Finally someone with common sense too many people in the Skyrim community side with the empire the lap dogs of the thalmore no one realizes that the storm folks are standing up for what's truly important maybe not in the short term but in the medium and long term for sure
@dovikien1758
2 жыл бұрын
I would argue short term yes long term absolutely not
@MikadoYuma
2 жыл бұрын
@@dovikien1758 Long term they will still be better off. Having a leader like Ulfric will be much better for Skyrim. Most skyrim citizens will help the stormcloaks after the empire loses. Also, the God of war, Talos, will surely be on their side. Ulfric knows for a fact that the Falmor aren't making any moves soon, which is true, and thats why they wanted the war to go on longer. The biggest threat is the Empire sending a second army, which only proves how power hungry they are and how little they care about the people of Skyrim. They're willing to fight and invade again just to keep their.. Dominion over it. Having one of the Grey-Mains held and tortured by the thalmor was enough for me to know that the legion is evil. Even more so once I saw how much they have betrayed and lied to Ulfric, their second strongest man in Skyrim (politically), and a man who may have "cheated" to defeat Torygg, but who else has the power to shout? Shouldn't a ruler have a trump card like that in their pocket? Skyrim will have a strong, fighting high king who hesitated to even attack whiterun, he mourned having to do that, so much so that he had to be encouraged and reminded how much this war needed to happen.
@GenericUsername-qp1ww
Жыл бұрын
@@MikadoYuma yup, its also something that Empire lapdogs dont understand, Skyrim isn't Cyrodill, Skyrim is where some of the hardiest warrior's of Tamriel come from and as a result they have a much firmer respect for warriors than politician's which the Empire is full of (incredibly corrupt politician's in the Mede Empire) and so lets be honest, Elisif the Naïve isn't exactly a very inspiring leader; a woman who sits back and lets others do everything for her, is second guessed even by those in her own court (the amount of stupid choices she tries to make constantly being shot down by her advisors is ridiculous) all the while she gets blackmailed by the Empire, meanwhile Ulfric joins his men on the final push to Solitude and is a veteran soldier who fought against the elven Nazi's the corrupt Empire are helping. Siding with the Empire isn't siding with Skyrim, its siding with a foreign nation.
@ladygrey7425
3 ай бұрын
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww I just wish that I wasn't so morally conflicted on the whole thing due to Balgruuf. I know that there's a mod that lets Balgruuf join up with Ulfric, but gods, in the base game it's so difficult to chose - does my character abide by the oath they swore as a thegn to their liege lord, or do they break faith and sack the city with a "usurper"?
@GenericUsername-qp1ww
3 ай бұрын
@@ladygrey7425 the problem with Balgruuf is that I've noticed he's a TERRIBLE father. There is a cut quest where the Mephala quest has u kill Balgruuf and replace him with Hrongar. If Balgruuf was paying attention he'd find out about his son talking with Mephala, also his daughter is kinda a Braith-style brat
@MikadoYuma
2 жыл бұрын
Having a leader like Ulfric will be much better for Skyrim. Most skyrim citizens will help the stormcloaks after the empire loses. Also, the God of war, Talos, will surely be on their side. Ulfric knows for a fact that the Falmor aren't making any moves soon, which is true, and thats why they wanted the war to go on longer. The biggest threat is the Empire sending a second army, which only proves how power hungry they are and how little they care about the people of Skyrim. They're willing to fight and invade again just to keep their.. Dominion over it. Having one of the Grey-Mains held and tortured by the thalmor was enough for me to know that the legion is evil. Even more so once I saw how much they have betrayed and lied to Ulfric, their second strongest man in Skyrim (politically), and a man who may have "cheated" to defeat Torygg, but who else has the power to shout? Shouldn't a ruler have a trump card like that in their pocket? Skyrim will have a strong, fighting high king who hesitated to even attack whiterun, he mourned having to do that, so much so that he had to be encouraged and reminded how much this war needed to happen.
@ClaytonNeuner
2 жыл бұрын
Ahh, finally… another true son of Skyrim.
@Jaymariota27
Жыл бұрын
So basically the Empire Emperor was a coward
@peterparker1683
Жыл бұрын
How would the Empire fair any better in the second Great War when they nearly lost the first one when they were United? This doesn’t even count. The fact that Hammerfell and Morrowind are no longer apart of the empire anyway? Seriously, how *WOULD* they fair any better?
@dutchpatriot17
Жыл бұрын
The fact that the Empire is militarily superior now than it was back then?
@calansmith1481
10 ай бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 brother you must be trolling with this statement XD
@dutchpatriot17
10 ай бұрын
@@calansmith1481 Situation in 4E 171: -Imperial military was in a greatly weakened state. -Imperial military was scattered across the Empire. -Imperial military was caught off guard. -Aldmeri anticipated a far stronger Imperial force when invading. Situation in 4E 201: -Imperial military has been actively rebuilding its forces for the past 25 years. -Full focus on the Aldmeri threat. -Bulk of the Imperial military is on the border with the Dominion. -Dominion underestimates the Empire due to previous success. Unsure how being objective is trolling.
@calansmith1481
10 ай бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 thats great and all despite the fact the Empire is still stretched thin in resources. It is actively stated throughout the game. The whole "rebuilding" the past 25 years statement is a joke at this point, when they are simply in the calm aftermath in reestablishment, not a legitimate rebuild. The empire signed their deaths the moment they signed that treaty, because they now cannot do anything without the knowledge of the thalmor.....kinda like a parent has over their little kid. None of those points are legitimate as they have been torn down by Stormcloak, neutral, and hell, even Imperial bias alike. And by the way, if the Empire was extremely weak then, its even worse now..... so yeah, I dont see how youre not trolling.
@dutchpatriot17
10 ай бұрын
@@calansmith1481 That's a lot of baseless claims you got there. Funny how unlike you, I can support my claims. One only has to read "The Great War" for the status in 4E 171. As for the present? Rebuilding efforts: Stated in the Great War. Bulk of the Imperial military being on the border: General Tullius. Aldmeri underestimating the Empire: Ondolemar and generic Justiciars. Try again.
@CommanderM117
3 жыл бұрын
I would say the Stormcloak bible bring up some fairly good point tho it does miss some thing. and I play as a Dunmer I used to be an Empire Loyalist but the Empire is not what it once was and I will not suffer any longer fighting for an Empire that won't fight for my People the Empire I cared about Died with Martin Septim may the Gods watch over his soul
@dutchpatriot17
3 жыл бұрын
The Stormcloak Bible's been debunked years ago.
@lorelord2272
3 жыл бұрын
Based. I actually haven't heard of the Stormcloak Bible myself, until now.
@CommanderM117
3 жыл бұрын
@@lorelord2272 here's the link then colonel-killa-bee.tumblr.com/post/69423051613/stormcloak-bible-index-updated-may-24-2018 their are some bit that are missing from it and it goes into more of the economics and statistics bits but overall it a good read.
@dutchpatriot17
3 жыл бұрын
@@CommanderM117 Pity it's been entirely debunked.
@thebk247
3 жыл бұрын
Majority of Dunmer hate the Empire. House Redoran and House Telvanni the most.
@JW-zx5dr
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, back in 2011 I used to side with the Empire because they looked like Romans. When I got into the lore a few years back, my allegiance shifted to the Stormcloaks and I usually always side with them and am usually a Nord. The only disadvantage is making Balgruuf sad. On the other hand, I also really like the Aldmeri Dominion, when I play as a high elf I sometimes sympathise with their just hate for Talos seeing what he did to their homeland. (I don’t play as a high-elf often in Skyrim. But I do have allegiances with the First Aldmeri Dominion as I play as my main character is a High Elf in ESO.) Just a quick note: The First Aldmeri Dominion in ESO (2nd Era) isn’t necessarily bad either, I think a few people assume it to be like the Third Aldmeri Dominion in the 4th Era.
@lorelord2272
2 жыл бұрын
That's true, the Second Aldmeri Dominion wasn't controlled by the Thalmor
@snusey3642
2 жыл бұрын
The number one essential computer mod is to convince balgruuf to join the stormcloaks
@Ed_man_talking9
8 ай бұрын
when i play as a high elf he's either an amoral vampire/necromancer stabbing everyone in the back for personal gain or his parents are thalmor scum aside from his real father being a nord sellsword, the latter could easily be confused as a handsome, discount uncle ruckus of Skyrim.
@SmartAss4123
Ай бұрын
I dont think the dominion can be beat in a direct fight either. Honestly it makes more sense that the High elves themselves will actually turn on the Thalmor government when they figure out what they actually are planning to do with the Towers of nirn. People forget the first nation the Thalmor conquered was Summerset itself, they plied lies and played upon the High elves hatred of what Tiber Septim did with the Numidium because he couldnt beat them
@insch.9547
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explain. But GOD ! Please.. Not the FPS lag
@Mr.Joshuwa
2 ай бұрын
You said timer septum and then Titus need did you mix those two up
@ak4708
2 жыл бұрын
Mate neither of them are right in my opinion they are just as bad as each other but I just chose the one side that looked cooler which was stormcloaks imo lol 😂😂
@dutchpatriot17
3 жыл бұрын
4:05 The book literally states that not all the terms of the ultimatum were present in the Concordat. There is no source stating the tributes were still part of the Concordat, therefore, until later proof is provided, it's not part of the Concordat. 4:36 The Empire "ceded land" which the Dominion had already by and large conquered in Hammerfell. Additionally, the Talos ban wouldn't be enforced until Ulfric's shenanigans at Markarth. Nobody cared about the ban prior to that. 5:39 I find it funny how during this whole section, Ulfric's cooperation and contact with the Thalmor is conveniently overlooked. Let's just ignore the fact that Ulfric demands free Talos worship when the ban isn't enforced. That the Empire accepts his term and tries to keep it silent... And that then the Thalmor - who Ulfric had direct contact with - suddenly found out... What a coincidence... 8:12 Protect its citizens, eh? Like Ulfric and Skald who send out so many guards in the war that they can't keep their own Holds safe? Like Ulfric who cares more for the throne than the Dragon threat? 8:40 Lol no. This is utter nonsense. The Empire signed a peace treaty. It's not a puppet state in the slightest. 9:22 There are no tributes. The Empire getting ready for another war with the Dominion is a bad thing, now is it? You need money, men, and resources to build an army.
@lorelord2272
3 жыл бұрын
1: Not sure how this necessarily supports your argument but I did say that may or may not have been the case.
@lorelord2272
3 жыл бұрын
2: Yes but the Empire still willingly surrendered them. 3: Ulfric didn't do anything wrong in Markarth.
@lorelord2272
3 жыл бұрын
4: Again, all arguments against the Stormcloaks will be addressed in separate videos. 5: That's not what lore says. Lore says it was banned after the Markarth Incident. You said so, yourself.
@lorelord2272
3 жыл бұрын
6: What-about-ism fallacy. 7: Then why does the Empire still do the Dominion's bidding, regardless if whether or not said bidding is mentioned in the treaty?
@lorelord2272
3 жыл бұрын
8: Like I said, that they served the purposes governments are supposed to in return.
@gabezx4847
3 жыл бұрын
This is just wrong lmao
@lorelord2272
3 жыл бұрын
No u
@kevinnk5584
2 жыл бұрын
Kinda like how the Empire is a client state to the Dominion
@bigsmoke5884
2 жыл бұрын
Virgin imperial
@ala1178
2 жыл бұрын
Wizard stormcloak
@CallumDT
3 жыл бұрын
For me I have 2 big reasons I am a stormcloak through and through. These two reasons always stump imperials and make them go, oh. NO1 If the stormcloaks win, they and Hammerfel can unite to push out the thalmor. If the imperials win skyrims people will be broken and weak, talos will also weaken. And if the imperials win they have no allies because they betrayed them all. They will continue waiting for yet another 20 years. Skyrim will become a high elven slave state just like cyrodil. NO2 If Ulfric is a thalmor asset then the imperials are more so. The imperials are the thalmors bitches, rather than allies. Cowards who run wherever the thalmor point. The only reason the thalmor won the great war was because of vaeminas orb. Now its the time for the imperials to turn around. To tie both points together the thalmor have even written ''A stormcloak victory is also to be avoided', thus because of the word also the imperials are an asset too because they don't want the imperials to win either. ' the only difference between the stormcloaks and imperials winning is that the stormcloaks stand a chance with Hammerfel and other allies that the imperials should they win would not have becuase they betrayed them when they abandoned them.
@dutchpatriot17
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, look. It's you again. Remember when I debunked your points but you refused to accept it?
@imthepotato2727
2 жыл бұрын
Wait in what video I need to see it
@jurikurthambarskjelfir3533
2 жыл бұрын
Don't listen to the Dutch fool. He is a scholar supremacist.
@teyrncousland7152
Жыл бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 Not really all you do is repeat your arguments ad nauseam until the other party get tired and then you delude yourself into winning that argument simply for having the last word, even though the other party has already invalidated your position.
@dutchpatriot17
Жыл бұрын
@@teyrncousland7152 Not in the slightest. Unlike the claims of most Stormcloak supporters (your own included), my claims are backed up by sources.
@dragonbornofnerevar1661
2 жыл бұрын
For Skyrim!
@kasraharichehpour3553
2 жыл бұрын
Fight and die well, Talos guide you !
@dragonbornofnerevar1661
2 жыл бұрын
@@kasraharichehpour3553 You too, Brother!
@anthonyp6896
11 ай бұрын
I'm glad that the red guards kicked the dominions ass
@bloster_ant
Ай бұрын
Absolutely. To me it shows that the Empire panicked about losing another province and tightened their grip on Skyrim rather than let them go like Hammerfell, which further alienates the people of Skyrim and reduces the likelihood that there could be a future alliance between the liberated Redguards and Nords with the Empire to fight against the Dominion.
@alt-monarchist
2 жыл бұрын
Good job. Although there are like 100 more reasons explaining why the Stormcloaks are the good guys
@drewsirry9118
2 жыл бұрын
The stormcloaks will rebuild skyrim, then restore the empire to the way it should have been.
@MotorcycleCheetah
2 жыл бұрын
Eeehhh, well I’m certain they will rebuild Skyrim but, maybe they could help the Dragonborn take over the Empire? After all, there are many who would want a Dragonborn Emperor due to cultural and historical significance. Food for thought.
@neimenovani7256
Ай бұрын
Now that is a cause I could get behind
@thebk247
3 жыл бұрын
The Thalmor are using the WGC to bolster a large enough force in Skyrim while idiot Tullius holds the door open for them. The Thalmor are conquering Skyrim the exact way they did Valenwood
@serronserron1320
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Even if the Legions are secretly preparing for a second war they may never get the permission to mobilize because as you see at the embassy parties it is shown the Thalmor has many politicians in their pocket. The Stormcloaks are addressing the problem right now instead of far in the future when it's too late.
@GilbertTheWeird
2 жыл бұрын
The thing is, The Emperor tried to just give half of Hammerfell to the Aldmeri Dominion after denying their initial demands and getting dunked on. Like, that's like a US President giving quite a few of their states up to Russia because they almost got demolished. I can't support that, tbh.
@lucasugafan4419
2 жыл бұрын
Stormcloaks forever!
@Mirinovic
2 жыл бұрын
For Empire that Talos fundated!
@kasraharichehpour3553
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mirinovic Septim empire is gone, I won't fight for the Mede
@Mirinovic
2 жыл бұрын
@@kasraharichehpour3553 It is stile sme empire Only suthern provinc an haf of Hamerfell was lost!
@kasraharichehpour3553
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mirinovic Morrowind is gone due to Events of the Red year, Argonia is seceded, Alinor, Valenwood and Elsywer now enjoy the rulership of the Aldemeri Dominion, there is a great plague happening in high rock and Hammerfell took it's independence from the empire after the white gold concordent cos they didn't want to give the Thalmor southern Hammerfell and successfully wiped out the Dominion from Hammerfell and signed the second treaty of Stros M'akai so Mede Empire is left only with Half of Skyrim due to civil war and Cyrodill. But with all this things my argument is about something else.
@kasraharichehpour3553
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mirinovic what I meant when I said "Septim Empire" is gone is that Septim Empire is gone during the Oblivion Crisis Emperor Uriel Septim and Martin Septim last members of the Septim Dynasty died (Sacrificed themselves) and 17 years after the event a Colovian Warlord with less than a thousand men and assist of a Daedric sword captured the Imperial city and crowned himself as Titus Mede I (founder of the 4th empire (current empire)) and from then to now Mede dynasty showed themselves nothing but incapable of ruling over Tamerial, as someone said however tells you that The Empire (during Skyrim events) was founded by Tiber Septim himself is lying to you Mede Empire was founded by a warlord Titus Mede I, they are nothing but pretenders. Septim Empire is gone and Martin Septim was the last legitimate (although he was a basterd) Emperor to the Tamriellic Empire.
@Tigermanprevatt4498
2 жыл бұрын
Down with the thalmore all hail TALOS!!!!!!
@DjangoFatt
2 жыл бұрын
Stormcloaks>Imperials since 2011
@uptown_rider8078
2 жыл бұрын
Skyrim belongs to the Nords!
@lionheart4282
2 жыл бұрын
Based and nordpilled
@Vult_Ira317
11 ай бұрын
I was an empire but now I'm a stormcloaks enjoyer
@kasraharichehpour3553
2 жыл бұрын
Your arguments are awesome I really wish to see more about the Stormcloacks and Elder Scrolls. Damn those faithless Imperials, Talos guide you !
@toxicfoot6792
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's common sense when you dive deep into the lore. The Empire already lost, they are basically the thalmor's militia. Plus in game benefits are way better. Empire just pays more. No more thalmor randomly attacking you, and Talos shrine in solitude. Lore wise seems better as well a united Skyrim that's free.
@dutchpatriot17
2 жыл бұрын
The Empire is vastly superior to the Stormcloaks and a far better chance to defeat the Dominion.
@toxicfoot6792
2 жыл бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 The empire couldn't defeat the Dominion the first time. Issue is they would stand a better chance, but the white gold concordant makes it impossible to counter attack. Thalmor troop's can freely flank the imperial legion, and have spies everywhere to tell the plans the legion has. The Thalmor already OWN the empire the legion has 0 chance of fighting unless something changes.
@dutchpatriot17
2 жыл бұрын
@@toxicfoot6792 The Empire was weaker then than it is now... Also, no, the Thalmor do not have spies in the Legion. This kind of Stormcloak propaganda isn't an argument.
@Mirinovic
2 жыл бұрын
@@toxicfoot6792 So why you think that skyrim alone will do batter?
@MotorcycleCheetah
2 жыл бұрын
Hammerfell alone beat back the dominion and forced them out. They did what the Mede Empire couldn’t. Explain your way around that.
@ak4708
2 жыл бұрын
Stormcloaks
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay
Ай бұрын
If taxes are the price we pay in order to live in a civilized society, most Americans who both think and work want their money back.
@SmartAss4123
Ай бұрын
I agree Skyrim is better off without the empire. But I do think the Imperials still have a superior Military, Tullius made that pretty clear in a few months of his arrival.
@GothWolfRants
Ай бұрын
Which faction tried to cut my head off even though I wasn’t on the list?
@brothers_of_nod
2 күн бұрын
Excellently written analysis.
@folkishappalachian6827
24 күн бұрын
But when I say why Himmler was right im a dickhead? Shit wait this isn't telegram XD
@WarriorLst-sk5qq
23 күн бұрын
Comparing Ulfric to Himmler is wild.
@serronserron1320
2 жыл бұрын
Cool.
@mattpower6903
10 ай бұрын
Talos is taking belief from Lorkhan, the being that created Nirn. Talos is being put at a higher level of worship than Akatosh who is most likely Lorkhan impersonating Ariel. The Empire is why every man on the continent is no longer in chains. But you'd actually have to have a working knowledge of the whole picture of elderscrolls. This video only makes sense because you're looking at it from the microscope of just what's been going on in the 4th era. You need to look at Talos himself. He basically tells the Nerevarine that he hates his life and being a god. Suggesting that a change might be needed. The events that created Talos revolve around murder, deception, and working with the false tribunal to achieve what he did. Talos is the only god who doesn't follow the normal pattern for how mortals achieve divinity. For all intents and purposes Talos is the only demon that could be in the universe. And the only thing that will ever protect the interest and freedom of men in Tamriel is and Empire with a Dragon at its center. And the dragon born is gonna give his throne to Ulfic?
@evanoconnell9448
2 жыл бұрын
Ok so you lost me 2 minutes in.....tiber septim refused the aldmeri ultimatum and thats why the great war started......tiber septim? The nord who died before the oblivion crisis and became talos.....? I think you meant titus mede
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