ill always love the comparison of snorlax essentially being the car engine for EVERY team in this entire game
@dddmemaybe
Жыл бұрын
Maybe that level of consistency, with at least one Pokemon, is actually good for making the game more competitive and less random. I really enjoyed watching the game back when Landorus was a universal flex-pick, running different sets but grounding the game a bit.
@imjustalittleqwerty
Жыл бұрын
A comparison I like more is viewing Snorlax as the Queen from Chess.
@berr21able
Жыл бұрын
Lax is honestly deserving of a remake video; its role in Gen 2 alone could be about as long as the old video in its entirety, and it even won a VGC championship in Sun & Moon.
@Crusina
Жыл бұрын
Sisnt it get a buff in gen 9 or am i crazy
@gregorymirabella1423
Жыл бұрын
@@Crusinait's not in gen 9 yet.
@tktyga77
Жыл бұрын
Would be a great time to give it Slack Off or other recovery move besides Rest (even if a draining move gets taken in)
@bdt2002gaming
Жыл бұрын
@@tktyga77 This would be hilarious but also sad given that this is the one generation where healing moves had their PP lowered to 8
@screwtokaiba
Жыл бұрын
It was banned in Sun and Moon era Smogon Doubles too Its actually crazy how under the radar Lax went that gen despite how insane that gen is to iits competitive career
@ovbrook3057
Жыл бұрын
I've heard lax compared to the queen in chess, and it feels apt. Blatantly stronger than everything around it, but you only get one, and there's a ton of nuance and skill in efficiently piloting it that helps focus the metagame in a healthy way. But even better, unlike a queen that is the same unit every time, you can get very creative with lax sets; two snorlaxes in gsc can share 0 moves while both being the optimal way of anchoring their teams.
@kilojuliet4
Жыл бұрын
Yeah you can run a ton of different snorlax sets and all of them have different checks and team strategies. If you don't know what the opponent's snorlax is, you cant switch ANYTHING into it safely, especially not your own snorlax, but once you've caught on to the set there's a number of different ways to respond to each. Not even niche picks, either - if youve got a consistent team you probably have the tools to play around it already in your team naturally, and you just have to figure out how to get them in. There's a ton of mindgames around guessing sets, too, cuz no team preview. You have to deduce their sets based on the teammates and moves they reveal, and they could always be bluffing one set just to explode on you.
@mitchlmitten5874
Жыл бұрын
I always liked Big Yellows analogy to the Medic from Team Fortress 2: he's overpowered and every team has to have one, but there's enough variety in how you can play him that it doesnt constrict the Meta. If you took him out, the game just wouldn't be as fun.
@brunop.8745
Жыл бұрын
As a Medic player myself, I wholeheartedly agree
@FlamingZelda3
Жыл бұрын
right, I'm very thankful medic is the strongest class, because it's a class which still needs someone else to come and actually secure the kills for them & they don't wall out the opponent. Now if sniper or demoman were the strongest class.... let's just say the game might not be as popular. In smash bros melee we like that Fox is the strongest character. He can push others around but he also gets combod easily and allows other characters to show of their abilities. He doesn't shut things down.
@eyecontrol4900
Жыл бұрын
actually Sniper is the most overpowered class in tf2, and is borderline broken.
@user-lq4ct6dr5m
Жыл бұрын
@@eyecontrol4900The bow variant
@victory8928
Жыл бұрын
@@eyecontrol4900he is also the one Valve confirmed would be removed if they had to remove a class in TF 2 so yeah busted
@honjon666
Жыл бұрын
Bringing this history to the modern audience is a beautiful thing. This includes oldheads like me who had no idea competitive pokemon existed when I was a kid.
@JamienautMark2
Жыл бұрын
From like 5-7 years old (Gen 2) I thought I was the only person on the planet that knew about Pokémon. Imagine my surprise.
@12jswilson
Жыл бұрын
Also probably why someone like me dislikes the current tiering philosophy of "just ban everything that threatens balance." I believe in trying to punish every kill an opponent takes rather than just trying to never let anything faint. Knowing when and where to take KOs and allow them seems just at least as skillfull as having a bunch of balance backbones stare at each other all game long until someone finally makes a blunder out of boredom
@marcoasturias8520
Жыл бұрын
All of this is relatively recent. Competitive in cartridge back in the day wasn't nearly as refined.
@michelecozzarin
Жыл бұрын
Basically: If they ban Snorlax, Zapdos becomes broken. If they ban Zapdos, water types have no counters. If they ban water types such as Cloyster, Suicune and Starmie, ground types would dominate. It’s a domino effect that worsens the overall gaming experience. Hence, keep Snorlax in OU
@CheckUnderYou
Жыл бұрын
This.
@Wandermidget
Жыл бұрын
It has nothing to do with balance or domino effects. The people who play Gen 2 simply don't want to play an OU meta without Snorlax. Legacy formats are the most restrictive to change because people want it to reflect a point in history. Pokemon in later generations have gotten banned for WAY less than the egregious bullshit Snorlax pulls in Gen 2.
@Brown95P
Жыл бұрын
What about Raikou and Jolteon? Sure, they're weak to ground, but l don't remember water types having much of any ground-type coverage in GSC.
@TheR0b1991
Жыл бұрын
The main difference is zapdos is immune to spikes, drill peck plus hidden power also gives it way more coverage than other electric types.@@Brown95P
@dbf_exe
Жыл бұрын
@@Wandermidget The difference here is that Snorlax isn't egregiously unfun to play against like a lot of later-gen cases end up being, and Snorlax-less GSC tournament feedback suggests the tier is more fun with Snorlax than without it.
@krosshair450
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax is the glue that holds OU together lol
@88porpoise
Жыл бұрын
I think the key is to remember why tiering exists. It isn't so that no pokemon is overpowered or isn't used too much or anything else like thay. Tiering (and the various clauses) exists so that people have fun playing the game. Usually that coincides with removing the "have to have on your team" level pokemon, but in the much smaller pools of Gen I and II, that may not be the case.
@3eve0n
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, imagine if gen 1's big three were banned from OU. I'm very doubtful that would be a better metagame.
@Skullhawk13
Жыл бұрын
That’s perfectly fine too. Smogon having its own vote-based house rules is a positive thing. It only becomes a problem when they enforce it on others.
@kilojuliet4
Жыл бұрын
I think it's important to note WHY the "have to have it on your team" thing is boring - because you dont want your meta game to always be the same 6-8 pokemon doing exactly the same thing all the time. Snorlax is SUPER versatile in this meta. Theres a minimum of 5 different sets this thing runs on smogon, with an addendum about how while those 5 are probably the best there's situations where you might build somethimg completely different and be successful with it based on what the team you want to use is. The wild thing is that each of those sets plays completely differently, requiring and enabling different teammates and forcing different kinds of counterplay. Sometimes you want to get snorlax in and keep it in, sometimes you want to switch in and out through a battle to meet certain threats for your sweepers, sometimes you want to keep him secret and safe while you blow away his checks so he can fuckin belly-drum sweep. You could almost count "snorlax" as like 3 or 4 different pokemon for the purposes of how it interacts with the metagame, which is very different from a zacian that just swaps in and hits one move 6 times to win the game (hyperbolic I know).
@primrosevale1995
Жыл бұрын
So the cover legendaries are Snorlax without staying power and Celebi is Snorlax without immediate damage.
@fartlord111
Жыл бұрын
Everythings a snorlax
@VenoMantis
Жыл бұрын
Ledian is kind of like a Snorlax without anything
@dasamont8274
Жыл бұрын
So the Snorlax-theory is a Dig-theory about pokemon rather than moves.
@honjon666
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax love, snorlax life
@joshuaharmon6684
Жыл бұрын
Its weird seeing a Tyranitar on Stadium that knows a rock attack other than Sandstorm
@funkymachine
Жыл бұрын
I love these more casual shorter bkc videos, I would love more of these
@se44th
Жыл бұрын
bkc with a little bit more structure and friends to keep him somewhat on topic is a great combination
@funkymachine
Жыл бұрын
bkc without the unmedicated adhd isn't real bkc /j@@se44th
@IndexInvestingWithCole
Жыл бұрын
Really, I think these videos are horrible
@funkymachine
Жыл бұрын
This channel is to give you the simplest yet most powerful way to grow your wealth. You can outperform almost every single investor in the world without picking any stocks or having to watch the stock market all day. Just focus on your life while your money works for you. Index investing has done to investing, what sliced bread has done to bread. And I rarely see people using unsliced bread!@@IndexInvestingWithCole
@IschmarVI
Жыл бұрын
BKC shorts
@hollowlunerfang
Жыл бұрын
I'm loving the BKC rant + Kellen combo, It's a lot of fun
@ImportAustralia
Жыл бұрын
I like explanations like these a lot better than “the pros dont wanna do it because its weird and uncomfy lol”
@sonic5993
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the GSC OU mindset was still around today, so many busted mons would be running rampant.
@DarkAuraLord
Жыл бұрын
even without they still are lmfao.
@silvergalaxia8538
Жыл бұрын
Free my man chien-pao 📣📣📣
@coot33
11 ай бұрын
I mean there so much bans now you can make a ou+ tier under uber. The mentality is so different. It lacks purity.
@ethandaniel7929
Жыл бұрын
The fact that Snorlax absolutely throttled the gsc OU tier just by doing what did it did best, will never stop amusing me.
@jupardo7367
Жыл бұрын
WHY SO MANY VIDS IN A ROW? I LOVE IT
@solidifiedwatergatherer
Жыл бұрын
I think whatever gets banned or not in a competitive game is really up to whether or not the players find that threat fun to deal with or not. If the majority of gen 2 players don't want lax banned I don't think anyone else should throw their 2 cents into it
@WildCharger
Жыл бұрын
Debates and conflicting viewpoints are important for growth. It's the reason why a gen's meta can change many years after the gen becomes legacy. So to say that the minority shouldn't be able to input their two cents is not really the way to go; it only becomes a problem if someone starts being a jerk about it.
@solidifiedwatergatherer
Жыл бұрын
@@WildCharger What I mean is that people who don't play the game shouldn't throw in their 2 cents. Should've worded it better my bad.
@marcoasturias8520
Жыл бұрын
Mostly because nowadays it feels like we get a new water type nuke every week
@ultimapower6950
Жыл бұрын
@@marcoasturias8520 well we could just nerf the water type itself
@toujounozomi3126
Жыл бұрын
See: the reason why Imposter remains unbanned in competitive hacked Pokemon. (While ironically, Transform in move form is banned, due to it primarily being used for degenerate strategies like anchor shot+imprison+transform) In fact it plays a similar role: versatile (in the sense of how it plays after transforming, even if its pre-transform movepool doesn't see much use), exists to prevent overcentralization, and adds healthy variety. Most other formats don't worry about Dittos as much, but here "countering your own sets" is practically mandatory and spawned several sets designed to counter a transformed version of itself. (unburden, judgement/multi-attack and the niche techno blast...)
@skyfoil
Жыл бұрын
In short, Snorlax checks EVERYTHING, but (almost) everything can check it with the right set. It's the glue holding the entire metagame together.
@dirkechoes1377
Жыл бұрын
Honestly this is a really fresh take. I'll take Lax+5 over stall wars anyday
@IschmarVI
Жыл бұрын
especially considering that even offense vs. offense can result in relatively long games sometimes in gsc because everything is so bulky. Stall vs. Stall is a nightmare.
@tktyga77
Жыл бұрын
I guess it's safe to say that Snorlax is to GSC akin to what Tauros is to RGBY in terms of how much it defines the generational metagame
@wigglytuffenjoyer
Жыл бұрын
I love these types of videos! These are so entertaining! I bet it’s also easy to just focus on one generation specifically instead of a marathon through the generations I’ll suggest it again, I’d love to see an analysis on how Clefable went from unviable to obnoxious in gen 4 OU
@kingarthur3236
Жыл бұрын
2 words, Magic Guard. (Knock off helped too) Clefable with Magic Guard is definetely viable in Gen 3 imo, imunity to passive damage is insane.
@wigglytuffenjoyer
Жыл бұрын
@@kingarthur3236it doesn’t have magic guard in Gen 3, that wasn’t until Gen 4
@kingarthur3236
Жыл бұрын
@@wigglytuffenjoyer You asked why Clefable was viable in gen 4 I answered with magic guard, as it's what makes Clefable good I then finish my statement by arguing that Clefable with magic guard would also be viable in gen 3, thus it is the main difference that makes it viable in gen 4
@thatssodeclan
Жыл бұрын
And then you have ariados that somehow had the smallest niche in Ubers in gen 4
@grunkleg.3110
Жыл бұрын
Nahh, it's still very very bad
@thatssodeclan
Жыл бұрын
@@grunkleg.3110 that’s why it’s surprising it had even a minuscule niche
@grunkleg.3110
Жыл бұрын
@@thatssodeclan No like the notion it even has a niche at all isn't true
@thatssodeclan
Жыл бұрын
@@grunkleg.3110 as I quote from a false swipe gaming video, “ariados made sure deoxys speed was limited to only one layer of spikes with moves like bug bite or shadow sneak while still maintaining its focus sash” So yeah, the fact that it could counter the best lead in the game decently enough it had a niche Edit: oh yeah and toxic spikes too
@codacheetah
Жыл бұрын
@@thatssodeclanIt has one singular purpose that it's sometimes good at, but I wouldn't even feel generous enough to call it a niche because Ariados is absolutely irredeemable if the stars don't align for it to fill its purpose. Like if you're absolutely terrified of Deoxys-S you MIGHT consider running Ariados, but it's still 1000x times better to just run a slightly worse counter that doesn't get ground into dust by every other Pokémon in the tier
@ZorotheGallade
Жыл бұрын
Ho-oh and Lugia really show how bulk and longevity aren't necessarily tied together. You can have huge defensive stats, good typing and Leftovers, but they won't amount to much if your ability to stay in and attack is limited by low maximum PP.
@MidWestWolf1985
Жыл бұрын
Its hard to describe to new players just how intrinsic snorlax is to gsc ou. Its almost taken for granted that it will be on every team, just like we take the sun rising every day for granted. It gets to a point where if someone DOESNT run snorlax on a gen 2 ou team you have a visceral reaction like “oh my god are you okay?? Do you need someone to talk to?”
@eljuan3922
Жыл бұрын
Gen 2 snorlax is like a queen in Chess
@arthurfilion5992
Жыл бұрын
Without a doubt the best piece on the board but once it’s taken out it’s difficult to win without one? Yeah that sounds like GSC Snorlax alright.
@noukan42
Жыл бұрын
Chess doesn't allow you to pick pieces tho. Comparing a game with building to a gane whitout it makes little sense. If chess allowed to make boards the queen would probably be a big problem.
@gameking647
Жыл бұрын
I'm loving the bkc shorts
@honjon666
Жыл бұрын
They're comfy and easy to wear!
@wish_cave
Жыл бұрын
2:28 choice band roar charizard LMFAO
@siddhartacrowley8759
Жыл бұрын
Gyarados moveset is also sus 💀
@joshuawilliams4741
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax: *I sleep* Everyone else: “THAT’S WHY HE’S THE GOAT!!! THE GOAT!!!”
@goragarx
Жыл бұрын
I think GSC would be more drastically changed by a Leftovers ban than a Snorlax ban.
@avenger4027
9 ай бұрын
It would be pretty much a no-items meta, lol. Unless it's Thick Club Marowak.
@Drakorre
Жыл бұрын
I love how overpowered Snorlax was. A fat lazy cat bear being so good is awesome
@jaleelhull941
Жыл бұрын
A fat lazy bear is still a bear
@ChrisPTY507
Жыл бұрын
It is a bear, not a "cat bear"
@bryanc1772
Жыл бұрын
@@ChrisPTY507hi Chris :)
@ChrisPTY507
Жыл бұрын
@@bryanc1772 Hey Bryan! How are you doing?
@Stroggoii
Жыл бұрын
GSC is a perfect example of why you should never sacrifice quality at the altar of diversity. Lax+5 is arguably the most complex and interesting meta in the entire history of competitive Pokemon. The people bored of it would just get bored of any other team configuration because they don't actually like the core game play of GSC. And to appease them for a couple months before they quit and go do something else you need to destroy an institution of competitive Pokemon? I'm glad the old guard didn't listen.
@corvidae28321
8 ай бұрын
I mean gsc is one of the least played formats on all of showdown, so I guess they did all just leave
@calebmon
8 ай бұрын
I honestly think it would be fascinating to approach gen 2 with a modern smogon mindset of, basically ban everything OP, maybe the meta would be more fast paced without Lax and some other broken mons as well as move bans, like a ban on Rest or a ban on hidden power, or item bans like a ban on leftovers etc. Basically get creative with what can be possible with smogon bans
@steelballrunner636
Жыл бұрын
I love listening to BKC gen 2 rants. It's like listening to your grandpa talk about what it was like in his day.
@tomaseredia8046
Жыл бұрын
You guys should do a weekly Pokémon podcast, I’d listen to that all day!
@Matpit18
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax is the only thing holding competitive GSC in place
@supermudkipz
Жыл бұрын
I like how Big Yellow compared Snorlax in Gen 2 to the Medic in TF2, yeah sure they’re probably overpowered, but would the game be better off without them? No, not even a little bit
@borby4584
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax is the keystone to the meta. No Snorlax and it falls apart
@PabloGarcia-gw1np
Жыл бұрын
Im really living this style 😊 Love having the bkc streams of consciousness in a shorter format with some edited visual elements
@Falzyker
Жыл бұрын
So it all comes to Snorlax is the Pillar that holds the meta together.
@SaberToothPortilla
Жыл бұрын
In games that have a team structure, i.e. Pokémon, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with having an "instant add" like Snorlax as long as the whole team doesn't become "instant add" or it overly centralizes a specific play pattern. And I guess it'd be pretty easy to make the opposite argument, but I think that "always Snorlax" is much less bad (if it's bad at all) than "always sand" or "always offense" or "always stall", specifically because Snorlax is only one piece.
@emmetstanevich2121
Жыл бұрын
I feel like snorlax's dominance is also somewhat due to a lack of competition. In a meta like GSC OU, you need a special wall, and snorlax is pretty much the only good one that doesn't require you to slam the breaks in order to use it (like blissey.)
@kindlady2297
Жыл бұрын
BKC tangents so crazy i forgot kellen was there and got scared when he finally got a word in after like 5 minutes
@solstia458
Жыл бұрын
Love this style of video a lot, feels personal
@CollieDaze
Жыл бұрын
I went in expecting a classic FSG discussion vid but got a BKC rant 💀
@brandonbaxley25
Жыл бұрын
I love these random topic videos. Keep them up.
@SnarkyRogue
Жыл бұрын
Man the tonal shift/energy drop from these vids vs the How Good Was videos is SUPER jarring
@eruptionsvods
Жыл бұрын
Gonna be honest i love these vids just to listen to yall talk, if yall make longer vids im here
@grantdaily9662
Жыл бұрын
The GSC OU tier would probably fall to pieces if Snorlax was banished to Ubers
@Captaintrippz
Жыл бұрын
Start with one ban, then you gotta keep banning everything lax kept in check.
@MrZahsome
Жыл бұрын
Zapdos and Raikou would become the new Snorlax.
@grantdaily9662
Жыл бұрын
@@MrZahsome not really, they'd crumble to the Offensive teams they'd have to deal with in the wake of a Snorlax ban. Like they're bulky, but just not bulky enough to give the GSC OU a pretty balanced mesh of Offence/Defence
@Maaarrrrk
8 ай бұрын
@@grantdaily9662Nah Zap and Raikou always will be tanks but that's when Water types are getting buffed at the same time as Ground types
@do-nothingbear9474
Жыл бұрын
Big yellow I think had the pest comparison for those who play tf2. Medic is by far the best class in the game. A team with a good medic wins like 99% of the time against a team without one. But if you remove medic, you lose out on the fast paced firefights that the game is designed around. Defense would have very little counter play and everyone would be forced to camp medpacks and dispensers.
@sparktaylor8489
Жыл бұрын
I hope gen 10 gives Snorlax a big buff
@davidunderwood1773
Жыл бұрын
It NEEDS Slack Off
@mandalorianhunter1
Жыл бұрын
We don't even know what it's move set looks like for gen 9
@warburner87
Жыл бұрын
if zacian is allowed to have howl as a switch in ability, i think snorlax should get an ability that has it use curse on switch in. curse and snorlax is like peanut butter and jelly, they just go together. also give it slack off lol
@590488
Жыл бұрын
@warburner87 that's the most broken thing I've ever heard of
@Reliztik82
Жыл бұрын
@@590488yeah no, 165 base atk and 87.5 base def and a speed stat that is even lower than Torkoal? That would be BUSTED in VGC.
@AnimeGames16
Жыл бұрын
Here’s an idea for a series: a comprehensive history for every metagame and how they evolved over the years. One video for each metagame of course.
@mikael.00
Жыл бұрын
it would be cool to see a video that talks about the best pokémon in each OU of every gen
@silvergalaxia8538
Жыл бұрын
The first 4 gens have a definitive number 1 but after that it gets more messy. Like you could argue that any of dragapult, lando-t, weavile, or melmetal are the best in gen 8 for example.
@Tvboy777
Жыл бұрын
For those wondering, it's: Gen 1 - Tauros Gen 2 - Snorlax Gen 3 - Tyranitar Gen 4 - Garchomp
@ramseslopez9521
Жыл бұрын
@@Tvboy777 gen 4 is rachi
@TheMegaMagikarp
Жыл бұрын
There's one thing not mentioned here - precedent. There's an old Magic: The Gathering format called Legacy, basically all the oldest cards are allowed in the game and there's a lot that's in that format that's powerful, and while a lot of people argue the card Brainstorm being banned would make the format a lot better, there's, if nothing else, an iconicness to Brainstorm in Legacy that is part of why it doesn't get banned.
@lloydbagby8355
Жыл бұрын
Yugioh has this in goat with pot charity duo yes you need to play them but in a slow format most time there not that over powered especially charity with out much graveyard stuff
@BrooksMWhalen
Жыл бұрын
I'm so happy you two are doing these videos together. I alternate between y'all's content constantly
@ashharkausar413
Жыл бұрын
Gen 2 is a beautiful era. Searching for the needle in the haystack to beat your opponent. Games were slow like classical chess.
@IschmarVI
Жыл бұрын
they were slow but not passive. Definitely a fascinating meta, indeed.
@1st_treekuworshipper
Жыл бұрын
Cause hes just that thick they can't move him out of ou
@kaja3932
Жыл бұрын
I haven't played any Gen 2, but I have learned of GSC OU's Snorlax dynamics through this channel, Big Yellow, and various Smogon Posts. That being said, some of this may be misinformation: I feel like another important part of why Snorlax isn't banned is that it can do everything, but NOT all at once. It has no counters when the opponent doesn't know its set, but once they do, it's not too unreasonable to exploit the Snorlax. On paper, it's an obscenely strong, all-powerful juggernaut reminiscent of Gen 1 Mewtwo, but thanks to four move slot syndrome, in practice it ends up being more like bringing a custom pokemon to the battle.
@watery2211
Жыл бұрын
The only counterpoint I have is that this is kind of a dumb argument by itself. Every pokemon has a counter, every strategy has a counter if specific enough, yet we don't not ban stuff because it has counters. Also same thing could be said about gen 1 mewtwo. It has 4 moveslot syndrome and can't beat everything in the tier with 4 move slots, and if you know the move set, it could be exploited. (ofc I'm not saying GSC lax=Gen 1 mewtwo, when the whole tier is about beating you, you aren't that broken).
@Skylark0000
Жыл бұрын
Petition to name these BKC Bits considering they’re shorts by his standard.
@feartheoldblood7222
Жыл бұрын
I don't know why FSG is in my feed almost everyday now but I don't want it to change.
@Sleepingfishie
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax is really the keystone holding OU together
@Ob1tuber
Жыл бұрын
Normal FSG videos: really good art for thumbnail that looks hand drawn This one: - _____ -
@asuuki2048
Жыл бұрын
3:31 I absolutely love it. People not screaming to ban a Pokémon when they lose to it once. Hence why I sometimes play on my Switch. I love beating a boxart with a favorite of mine via skill. Not that I’m very skilled, but I do love to overcome it. There are exceptions to all of this, such as with certain objectively overpowered legendaries, but I still love the mentality those people had before the normies joined in lol
@earlsaverson5387
Жыл бұрын
This thumbnail has got to be the best Snorlax face. *chef's kiss*
@armorbearer9702
Жыл бұрын
I get it. When you take away a Pokémon from a tier, the Pokémon it checks run rampant.
@lordinfernape4753
Жыл бұрын
I still would like to see what GSC metagames would look like with modern tiering systems, not because I think they would be better, its just for the sake of pure curiosity. Aight, Snorlax would get banned and Zapdos too, whats next? I wanna know, Its like on of those 10 things you have to see before you die (not literally but its a way to phrase or describe it lets say) We already have RBY tradebacks, why cant we have a "modern tiering" GSC? It would be a cool experiment
@emmetstanevich2121
Жыл бұрын
A lot of special attackers would probably need to get banned if you don't want the tier to shift to hard stall. The thing about snorlax's usage rate isn't just due to it being so much better than its competition, but rather, that there isn't much competition in the first place as a special wall. Raikou is weak to EQ and is itself a special attacker, blissey is... well, blissey, and there don't seem to be many other candidates able to step up to the task. Snorlax is unique in that it's a special wall that also takes physical attacks well, while also not requiring you to slam the breaks in order to use it. In fact, its sheer versatility gives its status as a "meta check" more weight, since every team can run snorlax, which is arguably more "fair" than a pokemon that only a select few team archetypes can make use of.
@lordinfernape4753
Жыл бұрын
@@emmetstanevich2121 Hard stall isnt bad I mean the only purpose of tiering is making the metagame balanced, if the metagame is balanced it doesnt matter if its pure stall or pure offense, what matters is that everything is reasonable to answer thats it
@MisterJackTheAttack
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax or stall hell? Interesting take.
@theannilators7479
Жыл бұрын
It’s almost like Mandibuzz in Gen 8 pre dlc, it’s just desperately holding everything together
@meiyagii
Жыл бұрын
Really liking these daily videos. The conversational sort of structure and vibe is really good. Gives me the same vibe as like, a podcast. Easy listening. Looking forward to future installments!
@ultrajoey3478
Жыл бұрын
Glad it finally uploaded right! KZitem is a pain when it comes to setting up a video
@archlorddestin
Жыл бұрын
So what made Snorlax go from pretty good in RBY to the best pokemon in GSC?
@geenkaas6380
Жыл бұрын
The introduction of special defence
@LunarWingCloud
Жыл бұрын
@shorelinefishing9213EVs were the same in Gen 1 and 2. You can still max all stats.
@sheeplol2161
Жыл бұрын
theres also the fact that the other 2 top mons got nerfed
@mastanvx
Жыл бұрын
Sleep Talk and Curse. Gen 2 didn't have EVs, but rather Stat Experience, and you could max out the Stat Exp of every stat. Its why Gen 2 as a whole was a very bulky meta game, everything ran max defenses and HP unless they needed a specific Hidden Power Type
@LunarWingCloud
Жыл бұрын
Special stat split granting Snorlax 110 base Special Defense, Curse being really good in a slower game due to all stats being maxed still in Gen 2 like in Gen 1, lack of good Fighting types that could counter it.
@emmetstanevich2121
Жыл бұрын
The way gen 2 snorlax is described, it sort of reminds me of a "hero" unit in an RTS. While it is powerful, adaptable and generally "better" than any other single pokemon in the meta, it isn't iron-clad, and other pokemon can potentially answer it even better than snorlax itself can, once its set has been revealed. In addition, snorlax's uniqueness and flexibility winds up organically creating an environment similar to VGC's restricted seasons, where players are allowed to bring a limited number of "restricted" pokemon, with the main difference being that the limit is 1, and all the options for that one slot have the same type and base stats. The fact that it's so flexible, and is usable on any team, also means that it is, in a way, fairer than a meta where there are dozens of powerful, but more restrictive pokemon running around, since no matter what playstyle you want to play, and no matter what pokemon you want to bring, you can *always* bring snorlax, it will *always* make your team better, and you will *never* be in a position where you're forced to go without snorlax because you just can't fit it on the team. Another point in Snorlax's favor is the fact that it also helps its team defensively. Most "broken" pokemon tend to be banned due to their offensive potential, and either don't have much bulk, or their bulk mainly acts to foil attempts to prevent their sweep (think yache berry garchomp in gen 4, for example.) In addition to being able to wall many special attacks without needing to give up momentum, snorlax's inability to immediately threaten itself without selfdestruct means that your own snorlax can help you play around an opposing snorlax. Even if your 'lax can't beat theirs in a 1v1, the moves you see them use can help deduce what sets they might be running, and which of your own pokemon can best handle it. Finally, there's also the fact that snorlax is, well, really slow. It can usually take whatever it's hit with and respond in kind, but the fact that the opponent will almost always be moving first means that snorlax will have to play carefully when it gets low on health, as a 'lax in KO range can't get itself out of KO range before getting hit. Additionally, an opponent at low health will usually be able to use rest or recover before snorlax can hit them.
@emmetstanevich2121
Жыл бұрын
Also, I feel like people who want snorlax or lando-t banned due to how common they are forget what "OU" stands for in the first place: overused. It's explicitly meant to be the ceiling for usage-based tiering.
@bkebradley
Жыл бұрын
I love hearing BKC talk to someone and not just lecture solo like he does on his own channel
@Epzilon12
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax feels like the Queen in chess to me in a lot of ways. It’s very strong, does almost anything a piece can do , but everyone knows it’s there so you need to protect it so it can take the opportunities to do it’s job.
@IschmarVI
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax seems to be a bit more affordable than the queen though as evidenced by it having made great use of selfdestruct on certain sets. But I do like the analogy for sure. A term for the phenomenon that I really like is "suffering from success".
@Epzilon12
Жыл бұрын
That's true. I do imagine there are times in good chess matches where sacrificing the queen is necessary (i'm not great at chess no bully). Yeah, Snorlax really does suffer from its own success for sure. @@IschmarVI
@Adskie
Жыл бұрын
Love these casual discussion videos along with the deep dives. Great works
@funkymachine
Жыл бұрын
I always loved to simplify it as "like a queen in chess"
@mr.gamertristan5463
Жыл бұрын
Totally loving this new series! Hopefully it'll be able to stay a daily series!
@seanmcbride1182
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax gen 1 be like just chillin to gen to evolvin to: Biggie Snores 😂😅
@zachpro5475
Жыл бұрын
Fsg uploading daily videos
@robertmcdonough2990
Жыл бұрын
Celebi would be really hard to kill in OU. There are so many contengency plans in place for Snorlax, but Celebi could just do wonders. Not saying celebi is better, just my thoughts on why he cant get out of Ubers.
@1314Bn
Жыл бұрын
Come on we need this VIDEO!: HOW HELD ITEMS ARE CLOSE TO EVERYTHING, the leftovers theorem!!
@JustSimplyBrandon
Жыл бұрын
I’m still waiting for Why Priority Is Everything - The Ratata Theorem
@juany8757
Жыл бұрын
Hello this is an idea: the toxapex thoerem, explaining how toxapex isnt so good in doubles but it is good in singles
@mirchiamemeina1524
Жыл бұрын
I love these short discussions so much! All these things a casual observer of competitive simply wouldn’t know about.
@xcheesyxbaconx
Жыл бұрын
Those Pokemon netbattle clips really bring me back
@Silvalfo
Жыл бұрын
the netbattle recordings took me back, oh my god
@user-ms3po9on7v
Жыл бұрын
投稿ありがとうございます。次はノココッチ系統やガチグマ系統楽しみです。
@bdellovibrioo5242
Жыл бұрын
Balance is a consideration in game/format design, but it isn't the *only* consideration. You could imagine a more balanced version of GSC that is a lot less fun, such as the extremely defensive format that would result from Snorlax being banned.
@kinofire2158
Жыл бұрын
Hey false swipe please do xerneas that would be pretty sweet tbf
@mandalorianhunter1
Жыл бұрын
That's going to be a while and even the Patreon can't vote for it, so it's VGC presence is large
@shadowbonbon3
Жыл бұрын
@@mandalorianhunter1why can’t they vote for it?
@mandalorianhunter1
Жыл бұрын
@@shadowbonbon3 I said VGC presence is felt When mons have a impact on the meta, Especially VGC, that's a lot of research. That's why the Landorous video was so long because of doubles.
@Ronald_Ruck
Жыл бұрын
3:19 Oh my god, I remember that simulator! Back in around 2002 that is were I gathered my first experience with competitive Pokémon! Well, the very first was actually with mIRC, but that was all text and therefore a bit more complicated. Anyways, thanks for the memories!
@James-yk5ge
Жыл бұрын
saw this thumbnail and thought, this is DEFINITELY a BKC script, and look who it is!!
@obrotherwhereartliam
Жыл бұрын
“They didn’t feel like tiering stuff because they would just rather deal with it”. -said no smogon player ever
@CaptainJLinebeck
Жыл бұрын
Imagine toiling for years to create the Strongest Pokemon, only for all of your hard work to be outclassed by one of the laziest beings in existence.
@terminusest9179
11 ай бұрын
Snorlax is so strong, you can't even ban it.
@Rumcake256
Жыл бұрын
Whoa that was super cool. I loved this
@RisingJericho
Жыл бұрын
I like to imagine this was all one big Discord call where BKC was talking to Kellen for hours about random formats
@Madx2326
Жыл бұрын
Honestly this video was amazing
@dillconley112
Жыл бұрын
Im surprised we can contain a video of BKC talking to under an hour
@ChibiRuah
Жыл бұрын
I think the short answer is, its been this way so long and such a shake up risk losing the people playing it. The risk of losing older players is too high and getting more newer players from it is "unlikely" to say the least. So you please you older fans and take what is stable over a risk that is probably not going to pay off.
@bryanc1772
8 ай бұрын
The answer too is that Snorlax holds the tier together Without lax many more special attackers would be wild especially Raikou and Zapdos . Those two alone would wrap the entire metagame around them
@ShinMario098
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure this is still early days and will be improved, but so far these daily videos could be better. The lack of script doesn't help, feels very jarring compared to the rest of FSG's videos. Also, whilst I'd say BKC is fine, Kellen sounds completely uninterested and his only input is to repeat what BKC says.
@originalJoeKing
Жыл бұрын
Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim, or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪
@TristanPlaysPKMN
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax, My boy
@M3G4T3RR4
Жыл бұрын
Snorlax isn’t just a Pokémon you run who smashes up everything it comes across, like a Pokémon who does one thing that happens to be overpowered. Snorlax has no counters until you know what set it’s running, then counters open up. It’s balanced in that way. You only get one Snorlax, and every different Snorlax set might as well be a different Pokémon that you can only choose one of because they’re all Snorlax.
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