Cosworth is not only made V12 for Aston Martin Valkyrie and GMA T50, T50s and T33 but also designing and making brand new V16 engine for Bugatti that will rev up to 9000 rpm redline.
@TheBadBunny87
6 ай бұрын
Nice, I wasn't aware Cosworth was the ones building it for Bugatti!
@iaintdonknow
6 ай бұрын
@@TheBadBunny87 are they tho?
@TheBadBunny87
6 ай бұрын
@@iaintdonknow well I've taken this comment at face value. I'll check what Google says...
@TheBadBunny87
6 ай бұрын
@@iaintdonknow There's a few articles posted online that says that few details have been released but sources leaked that the engine will be developed by Cosworth. But nothing concrete has been said. It's a rumor, that's likely going to be true.... perhaps lol
@iaintdonknow
6 ай бұрын
@@TheBadBunny87 well it would be very interesting, considering Rimac supplied Koenigsegg and Aston Martin with battery solutions for their production cars, so Rimac could have been in contact with Cosworth. Would be epic!
@andyelliott3198
6 ай бұрын
A great name for the concept W18 engine would've been the "666" engine LOL.
@johnsuffill6520
6 ай бұрын
The Napier 24-litre W12 engine of the 1930's was used in a couple of famous cars; the Napier Railton and the Napier Bentley. The former was commissioned by John Cobb who raced it several times at Brooklands prior to WWII, breaking many track records. The Napier Bentley was a much later car, being built in 1972. As you can imagine, the sound of these monsters is.... well, monstrous!
@John.0z
6 ай бұрын
Cobb and his car still hold the Brooklands lap record. 😁
@williampratt1066
6 ай бұрын
The Napier Lion, used in many of the 1930s Land speed record cars, Aircraft and speedboats,
@FlyingScud
6 ай бұрын
Just visited Brooklands this weekend and fascinated to see the Napier Railton and the Napier Lion engine. You can play with it to see how the pistons worked in the 3-banks of cylinders. Massively complicated engineering tho!
@woopimagpie
6 ай бұрын
Napier built some bonkers engines over the years, the Sabre H24 is surely the pinnacle of piston engine aircraft engines. They got all the way up to 3000hp by the end of the war, phew.
@stringpicker5468
6 ай бұрын
@@woopimagpieThe last version of the Sabre I think was the VII and made 4,400hp.
@ilmelangolo
6 ай бұрын
You forgot the 1991 Audi Avus concept presented at the Tokyo Motor Show with its 6.0 L 60-valve W12 made of wood and plastic...
@hkonhelgesen
6 ай бұрын
It was supposed to make 550 PS. It was also the first R8 prototype. 15 years before the production R8.
@alexburke1899
6 ай бұрын
That car was beautiful and if they remade it today with a real engine I think it would sell well. It’s a pretty timeless and modern looking design with the glass roof.
@ilmelangolo
6 ай бұрын
@@alexburke1899 The 1991 Audi Quattro Spyder Concept was nice too in my opinion!
@stefanmaddock5516
6 ай бұрын
Never seen an engine like it before! A prayer for all the jaguars.
@Johnwalter1044
6 ай бұрын
And now look at what Rob Dahm is doing with Tyson's 12 Rotor, getting it ready to run and tune up. It's simillar, a three banks of fours. Rotors, which are three sides each, making it a 36 cylinder.
@Mountain-Man-3000
6 ай бұрын
Well it will have 36 combustion chambers at least.
@chumba421
6 ай бұрын
@Mountain-Man-3000 36 Chambers? Time to make a wu tang themed car
@knoxyish
6 ай бұрын
will need an oil tanker behind it just to keep the rotor tips from wearing......
@pulaski1
6 ай бұрын
"36 cylinder"??? You apparently know little about engineering, and _nothing_ about the layout of rotary engines. In case you need a clue, there is nothing cylindrical _anywhere_ in a rotary engine.
@revolver265
6 ай бұрын
@@pulaski1 I was going to say "the crankshaft" (or the closest thing to one) but even that is eccentric. The thing the rotor spins in is closer to a double-circle too.
@MrSniperfox29
6 ай бұрын
Why did nobody want an engine from somebody they'd never heard of who was proposing a "unique" design that the team themselves would have to pay to develop? It's a mystery
@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus
6 ай бұрын
The Napier Lion aero engine was built in the early 20th century in this configuration and was completely successful at delivering power. It was widely used. But it didn’t have to fit in a race car and had the advantage of big cubic inches and the normal de-rated output for constant running.
@slartibartfast2649
6 ай бұрын
It wasn't used for racing, but it did set several speed records. I believe at one point in the 20's, the land, air and water speed records were all powered by Napier Lions.
@AndrewBrowneABF81
6 ай бұрын
@@slartibartfast2649 It was used for at least 2 races I know of - the 1927 and 1929 Schneider Trophy in a Supermarine S.5. 1st and 2nd in 1927 and 3rd in 1929
@robertpatrick3350
6 ай бұрын
@@AndrewBrowneABF81John Cobbs LSR car had 2 x lion’s fitted
@concordelounge
6 ай бұрын
You can see one in a car in the Science Museum in London.
@htimsid
6 ай бұрын
See the 1933 Napier-Railton which is still maintained in fully working order and run regularly, usually in the Goodwood Revival each September.
@memorimusic420
6 ай бұрын
W engines with 3 banks were 'common' in the pre war days but to see that in the 80s in insane but so extremely cool!
@hotdog9262
5 ай бұрын
yup that is a real W engine. the so called W from vw is just a version of V12 stacked up to make the block shorter. two vr6 in a V
@memorimusic420
5 ай бұрын
@hotdog9262 yeah but two vr engines is still a real W engine tho
@somedude5637
5 ай бұрын
@@memorimusic420 the VW engines are not true w engines. Even if you consider a VR engine a V engine which it's not, a 4 banked engine is an X configuration.
@chrisknight6884
6 ай бұрын
The Life engine was actually a 'proper' W form, like the Napier Lion. The Bentley and Bugatti Veyron engines are really the ones that are misnamed.
@cp4512
5 ай бұрын
The worst 12 cylinder is three 4 cylinder Land Rover Ingenium engines next to each other.
@AndrewShakespeare
6 ай бұрын
I love F1 minnows, but the Life team had to borrow tyre pressure gauges from other teams at races.
@notagain2856
6 ай бұрын
And lets not forget their car (yes, singular) was slower than even F3 cars of the time
@braddbradd5671
6 ай бұрын
By the way Ferrari v Ford is on Netflix Christian Bale has got to be UKs best actor he plays a 60s English mechanic perfectly
@Ashfielder
6 ай бұрын
The Napier Railton’s W12 was the same as this, with three four cylinders stuck together. It’s a WW1 aero engine slapped in a land speed record car. I had a great chat with the lead engineer keeping that car going at Goodwood last year. Fascinating piece of engineering.
@robertnicholson7733
6 ай бұрын
It is a Napier Lion Aero engine as mentioned in the video, not one of the late racing ones but a much more tame engine. The Lion was short so the car is reasonably proportioned, unlike the ones that were built using V12 aero engines.
@stevenmoran4060
6 ай бұрын
Hardly high performance when my 3 cylinder 1.2 litre Renault hybrid produces 200 horse power and almost 60 mpg on average.
@vannustube
6 ай бұрын
yes, but your engine is about 30 years newer (also does your power/mpg include use of the electric motor?)
@ANDYblacks13
6 ай бұрын
Your battery pack is inside the cabin with a flimsy non sealed plastic cover "hiding it",when it goes into thermal runaway it will either explode and nite nite all in the car (see recent Zoe video) or the toxic fumes released inside the car will delete all inside the cabin before you know it's happened,you might be lucky ish if it happens overnight if it's parked far enough away from your home you get a free firework display as you wait for the fire brigade to turn up and "make it safe" as it burns for a week,
@Milecarful
6 ай бұрын
Wait until you hear about the Peugeot 3008 Hybrid 4 that had the same power, almost twice the torque, and all at 70/80 UK/US MPG 11 years ago!
@hubertszymanski2272
Ай бұрын
Ok and? Motorcycles with same size engines from 2000s produce similar ammount of hp
@hubertszymanski2272
Ай бұрын
FR what is that special in cars with motorcycle size and hp engines in cars? Im gonna shock you! Tesla model S is 12 years old and produce at least 306 HP with 0 MPG :p
@samthemultimediaman
6 ай бұрын
F1 used to be a test bed for auto manufactures now its just a spectator sport, just like NASCAR and the others...
@thundermite1241
6 ай бұрын
I wish wish the w8 found in the passat was more reliable and succesful cause its a sweet idea
@sweetcorn1968
6 ай бұрын
Yes, yes,yes Mike. More engineering freedom on engine design.
@milinddixit6583
6 ай бұрын
Agreed. Imagine with all the R&D budgets the big teams have, they could create engines we've never seen before if the rules were just displacement and max power output only. Or even just displacement with power being limitless. Too late now with the moves away from ICE to EV but if they did that a decade ago we'd have much better engines today in normal road cars as the tech trickles down.
@fuzzy1dk
6 ай бұрын
@@milinddixit6583 it would just be massive waste of money, they would all fire up the computer and find same layout to be optimal for the rules and build that spending insane amounts of money on tiny improvements, if someone was silly enough to build something else they would be at the back of the grid while they spend even more money developing the same as everyone else
@milinddixit6583
6 ай бұрын
@@fuzzy1dk Possibly yes. Though if they know the regulations are relaxed (and will stay relaxed) I'd have thought they would be testing the layouts first before putting it in a race. But I guess you're right overall - in the end they'll all settle on the optimum layout. But I'd like to think they'd be exploring everything and trying out some innovations since nothing ever remains optimal.
@fuzzy1dk
6 ай бұрын
@@milinddixit6583 it's not 80's anymore, that exploring will be done on a computer
@Sgt_SealCluber
6 ай бұрын
I think it might be more interesting to have a gear limited top speed and allow any size, power, and layout engine you want.
@hoonfox
6 ай бұрын
Would have to be electronically speed limited, since redline varies.
@Hybris51129
6 ай бұрын
I love hearing about the high count engine designs, I especially love thinking about how some of these engines could be improved with modern tech like Freevalve to simplify the timing and tuning.
@bruceschneider4928
6 ай бұрын
"No Jaguar X-Types were hurt in the making of this video." How can you hurt something that is already broken?
@Gordanovich02
6 ай бұрын
I wonder how an Audi straight-five would sound at F1 rpms...
@user-neo71665
6 ай бұрын
Boom
@TheBadBunny87
6 ай бұрын
It'll sound a lot like the four trumpets of the apocalypse
@nigelalderman9178
6 ай бұрын
Never mentioned Lancia with their narrow 'V' engines befor Fiat takeover.
@RobsonRoverRepair
6 ай бұрын
Worst engine ever... * Triumph V8 has entered the chat *
@ThePapaja1996
6 ай бұрын
PRV engine has entered the chat
@CobraDBlade
6 ай бұрын
Nah if we're going to talk garbage 12 cylinder engines we have to talk about the boat anchor that was the Subaru 1235 H-12.
@royshaft
6 ай бұрын
Lawnmower racing is now more fun to watch than F1. The slow death of the formula started years ago , shame really.
@juzoli
6 ай бұрын
It started 70 years ago
@matthewlange8616
6 ай бұрын
If you want to watch a formula with multiple engine layouts then I would suggest WEC and IMSA. The Sebring 12 hour race at the weekend had way more excitement than a whole season of F1.
@TenorCantusFirmus
6 ай бұрын
I think the idea of a W12 wasn't bad - it just they had not enough funds to properly realize it.
@liamjackson6930
6 ай бұрын
The W12 isn't that new, from 1917 til 1930 Napier built the Lion W12 aero engine
@ChrisPopham
6 ай бұрын
If F1 had left it as a platform to find the best performance we would probably be driving anti-gravity powered hovercars by now
@joelsmall8471
6 ай бұрын
Whilst I still believe the sound of the v12's,10's and 8's sounded the best, I do really like the growl of a mountain lion that comes out the back of modern day F1 cars, and with a performance v6 in my daily driver I feel connected to F1 nowadays
@slick5894
6 ай бұрын
😂
@LordVladek111
6 ай бұрын
There is a rumor that Mercedes considered developing w18 (triple 6) engine for 2 W140 generation S class
@ChristianStout
6 ай бұрын
A W-3 would make a really cool motorcycle/cyclecar engine.
@crazytrain7114
6 ай бұрын
Look up Bob LaBrie's 3 cyl Harley. Hand sand cast crank case, guy was a genius. I used to stop by his 'shop'( garage) from time to time. Built a thumper with the laft overs for his daughter. Ran great, and put down great times at NEDW back in the day
@ianmangham4570
6 ай бұрын
@crazytrain7114 Awesome cool 😮
@supers0nic77
6 ай бұрын
Bought with cash back from your w-2
@2bfrank657
6 ай бұрын
It's actually quite a common configuration with air compressors.
@siyz250
6 ай бұрын
Great video as usual. Just wondering how the S85 MX5 is going? Si, Christchurch, NZ
@tomanderson6335
6 ай бұрын
The Life W12: The only F1 engine of the era that made the Subaru-badged Motori Moderni flat-12 employed by Coloni seem decent.
@BuyongoPhiri
6 ай бұрын
Wow a drivetribe video that isn't about Clarkson or Hammond.
@mosca3289
6 ай бұрын
There was also a Subaru flat 12 around the same time. Could say it fell flat.
@garykee1
6 ай бұрын
how is the V10 engine development coming along for the miata project? haven't heard from that idea in a while or is it completly dead in the water?
@hoost3056
6 ай бұрын
I can imagine the frictional losses and complexity was horrendous. Nope.
@Sam_2565
6 ай бұрын
As soon as I heard ‘could have ended up in a Ferrari’ I instantly thought of the life
@HappyHands.
6 ай бұрын
I designed a W7 in 1980. it was 7 cylinders but only used up the liner space of a v6 with the center bank having 3 cylinders and the side banks being 2 cylinders
@PoloRolo94
6 ай бұрын
Very nteresting
@HappyHands.
6 ай бұрын
@@PoloRolo94 it would be impractical to actually make. the vibration dampening and tooling needed would just make it too costly
@jeffreyjeffrey007
6 ай бұрын
Definately warming up to Mike, this type of historical mini doc is very cool.
@JohnDoe-ji5wg
6 ай бұрын
Why didnt they make the third bank a hot V? Have the 2 intakes together for one side and the 2 exhausts together for the other sife?
@davidellsworth2178
6 ай бұрын
I think you might have forgotten Lancia bringing out narrow bank V-4 engines in the 1920s!!!
@mini4x
6 ай бұрын
Mike take a look at the Chrysler A57.. 30 Cyl, 5 banks of 6..
@loddude5706
6 ай бұрын
F1 should be - any capacity you like, as long as it's just a single cylinder - Racing Listers rule OK! : )
@stevecleaver8933
6 ай бұрын
Yet another great video. With your thoughts about possible F1 engines, I wonder : if it were simply stated that cars can only use X amount of fuel throughout the race (like currently) could engine regs be left WIDE OPEN ? Let the engine manufacturers decide whether to have 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12 16 or 100cylinder engines of any displacement they like, turbo or non-turbo, the great equalizer will be the fact that they are limited on the amount of fuel available. Would this work ??? What are your thoughts Mike ????
@pistonfury
6 ай бұрын
The left Cylinder bank is the wrong way around, the intake and outake are on top of each other... just switch them.
@Angel-dp9sl
6 ай бұрын
I had the exact same thoughts and just posted a comment about it.
@pistonfury
6 ай бұрын
yaah hey! its so easy... so there must be some reason they where not able to... but i think its just that easy and we right...@@Angel-dp9sl
@MasticinaAkicta
6 ай бұрын
Crazy ideas sometimes don't work. Still CRAZY ideas can be FUN
@Eanna_McDermott
6 ай бұрын
Have to hand it to the lads calling out to a scrapyard to film when the opportunity to film the subject engine wasn’t possible (I’m assuming). It really added to the video. Fair play lads ❤
@baronthorsteinn
6 ай бұрын
Also worth a mention is the one that got away: the MGN W12 that the AGS team almost signed up for. It had the same weird layout as the Life but was supposed to be fitted with some even weirder rotary valves - rather than opening and closing up and down, the valve was a rotating drum, where a slot in the drum moved past another slot in the cylinder head, thus opening and closing the gas flow in and out as needed. On a bench test, they didn't work anywhere near as well as Guy Nègre had intended, it only ever ran in a heavily-modified AGS JH22 at a private test which AGS had nothing to do with (other than supplying the chassis), and the engine's only attempt at racing was the Norma Auto Concept team being desperate for an engine for Le Mans in 1990... they fitted it in the car, but they never managed to get it started, and that was the end of that. AGS dodged a bullet with that one... so they never made it any further up the grid, but at least they weren't killed stone dead a year and a half before the F1 team finally went to the wall.
@Feniremmen1
5 ай бұрын
When I clicked I hoped we would see some of the MGN. Super interested to see one running. Unless it’s a random barn find, it’s likely scrap metal by now!
@jc1982discovery
6 ай бұрын
Personally I think, F1 should simple give a fuel and emissions limit, max car dimension, and give free range on all else.
@Kowalamaster
6 ай бұрын
The vw groups W engines are offset V 16's not true W16's, Which is why their new engine is a v16 and why it was easy for them to make.
@hkonhelgesen
6 ай бұрын
Lancia also made a VR6 in the 1920s. Which was the worlds first V6.
@jokeassasin7733
6 ай бұрын
Before I started the video I assumed it was going to be about the XJS 12 cylinder engine. Didn’t realize something could top that.
@CneyTMS
6 ай бұрын
I myself thought it was going to be about Subaru's 12 cylinder boxer.
@maxnicholls7254
6 ай бұрын
Jaguar V12 is one of the best V12s ever made
@tug1345
6 ай бұрын
@maxnicholls7254 yeah look at Harry's Garage, his XJC V12 manual, what he's done with that car shows Jaguar just lumbered it's own engine with a dull auto and mild tuning, presumably to suit the Americans, with a manual and mild tuning it sounds wonderful
@GeneralKenobiSIYE
6 ай бұрын
18 cylinders and the thing would have only output less than 500 hp?! The Cosworth DFV could output over 400-500 hp!! Less than half the weight for equal or greater power. That is rather pathetic. Imagine if Cosworth had put money into designing their own W18. With the talent of Keith Duckworth and the financial backing of Ford, with a lot of work, a Ford Cosworth W18 might have been a beast. HEAVY AF, but a beast all the same. So I think they would have been better off with a W12 (4-4-4). Now imagine that W12 with three turbos.
@45flydalton
6 ай бұрын
I love all the technical information from drive tribe
@AndreiTupolev
6 ай бұрын
Mind you, that was a vintage era for experiments, many of them hopeless, associated with big names that really couldn't have done their sponsors any favours: the Yamaha V8 that scuppered Zakspeed's chances of making it in F1, the Subaru flat-12 that was as bad as the Life, the Arrows-Porsche V12, and the Lamborghini V12 that sounded fantastic but always (except possibly with Larrousse, which was sabotaged by the FIA) disappointed 🙁
@Anonymous-sb9rr
6 ай бұрын
12:05 On the right cilinder bank, they should have put the intake at the bottom, where there is cold air.
@Angel-dp9sl
6 ай бұрын
I had the exact same thoughts and just posted a comment about it.
@thenewberrym.c.914
6 ай бұрын
Who would like to blend a V8 and and horizontally opposed engine? You could have 4 cylinder in one line and make 2 turbos as part of the block to get extra cooling and oil pressure benefits. But I think the new rotary engines are very interesting.
@stellingbanjodude
6 ай бұрын
I can’t remember what company it was but that it was Italian, had a 4 cylinder design that inducted air into the center of the head and exhausted out on both sides, it was wild looking, but I could see that head design working in this application.
@dylansmit3883
6 ай бұрын
I think you're thinking of Lancia's Triflux engine.
@stellingbanjodude
6 ай бұрын
@@dylansmit3883 that’s it
@tipo055
6 ай бұрын
Just want the V10s back in F1
@sandgroper1970
6 ай бұрын
Napier went on to develop the Lion engine, into the sabre which was a H design of 24 cylinders, which powered the Hawker Typhoon and Tempest . These engines were developing 2400 hp without supercharging/ turbo charging in like 1944, when they added a supercharger this figure was increased to 3800 hp. Imagine a development of this with all the modern technology like electronic fuel injection, different construction materials and methods ( making the engines lighter).
@nerd1000ify
6 ай бұрын
Napier developed two H-block air cooled engines, the Rapier and Dagger, before developing the Sabre. None of them had much to do with the lion, but the Sabre in particular was also a sleeve valve engine which is a whole extra can of worms.
@robertnicholson7733
2 ай бұрын
@@nerd1000ify Yes, differerent designers and different design ethos. The Lion was designed by Arthur Rowledge, one of the most prolific aero engine designers, especailly at Rolls-Royce. The Napier H engines were designed by Frank Halford who also designed the deHavilland piston engines and turbo jets, the H1 (Goblin), the H2 ((Ghost) and the H3 ((Giron). The Goblin was the first flight certified jet engine outside Germany and was the engine that powered the maiden flight of the Meteor. Arthur Rowledge was from an older school that Frank Halford. The air cooled Napier Rapier was square and the Dagger just over square, extermely unusual in that period. The Dagger VIII produced 1000hp out of its 16.8 litres, fantastic specific power for that time.
@Thee_Snow_Wolf
6 ай бұрын
5:24, it wasn't "estimated" to make 480hp, I have the dyno graph. It's peak torque was 343.2 Nm @ 8000 rpm and peak power was 463-471bhp at 10500 rpm.
@patepulkkinenvtec2403
6 ай бұрын
Where did you get the dyno graph? Can you send a link?
@AndreiTupolev
6 ай бұрын
Must have been a brave man taking it up to 10500 rpm 😶
@HazewinDog
6 ай бұрын
re the outro: just one of the many reasons I have no interest in F1. it's overregulated. just watch other motorsports, there's plenty more!
@martinlagrange8821
6 ай бұрын
_WRONG!_ The VW VR6 = a staggered-bank straight-six, with a design taken from Lancia - the most recent iteration being the HF in the Fulvia, which was a staggered four - hence the VW VR5, which worked because the engine was a straight-5, harking back to the I5 in the Quattro and B2 Passat. Those speaking Afrikaans immediately knew what it was - _Vee Reguit_ = "Vee-Straight", which made perfect sense. It was a staggered-straight as VW engines have mostly (the Bora/Jetta Mk. 5 being a rarity with a real two-bank V6) been straight-engines, ignoring the air-cooled stuff. As a result, all the "WR" engines are really _V_ engines - and this includes the VW "W8" which VW were at least honest about it with early badging, calling them "WV" with inset V letter when released. So, the Veyron and Chiron have a V16, the Bentleys and big VW's have V12 and V8 engines...and that's that !
@Mach1048
6 ай бұрын
Your F1 Wish is far easier, restrict Max fuel burn, and mL/Min. Basically steal some rules from World Endurance Racing, and let the teams do what ever they want. 3 Rotors? Go nuts! Flat/Inline/V 4's? Sure! Twin that just charges a battery and you run Electric drive with Battery + Supercapacitor for Regen braking? Awesome!
@Rand-er5eo
2 ай бұрын
I'll put the Porsche 3512 ahead (far ahead) as worse then the Life. Easily. One had essentially zero budget to work with and a new concept (and also designed the chassis and gearbox). The other had a long, successful history of making reliable, powerful engines in all manner of racing classes. And, that's all they did - the engine. They also had a proper budget. Neither engine was at all reliable nor made anything like competitive power. More poorly informed/researched 'content' from Driveltribe.
@1258-Eckhart
6 ай бұрын
Amazing how wealthy people do things without thinking them through. The Napier W12 laid its outer banks flat so that the exhaust from the central bank could be gotten out of the way without compromising volumetric efficiency, also the timing gear made for a slender head construction, further improving the thermal dynamics. Any engineer can see all this just by looking at the drawings. But Signore Vita clearly asked no questions.
@danielheathcote5625
5 ай бұрын
Agree the V6 engines in F1 sound tame, compared to what came before, more akin to GP2 / F2 - I think the V8 engines were amazing at high revs particularly, but no comparison to the same configuration of old when you could tell the difference between an 8, 10 or 12 cylinder car when they were warming up in the paddock early in the morning, when you were still at campsite.
@CaraesNaur
6 ай бұрын
The early Napier Lion engines (which held the air speed record for most of the 1930s) were made of sheet metal. Not cast blocks, not forged.... sheet metal. You can find the engineering drawings online.
@BigUriel
4 ай бұрын
Bugatti made the right call, if you want a shorter 12+ cylinder engine the VR design is the way to go, 3 banks is one too many and causes issues with manifold placement, 4 might address that but then it's even heavier (as cool as it might be to see a 4 bank engine - a flat engine with a 60/90 degree V on top, I'm sure it would sound glorious too).
@anvilsvs
3 ай бұрын
You think F1 should be displacement limited only. Displacement limits were originally conceived as a proxy for fuel consumption limits on the theory that smaller engines burned less fuel. If all other things are equal that can be true. But all other things are never equal and smaller engines end up being less fuel efficient when high power output are required. What F1 should do is allow a fixed amount of fuel and all other bets are off. This will then force development of fuel efficient engines. These will be larger displacement slower running engines. Probably with direct injection and turbos. And that development will be directly applicable to road cars.
@Pauli-xl8nr
6 ай бұрын
That triple 4 layout is more for the applications that have loads of torque because torque gets divided between 3 banks. 2 banks are more than enough for a lightweight high-revving engine that doesn't have that much torque. Yes, you can adapt 3 bank engine to be a high revving f1 engine, but is completely unnecessary. And I don't understand why he had to create a compact engine when it's a lot heavier it has a higher center of gravity, and existing V engines fit just fine.
@Swampster70
2 ай бұрын
Imagine a world where F1 regulations were concerned just about safety and not about car layout and engines. Specify a set of chassis requirements, min weight and safety features to keep the drivers alive but let the engineers run wild with the tech. There'll be a point where the cars become "undriveable" by even the best and that will be your natural point of changing where improvements are made.
@GeorgeFotopoulos-u8p
4 ай бұрын
In Facebook there is a page where life F1 engineers has life w12 power diagram The power of the engine is 470 hp. And I think Life engine hadn't pneumatic valves in order to increase engines rpms and power. Francho Rocchi hadn't money and many enginneers to improve the engine
@cubicck
6 ай бұрын
Maybe it's just me that doesn't get it but, how could a heavy, low power, unreliable and outdated engine ever become successful to "revolutionize" sports cars as you said in the video? "If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike"
@anthonyjackson280
5 ай бұрын
Anzani made 3 cylinder 'W' aero engines in the early 1900's. Bleriot used one on his Trans-channel flight in 1909. ~3 1/2 L, 25HP
@MaverickBlue42
5 ай бұрын
It's the only true W12, if you look at all the other W12's the cross-section doesn't look anything like a "W".....just sayin...the other one's are misnamed....
@razick0
6 ай бұрын
Kinda of mistake there at 3:40. They showed an image of Berger in Phoenix at the 1991 US GP, completely unrelated to turbo talking.
@HyBr1dRaNg3r
6 ай бұрын
If they made a flat 8 and then added an inline 4 vertically, it would have made more sense I’d think…could help a little with cg and would get rid of the asymmetry that was causing the one bank to ingest hot air?🤔Still, just an answer to a “question” no one cares about in the modern era
@Angel-dp9sl
6 ай бұрын
Because they didn't use the space where the throttle bodies and headers are right next to each other for exhaust headers only (Hot V). Forget about symmetry when it comes to odd number of banks like this W12 and every Inline engine ever.
@benwilson6145
6 ай бұрын
You need to look at the Napier Deltic engine
@Netryon
6 ай бұрын
If it begins as transformers movie set escaping the dogs - movie almost over and we taking jet flight later. Games told me this car has some strange wiggling feeling and can trust that game sometimes more than a real drivers experience, but it's as refusing to further to develop current engines for those who just removes the onboard computer on a test day - nahh I won't need that sound isolation says mechanics wisdom. They wish you luck with your crops 10:52 at a place where you can't change those manhattan city motorolers to having streets full of cars.
@thelonelywolf88
5 ай бұрын
Today I learned that there's a more hated engine than Ford's 5.3L, 3 valve Triton engine
@braddbradd5671
6 ай бұрын
When was you gona tell us The Stig was on NETFLIX movie Ferrari V Ford .Typically he was part of the pit crew and he had a talking part ?
@t.crox.4577
6 ай бұрын
If you want engine variation in high level motorsport look to WEC. It's far more entertaining than F1. How F1 keeps its fans these days is beyond me.
@sethlopato4702
6 ай бұрын
Hate to break it to you Chrysler did it with 5 banks of straight 6 with a common crank for world war 2 went into certain versions of the Sherman tank the engine Chrysler a57 multibank
@neilperry2224
5 ай бұрын
Harley Davidson had a W engine built by an outside MCist, and yes, they are expensive and rare. But used on one of the biker build off by the son of Arlen Ness.
@confederatenationalist7283
6 ай бұрын
For my money the choice would be conventional 60 degree V12 but single cam and pushrod valve actuation not OHC.
@hasdf11
6 ай бұрын
Audi also Designed a w12 in the 1990s for the concept Audi Avus. Was not worth the production, cause of the same reasons
@fredeagle3912
4 ай бұрын
The engineers at Napier’s would argue with you. Their Lion broad arrow engine powered aircraft of all kinds, boats and tanks for decades.
@scxrb4807
6 ай бұрын
motorsport should be about pushing the limits and not tons of restrictions.
@De19thKingJulion
6 ай бұрын
If they designed the heads to take in air from the top, then exhaust out both sides, (or the opposite: intake by both sides of each head & exhaust through the top) like that Lancia engine, this engine could have overcome the hot air intake problems
@AndreiTupolev
6 ай бұрын
Triple-bank W12 was also used very successfully in the Napier Lion, designed during WWI as an aero engine and used in many special such as the Napier-Railton
@asdreww
6 ай бұрын
How cool would it be if there was a race series of the level of F1 where 'small' manufactures could realistically give it a go! modern F1 is boring
@Games_and_Music
6 ай бұрын
It would be great if F1 allowed for more diversity as to how they get to a car within the regulations. But it might be a bit late now, when the focus is on electric, but it would be great if they did a 'last hurrah' season before fully switching to the new style.
@bignastystinky
6 ай бұрын
i don't think i'll ever own a 12 cylinder engine in my life, but i really don't like 12 cylinder engines in general either. big fan of in-line 6's though
@SuperWoody1001
6 ай бұрын
I think Porsche's 1991 V12 for Footwork F1 must rank up there with the worst of them considering the resources Porsche has.
@DetroitMicroSound
6 ай бұрын
Wonder why nobody has ever tried a larger piston sized twin turbo inline 2?
@derekr1113
6 ай бұрын
3:05 terrible graphic or perhaps cylinders 3 and 4 of the central bank are joined? Is this why it didnt work. Try harder with powerpoint please
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