing mihawk loses to pre time skip luffy? Where is it stated they asked mihawk to fight shanks?
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
The question isnt wether or not Mihawk could take out Luffy but rather could he have taken out Vists and or other commanders that showed up quick enough to catch up to Luffy? And regardless of the answer it's something you have to actually think about before answering, but the answer would be obvious with Shanks.
@worldbosspf1
9 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP Why do you think anyone can easily take out Whitebeard commanders or they are as weak as Kaido/Big Mom commanders? Do you forget that Marco was stalling Kizaru who literally draw in a match against post wano Gear 5 Luffy? Or Ace was able to counter Aokiji? Ace was even stated to be somewhat of a match for prime Whitebeard, comparable to Yamato (Who is arguably stronger than King). I can go on and on but the point is that Whitebeard's crew should be relative to Roger's which at the prime had commanders that were relative to Yonkos and Admirals. So Vista being one of the oldest and prominent member of the crew should be one of the strongest, matching Admirals if not Yonkos, who Mihawk was casually sparring with. Your own argument can be used against you. Why didn't Shanks take out Blackbeard and was scarred by him? See that's an anti-feat against Shanks being remotely the strongest in One Piece.
@ultracrepiderian
9 ай бұрын
@@worldbosspf1 😂bro these many bad takes one after another is a miracle. Stop before u embarass urself further
@Diego-fe6vi
9 ай бұрын
Why would the WSS choose a non-swordmen as his rival? Why would Shanks be the only one to get stronger after 12 years but not Mihawk? Shanks is a swordmen and he's weaker than Mihawk, Oda himself stated this for over 1100 chapters but yall choose headcanon over the author's own multiple statements.
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
I answered these questions in the video
@Noooo-ed3ns
9 ай бұрын
Agenda>>>>>>
@Diego-fe6vi
9 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP you did but your points were biased and you didn't mention the context behind them. Firstly you said there's a gap between WB and Mihawk yet you placed WB=Shanks because Shanks clashed and split the sky with him, don't you think someone confirmed stronger than shanks can't do the same?, and the points you used to downplay Mihawk was him saying he's "trying to measure the distance between that man and us... But it seems rather small" forgetting that this was the first time they met and it was old sick WB and Mihawk could sense that something was off but WB was still a great pirate because of the people under him which is why you forgot to mention that the slash Mihawk sent was called the WS slash even tho it was a nameless attack, intended for a human but deflected by the most durable character in the verse, a diamond-human, remember a swordman chooses what he wants to cut. Vista stalling Mihawk is not an antifeat since vista is one of the world strongest swordsmen, even acknowledged by the WSS, the anime extended it and gave Mihawk a line saying vista should show him his swordmanship but whilst clashing with him, Mihawk was distracted by glazing Luffy and seeing his potential to be even greater than WB and anyone on the seas. The only reason he postponed the fight was because Sengoku was issuing an strategic order to the marine side to vacate the ice field so they can erect the iron shields to begin the bombardments, you didn't even mention that context. Shanks being a yonko after 6 years doesn't mean he surpassed Mihawk since Mihawk himself told Zoro that he alone sits at the Top, this was 4 years after Shanks was a yonko by the way, and Oda still reminds us who's the strongest. There's no such thing as a hakiman and Shanks is a Swordsman with enough sword skills to compare the WSS to. If you use a sword in a fight, whether you call yourself a Swordsman or not, you're by default weaker than the WSS. Shanks is still strong, top 5 but where ever you place his, he and anyone who uses a sword, should be under Mihawk the World Strongest Swordsman.
@Noir_Enfer_13
9 ай бұрын
@@Noooo-ed3ns your right agenda is crazy dude.can't people see oda been saving mihawk for past 20 years for something big
@Noooo-ed3ns
8 ай бұрын
@@Noir_Enfer_13 one piece fans when it turns out the guy who is called the strongest swordsman every time he is shown turns out to actually be the strongest swordsman:🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
@TeddHy007
9 ай бұрын
Gotta say I agree that Shanks is stronger, however when you say that Mihawk didn't get the same respect as Whitebeard, when literally everyone at Marineford stopped to look at Mihawk when he launched the first attack I feel is kinda unfair, and the argument that Jozu ''blocked'' the hit, when he just redirect the hit upward whilst struggling to do so(even with the diamond fruit). And when Vista clashed with him, Mihawk wasn't even paying attention to Vista's attacks he was in his own thoughts just going on autopilot. So as I said Shanks is stronger however, I think Mihawk is one of the few who could still give Shanks a run for his money.
@gggg-lg9qb
9 ай бұрын
that anime only though
@yakiynisrael2409
8 ай бұрын
@@gggg-lg9qb Jozu using his diamond fruit to deflect a nameless slash from Mihawk is not anime only the same goes for Mihawk not paying attention to Vista while they clashed.
@uwin23
8 ай бұрын
@@yakiynisrael2409same nameless slash called "the strongest slash in the world". That plus the fact that he used it to test the strongest man in the world so rlly it doesn't matter whether it was nameless or not.
@y0ungApeks
8 ай бұрын
@@uwin23I never get this nameless attack bs wb never used a named attack yet no 1 ever says he didn’t go all out at MF
@laraison6020
8 ай бұрын
@@yakiynisrael2409he didn't deflected it he stopped it completly in the manga, without much trouble...
@abdulrisark4782
9 ай бұрын
It’s literally stated by Oda Mihawk has surpassed Shank’s Sword skills as the STRONGEST Swordsman in the World. Film red poster hypes up Shanks by saying he is a sword master who was once able to fight equally with the Strongest Swordsman, Mihawk. In the context of One Piece “skills” has been used many times to describe a person’s overall strength. King said the beast pirates are ranked based on their skills. Zoro said it was based on his own lack of skills that got him injured against Kamazou. Zoro also stated he gained more strength after achieving the breath of all things which is a sword skill. In WCI Katakuri told Luffy he has greater skills to show their differences in strength. Kaido mentioned the scabbards lack the skills that Oden had!
@abdulrisark4782
9 ай бұрын
“A talented Hawk hides it’s claws” chapter 1101
@fili0938
9 ай бұрын
You're right. Shanks used to be able to fight equally with the Strongest Swordsman because Shanks used to have his dominant left arm. Shanks can no longer fight as a proper swordsman the same way he could before. And yet we still know he's far stronger today. Shanks's growth as a swordsman has ended but his growth as a pirate is still going strong.
@abdulrisark4782
9 ай бұрын
@@fili0938 “we still know he’s far stronger” is your own head Canon even if he did get stronger Mihawk still views him as inferior and Oda mentioned in SBS no one knows Shanks the way Mihawk does. Whitebeard literally called their duel legendary on the same level as him and Roger so they were already Yonko level.
@fili0938
9 ай бұрын
@@abdulrisark4782 Whitebeard did not say their duel was on the level of Roger and himself. Mihawk considers Shanks a has-been because Shanks no longer has amazing swordplay. Shanks lost his dominant arm and his swordsmanship with it.
@abdulrisark4782
9 ай бұрын
@@fili0938 Whitebeard mentioned how besides Garp Sengoku and Roger there aren’t many people that remember how crazy the seas use to be but still gassing up their fight like the most legendary shit he saw saying if the new gen saw it they would be talking about it till the end of time in the anime. In a recent SBS Oda mentioned how they use to fight and get along the way Whitebeard and Roger did it and called them the strongest rivals in both name and actuality www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Freminder-mihawk-is-stronger-than-shanks-and-nothing-has-v0-e4ky5y134cpa1.png%3Fwidth%3D720%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2bb0a58c7a222f6f69cb0f8303ff536b2e051b81&tbnid=BtGQ5k3aJM7-IM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FOnePiecePowerScaling%2Fcomments%2F11yshvc%2Freminder_mihawk_is_stronger_than_shanks_and%2F&docid=VW7dmaCOnBm1YM&w=720&h=690&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3
@danieljoseph3013
9 ай бұрын
Very disingenuous argument. For starters, how does shanks progress in strength after their duels but mihawk does not. Who has shanks fought during his time as becoming an emperor. Definitely not the yonko or admirals. He just gained territory. Second, shank’s presence is felt more in Marineford since one, he’s with his whole crew which and equlaint to wb’s crew and fleet, and shanks is willing to seriously fight anyone who gets in his way. Mihawk is casually fighting and toying around(it’s obvious in the panels) like the other admirals are(besides Akainu). At this point in time, vista won’t do anything to a current zoro, all Marco asked for vista to distract a non blood hungry Mihawk. Many top tiers had tier moments wasting time with fodder. Kaido with scabbards, shanks with sea king, big mom with Frankie, Luffy and lucci. Also, if mihawk can instantly detect how strong is opponent is, why would he say he needs to measure the distance of our strength. This implies he has no idea how much stronger wb is. That means he’s expecting primebeard, just like everyone was saying before he showed up. After he sensed wb, he lost his interest in fighting him. The same can be said with shanks, he knows how strong shanks is, when meeting him, so he has no interest in fighting him. Next, shanks has been called a master swordsman on his on film red data book and the vivre cards. Mihawk is looking for a stronger swordsman than shanks, which implies shanks is a weaker swordsman, weaker in general.
@kxngjr3582
8 ай бұрын
Great take
@BramoStork
8 ай бұрын
5:51 bro at that moment saving his son has the biggest priority, why would he care about proving his strength to mihawk. Shanks literally was invited to his ship and got on whitebeards nerves ofc he will assert dominance in that situation.
@Hawkeye1111
8 ай бұрын
READ THIS: The panel in chapter 1059 tells you shanks is a swordsman. Oda compares mihawk DIRECTLY to shanks in sword skill to SHOW how great mihawk is. Think about this, if I were to say “Lebron is the best basketball player in the world, his basketball skills surpass that of even Lionel Messi!” You’d look at me like I’m an idiot right? How would comparing Lebrons basketball skills to someone who isn’t a basketball player make him look good? Why would oda compare mihawk to shanks to show how great his sword skill is… if shanks isn’t a swordsman? Y’all shanks fans NEED to stop coping it’s almost 2024 it’s time to grow up
@natureboyOP
8 ай бұрын
If Shanks is a swordsman, Mihawk being the WSS already puts him above Shanks. It would literally be as simple as "His strength surpasses that of Red Haired Shanks" and not "sword skill" to avoid the obvious. Its like saying Steph Curry's shooting skills surpasses that of LeBron James... instead of just saying hes the better baller because its false. Its disingenious to me how people just literally ignore Oda completely avoiding saying Mihawk is stronger than Shanks and taking all these extra steps just to say hes more skilled. Like cmom now
@Hawkeye1111
8 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP your analogy is actually terrible. Your saying Steph is better than bron in one aspect of the game so it would make no sense for him to be >Lebron since bron is better overall. Mihawk HAS THE TITLE for the strongest, has been called the most powerful, the most skilled, and the greatest. Oda has quite literally spelled it out to you in every single aspect of swordsmanship (which again is shanks strongest form of fighting, being a swordsman) mihawk is better. Do you ever notice how you shanks fans literally make 100 different excuses, make up mythical haki man shit, say that zoros dream is a plot hole that doesn’t matter, say that swordsman aren’t true swordsman. Like YOU are the fanbase making 25 different excuses and plot holes to believe one character is stronger. When ALL THOSE EXCUSES AND PLOT HOLES SIMPLY GO AWAY, if mihawk is stronger. It’s actually like you guys have purposely refused to believe otherwise even if it’s spelled out in front of you like a child
@Hawkeye1111
8 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP btw shanks has used a sword in every single fight or encounter he ever had. He used his sword to split the sky with white beard, he used his sword in the fight against white beard pirates as a kid, he stopped Akainu in marine first with a sword, he fought kizaru with a sword, he fought kidd with a sword. If you think shanks isn’t a swordsman, you actually believe he pulled up TO STOP A FUCKING WAR, and he decided to use his “weaker secondary” form of fighting with his sword? He saw kidd minutes into the future literally destroying his land boats and hurting his crew, and he’s so much better and stronger than everyone in the verse, THAT WHEN HIS CREWS LIFE IS AT RISK, he uses his secondary sword fighting? 💀 I don’t know how else to spell it out to you bro
@Hawkeye1111
8 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP and to top it off, since I just proved shanks is a swordsman. He’s also been called a swordsman/ swords-master multiple times in his sbs and the movie red sbs. Mihawks sbs says “he is the strongest swordsman in the world, in both name AND ACTUALITY”. You guys are gonna cope so hard when oda reveals the strongest swordsman in the world is actually the strongest swordsman in the world 😮
@Hawkeye1111
8 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP so let me get this straight, you believe oda said mihawk is more skilled in that panel and didn’t say “stronger” because shanks is actually stronger? So shanks, a swordsman which you agree with, is stronger than the worlds strongest swordsman? So the title that is directly correlated to zoros dream means nothing and is actually held by a fraud? So you not only believe there’s a plot hole oda willingly is writing in for zoros dream to not come true, but even one for mihawks character and his personality? If odas willingly writing plot holes with dreams will ussop ever become a brave warrior? Will Brooke ever meet laboon? Will sanji ever see the all blue? Why are you so open and willing to believe oda would write in a massive stupid ass plot hole like that for zoros dream, but not anyone else? Dreams are a fucking GIANT part of one piece. One of the biggest themes, yet oda, an incredible writer, willingly wrote in a massive plot hole with one of main characters dreams? Which he could easily avoid by simply making mihawk stronger? Absolutely fucking dense.
@TuanTran-qq6zs
9 ай бұрын
Y’all sleeping on buggy the clown. Every captain is the strongest, therefore mihawk captain is stronger. Buggy> mihawk
@mrackz5694
9 ай бұрын
Troll
@ajb2074
8 ай бұрын
I have to say I disagree with the premise of the video. If Mihawk is really that much weaker than Shanks then why would Oda bother giving him the WSS title, why would he hype him up by comparing him to shanks, why would he give him yonkou level bounty, what is the point of all the insane build up since his introduction, it just doesn't make sense. If Mihawk were to be that much weaker than Shanks then I think it would just be bad writing and one thing we know Oda is not, is a bad writer.
@brandona25
7 ай бұрын
Oda: Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in name and in reality. Shanks fans: Shanks is a haki-man that uses a sword and is stronger than Mihawk even though swordsmanship and haki are intimately tied and Mihawk’s main purpose in training Zoro was teaching him haki.
@fiendyt3677
17 күн бұрын
No way this guy thinks Mihawk is weaker than old and sick Whitebeard at marineford, Man have some decency agenda has ruined you
@natureboyOP
17 күн бұрын
No agenda, strictly facts
@fiendyt3677
16 күн бұрын
@@natureboyOP So, You believe that Mihawk is Oldbeard level?
@skfrederick5
9 ай бұрын
If you noticed clearly, all non df haki user use swords as their primary form of attack with the exception of garp and don chin choa and these two do not own swords so if shanks primary way of attacking is with a sword, doesn’t that qualify him as a swordsman as well??
@laraison6020
8 ай бұрын
Then how did Mihawk became the strongest swordsman if he never defeated Shanks. I mean Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion when he fought Mihawk, he was far from being as powerfull as he is now. So how come Mihawk is the strongest swordsman if he never defeated yonkou Shanks ? Isn't his title supposed to be obtained by beating all the strong swordsmen ? Then if he never fought against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks or Garling, how can he be considered the strongest swordman ? How do we know that he's stronger than them if he never defeated them ?
@leonkastilyo7463
8 ай бұрын
@@laraison6020notice you got no response, they never mentioned that when they use his title as fact lol mihawk be dodging fights against strong people after gaining that title so he won’t lose it so he can lazy around, just like he likes his warlord status so the marines won’t pursue him and now he put’s buggy name on top of him so he won’t be bother. Dude got scared of fighting strong people when he draws with weak 1B shanks, and now just want to fight way weaker opponents (how is dude more willing to fight flies like don krieg in the east blue, know as the weakest sea, than fight yonko shanks if he wants to fight real strong people). Dude whole reason in marineford was to fight WB, stated by himself when he retreat when shanks arrived (mihawk was also the very 1st to retreat lol), yet didn’t even get to clash with him once after his first failed attack
@CameronkAK
9 ай бұрын
Shanks is a confirmed swordsman. Oda named a fans piece of art "the swordsman of one piece". In the image there is Shanks, Raleigh, Roger, Mihawk, Zoro, Law, and multiple other swordsman. This is definitive proof that Shanks is a swordsman.
@moistmellow1198
9 ай бұрын
Who cares? Obviously he didn't want to confirm Shanks>Mihawk all the way back then so he is going to label them all swordsman. He likes to keep his readers guessing. If he didn't call them swordsman then we would've all known Shanks is stronger back then. Don't worry, we'll all see the facts soon enough in the manga.
@malekith33
9 ай бұрын
Lmao who cares?? Ru fuckin serious??? Is that the best u can do?? Lmao he is literally called a master swordsman. Go research infant.@@moistmellow1198
@Andre-im7eq
Ай бұрын
No…”the swordsmen of one piece” is a rough translation of “people who use a sword” 😂…unless explicitly stated that shanks is a swordsman then no
@CameronkAK
Ай бұрын
@@Andre-im7eq this has to be the highest level of cope. Shanks is literally used in manga as a metric for comparing swordsmanship. Oda isn’t going to compare Mihawk’s swordsmanship to a non-swordsman and pretend like that is impressive. You’re grasping at straws.
@Andre-im7eq
Ай бұрын
@@CameronkAK actually nah, forget that I’ll debunk all you Mihawk fanboys right now …”swordsmanship” is defined by oda as sword skill and nothing else …we can see example of this if we look at the old guard of whitebeard, roger and oden …oden was a swordsmans a samurai to be exact…probably the best swordsman of his era even greater sword skill than roger and whitebeard …if we look at when oden cut the boar in half he managed to cut it in half yet the boar was still alive …he sliced the boar so precisely on an atomic level that he purposely avoided its Cells thus the boar did not die …so this is evidence that swordsmanship and sword skill is clearly defined in one piece…oden was most likely better than roger and whitebeard when it came down to pure swordsmanship but in terms of haki and power roger and whitebeard are superior making them stronger overall …we can apply this same logic to shanks and Mihawk ..Mihawk most likely had the better swordsmanship and can cut things on an atomic level and his precision and affinity to use a sword is better than shanks …but because shanks most likely has superior haki it makes him equal or most likely superior to Mihawk in overall strength….case closed ..oh and one more thing …if Mihawk was really stronger than shanks why would oda specify during the bounty reveals post wano that “Mihawk bests red haired shanks in SWORDSKILL” ….WHY WOULD ODA TAKE HIS TIME TO SPECIFY “SWORDSKILL” INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING THAT HE WAS STRONGER THAN SHANKS OUTRIGHT ? ….its because Mihawk in fact IS NOT stronger thanks shanks ..idk how its so hard to understand
@flaviomadeiramirandafilho3469
3 ай бұрын
In my opinion, when Shanks lost his arm Mihawk got reallt mad at him and swore to never fight him again, after that Shanks just gave the title to him by claiming that Mihawk was a better swordsman. Shanks has better feats and better narrative reason to be stronger. The vivre card BS people use to justify Mihawk over Shanks is bogus because in the same paragraph it says that EVERY SWORDSMAN FEARS HAWK-EYE, when that couldn't be further from the truth. Unless you want to say Shanks and Vista aren't swordsmen.
@christiannzali472
2 ай бұрын
This is the dumbest argument I've heard.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@kevinallen3400
9 ай бұрын
Here is the thing. Can you imagine Zoro giving up his arm so casually as Shanks did for Luffy? That would be equated to him giving up on his dream. Now i am not saying that Shanks wanted to be the strongest swordsman like Zoro do, but if swordmanship meant as much to him as it did to the likes of Mihawk or Zoro, i think he would've been far more disappointed with losing his stronger arm. I mean the man merely said, " it's just an arm". I can't imagine Mihawk or Zoro doing the same thing and even if they did, i can't see them taking it the same way Shanks did. Furthermore, i don't see either reaching the heights Shanks has without their dominant arm.
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
I agree
@traehignight
9 ай бұрын
Zoro would very much give up his dream for Luffy if he had to, he is incredibly loyal, he was willing to risk losing his life in Thriller Bark
@jonasarnesen6825
2 ай бұрын
First: Oda refers to Shanks as a Swordsman (Usopp Gallery Pirates for SBS V.101)... And Yes, I believe Oda is the Author of One Piece... Second: Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman, who "sits at the top as the strongest of all (swordsmen)"... According to Vivre Card Databook Vol. 2... Which is Canon, because Oda, he's still the Omnipotent Author God of One Piece... Third: "sits at the top as the strongest of all (swordsmen)"... Since here is "swordsmen" in brackets, we should keep in our mind that there is the possibility that Mihawk is straight up the strongest, which seems ever more likely considering Shanks, Garling and Ethan (and the Silhouette in the last page in the most recent chapter) are all Swordsmen... Fourth: No one denies Oda's Omnipotence...
@goldvictoroff
18 күн бұрын
Very good video 👍
@natureboyOP
17 күн бұрын
Thank you 🙏🏾
@comedytubbe
8 ай бұрын
Shanks is a hakiman😂😂😂. Y'all crack me up. Skill is definitely what Mihawk thought Zoro during the time skip. Mihawk high diffs Shanks.
@BramoStork
8 ай бұрын
Mihawk > Shanks in a 1 vs 1 but Shanks is the greater Pirate with bigger ambitions. Mihawk alreadyis the WSS his only current ambition is a peaceful life. We dont even know if becoming the WSS was Mihawks goal or if his destiny just led him there.
@freakydeaky1435
8 ай бұрын
I think it's clear Mihawk does care about being WSS though... otherwise he wouldn't be impressed when Zoro showed resolve during the east blue fight or when Zoro said that a wound on the back is a swordsman's greatest shame. I gotta be honest, Mihawk does seem a bit weird in just sitting on that Island doing nothing all the time but I think it's kinda necessary for the story... he's just getting the same treatment as Dragon... the lategame characters are gna sit on the bench until the story is ready for them.
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
@@freakydeaky1435 The how did Mihawk became the strongest swordsman if he never defeated Shanks. I mean Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion when he fought Mihawk, he was far from bein as powerfull as he is now. So how come Mihawk is the strongest swordsman if he never defeated yonkou Shanks ? Isn't his title supposed to be obtained by beating all the strong swordsmen? Then if he never fought against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks or Garling, how can he be considered the strongest swordman ? How do we know that he's stronger than them if he never defeated them?
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
The how did Mihawk became the strongest swordsman if he never defeated Shanks. I mean Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion when he fought Mihawk, he was far from bein as powerfull as he is now. So how come Mihawk is the strongest swordsman if he never defeated yonkou Shanks ? Isn't his title supposed to be obtained by beating all the strong swordsmen? Then if he never fought against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks or Garling, how can he be considered the strongest swordman ? How do we know that he's stronger than them if he never defeated them?
@garou417
Ай бұрын
I can’t wait until Oda has Mihawk use a serious attack post time skip and debunks this whole video.😂
@green-legacy
27 күн бұрын
shanks haki is a observation killer so either he doesn’t use it against mihawk for a a fair sword fight or he does and that exactly why mihawk has such strong observation haki *hawkeye*
@jereldeycijntje535
9 ай бұрын
Who let him cook?
@YoastnToastn
9 ай бұрын
True, Oda has been lying to us for 1100 chapters about Mihawk being wss, it’s actually shanks. But also shanks isn’t really a swordsman, he’s a haki man who uses haki lightning beams to fight (just ignore that he’s a confirmed swordsman).
@kollen5952
9 ай бұрын
Dude is literally using his sword as a wand to use conquerors lol ITS the closest one piece has to magick, oda literally stablished as a haki man, the strongest conqueror user. He is also a swrodman, but his sword techinques were diminshed 50% when he lost his arm. And we have mihawk... I cant imagine old beard asking vista to stalemate kaido while they both agrees to pos bone a fight.
@worldbosspf1
9 ай бұрын
Haki man gets beaten by a swordsman? Make it make sense, swords battle is a battle of haki. Even Mihawk has a black blade while Shanks don't.
@YoastnToastn
9 ай бұрын
@@kollen5952 No you’re right, he can use his haki wand to electrocute Mihawk to dust. And since vista stalled Mihawk, Mihawk must be = Vista so Zoro > Vista = Mihawk. Why didn’t I think of this earlier?
@kollen5952
9 ай бұрын
@@YoastnToastn Titles are just hype, shouldn't be taken that seriously unless backed up with feats and portrayal Mihawk's title ? Oda portraied mihawk to be stalemated by vista while shanks stops kaido, akainu, humiliates green bull and kid Kaido's title? Should be taken seriously because his feats and portrayal match his title. Whitebeard? His feats and portrayal match his title The usual argument would be that Shanks' proficiency in haki usage ( dude is casting spells with his conquerors, his blade as a wand literally ) puts him way above mihawk, even if his skill in using swords is inferior .This happened after he lost his sword's arm, hence why Mihawk didn't want to duel him anymore as he isn't as skilled of a swordsman.
@kollen5952
9 ай бұрын
@@worldbosspf1 Titles are just hype, shouldn't be taken that seriously unless backed up with feats and portrayal Mihawk's title ? Oda portraied mihawk to be stalemated by vista while shanks stops kaido, akainu, humiliates green bull and kid Kaido's title? Should be taken seriously because his feats and portrayal match his title. Whitebeard? His feats and portrayal match his title The usual argument would be that Shanks' proficiency in haki usage ( dude is casting spells with his conquerors, his blade as a wand literally ) puts him way above mihawk, even if his skill in using swords is inferior .This happened after he lost his sword's arm, hence why Mihawk didn't want to duel him anymore as he isn't as skilled of a swordsman.
@sadaqsiad5399
8 ай бұрын
Bro meat riding like crazy
@tyrellsmith5721
Ай бұрын
Mihawk said why would he use a cannon when hunting a rabbit!!! Nobody can stand his power.
@laquadrianlewis6939
9 ай бұрын
You know in Pirates Warriors 4 Shanks have move where he imbues his Haki in his gun and shoots it as an attack or special attack. And here is an thought since we know for an fact that Zoro has Conquers Haki too now and Zoro is aiming for the title of number #1 Should Mihawk automatically has it as well by default. But maybe Mihawk don’t use his because he just wants too strengthen his sword 🗡️ skills and only rely own Armament & Observation Haki. Because no one is worthy of him using his Conquers Haki but Shanks & eventually Zoro when Zoro gets too the point Mihawk has too go all out against him. Too decide the Worlds Greatest Swordsman.
@Andre-im7eq
Ай бұрын
This make the most sense and you’d still get weird Mihawk glazers disagreeing 😂…
@natureboyOP
Ай бұрын
Always lol
@onliwonkenoli9868
9 ай бұрын
An editor already leaked that Oda told him Mihawk is stronger and he legit doesn't view Shanks as his rival due to him giving up his sword arm.
@jereldeycijntje535
9 ай бұрын
Bro people tend to forget that 1 major villains usually go up in strength 2 shanks is a swordsman mihawk is the strongest
@laraison6020
8 ай бұрын
Source ? Also back then Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion. Mihawk and Shanks both evolved. There is no way of knowing who is the strongest now.
@jereldeycijntje535
8 ай бұрын
@@laraison6020 oda stated in an sbs that shanks is a swordsman. He also stated that mihawk is the strongest in name and reality. So even if what the guy says isn't true oda confirmed mihawk>shanks
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
@@jereldeycijntje535 The how did Mihawk became the strongest swordsman if he never defeated Shanks. I mean Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion when he fought Mihawk, he was far from bein as powerfull as he is now. So how come Mihawk is the strongest swordsman if he never defeated yonkou Shanks ? Isn't his title supposed to be obtained by beating all the strong swordsmen? Then if he never fought against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks or Garling, how can he be considered the strongest swordman ? How do we know that he's stronger than them if he never defeated them?
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
The how did Mihawk became the strongest swordsman if he never defeated Shanks. I mean Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion when he fought Mihawk, he was far from bein as powerfull as he is now. So how come Mihawk is the strongest swordsman if he never defeated yonkou Shanks ? Isn't his title supposed to be obtained by beating all the strong swordsmen? Then if he never fought against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks or Garling, how can he be considered the strongest swordman ? How do we know that he's stronger than them if he never defeated them?
@yakiynisrael2409
8 ай бұрын
Whitebeard was stated that he was this almighty powerful man that can destroy the world. When Mihawk sees him he doesn't see what is being stated so he throws a nameless slash that was only able to be deflected by a commander using his diamond fruit. Whitebeard also was on his own ship when Shanks challenged him there's no way you can back down when you're being disrespected on your own ship in front of your own crew. You're being very disingenuous in many of your points in this video. We can say the same with Shanks when Mihawk went to Shanks in front of his crew and called him a has been and didn't do anything compared to Whitebeard.
@yakiynisrael2409
8 ай бұрын
Also to say that Shanks used minimal effort to take Kid down is also not true since he used Future Sight and advanced conquerors haki. You need to take Mihawks character into consideration he's primarily a pacifist and just wants to chill.
@yakiynisrael2409
8 ай бұрын
Also we now know how he fights and it's with his sword I'm pretty sure we all saw him do a sword attack for his first named attack in the series. An attack that Roger did against another swordsman called Oden which he called out and said "hey samurai"
@mrbubbles6468
6 ай бұрын
I don’t think Mihawk was talking about power, Based on his interest in Luffy throughout the war it seems like he was saying ‘Whitebeard isn’t much stronger than us so what is the difference’ and the difference was the crew. And this gets publicly stated by him talking about Luffy and his most dangerous power
@RaikiriKyubii
8 ай бұрын
Hey Nature Boy - just saw you on my recommended and the first two vids I watched sold me on subscribing. If I may suggest something, out of your videos the weakest link at the moment is audio quality in my opinion - your analysis and presentation far exceeds it. If you can look up some tutorials on how to improve your mic’s sound with processing tricks or improving your recording setup I think it would go a long way making a better first impression on new viewers. Excited to see what you have in store for the videos to come!
@natureboyOP
8 ай бұрын
Hey I'm glad you enjoyed and thanks for subscribing. Also thanks for the input, I appreciate it. I'm thinking about either getting a better mic really soon or getting a better quality filter since I think most the issue might be stemming from the filter. Is it just the pop sounds on letters like r or s or t or do you hear other issues with the mic aswell?
@bloodlustThor
4 ай бұрын
I will be back when ODA reveals Mihawks power
@natureboyOP
4 ай бұрын
That'll probably be a very long time from now
@mrbubbles6468
6 ай бұрын
I think WB might not have bothered to react for the simple reason that he could likely tell Mihawk was not actually trying to attack him.
@natureboyOP
6 ай бұрын
But he did literally attack him
@strykervirus1724
8 ай бұрын
Why can't people understand that a person's "skills" is literally their "strength"?
@natureboyOP
8 ай бұрын
Because its not.
@strykervirus1724
8 ай бұрын
@natureboyOP But then you correlate Mihawk's "sword skills" to his strength but deflect Shanks's to his conquerors haki. Plus saying it's not literally contradicts what the story actually says. Example... Zoro saying it's his lack of "skill" that Killer tagged him. King saying Kaido's crew is ranked based on skills. Even pre-timeskip, Moji stated Buggy was about to showcase his skills. And so much more.
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
@@strykervirus1724 The how did Mihawk became the strongest swordsman if he never defeated Shanks. I mean Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion when he fought Mihawk, he was far from bein as powerfull as he is now. So how come Mihawk is the strongest swordsman if he never defeated yonkou Shanks ? Isn't his title supposed to be obtained by beating all the strong swordsmen? Then if he never fought against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks or Garling, how can he be considered the strongest swordman ? How do we know that he's stronger than them if he never defeated them?
@strykervirus1724
7 ай бұрын
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy You assume we know who Mihawk fought to become a WSSM? Truth is... WE DO NOT KNOW. All we've been told is that he kept challenging strong swordsmen until there was none left. If I asked you... how did Shanks become a yonko? How will you answer? How did BM or Kaido become a yonko? The only people we definitely know how they became Yonko are Buggy, BB, and Luffy. Also, with the Shanks bounty thing, I have noticed this about the community. It's used when convenient. You said... Shanks had a 1 bil bounty. Ok.. Mihawk's first bounty we get to know is 3.5 bil. You tie Shanks strength to his bounty... let's do the same for Mihawk. How then is it that a 3.5 bil WSSM Mihawk couldn't beat an upstart 1 bil Shanks? 🤷 Makes no sense.
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
@@strykervirus1724 once again none of that explains how mihawk is stronger then shanks we know titles are not consistent as we seen buggy have the title of yonko even tho he’s not as strong as one
@FTL_SAN
Ай бұрын
The distance between that man and use can also be interpreted as. How easily can one confront whitebeard in order to challenge him. Like how difficult is it to reach the person said to be the strongest man. Like my trying to go through security to get to a celebrity.
@chibk
6 ай бұрын
Oda specifically said Mihawk is the WSS in *BOTH NAME AND REALITY* i rest my case
@natureboyOP
6 ай бұрын
Yes Mihawk is absolutely the WSS
@XangoFwet
4 ай бұрын
Lmao. This is biggest crack of bollocks and mental gymnastics ive seen on this debate. Go on bro put your stocks in Shanks, we jus gon wait until Mihawk shows you what beyond Yonko tier actually looks like lol
@deborahwhitney9427
4 ай бұрын
Keep coping there.
@garou417
Ай бұрын
@@deborahwhitney9427That’s what you Shanks glazers do 24/7.
@YayoHernandez-b1j
9 ай бұрын
also Nature Boy when you get more information and feats of dragon he'll be even much more stronger and powerful than shanks we all just know it so do you
@malikjackson7522
3 ай бұрын
Great video
@natureboyOP
3 ай бұрын
Thank you! More to come very soon
@imboredsowat
9 ай бұрын
Yo talk about how WB would showcase his dominance against Mihawk. He would Not take a challenge like that in the Middle of saving a nakama. He could go rounds with Mihawk but that was not the Mission
@Ramonnnn
5 ай бұрын
In an all out battle, Shanks beats Mihawk no doubt. In a battle using only swords, Mihawk wins. It is that simple, it is exactly what has been implied by the narrative. The fact that people don't seem to get something as simple as that is mindblowing
@kennedy6501
2 ай бұрын
So your main argument is since shanks used 2 much haki he is no longer a swordsman
@Speed001
4 ай бұрын
I see Mihawk's attack as a special type of slash. It had a weird green color and was dealt with strangely. Being able to cut anything is less than being able to cut only what you want. Zoro has yet to reach the latter. That is what was in mind when seeing Mihawk finally do something. So i think that slash was meant to cut a Whitebeard, not a Jozu. That's why Jozu didn't immediately get cut in half imo. Whitebeard's strength is his family, that's why he didn't need to move. That is the distance between Mihawk and Whitebeard being measured.
@natureboyOP
4 ай бұрын
It's possible
@Chemaah
6 ай бұрын
All the mihawk Stans won’t like this one
@talent15dj4
9 ай бұрын
Imo I feel since WB knew where Shanks started (on Roger’s ship) to where he is now (Yonko) and the growth Shanks went through and having more of a personal attachment to Shanks WB being goated and how we’ve seen WB act I feel would automatically give Shanks the respect he deserves compared to Mihawk who he seems to just know about through Shanks and the legends of the duels Shanks and Mihawk had, never having that initial factor of knowing where Mihawk started to where he was currently. As for marineford I feel the stakes were just so high on WB’s end to where I feel he wouldn’t feel the need to show respect to Mihawk when he has a clear objective of saving Ace. I could be completely wrong on how much WB knows about Mihawk tbh so sorry if I got that incorrect. I feel in pure swordsmanship alone I think it’s fair to say Mihawk could beat Shanks (although it could go either way), but in an actual fight I do think Shanks could definitely win, I’m excited to see more on how Oda will convey how this fight would turn out in future manga chapters
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
I like this explanation alot on how Whitebeard sees them. Thanks for commenting
@enanebres6481
8 ай бұрын
3.7K 8d 2.73K subs
@silver3mmc192
9 ай бұрын
Never stop cooking
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
Yessir
@FTL_SAN
Ай бұрын
We don’t know when mihawk got his title.
@asanijacobs7664
6 ай бұрын
This entire video was just a Shanks glaze while ignoring logical and narrative implications on the power on Mihawk.
@FTL_SAN
Ай бұрын
Shanks was literally right in front of white beard. You’re telling me that if mihawk was right in from of white beard trying to confront him, that white beard wouldn’t feel the need to get into a stance?
@SoothingMusic883
8 ай бұрын
Mihawk literally low diffs Lanks
@flaviomadeiramirandafilho3469
3 ай бұрын
Pure BS 😂
@drayermapsofficial
2 ай бұрын
Lanks not shanks😂
@PoH27
8 ай бұрын
nice video nature guy i must admit the shanks vs mihawk debate is very tiring i watched this video to see if there was new arguments for shanks winning against mihawk and there weren’t that’s why i stop debating this age old shanks vs mihawk debate
@natureboyOP
8 ай бұрын
Everything is subjective at the end of the day. Nobody will ever bring an argument that 100% objectively ends this debate unless Ods himself comes out and says one is stronger than the other. Which he has not as of yet no matter how much Mihawk fans try to say he has.
@PoH27
8 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOPnice comment you don’t seem bias like the other people in the comments say your are you seem right know im just wating for shanks or mihawk to show there full power/potential. there swordsmanship to see who’s stronger
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
@@PoH27 The how did Mihawk became the strongest swordsman if he never defeated Shanks. I mean Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion when he fought Mihawk, he was far from bein as powerfull as he is now. So how come Mihawk is the strongest swordsman if he never defeated yonkou Shanks ? Isn't his title supposed to be obtained by beating all the strong swordsmen? Then if he never fought against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks or Garling, how can he be considered the strongest swordman ? How do we know that he's stronger than them if he never defeated them?
@PoH27
7 ай бұрын
@@Letsgo1234-iz1dy i respect your opinion
@PoH27
7 ай бұрын
@@Letsgo1234-iz1dy also like i said i will see what oda tells us after shanks and mihawk shows there full power like you said it how can mihawk be the strongest swordsmen if he didn’t defeat these certain people but if these certain people show there full power and mihawk shows something more impressive then he’s the strongest you gotta reamber oda doesn’t power scale like we do ya know that’s why i stopped debating this topic long ago because debate the same stuff with the same arguments like yours will get annoying why would people debate this tiring debate when people in the world of one piece don’t go all out constantly only except when they life is on the line tbh the shanks vs mihawk is definitely the most debated topic in one piece at least in terms of the powerscaling side
@mrbubbles6468
6 ай бұрын
In fairness, Whitebeard attacked Shanks because Shanks kept insalting his pride. Mihawk did not do any of that.
@Anticap17
7 ай бұрын
"HAKI TRANSCEND ALL!!"thats all i need to know who stronger
@garou417
Ай бұрын
We’ve seen Shanks get serious with haki but we haven’t seen Mihawk get serious with haki. And you save the strongest for last in a story like this. Mihawk>Shanks
@beepboop4833
8 ай бұрын
Why would the marines bring up Shanks' swordsmanship/sword skill if he isn't a swordsman? 😂 Shouldn't Mihawk's sword skill be compared to 'pure swordsman' instead of a 'hakiman'? 🤔 You would have to argue that Shanks' primary way of fighting is without using his sword. The power of a swordsman is measured in their swordsmanship. Zoro when he got Enma was excited at the prospect of making his haki stronger, since that is what he needs to become the strongest swordsman. Zoro with stronger haki achieves greater feats of swordsmanship. Kaido when fighting the Scabbards was confused why they can cut him because their swordsmanship is not on Oden's level (Same Japanese word 剣技 is used as in chapter 1058). Does Kaido think he can be cut as long as you swing the sword exactly like Oden? The Scabbards replicate Oden's technique and Kaido still sees Oden as a superior swordsman since he's just stronger than them. Zoro and Mihawk's fight will definitely come down to haki and Zoro has Conqueror's due to his kingly ambition, an ambition that Mihawk already fulfilled. It makes no sense for Zoro to achieve his kingly ambition through 'skill' rather than his haki (willpower). Shanks can have abilities outside of swordsmanship, but as long as his swordsmanship is his main way of fighting, which I don't see why it wouldn't be. If he primarily fought with purely haki then he wouldn't have had to jump all the way to Kid's ship, he could've just shot haki at him from the shore to one shot him, no?
@mrackz5694
9 ай бұрын
You have no evidence that mihawk had the WSS title before
@zackjack10
5 ай бұрын
Databook states vista has swordsmanship skill that rivals mihawks. Mihawk D riders have three options 1. Vista strength rivals shanks making vista yonko level 2. Mihawk is 5th commander level since Vista negated and fended him low diff in marfineford and databook states his sword skills rivals mihawks 3. You have to admit that just because someone has better swordsmanship doesnt automatically make them stronger which is the only argument you have for mihawk > shanks
@YayoHernandez-b1j
9 ай бұрын
Nature Boy my man I saw your last video glad you're back also we all know red hair shanks is the god of haki he will be even much more stronger and powerful than Hawkeye and I'm sure he can manifest a new left arm made entirely out of haki a friend once told me if anyone can do it it shanks
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
Thank you! Good to see you again bro
@landocheckingin
9 ай бұрын
You're arugment died at 4:40. If you are willingly to make an argument on the premise that Mihawk can determine strength W/o crossing a blade and extrapolate that to say that WB>Mihawk, then Mihawk looking at Shanks and calling him a "one arm has been" and declined a duel W/ him should be extrapolated off the same premise of Mihawk knowing the gap b/w him & others without crossing blades thus Mihawk thinking he's superior to Shanks. Mihawk's vivre also supports this notion as it states that he's waiting for someone to surpass his former rival Shanks to duel him. If you aren't going to do that but instead make an argument that Mihawk couldn't measure Shanks's strength thus lying about not seeing Shanks as a challenge then You're just committing a special plea fallacy for Shanks. Just stick to usual; Shanks has better feats, he's not a swordman, etc types of arugments. Narratively, it's an almost impossible job to have him over Mihawk due to his title. You guys can get upset all you want but Oda gave Mihawk that title and reinforces it every chance he gets, thus we the audience has no reason to doubt it. This conversation won't be settled until the story ends where Shanks would be deemed stronger if he's stated to not be a swordman and have better feats than Mihawk or Mihawk performs better feats and compliments his Narrative as the WSS. Shanks seems to have the higher bar to clear as he's already confirmed to be a swordman and his feats, though impressive, is not the best measuring stick in an ongoing story like One Piece where most top tier characters' full strength are unknown due to a lack of role in the current Narrative( Mihawk, Akainu, Imu, Kong, etc).
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
Mihawk is looking for a swordsman to duel, Shanks losing his arm disqualified him from that, not because of his strength but because he isnt going to give Mihawk what he is looking for. Otherwise it would imply that Shanks was stronger 12 years ago prior to becoming a yonko just because of 1 arm which obviously isnt the case
@landocheckingin
9 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP Zoro is missing an eye which is similar, if not a worse disability to Shanks's losing an arm as Shanks can adjust his fighting style while there is no physical mechanism for Zoro to compensate for his lack of eye sight in one eye, yet that doesn't disqualify Zoro from Fighting Mihawk. So no, Shanks's losing an arm isn't the disqualify, it's most likely his strength. Shanks's isn't weaker than he was 12 years ago, although the databook does suggest that he nerf his potential strength as he's stated to be "able to stop Akainu despite losing an arm". Mihawk isn't the same strength as he was 12 years ago as we don't if he even had Yoru yet or turn it into a black blade, so it's possible for Shanks's to grown beyond his strength from 12 years ago while Mihawk did the same but Mihawk doesn't consider him as challenger despite the improvement. At the end of the day, there's no narrative consistency to suggest that Mihawk sees a gap between him and Whitebeard through his ability to discern strength but doesn't see one between himself and Shanks hence why he declined the duel BUT YET wants to fight Zoro who is disabled like Shanks. Too much inconsistencies, so Occam razor is the best thing to go with here.
@justsomeguywithoutamustach7402
8 ай бұрын
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@natureboyOP
8 ай бұрын
Yessirrrr 🙏🏾🙏🏾
@SmaaggProductions-rz5fz
9 ай бұрын
Imagine saying that someone isn't a swordsman just because they use haki. Does blud know that dark blades are made with extreme armament haki? So Mihawk isn't a swordsman either by your logic, right? Also, while responding to fan art with Shanks, Zoro, Mihawk, ect... he stated that they were all the swordsman in One Piece. That alone confirms that Shanks is a swordsman which means that Mihawk is stronger. Also, if Mihawk isn't the WSS then Zoro's goal is pointless because Shanks is still stronger than him. Stating that he was stopped by some random dude in Whitebeard's army means that he's weaker than that random dude is insane. He wasn't using haki, named attacks, or anything more than swinging his sword around. If you think that Mihawk was trying his hardest, then you are delusional. If you have a retort to anything I've said, please respond.
@SmaaggProductions-rz5fz
8 ай бұрын
Bro liked the comment💀
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
The how did Mihawk became the strongest swordsman if he never defeated Shanks. I mean Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion when he fought Mihawk, he was far from bein as powerfull as he is now. So how come Mihawk is the strongest swordsman if he never defeated yonkou Shanks ? Isn't his title supposed to be obtained by beating all the strong swordsmen? Then if he never fought against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks or Garling, how can he be considered the strongest swordman ? How do we know that he's stronger than them if he never defeated them?
@SmaaggProductions-rz5fz
7 ай бұрын
@@Letsgo1234-iz1dy he must’ve defeated the previous strongest swordsman to gain his current title, what if the previous strongest swordsman was stronger than Shanks? If not, Shanks is, to our knowledge, stronger than both Rayleigh and Garling. If Shanks and Mihawk haven’t had a serious fight, therefore we have no clue whether or not Shanks is stronger, but we do know Mihawk scales above Garling and Rayleigh.
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
@@SmaaggProductions-rz5fz if there was a strongest swordsman back then it would have been roger but we know it’s not him because he ends up dying also if there was a previous strongest swordsman then that person would have been talk about the world has no reason to hide that
@powerscallingfiend
7 ай бұрын
@@Letsgo1234-iz1dy"Haki transcend all " like all this mental gymnastics are annoying. Haki is the answer to everything so we should just ask who haki is stronger because that's the most important thing.
@kingofgames3289
8 ай бұрын
Thankyou !!! Shanks is a stronger than Mihawk ! I want everybody who jeffing for Mihawk to keep that same energy when it’s Shanks time to rumble
@kxngjr3582
8 ай бұрын
Bro if we can all agree that whitebread isn’t at is strongest at Marie ford and that’s why mihwak said what he said what he said because whitebread was known as the strongest!! Mihawk told zoro he can tell a person power levels before crossing blades he was trying see if he live up to the “ legend “
@LearnedTheDemi
7 ай бұрын
for me just the fact that mihawk got a 3.5b$ bounty is enough for me to believe that he is stronger
@vovabars1234
8 ай бұрын
Oda:Directly compares Shanks and Mihawk in the story and says Mihawk is a superior swordsman Shanks agenda pushers:"Actually..."
@ifritThe8th
7 ай бұрын
Head cannon you obviously have no evidence or feats to counter this video cope harder ,shanks would never stoop low to be a warlord or be under someone like buggy .😂😂
@vovabars1234
7 ай бұрын
@@ifritThe8th chapter 1059, Mihawk is directly said to be a superior swordsman
@AnimeStories-u3n
5 ай бұрын
And yet none of them got a black blade
@OLIVIERMATESO123
5 ай бұрын
Everything is always against Mihawk, feats, portrayal and respects the only things he has is a title, a huge bounty and the fact that he is Zoros goal. But when you look at portrayal and everything Shanks just clappe Mihawk.
@LukeP-k8g
9 ай бұрын
you are spitting facts, however... I think people need to examine character motivations for when/how they utilize their full strength. shanks gives his arm to the next generation, while mihawk gives a wound for the next generation. I still don't believe we've seen anything to indicate mihawk cares in any of these fights he's shown in. the thing that unlocks or pushes mihawk into his serious form like how shanks one tapped kid when his crew was threatened... maybe when mihawk see's someone worthy ,he see's someone who pursues the upper limit of what it means to become the strongest. we've only seen mihawk get really excited when he felt zoro's resolve to become the strongest, and you saw mihawk really emotional from that. mihawk was not at all impressed or disappointed with vista. he effortlessly parried all his blows and examined his petal technique. so mihawk has a swordsman honor so he doesn't trash talk or needlessly ruin a character he knows he can one tap, not his style. mihawk only embarrasses characters with no honor, like when he's bored in east blue hunting down rat krieg. so when zoro unlocks his black blade we'll finally see the reason for mihawk to truely take a fight seriously. mihawk wants to see if someone with a reason to fight for another while unlocking a black blade, can defeat him, and that excites him. when shanks still had both arms, mihawk saw shanks potential and they both fought at the least, seriously. shanks does not see mihawk as a threat to his dream or pirate crew, so we don't see shanks go all out, but still serious. while on the inverse you see mihawk excited at the prospect of a two arm'd shanks with superb swordsmanship and haki, they draw. I think we both saw them being relative, but mihawk was perhaps pushing himself to compete with someone on par gol d roger. while shanks was fighting for real, but there wasn't an extra reason for him to go the extra mile like mihawk did in the duels. I still think shanks and mihawk have incredible observation haki where they cancel eachother out, so shanks can't out perception blitz. the haki attacks from yoru or any black blade has the ability to clash with shank's advanced conq haki coated sword attacks, hence the draws. Don't believe everything you see because there are factors at play that oda has yet to expand upon, oda has made it convoluted on purpose to give the power of will the edge on any given day to a fighter who's will or desire is stronger in that moment. he can make so many left turn narrative adjustments to flip expecations on the fan base's head. this is why oda is one of the goats. and for long form story telling his the goat.
@jasonxx9884
9 ай бұрын
When was mihawk stated to be the world strongest swordsman during his duels with shanks . It’s not in the manga ,databook or vivre card . Also when they said mihawk has Greater sword skill than shanks wouldn’t that include divine departure?🤔
@Noooo-ed3ns
9 ай бұрын
Actually the opposite if u are arguing shanks>mihawk ur biggest fears are data books and vivre cards mihawk vivre card states he is the strongest swordsman in both name and actuality which would debunk any fruad hawk arguments along with some other times mihawk has been stated to be the most powerful swordsman and from the top of my head know of times shanks is called a swordsman 1 is in a a art competition oda had or something fans drew art oda commented on it someone drew a picture of men with swords which included shanks Zoro mihawk roger Rayleigh and other sword users not king tho and oda commented “swordsman when they cut it hurts” 2 would be Four Billion (RED) Magazine Confirms Shanks Is A Swordsman and it doesn’t end here there is a statement which literally says shanks was once as strong as mihawk implying he no longer is as strong as mihawk oh and I forget in Mihawks bounty reveal they hype of his sword skills by comparing them to shanks which wouldn’t make any sense if shanks was a swordsman that would be like saying Mike Tyson is a great boxer because his boxing skills are greater than Gordon Ramsay’s boxing skills
@GoldenFinger-y4c
9 ай бұрын
Its seen in ep 917 that the words says strongest swordsmen alse recently its stated as well in manga Mihawk have better sword skill witch is just skill but I belive Mihawk also have adv.coc.haki.
@OLIVIERMATESO123
5 ай бұрын
If Mihawk is stronger then it's absolutely not that much gap.
@hushsilence8932
7 ай бұрын
Shanks is still a Swordsman. Oda already made that clear. Mihawk has better Skill. We see in Wano that Haki and swordsmanship are directly related, so just because he's a strong Haki user, doesn't automatically mean he's not the same type of swordsman Mihawk is, elsewise he'd have never been considered a rival. Being incredulous to canon statements doesn't debunk or contradict the statements. It's just incredulity. Mihawk's vivre card stated he sailed around the entire world and defeated every strong swordsman until none were left. They also state he's the strongest in name and in reality. Lastly, people treat Shanks differently because he's been to laugh tale, he's been on Roger's Crew, and he's related to the Champion God's Knights leader Saint Garling. His name by default carries weight. Mihawk is similar, but he made his name mean something. He killed So many Marines they had to give him a job. Shanks got most his clout off Mihawk, so how he's viewed is also off association
@ItachiUchiha_1724
9 ай бұрын
People need to realize Mihawk Only cares about 2 things someone stronger than him so he can beat And peace Mihawk literally Beyond neg diffed Zoro at baratie But essentially Said when he left him alive "its not over we still have something to settle" Because zoro made a vow to never lose until he beats mihawk Now shanks said this to mihawk "Are you here to settle thing with me hawkeye" Mihawk Probably saw the potential of shanks the same way he did with zoro He didn't kill either of them becuase maybe just maybe they could surpass him Shanks was on a great track to become stronger than him In his vivre card he looks forward to the day a stronger swordsmaster appears even greater than his rival red haired shanks But he lost his arm and his potential Lessened Why i have a theory but instead lets just say its simply will He lost his arm that day A billion bounty man (shanks) should never have lost his arm His will faltered for a moment But then he delt with the sea king (Personally getting drunk stops the use of Haki you need to be calm for observation you need focus for armament and you need unbreakable will to use conquers when your drunk your none of this shanks just got done with drinking makino's bar now this can be used for benefit shanks and his crew are almost always drinking and since it hinders haki it makes sense yasopp constantly see's the future imagine how annoying that would be if it is constantly activated im not saying he can't control it but getting drunk helps turn it off And its probably the same for the rest of the crew If its true then they are nerfing themselves constantly Further more mihawk half the time is also getting drunk he always as wine at the ready) Point is Mihawk Is stronger than the strongest guy in the verse And he doesn't care because of that If there was someone stronger than him he would instantly be on the move As for the vista shit Mihawk asked for his swordsman ship vista brought flowers and NAMED attacks Mihawk saw through them and instantly overwhelmed it and destroyed it with his own BASIC slash And Mihawk noticed vista isn't using everything because he is worried about the war about ace about Wb Mihawk wanted to see his ultimate attacks to see his 100% But vista could Not focus So mihawk said lets do this some other time Mihawk said and did all of this while looking at luffy Mihawk tested wb because he notciced something was wrong And everyone saw it when squardo stabbed wb Crocodile picked up on it Mihawk knew wb was of no interest when someone had to defend wb That Basic slash was a test a test wb failed And mihawks only interest then became luffy He never said "me and that man" He said "us and that man" I believe he gauged the entire marines forces and put their power in a basic attack Jozu didn't stop it He held it and redirected it He Could not stop it And this goes to show perfectly Because every commander could hold and stop any admiral If don't think mihawk included the warlords themselves Doflamingo shitted on jozu neg diff And sword mastery is at play here Intent matters Mihawk aimed for wb that is why jozu could even redirevt it Mihawk aimed for luffy a mile away in a crowded battlefield and only hit luffy He aimed for luffy and mr.1 blocked it Then he aimed for mr.1 and got neg diffed one shot
@laraison6020
8 ай бұрын
They fought when Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion. Of course he was much weaker than what he is now. There is no way of telling who is stronger than who since Mihawk never fought prime Shanks. How can he be the strongest swordsman if he never defeated any of the strongest swordsmen ?
@Letsgo1234-iz1dy
7 ай бұрын
The how did Mihawk became the strongest swordsman if he never defeated Shanks. I mean Shanks had a bounty of 1 billion when he fought Mihawk, he was far from bein as powerfull as he is now. So how come Mihawk is the strongest swordsman if he never defeated yonkou Shanks ? Isn't his title supposed to be obtained by beating all the strong swordsmen? Then if he never fought against Rayleight, yonkou Shanks or Garling, how can he be considered the strongest swordman ? How do we know that he's stronger than them if he never defeated them?
@youngnaughtysoul
9 ай бұрын
The one piece Community is cute and friendly
@Noir_Enfer_13
9 ай бұрын
really i got to agree
@YoungblazinKTN
6 ай бұрын
I know I’m late to the Party but Shanks Beats Mihawk as long as the Fight is Not just a Sword Fight. Mihawk’s Only Advantage is that he is a Better Swordsman than Shanks. In Everything else and I Mean EVERYTHING ELSE Shanks Beats Mihawk, Period. I don’t care what Any Mihawk Fanboy Says. No where in Story did Oda state that Shanks or Mihawk Beat each other. On Top of that, Shanks literally 1-Shotted Someone on the Level of an Admiral with someone close to the same level for fun. Is Mihawk’s Conqueror’s Haki anywhere near Shanks? At this Point I have my Doubts. I think Mihawk can Beat Shanks if it’s just a Fight with Sword Skills Only!!! Otherwise Shanks Clears him. For those that want to Downplay Jozu for Blocking Mihawk’s Attack, you’re full of Crap. Mihawk tried to Test the Power of Whitebeard even tho Mihawk didn’t go all out, he used a Considerable amount of Power to see how Whitebeard would respond. Jozu Deflected that Attack, so let’s give him his Props instead of Making Excuses. Mihawk Being held back by Vista is meh, cuz you can Argue that Vista wanted to keep Mihawk at bay to Protect Luffy. Mihawk isn’t going to Low Dif Vista, IMO. But I’m willing to say Mihawk could have took Luffy out if he wanted too but he wasn’t trying to catch Luffy. So it’s fair downplay the Vista argument but you can’t Downplay that Jozu Argument. In Conclusion, Outside of a Strictly A Sword Fight, Shanks is Beating Mihawk Period.
@natureboyOP
6 ай бұрын
Thank you
@traehignight
9 ай бұрын
Disagree heavily. Gotta defend my boy Goathawk(I don’t care that Fexr says it too). For one, he didn’t use a named attack against Whitebeard. He pulled up and threw a casual unnamed slash like what he used against Luffy. Furthermore the reason that he was just a warlord and wasn’t getting as much attention in Marineford is that he’s trying to live quietly and peacefully most of the time. He doesn’t really care about fighting anyone besides Zoro. As someone else has already stated, the argument about the statement of it being an evolution can also be used against Shanks here because people have also said that he “**used to** be able to clash with Mihawk” I’m not sure about what people are saying about an editor leaking that Oda told then that Mihawk is stronger, but if that is true then that settles it as a Goathawk win.
@tomlewis3362
8 ай бұрын
the moment mihawk stood up literally everyone paused and had side dialog because they wanted to watch him, Mihawk also said "between us and that man who seems like he's right in front of us".....that is deeper then just he's above us, more like Mihawk could sense or "see" that dude wasn't what he once was and could sense that he was not strong enough to stop him. None of what you said disproves Mihawks position above or equal to Shanks
@yashaschandrashekar4158
3 ай бұрын
all this dude did in this vid was ride shanks co the entire time . get a ytber who rides co like u but of mihawk and then lets see the the result
@trds9
5 ай бұрын
He’s Swordsman but in terms of strength he’s Top 1 of one piece , mihawk was only created for Zoro’s goal .
@ScratchOffSam-cf4vu
7 ай бұрын
There is literally no fight where Shanks doesn't pull out his sword that he is in. Your facts and logic are flawed.
@ifritThe8th
7 ай бұрын
Great points in the video ,The cope man 😂these people would look at the sky and tell you it’s green .
@Dreallday20
8 ай бұрын
It is not confirmed if mihawk was the worlds strongest swordsman 12 years ago. Nor is it confirmed when Mihawk first joined the warlords. For all we know, Mihawk couldve stop dueling shanks and became the marine hunter since shanks was no longer a challenge due to losing an arm. Thus Mihawk grew just like Shanks and became WSS.
@yuan713
8 ай бұрын
8mims in and I can see you on the Shanks train. A good portion of the community always gets that quote wrong regarding Mihawk referencing the distance between them and Whitebeard. He was rather pondering if the distance between them is as great as people make it out to be, and we see that it wasn't cause he was sick and could barely use haki competently. Everyone else was drooling over the fact that "omg it's Whitebeard" even his enemies, meanwhile Mihawk is all about seeing the truth. Especially considering the symbolism with his eyes perceiving all things to the point he's labled "Hawkeye". The whole conquerors haki analogy you brought implies Shanks to be weaker than Rayleigh. In a sbs Oda confirms they can knock out the same amount of people, yet you're saying Shanks can't control who he knocks out? That suggest inferiority.
@natureboyOP
8 ай бұрын
Oda stated that of all the 100,000 fishmen present, both Shanks and Rayleigh are capable of knocking them all out. It just means both their CoC are "atleast" that good. Also I'm not saying Rayleighs is better but that he has better control. Its blatantly shown Shanks knocks out his own crew with his haki, meanwhile Ray protected people as weak as pre ts Nami and Usopp from being harmed by it. This is just a fact. So its highly implied Shanks doesnt have the greatest control of his haki and my point was that its most likely because his is so much stronger than others including Rayleigh
@GreatGreenLeo
9 ай бұрын
Mihawk is goal for Zoro. Zoro wanna take his title. Shanks is just a yonko. Not even a goal for Luffy. Luffy already a yonko. He wanna be pirate king. Way more important than just yonko. Mihawk > Shanks
@Mattia94283
5 ай бұрын
The argument could be dropped in 5 seconds by reading MIhawk's vivre card (officially made by Oda, the guy who writes One Piece, you know) "the world's strongest swordsman, he's waiting someone stronger than his rival Shanks to appear". If you want to believe that Shanks is stronger it's fine, one piece retcons a lot but the decency of having an open mind about it should be required. The arguments of the video are bad, people are stalled at the plot's convenience in one piece every single time, see Lucci vs Zoro. It's what happens when you put op characters in certain places but can't make the story end here, how many times could Kizaru kill Luffy at marineford? The result is having Mihawk who could not be bothered to act and was happy to just get timestalled, he doesn't even give a damn about the war, he just needs his warlord title intact so the marines don't restart annoying him with fodders. If you want to properly predict a story you should understand what the story wants to do. The whole bit of Whitebeard i particularly couldn't stand, it's a bunch of baseless headcanon made from nothing, really? The idea that he would be eager to defend his title of strongest, in the middle of a war to rescue his "son". If it's for that he also didn't move a finger when Kizaru attacked, when they fought 1v1 he lost every exchange. Powerscaling is fun if people don't push agendas, Crocodile is the guy that most embodies how powerscaling is useless, he was introduced at a point where one piece was supposely halfway point and suffered from it, now he's easily as strong as a yonko commander give or take. I don't care who's stronger, i'm a fan of both but i hope the arguments turn better than "the guy who was rival of Mihawk was never a swordsman" because it's ridicolous.
@Brandon-qx7hw
5 ай бұрын
The One piece community is never ceases to amaze me with going against common sense. I love Shanks but every argument for him doesn’t make sense. Especially Haki when it comes to the sword. We’ve seen all the elite swordsman so far use ACoC and armament coat. Roger, shanks and Oden all have displayed it, so for shanks to have stronger Haki than Mihawk would make no sense cause Mihawk lose the clash. Now if you made the argument of they were of equal standing then sure, but for those who say Shanks has better Haki but Mihawk has better sword skills makes no sense since both go hand in hand. Mihawk even mentions it when telling Zoro about Haki. Also his title is Worlds strongest swordsman not skilled swordsman. Plus Mihawks lore of strength is more than shanks. It’s stated by doffy to survive the GL you either fight against the yonko or join them, yet none of the Yonko besides Shanks ever bothered to fuck with him. Also another thing people over look is how Mihawk is able to just pull up on shanks and his entire crew and not even be fazed when threatened. Just my opinion though.
@yardietaylor7790
7 ай бұрын
Until I see mihawk actually do something that, anything he on fraud watch I can't rate him
@ZZ-ex8py
9 ай бұрын
the fact that people are still trying to say shanks isnt a swordsman in 2023 is so funny LMAOO the fact that this needs to be proves, shows the state of delusion of the shanks fandom sbs 101 oda refers to shanks as a swordsman in the usopp gallery
@omarwrighy731
9 ай бұрын
Great video nature boy i have to admit ik mihawk is stronger but you put up such i good point im even thinking if mihawk can win but im my opinion they are equals but mihawk is stronger barely,but nature bky do you think blackbeard can beat prime sengoku .
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
Thank you bro. And no I got Prime Sengoku there
@omarwrighy731
9 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP ahh i see so you think prime sengoku can beat aokiji and akainu too .
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
@@omarwrighy731 Yes
@omarwrighy731
9 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP but should't the new fleet admiral surpass the former exept the case with kong and sengoku bc sengoku was in his prime when kong was fleet admiral anyways since akainu is new fleet admiral should he not be stronger than prime sengoku .
@omarwrighy731
9 ай бұрын
@@natureboyOP i think you should do an all time top 30 strongest list .
@fili0938
9 ай бұрын
I believe Shanks USED TO BE a swordsman back when he had both arms. His dominant arm was his left arm so all his swordplay was lost. Think of Jaime Lannister from Game of Thrones. When he lost his right hand he stated that he was that hand. Without that hand he will never reach the same level again no matter how much he trains with his left. Shanks probably abandoned the path of swordsmanship after losing his left arm.
@natureboyOP
9 ай бұрын
Agreed
@ZZ-ex8py
9 ай бұрын
jamie lannister and shanks are still both swordsman after they lost their arms 🤣 whats the difference between jamie before and after losing his arm? he's worse at fighting, just like shanks ur literally giving the reason why mihawk is more powerful
@fili0938
9 ай бұрын
@@ZZ-ex8py Most media literate viewer
@Shubham-hr5uw
8 ай бұрын
shanks didnt abandoned swordmanship , he is still using is, his level decreses.
@laraison6020
8 ай бұрын
@@Shubham-hr5uwyes but his conqueror's haki masteey increased, his bounty is the proof of that, when he had two armes he had only a 1 billion berry bounty...
@strykervirus1724
8 ай бұрын
Huh, so your argument for Shanks not being a swordsman is becoming he has immense conquerors haki?
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