And this is the type of stuff you won’t hear from an Evangelical/Protestant Christian service on a Sunday morning. These type of facts are labeled the devil from that camp. 😆 I love that academia/scholarship in 2023 is blowing the lid off religion with the cold hard facts. People need to be free from the chains religions have held them in psychologically. Thanks a million Dan.
@stevereznor5797
Жыл бұрын
There are scholars with more accolades who would highly disagree. Dan is in the minority. Look up Dr. Michael Heiser.
@ELCAPATAZ
6 ай бұрын
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints we believe in a Heavenly Father and Mother.
@byrondickens
5 ай бұрын
I hate to disappoint you, Sparky but Bronze Age Israelite polytheism hardly "blows the lid off religion." None of the academic scholarship does.
@yallimsorry5983
3 ай бұрын
@@stevereznor5797 ooo, an apologist with credits from heavily conservative Christian universities disagrees with basic fact checking! How surprising!
@KnuttyEntertainment
3 ай бұрын
Michael Heiser was actually pretty good with the facts, he just showcased them through a Protestant lens. So he would say the same thing Dan is saying in this video, but he would then turn around and say that Josiah was in the right.
@calanm7880
Жыл бұрын
Discovering that God had had a wife was such a shock to me I can barely describe it: it was like being physically punched in the stomach. Now it’s a tremendous help and I find this truly fascinating (great video describing the possible transition and why). Monotheism was such a fundamental pillar of my whole psyche and worldview, so a Mrs El/ Jehovah (I’m being flippant) blew that strongly held opinion to smithereens. That the landscape was full of different shrines without any fuss, is strangely comforting compared to the stern jealous mono God I’d been brought up to worship. I hope this material & knowledge grows and becomes popularised - this channel is really going superb work in these “shorts”, I’ve become a huge fan. Btw were I ever to do a video and Dan produced a reply starting with “ok, let’s see it” I’d pack up my suitcase and go lol, the rebuttals are so useful (and entertaining)
@karmachameleon326
Жыл бұрын
@tinkerbear373Do you have evidence that you can provide as a counter-argument?
@jaskitstepkit7153
Жыл бұрын
The bible itself makes it clear that the majority of Israelites before the destruction of the first temple were worshipping Adonai alongside other Caananites.
@dvonzosch461
Жыл бұрын
Archeologist William Dever discovered an amulet in 1968, with the inscription of: To Yahweh and his consort Asherah " The various priesthoods competed for followers in the same way as car companies and political parties do in our time.
@dvonzosch461
Жыл бұрын
@Tinkerbear The different Priesthoods competed for followers and donations as political parties and religions do in our time -- Deuteronomy 16:21 only makes sense when you realize that Asherah was the " Goddess of Trees " and that the " Asherah Pole " was carved from tree trunks: " You shall not plant a grove of any trees near the altar of the LORD your God, which you shall build " Others here will type in: " Ancient Israelite religion..." or, " Polytheism in ancient Israel, archeological evidence..." What people were taught as absolute truth, by someone who they loved and trusted, before they attained the age of reason, isn't always actual history --- it's hard for many people to accept the evidence, because they feel that they would be, somehow, be betraying the person who taught that to them from childhood.
@b.l.8755
Жыл бұрын
You're one step closer to L.D.S. 😊
@douglasgrant8315
5 ай бұрын
Dan makes do much sense. Good to hear that the laws of Deuteronomy and Exodus were created during the time if Josiah and are not original to the law of Moses.
@pragmaticcrystal
Жыл бұрын
Asherah, along with Astarte and Anath, was one of the three great goddesses of the Canaanite pantheon
@pragmaticcrystal
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLionFarm Asherah's connection to Yahweh, according to Stavrakopoulou, is spelled out in both the Bible and an 8th century B.C. inscription on pottery found in the Sinai desert at a site called Kuntillet Ajrud. "The inscription is a petition for a blessing," she shares. "Crucially, the inscription asks for a blessing from 'Yahweh and his Asherah.' Here was evidence that presented Yahweh and Asherah as a divine pair. And now a handful of similar inscriptions have since been found, all of which help to strengthen the case that the God of the Bible once had a wife."this is concrete evidence. All you have are assertions… but go on because I know you will
@pragmaticcrystal
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLionFarm El was the name of the god of Israel in the Bronze Age and Yahweh becomes the proper name of the god of the Israelites in the Iron Age.Asherah was a major northwest Semitic mother goddess, appearing also in Akkadian sources as Ashratu, in Hittite as Asherdu and in Ugaritic as Athirat. She was the consort of the chief deity El and the mother of 70 other gods. In the Judeo-Christian tradition Asherah is considered a false Canaanite deity and a major source of temptation to the Israelites. In the Book of Kings, the prophet Elijah challenged 400 prophets of Asherah at the same time that he battled 450 prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel. Other biblical references to “Asherah” refer to a type of sacred pillar or tree that was erected next to Canaanite or Israelite altars in many places. These trees or groves were associated with sacred prostitution of the Canaanite fertility cult. On the other hand, there is suggestive archaeological evidence that Asherah may also have been regarded as the female consort to the Hebrew God Yahweh and was widely worshiped by Israelites within the context of Yahwism. Thus, she may have functioned as representing the divine feminine. As the Israelite prophets and religious leaders rightly struggled to purge Israel of the licentious rites of Canaanite paganism-in which Asherah played a central role-her healthier function as a carrier of the divine feminine became a casualty.the Ugaritic texts (before 1200 B.C.E.) Asherah is sometimes called Athirat yammi, ‘Athirat of the Sea’. The sacred sea (or lake) upon which the Ugaritic Asherah stood was known as Yam Kinneret and is now called Lake Galilee. In these texts, Asherah is the consort of the god El. One source refers to the “70 sons of Athirat,” presumably the same as the “70 sons of El.
@Zelig_G
Жыл бұрын
So Daniel, I am hoping you can answer us as to what went on in the goddess cults.
@dvonzosch461
Жыл бұрын
@@pragmaticcrystal Thank you for your comment. Yes, archeologist William Dever discovered an amulet, in 1968, with the inscription of: " To Yahweh and his consort Asherah "
@epicofatrahasis3775
Жыл бұрын
@Pragmatic Crystal Slight correction. El was the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon and Yahweh was a southern war/storm god who later became conflated with El. According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. "When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"." "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."* *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.* (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) *"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"* (A second response to Michael Heiser) *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"* (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)* *"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"* (Mark Smith is a Catholic) *"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"* *"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"* (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) *"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"* (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* *"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"* *"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."* *"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"* (It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") *"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"* (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"* (By a former theist) Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
@chriswood8152
Жыл бұрын
You've become my personal "people's champion" for Biblical scholarship. I deconverted hard a few years ago, but people like you give me hope that we can find a more balanced, less emotional view of these old books, that could lead to us learning practical wisdom, even if only what not to do.
@DrKippDavis
Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent short video.
@maklelan
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Kipp!
@calanm7880
Жыл бұрын
Yer no bad yourself Dr Kipp 😂! Much love and respect to you, Dr Josh and Derek Mythvision… popularising this stuff is so so helpful for folks like me coming to terms with deconstructing deeply held/ingrained attitudes & ‘truths’. Knowing facts and context is so cathartic, so please be assured of how much your work means to folk you may never hear from directly. Hi from Scotland
@pragmaticcrystal
Жыл бұрын
@@calanm7880 💯
@GoodieWhiteHat
14 күн бұрын
I hate the way Josiah’s soldiers gleefully destroyed the sacred groves. And how Yahweh supposedly gloried in the destruction. I bet the groves were beautiful and peaceful and full of special plants and flowers attracting birds and insects. Makes me sad. If she was ever his wife it’d be grounds for a divorce.
@PaulWrightHome
3 ай бұрын
I couldn't begin to assess the historical plausibility of this story, but the notion of king Josiah centralising power because it is convenient for him, and creating a mythos to sell it to the people, rings true with leaders today, both Christian and political.
@xravenx24fe
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, which is why out of everything in the video, this is the one part I rejected outright. This smells like the bad part of academia, concocting some theory that fits data we have, but refusing to acknowledge in the same breath that the data we have is sparse, it isn't very deep, ie it's all circumstantial. This stuff can go from educational to fanfictional pretty quick if you're not careful and you start imposing intent and impetus and other stuff onto history or, as Dan's type LOVE to point out in others, reading things into the text. They'll all hold each other to not reading into the text but I swear, they do so because every single one of them does it, so watch out for it, you just caught one.
@PaulWrightHome
3 ай бұрын
@@xravenx24fe I partially disagree. Yes, the data are sparse, but Dan always acknowledges this and in some videos has explained why he refers to "scholarly consensus" since it is rarely possible to outright prove a theory. Our job as viewers is to weigh the competing theories side by side. It is often a plausible theory from Dan versus a more far fetched but "not impossible" theory from an apologist. You can then look at how each theorist responds to new information to gain insight into their working motivating. Dan is capable of changing his position based on the data. The apologists cannot, since they are not trying to understand the data or persuade the undecided, they are trying to encourage their peers who already agree with them to keep believing their dogmas.
@invisiblegorilla8631
Жыл бұрын
The victor gets to write the history, right?
@olivosARTstudio
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I am painting ASHERAH for my Sacred Mothers and Goddesses Oracle Deck!
@xaayer
Жыл бұрын
Probably the most impactful "divorce" in history.
@SteveDiogo
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dan. I love the work you’re doing.
@David-cw7pd
Жыл бұрын
thanks for making your book free to download,
@naysneedle5707
Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation, thanks Dan.
@jaskitstepkit7153
Жыл бұрын
Nicely said Dan. Some things to take into consideration. It is true that the worship of Ashera alongside Adonai because Ashera was El's consort and Yahweh was seen as El's and Baal's counterpart. But it is also true that there was also a Yahweh only cult which was in the minority, we can see this in the pre-exile prophets. After the Assyrian invasion, this Yahweh only cult became very popular because the mainstream Cannanites gods failed to stop the Asirians. Another reason was money. Worshipping one faceless God is a lot more cheaper than worshipping dozens faced one so Joshaia had plenty of reason to enforce the worship of Yahweh.
@philsphan4414
Жыл бұрын
So does the Elijah/Elisha cycle, some of which is “watch what I do to these Baals…” fit this? Or did somebody add some “Jerusalem is best” layer on top of earlier stories?
@joeylonglegs4309
Жыл бұрын
Do you have any good books which explain the Deuteronomistic history that reflect current views in scholarship?
@stevereznor5797
Жыл бұрын
The Unseen Realm by Dr. Michael Heiser. Heiser would disagree with Asherah being the wife of God.
@dynamic9016
Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate this video.
@dynamic9016
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLionFarm Thanks for the information n I really appreciate it TOO.
@arthurtheartist
Жыл бұрын
If areas that worshiped asherah we're conquered but Jerusalem was not, could that have lead people to drop asherah worship and adopt the monotheistic practices of Jerusalem?
@jaskitstepkit7153
Жыл бұрын
It was cheaper to worship a faceless God 💰💰💰
@b.l.8755
Жыл бұрын
@@jaskitstepkit7153 that's not how religion has ever worked
@electrikfrenzy
Жыл бұрын
I have an unrelated question: 1 Samuel 8 says that the Israelites wanting a human king meant they were rejecting Yahweh as their king. 1 Samuel 12:19-20 seems to confirm this when they count wanting a king as a sin. How does this square with Deuteronomy 17:14-20 which seems to say that Israel may have a human king when they ask for one? Was Samuel perhaps written/solidifed before Deuteronomy was written/solidifed?
@fluffysheap
Жыл бұрын
Samuel and Deuteronomy are generally considered to both be part of the deuteronomistic literary tradition. For example, the warning in the part of Deuteronomy that you mention about gathering too many wives or too much wealth in one place, which is likely a "forward reference" to Solomon. (Contrast David's crippling of captured horses rather than risk violating this rule). I don't see this as conflicting with Samuel. After all, Samuel says it is OK. It is a recognition that Israel is fundamentally changing its character, that they are no longer trusting only in God but also in themselves. Theologically, this isn't really a problem - it fits with the broad arc of Israel developing and earning responsibility over time. Historically, we know that early Israel was not all that dedicated to YHWH in the first place. It all works out.
@Brutuscomedy
7 ай бұрын
Keep doing what you're doing. 👍
@AurorXZ
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I wonder how well this meshes with Dr. Christina Hays' view that the Deuteronomist used law codes inherited from a Shiloh-based "Yahweh Alone" party in the north. Evidently, this Yahweh Alone party would have had an issue with Asherah, Ba'al, and all the rest.
@pamelapurcell8574
Жыл бұрын
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@thescoobymike
Жыл бұрын
This is a deathblow to the whole thing imo
@JasonPrzybycien
5 ай бұрын
Very consistent with Discovering God by Rodney Stark
@NielMalan
Жыл бұрын
This idea of how the Hebrew bible we knows came to be created makes me think that there never was a Tabernacle: it is a fiction created to give YHWH a temple to live in during the mythical exodus. Or are there archaeological indications that some gods were worshipped in tent-temples?
@aedh1974
20 күн бұрын
Well. If there were other deities, there were, most probably, cult sites and priesthood associated to those deities and, as you point out, that's not money that enters into the temple at Jerusalem and there was also probably rivalry between the leaders of the cultsnof those deities and the leaders at Jerusalem. Them, condemning them as vile seems like the plausible thing to do.
@dvonzosch461
Жыл бұрын
Besides the 1968 discovery by archeologist William Dever, of an amulet with the inscription of: " Yahweh and his consort Asherah ", the bible itself contains evidence of competing Priesthoods, such as Asherah being the " Goddess of Trees ' --- Deuteronomy 16:21 " You shall not plant a grove of _any trees_ near the altar of the LORD your God, which you shall make " --- competing polytheistic worship, and belief in the existence of other deities is the only way this passage makes sense. Priesthoods competed for followers and donations just as car companies and political parties do today. Exodus 20:3 " You shall have no _other gods_ before me " If any literalists resist believing this, and need more information, they can type in: " Polytheism in ancient Israel..." " Ancient Israelite religion..."
@fre2725
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure this explains everything though. Yes, the Jerusalem priesthood cooked up a story in Deuteronomy that consolidated worship and resources in their corner. But that doesn't explain why Josiah destroyed the image of Asherah that was in the Temple of Yahweh already, or destroyed the precincts of the temple escorts (who were doubtless bringing in temple funds), or the destruction of the altars that Ahaz and Manasseh had made. I don't see why they couldn't have had a polytheistic cult center at Jerusalem instead of a Yahweh-alone center. True belief in monolatry plus reactionary nationalism makes the most sense to me.
@calanm7880
Жыл бұрын
There's the old idea of "follow the money": creating a defacto monopoly on religious national identity at the site you control (Jerusalem temple), gives you license to crush all other local faith expressions and competing sites. It's certainly how Tech companies today operate: acquire control of the competition, or crush it. I agree it doesn't explain why a polytheistic set up couldnt continue, but maybe a hardline iconoclastic puritan purge was the avenue to ensuring monopoly? Certainly it was v effective in Scotland - the severe "purity" of Knox-ian religion hammered Catholicism out of the popular consciousness. Maybe Yahweh cult followed same pattern? It works
@fre2725
Жыл бұрын
@@calanm7880 You make a very good point, since it was Yahweh's temple originally. 🤔 Though I come back to this quote from political scientist Adolph L Reed: "Ideology is the meeting point between your principles and your material self-interest." How can we say whether or not they believed their own story ("Yahweh is a jealous god and he will bless us if we give everything to him alone")?
@@truthbebold4009 Huh. Well the gist of it was the suggestion that the Deuteronomy circle was following the same strategy as tech companies: if you can't control the opposition, get rid of them.
@truthbebold4009
Жыл бұрын
@@fre2725 I see. Thank you for the reply
@cxa24
2 күн бұрын
Im punished for timidity it would appear :(
@chris4238
Жыл бұрын
Word of the day: Retrojecting
@EdmundSkye
Жыл бұрын
god just had a bad divorce
@Leoji67
Жыл бұрын
Are their any Hebrew historians that would agree with this view?
@maklelan
Жыл бұрын
Yes, lots of them. Check out William Dever's book, Did God Have a Wife?
@DrKippDavis
Жыл бұрын
I think Dan is being modest, here. The vast majority would agree with what he has presented here, and I suspect that any objectors do so on confessional grounds.
@bengreen171
Жыл бұрын
@@DrKippDavis yeah - but what about IP.... sorry - couldn't resist.
@SweetKel
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Thank you
@asherathedummy
Жыл бұрын
My name is Asherah. In My language my name is Ašera
@bigtombowski
Жыл бұрын
Does Dan agree with the Mormon Church's actual teaching?
@TheYgds
Жыл бұрын
I think you'll have a tough time pinning down exactly how he approaches that, since it is evidently atypical, but not unfaithful. He has his way of devotion and we have ours. I'm grateful for his frank presentation of the scholarly consensus, since it is new to me and I appreciate intellectual honesty. I leave his faith journey to him and him alone, and I hope he'd afford me the same courtesy. That being said, I've noticed many people these days basically believing and teaching whatever they want in the Church. Indeed, I'm finding that many of the "non-negotiables" when I was growing up, are now negotiables. Historical authenticity of the Book of Mormon? Whatever you want to think, doesn't matter. Sympathizing with groups whose principles and teachings are contrary to that of the Church? Again, whatever you want. Writing books that warp and protest recent declarations and proclamations? People are doing it with impunity. A testimony of the prophet Joseph Smith and the Restoration? Take it or leave it. Is Jesus the Son of God and the Redeemer of the world? It depends on what you mean by "Son of God". As man is God once was, as God is man may become? When was the last time you heard an Apostle or President talk openly about that? Or the nature of the Godhead for that matter? Turns out you can believe in and teach the trinity if you want, and no one's going to call you on it. Stuff I remember being baked into the fabric of my faith seems to no longer matter, and these are just a few examples. We still seem to nail down on commandment obedience, word of wisdom, law of chastity and whatnot, but the doctrine is like some free-wheeling wild-west. I fear, that in many ways, we are becoming like other Christians, and losing our peculiarity. In the drive to build bridges, we've leaned into what we have in common with them, but are abandoning much of what made us unique. Even the way we view our protology, eschatology and theology has become a free-for-all. No unified conceptions, except at the level of new converts. When someone like Blake Ostler can advance his own brand of philosophizing as a proper synthesis of the Atonement and eternal progression, without appeal to most scriptures on the subject, and instead appealing to Christian philosophers, I think we've lost the plot. Deep thinking is insufficient without a proper basis, and the basis seems completely dashed. I'm seeing a trend towards becoming mystics, and theosophists, without rhyme or reason, possessed by our own brand of New Age woo, that lets everyone just think whatever they want, rather than setting boundaries in which to operate spiritually and intellectually. I don't get it, and I don't know how we got here.
@underthelidar
Жыл бұрын
@@TheYgds This is an interesting comment. I don't know that we are losing our peculiarity, from the outside it seems like we're still often perceived as very peculiar. But as far as how we got here, I think the culture on learning was set early on with the school of the prophets, "seek learning from the best books," etc., especially in contrast to a strong biblical focus typical of the Second Great Awakening. Having an open canon and encouraging learning and scholarship of both secular and religious ideas is pretty unique. Though I can understand how it might seem we've lost the plot and a common explanation isn't circulated among established members so much as new members, that does seem to be the case. I don't know if I agree that we have actually lost the plot thought, I think this might be attempts to truly understand the scriptures, traditions, and their origins. Rather than understanding our faith "just like the ancient understood, but the understanding was lost through apostasy," I think we're trying to get at the real core of the Gospel message. Religion does not provide concrete evidence, yet we seek truth, and we want the truths of religion to align with all other truths. That is peculiar and in contrast to some apologetic religionists who try to disprove the basics of science. I think the general approach of not setting intellectual or spiritual boundaries (though those boundaries are certainly still there now, the temple recommend questions are pretty clear), or having flexible or moveable boundaries might be better. If Galileo offers strong evidence for a heliocentric model of the universe, rather than label him a heretic for violating fundamentals established by scripture, instead we can take a look at what scripture actually says, study the religious and historical context to see if it any bearing on why it says that, examine current cultural context and biases to see whether we're interpreting and applying it correctly, and then determine whether the factuality of universe "models" in the scriptures actually change the way we see ourselves, God, or the way we worship. That and many other scientific and historical updates in modern understanding turned out not to be too important for most modern Christians. I don't think we should fluidize all tenets of faith, but I think we do understand that there are more important, more fundamental principles to be concerned with. "The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it." As far as what this inspires us to do, we have the two great commandments. And while you can be involved in Church with negotiated acceptance of specific beliefs or ways of living as you say, temple attendance is still regulated and still provides a firm guiding structure, it's just up to the members to choose whether to pursue that, as it always has been (cultural influence aside).
@ELCAPATAZ
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for these comments. Gives me alot to think about as a member trying to find my way back to the covenant path.
@Tjstube32
Жыл бұрын
Have you an audio book version of your book, I started reading it and all I could hear was your voice 🤣 then thought that would actually be cool..
@georgenelson8917
Жыл бұрын
At Tel Asaud burnt cannabis was found on smaller alter .
@chasesmith4982
Жыл бұрын
Does it seem that the move to monotheism was due to the adoption of a Zoroastrianism view after captivity?
@stevereznor5797
Жыл бұрын
Google (DRMSH Asherah). Article written by Dr. Michael Heiser (PHD in the Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages) you’ll realize Dan’s and Francesca’s studies fall short on this topic.
@aprilhumen1229
11 ай бұрын
Love Heiser! We lost a good soul on this earth! His books are what started to thin the veil for me!
@ashshepard4947
Жыл бұрын
My name is Asherah.😊
@newsreader7362
Жыл бұрын
Essentially bible captured the one-sided game of thrones.
@demetriusbooker5760
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NOTE NOTE I read that exact paper before a while 🔙 bk Let me tell you something scholarly on how we know the Most High had nothing to do with your claimed idol which is because we have evidence of the Israelites at Lachish when they has an Egypio-Nubian admixture clear ancient evidence of the Exodus effects in the bronze age. So you have some explaining to do trying to conclude that a Iron Age culture would have had Origins with the same idol that was found 1st in the Neolithic with GHASSULAINS worshipping idols before any Israelites errored to worship it as that's why Jerusalem fell as said 1 Kings 11:33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in my eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father. So pay attention "Later, such “sacred trees” were common in the Levant and the Near East. In the Bible and Ugaritic texts, “Ashera”, often symbolized by a tree, was the goddess representing fertility, endowing life and prosperity to her followers. Sometimes, she is also referred as the wife of “El” and her cult was mentioned several times in the Old Testament. The Bible also disapprovingly references asherim, cult objects relating to Cannanite worship. In the Mishna, redacted in the early 3rd century C.E, she is represented as a living tree, tree stump, or a wooden sculpture. The Ashera in Eilat was dated by radiocarbon analysis to 4540 B.C.E. It is the oldest “Ashera” found anywhere." ~ An Accidental Discovery at an Israeli Lab May Solve the Global Sugar Problem Archaeology 7,500-year-old Burial in Eilat Contains Earliest Asherah In the barren hills over a Red Sea resort, a prehistoric site replete with religious symbolism may indicate the dawn of a new belief in life after death Viktoria Greenboim Rich May 16, 2022 You can claim later add-on all you want but THE MOST HIGH YAH JUDGES indeed as scholarly it is clear that didn't start with with the Israelite culture 🤦🏾♂️ stop 🛑 it Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish ought from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
@co-xq1xm
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@@goodtoGoNow1956 how so, I’m just curious
@ranilodicen4460
Жыл бұрын
just a thought.. maybe , just maybe that is one of the reason why judaism forbids the people from saying the name of yahweh... using adonai.. instead! meaning they worship the one true god .. not necessarily yahweh
@Aria-Invictus
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Why do you call the name Yahweh "Adonai"?
@Aria-Invictus
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@@goodtoGoNow1956 That is like reading the word Mike and saying "John".
@fontinalishealth724
Жыл бұрын
Adonai meaning "lord" is used to avoid uttering YHWH as it is considered too holy in Judaism to speak aloud. Dan probably uses it out of respect or as part of his own religious beliefs.
@ronjones1414
Жыл бұрын
So, are you advocating for the acceptance of Asherah worship then? I'm still trying to figure out what the point of ll this is?
@williamjosephburns1504
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What on Earth is all of this?
@williamjosephburns1504
Жыл бұрын
Why was this one sent to me? Shouldn't this comment be posted straight to the video instead of here? Also do be careful with links, I think KZitem tries to delete comments with links, but I am not sure. Yep, watching this video had me thinking "man, it almost seems as if they are doing their research with the goal of attacking and defaming..." in addition to a feeling by The Spirit that what was being said was wrong. In other terms, Cap. Thanks lots.
@dvonzosch461
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Others here will type in: " Ancient Israelite polytheism, archeological and anthropological evidence of..." " Ancient Israelite religion..." Exodus 20:3 " You shall have no _other_ gods before me " --- why not declare, especially in the Ten Commandments, that: ' no other gods are real ' ? Because the pre Exilic Israelites believed in the existence of other gods.
@dvonzosch461
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The only way that Deuteronomy 16:21 makes sense, is when you realize that Asherah was the " Goddess of Trees ", and that the "Asherah Pole " was used in worship. " You shall not plant a grove of _any trees_ near the altar of the LORD your God, which you shall make there " Archeologist William Dever discovered an amulet in 1968 with the inscription of: " To Yahweh and his consort Asherah " None of this is new information. Again, type in: Polytheism in ancient Israel, archeological and anthropological evidence of...."
@monalisa6264
Жыл бұрын
Do you know the truth as to why the Asherah poles were cut down? Firstly this in today’s timeline is what you call the Bride and the great harlot but she doesn’t call herself that. All the people in her life for 40 years cut her down from an infant by all sorts of abuse from sexual, emotional, mental and physical abuse. Yahweh was one who abused her as with Her family, her partners, her children, her community for no reason when all she wanted was love. Most people take on one perspective on these stories but I’m here by God to tell the truth so people can have a better understanding ❤
@karaanaya
Жыл бұрын
Asherah is here on Earth right now. God is going to show the world his Asherah. When he does please reach out to me. I have a message for you!
@co-xq1xm
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@karaanaya
Жыл бұрын
@@co-xq1xm when God shows the world His Asherah reach out to me. Please have patience.
@ElQuamarMejnoonHealingWorks
Жыл бұрын
He denounced her and she now reigns Sovereignly. He betrayed her so she realized she does not need a counterpart.
@karaanaya
Жыл бұрын
@@ElQuamarMejnoonHealingWorks Asherah is/was known by numerous names including Isis. She is the Wife of the Creator and She Loves Him!
@karaanaya
Жыл бұрын
@@ElQuamarMejnoonHealingWorks no close but no.
@4pedrosoares
6 ай бұрын
A speculation, just a speculation. But if it were true? The same thing that happened in the past, when God condemned worship of other gods (including Asherah), is the same thing that is happening now, with progressive sect members (including BYU professors) praying to a supposed heavenly mother.
@thjshbr
Жыл бұрын
"There's no indication that anyone had a problem with it" LOL yep, that's exactly right. No one had a problem with it except for the Lord.
@calanm7880
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Aye, that's what the editors intended you to think. The science of archeology is revealing data that fiddling with the text tried to morph/hide. I think it is wonderful that the book that cited a marvelous moving picture of the 1st murder - Able's blood crying out from the ground - is being enriched by facts crying out from the ground, long forgotten but amazingly preserved. We are fortunate to live in an age where we can learn all this, especially via online experts freely sharing ♥️
@chapter404th
Жыл бұрын
@@calanm7880 the archaeology actually confirms the Bible. The Bible never said people weren’t worshipping God with a wide, it says exactly what the archaeology is saying. However, because of the held (atheistic/agnostic) belief that the Bible is fiction, you’ll interpret the evidence as such. This hypothesis is purely speculation, nothing more or less
@b.l.8755
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@Nicholas Time literally. Yes.
@epicofatrahasis3775
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@@chapter404th Archaeology actually *doesn't* confirm the Bible. According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. "When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"." "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."* *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.* (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) *"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"* (A second response to Michael Heiser) *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"* (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)* *"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"* (Mark Smith is a Catholic) *"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"* *"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"* (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) *"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"* (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* *"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"* *"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."* *"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"* (It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") *"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"* (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"* (By a former theist) Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
@chapter404th
Жыл бұрын
@@epicofatrahasis3775 you copy and pasted all that just to validate exactly what I said prior
@robertcrofts7795
Жыл бұрын
Conjecture Vain attempt to "modernize" scripture !!
@stevebollinger
6 ай бұрын
Other than the Bible mentioning they had to remove Asherah poles from the temple because she was worshipped at one time along with YHWH. Many cities in Israel/Judah named after Canaanite deities: Baal-perazim (Baal), Beth-Dagon (Dagon), Jerusalem (Shalim), Anathot (Anat), Beth-Shemesh (Shamash), Jericho (Yarihu)…just to name a few. And many named after the head of the pantheon El (Israel, Bethel, etc.). And pottery with the inscription YHWH and his Asherah.
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