This discussion about pre-modern localism reminds me of a story about the English Civil War. Parliamentary and Roundhead forces were approaching each other to give battle only to find a man ploughing a field between them. A soldier approached him asking him to get out of the way. It turned out the ploughman didn't know there was a war on but was curious to find out who was fighting whom.
@meicpearse3422
Ай бұрын
Fabulous!
@dzeremy13
Ай бұрын
Yet 19th century Montenegro produced one of the most outstanding poets and philosophers in the human history. You are overly simplifying some things, plus Montenegro is now very far from “wild”, it’s safer than any Western capital. This garden vs jungle shit is why so many have issues with the West (issues, not hate).
@michaelpearse5603
Ай бұрын
A mere single (but illuminating) quotation from one Montenegrin was never going to be enough to divert the entire discussion to an exposition of Montenegro in recent centuries. In that respect *everything* is 'oversimplified'; we are dealing in general trends - not your auntie's personal circumstances and character. And the 'wild' was not a reference to present levels of violence, but to the absence of rather a lot of creature comforts (incl., I might add, non-corrupt officialdom); and the propensity of local restaurateurs and hoteliers to charge a lot for a little. Despite its enormous charms, inner Montenegro is not a place to be recommended unreservedly to inexperienced or unhardened travellers. The fleeting reference, then, was hardly unfair - as anybody who has comparative knowledge of CG and of (say) Slovenia would immediately confirm. Now, off the high horse, please....
@dzeremy13
Ай бұрын
@@michaelpearse5603 You went from tribes and blood feuds to bad hotel service in one and a half sentence, both denoted as "wild". OK... I am not here to defend Montenegro's tourism (I love them, but I better keep quiet about what I have to say :D ), I was simply struck with the way you talked about it. It had so much vibe of the (in)famous mr. Borrell's speech. On the other hand, by painting these people the way you did, so far away from your audience, you actually lost a lot. I have met people who still think like that and also had a lousy hotel service in London (speaking of that) within a few months, I have experienced the difference you are talking about and it has nothing to do with being "wild", in whatever sense. But there's that annoying bias you had to use and it's so funny considering the title of the video. By the way, I am near Kotor at the moment. If you were here, I'd gladly buy you a beer and we could discuss this. It's not like I am looking for "blood" here, but, yeah, I do claim some typical western bias here that gets people east of the mentioned Slovenia a bit pissed when it surfaces. So... to be fair, I am not pulling away from the main discussion.
@michaelpearse5603
Ай бұрын
@@dzeremy13 Thank you!! Mine's a Nikšičko. (Though, tbh, I already had one today, and there are several more waiting impatiently in the fridge.) :P I assure you, if you think me prejudiced against CG, you are entirely mistaken.
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