The only reason Nadu "looks" like it is okay in the meta share it is because full power Nadu is impossible to play on MTGO. One pro said the deck is literally impossible to play on MTGO because you will clock yourself into a loss. You can't auto yes through anything or repeat triggers because everything is a new target and must be individually clicked. Just get rid of Nadu, it is horrible to watch, it is horrible to play against and it is horrible to play.
@redshirtnumber3494
3 ай бұрын
yeah and you can't figure out which creatures have triggered multiple times its so bad lmao
@GodzillaFreak
3 ай бұрын
@@pathora4484 you can if you use your brain and build a deck that wins after like 20 draws without needing thassa
@NateBullock-ow6on
2 ай бұрын
😢
@derekmacias9374
3 ай бұрын
U telling me that a deck that literally removes the wincon of the oponent is ok with predictable decks that depend on one wincon? Incredible
@unicorescannacorner6999
3 ай бұрын
@@derekmacias9374 good point. Somelne got some of my Typical Forst sliver Cards Exiled, like thassa and Lab maniac and thiught he was safe… I then casted 4 color aragorn and just cycled squee for infinite damage to the Table… 😝
@t4kato147
3 ай бұрын
This would sound reasonable and all except Nadu has 82% winrate against Mill in the last month
@t4kato147
3 ай бұрын
I wish we used data from competitive rather than casual players more. The tournament win rate of Nadu is 82% against mill. Its unhelpful to overestimate winrate of decks like control or mill just cause casual players concede the match the as soon as theyre bored or get hit by a mill spell.
@briankenney9528
3 ай бұрын
I put a helm of the host on nadu and my opponent let me get 3 nadu tokens and that was it
@otakuamerican5190
3 ай бұрын
Oh god does the ability stack…
@otakuamerican5190
3 ай бұрын
Oh god you just made me realize how sick that interaction is
@palaeoloxodonfalconeri1105
3 ай бұрын
@@otakuamerican5190 helm kind of just goes crazy on every creature
@squiggless3968
3 ай бұрын
The thing about grief in legacy vs modern in modern you have to play a bad card in not dead after all whereas in legacy you get reanimate which is just a good card
@scott898586
3 ай бұрын
I still vote for the errata push to just change the text "spell or ability" or just "spell" and that would probably fix it, but then RS just dominates the format until people cry for Ral to be banned.
@Shnoblr
3 ай бұрын
hot take but RS is really bad, we have so many hate pieces and everyone knows how to play against it since we’ve seen it in the past. Not to mention it had a 30 percent win rate in the pro tour
@scott898586
3 ай бұрын
@@Shnoblr I think that is more reflective of just how dominating Nadu was than it was how prepared people were. I am only saying that is the next thing people will choose to be upset about once they fix or ax the bird
@gnockgnock6965
3 ай бұрын
I'd change Nadu to be a hard one per turn for the entire ability rather than per creature.
@NinjaFrog65
3 ай бұрын
Naw, Storm is one of the easiest to hate strategies in Modern. Especially if they continue to rely on Wishing up Grapeshot.
@francescognerre2408
3 ай бұрын
idk about modern, since i dont play it, but imo pioneer would be in a healthier state without either amalia or wildgrowth walker and without bloodtithe harvester
@Martin-qb2mw
3 ай бұрын
I quit pio because of Amalia. It completely trashes my deck of choice.
@VampireNightHawkMtG
3 ай бұрын
@@francescognerre2408 yea that stupid combo is brainless anytime i see it even on arena i play just explorer btw so pioneer of arena on there and its everywhere and just so boring imo if you play it youre a trash player in my eyes.
@francescognerre2408
3 ай бұрын
@@Martin-qb2mw which deck (out of curiosity) but i get it amalia is close to making me not play pioneer anymore
@francescognerre2408
3 ай бұрын
@@VampireNightHawkMtG im really glad for explorer, since i typically never see amalia on explorer. but in paper on the other hand ....
@VampireNightHawkMtG
3 ай бұрын
@@francescognerre2408 omg idk if its because im playing a rogues creature build or what but i get fucked by Amalia all the time nothing like the Arena match rigging i play the same deck on paper in pioneer so yea Amalia is just a problem id rather play against control all day then against that garbage
@stormtrooperjeepjk
3 ай бұрын
Ive built an omo deck with nadu in the 99 however, ive built it with one positive rock and one creature tutor (on a creature) (land tutors not included) in hopes it has some power but overly "oppressive" Nadu, can play as the commander too
@TausHerper
3 ай бұрын
Chances are most modern players that don’t want nadu banned haven’t played against it or pilot the deck themselves.
@ohcrapnotyou7323
3 ай бұрын
Played against it and have no issue with it but I am a grief player soooo take that for what you will
@t4kato147
3 ай бұрын
@@ohcrapnotyou7323 well it's too bad then cause Nadu has 75% winrate against Rakdos Scam and 55% against monoblack scam this month
@ToadboyMTG
3 ай бұрын
Grief needs a ban. So does bowmaster. Bowmaster is just a auto include black card and that's a problem.
@thebrunoo2730
3 ай бұрын
@@ToadboyMTG so is bolt in red or FoN in blue but I dont think we should ban cards just based on playrate alone
@ekrotte8714
3 ай бұрын
@@ToadboyMTG bowmasters is an incredible card. but it's playrate is currently tanking in modern.
@ToadboyMTG
3 ай бұрын
@ekrotte8714 that's due to them printing insane creatures with 2 toughness now. They intentionally are pushing out all 1 toughness creatures as their form of power creep. 1. Nadu should have been a 1/1 end of story. 2. Bowmaster was made to answer ragavan now these 2 toughness creatures answer bowmaster...basically they are intentionally power creeping modern to sell packs but when does it end?
@lostalone9320
3 ай бұрын
Bowmasters is dropping off because it flatly does not answer Nadu, because Nadu doesn't draw cards. If Nadu drew cards instead of "put into hand" then you could fizzle their whole combo with instant speed bowmaster.
@atheistmantis1264
3 ай бұрын
I may or may not be a mill lover, but that´s an excellent point! Hot take on the meta: unban currently banned cards to shake up the meta.
@ecpracticesquad4674
3 ай бұрын
Online numbers are full of issues when it comes to Nadu. The deck’s combo is a nightmare to execute online. In paper, the winrate of Nadu is misleading due to how many mirror matches that get played. The deck needs a ban. With that said, I’d like to see Nadu stay in the format as a value creature but don’t think that’s realistic.
@MrDalenstance
3 ай бұрын
Link of the tournament?
@NateBullock-ow6on
2 ай бұрын
Modern U/B Mill and surgical extraction would destroy grief and nadu, 💀
@hyperjank5129
3 ай бұрын
You want nadu banned because it’s too strong I want nadu banned because I want the prices to go down for commander.
@ssgansta-m-j-t
Ай бұрын
It's already 2 dollars lmao
@vajrayana9405
3 ай бұрын
I just realized I hate mill players more than nadu players thanks
@yfw123
3 ай бұрын
Nadu can be the necessary evil , compared with grief and the one ring.
@OsamuWuVT
3 ай бұрын
i came to this video late; but something happened cause Nadu's price just plummeted; he was over 30 dollars the other day now he's like 2 bucks. was he banned somewhere out side of Duel Commander?
@alpha34098
3 ай бұрын
Fear of the card getting banned
@Sorran87
3 ай бұрын
Modern needs a MINIMUM of roughly a dozen bans. Nadu is obviously a problem, but the decks that would rise from that banning are not okay either
@joshvon8495
3 ай бұрын
Just say you don’t like modern and play a different format lol
@securatyyy
3 ай бұрын
Nah, modern definitely needs some bans.
@thomasdaniels6247
3 ай бұрын
No it doesn't. Lol . I can think of one for sure Maybe One other that could be a candidate but probably doesn't need to be banned .
@lostalone9320
3 ай бұрын
Modern needs to be shaked up - Maybe it needs unbannings, but we need to change things up.
@Sorran87
3 ай бұрын
Modern is a great format but WOTC has mismanaged it pretty badly over the past 5+ years. I seriously don't understand how we keep getting more Horizons sets when they've been nothing but horrible for the format
@fearedhobo
3 ай бұрын
It’s line playing against lantern control or lattice lol
@joshuaturner4602
3 ай бұрын
I personally think if you hate grief you should also ban 0 mana counter spells. Removing a card from your hand before you cast it and putting into.the graveyard after you cast it are basically the same (the only difference between griefing your spell and forcing your spell is that with force you still had to pay to cast the spell before i tossed it in the trash
@laytonjr6601
3 ай бұрын
The difference is Grief is a creature. In Legacy, you can reanimate it for double trigger and in modern you can Not Dead After All to double trigger. Force of Will and Force of Négation are 2 for 1 while Grief is a 3 for 3 (you end up with a creature on the board)
@nekneeb
3 ай бұрын
But.. Nadu loves the mill crabs.
@MrLucasrn
3 ай бұрын
InFECT NADU!
@isambo400
3 ай бұрын
They need to ban a bunch of cards and unban a bunch of cards to make modern playable
@NateBullock-ow6on
2 ай бұрын
No they don't stop whining
@ashemabahumat4173
3 ай бұрын
I say let the deck stick around for a format or so, then decide if its too much from there. It should be allowed to at least exist for a bit before getting rid of it
@chicco5033
3 ай бұрын
7/8 Nadu in top8, 4/4 in top 4. Existed long enough.
@ashemabahumat4173
3 ай бұрын
@@chicco5033 By no means, lol. The One Ring has been around long enough, tho
@pridefulworm
3 ай бұрын
I think mtg can only take so many modern horizons sets before it invalidates almost all of the old cards besides the busted stuff. We already have boros energy a deck of almost all mh3 cards out of a pool from 20 years of sets...a deck that is meta is from the 1 newest set. Mtg is doomed with purposeful power creep, pc is inevitable to some degree, but to do it on purpose erodes the old cards until we have mh cube. Lame af
@chalkenjoyer
3 ай бұрын
I wanna play Magic not Solitaire
@dorrothschild8420
3 ай бұрын
One of the most bannable card in modern right now is chord of calling. It goes under the rader but as creatures get better and better chord for 1-3 is powerfull enough to end games at instant speed. It can also be a ban that nerfs the nadu decks just enough to make them not overpowered.
@fearedhobo
3 ай бұрын
Ring is just as annoying
@Marcosomos
3 ай бұрын
Copium
@VeGiTo3Po2
3 ай бұрын
You just hate grief, and think its banworthy on legacy because of modern reasons. Grief is banworthy on legacy because the reescaminator shell is too powerfull, consistent and hard to counter (mostly because of psychic frog adition to the deck). Banning grief on legacy would be great, that been said the card is not overpower on legacy, nor creates "unfun" patterns on a format based on free interactions. (not to mention the existance of brainstorm and ponder, giving you the hability to hide your goods on top of your deck). You are just being bias and hating on a card you hate everytime you have the chance. I would love for you to keep your opinions consisten and treat legacy and modern as 2 different formats.
@DELTA-Gacha-Addict
3 ай бұрын
Honestly it just punishes players for not playing good removal in the end. So put those removals in.
@Shnoblr
3 ай бұрын
As a firm believer of not banning nadu I understand why you would want nadu banned I think we should ban shuko not nadu I don’t think this is a bridge from below situation. My reasoning is that nadu is a combo deck which is objectively needed for the format to stay diverse (mono red storm had a 30 percent win rate for those who are about to say that in the reply’s). Nadu is a brand new deck so we don’t really know how to truly play against it, or even the best hate pieces so I think it needs time. Also if we ban nadu the best decks in the format will all be control decks like jeskai and mono black (grief haters aren’t happy about that one.) it’s obvious nadu needs a nerf but outright banning it feels a bit extreme, also also shuko is so good in the deck since it lets you win on turn 3 and also is fetchable with urzas saga.
@bartoszkonieczny3238
3 ай бұрын
Can you explain further? uwu
@tako4316
3 ай бұрын
I think I see where you're coming from, but just to double check, your reasoning please.
@doomkingraye7692
3 ай бұрын
yeah let's ban a card that has existed for years now instead of the new card
@Shnoblr
3 ай бұрын
@@doomkingraye7692 first of all shuko wasn’t played at allll before so who cares about shuko ban. Anyway my reasoning is that modern needs combo decks, very few people are trying to argue that since if we ban nadu very quickly the best decks would be control decks like mono black necro and jeskai control. And those are far more oppressive then nadu, they are also far harder to beat. I personally think the reason why nadu is so good right now is because it’s a completely brand new deck so no one knows how to play against it yet, and we are still unsure of what to bring in as the best hate piece against it. And my reasoning for banning shuko is that nadu does for sure need a nerf, best case scenario is wizards erata it to say lands enter tapped but they aren’t going to do that. The reason why shuko is so good is because it lets the deck win on turn 3 and it can be found off urzas saga. Replacing it for something like lightning greaves would heavily weaken the deck, not to mention lightning greaves give the creature shroud which may sound like a buff but that makes so you need many creatures on board since you can’t equip the same creature if your others don’t have more triggers. Anyway that’s my reasoning at least.
@paniago82
3 ай бұрын
i would agree with you that we don´t know hot to play against it yet BUT the players from Pro Tour should know how to fast adapt to new cards and they did, by playing nadu. Pretty much every one was ready for nadu and they still lost to it. That is not the only problem, nadu gameplay is a miserable watching experience and probably even worst to play against.
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