Even as a kid it felt wrong, the enemies weren’t droids like always but people and that one scene were the Umbaran couldn’t breath and that clone just executed him in coldblood felt like something the empire would do and not the republic
@sovietunion7643
2 жыл бұрын
if i remember there was another video from geetsly's showing how the empire later in the clone wars was practically the empire
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the arc was very much like the empire and less like the republic.
@marcusanark2541
2 жыл бұрын
I felt the same way, killing local militias defending their home didn't sit right at all with me.
@edkwon
2 жыл бұрын
It means the show runners did a good job telling the story of you were able to grasp the truth of that arc even as a kid
@zexalbrony4799
2 жыл бұрын
I pretty much had the exact opposite reaction, since the Clone who did it was Fives and that Umbaran had just tried to kill him, so my reaction was: YES! That's what you get for trying to kill Fives, you piece of Sith.
@piercepayumo4212
2 жыл бұрын
Umbarans were simply fighting to protect their Homeland. They didn't ally with the separatists at first, but joined them eventually out of desperation.
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly right
@vikingsword3485
2 жыл бұрын
Yea hate to see it. They didn't really have any good options
@isaiahvaldez3330
2 жыл бұрын
They are traitors and they are grey bastards
@vikingsword3485
2 жыл бұрын
@@isaiahvaldez3330 people do not exist to serve the gov. The gov exist to serve the people. Once the gov fails and lose the support of the people then it's destruction is inevitably
@isaiahvaldez3330
2 жыл бұрын
@@vikingsword3485 I know, I just don't like Umbarans
@isaacpadilla640
2 жыл бұрын
Maturing is realizing that many planets that left the Republic were actually in the right. Especially Umbara. However, I know for a fact this was all plan out by Palpatine.
@matthewhowie1220
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly most of the planets that either left or attempted to like Onderon, and Rodia, were oppressed by the trade federation shortly after they joined.
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewhowie1220 Yep, it was a lose-lose situation, perpetrated intentionally by Palpatine and Dooku.
@redeye4516
2 жыл бұрын
It does sort of show that the Republic had been getting progressively more corrupt even before Palpatine became Chancellor. All Palps actually did was pull the right strings that were left on his lap, the prior administrations and the senate did all the work for him practically. Kinda want to see an AU where a Sith Lord doesn't become Chancellor and a civil war breaks out anyways.
@issy7465
2 жыл бұрын
They sort of looked at this in The Bad Batch.
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
@@redeye4516 Even so, it likely would have been far less bloody. Without Sith Lords on both sides of the conflict purposely escalating and making things worse, diplomatic solutions would have been far more viable.
@Tinkering4Time
2 жыл бұрын
I just remembered that the Umbarans, like the Kaminoans, could see in UV. This means they could see things on clone armor that clones themselves, and the viewers, could not. For all we know the clones’ attempts at stealth were like watching a group in day-glo hi-vis outfits trying to blend in to the undergrowth.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
2 жыл бұрын
Pfffft!! Thats just made me imagine the most hilarious cut away to umbrarans POV.
@redeye4516
2 жыл бұрын
Clones with camouflage paint hiding in the bushes: "you think his mate saw me?" The Umbaran sniper that can see UV light: "yes, yes he did"
@jhs2110
2 жыл бұрын
The clones were probably better camouflaged against the Umbarans because of that fact
@ethrsag735
2 жыл бұрын
Umbara: We're sick of your political bullshit and be independent!! Galactic Republic: *Sees how close Umbara is to their supply lines* Shame
@princeofpokemon2934
2 жыл бұрын
This was one of the bloodiest battles throughout the entire war. The Clone army faced off against a species with technology that no one has ever seen before. Heavy casualties were inflicted on both sides, But I'd say the Republic got hit the hardest seeing as this technology killed so many clones and they didn't know how to effectively fight back.
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it got to the point where the clones even used the enemy's technology against them. So I think the clones definitely took the bigger hit as well.
@princeofpokemon2934
2 жыл бұрын
@@geetslys I'm glad you agree. And learning more about this battle and the reason behind it just opened my eyes a lot wider. I knew the Republic was corrupt but I didn't think it was this severe. But it goes without saying that even the most pure and benevolent governments can be susceptible to corruption. All it takes is one or more individuals with the silver tongue and then some.
@michaelandreipalon359
2 жыл бұрын
Ah, yes, stealing far superior enemy tech... as a C&C gamer, I can relate. Using those Rhinos and Banshees against those Commies and Nod cultists is always cathartic, I say.
@coldsobanoodle7407
2 жыл бұрын
General Krell ordering clones to kill other clones as well
@princeofpokemon2934
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelandreipalon359 You play command and conquer? I didn't think anyone played it anymore.
@spinejackel
2 жыл бұрын
umbara arc is a good case of “hans, are we the baddies?”
@weldonwin
2 жыл бұрын
"Our helmets look like skulls!"
@redeye4516
2 жыл бұрын
I want a Spec Ops: The Line style Star Wars game set during the Battle of Umbara now. Could have been a DLC for the Battlefront II remake if EA didn't abandon it.
@spacemarine4236
2 жыл бұрын
Nein.
@ls200076
2 жыл бұрын
@@spacemarine4236 VULKAN LIVES *STOMP STOMP*
@Jake_Steiner
2 жыл бұрын
A wamp rat's anus?
@TheLeatheryman
2 жыл бұрын
I like Umbaran tech and armor. I wish we’d get some action figures
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
It looks so cool
@silverfoxdelta290
2 жыл бұрын
there are legos
@19kp.
2 жыл бұрын
@@silverfoxdelta290 much better than action figures
@silverfoxdelta290
2 жыл бұрын
@@19kp. i used to be an avid collector of both legos and AFs as a kid
@twistedyogert
2 жыл бұрын
It has Tron vibes. They probably drive around on light-cycles.
@Obiwan7100
2 жыл бұрын
In legends of Chiss they made their own TIE Fighter(Nssis-class Clawcraft) with imperial reverse engineering. imagine a TIE Fighter made by the Umbarans.
@darthdarth4297
2 жыл бұрын
Reading the vision of the future. Is that the tie your talking about
@warhawk4494
2 жыл бұрын
That would be sweet
@purpleemerald5299
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine the empire fully reverse-engineering Umbaran tech for all of their vehicles. The alliance would be even more screwed.
@reyvilla6994
2 жыл бұрын
Android from an iPhone
@monkeymunchie9717
2 жыл бұрын
What the name of the comic you were talking about? I would love to read it
@sylvestersmith8738
2 жыл бұрын
'Senate Murders' always seemed like a one-shot episode but the events of that episode had so many more ramifications for the rest if the war. A few of the clones even start questioning the war at the end of the arc. That's what I love about this show, everything is connected in some way.
@nebcyt-notenoughbraincells419
2 жыл бұрын
Geetsley:The battle was just for supply lines Ki adi mundi:but what of the droid attack on the wookies!!!!
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
That one phrase could've changed all of Star Wars forever 😂
@nebcyt-notenoughbraincells419
2 жыл бұрын
@@geetslys thnx for the reply man,keep up the good work and content,may the force be with you
@SuperGoose42
2 жыл бұрын
In this exact scenario, that quote actually applies 😂
@AbsoluteAbsurd
2 жыл бұрын
xD
@ontasbulent5709
2 жыл бұрын
In my headcanon That battle on Umbara wasn’t a battle of the clone wars but the beginning of the 24 year long Umbaran war of independence which would end with the empire pulling out a few months after Endor
@michaelandreipalon359
2 жыл бұрын
Ooh, that's an interesting view on things.
@fritzvongerbel8999
2 жыл бұрын
*Unfortunate sons starts blaring*
@purpleemerald5299
2 жыл бұрын
Plot Twist: It’s actually more like the Korean War, and the Empire merely signed a peace treaty decades after they had already pulled out of the conflict.
@lioncelica5170
2 жыл бұрын
Confirmed Umbara is Vietnam. They began fighting the Japanese, then the French, then the US and Australia, and then finally China. Over the course of thirty years
@purpleemerald5299
2 жыл бұрын
@@lioncelica5170 I wonder what other factions the Umbarans have fought over the millennia…
@crocowithaglocko5876
2 жыл бұрын
Neutral states have complete rights to defend their territory in war and not pick a side, or to choose sides despite threats of war I have some sympathy for the shadowy guys
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@michaelandreipalon359
2 жыл бұрын
Albeit they end up being suspicious enough. Just take a look at what Switzerland did to both the Allies and the Axis during WW2... I respect their biker troops though.
@sheilaolfieway1885
2 жыл бұрын
they should have remained neutral, by joining the sepreatist the fell right into Palpatine's plan and marked themselves for future attacks from the coming empire....
@hansyolo8277
2 жыл бұрын
They also did choose to block the Republic, from a Republic world. They knew what they were doing.
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
@@sheilaolfieway1885 To be fair, we saw with the Mandalorians and Duchess Satine's administration that Palpatine wasn't going to tolerate sensible, Neutral parties for long. If Maul hadn't have done the work for him, Palpatine surely would have forced the issue for the Mandalorians, one way or the other. And I'm sure he would have done the same with the Umbarans.
@stickthelanding4785
2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny cause I always liked this arc even as a kid because they were finally fighting humanoids
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@civilizedhuman7875
2 жыл бұрын
I liked the arc because for once the separatists were using guerrilla tactics
@shaunbrender
2 жыл бұрын
In general, genuine separatists with little to no sith influence are the good guys.
@shaunw9092
2 жыл бұрын
I think we might see this a bit in Andor as that's Cassian Andor's background.
@kaizoisevil
5 ай бұрын
Like Lux and his mother.
@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478
2 жыл бұрын
Now that I think about it, yeah the Umbarans never really did tactics outside of the norm of warfare. Sure they were a bit underhanded, but they were honestly pretty honorable with the battle all things considered. At least way more honorable than the CIS were with their weapons. They did try to give the clones as quick a deaths as they could, which is something that you would not expect from a society where moving up in the cast system can be done through murder if the individual is not caught.
@redeye4516
2 жыл бұрын
That last part reminded me of Morrowind in the Elder Scrolls, namely that you can hire the Morag Tong to kill someone and it's completely legal. All the assassin has to do is kill their mark, and then they flash their contract and they can just leave without any further guard intervention. They can be prevented legally, but you can't touch them if they manage to do it. Not really related to what you said, but I'm always interested in weird legal situations in fiction.
@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478
2 жыл бұрын
@@redeye4516 Well that is mostly because fiction doesn't have to play by our rules, though it is very fascinating.
@Unknown-hb3id
2 жыл бұрын
The CIS outside of their highest leadership is pretty much justified in their reasoning for secession.
@vikingsword3485
2 жыл бұрын
Think it would have been easier to deal with the CIS leadership after the war
@JohnDoe-pi3po
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, honestly if anyone outside of dooku’s inner circle found out what was really going on and managed to stop it, I think the CIS really would have been the good guys
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-pi3po Yep, that was covered in some of the other episodes that, for the most part the CIS Senate was filled with mostly reasonable, moral individuals that simply wanted freedom for their peoples. Palpatine and Dooku both worked very hard to maintain the perception that the CIS was run by monsters, mostly by making sure individuals like Grievous were always front-and-center in the minds of the people of the Republic.
@girlyknight8817
2 жыл бұрын
@@dungeonguy88 um their not monsters, don't call those who aren't monsters! Dat insult to, all monsters everywhere especially to those who have pride in who they are, and wut their are.
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
@@girlyknight8817 ???
@jdpragmatic8644
2 жыл бұрын
Remember that one moment when the clones go up to inspect the downed enemy vehicle? Fives sees one of its pilots mortally wounded and flatly says, “No juice left in him either,” then casually shoots the guy in the head without a second thought. That scene shook me to the core.
@josecano326
Жыл бұрын
I dont remember the scene, but if he was mortally wounded, wouldnt killing him be an act if mercy? Even if what he said wasnt nice, he still spared him from suffering longer
@jdpragmatic8644
Жыл бұрын
@@josecano326 it was in the second episode I think
@aidanpysher2764
2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I was watching this arc in the past few years, I never got the feeling that the show was painting the Umbarans as the stereotypical bad guys. They never focused on a comically evil commander on their side, and in fact, it was like they were painting the Republic in that exact manner. The clones were 100% the bad guys in this arc.
@inquisitorgarza312
2 жыл бұрын
There probably hundreds of thousands of planets that didn’t join the Republic or Confederacy war effort, but they still got occupied or invaded for their strategic positions or resources. And Umbarains were probably the first to be shown as a victims of the war, considering that their Senator was outright murder by the faults of Padme search for peace talks, but considering that the Republic became the Empire the Umbarains they will be punished heavily for siding with the Confederacy out of desperation.
@robertagu5533
2 жыл бұрын
Either punished or "STRONGLY ENCOURAGED" to support Palpatine and Vaders Empire lest they suffer penalties for their part against what used to be the Republic providing whatever the Empire wanted from them that it found so useful
@johnnygyro2295
2 жыл бұрын
Why do you think Satine of Mandalore tried to start a Council of Neutral Systems?
@robertbarrows6687
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnygyro2295 Satine and the Neutral Systems were cool at the start but utterly ineffectual at the end due to suicidal pacifism.
@purpleemerald5299
2 жыл бұрын
@@robertbarrows6687 The sad thing is, basically everyone who opposed the republic and separatists ended up being suicidal. Much like America and the USSR in real life, any faction caught in the giants’ crossfire was screwed.
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
@@robertbarrows6687 Well, Satine's pacifism was arguably vital to the potential formation of such a 3rd party. Her steadfast convictions were a vital selling point in her persuading others. The real problem was that Satine's platform of de-escalation was a massive hindrance to Palpatine's attempts to control the perceptions of the war and scare the Republic into granting him more power. Maul inadvertently did Palpatine a massive favor in killing her and de-stabilizing Mandalore; Duchess Satine was probably more of a hindrance than any Jedi.
@thedoruk6324
2 жыл бұрын
They really protecting their planet we literally see where the Clones were the *Worst Guys* in one scene they literally executed an umbaran survivor at battle ground barely climbing out the crashed vehicle
@lukasweiss4462
2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Umbaran soldier who tried to surrender to Fives begging to him before getting shot multiple times :(
@thedoruk6324
2 жыл бұрын
@@lukasweiss4462 yep most of not all clones were and are direct clear cut *war criminals* and exterminationists as much as the clankers or droids they dreaded and despised
@lukasweiss4462
2 жыл бұрын
@@thedoruk6324 To be fair there was no way most of them could develop some kind of moral code. Their creators were emotionless bastards, their commanders saw them as nothing more than living droids and they had no idea what the war they were fighting was actually about. All they knew about the enemy was that they were trying to kill them and their brothers, so there was no real opportunity for them to develop mercy or anything like that
@thedoruk6324
2 жыл бұрын
@@lukasweiss4462 exactly I have no sympathy neither pity to Kaminoans they were also ruthless eugenics appliers and prone to culling literally anything they deem undesirable They were the closest that Star Wars ever got with WW2 you know which state
@lukasweiss4462
2 жыл бұрын
@@thedoruk6324 Take Sev from Delta Squad for example, he didn't know anything about the Geonosians, why they joined the separatists or the fact that they were simply defending their home. He only knew that 5000 of his commando brothers died because of them and the droids, which was enough reason for him to tear all of them to pieces
@comradeconnolly4538
2 жыл бұрын
Umbaran Commander, getting high off his own supply: “I WANT A THOUSAND JEDI SCALPS” Umbaran Lieutenant: “Sir, the Republic only sent 4 Jedi generals.” “DID I STUTTER?”
@White_Recluse
2 жыл бұрын
“I love the smell Aleco in the morning! Smells like…victory.”
@RoyalLegend1000
2 жыл бұрын
basically the Umbarans was exactly like the Rebells fighting for the freedom of there home planet, you could say they was the first Rebells
@joenathan8594
2 жыл бұрын
Wow the Only thing that would've made that Vietnam parallel more Evident is if the Republic lost... (And if the Umbrians Tortured surviving clones)
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the fact that the casualties were so high already makes it so similar.
@tristankawatsuma8962
2 жыл бұрын
I suppose the comparison is made stronger if you compared the Wookies to the South Vietnamese. Of course the comparison then dies when you realize that Wookies would be enslaved by Trandoshans in a CIS victory. Doubt the North Vietnamese had any sinister plans for the South Vietnamese and even if they did, I doubt it would be as bad as what would have happened with a CIS victory at Kashyyk.
@PhoenixT70
2 жыл бұрын
@@tristankawatsuma8962 After the war, the communists imprisoned SVN government officials, military officers, and generally anyone else who said “boo” in quote-unquote “re-education camps” which had much higher attrition rates than most schools would if memory serves. Sounds pretty nefarious to me.
@RehnanCT-
2 жыл бұрын
"Your right,we were invaders and it wasn't our place to try and take a once loyal world but I didn't fight I'd get a death squad on my back" CT-6963 Lieutenant Xander 501st recollecting his experiences on Umbara and awareness of Covert Ops clone troopers
@Stealth_Saber
2 жыл бұрын
I kind of wonder how this arc would change if we saw this from the perspective of assaults on populated areas. Cuz when we see the Umbaran arc in Clone Wars, it's from the 501st perspective and they are either out in the wild, along a road, or at a military base. There are never innocent civilians anywhere near involved. I think it would be interesting to see how the other clone battalions and maybe jedi were reacting to this planetary siege.
@adameimer1946
2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes in war it is necessary to make a morally questionable choice. The republic had to win back Umbara or they quite possibly would have lost the mid-rim. Tactically it was the only choice they really had.
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
Tactically, sure. The Umbarans definitely still had the moral high ground. And of course, Palpatine would have pushed for the invasion anyway just to ensure more brutal battles and losses to frighten the masses.
@jameskosusnik1102
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly conflict brute forces scientific and technological process.
@virgiljianu7166
2 жыл бұрын
I mean, for the Republic it was a lose-lose situation either way: do they invade Umbara (thus become the aggressors here) and again secure their vital supply line to the Mid Rim or do they leave them be but almost guarantee the loss of the Mid Rim to the CIS?
@jordanwade517
2 жыл бұрын
If you haven’t already, would love to see a video about the difference between arc and regular troopers
@jordanwade517
2 жыл бұрын
If you have done a video like that… link?
@webzentertainment
2 жыл бұрын
One slight correction. Ditchi was not murdered because of his political views, he was murdered because he knew too much and could’ve given away Lola’s involvement in Farr’s murder. That’s why she killed him
@darthlukeskywalker
2 жыл бұрын
Though the clones had more Casalties they would have had a lot less if pong krell wasn't a traitor
@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478
2 жыл бұрын
A somewhat good politician like Midichi (apologies if I am misspelling his name) was murdered because of his political views. Now why does that sound so familiar (rhetorical question).
@CadentClock39
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone: *Deep talks about how it felt wrong and really wrong* Me back as a kid: They brutally hurt my clone bros. Pure evil to me. (Fr though I agree, this whole battle for umbara felt so wrong.)
@arielortiz5643
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always! It was always creepy to see the clones invade a system whose people decided to leave. It left me with a bitter feeling all over. It wasn't even a happy ending for one side, many clones died horrible deaths because of Pong Krell, the umbarans had their home occupied, clones were turned into invaders and the jedi got closer to the dark side of the force, pushing their order closer to the end. However, something I didn't know at all was Kashyk's importance on the mid rim. Perhaps knew vaguely about it's strategical importance, but not how the other worlds saw Kashyk. Maybe Geetsly can do a video explaining it. I would love it, as well as many other. Hope they can do it 💟
@slimetank394
2 жыл бұрын
literally Space Vietnam, stuck in a fight between 2 ideologies, enforced by 2 greater forces than them, just trying to protect their home and freedom.
@edkwon
2 жыл бұрын
Umbarran arc = Space Vietnam And I mean that in every way possible
@jeffjohnson1966
2 жыл бұрын
I love that you guys did this breakdown! I agree that the Umbarans were just protecting their home against an untrustworthy government. I always root for the 501st, and it pains me to see how these brave and selfless Clones were used as pawns for Sidious's grand plan. They fought and died just so that Palpy Mc Scrotumface could have those more difficult world's already under his thumb when the war was over. This is why I feel that Palps was super evil. He orchestrated this entire war, sent millions to their deaths all for his gain.
@mrmelon4444
2 жыл бұрын
*Cries harder every passing second of the story arc*
@Maltatata
2 жыл бұрын
This is quite an interesting topic, thanks for making a video about it
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
No worries!
@masterbuilder1862
2 жыл бұрын
i will always feel bad for the clones after this battle because all odds were against them. Their general was against them from the start, they were fighting the enemy on their home land so they new their planet better, and their technology was far more advanced then the republic's. Also, we lost some of the best clones there are, Hardcase and Waxer. :'(
@adarshkamoda9183
2 жыл бұрын
A hero to one side is a monster to the other. The unorthodox tactics and bravery of the Umbarans would naturally appear to be unnerving and hellish to the other side.
@marshalllatta2073
2 жыл бұрын
The umbarans could have won the clone wars with all of their own technology
@CuckRadioGermany
2 жыл бұрын
I don't believe in that. Theire forces would simply be to restricted in numbers. And even more I don't think all theire "toy's" would work as effective on other worlds than Umbara. It's a really special world after all. And not only the Umbaran Natives where a problem, the Flora and Fauna on that Planet too
@GreaterGrievobeast55
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think they’d have the means of mass producing their tech across the galaxy in a reasonable amount of time. Especially given how stingy the CIS council was on certain projects.
@tnntaronewsnetwork4514
2 жыл бұрын
Well of course of Umbra Witches were . . . Oh wait. The aliens right right.
@GuyInBlackClothes
2 жыл бұрын
This is why even though I support the Republic because I love Clones, the CIS as a movement without the corporations which were evil or the sith; we're good. If you look towards the end of Bad Batch and anytime afterwards, CIS Senators we're imprisoned for just standing for their planet. Which shows who we're the good guys now. This includes any clones who actually cared for the innocent. What the Bad Batch did when they saw the "Insurgents", is correct. They weren't going to kill innocent people protecting their home. Lastly, Captain Howser's move to care about Ryloth shows even in the Republic; there was still some good.
@Kai-ow9gi
2 жыл бұрын
Seeing the organic military forces of the CIS is always a favorite for me. This is why I miss Jabiim. I wish they touched more on the organic forces more often.
@laisphinto6372
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly the clone wars show avoided this like a plague because they had to actually put more thought into it and cannot easily potray the CIS as evil and the clones as good
@s0ph053
2 жыл бұрын
"The confederacy didn't let it's members of parliament get murdered," Yeah, tell that too Mins Bonteri, force rest her soul.
@aliciaaltair
2 жыл бұрын
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Jedi had gone to the separatists and made an offer, like, "get rid of dooku, ban slavery and be slightly less corrupt than the republic and we'll switch sides".
@MONTANI12
2 жыл бұрын
potential history always said it was like the Vietnam war, but I never knew it was almost a mirror, like them worrying about other worlds having a domino effect to join another group, its insane how subtle it is written.
@vistaredgt
2 жыл бұрын
To quote Bender "They must learn of our peaceful ways, By Force"
@zexalbrony4799
2 жыл бұрын
Calling our heroes the Clones villains, especially after what those Umbaran's did to our boys and the fact that their leaving endangered the great Wookies who I also love, you're committing an act of mutiny here, Geetsly. lol.
@theboss13OOO
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed 😆
@laisphinto6372
2 жыл бұрын
When you are fine as well with the coruscant guard, raiding republic homes to prevent "terrorism"
@zexalbrony4799
2 жыл бұрын
@@laisphinto6372 That's different. The Coruscant Guards are assholes, them doing it is pretty obvious it's bad. But the 501st were good men, especially when led by the likes of Rex. Plus, the Republic citizen's the Coruscant Guards harassed couldn't really defend themselves, but the Umbaran's could and they killed many good Clones, also the Clones did take Umbarans as prisoners, so they weren't killing everyone, I didn't see any Umbarans being merciful and taking prisoners. It also says something about the good nature of those Clones that were taking prisoners, considering Kkrell was in charge of the 501st at the time, and with his bloodlust, I doubt he was telling them to take prisoners, but they did it anyway.
@jameskosusnik1102
2 жыл бұрын
In a way i feel like this is relatable as an Alaskan. Location wise umbara is like our location to the U.S
@Clutchhuncho
2 жыл бұрын
Best Star Wars Channel out none of your topics are rehashed topics keep it up !
@lerneanlion
2 жыл бұрын
Another way to describe this is how Padme Amidala's dedication for peace and justice resulted in sufferings and deaths of thousands at least and millions at worst. For both the clones and the Umbarans, of course.
@thegreatsnowblizzard3196
2 жыл бұрын
It's very clear that the Umbara arc was meant to be the clone wars version of Vietnam
@Cwronaga216
2 жыл бұрын
Too bad their society was kind of evil however imagine just how cool and interesting Star Wars technology would have been if more organizations used umbaran technology later in the wars to come especially the technology they use to create their cockpits and heads-up displays and shielding
@jdpragmatic8644
2 жыл бұрын
Like the Vong?
@EdaugEthanbYT
2 жыл бұрын
Umbarans are always guilty of killing Hardcase. Never forget that
@Tigershark_3082
2 жыл бұрын
Hardcase sacraficed himself aboard a DROID ship
@EdaugEthanbYT
2 жыл бұрын
@@Tigershark_3082 That wouldn’t be there had the Umbarans been reasonable
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
@@EdaugEthanbYT Palpatine was never going to allow a reasonable, diplomatic option to be followed. He wanted brutal, scary battles taking place across the galaxy.
@EdaugEthanbYT
2 жыл бұрын
@@dungeonguy88 All the Umbarans had to do was accept that Deeci died at the hands of a Separatist agent
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
@@EdaugEthanbYT Again, Palpatine was never gonna let that be the end of it. Not when he had an opportunity to radicalize both the Republic and the CIS further.
@blastedsneeze4460
2 жыл бұрын
4:42 Mina bontari: a my a joke to you
@thebossman9176
2 жыл бұрын
There are so many fantastic things you can say about the Umbara Arc, but one describes it all - masterpiece
@wrightroenigk
2 жыл бұрын
Senator Me Dici sounds like Medici Which is a nice historical reference if you know anything about Renaissance Italy
@Tk52781
2 жыл бұрын
I was scrolling through to the comments to see if anyone else picked up on that.
@randallrona9618
2 жыл бұрын
The Umbara arc reminds me to the Vietnam War where superior US forces was underestimated by the North Vietnamese forces and the harsh jungle battle zones.
@chivington4065
2 жыл бұрын
General Krell was being a "hard-ass" on Umbara just like General Patton was in WW2.
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
Well...General Krell was also literally a traitor that was sabotaging the war effort intentionally.
@skorpion3993
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly never understood the battle of Umbara, it literally just seemed like a race of people protecting their homeworld, it was a great series of episodes but it did confuse me and was never given much backstory in the show. I think most of the focus was put on Pong Krell and his conflict with the 501st and the Umbarans were basically just made to look like the enemies when realistically they weren’t, especially with those scary ass machines.
@eatingpancakesrightnow2786
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who was never blind by a love for the clones, duh. I was rooting for the Umbarans from the beginning
@warhawk4494
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the clones were the bad guys here.
@vaughnhennessey5421
2 жыл бұрын
You want my opinion well I'll give you my opinion. FOR THE REPUBLIC
@white_ninja9828
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not so much that the clones were the bad guys in this case. It’s more the people that were handing out orders. The clones were just doing what they were told. Which is a philosophical argument in its own right, but I digress.
@AtlantisPriestHood
2 жыл бұрын
The best thing i realized about this show is that it not only displayed how the republic overall was further losing its way, but also showed the progressing blindness if the jedi.
@austinfisher1015
2 жыл бұрын
My favorite arc of any TV series ever. Absolutely fantastic to the point that if I rewatch the show I just watch this arc alone.
@imperialprotocoldroid8570
2 жыл бұрын
Umbara=Space Vietnam Also just like Vietnam this whole battle could've been done through negotiations instead of blood shed.
@chrisdaily2077
2 жыл бұрын
It ain't a kids show without the Vietnam War allegory.
@robland3253
11 ай бұрын
6:23 the um arena were unjustified in their succession, the senator was murdered by a crazy aide, who was then arrested.
@brucesmith8285
2 жыл бұрын
The clones were doing the pre-work of the empire.
@MitchellSaad
2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the Umbarans knew what they were getting into when they seceded from the Republic and joined their enemies the Separatist. The Republic had every right to fight the enemies so close to home and in such a vital location. It’s just war
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
The Umbarans also had every right to secede and fight as ruthlessly as possible to defend their homes.
@Or_me
2 жыл бұрын
I’d have to disagree with the point that the Republic was wrong or hypocritical in choosing to violate the sovereignty of Umbara by invading. As you mentioned yourself, the loss of the planet put Kashyyyk and the entire Mid Rim at risk, and hundreds or even thousands of mid rim Loyalist systems would have had their own sovereignty violated by the Confederacy and forced to join. Thus, from a utilitarian standpoint, the Republic was faced with two bad options and chose the one that protected the greatest amount of people. Additionally, in regards to the strategic military reasons to invade, I’d say they’re no less moral than the secession of Umbara because of how critical to the war effort it was. Considering how the loss of the planet meant massive short term and loss of the war meant long term dangers to the sovereignty, security, and perhaps even the continued existence of the Republic, the only option was to invade Umbara, again to preserve the freedom and security of the most amount of people in the face of inevitable loss.
@Or_me
2 жыл бұрын
However, this isn’t to say that the Umbarans were wrong, it’s just that they found themselves on opposite sides not by choice and the best course of action for both was to fight. As well as this, I’d struggle to call either the Republic or CIS evil, as the both had legitimate reasons to exist and fight, and in spite of both factions crimes, it was people who believed in the founding ideals of both organizations that sustained their existence.
@DraconimLt
2 жыл бұрын
Did they need to invade the actual planet though? The trade route was in space, wouldn't a blockade or ships on the route itself have been enough and allow the Umbarans to claim 'neutrality'?
@jasonskeans3327
2 жыл бұрын
@@DraconimLt a blockade wouldn't have worked they had access to space cababke craft and the resources to mass produce them it would have been a constant drain of resource a single invation takes then out of the war effort
@DraconimLt
2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonskeans3327 alright then if fighting is necessary destroy their space/air capability and THEN blockade, saves a lot of lives on both sides. A ground invasion just seems both unnecesary and wasteful. If you prevent them from leaving the planet, you have no need to land. Or if that's not even necessary, why not just accept their neutrality and as I said as my other idea, protect the trade route in space itself. If the Umbarans truly wanted to be neutral, then they couldn't/wouldn't attack first. My point is why was CONTROLLING the PLANET necessary? The route didn't go THROUGH it, is it because it went through the space owned by that planet, like national waters in space? Yet in that case you only need to control space, not the ground. Also, most of the route is in Hyperspace, they would only need to exit for a short while, move ships in convoys and why would the Umbarans attack if they are not attacking them? The Republic would only need to atack if the Umbarans were actively blocking the Republics access, were they? Cos neutrality would be to allow both sides to pass through their space, not to block all access? As for a true ground invasion of an entire planet, that would cause far more casualties and drain huge resources anyway. It costs far more to take and hold ground rather than simply blockade or bypass.
@myleswelnetz6700
Жыл бұрын
How dare the Umbarans see the Republic’s corruption! The nerve of those people!
@adamslater1634
2 жыл бұрын
Let the lessons of corrupt government hit home when we deal with the Palpatine like tactics of our own government. It's never black and white when there is corruption and greed in power.
@AlexanderRJaruk
2 жыл бұрын
I would argue that it often is exactly that, bla
@Karlos1234ify
2 жыл бұрын
You say that, but we lost too many Clones during that escapade
@DATA-qt3nb
2 жыл бұрын
Noo, i totally agree! The Umbarans were just protecting there home when it comes down to it and the Republic did it out of necessity so i see why it was logical to them even if it wasnt really justified or right
@XevenYT143
Жыл бұрын
Growing up you realized that the watching The Clone Wars was a tragic show
@Beery1962
2 жыл бұрын
If Umbara was the Umbarans' home world, why do they fight while wearing what look like space suits?
@clonesolar
2 жыл бұрын
Clone: "Hans, are we the good guys?" Clone 2: "Ja, of course we are." Clone: "But, but you- killed that umbaran by breaking his mask." Clone 2: "So? They're bad guys!" Clone: "I don't think this is right, im deserting." *shoots other clone in the head and hops into a Arc-170*
@Nessie-mf3xg
2 жыл бұрын
I think one of the biggest tactical advantages the Separatists had was their integration of different tactics into one large military force. The Republic missed a huge opportunity by not going around to different systems within the republic and developing a doctrine that utilized a wider range of equipment. I also realize that most of the battles in the clone wars involved tactics more akin to World War 1. Imagine what advantage the GAR could have gotten if they had integrated some of the vehicles of the Umbarans into their own army. It also could have had simultaneous soft-power advantages as now the Umbarans are trading with the Republic and would thus be closer with them. I also realize that something like this could never have happened as Mr. Palpy wouldn’t have approved it.
@neofulcrum5013
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the Umbarans would’ve fared against the empire
@indianajones4321
2 жыл бұрын
No juice left in him either
@theentmarch
Жыл бұрын
Moral ambiguity doesn't come from a hero actually being a bad guy, but pitting your heroic soldiers who don't have any say in what battle spay fight, against patriotic defenders, both sides pitted against each other by the real villains. Even as a kid, I could understand how unusual it was for Star Wars to show our heroes with covered, faces fighting against people whose faces we could see.
@dreamingflurry2729
2 жыл бұрын
A pawn (clones and jedi in this case) can not be a bad guy! Nah, that was all on Sidious (ok: Except sadistic commanders and sadistic clones, there were some of these, who used harsh, shock tactics that would make Tarkin proud!)
@quinmatthew1
7 ай бұрын
I know the video is 2 years old but does anyone think that the presence of at-tes could've turned the battle? Seeing the umbaran walkers outgun the clones made me wonder, why didn't or couldn't the republic field their own walkers? There was room for the umbarans to field their walkers and we've seen at-tes in jungles like teth and felucia before so the terrain wasnt really a limit
@Furonanator139
Жыл бұрын
What's worse is the republic could have likely negotiated them into neutrality, an arrangement that'd likely benefit the planet as well but the republic didn't care. And honestly Palpatine had nothing to do with it considering the republics long dark history before he was even born.
@james501001
2 жыл бұрын
The problem is that apart from the motive to secede was shaky at best (The Senate itself was corrupt but wasnt at fault in this specific case), their decision to join the Seperatists instead of remainingNeutral like Mandalore just made it worse. They decided to join the faction openly led by a Sith Lord who has commonly used assasinations, massacres, oppression and even genocide. And of course not to mention the routes they cut off which are critical for supplies and transportation to Republic worlds like Kashyyk. When you join the enmy side, you cant cry about "indepence" or "self-determination" when you have purposefully made yourself an official enemy of your previous alliance. If an Allied country seceded and joined the Axis in WW2 and actively supported them, they cant cry foul when the Allies treat them as enemies. They cant expect no retaliation.
@basedbattledroid3507
2 жыл бұрын
All of the Separatista were in the right, fight me, roger roger
@BlazinInfernape
2 жыл бұрын
I really like the design of Umbara. The planet being perpetually in the shadows gives an almost sinister look to the population as a whole, which makes the unfortunate and sympathetic situation the planet was in a great subversion of expectations.
@H240909
2 жыл бұрын
If it was just about supply lines, couldn’t they have just negotiated a neutrality agreement? What was stopping the Republic from just flying through the Umbaran’s system without setting foot on the planet? Just set up a space station or two, send a garrison of warships, and tell the Umbarans, “Stay away from our ships and we’ll stay off your planet.” I know the Republic was in full Empire mode by this point, but from a tactical perspective, suppressing the Umbarans was a waste of time, resources, and soldiers. Guard the trade lanes until Order 66 and then break their agreements with the Umbarans like the Empire did with all other Separatist worlds. Then again, no one accused fascists of being smart.
@dungeonguy88
2 жыл бұрын
That would have been the pragmatic path, possibly. Though that would invite the possibility of sabotage or raids from the Umbarans; they were shown to have their own starfighters at least. But winning the war with as little loss as possible wasn't Palpatine's goal. Palpatine wanted brutal, horrific battles with the Jedi front-and-center to frighten the masses and weaken the faith the people had in the Jedi. A horrible, bloody slog was exactly what Palpatine wanted.
@thegreatestpepe
2 жыл бұрын
So basically real life warfare
@miguelperez9906
2 жыл бұрын
It was a very grim battle in a dark world …. So it was basically grim…dark
@twistedyogert
8 ай бұрын
Perhaps the CIS could've sent them a few squads of commando droids.
@ricardoalonso8376
2 жыл бұрын
"Everything they did was in accordance to war time laws" Including the Republic invading, being right or justified in joining the separatists doesn't make then any less of a viable target for the Republic.
@egs577
2 жыл бұрын
Almost reminded me of that Scottish guy who made the "General Shepherd Did Nothing Wrong" video of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2. lol. Epic. 👌 👍
@keule329z.4
8 ай бұрын
"The Confederacy didn't let its representatives in parliament get murdered" Mina Bonteri, getting assasinated after she stood up for peace talks between the warring factions: "Am I a joke to you?"
@treiwilson9445
2 жыл бұрын
I always wondered about that story arc. Why didn't the republic try to negotiate,but yeah hmm.
@desenvolvedorgorpa2975
2 ай бұрын
Umbara foi somente um dos planetas que os jedi classificaram como "inimigos" quando na verdade estavam lutando pelo seu mundo mas a ambição do windu e de muitos jedi que queriam sim controlar a galaxia formando algo que não foi dito em toda a saga. Papatine estava certo "a republica e a ordem jedi são os verdadeiros risco a liberdade".
@MichaelThomas-p6q
3 ай бұрын
the clones also were good guys, they fought for strategic advances for their home and what they thought good, and I am not entirely sure whether without krell the republic even would have invaded, in other words krell is the villain
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