I am so tired of people saying it would "look political" if the court overturns Roe v. Wade. The court has long been political. Roe v. Wade was a political decision. The court has been making political rulings since 1857 if not sooner. The concept that the court could keep the law distinct from politics would require a policy of trying to strictly interpret the Constitution based on an idea called "original understanding". This is an idea that no liberals want. While many conservatives pay lip service to it, I think those who strictly adhere to it are uncommon. In practical terms I do not see how we can keep politics out of it. the truth is almost none of us really want to.
@dragonflarefrog1424
2 жыл бұрын
Roe v Wade was the correct decision. It was not political and the right way
@VictorAntares
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, neat video concept. Keep em coming ATD!
@lauriehammers4686
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for discussing it. I was beginning to wonder if 538 was going to ignore the subject. The court's decision will effect the 2022 election outcomes. The question is how much. Hope there's some good polling on abortion and voting before the election.
@DK3CHAMP
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think so. When Ginsberg died, and the Republicans fast tracked Barrett, this was supposed to light a fire under Liberals. What happened? Biden bare won in three different states. Here's the truth. Abortion may be more popular, but it simply isn't a number one priority for most pro abortionist. While Pro-Life it is usually the top priority. There are a decent number of Republicans who are pro-abortion. They will remain Republicans, even if this gets overturned. It is not how popular something is. It is all about how important something is in the eyes of the American public.
@floydblandston108
2 жыл бұрын
RiotGrrrlll Summer- I remember it well. The simple fact is that the Republican party used abortion the same way they used Civil Rights legislation; as a wedge issue to separate white/religious voters from the Democratic party they had sided with for economic reasons since Roosevelt. We won this one.
@andrewsoboeiro6979
2 жыл бұрын
“Anti-abortion” is the neutral term. Calling that movement “pro-life” accepts the dubious premise that life begins at conception while ignoring the fact that abortion restrictions kill people.
@raymondmeyers8983
2 жыл бұрын
PP vs Casey is why I’m not holding my breath on this case.
@selfishcapitalist3523
2 жыл бұрын
I predict they'll uphold Mississippi law without overturning Roe.
@dragonflarefrog1424
2 жыл бұрын
:(
@EmpressTiffanyOfBrittany
2 жыл бұрын
Anybody who who thinks they're some kind of libertarian or anti-government but thinks that states should be allowed to ban abortion are a bad joke.
@柒頭-q8q
2 жыл бұрын
states should not ban abortion, but the people do, if a majority of states said abortion is illegal then it is illegal,as abortion is not a explicit constitutional right like the right of free speech. It should be up to the people in each state
@EmpressTiffanyOfBrittany
2 жыл бұрын
@@柒頭-q8q People compose a state, unless the state is corrupt and is gerrymandered to shit by politicians, which too many states are. I never addressed how it should be, I just said that you are not a libertarian or anti-government if you think it should ban abortion services. State fascists should keep their big noses out of people's business.
@michaelclark4876
2 жыл бұрын
@@柒頭-q8q Just as a note, the 9th amendment states "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people" So just because something isn't explicitly stated as a right doesn't mean it isn't one. The 9th amendment clearly indicates that unenumerated rights could still be rights.
@Charity-vm4bt
2 жыл бұрын
I think the pro-abort people here are basically saying that pro-life people didn't care enough about stopping murder of preborn or did not fight hard enough. Therefore, those who are pro-life need to continue to work together to encourage people to practice chastity. Abortion needs to be called murder rights or killing rights. Those two words do not go together. Most females have natural, instinctive repugnance to killing their own child. Some of the cells of the aborted baby remain in the mother's body forever, so she can never forget the child she thought she got rid of.
@jasontang9536
2 жыл бұрын
What? Abortion is illegal in USA?
@kyoungers
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for discussing this as a women's issue and not using the ridiculous locution "pregnant people."
@lseires6780
2 жыл бұрын
Abortion should be illegal unless the women will die giving birth. And any gender can get pregnant not just women.
@kyoungers
2 жыл бұрын
Only women can get pregnant. Words mean things.
@lseires6780
2 жыл бұрын
@@kyoungers no not only women can get pregnant. Men can get pregnant. Non-binary people can get pregnant. And they should all be protected by the atrocities of abortion.
@kyoungers
2 жыл бұрын
No. Pregnancy requires an egg cell and a womb. Only women have egg cells and wombs. They are the only ones who can get pregnant.
@EmpressTiffanyOfBrittany
2 жыл бұрын
@@kyoungers You do realize there are intersex people and hermaphrodites right. That's why people say "people who can get pregnant". Some are born with a womb, a vagina, AND a penis, some look more "male", some look more "female". Are they male or female? Who makes the decision for them in that regard? Stop picking what people can or can't be based on your own uneducated opinions.
@lmknow7x
2 жыл бұрын
Courts don’t grant rights. Rights are inherent. You completely misunderstand the 3 separate branches is US government and why they are important to be separate. SMH please stop miseducating people. You’re stifling Liberty and progress.
@zch7491
2 жыл бұрын
Roe is secretly the best thing for conservatives
@vikmanphotography7984
2 жыл бұрын
I mean really. Imagine how many illegitimate children members of Congress would have to deal with otherwise
@ichifish
2 жыл бұрын
@@vikmanphotography7984 Lol, not likely. Abortion will always be available for the rich and hypocritical.
@GarfieldEnjoyer1878
2 жыл бұрын
Why
@vbawa1519
2 жыл бұрын
"without undo interference" oof 538, your editor needs to double check their work..
@judahfloyd
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not the anti-abortion movement. It’s called pro-life. Or are you afraid to call it that?
@conradshiao3496
2 жыл бұрын
@Bryce Calabaza That's exactly why you should state that you are pro-life - your anti-abortion stance comes out of your pro-life stance, right?
@conradshiao3496
2 жыл бұрын
@Bryce Calabaza Yes I followed your argument from your first post. I realized why I differed. The problem is tacking on "rights" to the end of pro-abortion. It's not dispassionate to refer to someone as being against someone's "rights". Therefore when people (usually conservatives) are called "anti-abortion rights", or "anti-women's reproductive rights", then it doesn't sound objective. I still fell that going with what each person/side, likes to refer to themselves, is probably the best way to go. Therefore "pro-life" for one side and "pro-abortion rights" or "pro-women's rights" or even "pro-choice", though that moniker has fallen out of favor, for the other side.
@Soupdude338
2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps if they actually were pro the child's life after it was born it would be more fair to consider that word. But they aren't, so I shan't.
@conradshiao3496
2 жыл бұрын
@@Soupdude338 I will repost, since your post is the same as above. Yes, being pro-life should mean that you care for someone's whole life, not just the moment of birth. That is a valid point and something that conservatives can and need to improve in. However, in order to be pro-life, the baby (or person in another situation) must be alive to be helped. It doesn't make sense in the slightest to talk about education, housing, etc. if the unborn baby/fetus is never allowed a chance at life to begin with. You can't have human rights without a living human.
@conradshiao3496
2 жыл бұрын
This is a well made video which tries to present the facts fairly. However, as others have commented, it would have shown how truly fair and generous this reporter was, if they had called pro-life advocates "pro-life" instead of "anti-abortion", as that is exactly what pro-life supporters advocate: that the life of the fetus/unborn baby is more important than the choice of the pregnant woman. Imagine how unfair, sectarian, and inflammatory it would be to call pro-choice/pro-abortion rights advocates, "anti-life" or "anti-baby" advocates. Doing this doesn't foster civil discourse or help find compromise solutions in a large and mixed country like ours. I hope FiveThirtyEight and the reporter reads this and rethinks what they are doing. Otherwise they are like Ben Shapiro or others on the right, who claim to want to have bi-partisan support, but whose rhetoric clearly goes against that.
@Soupdude338
2 жыл бұрын
Using pro-life suggests they care for the fetus after birth, which has effectively never been shown.
@conradshiao3496
2 жыл бұрын
@@Soupdude338 Yes, being pro-life should mean that you care for someone's whole life, not just the moment of birth. That is a valid point and something that conservatives can and need to improve in. However, in order to be pro-life, the baby (or person in another situation) must be alive to be helped. It doesn't make sense in the slightest to talk about education, housing, etc. if the unborn baby/fetus is never allowed a chance at life to begin with.
@Soupdude338
2 жыл бұрын
@@conradshiao3496 considering the amount of currently alive babies that don't get those things due to the politics of pro life politicians I feel like there are a lot of things we could work on before discussing fetuses.
@conradshiao3496
2 жыл бұрын
@@Soupdude338 Can't we do both at the same time? I'm for more help for those who are disadvantaged and need help, especially on the local government level and through private organizations. Wouldn't you agree it'd be better to save unborn babies/fetuses and already born babies/already born fetuses too?
@piernikowyloodek
2 жыл бұрын
In my country, Poland, which has the most severe abortion restrictions in Europe 11 women to date have died because the pregnancy was a threat to their lives and unfortunately ended in a prolonged tortuous painful death, in most cases due to sepsis. The doctors could only stand around and watch while the women died in agony, in fear of being prosecuted for performing an abortion. There is no outcry, outrage, apology or even a word of sympathy from the “pro-life” crowd. I’m deeply sorry, they’re not pro-life. They are more than happy to watch women die. I’m unable to call them pro-life.
@FirstLast-pt6vu
2 жыл бұрын
Funny how 538 is so unwilling to call pro-life people by their actual name.
@thehanghoul
2 жыл бұрын
What?
@epakai
2 жыл бұрын
Enslaving women to be baby incubators has little to do with encouraging life. Try progressive policies. Subsidies child-rearing. Affordable housing. Accessible healthcare. Pro-life is funnily all about punishing, and never about making a society people would want to have children in. The so called "pro-life" people disappear as soon as abortion is banned. The only conclusion is they are anti-abortion. Nothing to do with life.
@JKDC97
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure why you mean by “pro-life”. Do you mean anti-choice?
@elhombredeoro955
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyjackson7429 what??? You guys are crazy!!!
@EPgeek
2 жыл бұрын
@@epakai No, if abortion is banned, the "pro-life" people will move on to banning birth control. But only women's birth control.
@tylerhackner9731
2 жыл бұрын
A big deal
@BlairWaldorf2013
2 жыл бұрын
Its absolutely amazing to see this white guy be so *openly* racist and bigoted about how he went about trying to essentially treat people like they’re not people in favor of his bigoted mindset. Once they feel totally fine sharing their mindset that’s when you KNOW they feel they’ve won and can come out in full force with their hate.
@NoMoreForeignWars
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine how many lives could've been saved.
@vikmanphotography7984
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, saving lives from being lived sounds pretty selfless. Who really wants to exist in this purgatory of a world?
@petyrbaelish1216
2 жыл бұрын
@@vikmanphotography7984 honestly liberals should flood the foster system with children. It seems like an exploit in the evolutionary system.
@GarfieldEnjoyer1878
2 жыл бұрын
@@vikmanphotography7984 Why is living only worth it to you if your life is perfect
@vikmanphotography7984
2 жыл бұрын
@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 I never said life had to be perfect. That's a straw man argument. I just think that life is more negative than positive and there are no signs of that changing with any consistency. Cost of living is higher, owning a house seems unattainable for most people, wealth inequality is higher than ever, climate change looms large over the future, people are constantly treating others awful, wars are waged and people killed for little reason, working seems like trying to run from expenses that are always right behind you, etc. Sure there are blips of joy but they are fleeting and don't make up for the bad parts. Why would you subject another human to all this when contraception and abortion can prevent so much suffering?
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