It’s so funny to me they legalized euthanasia and not cannabis,
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've gathered from my American friends this is surprising to them.
@darioguerra3065
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 Consenting mercy killing fine, but that plant which is legal in 15 states, all of Canada and more nations by the year is too dangerous to let loose! This year has been amazing for legal weed, recreational succeed in 5 states, Israel and Luxembourg have announced plans to legalize, Canberra legalized as the first place in Australia to do so, and now the Mexican Senate will be voting on a legalization bill in a week or two. It's sad New Zealand could not pass it, but this is just a stumbling block. Edit: Should also mention, Israel is now legalizing weed or in the process of, the US passed in the lower house a Decrim bill and letting states be the arbiter of weed policies, the UN voted to recognize Medical Weed, etc. Being for Green Prohibition is being for the war on people.
@joshkatz4448
3 жыл бұрын
@@darioguerra3065 he isnt sad New Zealand didnt pass it, he voted no. He wants anyone who has had a puff of a joint at a party to be punished, have trouble finding jobs, and be prevented from travelling overseas.
@darioguerra3065
3 жыл бұрын
@@joshkatz4448 True, I had not seen the small bar of text at the end. Depressing that someone would actively support the war on people because second hand smoke? that text read straight out of 2011 when I remember Washington was getting ready to legalize.
@MisterBroad
3 жыл бұрын
Whats wrong with euthanasia?? If someone wishes to die, because he is doomed anyway, because of cancer or whatever, its HIS decision.
@elygolden
3 жыл бұрын
Your personal position is quite interesting. Here in Canada, recreational cannabis is legal, and I haven't noticed a particular increase in secondhand cannabis smoke since it was legalised. I agree with regards to secondhand smoke, though I think that efforts to reduce smoking in public are a different regulatory game compared to what people decide to do in private.
@TheOwenMajor
3 жыл бұрын
The issue with that analysis is that cannabis has been effectively decriminalized for decades now. We didn't notice a change because the market was saturated. Almost everyone that smokes weed already did.
@brian1206
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOwenMajor Ok, so that's an argument for legalization then.
@jorgeamadosoriaramirez8953
3 жыл бұрын
in Uruguay it was a regular occurrence to catch a whiff of weed on the street, but I never got high from second hand smoke. It was certainly nicer than the second hand tobacco smoke that used to be common prior to the price hike of cigarrettes.
@theochambers8090
3 жыл бұрын
We shouldn’t ban or as heavily restrict smoking as we do, but no smoking in public in return for smoking bars being allowed (optional for owner and 18+ or 21+) would really be a compromise
@97Corvi
3 жыл бұрын
In my school years in Italy i had a desk mate that regularly smoked pot during recreation. It wasen't as bad as going thouw the Cloud of smoke outside my school, but It still wasn't a pleasant experience XD
@harrywood6502
3 жыл бұрын
My take away from this was that NZ didn't decriminalise homosexuality until the mid 80s
@Daniel-dj5pd
3 жыл бұрын
yeah they were pretty late to it, surprising considering their track record on other things like women's rights
@Gimtow
3 жыл бұрын
It's terrible to think it took so long, but at least we beat Australia (1997) and the United States (2003).
@dididogster9994
3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if homosexuals were actively hunted in NZ or was it just a late decriminalisation like the abortion law?
@nutyyyy
3 жыл бұрын
That was the same as many countries....
@NorthKangaroo
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gimtow to say NZ beat Australia is a bit misleading when in reality NZ adopted decriminalisation before the Australian state legislatures of Tasmania, Queensland, and WA. By that stage SA, NSW, ACT, NT, and Victoria had already decriminalised homosexuality, which equated to roughly 70% of the Australian population. In that case, NZ was relatively middle of the road for anglosphere legislatures in decriminalising homosexuality. Certainly better than Tasmania, but long after South Australia.
@oops3266
3 жыл бұрын
For me personally, the argument stops when I can't think of solid reasons for cannabis to be illegal when alcohol is not illegal. Perhaps it's a simplistic way of looking at it but now that we have Canada as an example and nothing seems to have gone wrong for them in their legalisation process, I see very little reason for it to be prohibited. When there aren't strong reasons for something to be illegal, it should be legal in my opinion. The only thing I'm seeing here as something that may discourage me is the uncertainty about the final form of the bill but on balance, I'm definitely a yes vote.
@dethan4176
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, though I’d like to add with your Canada example. It was done in a pretty messy way where each province had complete control over how it is to be dealt with. Where I live (Ontario) you can only get it online from the government or from a store with a license you can only get through a lottery. As such, most people still buy It off the streets. The only real difference here was no criminal charges and people being able to grow there own (which that also has regulations). But yes, nothing bad has really happened because weed is legal now.
@dictionarypleb2826
3 жыл бұрын
These substances each have different social and political circumstances, so the way to minimise their harm is different for each one. When you start from the position that the use of ALL harmful/addictive substances ought to be minimised, there is no hypocrisy for allowing alcohol and caffeine to be legal and regulated while cannabis and mdma are illegal/decriminalised.
@oops3266
3 жыл бұрын
@@dethan4176 thanks for that detail, I admit that my opinion on the Canada situation was based only on me in the UK not having heard anything on our media about it since the legalisation announcement was made, and the fact that a superficial google just before posting that comment that didn't reveal stories of Canada's sudden massive weed problem. Still, as you say, those problems sound like results of the way the law was handled rather than the weed itself
@oops3266
3 жыл бұрын
@@dictionarypleb2826 I agree with you on your general point here that not all substances are equal, for example I'm not arguing that heroin should be legalised, but I'm not quite following the specifics for cannabis. Why do you think that cannabis should be dealt with more harshly than alcohol in this case, given that cannabis is known not to be a very addictive substance?
@tomlegat-parker5099
3 жыл бұрын
Dont make liquor illegal
@amiscellaneoushuman3516
3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I support cannabis legalisation while still opposing recreational drug use, including alcohol and tobacco. For me it comes down to the fact that I believe medical intervention and proper education are more effective than criminalisation in preventing said drug use. Btw I'm british. Also, I'm curious how voting works for you as a New Zealand expat?
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Voting overseas is really quite simple. I go to a government website and enter my details. Then I can download a pdf with my ballot and a special vote declaration form (prefilled in). I fill in and sign those, scan them as separate files and upload them to the website. Where I'm given a tracking code that I don't actually use but still like to have.
@amiscellaneoushuman3516
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 thanks for the explanation
@tysonplett3328
3 жыл бұрын
"Calling people rasists just makes them less likely to vote for your cause" If only more people figured this out lol.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, people seem to continually make this mistake.
@Tony.H03
3 жыл бұрын
I agree, though I also think this gets used too easily to dismiss actual racism, sexism, etc outa hand. It'd be good for progressives to figure out how to talk about it.
@tysonplett3328
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tony.H03 Calling an actual racist a racist would have a lot more weight if people weren't calling everyone racists.
@Tony.H03
3 жыл бұрын
@@tysonplett3328 I think the problem lies in that many (mostly white) people interpret racism as a conscious act on the account of evil people, and not as a system of inequities that historically covary with race with hardly any conscious intention nowadays. That one can do (unconsciously) racist things without being _a_ racist. That's just hard to communicate and conservatives can very easily propagandise and ridicule it.
@TheOwenMajor
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tony.H03 That would mean progressives would have to learn how to better understand their opponent's arguments and beliefs. But studies have shown the right understands the left, the left simply has little understanding of the motives of those on the right.
@chrismckellar9350
3 жыл бұрын
I voted yes, as recreational use of cannabis is the same as recreational use of alcohol. Alcohol is regulated from production to retail sale and the government makes money from excises and GST, so using a similar production to retail sale model for recreational cannabis was a no brainier. What the Yes campaigners didn't mentioned was the the economic value for those economically depress regions was the hemp byproduct, as we al know can be used in a wide range of products. Now the criminal gangs are happy, they still have a good financial income and not paying taxes on what they earn.
@kennethrcf2202
3 жыл бұрын
Hello! A guy from Washington DC here. We semi-legalized (thanks Congress) cannabis here by referendum and there really wasn’t an increase in drug use. There’s a little more regulation and people feel safer when using the drug. We also just decriminalized magic mushrooms via referendum as well earlier this month. All I’m saying is legalizing weed and taxing it is good for some states (and countries) and at the very least it should be decriminalized and available for medical use. Also I really like the Portuguese Model and I think DC should follow that and other states and cities should too if the voters decided that is what’s right.
@Godae
3 жыл бұрын
I voted to legalize cannabis simply put because it doesn't significantly hurt anyone and i believe in personal freedoms. Everyone does this mental gymnastics to try to win the argument like you mentioned with the minority's being effected and such but I thought the main reason would be pretty simple. It has positives and negatives, and as long as you understand them I consider it safe.
@kevinolmedo675
3 жыл бұрын
Here is where I disagree: Cannabis *can* and *has alredy* harm people: It's, in the end, a adictive drug which can lead people to overdose.
@rob_olmstead
3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinolmedo675 I agree with you. Countryballs stronk, brotha!
@onehotmess445
3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinolmedo675 did the people od cuz it was laced
@RileyDaBozz
2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinolmedo675 Overdose? You would need to smoke something like 700kgs of Marijuana to overdose on it!
@8ightshark
2 жыл бұрын
@@RileyDaBozz and your lungs/stomach would give out long before that point. it's disgusting the mental gymnastics people used to lie to themselves
@Donut-Eater
3 жыл бұрын
limiting legal access to drugs only increases harm from those drugs, both from extreme withdrawal from people who quit cold turkey and from people who don't quit, when a drug becomes criminal the only available ways to get a dose would be from drug dealers who don't really get the most regulation and often sell higher doses to keep the business going
@thecryingsoul
3 жыл бұрын
Legalization does however also reduce price, and in turn availability, which according to basic economics does increase the number of consumers. So on a societal scale it is a balance act of how much the harm of the drug impacts said society as opposed to how much criminalizing it costs to maintain.
@Donut-Eater
3 жыл бұрын
@@thecryingsoul the solution to widespread drug addictions isn't limiting drugs, but helping drug addicts recover, like in Portugal
@TheOwenMajor
3 жыл бұрын
A rather ridiculous notion in my opinion. The way to solve addiction issues is help them break their addiction, not feed that addiction. Here in Canada(Manitoba), weed was at party I attended growing up, likewise with alcohol. Lax enforcement of prohibitions will lead to a greater portion of the population using the substance. That being said I believe that the individual should be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to using substances, within reason.
@calvin4864
3 жыл бұрын
@@thecryingsoul Not true. I've visited Amsterdam, and I've spoken to plenty of Dutch people online. Cannibis use is normal, but not as common as people outside of the Netherlands think. The majority of the people who were OKing cannabis at the coffee shops were tourist. Take the example of Prohibition on the United States. When alcohol became illegal, alcohol consumption spiked at an all time high. Making something illegal causes people to think "Might as well get it if I can" Like when there's a shortage of products like during the start of the pandemic, people panic buy. People thought toilet paper would run out, to which it did because people panic bought. When something is available and abundant enough, people aren't going to keep buying and buying, it's available, no need to panic, but it whenever. So in conclusion, making something like cannabis illegal won't reduce usage, it's the exact opposite. Atleast the legalisation of Marijuana will allow the drug to be regulated.
@thecryingsoul
3 жыл бұрын
@@calvin4864 Nor is the amount of usage of marijuana particularly low either compared to the surrounding countries, being rather average for the region. Regardless just comparing single countries overall numbers excludes other factors that contribute to overall drug use, such as the prevalence of expensive medical drugs in the US, which can often serve to transition people which have developed an addiction to these drugs to other illicit substances (more so relevant for harder substances ofc). Legalization can potentially have several positive outcomes, such as reducing drug deaths, and reducing other illegal activities associated with illegal drug trade. However, to claim that legalization would reduce usage is a gross misunderstanding of basic economic principles. Edit: would like to clarify that I do not have a particularly hard stance of the issue of legalization either way. I simply do not find this particular argument especially sound, and would like to urge those interested in it too look at the actual upsides with legalization, that does not require any wishful thinking.
@johndoe5432
3 жыл бұрын
I live somewhere where cannabis is legal, I very rarely make use of it. That being said, there is no argument against cannabis being legal that couldn't just as easily be applied to alcohol.
@MahDryBread
3 жыл бұрын
Man, it's a real shame they didn't legalise. Honestly since it got legalised here in Canada, I gave it a try and it's improved my life drastically. I don't have to live with the daily pains of having Ehlers-Danlos syndrome anymore.
@lightningfirst689
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that 80% of people in New Zealand have tried cannabis doesn't really matter. Even if only one person in the world had ever used it, that person shouldn't be charged with a crime.
@badgerattoadhall
2 жыл бұрын
Cannabis was legalize for recreational use in my state a couple of years ago. I as a non user voted yes. I have noticed no difference in day to day life.
@Tomwithnonumbers
3 жыл бұрын
I've always been a little skeptical of the medical marijuana argument. Most people want legalisation because they just want to smoke weed. There's nothing wrong with that. Make that argument
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think focusing on the libatarian choice argument would have been a good move.
@fraserlackfan9383
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 why does the argument or who’s saying it even matter? can no one think for themselves these days?
@rikkaboy4622
3 жыл бұрын
Legal cannabis has gained more traction in the US, even from conservatives, because of it economic gains. Governments get a new stream of funds from taxes while the private sector benefits from the new business and it's growing size in the stock market. Although it's not same reason as to why I personally want it to be legal, it's an argument that works in the US
@aganib4506
2 жыл бұрын
Some of us like myself, would like to just consume edibles or tinctures without having to cause public disruption due to the smoke or vape. Although I'm from California, USA, I wish Kiwis can finally consume marijuana recreationally without worry.
@jackbarnett7095
3 жыл бұрын
So the main new Zealand parties are basically centrist and very similar?
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Depends on who you ask. But, there is an argument to be made that in a proportional system with not too many parties the road to victory is to be centrist and appeal to the middle swing voters.
@AholeAtheist
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 *Facepalm*
@korakys
3 жыл бұрын
Yes the two main parties are almost identical. They tend to differ only on areas that don't matter too much, such as cultural issues. They are the duopoly of mediocrity and mainly rely on the personal charisma (or more correctly in NZ their "likeability") of their leaders to win elections.
@dictionarypleb2826
3 жыл бұрын
NZ elections are mostly won by appealing to centrists. Because of this the two major parties appear to be quite different on paper but enact similar policies when actually in government. For the last 20 or so years, both sides have legislated very free markets, moderate-low taxes, and small budget surpluses, to use fiscal policy as an example.
@Septimus_ii
3 жыл бұрын
You're not going to like the main 2 Irish parties
@DoubleYolk
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s fair to call people who voted “no” racist, as most boomers I know who voted “no” would have voted “yes” if the question were just actual legislative decriminalization. That said, the age demographics show that young people will eventually vote legal cannabis in at some point, and (I think) the proposed bill was sufficiently cautious in terms of what it actually allowed (especially compared to some states, like California). It possibly would have been made even more cautious once it made its way through parliament - I definitely don’t think it would have been made more broad, especially with such a close vote. I think the “yes” camp could have done more to favorably compare the proposed legislation with more broad legislation in other places. Then again, 14g is a lot.
@arthurclery5731
3 жыл бұрын
I've had multiple no voters make the argument to me that because we would've had a potency limit of 14%, there would still be a raging black market and so legalization wouldn't decrease gang funding. They seem to forget that even though alcohol over 50% is prohibitively expensive, they don't go to a gang dealer to buy stronger alcohol.
@DoubleYolk
3 жыл бұрын
@@arthurclery5731 great point
@HebaruSan
3 жыл бұрын
I was mildly disappointed to discover that NZ does not have a party called "Former United Future"
@Futuristcoffee
3 жыл бұрын
Soliloquy is always first if you think about it
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
The amount of time I spend on the videos, I might be second through 400th too.
@toyface909
3 жыл бұрын
I would like to hear your opinion on the no campaigns use of debunked stats and misinformation run in part by overseas interests.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Generally, I don't think statistics change people votes, they latch on to the statistics that confirm their position. Average voters just don't put in the time to go that deep. The solution is to do what David Seymour suggested and create an independent and impartial inquiry to look into the results seen overseas. As I said in the video, "the yes campaign was caught spreading misinformation" on the medical issue, whether that's fair or not they weren't in a good position to respond to misinformation from the other side. And independent group might have done better.
@toyface909
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 fair
@kvlt696
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 the yes campaign won in the ruling when the nopers laid a complaint about the claim of easier medical cannabis access. The nope campaign did spread misinformation however, and backed by a ridiculous amount of money from religious nutjobs and American lobbyists
@gwailou9003
3 жыл бұрын
So for the time being, Cannabis will be easier to access than alcohol by minors. Because drug dealers don't ask for ID. In fact they give them a bag of harder drugs to 'try' that they never thought of pursuing on their own
@bokimaru7317
3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! Very helpful for a young kiwi overseas who got to vote for the first time :)
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Good job voting.
@SimonNZ6969
3 жыл бұрын
Think of all that money we just flushed down the toilet. I hope we get another chance next election and the Yes Campaign is actually run properly.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
I think it will require some major shift in NZ politics to come up again. You would need the ALCP to fall behind TOP, and then to fill the void left by NZF and UF, and potentially seeing the Māori Party fail to make it in. TOP would then need to be kingmaker and choose to force the issue. That would be a political risk, if Labour didn't budge and the nation went back to the polls it could be the end if TOP before it began.
@telltellyn
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 Hasn't the percentage of people supporting cannabis legalisation been growing for decades? I haven't seen any reason for that progress to slow, I'd be genuinely shocked if there wasn't 60-70% support in NZ in a decade's time. I wouldn't be at all surprised if cannabis is legalised at the federal level in the USA under Biden (considering the overwhelming bipartisan support for cannabis reforms in the latest US election). The USA legalising it could create a domino effect around other Western nations.
@barrysargent1213
3 жыл бұрын
@@telltellyn funny that the US is slowly going legal when they were the ones that toured the world making it illegal in the first place. Why the hell do we follow them? We allowed bloody do gooders from the US to come here and try to influence our country again during the run up to the referendum. That should have been stopped at a government level. That's interfering with our election process in my view.
@zebedeetotty
Жыл бұрын
@@barrysargent1213 Very true, also alot of the reasons the Americans used to stir the pot originally were just made up racist nonsense, IMO any semi intelligent goverment should look back at the reasons that were used to make the plant illegal in the US to begine with, realize they are bullshit legalize and move on.
@aidanmullenger3390
2 жыл бұрын
U can ruin ur life with alcohol but if u have a joint ur a criminal
@thekingoftheworld9553
3 жыл бұрын
I do get the second hand smoke argument living in Amsterdam. But after its legal you then apply the restrictions to it. It was a sad day for peroneal freedom tho.
@impguardwarhamer
3 жыл бұрын
kinda miffs me this video is presented as if its such a shame that the yes campaign didn't win, which is weird given that the author apparently voted no
@juicesnap
Жыл бұрын
It is odd that there was no economic argument. but one of the arguments that people use to convince conservative/ moderates in the US ( I'm an American) is that legal weed increases state tax revenue.
@Innerlight320
Жыл бұрын
😂 yeah like in california fail
@solid7468
3 жыл бұрын
If alcohol is legal then cannabis should as well.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree, because someone can have an alcoholic drink while sitting next to me and I can be unaffected, this isn't the case for a smoked substance.
@bokimaru7317
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 But isn't that why the referendum specified that you can only smoke at home and in specific premises?
@solid7468
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 It is illegal to drink in public spaces except for bars and other specified areas that's why a man was arrested for drinking at the Bus Stop near my house.
@anatypicallyhumanperson7200
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 smoking isn't the only way to consume cannibus. Also, limiting its use to home and other designated areas all but removes it's effect on nonsmokers.
@voidvector
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 if someone drinks alcohol and get into a drunk driving accident with you, you would be severely effected. On the other hand, driving under the influence of THC is suspected to have an adverse effect, but number of studies by reputable organizations cannot verify this conclusion. (e.g. AAA and NHTSA in US)
@josephwatson4783
3 жыл бұрын
I think legalisation of cannabis and other drugs is a good step towards a sensible health approach. I also think we should have a stronger health regime when it comes to legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco. Basically make it legal but aim to reduce use and increase safety.
@miguelmateus5258
3 жыл бұрын
See Portugal drug policy. Not legal. Consumers treated as humans, not as criminals. We reduced the consumption of every drug to world minimums.
@matthewbullock3333
3 жыл бұрын
Ngl I was disappointed that the referendum failed but I wasn't surprised. The vote was always going to be close. I voted Yes because of a lot of the reasons that people have already mentioned here in the comments as well as in your video. Interesting that you mentioned the 2nd hand smoke issue as one of the main reasons you voted No I've never heard that as an argument. I think one of the most compelling arguments that were made for the No campaign was the drug-driving issue.
@stevenmcalister826
2 жыл бұрын
Nobody uses it as an argument because it doesn’t make any sense. Smoking indoors has been illegal for years, how is that going to change due to weed?
@theo6426
3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say, i love your vids! Keep it up!
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@Nick-ko1jx
3 жыл бұрын
I think the comparison to Bernie Sanders in the US might be a bit an oversimplification especially with regards to turnout but I get your point in that they should have gone for a less radical and gradual approach and reached out to center and right wingers as well. My state (NJ) in the US legalized marijuana and the taxation argument is actually a fairly strong one to the point that Gov. Cuomo of NY right next door to me is considering legalizing because of the massive hole in the NY budget. I think either Mississippi or Alabama may have decriminalized this year as well which should make everyone that hasn't legalized or decriminalized feel quite bad. Do you think Jacinda Ardern would decriminalize/legalize marijuana with her left wing majority government? Would it hurt her popularity if she did it legislatively?
@UpLateGeek
3 жыл бұрын
I'm constantly of two minds when it comes to cannabis decriminalisation. As someone who lives with chronic pain, maybe it would make way for moving some cannabis-based pain medication to over the counter rather than requiring a prescription, but at the same time I hate cigarette smoke, and I know cannabis and driving don't mix. So I really have no idea which way I'd go if they were to have a similar referendum here.
@33m3c
3 жыл бұрын
Utter bullshit, many, many people can smoke vast amount and not have there driving impacted , it comes down to how it effects you personally. If you cant understand this you are closed minded. Of course many people cant smoke and drive- but to relate it to drink driving for instance is night and day and not the same thing at all.
@UpLateGeek
3 жыл бұрын
@@33m3c Just a tip, but if you want to convince someone of something, you probably don't want to insult them. Kind of suggests the point of the post wasn't to educate, but to insult.
@33m3c
3 жыл бұрын
@@UpLateGeek insulted how exactly care to point out? Was It cause I suggested ones closed minded because they are if they outright think someone is impaired driving just cause they have thc in them. If you want an actual insult, keep going I'll give u plenty bawbag
@UpLateGeek
3 жыл бұрын
@@33m3c That's good, it's healthy to acknowledge your problems. It's the first step to overcoming them.
@33m3c
3 жыл бұрын
@@UpLateGeek lmao
@lukaskongstad2838
3 жыл бұрын
A crime is when you actively hurt someone or at least aid in it. Some people like drugs some don’t, if it isn’t being pushed down your throat (kind of like alcohol) it’s very unlikely more people will use. Equating it theft, murder or tax evasion is so harmful to all parties. It’s like outlawing extramarital sex or something like sodomy laws.
@lukaskongstad2838
3 жыл бұрын
@@canadiangeese4221 Yes, but we still consider them crazy. Actually I think Alabama still has sodomy laws.
@AEWYU
3 жыл бұрын
"turns out calling someone a racist is a terrible way of pursading people to agree with you, and vote for you" if only that worked on the us election...
@42069memes
3 жыл бұрын
Too many dealers in New Zealand happy staying underground and untaxed
@gdroce8569
3 жыл бұрын
I like your argument and it honestly makes sense buuut I'm a smoker and by that fact alone I disagree😜.. But great point nonetheless.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly why strategically going after my vote wasn't the move to make.
@franzfanz
3 жыл бұрын
I'm very disappointed with the hardcore yes supporters who seem to be blaming everyone but themselves for what transpired; the PM, the Opposition, youth voters, older voters etc... If they want this to pass then they need to learn from their mistakes and not blame others for failure as that will only turn more people off.
@charlesharleson4743
3 жыл бұрын
Not sure I appreciate some of the aspects of this video. Liking and commenting none the less, to encourage success for videos of this effort and style.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
It's good to consider opinions outside our usual bubbles.
@Neldonax
3 жыл бұрын
how tf didn't the i just wanna get high argument win
@ELUnderwood
3 жыл бұрын
Basically all we got out of this referendum is that opinion is divided and since it wasn't even binding the future is still uncertain. There shouldn't of been a referendum in my opinion.
@uhohhotdog
3 жыл бұрын
Cannabis should be fully legal for any use.
@rob_olmstead
3 жыл бұрын
If people who buy drugs are giving money to crime, then why shouldn't they be penalized by paying with money or even inside a cell? Leave your opinion here, and avoid offenses, pls.
@joule400
3 жыл бұрын
Problem with drugs isnt usually about people just wanting drugs, underlying issues such as stress, depression and such are what leads to drug use, punishing users doesnt stop the demand, an already depressed and stressed person who is now having to pay more money and or going to jail soon is likely to only be pushed further into drug abuse. What does stop demand is treatment, instead of seeing drugs as a crime issue, view it as a health issue, get drug users into counseling and rehabs instead of jail or debt, dont treat them like social outcasts and criminals because if they have no future due to that stigma they are once again going to be pushed to drugs If war on drugs worked, it would have already solved the drug problem, but it hasnt, and it wont, because as long as there are depressed stressed out people there will be demand for drugs, and someone will want the money those drugs can make them
@rob_olmstead
3 жыл бұрын
@@joule400 well, the war on drugs doesn't punish the users, but the producers and trafficants. In Malaysia, Vietnam and Singapore, countries where the use of drugs is punished, the addiction rate is pretty low.
@MrCmon113
2 жыл бұрын
Bcs they can't be purchased legally. If I'm in a house with no doors, I'll have to exit through the window.
@hamishbaird5400
3 жыл бұрын
Nz first actually changed the law so that police had discretion on when to press charges and could choose to if it was in the pubic good regardless of how insignificant the offence and they have chosen to continue to criminalise people for personal use amounts even though they don’t have to. the original law was worded so that they were not allowed to charge people who only had personal use amounts and refer them to health services
@karfomachet7265
3 жыл бұрын
Today New York becomes the 15th US state to legalize , well in NZ we have nothing ( except the black market ) . Had Helen Clark gone on TV and said vote yes so we can have thc vape products instead of the stupid statement about getting smokers to use cbd products instead of thc ones + had those weed users who were to lazy to vote or who sell and did not want to see there customers have another choice + had they campaigned on the positive effects legal weed has on lowering a countries suicide rate + had Cloe been just about the weed vote and not spent so all her time in Auck central and had those asian and sth African new comers not helped the no vote then things would be different .
@michaelpudney9368
3 жыл бұрын
For me personally it's not about whether you like the drug or not, it's about whether you want those who need it to depend on a black market to use it, or whether you want it to be run through a government regulated and studied market. This is especially the case since people who need it are still consuming the drug (alongside allot of other people), however, being a seasonal plant means that even with the current "decriminalization" the drug is often in short supply throughout most of the year, forcing it's consumers to once again resort to the black market to use a drug they need. This can be avoided if the drug was legalized and regulated by the government, preventing it from running on short supply and in turn killing the black market, developing more accurate studies and develop a fully understanding of what this drug is. 14 regions in Aotearoa still hold a majority count, meaning the government still do have the mandate to legalize it regionally if they wanted to.
@rahonui7
2 жыл бұрын
Informative video. It appears the referendum was set up in such a way that it would fail. I believe that Aunty Cindy waited to give her opinion on the matter until after the election as her PR team recommended to avoid the subject so as not to lose the votes of those boomers, like my parents, who believe that cannabis is basically heroin.
@kennethmclean872
3 жыл бұрын
Peter Dunne the same guy that made synthetics legal and on our streets,
@oldmangranny5oldmangranny56
3 жыл бұрын
Let's ban booze and tobacco already.
@jackhopewell1745
3 жыл бұрын
But what am I suppose to drink
@hvbhgcc5648
3 жыл бұрын
@@jackhopewell1745 Orange juice
@jackhopewell1745
3 жыл бұрын
@@hvbhgcc5648 you can drink orange juice without vodka? All news to me
@staffshi7413
3 жыл бұрын
Cannabis is a similar issue to abortion. Whether its harmful and whether the law should ban it are two separate issues. The Yes camp could've just said "my body my choice". It's easier for voters to understand.
@AlmostYourFavourite
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, since I am from Germany I don't know how saturated the informal sector in New Zealand with cannabis is but in Germany it wouldn't make any difference legalizing it. You can buy cannabis in any place from big cities to small towns with 1000 inhabitants (where I live) so everyone who wants to smoke already does but with the risk of seriously harming themselves because the drug might be altered (hair spray is pretty common) since the sector is not regulated. When I was still a minor it was easier for me to illegally get cannabis than alcohol because dealers don't have a minimum age. Considering this and the fact that alcohol is legal which is arguably way more harmful and addictive the ban of cannabis doesn't make any sense for me (at least in Germany). Not to mention how the legal system, the police and also the economy as a whole would benefit from legalization.
@AlmostYourFavourite
3 жыл бұрын
Anyway thank you for the informative video you got me very excited about New Zealand politics with your videos. Keep it up!
@samuelmelcher333
3 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting they didn’t run the individual liberty angle as much. It’s the one thing American Libertarians use to make themselves seem hip and cool, and though I’m definitely on the left side of things it’s also the argument I consider the most persuasive
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, especially as the libatarians were surging this election, I think if the yes camp had pushed that instead of the medical and criminal angles they may have won. But by pushing the medical angle they made the argument in the form of "I don't like drugs but ...". Making the libatarian argument could have contradicted that.
@Harsh_Marsh
3 жыл бұрын
Is there a significant black market in New Zealand for Cannabis? Because if there isn't then I could see consumption rising if legalized. In Canada and the US there definitely is/was a large black market simply because of the easier logistics of not being an island nation in the pacific.
@obsidianman50
3 жыл бұрын
Yes... NZ has one of the highest rates of cannabis use in the world and it’s almost ingrained in current youth culture to smoke weed or atleast try it, and it has been growing, speaking from first hand observations and experience. I got high for the first time one year before I got drunk for the first time, and it is literally because I couldn’t get access to alcohol as I had no 18+ friends and my parents wouldn’t supply it to me, but weed was everywhere.
@rhyse2744
3 жыл бұрын
Labour can still do the right thing and legalize cannabis as the referendum was non-binding.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
But Labour promised to uphold the result whatever it was. Are you suggesting politicians go back on their word!?
@amiscellaneoushuman3516
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 what? Politicians going back on their word? Never...
@thespanishinquisition4078
3 жыл бұрын
ah yes, do the right thing, by ignoring a democratic process they swore to uphold. tyranny? never heard of the concept!
@flimpeenflarmpoon1353
3 жыл бұрын
Brexit was non binding and look where we are
@AholeAtheist
3 жыл бұрын
@@thespanishinquisition4078 Tyranny would be abusing people's human rights because 50.7% of the population said so. Context matters.
@xereeto
3 жыл бұрын
good video but seriously why would you vote against legal weed? i thought you were smarter than that
@AholeAtheist
3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised too. Quite sad.
@thawhiteazn
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s an issue of intelligence, just a lack of information or perspective on the costs of prohibition. There’s all this talk about the negatives of legalization but seems to leave out the many negatives of it staying illegal.
@caseybanana8114
3 жыл бұрын
Get the props to vote on wedge issues, but rarely give them the opportunity to vote on cutting taxes or red tape. Gives the illusion of choice while still getting shafted by the system
@RockerTopper-hh3ru
3 жыл бұрын
Any law or code of ethics is only as valuable as the organization tasked with enforcing it can afford to do so without going bankrupt. Irrespective of one’s opinion on cannabis use, any nation or municipality which attempts actually reduce cannabis use to zero by making its use illegal will sooner become either bankrupt or a police state (and probably both) before such a hopelessly foolhardy objective is ever actually achieved. The same goes for other drugs and anything else with in elastic demand (that is, an increase in prices results in a less-than-proportional decrease in demand), such as alcohol, tobacco, and gasoline, which are not coincidentally the three highest-taxed commodities here in the states, because the inelasticity of the demand means that prices can be very high without much drop off in quantity demanded, so even though the customer is the one bearing most of the cost of any taxes imposed, there is still a steady stream of tax income that comes from it. Beyond that, banning drugs is an approach that attempts to solve a demand side problem with a supply side solution, and against the forces of supply and demand, this is almost the definition of an exercise in futility.
@partlyawesome
2 ай бұрын
that "the good place" reference!
@bernadmanny
9 ай бұрын
I'm also disappointed that Elizabeth Warren was not successful.
@Samm815
3 жыл бұрын
And to think this all started because a bunch of people in California didn't want Mexicans to take paper production away from the tree cutters. And Nixon! I forgot about Nixon!
@OK2BCK
3 жыл бұрын
yes, this is terrible legacy. i'd rather live in a world where alcohol possession is criminalized.
@freedomcash6127
3 жыл бұрын
How exactly are minorities affected by the criminalisation of cannabis, is it because they use it more thus get prosecuted? or is it organised crime related?
@dark_messiah8183
3 жыл бұрын
especially in settler colonial countries, the enforcement agencies disproportionately charge minorities with a crime if they can, regardless of whether or not the crime is done at the same level. For example, in the US, black and white people use cannabis at the same rates, but police are more likely to charge you if you’re black. I’ve heard it’s similar with Maori people in NZ.
@Innerlight320
Жыл бұрын
@@dark_messiah8183seperate issues. Racism exists and if you give a reason to be convicted more fool you
@compassionatecurmudgeon7025
3 жыл бұрын
I'm unhappy I dont get to live under president Warren too...
@TheNashNetwork
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I consider it a huge disappointment for New Zealand not to have passed the Marijuana bill.
@calebr7199
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine smoking a cigarette in one hand and cannabis in the other and getting arrested. This is a sad result for all the people of new zealand unfairly arrested for a harmless substance.
@SuperLifestream
3 жыл бұрын
The main problem with the Cannabus Referendum was that it was Legalization. Not Decriminalization. I approve for Decriminalize not Legalize. I don't think the govt should encourage selling and growing. Allow people to do it in their own time and their own will. But not to make a business out of it. However, i voted Yes
@thawhiteazn
3 жыл бұрын
People already make a business out of it. It’s called organized crime, pot being illegal creates and funds organized crime.
@germimonte
3 жыл бұрын
How's that "freedom" doing? Greetings from Uruguay
@scottbuchanan8300
3 жыл бұрын
6:54 David Cameron flashbacks 😰
@SnowBunneh
3 жыл бұрын
I voted yes in Ohio even though they were trying to legalize cannabis under a monopoly I don't think people's lives should be ruined over what they put in their body. Worst case scenario it should be treated as a medical issue and only violent criminals or people doing reckless endangerment (driving under the influence) should face the law.
@SnowBunneh
3 жыл бұрын
Ironically enough I moved to Colorado but haven't consumed any recreational cannabis. It makes me paranoid and it just isn't for me. I still feel decriminalizing, legalizing and regulating is the best solution and this nixon-era prohibition has done nothing but hurt people especially poor communities.
@cyberpunkworld
2 жыл бұрын
"Never heard of this stuff when I was young." If you say it like that, that's when you do have a point :))
@AllDayBlazer89
3 жыл бұрын
Decriminalization was the goal that was forgotten
@freibuis
3 жыл бұрын
I am in 2 thoughts about this.. when I was younger. I would have said no even tho I used it a little. now that I am older and don't use it I am for legalizing it.. go figure. maybe it's that I don't see it any different to alcohol and that's taxed to the hilt here in Australia.
@pfcokelly
3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand the focus on burning cannabis. With legalization comes cannabis culture and tax. My friends family and myself dry herb vape, oil vape and eat our thc but this comes from a a culture with recreational already so a bit bias.
@OK2BCK
3 жыл бұрын
exactly. it is pretty ignorant to compare it to tobacco that much. those who have no experience with cannabis are the most opinionated about it.
@ms.microwave5585
3 жыл бұрын
nice to see another kiwi on KZitem
@zerophoenix6758
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly though I disagree with the outcome (though as Australian I do not feel as if it is my place to really comment on foreign politics all too often) but honestly if I did more interesting how New Zealand as a unitary state differs from Australia as a federal state, your idea of what a referendum is very foreign to me personally at least :P But yes more bipartisan support is usually a good thing though, I disagree with the use of the terms left and right but I digress.
@AholeAtheist
3 жыл бұрын
You let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Without even understanding what the perfect actually is either. What a joke.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
If this was presented in a less condensing way it might have been the best argument against my position. But it's also the argument for why the yes supporters should have pushed for decriminalisation first.
@decarbonatedsprite8382
3 жыл бұрын
What is the background music? Is there a link for it?
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
It's custom for the channel.
@portuguescanuck9808
3 жыл бұрын
Laughs in Canadian as I hit a toke...
@michaelwoodhams7866
3 жыл бұрын
What software do you use to make these videos?
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Photoshop, Illustrator, Premiere Pro, After Effects, and Audition.
@michaelwoodhams7866
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 Thank you very much.
@davecreek296
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think well, I wonder if this is over thought? It would be interesting to know more about the voters. I believe that as NZ has an alcohol culture that is run by business, what the ratio of yes voters was to no voters. When business has a stake in cannabis sales etc then the balance will tip. The problem is that alcohol users can say cannabis users are 'druggies" and they are bad which means alcohol is good. I say this as I do not use alcohol and I do not use cannabis or other recreational drugs. I have heard both sides over the years. I voted yes because as far as I am concerned, both chemicals are the same value. If alcohol is legal then so should cannabis be. Fair and Square. I believe alchoholies are a worse drain, negative effect on the community than ALL druggies put together. Cannabis at least has a medical benefit, What medical benefit does alcohol consumption have. Cheers Dave Creek NZ
@kevinolmedo675
3 жыл бұрын
Voters on both sides focused on how to minimize harm from drugs... *laughs in rehab volunteer who helps addicts*
@jonajohnston3174
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair. I'm actually happy NZ does referendums for these type of legal choices. In my Country only the Politicians decide what to do here even if it is a ''Democratic Country'' . A country that is just an island just like NZ but terribly managed by corrupts. The Dominican Republic. A 3rd World Country for no reason.
@leehaiko3999
3 жыл бұрын
Time to take notes, to make sure weed doesn't become legal here
@Gordons1888
3 жыл бұрын
The acceptance and glorification of cannabis annoys me, it has ruined the lives of many people I know and yet people glorify it as if it is a wonder drug sent by God with no draw backs
@Shirokroete
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I've heard "It's not a gateway drug!!" from too many addicts at this point. It's a nice high yet so many people treat it as a panacea. They also pretend they're not addicted, even when their day is ruined when they don't get their 3 joints.
@Gordons1888
3 жыл бұрын
@@Shirokroete even when used by itself my mate turned into a paranoid mess and his grades took a nose dive, he would act up in class and eventually dropped out of school, along with the rest of the pot heads
@username65585
3 жыл бұрын
You know what ruins more lives? Throwing people in jail for drugs.
@Shirokroete
3 жыл бұрын
@@username65585 At what point should people take responsibility, though? Treating addicts as criminals isn't right, yeah. But the problem of substance abuse stands. It doesn't go away from just saying "do whatever". Decriminalization and sanctioning of substance abuse is the answer. Maybe don't throw addicts in jail, but more so a mandatory detox with (good) support for reintegration into society. Remove the stigma for addicts and the glorification of drugs in media.
@Gordons1888
3 жыл бұрын
@@username65585 not really... considering none of my mates have been arrested for it
@paticemd
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, though the comparison to the Democratic presidential primary in the US is not your hottest take and a gross oversimplification
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Aren't all KZitem videos a gross oversimplification?
@daddyleon
3 жыл бұрын
0:33 may I ask what made you become a swinger on the cannabis front?
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
There is a later footnote that explains that my stance is more if an anti-smoking position than anti-drugs. The second hand smoke in the Netherlands is the worst part of living here and it's not a direction that I wanted NZ to go. Like it or not the electorate would send a signal the cannabis is ok if they voted yes.
@daddyleon
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 Yes, I saw that. I saw that more as a sway in one direction, but I'm guessing now that the other direction would be something like the freedom argument?
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, primarily the freedom argument. I also dislike the bias in enforcement, however that alone isn't enough for me. I believe black people are more likely to be convicted of murder, but that doesn't mean we should legalise murder.
@daddyleon
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 Well...sometimes murder seems 'ok', like with war. But, yeah, "you're a racist if you're not pro-weed", is a bit of a stretch. Thanks :)
@callistine8559
3 жыл бұрын
Omg I've never been second before 🥺
@andrewtully3622
3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, the Maori were eating people.
@pottingsoil
3 жыл бұрын
They're not anymore?
@Ddeletham
3 жыл бұрын
How this worthless argument of "It makes it more easily available" still is used everywhere even though it hasn't been true for a long time. Here in Germany they use it as well, although in cities like Berlin it's possible to order Weed and have it delivered in under an hour. Legalising it doesn't change anything about the availability, but changes a lot about quality control and youth protection. The more legal customers exist the less the dealers get and therefore the state gets more control over who consumes, what do they consume and how much.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
I know a mum who voted no because her young adult daughter said she probably wouldn't try it because it was illegal, but would if it were legalised. Ultimately cold hard statistics are not all that persuasive to an average voter.
@zachneal5751
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084 I don't know about you but when I was a teenager most kids who smoked it would have told their parents that they had and would never touch it, so I feel like you can't really trust what kids say to their parents about this
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
I think that depends on the relationship you have with your kid.
@Tony.H03
3 жыл бұрын
I never do this but.... First?
@finnchapman5435
3 жыл бұрын
you shouldn't have done that >:(
@Tony.H03
3 жыл бұрын
@@finnchapman5435 I'm so sorry.. The field was so empty. So beautiful. Like crisp snow. I couldn't resist. Please forgive me.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
Well done, one day when KZitem removes Premieres, if I'm large enough I may bring back the certificate.
@FastEddy1959
3 жыл бұрын
It is NOT the role of government to protect us from ourselves!
@Fatkiller22
3 жыл бұрын
I mean i support euthanasia and cannabis use but I still just can not understand how assisted suicide gets almost a 70% yes and being able to smoke weed doesn't.. I mean smoking might help someone out enough so they wouldn't even want to go through with euthanasia. Crazy.
@johnbeechy
3 жыл бұрын
// to assume a Theory makes logical sense is to imply the cannabis would be more dangerous as a smoked element than tobacco... .. I C the argument.. and the common Folk would Know a truth if they knew had all the evidence and still were conned into a narrow minded view of how logic it is../ Look,.,. many folks that Live on an island should not smoke nor eat items that will slow them down.. and that should include booze too.. because drinking is more dangerous to the liver and to the other drivers .. smoking Tabacco is far more dangerous than smoking weed/maryjane/watt light bulb u name it, it is a cash crop and the Opium trade was a THING and still is.. so there be the rub... if u do not Join the masses and allow the small % to float their minds to a couch .. with body and toe, U can afford to demand them UP all and that Not down with the weed, to Be busy with their idle hands. If u remove a downer.. then the bodies will be Up and then they may well act out more often.. PTSD types that cant handle being 2nd class types due to their being new Zs and not one of the other islanders or from that Large continent over to There.. by the Horizon. ... IF IF not.. then there is the kill them softly test.. and the option of suicide makes more sense to logic on an island.. its only an island if u look at it from the water. or from the sky.. (JAWS)../ its not for them to live longer and sure not high while taking the pain... so let them suffer until they need suicide by Dr.,. its legal to do that and veterans of all life need to know hat in hand that a nation in the ocean of seas will allow them to die .. .. but they wont let u die by weed because its NOT Possible.. the body will shut down but the body passes out.. If there is too much alcohol in the body at the same time, a vomit by the drinking can Up end a body during a past time of sleep.. if the body is facing down its all Good. but if facing Up and U become known as an ex drummer of led Zeppelin ...RIP John B.. RIP.. ... less deaths by use of weed.. but its ok.. now with the law.. the death can be made legal... sign Up for out with U duty... how much does a IS agent make for playing Dr??.. IS and AQ agents and all them that hate the N Zs might offer Free services to be them that get to perform the End the pain routine....lolol.... // I get it .. but none of the people that are about to deal with an inferiority complex need to be so UP all day long.. they need more chill on a couch and in hale or by mouth digestion.... alcohol is far more danger danger will robinson and so is the use of tabacco.. cancer is more likely with tab and less since weed is used by cancer patients.. logic dics to the taint for them that have a Ending.. thanks for the upload.. may the virus not take them away as they seem to want Drs to.
@jeanlannes5930
3 жыл бұрын
1:27 nice reference
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
That one was actually my wife's idea. It's a great show though so one she said it, it had to be done.
@jonathanrotem251
3 жыл бұрын
Killing people - yes. A plant - no.
@waltdistel716
3 жыл бұрын
bad argument. smoking isn't the only method of consuming cannabis. criminalize smoking if that's the concern.
@michaelh4831
3 жыл бұрын
Congratulating candidates before elections are over is in bad taste for someone who makes informational videos about elections.
@sadsad3516
3 жыл бұрын
ヘロイン、大麻は禁止です。
@marrqi7wini54
3 жыл бұрын
4:20 (How fitting for the video.) If only Twitter could understand this...
@joshuahillerup4290
3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty opposed to referendums in general. They're just an excuse for politicians to avoid doing their jobs.
@Soliloquy084
3 жыл бұрын
I had the same feeling while I was trying to make my decision. I spent an entirely unreasonable amount of time thinking about it, and I'm privileged to be able too. Some people just wouldn't have the time to do that. So I thought it would be good idea if we pay a group of people to have a detailed debate and inquiry about these complicated issues and then they should make the decision on our behalf.
@Innerlight320
Жыл бұрын
@@Soliloquy084And that group voted no so good result me thinks😂
@nicoheintel3212
3 жыл бұрын
Its a shame that Cannabis is illegal in so many countries ^^ Give the people more freedom and liberty, let them decide what they want to do! Everyone can choose for themselves as long as they are not hurting someone else...
Пікірлер: 368