I’ve heard of arbitration and the settled amounts plenty of times before, but never seen a breakdown of generally how the process goes. Very informative and cleanly explained video!
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@theodorec5775
Жыл бұрын
The best description of this process I've seen so far. Fantastic work.
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@TheTEN24
Жыл бұрын
Great outline and shows why even the rich owners can’t just willingly agree over such a small discrepancy because like you said that number increases each year which I didn’t realize about that % increase
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Jame5man
Жыл бұрын
Every year in the NHL about 10-15 players will have their contract negotiations go before an arbitrator. 95% of the time it will be the player opting for this as the incentives of the system lean in the players favour. Very rarely will a team opt for it as they usually find in the players favour and every arbitrator awarded contract is two years and will walk a player to UFA(unrestricted free agent) status. In these cases even an arbitration win is still a loss as a player is no longer tethered to the organization Nearly every case will never see an arbitrator with teams and players coming to agreements prior to their hearing as teams know they usually find in the players favour don’t want an RFA(restricted free agent) to be walked to UFA status and ending a teams control over a player with no guarantee that the player in question will even negotiate a new deal before becoming a free agent
@chrisdasilva7642
Жыл бұрын
wow i had NO clue it was this complex thank you for explaining
@maddrone7814
Жыл бұрын
As a relatively new baseball fan I have to say you’ve done a great job explaining the arbitration and I’ve been going thru some of your other work and I’m very happy to have stumbled across your page!
@ethanwagner
Жыл бұрын
God I love baseball stats nerds. Y’all fr keep the world turning, recently found this channel and every vid is a banger
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Haha, Thanks.
@yankeesforlife24
Жыл бұрын
Some teams are better at file and trial than others. Some intentionally drag their players through the mud, such as the Yankees, while others treat each and every player the exact same.
@teachersama
Жыл бұрын
That intro bass tho
@TBone31
Жыл бұрын
Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for uploading. I just threw up at school and am not feeling well and this video made my day.
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that
@coreygroh654
Жыл бұрын
Your video content is elite, but your intro is what keeps me coming back each time
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that
@seen48
Жыл бұрын
Amazing content and presentation. I laughed a few times however, when you said: it only $700,000…..It’s only $850,000 a year, they can afford that. It’s funny how we all think it’s okay.
@mike-0451
Жыл бұрын
850,000 dollars is more than what some doctors make. I think playing baseball for an executive salary is more than worth it.
@pedrotrujilloamaya9618
Жыл бұрын
This is such a great content!! I love the managerial side of sports and this is great
@Changsnoop
Жыл бұрын
7:44 I'm curious if there are any patterns in whether the team or player wins in arbitration, e.g. player status (bone-fide star vs. productive complementary piece vs. bench player), how big the spread of the figures were, etc. Do big ticket stars usually win more in arb? Well-done video either way - definitely clarified what I thought was a confusing system. Great work!
@sagedatuin4969
11 ай бұрын
such a captivating video did not hesitate watching this in its full.
@justinllamas1
Жыл бұрын
the deals atlanta are doing aren’t that super friendly. they convince their players to take more money early in their careers by delaying their free agency by 2-3 years, and also taking less money than in their FA years. a ‘team friendly’ deal was pete alonso making 1.5M in his first 3 years, plus only 7.5M last year. in addition, an extension has to be a 2-way streets. many players, esp if they have boras as an agent, are willing to make league min and then go to arbitration year-by-year and undermarket in hopes of splashing big in free agency. case in point : cole made about 35M in career earnings from 2011 to 2019. now he surpasses that in 1 year (36M).
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Even accounting for free agency discounts, Ozzie Albies is by far the friendliest team contract in the league. He could've asked for $20 million more the day he signed that contract and the Braves would've still rushed for him to sign. I also think you're underestimating how much they're delaying those players free agency. Except for Strider, it's not 2-3 years. Albies, Acuna, Murphy, and Harris were 4 years and Riley was 8 years.
@justinllamas1
Жыл бұрын
@@BaseballsNotDead ahh thanks for explaining that part to me 👌🏼 didn’t think these players delayed FA by that much. still … these players took guaranteed money early rather than try to milk every penny out of free agency possible, which could easily backfire. yelich is thankful he signed an extension. bellinger is punching a wall wishing boras would have let him sign an extension.
@VictorRodriguez-qn1kz
Жыл бұрын
Braves should go to jail for Ozzie
@markeastridge9649
Жыл бұрын
Gave up a lot to get some money sooner and a have career ending safety net.
@Conner.Suzuki
Жыл бұрын
For setting Ozzie’s family and future generations up for life?
@VictorRodriguez-qn1kz
Жыл бұрын
@@Conner.Suzuki I don't want to hear that shi give the man market value
@4thand3
Жыл бұрын
Mets going to met
@salexweldon
Жыл бұрын
More money than he would’ve gotten in arbitration, and he gets to be a free agent and get another deal younger
@jonbolin344
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Loving your content lately!
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@BraedanShigley
Жыл бұрын
Truly an amazing video! Fantastic work
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@notrealpalmer
Жыл бұрын
Dude I went to high school with Jeff… so cool to see him on the cover picture and be featured in these videos.
@jdb7945
Жыл бұрын
Great video Wow very detailed.
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@WhatHappenedtoBaseball
Жыл бұрын
Baseball’s Offseason Content King
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
It's like being the king of a desolate wasteland.
@nicholasadams2374
Жыл бұрын
This is a phenomenal video describing a convoluted system in an easy way. I finally get it!!!
@BaseballisEverything
Жыл бұрын
Amazing video didn't even think of the future years of arb just the first years
@matthewpallenik1407
Жыл бұрын
It’s still sketchy as hell that league front office execs literally give out a championship belt to who can push player salaries down the most in arb.
@wick3dgard3n
Жыл бұрын
Short version: Don't feed monkeys cucumbers....got it. 👍
@sidasdf
Жыл бұрын
Such a fascinating video. A really great watch I want to take a course on the economics of this
@anadraham2995
Жыл бұрын
That's gotta be one of the most informative videos I've ever watched👍🎈👍
@Reedinho
Жыл бұрын
You might have the best intro on KZitem
@Dlnqntt
Жыл бұрын
This information will make a huge difference in my current OOTP save!
@Bnev93
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering why the Cubs are paying Bellinger so much after the season he’s coming off of. Great example and he’s also having a great year.
@ThomasBaxter
Жыл бұрын
Really insightful!
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@nb_nic
Жыл бұрын
it's unfortunate that you used the Burnes case in this since we later found out that the Brewers were disrespecting him lol
@CAINE1984
Жыл бұрын
That was really insightful
@marksweeney4192
Жыл бұрын
Very well explained.
@Artmageddin
Жыл бұрын
It is crazy how a player can have a bad season and still get a 2 million dollar raise.
@danielmallory4687
Жыл бұрын
I think going to trail helps players with later contracts as the trail cost the team a miniscule amount of money but having to deal with that incentives the team to give the player a nicer long term contract to avoid the hassle if trails
@bobbest8627
Жыл бұрын
Nice explanation about today’s economics. I’m old enough to remember when Koufax and Drysdale threaten to sit out for $100,000. Which would’ve translated to just under $1 million in today’s money. My how times have changed… Thanks to Curt flood. And I’m definitely OK with most of it. Except I paid over $40 for a hotdog and a beer.
@lucasleiferman3362
Жыл бұрын
Honestly. The system should be overhauled. It’s pretty obvious that it HEAVILY favors owners. And that is something that should be looked at
@Vegetaa4242
Жыл бұрын
The Brewers are the Bringers of Pain
@417fga
Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation 👏
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@Slevin_Kalevra
Жыл бұрын
Now we all know why players are so angry when they get thrown at. Cant argue performance at arbitration if your're on the IL.
@SuperGalaxy
Жыл бұрын
What an amazing video. W Baseball’s Not Dead moment!
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DrAnarchy69
Жыл бұрын
Before this I knew more about how arbitration was created than how it actually works
@its-dg2987
Жыл бұрын
Why was it created?
@Cainb23
3 ай бұрын
dont really like the locked in aspect so much but arbitration is super interesting ive never seen something like that as a nfl, nba, , mma fan
@Cynthionic
Жыл бұрын
Just the other day I tweeted about how I thought Sotos deal was low not knowing how arbitration works, I thought I was gonna be one of the tweets I had to pause the video
@seen48
Жыл бұрын
Let’s be real here, $500,000 is a LOT of money. Why people think it’s not is crazy to me.
@bigbearkat2010
Жыл бұрын
And from a percentage standpoint some of these gaps are pretty big
@mnm1273
5 ай бұрын
It's not a lot of money for billionaires who give out 100million+ contracts. It's literally a rounding error for those contracts.
@ryanpotts9163
Жыл бұрын
Great breakdown
@thelastmanonearth2631
Жыл бұрын
Dig the new intro, bud!
@migundiii1920
Жыл бұрын
Love the vids bro
@tinokamung846
Жыл бұрын
All those Braves deals are criminal man
@eshep71
Жыл бұрын
naw, he still needs to keep this arb system in tact so that salaries don't get out of hand all over the game. Free Agents require extra money to bring them in, arb players do not...unless you lose the case. It's not being cheap, it's the process and no matter how much money an owner has, they will always try to save some here. (you hit my point as i was typing when you said 'determining the year to year base amounts. not fighting for 850k, but 5.1 million' perfect info. You hit it right on the head!!).
@eshep71
Жыл бұрын
It's why the Jays won't budge with Bo. They stand to save upwards of 10 million dollars if the win this case and every dollar saved is a dollar used VS the cap.
@Chang8e
Жыл бұрын
This is stupid - if you dont wanna pay the player you they should be allowed to go somewhere else
@hassanigourna
Жыл бұрын
The thing you're not mentioning about the Braves is that the vast majority of those extensions bought out pre-arbitration years. Riley is the exception, not the rule. and of course, this whole arbitration situation is ridiculously unfair.
@bigpapisosa7097
Жыл бұрын
Does anyone think the MLB is fair to new players in the league? You have to play for six years before you get what you're worth but at the same time, MLB has some of the richest contracts in all of sports.
@bigbearkat2010
Жыл бұрын
When I read Moneyball, I think there was a point that Billy Beane compared rookie contracts to slave labor. Low value rookie contracts aren't really unique to baseball though.
@mike-0451
Жыл бұрын
The reason they do this is to prevent salaries from steadily rising. It will get out of hand very soon, anyway, and there will be no more superteams. All teams will be equal since nobody can afford more than one all star since literally everyone gets a 15 year 350 million dollar deal.
@EpicVideoMaster11
Жыл бұрын
Baseball's Math
@draneym2003
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how any of this works, but let me get angry and post some uninformed opinion on Twitter. It's the American way.
@PlasticPellets
Жыл бұрын
Jeff McNeil should win his arbitration
@lukesimmons5052
Жыл бұрын
Can I be your friend
@tommybotts
Жыл бұрын
Baseball players and sports networks who report on them are obsessed with OPS this year like never before. I don't even know what it is, but it was never 'thing' until recently. Player averages are the lowest they've ever been, yet nobody seems to care about batting avgs anymore. Gotta get that OPS up as if if really means anything. There are players with 30+ HR and 80 RBI with a .216 BA!! It's crazy. Batters are standing around these days taking call 3rd strikes with runners in scoring position as if taking a walk is more important than getting a hit and driving in runs. I'd be hammering players too if I were an owner.
@mnm1273
5 ай бұрын
It's because the game has evolved. People care about OPS because it's a better measure of good batting. If players are doing something like what you're complaining about consistently it's that the team agrees with and you just don't understand.
@tommybotts
5 ай бұрын
@@mnm1273 Nope! OPS means nothing to me. It's just made up to deflect from a possible lousy batting average. Walks and HBP are on the pitcher, not the hitter. Why should an OPS rise if a batter gets 3 walks and a HBP during a game? That doesn't elevate their value as a hitter. It might help during contract talks, but it's still meaningless. Batting avg is what counts! Slugging percentage is valuable because it is derived from a actual hit, otherwise, no.
@mnm1273
5 ай бұрын
@@tommybotts If a batter consistently gets more walks than other it's because they've got a better mastery of when to swing. It's an undisputable skill. And HBP are often intentional and a reaction to the batter's strength and when unintentional are made more likely by forcing riskier pitches and more pitches. Any "luck" factor will balance out over enough games. OPS measures how good you are at batting in a useful way.
@tommybotts
5 ай бұрын
@@mnm1273 I understand your point, however, walks are on the pitcher, not because the batter possesses a keen eye. If batters were that precise at the plate, why do they consistently take a call strike fastball right down the middle? If they're not looking for that pitch, then for what are they looking? It's quite maddening to watch batters let the 'perfect' pitch go by. A batter who walks a lot but has a low batting avg could possibly have a higher OPS than someone with a higher batting avg who doesn't walk as much. Who do you want at the plate in a clutch situation - high batting avg or low avg with better OPS? I'm going with higher avg.
@mnm1273
5 ай бұрын
@@tommybotts Batters have gotten better at knowing when to swing and when not to. It's a game of psychology and probability. A few decades ago players swung more than they should have, with the expected value of not swinging being higher. Now they don't. This means they get more walks. It's a choice by the batter to play smarter. Getting on base matters more. The teams know it and the players know it. The fact you don't is why you're only watching.
@GeeEm1313
Жыл бұрын
I understand being disgruntled about not getting paid what you think you're worth, but I have no sympathy for when millionaire sports figures cry about it. Some of them come from nothing.
@JonPITBZN
Жыл бұрын
So instead you side with the billionaire money-inheritors that own the teams?
@AndreIguodalaFan55
Жыл бұрын
@@JonPITBZNlol
@NathanReeve
Жыл бұрын
baseball is fucking confusing man lol
@toilet_cleaner_man
Жыл бұрын
Interesting idea, how often does each level of Arb go to Trial? I'd assume Arb 1 since it's the first tier and the level where the snowball can grow the largest, but I'd be interested to see the numbers.
@thecarter8700
Жыл бұрын
I’m a new baseball fan and come from basketball I’m sick of basketball players and side more with owners now But MY GOD … baseball fans are owner first 🤣😭😭
@Zathien
Жыл бұрын
Baseball is more team oriented whereas basketball is more star oriented
@thecarter8700
Жыл бұрын
@@Zathien I agree, Im only saying baseball fans are soooo team first based on my limited time around them
@MrCrs9225
Жыл бұрын
Great video!! Love the analysis
@BaseballsNotDead
Жыл бұрын
Appreciate it!
@snix7613
Жыл бұрын
The audacity of people calling Cohen "cheap" tho lol
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