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@blackmanlistening7909
Жыл бұрын
Two Tidbits: ACTION RPG's are OLDER than turn based By years. Square did not invent TURN BASED FALCOM did.
@Vulpas
Жыл бұрын
I'll never get tired of that incredible opening. Will you release an independent video of it?
@getinthering7309
Жыл бұрын
19:40 what is that game? ps1??
@louradean9293
Жыл бұрын
Have you guys played any of the growlanser games? They have interesting turn based system too.
@bownly
Жыл бұрын
Turn based RPGs are the best. They're not called turn "based" for no reason.
@RedSpade37
Жыл бұрын
Based.
@Vulpas
Жыл бұрын
Based and turn pilled.
@BigFootSize
Жыл бұрын
Based and true
@morriganrenfield8240
Жыл бұрын
Eh, i don’t think so at all. And it’s not exactly the combat systems fault but very few turn based combat nowadays rarely feels very interesting. Octopath/shin megami tensei 4/apocalypse are the best examples of modern turn based though. But even smt ruined its combat in 5.
@RedSpade37
Жыл бұрын
@@morriganrenfield8240 It is indeed territory that has been covered and conquered, time and time again, but for me personally, I just never really get tired of turn-based RPGs. It's like my "home" genre, haha.
@michaelclifton9498
Жыл бұрын
I've heard people say that action combat is the evolution of turn based combat and i disagree, they're just 2 different styles
@dukey03
Жыл бұрын
💯
@russellg9622
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@naytcorpse
Жыл бұрын
action rpg are just beat em up with rpg elements
@HallyVee
Жыл бұрын
@@naytcorpse well, could also be fighter game style action, or fps action, etc. Also I'd mention that there is also an important distinction in the AMOUNT of action... so Secret of Mana is an arpg, sure. But it is ina whole different genre than, say, Blade and Soul, or ... uh... Black Desert Online. Those are super twitch action whereas grandmas can play SoM. SoM is a aRPG, BDO is an Arpg. EQ, say, is a direct translation of RPG combat into real time live action, *while keeping the RPG combat pace.*
@realeyesrealizereallies1194
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, action combat is literally the very firsr ever.
@zantward
Жыл бұрын
Saying turn based combat is outdated is like saying 2D art is outdated. 2D is an art style many people will continue to love in the same way turn based combat is a genre many will continue to love even if the main stream moves away from it. Videos games are a form of art and art will always be subjective Personally i love turn based videogames!
@PlaystationFreak719
Жыл бұрын
Not gonna I feel like anyone that says turn based RPG's are outdated have only played pokemon and nothing else
@ampur2
Жыл бұрын
Outdated? no. Does it sell well? no. Even the best selling turn based game, pales in comparison to action games in terms of budget & revenue (except Pokemon I guess)
@arisuaozora
Жыл бұрын
Ff16 fanbois disagrees
@zatchbells
Жыл бұрын
@@arisuaozora that game is garbage its an action game and not even an rpg
@arisuaozora
Жыл бұрын
@@zatchbells ikr, its ffxiv -2 basically. Same mog design.
@ArtsyFoxo
Жыл бұрын
I think this argument of "Turn based is outdated" is so dumb mainly because a lot of people online just don't know how to accept that they have a PREFERENCE, and not everything has to be to their tastes. Some people enjoy slow/paced combat! And others may prefer something more actiony and fast paced! One doesn't have to erase the other.
@Cloud971
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for telling this
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
I agree, even in this comment section there’s a lot of people choosing sides meanwhile I’m just over here enjoying both lol. With that said I do prefer turn based, however that doesn’t stop me from being able to enjoy action games too
@CoNteMpTone
Жыл бұрын
People cant differentiate between liking things and evaluating things. I can LIKE a piece of media and still know it is objectively bad/low quality/has many flaws etc. I can LIKE turn based rpgs and still reflect on the genre as being outdated, if we think about defining the term. Which i did but im too lazy to write down on my phone.
@JSmoothSoul
Жыл бұрын
@@CoNteMpTone you put it best. Cause i agree Turn Based is outdated but i still love it. No sane Person can look at a turn based game that was made to step around severe limitations as modern and impressive. But for ME i only like games that make me think and give me time to LET ME THINK. Not mindlessly input commands and use timing.
@DragonslayerT
Жыл бұрын
People also don’t like only comedy or only action movies. There’s days where I’ll play battlefield, call of duty, chivalry 2. Other days I’ll be into persona, smt or yakuza. Peoples tastes aren’t two dimensional.
@RockEsper
Жыл бұрын
I think a strength that turn based games have over action is being able to control multiple characters at the same time. Sure there are action RPGs where you can change characters on the fly, but in a turn based RPG, everyone's working together simultaneously and you're in control of it all. You simply can't do that in a real time game. That reason alone gives turn based RPGs value, imo
@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725
Жыл бұрын
Yes. You get a certain role playing experience out of turn based strategy games you can't get with action games. The pace allows for introspection and thought to be placed on the characters and story. A lot of people don't understand this
@JSmoothSoul
Жыл бұрын
Realtime strategy is a genre Bro. I don't like it but it's a thing.
@richardcaraballo1185
Жыл бұрын
I legitimately will not play an action rpg where you have multiple party members, I just can't get with that style. Which means I miss out on a lot of modern action rpg's, but I'm ok with that.
@Azure9577
Жыл бұрын
@@JSmoothSoulrealtime strategy games have dogshit combat on an individual level, but it's a strategy game so it dosen't matter A turn based characters can have hundreds of abilities, magics, skills etc etc while a RTS character would just do a basic attack repeatedly with the same damage
@islandboy9381
Жыл бұрын
This is why designing a great party of characters for turn based RPG's is way more essential than action ones.
@JamesDavis-nu5lx
Жыл бұрын
Turn based RPG are NEVER outdated or "getting old" even if we get modern releases like Octopath Traveler 2 and Chained Echoes the combat system just never gets old (to me that is).
@ampur2
Жыл бұрын
it never gets old to you because you are getting older with it. Come on
@ZephyrFate
Жыл бұрын
However, Octopath Traveler 2 was a certified flop sales-wise. People aren't buying them.
@projectmessiah
Жыл бұрын
@@ZephyrFateGames like Persona and Smt are only growing in popularity so Octopath 2 isn't the only example one should give.
@NaroLucian
Жыл бұрын
@@ZephyrFatewhat do you mean it's a flop? Octopath 2 sold over a million copies already
@Louis_Cyphriel
10 ай бұрын
@@NaroLucian thanks to lack of promotion from Square, it's sales multiplatform barely reached sales of the 1st when it was Nintendo exclusive ans promoted to hell by Nintendo.
@mickwritesmaui
Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised we haven’t seen more games adopt Legend of Legaia’s battle system. For those who don’t know, you inputted different directions on the D-pad for combos, and as you leveled up, you had more slots added for additional input. Mostly, your “combos” wouldn’t amount to anything, but other times, you stumbled upon a special combination of directions that unlocked special moves with a corresponding animation and increased attack damage. That discovery feeling was intoxicating.
@russellg9622
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for anyone to re release that game. I remember as a kid I jumped back and forth between FF7 and Legend of Legaia because I liked the story and how easy FF7 was but I enjoyed the combat and difficulty of Legend of Legaia better.
@shelterfromcold8620
Жыл бұрын
Such a fun game!
@jonathan3633
Жыл бұрын
Mannnn, such a good battle system, such a good game, such a fire soundtrack.
@russellg9622
Жыл бұрын
I’m tempted to get myself a PC this weekend just to emulate it and have a challenge where arts can only be learned using the auto battle feature. I remember it wasn’t an easy game when I was younger but I think it would be fun.
@disregard7275
Жыл бұрын
Lost Odyssey a older Xbox JRPG also had something like this with its turned based combat. Kinda similar to Legends of Dragoon for those older folks like myself who grew up in that era
@kmre88
Жыл бұрын
bravely default is also an excellent example for modern turn-based RPG
@mountainhorse9419
Жыл бұрын
Was trying to find a bravely default comment! Only wish the story/gameplay loop were handled better...
@absfinal
Жыл бұрын
i am currently playing it and i love it. Soundtrack is way too good
@Louis_Cyphriel
10 ай бұрын
Tried it so many times and just can't get into it's gameplay whatsoever. I feel like I don't understand something about it, since I'm just in love with Octopath.
@mikeg4490
Жыл бұрын
"Turn based is outdated" The sales of Persona 5 and DQ11 proves this fallacy completely wrong by the millions. Last time i checked(it's been a while so fact check me) I'm pretty sure they've both outsold FF7r.
@mehdihachlaf5081
Жыл бұрын
yes but only because those games had great stories and soundtracks, otherwise turn based is thing of the past.
@Centrioless
Жыл бұрын
Huh? P5 required 3years to break 3million sales when ff7r only needed 1week.
@KaiHyouookami
Жыл бұрын
@@mehdihachlaf5081 So you disproved your own argument by pushing the point that "Any system will be good as long as the product is made with quality"
@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725
Жыл бұрын
@mehdihachlaf5081 not true. It's like saying chess is outdated because sports exist. Turn based or strategy based games in general provide a different experience from action titles and they are not outdated or a thing of the past because you don't understand that
@mehdihachlaf5081
Жыл бұрын
@KaiHyouookami not really, it's good to consider that those games sell mostly due to nostalgia, just like pokemon, turn based is outdated, slow ans boring as hell to me.
@PaladinLarec
Жыл бұрын
As a 47 year old, I've defended TB RPGs all throughout my life. Used to get hated for it on sites I wrote for or forums I was on. Yet get this: I know this kid at work, 24 years old, and HE agrees with me. Turn-based is better. Kid is the light of hope.
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
This is great to hear. I’ve read some comments on the channel from younger kids who are still interested in checking out the SNES/PS1 turn based classics which gives me hope as well
@abc4781
Жыл бұрын
Personally I don't believe one is better than the other, I just love RPG'S.
@Azure9577
Жыл бұрын
I am 17 and I agree, most action games are button mashy, some of them are good but most aren't
@kindlestix8079
7 ай бұрын
I’d argue that neither type of game is better I like them both
@leolightfellow
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this. It's pretty odd when anyone actually says turn-based games are dead, like there'll never be turn-based games from this point forward. Not everybody wants super high-octane car chase/explosion action stuff all the time. People want strategy games, cozy games, story games, etc. too. It's okay for different people to like different stuff. Anyways, it's a great video. I'm glad to see jrpgs making a resurgence in recent years. :)
@richardcaraballo1185
Жыл бұрын
Yakuza : Like A Dragon legit got me back into this genre. That game was perfect to me, the random encounters were fast, the visuals kept me engaged, the story was incredibly well told, and the music was lit. I still hum the battle theme in my head. Best modern JRPG I've played recently, though i don't have nearly the amount of time necessary to play alot of games these days.
@mikeehrmantraut1899
Жыл бұрын
I agree it has got to be if not the best Turn Based RPG of all time
@macuser7048
Жыл бұрын
Persona 5 for me
@porina_pew
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Really looking forward to the sequel. Can't come soon enough. Been looking for anything else that comes close to it, but without success. Honkai Star Rail comes closest, but as a gacha the story delivery being drip fed means it'll take forever.
@richardcaraballo1185
Жыл бұрын
@@porina_pew I can't think of anything that comes remotely close. Persona 5 is in the ballpark, but not quite, as it's still a persona game and leans heavy into the fantasy themes. Closest we'll get more than likely is the actual sequel, which can't come soon enough IMO.
@JSmoothSoul
Жыл бұрын
it would've been better without random encounters
@heybirddawg1055
Жыл бұрын
As a guy who watches A LOT of football, I appreciate the gap you bridged between the needs and the jocks 😂 I was waiting for you to cover strategy rpgs, but great video man! 👍
@matthuck378
Жыл бұрын
I wish we'd get more turn-based RPGs. Especially JRPGs. If FF16 was turn-based, I'd be ecstatic.
@russellg9622
Жыл бұрын
Same for me. I was hoping that if anyone could come up with an innovative turned based rpg it would be square but it seems like they have gone to the point of no return now.
@raulmatamoros9376
Жыл бұрын
Me too. I hope FF16 would had at least a battle system like Tales of saga 😢 not a complete hack and Slash.
@beerious8392
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I thought FF7 remake, and FF15 were garbage. If it isn't turn based, it certainly isn't final fantasy. They have failed us. I don't recall even paying attention to my materia in remake, I just mashed buttons until I won EVERY combat. And walking around repetitive, depressing midgar the whole game? Nope, I only completed it because I loved the original so much. As far as FF15, as soon as I started driving around in a car with 3 dudes in leather pants, I puked in my mouth a bit. Then when I learned the combat, I snapped the disk in half to prevent future generations from having to experience such garbage. Final fantasy has.complwtely failed us, it it time we admit it. FF16, is just more of the same nonsense. Let's stop deluding ourselves into thinking final fantasy has evolved into something good. It hasn't.
@jacobmonks3722
Жыл бұрын
@@russellg9622Just play Bravely Default. It's classic Final Fantasy in practically everything but name.
@ampur2
Жыл бұрын
if FF16 was turn-based, it's just another generic FF game, only the same old customer would play, some might even not, no newcomer will even touch the fuckin game because it says 16.
@AkaiAzul
Жыл бұрын
In Bravely Default, you can defend (Default) to gain BP, and later spend BP in either strong moves or extra turns. Very cool turn manipulation.
@Louis_Cyphriel
10 ай бұрын
As much as I tried it out, I just couldn't figure out this battle system to not be boring because of the exploitability of it. Somehow, Octopath made so much more sense instantly, while with Bravely there's like no reason to use Default at all. Either stuck Bravely or just attack as normal.
@AkaiAzul
10 ай бұрын
@@Louis_Cyphriel Default can be used to make turns a bit more efficient. You could attack twice and get hit twice, or Default first, Brave on turn two, get hit 1.5 times damage over those two turns. Or, your healer isn't going to be able to do much this turn as everyone is full, so Default, save that turn you stored when needed later.
@amimm7776
5 ай бұрын
You can also go into BP debt by having turns you'd have later earlier which makes it way more dynamic
@athorem
Жыл бұрын
I think the people making the argument that turn based RPGs are outdated just don't like turn based RPGs. And not liking them is ok, but not every playstyle has to be catered to every player. Action players can't say they're outdated just because they prefer instant gratification and don't want to strategize - there are plenty of people who want the opposite.
@L0nelyWarri0r
Жыл бұрын
I love turn-based and tactical combat systems, they're like a chess tournament with increasingly interesting opponents, they make you think with your head instead of stupidly pounding one button to stab your opponent with your sword.
@AL-nv4gk
7 ай бұрын
Pick attack from menu =chess you're so desperate to feel smarter or more skilled than a Gta, Red Dead, Skyrim or soulslike 100 percenter for a little bit of menuing gtfo 😂 the games I mentioned cleary take more skill and know how & trial and error for a first time player than any turn based rpg, but turn based is chessss oookay smarty! you so smart for clicking big damage out of the menu! Much moreso than me and my fast twich reflexes it took to beat all the bosses on Nioh 0 damage. 😂🤓🤫😂😂
@btones
Жыл бұрын
One thing I’ve always respected about RPGs in general, and turn-based games in particular, is the sheer variety in systems that have been developed. Every single turn-based RPG I’ve ever played has always had its own unique take on turn-based mechanics. And not just subtle differences either, but often vastly different designs for combat structure, pacing, specific systems (use of magic, card-based, point pools, etc.), and player choice. Some have been more action-focused, others strategy-with both being genres in their own right. Shit, I’d argue the depth and diversity in turn-based games is far, far greater than most of the popular genres out there. Not superficially either, but conceptually and structurally. Where gamers are forced to re-learn a game like chess each and every time they pick up a new title: the pieces are same but the rules have all been rewritten. Always building on what came before it, always evolving, and limited by nothing but a developers creativity. Anyone thinking the genre is dead is… I guess, entitled to their dead-wrong opinion. And probably not to be trusted to watch your kids or pets.
@careymorton7800
Жыл бұрын
No one EVER EVER talks about Vagrant Story. It may have had the most unique battle system ever. A hybrid of action rpg and turn based with chain attacks aaaand weapon range factors used to target specific body parts etc. And no random encounters. Enemies were on screen.
@carlostejeda4341
Жыл бұрын
Mix that with old school Resident evil and you have parasite eve, very good games (except the last one), vagrant story also was very good, but both are practically the definition of a niche game, hope they get a remaster or a remake, a proper remake of a studio that knows what made those games special.
@barkhorn-cj9dr
Жыл бұрын
One said that vagrant was like the first darksoul...i died many times
@Mysterynovus
Жыл бұрын
I have it, and I would love to see a modern game implement its mechanics - or failing that, at least a Vagrant Story remaster that kept the battle system.
@JonathanBarcelosG
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that it had not very logical and sometimes unfair mechanics, doubt having a guy in frunt of you and miss the hit ahahaha hate it
@dr_ubo
Жыл бұрын
Indivisible was also a great spiritual sequel, sadly overlooked.
@Drstrange3000
Жыл бұрын
I don't think turn-based games as a whole are outdated, but I think the RPGMaker/Dragon Quest/FF1-3 traditional formula is. There is so much you can do with turn-based gameplay. We have numerous amounts of tactical turn-based games that add a lot more depth and layers to the traditional formula. Then we have games like Earthbound/Undertale, Yakuza LaD, and Mario and Luigi RPG series that adds more engagement due to actively dodging and timing hits. Lastly, you have hybrids like Xenoblade Chronicles and FF7 Remake (I think it nailed the balance between action and turn-based combat). There is a world of difference between something like Divinity Original Sin 2 and Advance Wars than a formulaic turn-based games that chase the classics without doing anything novel. I think modern turn-based games need more engagement and depth as well as less reliance on grinding (trash mobs) and more unique and memorable enemy encounters.
@Morraak
Жыл бұрын
This is a perfect example of why turn based games are still relevant. Ideas can come about and systems don't have to remain stagnant. Really great video!
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah I feel there’s a lot of untapped potential to still be explored for sure
@ERoBB1
Жыл бұрын
I think a more dynamic camera during turn based combat would help. There's no reason a battle couldnt play out like a Naughty Dog cutscene. Animations could be totally fluid once you've chosen the attack.
@Drstrange3000
Жыл бұрын
While not as dynamic, I really like how Yakuza Like a Dragon has such a fluid combat for a turn based game. You also time dodges and hits and you see every action happen on the field. Everyone is constantly moving and your positioning matters. Depending on where you are or if you are near a certain team member you may do a follow up action or grab a nearby obstacle and start swinging.
@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725
Жыл бұрын
Yea there are definitely options and turn based or strategy games have never reached their full potential imo.
@macuser7048
Жыл бұрын
FFVII came up with camera angles in battle. Grandia 2 had it too. So did Panzer Dragoon Saga.
@KitCloud1
Жыл бұрын
This! Turn based gameplay minimizes player input to focus on strategy but because there's less opportunity for the player to screw up and less variables in what they choose to do, they are built to be cinematic
@Nextliar
Жыл бұрын
One of my favorites battle system is the one of phantasy star 4. The macros and how the order of the macro makes the speed of the characters change it's awesome
@IffyJottere
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! I'm surprised Broductions didn't catch that one. It did the combination magic system that BOF4 was mentioned for first, AND has a simple, elegant solution for making those combos easier. With Macros, you can open the menu before combat, and slot in which party member uses which skill and when. Enemies can still, sometimes, interrupt their initiative, but using Macros, setting combo participants next to one another in turn order is a BIG help. (as long as you put the slower participants earlier, for best results)
@IffyJottere
Жыл бұрын
Chaz: Tsu Rune: Wat Alys: Foi TRIBLASTER ???? PROFIT
@grawlix311
Жыл бұрын
I just loved how you get to control the character movement during battle in DQ11. It added no value but made the tedium of basic turn-based combat kind of unique and fun
@rhysegozun
Жыл бұрын
I really like the combat system of the Grandia series and Final Fantasy 12. I feel like they blend the real time and turn based combat and make the gameplay more fluid. The fact that you can also pause, have a breather and get a grip on your surroundings before choosing your next action is great
@macuser7048
Жыл бұрын
I think Grandia 1 and 2 might be a little better imo.
@acerimmer8338
Жыл бұрын
I'm w/ you. Loved FF12's Gambit system. So much opportunity. I'd add Baldur's Gate 1/2. While CRPG, they combine realtime w/ some mild turn-based elements like casting times and the ability to pause whenever.
@chaz16425
Жыл бұрын
Lol the chrome trigger joke made me genuinely laugh. This is definitely one of my favorite KZitem channels when I want to have a little nostalgia with some good jrpgs 🎉
@snazzydrew
Жыл бұрын
I actually laughed out loud!
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Haha love to hear that! Thanks for watching and glad to hear you enjoy the content
@richardwatson5730
Жыл бұрын
I prefer turn based rpgs due to making strategic decisions and seeing the outcomes at my own pace. Even atb type systems & auto battlers like ff13 & xenoblade chronicles offer the same feeling to a degree. I don't like all my rpgs feeling like an open-world version of devil may cry. Not knocking action games by any means, they're just great for a certain mood. I played an arpg recently that had a "classic mode" that swapped the encounters to be turn based and it was awesome having that option!
@FoNgThOnG
Жыл бұрын
Turn-Based will never be outdated. It has been on the decline with Japanese developers trying to appeal to the west but then you got developers still giving us turn-based hits like Persona, Yakuza Like a Dragon, and even Honkai Star Rail. Yakuza Like a Dragon was amazingly fun.
@macuser7048
Жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is Sega is keeping the genre alive? :D
@pridefall3304
Жыл бұрын
this will never not be hilarious to me that Square Enix specifically were like "westerners can't sit still enough for TB so let's destroy our flagship identity to appeal to them" then Hoyo swoops in at the same time with Honkai and gets 20mil players. I've been laughing ever since
@tylorhobbs8920
Жыл бұрын
It's been fun watching this conversation take place in the Gatcha sphere with the guys who made Genshin releasing their follow up, a turn based RPG.
@lucasm4790
Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with turn based is that AAA studios, in general, don't want to make them because the majority of players prefer action games, and AAA games are made for the majority. Plain and simple.
@macuser7048
Жыл бұрын
So you end up with action RPGs with sexy anime girls. lol
@lucasm4790
Жыл бұрын
@@macuser7048 I see this as an absolute win
@statesminds
Жыл бұрын
I never understood people saying they’re outdated. Action rpgs go all the way back to the 80s lol.
@zatchbells
Жыл бұрын
this was a mindset born from the rise and success of kingdom hearts on the ps2 once that game came out you had game journalists and fanboys of that game coming out to bash turn based rpg's claiming that its outdated and no longer needed since graphics and hardware got better
@macuser7048
Жыл бұрын
Ys was sort of. You could count Zelda. Sword of Vermillion, Hydlide, I guess Ultima?
@jaycenteno8385
Жыл бұрын
This vid was so much fun to sit through. The Toonami like feeling I got from the intro/outro/intermission, the amazing music throughout the whole thing, the lore at the end and a bonus cat toy vid tossed in for good measure. This was just great, put me in such a good mood! :D
@johnnythhane
Жыл бұрын
SaGa Scarlet Grace is a really good example of a modern RPG with a turn order bar, allows for a LOT of manipulation with characters able to see an enemy's pierce attack coming and setup a counter for it.
@kevinstreetgaming
Жыл бұрын
Great video! I recently finished playing through the Trails in the Sky trilogy for the first time and I loved the combat system. There is so much strategy involved with it, not only based on which characters you decide to use, but what you mentioned about the different abilities and status effects that pop up throughout the battles. What an excellent story too. Okay, when are you going to a dedicated video to a Trails game? Haha!
@jorgesaito461
Жыл бұрын
I prefer turn based rpgs than action rpgs.
@ramblincam
Жыл бұрын
As requested, I would Skies of Arcadia's Spirit Points system is basically a Stamina system or at least a hybrid. Spirit Points regenerate at a certain rate per round, and skills cost SP. The max SP and regeneration rate grow with your level. Regular attacks, magic, items, or defending don't cost SP however, so you can use those strategically to save up SP. Also bonus points for element-based combat and extra point for ship-based combat. The main complaint is a high random encounter rate of the original on the DC, but that was fixed on the GC port. If you haven't, there's basically no reason to not play it.
@sneakyking
Жыл бұрын
Choice can be punished and rewarded appropriately, due to the turn based nature.
@Khalith
Жыл бұрын
I feel like bravely default is the answer to a lot of the issues. It really went out of its way to be approachable and player friendly.
@aljongreat1900
Жыл бұрын
What i like about turn based is that it doesnt rely much on mechanical skills so older people is not gonna be behind younger people in being good at the game
@Zoular
Жыл бұрын
Really love when you make videos like these, I can re-find my love for the genre and find some hidden gems to play, also a reminder of my Wishlist
@Little1Cave
8 ай бұрын
Remember, this year’s most acclaimed video game is Baldur’s Gate 3, a turn-based RPG. The best-selling RPG franchise of all time is Pokémon, which is again turn-based. People are even hyped about Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario: Thousand-Year Door remakes. Turn-based combat is not going away anytime soon. ^-^
@WhatAboutZoidberg
Жыл бұрын
You nailed most of my favorite systems. I will def add Saga Frontier for me. Sparking new techs and finding new combos on each playthrough is still fun as hell for me. I still need to play radiant historia, but that system of using more turns to do crazier attacks is such a cool and unique one.
@richardcaraballo1185
3 ай бұрын
Another category you should have added: Visuals. I can't tell you how the animations of a certain attack/skill add entertainment to the game. Like A Dragon for example, I'll never get tired of seeing a Host bash someone's face in with a cake or spray someone in the face with a bottle of wine, or a Breaker bust out a windmill to take out a crowd of enemies. Legend of Legaia was also great at this, as was Xenogears. Watching Vaughn or Noa flip all over the place will never get old, neither will the numerous Deathblows Fei and company can execute. It goes quite a long way in keeping things fresh and interesting.
@vinigmoura
Жыл бұрын
Battle Chasers: Nightwar is such a GREAT turn based RPG, very simple, fast paced, great system, history etc etc
@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person
Жыл бұрын
Turn-based RPGs are a genera that can accept all sorts of things and still be a Turn-based rpg. I mean, it's probably the most trivial way to implement any combat mechanics. As long you have an object with a number associated to it that you want to turn into 0, while avoiding one number associated to the player to go to 0, and you take turns to try diminishing it, it's already a minimum viable product example of a turn-based RPG mechanic. You can literally do this with dices and a pen, or even rock-paper-scissors with best of 10. Since it's so simple to implement, devs can make their talent go wild, just like how musicians can go wild with just the seven notes of the C Major Scale. I think, as an aspiring musician, that the turn-based rpg mechanics are to games as DAWs are to music: It let's you focus on other things that you want to focus. I don't think I'd ever be able to try being a musician without a DAW, since I cannot play an entire orchestra or a studio setup for myself, nor I can afford hiring one. I think most devs wouldn't be able to turn their ideas into games either if they had always to make combat be in real time. To be honest, I don't doubt the majority of video games on internet are either Turn-based RPGs, Point-and-click adventure games and Visual Novels, which at least on gameplay mechanics are the easiest genera to implement, especially with the existence of tools like RPG Maker and Ren'py. If you are good at drawing or writing, all three play along really well with your skills, so you don't need to afoord another person in your tight budget, specially on more personal projects you want full control. I'm planning to make a game, and I'm still in doubt whether I do an Turn-Based RPG or a Deck-Based RPG for the combat mechanics. Maybe I'll do both at the same time. Cards are not much different than menu buttons in functionality after all, but are cooler in looks. It feels good to have a card in your digital deck.
@IndexInvestingWithCole
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this. I was going to buy the ff7 remake until I saw they had switched from turn based. I think it’s more popular in general but I can never get into it.
@aetheruszhou1526
Жыл бұрын
Same reason preventing me from buying FF16
@AJ-po6up
Жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you, and yes it's the same reason modern FF don't click with me. Square-Enix seems hellbent on killing turn-based RPGs though with the rumor now that even Dragon Quest is going to be "modernized" and changed.
@dukey03
Жыл бұрын
@@aetheruszhou1526yuuup! Same here dude!
@graysonpeddie
Жыл бұрын
@@AJ-po6up So "turn based" and "modern" does not belong in the same sentence. I kind of want to see some photo-realistic turn-based JRPG games that could push my GeForce RTX 4070 to the max even at 4K resolution. :)
@awetistic5295
Жыл бұрын
FFVII's turn-based system with the materia was so much fun. I wish they would have kept it, maybe with a twist. Updated graphics and turn-based combat shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
@LinkRammer
Жыл бұрын
I've noticed a strange correlation between liking turn-based rpgs and being a weeb. And as someone who doesn't like either, I see this as an absolute win.
@AL-nv4gk
7 ай бұрын
Huge correlation its sad people bringing Honkai Star Rail and shit in the comments 😂😂
@astrahcat1212
Жыл бұрын
Thanks to Atlus and hopefully DQ12 no not outdated.
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for the next entries
@astrahcat1212
Жыл бұрын
@@GamingBroductions I have faith Metaphor will be great.
@guruthosamarthruin4459
Жыл бұрын
On the "random encounters" front, as you mentioned, not many modern games have them. I'd also add that some Action RPGs also have random encounters (Star Ocean/Tales of).
@dukey03
Жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video guys! I love the way you break it all down and explain all the nuances of the different innovative ways developers have done turn based combat
@matthuck378
Жыл бұрын
Divinity Original Sin 2 has some of the best turn-based combat I've ever played. I wish there was an 'endless dungeon' mode to that game, haha.
@Drstrange3000
Жыл бұрын
Same. It really set the bar of RPGs for me in general. I loved how much freedom you had in and out of combat and how much depth there was.
@LeonardoBramante
Жыл бұрын
SaGa Scarlet Graces, yes play this game. The battle system is pretty impressive with a lot of variation in gameplay and adjusting for things. You have counter attacks (activated if somebody uses the type of attack that it counters) that will break up turn order, delayed attacks, fast attacks, and an ally/enemy killed with be taken off the turn grid, and then "link" the ones it was between together. If it's the same type (ally/ally or enemy/enemy), it'll immediately start a powerful followup attack with all of those units (without using their turn) on the next target that could potentially 1-shot them. Best part is both you and the enemy can use it. And every weapon specializes in something different here, which is what adds to the customization and strategy. Buffs and debuffs are really strong here too, and could potentially make/break you.
@haughtygarbage5848
Жыл бұрын
As long as Persona is making the big bucks i really dont think this genre has anything to worry about
@Thirteen13551355
Жыл бұрын
Um... Pokémon?
@ryanross3824
Жыл бұрын
Also octopath traveller was a nice return to the classic formats.
@richardcaraballo1185
Жыл бұрын
The Yakuza ( or rather now, the Like A Dragon) franchise going the Turn based route bodes pretty well for the genre too.
@Jackaraia
Жыл бұрын
Legend of Legaia in the thumbnaill? This is how we win!
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Massive love for Legaia, it was the first serious RPG I ever played and the one that got me really hooked on the genre
@omgponies111
Жыл бұрын
Turn-Based being outdated is somewhat true in the sense it went from being a necessity due to technical limitations to being a game design choice.
@thegamersician
Жыл бұрын
I SEE GB, I CLICK. Just fired this up with the popcorn- turnbased RPGs forever!
@murky16
Жыл бұрын
Bro fr I love when I see a new one of their vids in my sub box let’s goooo!!
@thegamersician
Жыл бұрын
@@murky16 big facts! they're the homies!
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! I’ll never get tired of winding down to some classic turn based RPGs at night
@Sundji
10 ай бұрын
Bro I played football for 7 years and never realized the reason it clicks with me so much is because it's pretty much a turn based game.
@NeutralGloomBot
Жыл бұрын
Turn based games never stopped being made so I always scratch my head when people go insane when say a FF game is not turn based. Who cares? Its also ok to like more than one combat system. I play RPGs for the story, characters, and music, not the combat system. That's just an extra.
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
I agree, while really fun combat can bring up a game to top tier status, for me it’s mainly just a vehicle to get to the big story and character moments. That and atmosphere are the main reasons I play RPGs, not really the combat
@kclink1579
Жыл бұрын
Just literal facts they will never be outdated/old/not relevant or needed.
@Fireflyfan821
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! This expressed everything I've been feeling and a lot more eloquently. Here's hoping turn based falls back in favor soon. I got FFXVI and I do like the story, I don't like the gameplay, I just wear the accessory that lets me mash square😑
@cariyaputta
4 ай бұрын
The most underrated turn based RPG genre is the physical based sling shot combat mechanic like DDTank but offline, I'm surprise that no one has make this.
@TheRopiak
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Great examples and the visuals/sound design are so chill. I really like Octopath system however I wish they added (or all JRPGs added lol) an auto battle for lazy turns. if they want it to pick more then just attacks too that would be fine. I think combos and timed attacks could go a long way in most RPGs.
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! An auto battle feature in Octopath would be really nice, selecting the right weaknesses for every enemy during random battles can get a little tedious lol. Maybe my only real gripe with the battle system
@Lunariant
Жыл бұрын
Your long intro video is a whole mood. I'd love to watch a 5+ minute video of just that
@evilblanketfish
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Hope more people watch it. So tired of seeing people lamenting "There aren't any turn based jrpgs anymore" every time a new FF comes out and isn't turn based like that's the only series there is.
@reiroy
Жыл бұрын
Been playing FF16 since release and was feeling.. Kinda stale. My sister was stuck on FFX on one of its battles and I decided to help and damnnnnn. The strategic element for turn based games just never feel old. So good to get some thought into it
@slashinghades7347
Жыл бұрын
You're not wrong about 16. The combat is ridiculously easy with most enemies dying in a few hits. The game also doesn't call for any strategy since elemental weaknesses don't exist (you can kill bombs with fire spells) and you can spam the first two fire eikon attacks in most battles. And then there's the useless stats, useless party members and the half baked gear and crafting systems.
@guruthosamarthruin4459
Жыл бұрын
On the "outdated" front, Action RPGs even existed before Turn-Based did.
@RedSpade37
Жыл бұрын
I have found my people. Turn-Based RPGs might be my favorite genre of all video games, if only because I never really get tired of them. I think that's another good reason they will never be outdated, because I can't be the only one, you know?
@Azure9577
Жыл бұрын
Don't worry bro, you ain't the only one Turn based and strategy shall live forever. brainless mindless button mashers are bad
@SifuSong78
6 күн бұрын
The Shadow Hearts series greatly improved what Legend of Dragoon was trying to do. Still can get tricky, but you could modify the disks. And you can see the character attack after you complete the action instead of those icons for the button press.
@jg5upa831
Жыл бұрын
Imagine pokemon moving around the field after attacking like in Grandia
@BinaryDood
Жыл бұрын
I think Battle Network and Star Force are perfect examples of Turn Based combat that completely hold the game on their own without the need for a good epic story that JRPGs are known for.
@AL-nv4gk
7 ай бұрын
Not nearly the amount of tedium or grind either when conpared to most jrps and an actually engaging battle system?! refrains me from calling them jrpgs, since they usually don't have such things 😂 reconize weakness then attack still there in the above series too but the control over movement and chips/cards and combos make it alot more engaging.
@AJ-po6up
Жыл бұрын
It's sad how Square-Enix seems so hellbent on killing turn-based RPGs, there's even the rumor that now they're planning on changing Dragon Quest! of all things the grandfather of JRPGs, the true last bastion of turn-based combat. If they really make DQ another "modern" action-oriented Devil May Cry clone then I really will be done with mainstream JRPGs from SE. Long live turn based RPGS!
@TheNrat
Жыл бұрын
Dq 12 is a commmand system it is turn based at least lol but if square wanna try make dq be appeal to god of war last of us fan they be tripping
@Drstrange3000
Жыл бұрын
WHAT?!! You guys need to do more research. They have actively been supporting turn-based games. They just focused more of them to AA development. They popularized HD2D with games like Octopath Traveler 1+2 and Triangle Strategy which is now giving rise to a whole SNES era resurgence of indie JRPGs. They have other games like Voice of Cards series. They just announced Dragon Quest Monsters: The Dark Prince. They are making a DQ3 remake. They made other turn based JRPGs in the past like World of Final Fantasy which saw little success even though it wasn't bad, and I don't think Bravely Default 2 sold as well. I think they are allowed to change up the Dragon Quest formula for once after 40 freaking years. My goodness.
@didjargo
Жыл бұрын
I feel that turn-based battles have an aspect that cannot be done with any other kind of battle system, they give the player full and equal control over a party of characters. Real-time battles can only practically give the player control over one character at a time, leaving the rest of the party to be directed by AI. This makes the rest of the party inconsequential in battle compared to the main character.
@TenderViddlez
Жыл бұрын
The people who say RPGs are outdated are those same people back in the day that shit on RPGs even when they were one of the most popular genres. The problem with today is that now everybody is a "gamer". And with that, comes alot of casual people who normally like to play games that are like movies and take no amount of effort or thinking. Give them a shooter, fifa, etc. just something they can pick up and put down in 10 minutes and they love it. Anything where they have to read, pay attention, micromanage multiple characters and well "ItS oUtDaTeD"
@keonhobgood1551
Жыл бұрын
Facts and these same people have ruined FF it’s never gonna be the same again sadly 🤦🏽♂️ oh well at least 16 had a great story
@nguyen275
5 ай бұрын
I have 2 problems in mind with turn based rpg. It is that usually when you learn a new skill/move, it makes the previous move/skill obsolete like i noticed in Like a Dragon 7. Once you learn the essence skills, there is little point in using the first few skills of that job. And yeah i know they balance that by having high mp cost, but can be solved by using mp recovery items. My other problem is how the equipments in turn based rpg if not most rpg are just stats sticks, bland, basic, and generic, and nothing unique or interesting like add effects to a specific skill(s) or change how you play that character. Like a build diversity. No, they're usually go the route of "best in slot" equipment type of RPG.
@collin2401
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I love it when people give Chained Echoes the credit it deserves! Such an underrated gem
@saiwaqa2573
Жыл бұрын
When i saw the title i knew it would a be a video about chained echoes.
@joshtgoad
Жыл бұрын
Chained Echoes is hands down one of the best RPG experiences I've played in years. Here's to hoping Sea of Stars lives up to all the - hopefully - well deserved hype.
@shawnk7243
Жыл бұрын
The quality does really show through on your videos too!
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, we appreciate that!
@deiradinn
Жыл бұрын
They're for people who can't adapt to action nowadays seems like and then they cry about it. Turned based games are almost always very easy. Allowing you to outlevel the challenge on easy enemies for hours but just hitting attack or allowing auto battle to play. Strategy games are still great. I'm 39, been playing RPGs since the NES and turned based bores me a lot faster than action RPGs and makes little sense lining them up to attack one at a time. I'm still going to play them but I see what they're being made less and less and less people are buying them.
@rndhoody2634
Жыл бұрын
There's this delusion that people who play turn based can't play action games. I play both. I can and do because these two systems aren't interchangeable. They scratch different itches altogether. This is because turnbased combat exists mostly so players can play more than one character at the same time and manage resources much in the way you do a party in DnD.
@deiradinn
Жыл бұрын
@@rndhoody2634 I'm fine with turned based RPGs as long as they don't allow you to outlevel the challenge and aren't very slow.
@saiwaqa2573
Жыл бұрын
lmao and action games can be very easy as well. If that is your only point, then you don't really have one.
@Azure9577
Жыл бұрын
You are the kind of person the first minute of the video makes fun of Play actually good turn based games
@wudly9195
Жыл бұрын
Never saw your channel before, but holy shit that intro is amazing . Like everything I love meshed into one clip
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Thanks and welcome to the channel! We’re all about the 90’s Japanese culture over here
@javiermontiero4982
Жыл бұрын
Im worried for the future of turn based rpgs. The success of FF16 will surely influence the market to some degree. Its a shame. Really hope FF goes back to turn based but i doubt it at this point.
@saiwaqa2573
Жыл бұрын
We are yet to see if its a success or not. overshadowed by the glowing ratings given by paid commercial reviewers, or shills as i like to call them, is a very disappointed community in many elements of the game. After the dust settles from the all the hype, we will see if its really successful or not. And 3 mil shipped and sold (which is not 3mil sold) is imo a far cry from SE expectations to reach a broader audience.
@hyperplayrpg
Жыл бұрын
Keep yer modern Final Devil-May-Cry-tasies! Turn-based battlers have never been in ruder health. SMTV, Persona 5, Chained Echoes, Sea Of Stars, all the glorious remasters and remakes (FFX), even Xenoblade is accessible to those who are ARPG-averse! Love it. We're very happy turn-based lovers at HyperPlay RPG Towers.
@nicolasdemers2685
Жыл бұрын
Turn-based Rpg are my favorite type of game... They feel more relax to me... Not all game need to be call of duty.... And some time I can play more then one game at the same time... I remember realy well playing Dofus and Pokemon when it was not my turn as a kid.
@mahendrayulia2704
Жыл бұрын
Every RPG is unique with it's own battle system
@ProxyDoug
Жыл бұрын
That lo-fi soundtrack really goes well with old school RPGs.
@esotericmayne
Жыл бұрын
That intermission FF7 beat did not have to go that hard! Great video, the production was 🔥🔥🔥 wow!
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@Brocknoth
5 ай бұрын
Great video, you guys make a lot of excellent points covering systems near and dear to my heart. Though I think my personal favorite will always be the "plan ahead" style of games like FF10. Though SMT is a close second. On the topic of games that have turn manipulation if any of you haven't played Radiant Historia you should seriously check it out anyway you can. Originally a DS game IIRC it got a re-release on the 3DS. Personally I'd just emulate the original but you didn't hear that from me ; )
@rayceeya8659
Жыл бұрын
The Trails series is my new Final Fantasy.. I am so hooked on those games.
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Very quality series for sure. The world building, battle system and music are all top tier
@Azure9577
Жыл бұрын
Trails is my favourite as well I never played mainline final fantasy, so when I recently did I was disappointed with them because I had already played trails lmao
@KT1459
Жыл бұрын
You're one of the reasons why I love KZitem. Keep em coming!
@GamingBroductions
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, will do!
@rudidellama3718
Жыл бұрын
After playing so many turn-base rpgs, I can only tolerate super simple battle systems when everything else in the game stand out. Like you point out turn manipulation is great and more games should implement, personally I been wanting more and more to play games with free moviment or simply more complex systems maybe even waky ones that dont resemble any other games. One game that I will always defend is Dragon Quarter that battle system alone make it worth, since was very experimental at the time even if was taking a few cues from Sakura Wars 3 the system had its balance issues and the utility of some mechanics werent fully explored, I believe the Valkyria Chronicles games (havent try yet) have some similaries with the AP
@rudidellama3718
Жыл бұрын
I guess the Action Points are kinda like a Stamina system in a way
@ShadowCthulhu
Жыл бұрын
I would also say that Fixed camera angles cannot be outdated.
@TreborKoor
10 ай бұрын
I was brought in by the thumbail alone, saved it to make sure I'd actually watch it later from the title
@bukojoetheslapsoils8273
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for calling Persona a sub-series.
@Hanz-Solo
Жыл бұрын
I'd love for Square-Enix to bring back the Gambit system used within Final Fantasy XII, while it was a hit and miss with existing fans of the series, I believe that the Gambit system was ahead of it's time upon it's initial release. With today's computing capabilities, it could be expanded upon greatly.
@acerimmer8338
Жыл бұрын
It was so brilliant! Doesn't even need to be FF, just give me an RPG w/ the Gambit system. The closest I've seen elsewhere is Dragon Age: Origins. The developers said FF12's gambit was a huge inspiration for its combat. There is a lot of similarities.
@LeahLovesNature
Жыл бұрын
I certainly hope they'll never be outdated! As someone who grew up playing Pokemon and not having great motor skills, strategic turn-based RPGs are my favorite kinds of games. I like Metroidvanias, a few different fighting games, and whatever you call the Legend of Zelda, but I prefer the combat styles of Pokemon, Persona, Fire Emblem, and the earlier Final Fantasy games.
@johnathanrhoades7751
5 ай бұрын
I was turn based only for a long time (other than kingdom hearts). I was just bad at and stressed by action games. I recently fell into the Monster Hunter Rise black hole and “got gud” through some arduous practice and now I am still bad at action games, but I’m not AS bad and I enjoy them a lot more.
@acsound
Жыл бұрын
Tecmo Super Bowl for the NES is the best tactical sports-themed RPG ever made!!! You've got: player charas w/different stats all duking it out on the same battlefield, animated cutscenes, awesome music, status effects. And rare for any RPG: its *multiplayer* is god-tier -- so much so that there's an emulation scene just so that the battle roster is updated to current year.
@macuser7048
Жыл бұрын
Using attacking items in Legend of Dragoon is a pain in the butt because even using items require tapping buttons constantly and as fast as you can.
@ampur2
Жыл бұрын
look, I am a turn-based fan as well. However, fact is, turn-based game doesn't make much revenue, because all it sells are to, people like us. Not newcomers, especially not teenagers. And as we get older, you know what, some of us play less games because we have families, works, etc. There is a reason why turn-based game nowadays doesn't feel or look like AAA games, they simply don't have the budget because they don't earn enough revenues. We will still get turn-based, strategic games because there are clearly markets for that, but don't expect a breathtaking AAA games on it. A lot of people(mostly FF 'fans') hated FF16 but I think it's a good step forward for the business. It's bad to just stay the same, look at FF14 1.0, it tried so hard to retain the same gameplay as FF11 because it was successful, it failed horribly. FF16 brings a lot of new players to FF series, which is very good. Nobody would play FF16 if it was turn-based, except turn-based fan and FF fans, which is becoming a niche market.
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