Working the cash register as a hydrogen fueling station has got to be the most chill job on Earth
@AncientYouth64
5 ай бұрын
Just don't have a 🚬
@Cap_management
5 ай бұрын
Until the station explode.
@viktorianas
5 ай бұрын
It is chill indeed, for the refueling process, the hydrogen must be cooled down to -40°C
@internet_userr
5 ай бұрын
@@viktorianas Bro just got the joke 😮💨😮💨
@UCXEO5L8xnaMJhtUsuNXhlmQ
5 ай бұрын
@@internet_userr I had thought the joke was a reference to the fact that nobody would go there and you'd get to just sit around all day, chilling
@cyruslupercal9493
5 ай бұрын
Basicly, synthetic fuel. It will be more expensive as solar energy is very dispersed. Maybe H2 productoin is easier to optimise then synthetic hydrocarbons.
@wingmann
5 ай бұрын
Better for the environment than EVs but we're not ready for that conversation
@OM-bs7of
5 ай бұрын
Well companies are also wasting money on BEV vehicles so ICE reins victorious it seems
@irokpe6977
5 ай бұрын
BEV are far more viable than Feul cells
@Nobody-st7xh
5 ай бұрын
Wait until nuclear energy and renewables overtake fossil fuels. EVs will take over by then in green energy countries
@kolbyking2315
5 ай бұрын
Unless we want a WW2-level disaster, we'll need to switch from ICEs eventually. So, any money spent developing BEVs will need to be spent at some point.
@UnbreakableM1nd
5 ай бұрын
As someone who has worked in pipeline transmission before and has a degree in metallurgy, Hydrogen infrastructure is just stupid. The gas are transported in liquefied state, you have to keep it under enormous pressure. This is like transporting Liquified Natural Gas (LNG). They keep LNG terminals far away from where people live. Hydrogen filling stations are just plain dangerous, especially if you have it close to residential areas. The hydrogen itself can also accelerate the deterioration of metal and make it brittle over time, leading to unpredictable failures. The filling of hydrogen vehicles is extremely finicky. You are releasing pressure from a liquified tank and into your vehicle. The pumping process will make the nozzles freeze due to Venturi effect. There is a ton of engineering work needed to make it safe and convenient. I think it will likely become a case where you need a specialist to fill the car for you, because a Joe Schmuck out there will mess it up and cause a massive explosion at the filling station. Right now it isn't that popular, but just wait until the masses and Karens start filling up vehicles with Hydrogen.... the potential for disaster will grow. Thank god it's not popular, I bet the engineers who worked on the infrastructure realized it's not feasible on large scale. Why does Japan want Hydrogen cars? Well, they don't have any fossil fuel resources, but have lots of ocean and nuclear power. The government must have figured out to be self reliant, they should probably use nuclear or other green power to generate hydrogen from seawater. EV Batteries means relying on China for supply. Gas cars means reliance on oil import from abroad. Japan has no good choice left and is forced to consider Hydrogen. For North America, we shouldn't even consider hydrogen cars.
@DeLorean4
5 ай бұрын
This is the best explanation I have ever read. I always wondered why the Japanese kept working on the technology after the early 2000s when the American OEMs realized it was a waste of time.
@Terkini-pr1nj
5 ай бұрын
Maybe few year . Methane to hydrogen conversion in gas station more common . So . Its more safe . Plus metal hydride for hydrogen storage in bicycle more common in China. In matter of time . ICE car using hydrogen everywhere
@fenrirgg
5 ай бұрын
The have to rely on other countries always due lack of natural resources. Even for Japan it would have more sense to use electricity and batteries instead hydrogen. They are being stubborn in that bad idea to save face or something.
@benchpress200
5 ай бұрын
Fantastic insights. Thank you!
@kendalson7100
5 ай бұрын
Well said!
@kennethkueh1256
4 ай бұрын
Either they don't understand science or they have a technical breakthrough up their sleeve.
@aaronparys1750
3 ай бұрын
The Cells require replacing eventually (5000 hours).. which is a added maintenance cost and these companies like that idea
@SeanPannella
5 ай бұрын
Step one have cheap nuclear power, until you have very cheap electricity it will be hard for hydrogen to be viable, however cheap electricity is likely in the future so running hydrogen powered devices as an RD project makes sense, hydrogen heating may be a better use case if we find better organic batteries in the future that don’t require metals with limited supplies
@MrPikkoz
3 ай бұрын
Burning hydrogen to heat houses it's a very dumb and inefficient idea , if you burn steam reformed hydrogen (94%of currently produced hydrogen worldwide) you put out more co2 and it's more expensive, if you burn hydrogen made from renewables it's it's way more expensive, and very inefficient, because if you use the same amount of hydrogen to produce electricity via fuel cells to feed heat pumps , you are still more efficient than burning the said hydrogen for heat in first place.
@nulnoh219
5 ай бұрын
You gotta not only build a car, but convince people build an entire hydrogen chain. Creating an entire industry around it. While competing with li battery industry.
@ChineseKiwi
5 ай бұрын
And established supply chains and infrastructure via that electricity (and in the case of biomethane, established natural gas infrastructure)
@th3oryO
5 ай бұрын
And, at the end of the day, you're still competing with the gas/diesel equivalents, at least to some extent. Tough gig when there isn't any significant performance benefits.
@Brad_Fallon
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen cars, it's the future. Big Oil is done!
@wizzyno1566
5 ай бұрын
@@Brad_Fallonno
@Brad_Fallon
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen will be everywhere. Hydrogen is the future!
@duncanmacleanjr
5 ай бұрын
The key comment in the video concerns Japan not having oil and natural gas reserves. Nuclear took a hit after Fukushima. Offshore wind farms is another growth area, but both countries are not going to put all their eggs in one basket.
@reappermen
5 ай бұрын
That's the thing though, Hydrogen as fuel is not an energy source, just energy storage/transmission. The hydrogen has to be made either from imported fossile fuels, or from energy. Either way it doesn't solve the problem, it makes it worse as you lose the vast majority of the power to get to hydrogen either way
@Brad_Fallon
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen will be everywhere. Hydrogen is the future!
@HeavyDevy89
5 ай бұрын
If you'd like a bit of a 'down and dirty' engineering level explanation on the question of hydrogen, check out Paul Martin's Linkedin - he's a chemical scientist with the University of Toronto and lays out very plainly why H2 simply won't work in passenger vehicles.
@xoukilong
5 ай бұрын
$180 to go 350 miles 🙄
@flashoflight8160
5 ай бұрын
The sole reason why EV is the only viable alternative to ICE is the ability to charge at home if you own your home. EV would be borderline unusable for me if I had to depend upon unreliable public charging. There is never going to be hydrogen charging at home.
@Keylevitation
5 ай бұрын
Socks that so many public EV charging points are already busted
@chrisja1998
5 ай бұрын
Exactly. And in extreme situations. EVs can charge from a normal wall outlet. You would need a gas station for an ICE vehicle. And if you are very extreme a couple of solor panels, a battery and an inverter, and ALOT of patience and time. And you are off-grid with your EV. Free charging, can't say the same about shtty hydrogen cars.
@rogerfroud300
4 ай бұрын
Efficiency is also an important metric, as is simplicity.
@SillySausage-mq3so
4 ай бұрын
Its funny EVs are being banned from Hospitals in the UK, don'ts want to burn them down :( Garage no where near safe :(
@chrisja1998
4 ай бұрын
@@SillySausage-mq3so its sad that this misinformation is spreading and actually being enforced. EVs are NOT more likely to catch fire than the counterpart ICE vehicles. In fact it’s the opposite, probably because EVs tend to be newer and that can’t be said for all ICE vehicles. But it’s undoubtedly harder to stop an EV fire. And just google the statistics. I know they are out there. I read up on it when a friend of mine also claimed the statement that EVs catch fire more often.
@ccmangb
5 ай бұрын
Consumers still think that cars have to be filled at the station, and waiting an hour for a EV to fill up is ridiculous. Thats why the short filling time of hydrogen seems to be the solution. The thing is that for EVs, your own home is the gas station, and since you're parking it there for hours every day, there is no actual wait. You can't do this with gas and hydrogen cars. Granted, long trips require superchargers, but unless you are driving hundreds of miles every day, all you need is some travel planning for long trips.
@someonewhocares999
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen cars are a dead end. Hydrogen can work for planes tho
@GSimpsonOAM
5 ай бұрын
Unlikely. The energy density of hydrogen by volume is so low compared to kerosine. Hydrogen in 681atm storage tanks is 5MJ per litre Kerosine (jetfuel) is 35MJ per litre. The Hydrogen tanks need to be seven times the size of the current fuel tanks.
@mathewritchie
5 ай бұрын
I think that we will see commercial fusion power before hydrogen powered cars are successful,sometime after 2330 a.d. maybe?
@cenzoredworld
5 ай бұрын
Probably be a commercially viable fusion powered flying car by the time hydrogen becomes "viable."😆
@Funktastico
5 ай бұрын
japan US collab to fasttrack fusion plant dev. and commercialist , announced 4 days ago
@ferrocone
5 ай бұрын
The irony of Toyota running an ad for me on this same video of a gas powered Toyota Tacoma...
@ddhurry4168
5 ай бұрын
I want a north American Champ...4wd version preferred
@n0namenate
5 ай бұрын
I got mercedes EQB electric lol
@MOBMJ
5 ай бұрын
mine was a Mazda AD
@Deontjie
5 ай бұрын
I hope the Tacoma looks better than this ugly duckling in this video.
@redacted3610
5 ай бұрын
LA resident here. Never have seen the hydrogen KIA's. Meanwhile I see a hydrogen Toyota's every week at least
@mustangthings
5 ай бұрын
It’s amazing how expensive these cars are to run now that True Zero is charging $36 per kg.
@letsburn00
5 ай бұрын
Note that this is the equivalent of
@arnoldvosloo220
5 ай бұрын
@@letsburn00 If you watched the video, he points out that at $10/kg it's already uncompetitive with ICE SUVs. Nevermind the fact that the 2030 goal of $2.8/kg is beyond a joke now - can throw the rest of their fantasies out the window.
@tellyboy17
5 ай бұрын
@@letsburn00 You van expect 70 miles from 1 kilo of hydrogen so $36/kg hydrogen would compare to a hybrid driving on $20/gallon gasoline.
@onlypranav
5 ай бұрын
@@letsburn00 It's actually 3 times as energy dense not 10 times. Simple google search would tell you the energy content per kg
@Brad_Fallon
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen will be everywhere. Hydrogen is the future!
@officialspock
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen is the future..... of dumb ideas
@ticspin4191
5 ай бұрын
Love this channel. Keep up the brilliant work
@delinquense
5 ай бұрын
One of my favorites. Always topical and concise. Well researched and communicated.
@resevoirdog
5 ай бұрын
Although you aren't wrong lol
@randomaccount53793
5 ай бұрын
The only way hydrogen makes sense is by creating a bigger energy supply than needed and using excess energy to create pink hydrogen. This would act as a psudo-battery storage of sorts. But as we know, Japan closed all their plants down so it is more of a pipe dream.
@TacticusPrime
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I can't see any argument for fuel cell vehicles, but research on green hydrogen tech in general is a good investment.
@Funktastico
5 ай бұрын
Japan restarting nuclear plants program since last year
@Brad_Fallon
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen cars, it's the future. Big Oil is done!
@wizzyno1566
5 ай бұрын
@Brad_Fallon no
@MrFuckwit999
5 ай бұрын
Even if you have a large supply of green Hydrogen, it would make more sense to use it for fertiliser production, which is where most H is used.
@noahderrington5156
5 ай бұрын
Imagine an analogy of two solutions to get water to houses: 1- the water is distributed by an existing network of pipes and infrastructure to the houses, you open a tap and water comes out. 2- you take water at a source, use huge amounts of energy to freeze it, put it on a freezer truck and drive it to a place near the houses which uses more energy, invest in expensive new freezer infrastructure to keep the water frozen until people come and collect it that uses even more energy, when people get the frozen water home they need to use more energy to defrost it so water can come out of the tap. 1= electricity to an EV 2= hydrogen to a hydrogen car Anyone can instantly see how totally insane option 2 is without needing to understand anything else about the technology.
@DumbledoreMcCracken
5 ай бұрын
Where a ton on u2b channels talk a lot, but say little, this channel says a lot in a condensed way. Excellent script work.
@_Stupid_Idiot
5 ай бұрын
i shared this to the Hydrogen Car Owners group on Facebook and they blocked me
@GSimpsonOAM
5 ай бұрын
The truth hurts
@ronthorn3
5 ай бұрын
@@GSimpsonOAMlol
@wizzyno1566
5 ай бұрын
Both of them?
@mickgatz214
5 ай бұрын
ahhhh, the Moderator Gods... 😂
@JoeRogansGutBiome
5 ай бұрын
I remember when Arnold Schwarzneger did that hydrogen publicity stunt when he was governor of CA.
@jeffmorin5867
5 ай бұрын
I don't recall anything about what you said, could you elaborate a bit?
@wikipediafollower
5 ай бұрын
@@jeffmorin5867 Arnie is basically the reason the Humvee got converted into the Hummer, and they made him a hydrogen powered H2 while he was governor
@zapfanzapfan
2 ай бұрын
That was 20 years ago before EVs had taken off.
@tripplefives1402
5 ай бұрын
it's ironic but the first combustion engines invented ran on hydrogen gas sourced from coal mines.
@gabrielrousseau_NM
2 ай бұрын
The airship engines could also switch to run on hydrogen.
@JimboSlice-t5i
Ай бұрын
@@gabrielrousseau_NMIt literally can't go tits up
@epithos
5 ай бұрын
2 million for a gas station sounds like a lot but that's about the same as permitting and installing a greenfield drive through coffee shop on the Colorado front range in 2018. That number was either very dated or an outright lie.
@michalfaraday8135
5 ай бұрын
2 million is way less than the actual cost. Those experimental stations are small for 30-40 cars per day. A station that would replace a typical gas station would likely be 10x more expensive. In Prague a H2 station for 20 cars/day cost over 6 million dollars :-(
@samsonsoturian6013
5 ай бұрын
Let me guess: Tax breaks and PR?
@willardSpirit
5 ай бұрын
Rather spend this money and all the VC and investor's money on AI cars (about 150 billion)and shift towards public transit
@thermitebanana
5 ай бұрын
It seems so weird to me that the whole zero carbon emission thing is based on facing up to the scientific reality of climate change, but the premise of hydrogen fuel vehicles is "What if physics and maths were different?"
@pagannova3621
5 ай бұрын
that's because you understand the flaws. if only everyone did, we could actually solve unnecessary emissions...
@--Nath--
5 ай бұрын
Laws of thermodynamics? Japan laughs at them.. but it makes zero difference.
@pyros4333
3 ай бұрын
You understand that climate change is a natural part of the ecosystem, if anything it'll just create a greener earth. It's a cycle
@puddles5501
5 ай бұрын
pretty sure these guys are betting on fleet sales
@Kabodanki
5 ай бұрын
waiting for the EV craze to end, so they can go back to sell gasoline cars without much loss
@hospitable_ghost
5 ай бұрын
This is what I was thinking, as well.
@JimmyDoyel-by2cp
5 ай бұрын
They can't compete with China, so they try to forge new path, they play the long game and only time will tell if it payoffs.
@letsburn00
5 ай бұрын
@@KabodankiEVs and plug in Hybrids will be practically all cars within 15 years. It's not a fad. H2 for cars is highly dubious though.
@maroon9273
5 ай бұрын
@@letsburn00evs is unreliable and useless.
@nulnoh219
5 ай бұрын
I think they should build the hydrogen production facilities first.
@ThinkTwice2222
5 ай бұрын
Subscription model with home delivery of hydrogen... Boom
@wmpx34
5 ай бұрын
The first model will be dubbed the “Hindenburg”
@Doggieman1111
5 ай бұрын
Hindenburg 2: Electric Boogaloo
@Brad_Fallon
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen cars, it's the future. Big Oil is done!
@wizzyno1566
5 ай бұрын
@@Brad_Fallonno
@shadowninja6689
5 ай бұрын
Elon Musk was 100% right when he called Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles "Hydrogen Fool Cells", because only a fool would ever buy one or believe that hydrogen will ever win out in the market place for consumer transportation.
@JJ-zr6fu
5 ай бұрын
Of course someone with their wealth intrinsically tied to the EVs would disparage fuel cells that are a sounder technology. The problem is the development of fuels is way behind EVs
@Tokamak3.1415
5 ай бұрын
@@JJ-zr6fu If you take a high school level chemistry class you will learn the simple concepts of entropy, energy of activation and the laws of thermodynamics. There's no "development" you can make that surpasses the fundamental way molecules have energy states as Einstein has shown that for non nuclear reactions energy cannot be created or destroyed. Unless somebody at Toyota or Hyundai manages to get a self sustaining fusion reactor going at commercial scale, hydrogen is dead for private vehicle use. It was dead before it started because hydrogen is not made as a waste product by any normal conventional chemical processing. Whoever fed you the sounder technology line doesn't know a Bunsen burner from a pipet.
@shosc16
5 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t call it ‘wasting’ - especially is it’s testing and deploying unconventional and new technology. Everything costs money. People said the same thing about ‘wasting billions’ on the internet, EV, blockchain. Shortsighted analysis this video is
@TacticusPrime
5 ай бұрын
... blockchain is definitely a waste.
@devinward461
5 ай бұрын
@@TacticusPrime agreed
@shosc16
5 ай бұрын
@@TacticusPrime I can see it heading that way, but we wouldn’t have known without the investment that’s gone in it
@stigbengtsson7026
4 ай бұрын
Hydrogen I wonder why ? 🤔. The fuel cell is not easy fix, it only gives some volt per cell, you have to stack hundreds, and everyone has to have hoses with oxygen and hydrogen to maintain the process, if you get any dirt into the system the power will drop. The fuel cell, as I been told can not accelerate good enough, so you have to have a battery. If you are outside in cold winter you have to keep the cell warm, or it will freeze apart, it contains water. And as others have said, to fill up is a hazardous thing, hydrogen is worlds smallest atom, it will take any chance to leak. Japan has got a lots of nuclear plants, if I am correct, they also produce hydrogen as some kind of biprodukt.
@dougsheldon5560
5 ай бұрын
It's a small molecule, it leaks out.
@Chris.Davies
5 ай бұрын
You mean "atom" of course. Hydrogen is an element, and hydrogen gas is comprised only of Hydrogen atoms. And it is (of course) the smallest atom.
@kolbyking2315
5 ай бұрын
@@Chris.DaviesGaseous Hydrogen forms a diatomic molecule, H2.
@henryD9363
5 ай бұрын
Smallest molecule to leaking is an issue that has to be worked out. Hydrogen is very flammable. And it does not produce any visible light whatsoever. Zero. It does produce ultraviolet light but no visible light. You can look at a night launch of the space shuttle and you can see there's no flames coming out of the main engines. Just the boosters. So you could have a hydrogen leak with a very energetic flame and you cannot see it.
@viktorianas
5 ай бұрын
If my arsehole is able to contain methane (leaks only sometimes), and you say there isn't technology to contain hydrogen??
@JimmyDoyel-by2cp
5 ай бұрын
No they combine to form H2 to balance the electron shell, so technically it is a molecule.
@Nobody-st7xh
5 ай бұрын
You need electricity to make the hydrogen? EVs with extra steps. 😂
@randomaccount53793
5 ай бұрын
Extra steps and also incredibly inefficient. Hydrogen makes the 15% efficiency of ICE cars seem reasonable, until you realize EV's are more like 80% efficient.
@gabrielrousseau_NM
2 ай бұрын
It’s a recyclable battery. Endlessly recyclable. It is also the size of the oceans. There have been small towns moving underwater for decades using this tech although they apparently throw out the hydrogen and only use the oxygen.
@BrankoDimitrijevic021
5 ай бұрын
So... WHY are Toyota And Hyundai wasting billions on hydrogen cars? Is it just about scooping-up a few government subsidies or is there something more to it?
@frumiousgaming
5 ай бұрын
I would get a hydrogen car if there was a hydrogen fuel station near me (and if they were a bit more affordable)
@FriedChairs
5 ай бұрын
So you’re cool with paying $180 for a refill?
@gabrielrousseau_NM
2 ай бұрын
@@FriedChairsI think you can get your own hydrogen station for around $10,000. But it would compress half as much as the main stations. Good enough for commutes.
@Onkar-i4s
5 ай бұрын
Because, Sunk cost fallacy.
@greg_289
5 ай бұрын
Using hydrogen for cars is so dumb.
@kb8570
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen cars keeps the public distracted.
@z50king29
5 ай бұрын
Each Toyota lot around here has 10 used Mirai on their lot. Hella cheap
@xiaoka
5 ай бұрын
Because they want an excuse to not go electric. That’s Toyota’s motivation at least.
@tullochgorum6323
5 ай бұрын
Not really true. With the Prius they produced the first viable hybrid, and they have spent $billions on a state-of-the-art solid state battery that they claim will recharge in 10 minutes. It's already on the road in prototype vehicles, and they intend to start rolling it out commercially in the next 2-3 years. It will initially only be in hybrids, because of the high initial cost. But once they achieve economies of scale it should be a gamechanger in mainstream EVs. As for ICE technology, they are merely pointing out that much of the developing world will have to rely on it for many years to come, so we should still be developing more efficient ICE vehicles.
@Nobody-st7xh
5 ай бұрын
@@tullochgorum6323Toyota doesn't make EV batteries at scale. They would have to contract CATL even if their tech is superior
@tullochgorum6323
5 ай бұрын
@@Nobody-st7xh So? Tesla use 3rd party manufacturers too, and the Muskrats seem to think that's just fine...
@randomaccount53793
5 ай бұрын
While hydrogen has been a big flop, their bet on hybrids has been a good one. They can make several hybrid battery packs for the same cost as one EV battery pack and that reflects in the purchase cost. Now that EV's seem to be going out of vogue, they stand to benefit greatly. We will see more governments take the New Zealand approach by removing all EV subsidies and charging EV's/PHEV's for road use. Currently EV sales have fallen off a cliff there because hybrids are the cheapest to drive.
@epstein_isnt_dead7726
5 ай бұрын
For those who haven't figured it out yet: The push for EVs is for one reason. Because China can't make ICEs. Just look at how many Chinese ICE cars exist. Zero But cheap batteries, cheap motors, and cheap steel are right up China's alley. Today China is the top manufacturer/seller of EVs globally. You probably thought it was Tesla but it's not even close. That's it. No other reason, China has bought your politicians and turned them into sign spinners for their cheap cars
@schlichter11
5 ай бұрын
Many if not most of the refueling stations are broken around LA most of the time. Like EV charging stations its a total roll of the dice if you can actually get to a working station before your vehicle dies.
@nb6525
5 ай бұрын
You missed an important point. Its not that Japan doesn’t understand or care about practicality, cost of EVs. Unfortunately most of the supply EV chain is heavily exposed to China, which creates a risk if they built an industry on that.
@bltzcstrnx
5 ай бұрын
If Japan focuses on BEV from 1990 instead of hydrogen, they would already be competitive with China right now.
@hellfire6372
5 ай бұрын
@@bltzcstrnxConsidering China's competitive edge stemming from cheap labor and lithium harvesting rights, the US finds it challenging to compete. What opportunities does Japan possess?
@bltzcstrnx
5 ай бұрын
@@hellfire6372 the US is also late to the game. Not to mention, they have internal problems with environmental groups and local tribe lands. If they're serious, they do have large domestic lithium deposits. One of the main reasons for China's hard push for battery technology is crude oil politics. The US doesn't have this incentive. Crude oil supply chains are mostly controlled by Western countries. China finds this as a threat to their nation security, hence their push for other alternatives. One of those alternatives is battery technologies.
@Tuppoo94
5 ай бұрын
@@bltzcstrnx "National security" is newspeak for "imperialist ambitions".
@bltzcstrnx
5 ай бұрын
@@Tuppoo94 all countries does this. Japan Hydrogen ambition also stems from national security concerns. Same with why the US forbids Huawei from their country. In the case of energy, the US is in a safe spot when regarding crude oil supplies. This is why they have low ambition in battery and EV technologies.
@metalbonsai
3 ай бұрын
This robovoice is so sleepy.
@Breakfast598
5 ай бұрын
Essentially, EVs are rich people toys bc theres not enough lithium for all people who own gas cars to transitiom to EV. Therefore, there needs to be a different solution for the average person if the green car problem is going to be pushed.
@barebaric
5 ай бұрын
It's just wrong that there isn't enough lithium. Not only is there more than enough in total with recent discoveries included, but we have already reached oversupply as well. Which is why lithium prices already crashed.
@Breakfast598
5 ай бұрын
@@barebaric I'm counting only the amount of Li that's economically available today, I'm aware there's more, but much of it is relatively inaccessible
@bltzcstrnx
5 ай бұрын
@@Breakfast598 in early days of crude oil, a lot of reserves also "inaccessible." We've been told it going to run out any time soon, yet we found more and more reserves. Same is true for lithium deposits, along with other alternatives such as sodium.
@FriedChairs
5 ай бұрын
You are just parroting incorrect talking points and your premise is wrong. There’s enough lithium now which is why battery prices are dropping rapidly so this “only for rich” idea is wrong especially since used EV prices are falling. There’s been a lot of investment from miners and they expect battery material costs to continue declining for the next decade at least and yes they are accounting for projected EV growth. You have to be really ignoring easily obtained evidence to be still using this talking point.
@Mountain-Viking
5 ай бұрын
Much easier to plug in at home and charge at night for a fraction of the cost. Driving off with a full tank every day.
@JamesR1986
5 ай бұрын
People dispraising EVs in favor of hydrogen power vehicles in 2024 are just an exercise in doubling down and not wanting to admit they are wrong.
@samsonsoturian6013
5 ай бұрын
This space thinks both are wasting money
@rars0n
5 ай бұрын
BMW made a hydrogen version of their 12-cylinder 7-series called the Hydrogen 7. It ran on both regular gasoline and hydrogen stored in a liquid form in a tank behind the rear seats. Engineering Explained did a good job of discussing many of the technical challenges involved, like how the hydrogen has to be kept at -253C and will vent itself over time to cause the entire tank to drain in 10-12 days (can't park the car in a garage). The video is worth a watch: v=AouW9_jyZck
@simplemechanics246
5 ай бұрын
Because wind farms have massive amount surplus and hydrogen production is possible to calibrate on real time, it means every wind farm must make own hydrogen production or any other alternative fuel production. It should be on law if anyone want to open wind farm. Currently wind farms loose about 50% thanks for peak production, when they can sell ZERO production. That number goes only worse if green production nears to 30% from total production. Over 30% means they earn may be 25% only from total production as real sale. So green energy is so wasteful
@johnsamuel1999
5 ай бұрын
You could just store the excess energy in a battery. Its far more cheaper and efficient compared to hydrogen which has the expensive infrastructure and less efficiency
@skierpage
5 ай бұрын
Yet no wind or solar farm bothers to do what you're proposing. Electrolyzers and storage facilities and H2 pipelines aren't cheap, and if you only make hydrogen some of the time your capital expenses go up. Green hydrogen in a nutshell: Step 1: build lots of wind and solar to generate megawatts of renewable electricity you need to split water. Step 2: scrap plans to make expensive green hydrogen, and just sell the electricity onto an existing grid for more efficient uses. Optional Step 3: Install batteries so you can maximize use of existing transmission and sell electricity when you're not generating and it's more valuable.
@ryuuguu01
5 ай бұрын
Use batteries or off-river pumped hydro to store the energy. Japan already has 25GW of pumped hydro generation they built to store energy for nuclear power. It has many mountains right up the coast in unpopulated areas of the country so building a large amount of pumped hydro is not a problem.
@Mayangone
5 ай бұрын
I used to work on coal conversion, using hydrogen, which caused embrittlement of steel. To counter the embrittlement, I used expensive 316L steel for all vessels and piping.
@BureaucracyWorld
9 күн бұрын
They just wasted money. It's a hybrid car with adding 50% of cost of the hydrogen components into it. The hydrogen fuelcell (or membrane) stacks need to be replaced every 2 years and it cost $2500 among other parts like filters/evaporator, etc. The car is dangerous normal technicians can not work on it. It need special trained technician to work on hydrogen system.
@sparty94
5 ай бұрын
unless someone can figure out how to make green hydrogen for cheap it ain't gonna happen.
@_Stupid_Idiot
5 ай бұрын
that would require electricity to be extremely cheap. if that was the case, then it would be almost free to charge a BEV
@FriedChairs
5 ай бұрын
There’s always going to be a more efficient way to use the energy. Even a flywheel is more efficient energy storage.
@bobz1736
5 ай бұрын
You are far too biased towards BEVs... sales are dropping, second hand value have crashed, manufacturers are slowing down production. Yet again government subsidies have masked reality. 😢
@ThisDaniel
5 ай бұрын
Hybrid is the way to go until they invent a water based engine or subsidize public transportation so people simply drive less.
@xeridea
5 ай бұрын
I heard the government has this air cooled fiberglass engine, and it runs on water. WATER man! It's like a car, but instead of putting gas in the gastank you use water!
@kaystephan2610
2 ай бұрын
Iirc hydrogen has to be either kept under MASSIVE pressure ORRRRR it needs to be cooled down to near absolute zero to liquify it. Since you can't really cool stuff down to 4 Kelvin in your car, pressure is the only option for you. And that pressure is around 700 Bar if I recall that correctly. 700 Bar is the pressure felt 7 Kilometers (roughly 4.4 miles) down into the ocean. An insane pressure that I would not want to be near to. ESPECIALLY during an accident. EVERYTHING about hydrogen cars is more dangerous, complicated and expensive. There's literally no upside whatsoever.
@r46-b7e
5 ай бұрын
Isn't "green" hydrogen still emitting a lot of greenhouse gas also? Those wind mills don't build themselves. Nothing is really "green", yet.
@packattackallday
3 ай бұрын
I feel hydrogen cars would be more intriguing in northern US states, where there r far more rural communities, long distance commutes, and frigid cold temperatures in the winter. I find most EVs to be absolutely ugly vehicles as well (sorry, just had to throw that in there. Lol). Despite concerns about EVs in the northern states and what happens after running a lifecycle of an EV, the US just isn’t merely close to being ready for hydrogen cars. Can the US flourish if it was split between the use of hydrogen and electric? Me, living in the north, would love to see hydrogen vehicles take a step up, but I’m sadly not optimistic. It wouldn’t surprise me to see families in the north transition into having both and EV and IC vehicle depending upon the need and travel distance. Then, over time, seeing a larger investment in hydrogen vehicles. Regardless, the prices need to drop. I’m Not willing to spend $50,000 for a new vehicle and will probably never spend money on a used EV considering the battery costs more than the car. Quite a predicament…
@fnorgen
5 ай бұрын
I can understand these governments and companies betting hard on hydrogen 15 years ago when conventional EVs were a bit shit. But battery tech has improved a lot, and hydrogen just hasn't. Every advantage hydrogen used to have has eroded away! Battery charging time isn't that much of a concern anymore, energy density is mostly adequate, cycle life is fine if you don't beat on them and prices are getting reasonable. They put their money on the wrong tech, and it's jut sad that they're still refusing to change course. Also, a hydrogen fuelled boiler is a disgusting concept! Regardless if you're burning green or grey hydrogen, you'd be much better off burning electricity or natural gas directly!
@GregConquest
4 ай бұрын
I don't know how anyone can make a video on hydrogen-powered cars, and Japan, without looking at pink, purple or red hydrogen and HTTR and HTGR reactors. If the Japanese plan to produce both hydrogen and mechanical/electrical power from HTGR reactors works out, then a hydrogen economy is not only possible, butt it beats event else, other than fusion.
@jayceh
5 ай бұрын
Japanese ICE manufacturing is a cabal run by Toyoda (the person) who was vehemently anti-EV because...he didn't _understand_ electric motors - his words not mine Now, Toyota is so far behind their EV is literally just a Toyota shell on top of a BYD power train and battery system 😂
@mzs114
5 ай бұрын
This just implies that FCV will wither away and BEVs will take over!
@TheAwillz
5 ай бұрын
Bro we have to have liquid fuel. Charging stations don’t work. And battery’s are too heavy for commercial use Ergo we must have liquid fuel that can be quickly If this is the quality of your analysis then your going to be losing an AWFUL lot of money
@joez.2794
4 ай бұрын
Hydrogen is the _lightest_ element, NOT the smallest. Helium is smallest by far, which is why it was never viable in airships despite being non-flammable (leaks through pretty much anything except a steel cylinder).
@marky2022
5 ай бұрын
Exciting time to come for Hydrogen, maybe later. Not sure if everyone can see it or not...
@andrelockridge9109
3 ай бұрын
A hydrogen infrastructure is hugely prohibitive! Doesn't make any sense financially. Also long term reliability questions of the fuel cells in cars & trucks.
@uncomplicatedi
5 ай бұрын
Batteries are technology. Only recently has China emerged as the dominant producer of batteries and battery materials which is a high tech field. Japan COULD have been dominant in battery tech as they had been in semiconductor technology. Japan is no longer a scrappy underdog watching for world events that change the landscape. When china saw tesla and combined it with the global heating crisis and Beijings cancer causing air crisis they realized there was a globally important opportunity they could capitalize. China is also the most important economy for the making of things.
@benchoflemons398
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen cars are beyond moronic
@thedeadbatterydepot
5 ай бұрын
I can make green hydrogen for free at your home, my hydrogen fueling station is slow, buy two for your garage, runs off batteries, can recharge batteries with solar, no electricity costs. Don't be fooled by poor sales, this is the future, Japan can't afford gas, it's too expensive. Invest in my green battery recycling business if you want to become a millionaire in less then 5 years from now.
@simeon8360
5 ай бұрын
EVs require significant cost reductions and better carbon footprints to become feasible. At the moment they are purchased by people who are excited about the technology and subsidised often by people who cannot afford these vehicles (via the government).
@waichui2988
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen car has the classic chicken and egg problem. If you do not have a lot of cars running on the street, nobody would invest in building the refueling stations. If you do not have a lot of refueling stations, nobody will buy the cars.
@chrisja1998
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen in normal cars are so stupid. The only thing it could be used for are for ships, big trucks and planes. IF we achive fusion energy and have more or less free energy it could be feasible.
@LearningFast
5 ай бұрын
EVs don’t take an hour to charge but Hydrogen cars often take an hour to fill up because of the line or broken filling stations.
@jacobkyle4573
5 ай бұрын
While I get this is meant to be a joke, it's important to note that EVs only take less than an hour to charge at a 440v or above station, which most homes do not have the correct fuse design to install, and most public charges are level 2 chargers which are a 240v capacity. In short, if you don't own a Tesla and use the super charger network or have a unique home setup, even with a PHEV you will be waiting over an hour to fully charge.
@LearningFast
5 ай бұрын
@@jacobkyle4573 it wasn’t a joke and you are wrong. It is extremely rare that you ever charge an EV from a low percentage to 100%. Most charging stops are 15 minutes or less. If you charge at home then charging speed is irrelevant because you just charge overnight while you are sleeping.
@cyruslupercal9493
5 ай бұрын
EV cope. Charging fast degrades the battery 😂
@FriedChairs
5 ай бұрын
@@cyruslupercal9493 Nope. People that only use Superchargers repeatedly report normal degradation. I’m active in Tesla forums where people report on stuff like this. Overcharging non LFP is what causes rapid degradation. That’s why people charge to 80% or less daily.
@viewer7200
5 ай бұрын
H could be viable only as green H, gray H totally defeats the purpose of 'clean' fuel. It would the same as charging your EV from a gasoline generator. Why bother with a hydrogen produced by "methane generator", if you can fill up with a methane-converted gas car?
@deppam
5 ай бұрын
It is always impossible and difficult until the an idiot comes along and make it work and makes billions. I have learnt never doubt the human ingenuity.
@bobz1736
5 ай бұрын
His can such savvy successful companies seem to get H2 vehicles so wrong???
@evilsanta8585
5 ай бұрын
18 cents a mile isn’t bad considering my 2024 Lexus costs 23 cents a mile
@DeaconG1959
5 ай бұрын
If you cannot establish an infrastructure for fuel, it doesn't matter how damn good the tech is. Look at the dearth of charging stations for EV's now. Putting the cart before the horse does no one any favors. You're looking at 20+ years to get the infrastructure up and running, assuming someone will take the risk to finance it. Wishing don't make it so. Cash does.
@justinjones3326
5 ай бұрын
cant have hydrogen without fusion.... Livermore recently made progress but it still a ways off
@Ashwin-zg7rt
5 ай бұрын
Its good companies investing in diversifying energy sources. Cost is a factor of scale so the cost will come down eventually. All these cost discussions will be swept away once fossil fuels are depleted
@Hyperbole77
5 ай бұрын
Instead of stringing this out to a 14 minute video do you think maybe you could just answer the question?
@electrified0
5 ай бұрын
The fuel speed "advantage" has a lot of caveats to consider outside of the ideal scenario of a highway pit stop with all 3 choices. Even in the limited locations that have hydrogen stations, they are the least common ones to find by far. For electric vehicles that have the longest charge up time, many drivers can skip this fueling stop altogether by charging where they already park, or even at closer parking spots dedicated to charging in some locations. It's not uncommon for an EV driver to never visit a fast charger in multiple years of driving, and spend the least amount of time fueling as a result despite having the slowest fueling vehicle. Compared against gas and electric, hydrogen cars are the most expensive of the 3, lose the most cargo space to fuel storage, have the most expensive fuel cost per mile driven and have the fewest number of "fast fueling" stations. All these tradeoffs for the theoretical benefit of filling up faster than charging a battery, when someone charging up an EV at home is still getting a significantly better fueling experience.
@mzs114
5 ай бұрын
Just think if they had invested this in the BEV tech, we are already at the cusp of going mainstream with Sodium Ion batteries!
@seseth9971
5 ай бұрын
What happened to the good old solar panel cars?
@rtz549
4 ай бұрын
They were EV's in reality. The panels charged the batteries.
@Zripas
4 ай бұрын
Aptera is the company making solar panel powered car, fyi its BEV.
@xeridea
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen has been a pipedream for 20 years. Even ignoring cost, the inefficiency of conversion makes it a terrible way to power anything. Strange Toyota hasn't wanted to make BEVs, but keep wasting insane amounts of cash on this fairytale.
@xcw4934
5 ай бұрын
I believe hydrogen might have a place to get aviation and large trucks to zero emissions but it just doesn't make sense for private passenger vehicles where the size and weight of the battery isn't as big of a problem as for large cargo trucks and planes. The mistake seems to be more trying to force private cars to go hydrogen rather than setting up a smaller number of hydrogen truck refuelling stations which would require fewer locations to become viable.
@Brad_Fallon
5 ай бұрын
Hydrogen will be everywhere. Hydrogen is the future!
@FriedChairs
5 ай бұрын
@@Brad_Fallon And yet evidence shows it’s failing and in decline.
@bldontmatter5319
3 ай бұрын
@@FriedChairsnot really. Just in America, a country that literally EVERYONE laughs at
@gtpete6363
8 күн бұрын
The board of Toyota should be fired NOW!
@regolith1350
5 ай бұрын
Gas cars produce climate anxiety. Electric cars produce range anxiety. Hydrogen cars produce explosive instant death anxiety.
@Zebrasus137
4 ай бұрын
Well Ford already built a gas car for explosive instant death
@ddmark69
5 ай бұрын
If I had a hydrogen car, I would need to drive 3 hours to fuel up.
@GsCe-m2d
9 күн бұрын
Gonna take a long time. Spoke to Toyota off.
@elss6950
5 ай бұрын
I’m surprised who still buys these cars. 😂
@Bob.martens
5 ай бұрын
Hindenburg sight is 20/20
@JimmyDoyel-by2cp
5 ай бұрын
That fake news, if it was hydrogen you won't see flame because hydrogen flame is colorless, the fire is caused by the blimp materials instead.
@ChineseKiwi
5 ай бұрын
That is now how it works….
@philipjones3599
5 ай бұрын
The point about charging infrastructure is very telling and simultaneously exposes a hidden trump card of evs over both hydrogen and petrol and that is home charging. The beauty of it is as follows. Rich people in general have larger homed with space to install home chargers. Rich people are the same people who buy new cars. Home charging is both very convenient not having to go to a gas station and very cheap or for particularly smart people free. This combination ensures electric cars will remain popular with those who buy new cars. As the public charging network improves to meet the demand of drivers away from home it will allow more and more people to give up ice as electric car convince increases.
@Moonstone-Redux
5 ай бұрын
Even if you cannot spring for a home charger, a normal power plug can still charge a car battery. Very slowly, but enough that your average commute can be covered by an overnight charge. Even more so if you live in a 240V country.
@GSimpsonOAM
5 ай бұрын
The used car market will be non existent though. They will be worth nothing. I have never bought a new car but happy to buy an older up market used car at an acceptable price. An older hydrogen or electric car with a limited residual life is worthless
@philipjones3599
5 ай бұрын
@@GSimpsonOAM this is completely false there are evs out there now with over 450,000 miles with original battery and power train.
@GSimpsonOAM
5 ай бұрын
@@philipjones3599 I was referring to age rather than mileage
@machintrucGaming
5 ай бұрын
Cheap ? I dunno. I made the math of what the kilowatt of an EV and the price I pay per KW for home electricity... And it's about equivalent if not more expensive
@bsf225
4 ай бұрын
Why not just skip the whole exercise and just run cars on Natural Gas, given that Nat Gas is what they need to make Hydrogen? You could even create home filling stations since most homes have Nat Gas.
@logitech4873
3 ай бұрын
"most homes have nat gas" Not every country is the US
@aboutface102
5 ай бұрын
I keep coming back to 1 word, Hindenburg.
@oqlassic8799
5 ай бұрын
Is it to hard for you to citing the souces on the description?
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