"Nintendo doesn't count because they exist in a weird little bubble where games are still good." That killed me.
@empoleon7750
4 жыл бұрын
I mean, Nintendo hasn’t really dabbled as much in some of the scummier practices that EA and Activision have. There are some free-to-play economies, like in Fire Emblem Heroes (Though I wouldn’t say that’s as bad as other ones, since the game awards the premium currency pretty liberally), and microtransactions have appeared in some titles, but Nintendo’s not doing stuff like what other publishers do.
@empoleon7750
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Being a Nintendo kid, I can rest easy knowing I won’t be facing a game that wants to milk every dollar out of me to be playable, like the products of some other publishers.
@pootissandvichhere9135
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Nintendo has been dropping the ball in 2020 to overprotect its IP, but at least when it does DLC and add ins it adds new content. FETH added a gay romance option as DLC after players clamoured for such an option, but instead of just him he came along with an entire side campaign! Xenoblade 2’s side campaign ran away so fast it became its own spinoff reintroducing some old features. Point is when I buy a DLC I am expecting just as much time and care put into it as the main game. Not for some gated wall which puts requires a preorder or money to unlock. DLC was really exciting. Live services were exciting. But scum companies crowd the space with so much crap even the games that defined good use of a practice start to stink a bit. And the Devs know it. But in a video game company that makes video games, developers aren’t treated with any respect, no matter how much prestige they have. Konami even threw out Kojima, who saw how exploitive the company was getting and was trying to mercy kill his favorite franchise for ages so it wouldn’t be tarnished with crap like SURVIVE! The video game companies that make video games have corporate men at the top. Men who haven’t played a game in their life and look for only how to get as much cash as possible, even if it means destroying the business. If you think the companies are your friend think again. The devs are people working to the bone to make the games they want people to love, but know they aren’t allowed to because some dumb out of touch executive wants to do an open world game and has no idea how much time it takes to do it. The people who really have their finger on the pulse, who can make thousands of franchises that basically print money and become beloved, are at the bottom chained to stupid orders. It’s why harassing Ubisoft only makes open world games in three flavors: shooter, stealth, beatem up, and Valhalla has clearly bucked stealth. Nintendo has overlap, but a Kirby game is different from Mario by a mile, while I struggle to tell the difference in COD games.
@wesleythomas7125
3 жыл бұрын
@@pootissandvichhere9135 Well said
@Ceece20
6 жыл бұрын
I think this is part of the reason Nier Automata had such a success. It was a Mid Tier budget, but it allowed enough room for creativity in story and especially music. But that could be due to a director that knows how to make a fucking story.
@ReachStudioPro
6 жыл бұрын
+dogsrulenw08 Not just that. The game is created by Yoko Taro who's a fucking genius in story writing and it was also being worked on by PlatinumGames who are fucking genius in gameplay. Combine two perfect worlds into one with a mid sized budget and you get NieR: Automata. NieR: Gestalt/Replicant & NieR: Automata are so amazing there are no words to describe it. I have forced several of my friends to watch SBFP's NieR: Gestalt playthrough on YT before playing NieR: Automata and yeah, they love it. Right now the last one is going through it and right now he's fucking freaking out how amazing NieR: Gestalt is, just like all the other did. NieR: Gestalt is a hidden gem and NieR: Automata deserved no less than 10 million sold copies. At least NieR: Automata sold 3 million by now, or soon which is huge for PlatinumGames & Yoko Taro-san. They had to sell no less than 1 million and they did it. Literally saved PlatinumGames from bankruptcy. PlatinumGames almost went bankrupt THANKS TO MICROSOFT FOR CANCELLING SCALEBOUND and they weren't allowed to use any of the created assets from that game! Motherfuckers!
@strifeknot
6 жыл бұрын
Nier: Automata was a success because there are millions of anime weebs who think scantily clad females are edgy.
@zoltanz288
6 жыл бұрын
dogsrulenw08 Too bad the gameplay is so bad.
@Loponstorm
6 жыл бұрын
Zoltan Z Your opinion. Most people I've talked to who have played Nier:Automata enjoyed the Gameplay immensely, including myself.
@Tsukasa4692
6 жыл бұрын
most yoko taro games have janky gameplay, but he still has devoloped a serious following of people. because his stories are really fucking good
@Katy133
6 жыл бұрын
Another downside that comes with just making giant budget games is that you dull your chances of ever making mega successes. When you make a game with a huge budget, you HAVE to ensure that it appeals to as many people as possible, so you make less risky creative decisions. But if you look at any mega or breakout hits, the things that make them memorable are the risks it took. Not the generic or safe choices.
@VaunShiz
6 жыл бұрын
Katy133 yea they don't realize the budget of the game doesn't equal success, still to this day I re bought Pokemon Crystal verison on my 3DS, they have me buying a game boy color game 15 years later.. if they want that level of love from gamers they need to think outside Big budgets and mass appeal
@biertrang
6 жыл бұрын
well said.
@AndyLundell
6 жыл бұрын
It's about people covering their ass. Most companies don't really act as an intelligent single unit like they're supposed to. Instead individual decision-makers are only worried about their own career. If they take a chance of a quirky game, there's a real chance they'll lose their job. But if they take the safe and proven path, they don't have to worry about their house or their kids' college fund.
@SPIDERMANDIESVISIONDIESDRSTRAN
6 жыл бұрын
I completely agree, man. I simply could not agree more.
@ManoredRed
6 жыл бұрын
Also many of the "breakout hits" of the modern era were games made with tiny budgets, and that just amplified how hard they brough back the dosh when they hit. Minecraft, for example: prior to its explosive success, its was pretty much being made by just one guy. I think part of the problem is that the industry focuses too much on high fidelity graphics worried about all the players who won't play anything without them, not realizing that there are actually huge numbers of people who don't care, if the game is original enough. Minecraft has blocky graphics, everyone plays it. In fact, my brother is a die-hard worshiper of the graphics god and usually won't look at a game twice if the graphics aren't last gen... and even he plays Minecraft.
@codeyfox622
6 жыл бұрын
I'm like, SO hyped for the destruction of games as a service!
@itsblitz4437
5 жыл бұрын
Whenever that will be, which is not anytime soon
@ElynTheCute
4 жыл бұрын
Jim @@itsblitz4437 Yeah
@Quazarthegreat
4 жыл бұрын
There are SOME good "games as a service" games, Payday 2 for example And yes, I know, it had a tiny little lootbox hickup, and I think that was disgusting, but they are COMPLETELY removed
@ChristopherRidge
6 жыл бұрын
Your argument can be supported by the film industry, too. Studios are investing in massive blockbusters and franchise films. With production and marketing budgets, those movies tend to need around $1 Billion to be considered a success. The only studio really succeeding is Disney with Marvel and Star Wars (and I suppose Universal with the Fast and Furious movies). That's why all of those DC movies are failing. They're shoving so much money into the projects, the numbers needed to make money back are insane. And that's why studios like Blumhouse are the more successful studios. If you invest $5 million into a movie, you really only need $15 million to make money back. And those numbers are pretty easy for even semi-mainstream films anymore (Someone might want to check this figure, but I'm pretty sure Blumhouse was the single most profitable production company of 2017. While Paramount lost the most money). So yes. Bottom line is, more mid-tier projects need to be made for media entertainment, both for the consumers and the investors. And that includes video games.
@myrixica4222
6 жыл бұрын
Does that mean Kevin Smith is the Notch of movies?
@mcdrums87
6 жыл бұрын
The death of the cinema: no B Movies. I think that film overall is fine. The big budget MCU/Disney makes money, while indies or indie-lites offer more experimentation. There’s also a case to be made for television (which might be that mid-tier option for acting). However, cinemas haven’t been in good shape since forever. If I want to watch a movie, I might see the big releases in-theater, but most of my movie watching is on home media or streaming. I don’t go to a theater regularly because...why would I? Reviving the B movie or just more mid-tier productions might give me a reason to go to a theater. $5 for a silly affair? I could go for that. Heck, let people live Tweet and it’d be even better.
@ElBribri
6 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT VIDEO Perfect analogy and perfect example. Thats why the PS2 is such a freaking GEM of a console, so many hidden gems, mid tier games (which doesnt mean bad AT ALL, but the contrary) tahts what PS4 has been lacking and why I feel a bit dissapointed about it and definitely dissapointed about the state of current gaming as a whole.. Mid-tier games ARE THE BEST!!! Just a quick note here: Yawn Cena fucking sucks ass and should never be mentined int he same sentence as The Rock or Stone Cold...or wrestling for taht matter, phony lazy ass "wrestler" if you could call him that...nothing but a bodybuilder.
@ChristopherRidge
6 жыл бұрын
mcdrums87 Well said. The DIRECT-TO-DVD model isn't as much of a death threat as it used to be with streaming services. Some (most) are still bad. But they find success in selling the distribution rights to services like Netflix or Amazon. And the fact that they're finding success means they have room to grow and improve. Universal 1440 MIGHT (And I am VERY skeptical to say this) have luck with that Doom movie, if they skip DVD distributiong, invest more money into marketing and sell the rights to Netflix.
@NotTheStinkyCheese
6 жыл бұрын
You see this with movies too : everything has to be a mega blockbuster with an equally mega budget. Failure is not even an option. Breaking even is dishonourable too. Also : without the low- and mid-tier content there's no way to judge the upper level, because there's no context any more. Healthy markets need content across all three layers.
@Meocross
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining why i don't even turn on the TV anymore, TV was shit even when i was a young kid and is still shit even now. If it wasn't for anime i don't think i could have survived the boredom that was my house.
@Zer0Hour17
6 жыл бұрын
To be fair to the movie industry, how many obviously low budget movies come out and completely flop? You don't see them advertised and they're gone in a week, but they do come out. Movie theaters are dying. Nobody wants to spend $15 per person + overpriced drinks/snacks to see a small, hour and a half long family drama. Theaters are basically clinging to Marvel's tit right now to stay alive. Imagine if all indie games also costed $60 like AAA games, almost all of them would fail. That's how it is in theaters, the quirky indie movie costs just as much to go see as Infinity War.
@Meocross
6 жыл бұрын
Then let the movie industry die, they don't deserve to survive after using their hands to strangle the music industry and ruin lives.
@MrGamelover23
4 жыл бұрын
@@Meocross wait, how did movies kill the music industry?
@7th808s
3 жыл бұрын
@@Meocross I don't get the music industry remark either, but yeah it can die.
@ACGreviews
6 жыл бұрын
We do indeed. It is also from them that sometimes the ideas that wouldn't be tried in AAA and couldn't be done in the Indie space are attempted which is always cool
@FORTEtheSECOND
6 жыл бұрын
^ " S'up everybody! This is Karak with ACG and it is my continuing mission to... " [ gives Thumbs Up before he finishes that sentence ] d(^-^)
@daceabbott3622
6 жыл бұрын
Good to see you here Karak, one of the best reviewers out there period. You're killing it man.
@kouyasakurada5547
6 жыл бұрын
Senpai!
@redjed100
6 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know you were here. 😀
@ultrag33k52
6 жыл бұрын
Oh hello, fancy seeing you here!
@BYET3
6 жыл бұрын
Nier Automata was a perfect example of a "middle shelf game " which was almost never going to see the light of day. Yoko Taro was so disappointed with the whole gaming industry just valuing bland, quick buck earning games, that he almost quit making games altogether. I'm just glad that friend of his (who works at Square Enix) decided to give an ultimatum to the company to see Nier Automata going forward in development. "You either do this game, or I'm out". Sad to see how desperate developers can end up being, just in order to put out a GREAT game. It shouldn't be this way.
@BYET3
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Ninja Theory proved with Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice that, self publishing games does work.
@soulgazer014
6 жыл бұрын
CLICKBYTE Pillars of Eternity is another good example, especially since Obsidian told a publisher who wanted to take over the IP to fuck right off.
@kaylaklimas6058
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Yoko Taro's story is both amazing and depressing. An entire series of weird and awesome games that only got to see the light of day and achieve their full potential because one of the high ups at Square Enix had a personal connection with the director. I'm glad we got them, but I'm sad that that was how it had to be done. As Jim said, there could be so many games just like Nier that never got the funding or never had the lucky connections that could have been great but ended up dead in the water.
@cupriferouscatalyst3708
6 жыл бұрын
Just look at Kojima! He created a hugely popular franchise because he made the game he envisioned, and then got so much shit from Konami for making his game the way he wanted to that he quit. I'm sure Konami is still making money somehow (rigged pachinko machines?) but the MGS franchise has been dead since.
@ayporos
5 жыл бұрын
@ALJustice0 Crowd-sourcing isn't the end-all be-all answer either.. Going full crowd-sourcing can just as easily lead to Duke Nukem Forever or Star Citizen type rubbish. Developers need publishers breathing down their necks with deadlines in order to be able to release a game.. but publishers also need the consumers breathing down their necks with their fingers on their wallets demanding more diversity in game catalogues (diversity here meaning in budgeting, target audience, target audience size, genre, niche, etc)
@MelissiaBlackheart
6 жыл бұрын
"Well nobody told them to make the games more expensive." I think this line alone is quod erat demonstrandum for the argument that "games are so expensive!1one". Gamers aren't actually asking for more high-budget games. It's just the high-budget games are the only ones being MADE to begin with. Gamers can only buy the games that are for sale after all, and the big publishers aren't making these mid-tier games any more.
@deriznohappehquite
6 жыл бұрын
I've seen similar arguments a lot, but with respect to genres. People used to say that horror games were massively unpopular until people actually made some decent ones. I hear all the time that arena shooters are massively unpopular, but when was the last time an actual high quality Arena Shooter came out with any kind of marketing budget?
@adamg7984
6 жыл бұрын
Lol it's all part of how much these businesses manipulate it's customers and it's messages. If they actually provided options, they'd see that budgets make very little difference on a game's popularity. But they only produce bloated, bland video games so they blind themselves to any proof that is contrary to their current belief. And their beliefs change every 5 or so years, so in 5 years it'll be the racing games or turn based strategy RPGs/Japanese RPGs that make a resurgence or take their market focus. Exactly how it's been happening for the last 20 years.
@AusSkiller
6 жыл бұрын
Gamers may not be asking for them but they are sure as fuck buying them. Corporations follow the money, if it sees lots of people buying something that's what they will try to make, people buy big budget multiplayer games so they are all pumping money into making those, not many people buy mid tier games by comparison so they don't bother with those.
@desmondbrown5508
6 жыл бұрын
@AusSkiller Gamers are going to buy games, that's a given... But if they don't have to option to buy mid-tier games then they can't buy them to prove they would, now can they?
@mrsuspicious1743
6 жыл бұрын
AusSkiller Oh yeah, fully agree, corporations see something happen and make money, they think it makes money. Reasonable assumption to make, but the problem with video game companies is that there are too many Titanfall 2's - games put out that don't do something everyone hates, that the publisher subtly sabotages in some way so they can say "See! See! What we do doesn't just make money, it's the ONLY way to make money!". EA didn't use TF2 like that because, EA being EA, they fucked it up, made it too obvious that that's what they were doing, so they had to change up their strategy, but there's plenty of games that "failed" in such a similar manner that publishers allude to in their statements and their half-sane, delirious fan-cults won't shut up about.
@AstraVex
6 жыл бұрын
I think one problem that massive AAA games will have, being "Services", is what happens to the games like COD: Black Ops 4 and Sea Of Thieves, when their servers eventually go off after a few years? :/ I can still enjoy the Crash Nsane Trilogy, The Soulsborne games, Dead Space, Devil May Cry, Darksiders, or God Of War, etc, safe in the knowledge that I wont ever need to go online to enjoy them :)
@otakon17
6 жыл бұрын
AstraVex Server based games hurt me, because I know eventually the servers will die more than likely before I do by decades.
@trevordavis6830
6 жыл бұрын
Well by the time they die, people would have moved to the next big thing
@MonsOlympus
6 жыл бұрын
Provided your PS4 is kept up to date :P
@ReachStudioPro
6 жыл бұрын
+Yo Momma You and everyone above you don't understand the term "services". It's never only about creating a game with an online concept built around it. No, the term "service" in games is when you create a game around the concept of constantly making money from the games. In other words, microtransactions & lootboxes in games no matter if it's singleplayer or not. Remove as much quality as possible from the games and lure people who are addicted to spending money on digital shit and the group of people who will spend money for liking such low quality games, is the main goal of making games as a "service".
@zoltanz288
6 жыл бұрын
AstraVex Just goes to show you how little gamers think these days. Fucking retards.
@Sizdothyx
6 жыл бұрын
6:32 Enough Cash to pay off 3 Student Loans Wow, they're rich.
@scoobington4882
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's like 3 trillion dollars
@Absolutely.
6 жыл бұрын
yeah he was obviously over exaggerating for comedic effect, you'd have to sell like trillions of loot boxes to be able to afford that
@USSAnimeNCC-
6 жыл бұрын
More like over 9000 student loan dept
@flashgordon4339
6 жыл бұрын
Shadows of the Damned Enslaved: Odyssey to the West Castlevania: Lords of Shadow Spider-man: Shattered Dimensions Vanquish Would rarely see anymore of these...
@dbert1024
6 жыл бұрын
Flash Gordon Alice: Madness Returns was my favorite midshelf game from that era, and now it needs a kickstarter to survive
@WillieManga
4 жыл бұрын
I would hate to see Bloodborne go the way of Dead Space. Bloodborne is derivative of its own developer's IP, but they made gorgeous with Lovecraftian lore and intense combat. FromSoft is my kind of Midshelf and I don't want them getting paranoid and forcing in microtransactions into their IPs because I love them and really hope they stick to their quicksilver bullet powered guns.
@TheWayoftheSith
4 жыл бұрын
The Last Remnant (square enix backer was mid-tier at that point), Armored Core series, Nier, Yakuza series, Dynasty Warriors, Gravity Rush 1 & 2 are good examples. I'd also add Darksiders series.
@smjaiteh
6 жыл бұрын
Hmm. Funny how the games people absolutely loved last and this year, like Persona 5, NieR: Automata, Nioh, Yakuza, Dad of Boi, and Hellblade, were games that focused on the _quality_ of the one-game experience. And the ones people got the most angry with were games that focused on the _quantity_ of time and money it can take from people. It’s as if normal people _love_ games that are *good* and _hate_ paying bills to maintain a service, or something.
@sebastiankrant2738
6 жыл бұрын
I would say its a mixture. I get the appeal of quantity. Not everyone is out there for the most focussed experience. I saw that development myself as I grew older. I more often than not just wanted something to shut down after work. I just couldnt get invested in stuff like Hellblade. I played it during a vacation in the evening where I wasnt tired and really liked it. But I just couldnt play it during work. I admit, I have a very focussed work schedule - often 50+ hours for a long time and much mental work but afterwards more vacation or just some easy weeks, but I think many have that. And there the appeal of a medium experience, that however has a great hours/$ ratio is found. The problem of course beeing that right now we have more games focussing on quantity than quality, despite the other way around it making more sense. I have enough vacation in a year to play 10 hellblades, but i just play so relativly unfocused that I probably could only play 3 far cries, even if I play them daily.
@The_Noticer.
6 жыл бұрын
I was so excited when I heard about Beyond Good and Evil 2. For about 10 seconds ... then to hear them saying "open world", and my heart sunk. I knew it was going to be another Ubisoft Game™
@ZlatkoTheGod
6 жыл бұрын
Well the original BG&E was semi-open world so it might just be able to transition into the model without it ruining the game. I mean I know it's Ubisoft and they're terrible and we will likely feel their sleazy fingers in it but I shall remain optimistic to the very end. We've waited too long to give up now.
@vrapbrap
6 жыл бұрын
Please look forward to treasures that you can find and open with microtransactions, please look forward to some forced online component and "OPTIONS" to speed up player experience that also locks out a bunch of stuff from you because its an option to have shit locked away from you that you should have had from the start. LOOK FORWARD TO IT! FUCK!
@The_Noticer.
6 жыл бұрын
A SPEEDCRAFT MICROTRANSACTION?
@DeoMachina
6 жыл бұрын
MICROPEARLACTIONS?
@The_Noticer.
6 жыл бұрын
Bueno jade
@arenkai
6 жыл бұрын
NieR:Automata would not have existed without Drakengard, so a Mid-Tier game from 2004 brought forth the pinnacle of gaming in 2017, which is still a mid-tier game. That's the only argument anybody should need.
@Texelion3Dprints
6 жыл бұрын
Should be called Mid-Nier, not Mid-Tier then. Badum-tsss
@gazirelseiryuu7229
6 жыл бұрын
that joke is so bad.. you got 2 B kidding me
@TheQuentinSK8
6 жыл бұрын
Gazirel Seiryuu This cannot continue
@julesfumery7515
6 жыл бұрын
Texelion 3D prints This made me want to kill myself. Maybe I'll become as a god then?
@kaylee42900
6 жыл бұрын
I had heard someone high up at SE just wanted a Taro game so that's why we even got that game. Very little expectation for sales (until it blew away lifetime expectations in months). More than anything I loved N:A because it completely messed with my expectations and what I thought a video game should be. It was different. It was refreshing. But years down the line you give me N:A-4 at the same quality and I'll be completely un-enthused because I'm just burnt out of that type of game.
@palchristianandersen9086
6 жыл бұрын
I remember reading when the transition from PS2 to 360 was happening that the increase in graphic fidelity alone just destroyed some of the mid-tier developers. Suddenly the development cost of making a game shot through the roof, and they couldn't keep up.
@jmurray1110
Жыл бұрын
Just a convenient excuse gif the real reason
@GypsyxDarling
6 жыл бұрын
A few months ago, my partners and I went back into our PS2 libraries and played a bunch of these mid-level games, and we were all consistently impressed by the quality of weird little titles we'd never played. "It's not perfect," we'd say, "but dang, it's fun!" We had these little epiphanies for like, 8 or 10 games. It was nice.
@thomasjenkins7506
6 жыл бұрын
the PS2 library is always worth going back to. there are just tons of games no one has every heard that are fun. there is also a ton of crap, but even a bunch of the crap is kinda fun in it's own way.
@venn2001ad
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Perfection is not needed; rather the games being FUN is definitely needed. And as long as that quota is met, what else is there to talk about?
@bishop6881
6 жыл бұрын
“Boy” Is going to be the quote of 2018 calling it now
@sonofriggnarok9320
6 жыл бұрын
It's been a thing people have been saying for generations, I don't see it being any different now.
@nomercy8989
6 жыл бұрын
nah by the end of the year everyone will forget about it and a meme will be born from bethesdas next game. Like An arrow to the knee or preston gravy
@bishop6881
6 жыл бұрын
nomercy8989 Bethesda does have a knack for annoying Npcs
@onemorescout
6 жыл бұрын
Triple AYYYYY is objectively better though
@phaolo6
6 жыл бұрын
+Bishop Gale Did you just say KNACK!?
@darkphilosopher8726
6 жыл бұрын
Back in the 1990's and early 2000's, when I was growing up, we had tons of new games coming out at a break neck pace which meant tons of different stories and ideas that made games interesting for even the pickiest gamer. Over time that diversity has died off and people don't remember anymore that this barren field is not the way it has always been and that we once had proper choices in gaming.
@shintenku
6 жыл бұрын
Sir Jim , This video really have hit home-run for me , I grew up in the awesome era of Genesis and NES until this Current generation , and it turned way worse than we thought , Too many Greedy ass developers , Cancerous Cooperate suits , Many lies and deception , Laziness in developments , No Passion , no Creativity and innovation Except small numbers of Good Studios are left now , Which it pains me to see gaming turned into this Abomination .
@TheNN
6 жыл бұрын
You could even call them...Midway Games.
@GreavesEc
6 жыл бұрын
RIP the suffering - best action horror game ever
@Rhyas9
6 жыл бұрын
I c wat u did thar
@mistamisa7271
6 жыл бұрын
NBA JAM~ Great game RIP Midway 1958-2010
@jamesgrey785
6 жыл бұрын
Cruising USA
@shintenku
6 жыл бұрын
Please someone give this man a medal , Midway was one of the best Developers ever ,,,, The suffering , Mortal kombat Sholin monks , Deception , Deadly alliance , Subzero mythologies , Psy-ops , Time spiltter , Area 52 , all Doom games on PS1 , Doom 64 , Quake 64 and the list on and on , I miss Midway so much , my heart is crying right now
@arenkai
6 жыл бұрын
'member Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver ? 'member Parasite Eve ? 'member Wild Arms ? 'member Zone of the Enders ? 'member No One Lives Forever ? 'member Vagrant Story ?
@Psycheitout
6 жыл бұрын
arenkai I member!!!
@bustermachine7485
6 жыл бұрын
Too bad even if we get Zone of Enders 3 it will likely be awful considering the current state of Konami
@subVersionband
6 жыл бұрын
arenkai ohhh i member!
@acheron16
6 жыл бұрын
"Mid tier" games that were fucking amazing. If something like Soul Reaver or Zone of the Enders came out today, exactly as they were (minus massively updated graphics) they would be game of the year contenders instantly. People have gotten used to mediocrity and call it *"AAA"* games.
@billbillinger2117
6 жыл бұрын
Peperridge Farm 'members.
@benbreuer4966
6 жыл бұрын
There’s no such thing as the perfect pasta sauce, only perfect pasta sauces.
@dayvie9517
6 жыл бұрын
BOLOGNESE EVERY DAYS SIR
@brutalbunny
6 жыл бұрын
we need more chunky video games!
@koriharpoon2476
6 жыл бұрын
I watched that video last night before I went to bed. Heh.
@dentistguba
6 жыл бұрын
Sauce as a service, we can install a tap with an endless supply of bland watery sauce to your home.
@diegoantoniorosariopalomin4977
6 жыл бұрын
this episode is far more synthetized than that , this one didnt need so much time dedicated to a now obviously unnecessary analogy
@franciscobrisolladeoliveir9596
6 жыл бұрын
It's weird to see that most mid tier games nowadays are from Japan. Utawarerumono, Disgaea, Neptunia, Danganronpa and Nier:Automata all have modest budgets but the fun factor I got from them were several times higher than most " *triple AYYY* " games I purchased. Also, should I put Warframe as a mid shelf game, even if it is F2P?
@coreylineberry8557
5 жыл бұрын
Seeing someone reference Neptunia is good for my heart.
@SourCyanide
5 жыл бұрын
u r just a weeb sry
@todesziege
5 жыл бұрын
Is it really weird, though? Japan's game industry have *always* been healthier.
@krspaceT1
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of publishers in Japan make games like that would make their money back in Japan alone. Neptunia and Sengen work like that. They'd not work at COD budgets
@Holacalaca
6 жыл бұрын
Mid shelf games would probably solve franchise fatigue as well. Publishers like bethesda, unlike ubisoft, dont have to release a huge elder scrolls game every year or disappear until their next game, they can fill the gaps between big releases with smaller games. Its not a blockbuster if blockbusters are all youre making.
@KaiserAfini
6 жыл бұрын
Games who have higher production values than indie but are not consummed by the assembly line production model, focusing on the experience instead ? You mean, makes games instead of Skinner Boxes ? Like they did in the early 2000s, when the future was brimming with potential ? YES, PLEASE, AAA is so samey today, originality needs to be resurrected.
@NotAFakeName1
6 жыл бұрын
KaiserAfini the pc has a lot of games like this TBH. People like obsidian or paradox interactive make unique titles that circumvent triple a bloat.
@KaiserAfini
6 жыл бұрын
Patrick Murphy Don't forget Larian, there are still paragons of good games, but the biggest studios are still stuck in stasis
@Ghost140
6 жыл бұрын
Thankfully it still exists on the PC you just have to dig,dig, and dig for it.
@thereisnospace
6 жыл бұрын
Crookz:The Big Heist was just like that. it was good but didn't sell.
@Psycorde
6 жыл бұрын
"I've watched Extra Credits videos and learned a new word! Look at me, I'm so smart now!" - most games are "Skinner Boxes" at some extent, BOY. By playing nearly anything we mindfap chasing fake rewards, be it in-game items/goals or feeling of satisfaction itself.
@sharkofjoy
6 жыл бұрын
"If the Flintstones have nowhere to live, the game industry suffers."
@WizoIstGott
6 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right on this. One hope for middle shelf games is the increasing production of games outside the US and Japan, especially in eastern Europe. Eastern Europe is growing really fast in the last 10 years giving us games like Stalker, The Metro Series or the Witcher Games. With the way lower average costs for development in the Ukraine or in Poland compared to the US/Japan it´s a market that will grow.
@MamoMark
6 жыл бұрын
This might be why I feel this entire console generation felt stagnant from the start. 5 years with the PS4 & X1 and nothing even that memorable. There have been some great games here and there, but the level of PS2 or even PS3/360 isn't even close.
@markheavens36
6 жыл бұрын
Good point, I mean when I think back to the PS4 Xbox One release, we got mostly remasters to start with or games that would work on both the last generation and this one. I'm genuinely trying to think of games that totally blew me away and the best I can come up with is the Witcher 3.
@MamoMark
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. There were some games like the Witcher 3 or God of War but nothing. I have probably hundreds of games from back then that are so memorable and have a last effect; but now its different. Isn't it sad that the remasters are the ones I look forward to sometimes? That needs to change...
@weaverquest
6 жыл бұрын
MamoMark I disagree. I have been playing games since the PS2 and I think that while the sheer number of games released has been reduced, the actual quality of the games that we got increased tremendously. From the top of my head in chronological order the games that I find both memorable and high quality this generation are Infamous Second Son, Shadow of Mordor, Batman Arkham Knight, Just Cause 3, Witcher 3, Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3, Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush 2, Persona 5, Nier Automata, Yakuza 0, Horizon Zero Dawn, Nioh, Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice, Cuphead, Monster Hunter World and God of War. Also don't forget that second half of every console generation is the most fruitful and right now we have games like Detroit: Become Human, Red Dead Redemption 2, Kingdom Hearts 3, Spiderman PS4, Metro Exodus, Death Stranding, Dreams and Cyberpunk 2077 to look forward to. I am sure someone can come up with a much longer list of memorable PS2 games but would they be as high quality as the ones I listed? Probably not. Stagnancy is a problem among a specific portion of the video game market but not necessarily a universal problem. Games today take longer to make and held to higher quality standards and I believe that's good thing. Also games that feel stagnant to us like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, COD, Battlefield etc. still have an audience of their own possibly new gamers that are introduced to the series for the first time so I don't see it as a serious problem either. I think the problems mentioned in this video is isolated to a few specific yet really big publishers but doesn't necessarily represent the state of the video game industry as a whole.
@Ink129
6 жыл бұрын
This is why I've been playing so many Japanese games over the last couple of years - they make these middle tier games and they are fantastic! They don't care about live service games (not yet anyways and I don't think they will) and therefore they get most of my money at the moment. I only have time for ONE live service game in my life at a time anyways (Rainbow Six: Siege has taken that spot) - don't most people feel like this? When it comes to middle shelf games I can complete several of them a year and generally have more fun doing that. But of course, microtransactions don't have the same impact on consumers in linear story driven games as they do in live service games...
@isidorodaviddoro1920
6 жыл бұрын
Final fantasy 15 says no
@Ink129
6 жыл бұрын
Yaminabototal ~ Well, I'm not really into Japanese culture as such and has never even dabbled in manga nor anime, but OK - not the worst thing to be called, I guess...
@ais4185
6 жыл бұрын
Which ones, might I ask?
@Ink129
6 жыл бұрын
Abe ~ Which games I've played? Nioh was my favorite game from last year. Then I've played through a few Yakuza games (playing 6 at the moment), Resident Evil 7, Monster Hunter: World, Nier: Automata, Ni No Kuni 1 and 2, Gravity Rush, Bloodbourne, the Dark Souls franchise... and I'm certainly forgetting some. Just downloaded Persona 5 at a sale, so that will probably be my next project.
@inkblotCrisis
6 жыл бұрын
Renaissance or Crash, we're headed towards one of those.
@SAM-ru4vx
6 жыл бұрын
what happens when the game servers shutdown?
@CreeperKiller666
6 жыл бұрын
"what happens when the game servers shutdown?" I imagine people will just go back to playing Half Life, Warcraft 3, The Elder Scrolls, Pokemon, or whatever other single-player compatible game they used to play before they got hooked on online only gaming.
@bagrym
6 жыл бұрын
just with international politics. the crash still makes money. a renaissance costs money. so it will be the crash
@chubbycatfish4573
6 жыл бұрын
I hope so.
@MrRicadams1
6 жыл бұрын
I choose Crash. Might teach the publishers some humility.
@redcalxz6846
6 жыл бұрын
That's why the PS2 is my all time favorite console. There's such a treasure trove of awesome games in it's library, as well as it being a huge library at that, it's always fun finding hidden gems in it. And it's not just the PS2, the 6th gen in general was fucking awesome with that. I really miss those days.
@jameskazd9951
6 жыл бұрын
i agree i still have a ps2 and will never give it up
@youare5907
6 жыл бұрын
RedCalx Z I don’t really see any amazing games on it aside from jack and daxter and sly cooper. What’re soon good ones?
@abadenoughdude300
6 жыл бұрын
From the top of my head: Persona 3 & 4, Onimusha 3, DMC 3, Okami, Beyond Good and Evil, Gran Turismo 4, God of War 1 & 2, Sands of Time trilogy... Either ONE of these completely destroys 98% of modern titles in terms of content and entertainment.
@krisb4872
6 жыл бұрын
Armored core series kengo: master of Bushido little ninjas
@aedof
5 жыл бұрын
@@youare5907 It's so nice to hear someone mention Sly Cooper. It's my favorite platformer(s) and doesn't get enough love.
@samvimes9510
6 жыл бұрын
Japanese publishers are pretty much the only ones left who believe in having a variety of games and will keep smaller teams around. Nier Automata and Persona 5 are both perfect examples of this. Yoko Taro has always made weird niche games that sold poorly, but Square Enix kept him around anyway because someone in the company saw his potential, and it was finally realized with Automata. If he had been employed by a western company, he would have been fired years ago. Similarly, Atlus have always made mid-tier games. Sure, the Shin Megami Tensei franchise was never as niche as something like Drakengard, but it was no Final Fantasy either. Sega still kept Atlus around though and let them do their own thing, and it paid off big for them when Persona 5 broke into the mainstream. Now you can actually make your Sonic OC Do Not Steal™ run around in a Joker outfit in Sonic Forces.
@kartikayysola
6 жыл бұрын
I would add the Yakuza games to your list, although with the success of 0 and Kiwami (not sure what 6's sales numbers are at the moment), it seems to be picking up some steam.
@OutOfTheShadows1
6 жыл бұрын
Sam Vimes falcom is a great example as well. kiseki, ys, xanadu, and dragon slayer, and the legend of heroes are amazing midtier series, with their own unique style and ideas.
@frosty6845
6 жыл бұрын
Kartik Ayysola Yakuza is practically a AAA game in its home market
@RippahRooJizah
6 жыл бұрын
For me, AAA is purely a reference to its budget, not it's popularity. I mean, Pokemon isn't exactly a AAA tier RPG series.
@kartikayysola
6 жыл бұрын
FrostyP Yeah that's fair. I'm American so I'm kinda used to no one knowing the games. Lol
@CarozQH
6 жыл бұрын
But Jim! Yves Guillemot told me that *Triple AAA* is the only way to go!!
@smjaiteh
6 жыл бұрын
Eves Jellymoat.
@zetetick395
6 жыл бұрын
Well, that settles it then! The great Yves hath spoken! :S ....It's a damn shame too, because Ubi used to often bring out real quality designed AAA titles imo! - now it's challengeless re-skinned open world gameification laundry lists from here to eternity! :(
@kosmosyche
6 жыл бұрын
Zetetik Dude, Ubisoft was the shit early to mid 2000's. Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell series, Beyond Good and Evil, Rayman, Brothers in Arms, Ghost Recon, the original Far Cry... Big publisher that cared about quality and diversity and wasn't afraid to take risks. Unfortunately, I feel like the success of Assassin's Creed kinda broke it. AC open-world formula became their heroin, from which they could never fully recover ever since.
@stoned887
6 жыл бұрын
Oh, Ubisoft doesnt want to make any mid-tear games anymore. Then I guess they published Mario Rabbids, Anno 2205 (and the upcoming sequel) ,Grow Home/Grow Up, and Trackmania Turbo by accident.
@CarozQH
6 жыл бұрын
@stoned887 This is mostly referring to Yves' idiotic statements about "life service" game
@CursiveS
6 жыл бұрын
PS2 and GameCube were legendary times for me when I was a kid, renting games every week. I rented from a locally owned rental place, and they always had tons of titles that were one and done IPs. Stretch Panic, Gotcha Force, the Armored Core games, Gundam Versus, Way of the Samurai, Cubivore, Skygunner, there was all kinds of these smaller titles brought some real variety in both gameplay and style into gaming for those that wanted to see what else there was in the world besides Triple A titles. These middle tier games really shaped me as a gamer in ways the more broadly reaching Triple A titles never could. Its a shame that nowadays we have to dig through piles of bad games, or ruined games due to some kind of monetization just to find the titles that are truly worth your time. You just rarely see games become a cult classic anymore: its usually a big success, a slowly dying title due to [Not enough Publicity, development hell, or potential not being tapped into], or just an outright scam. I felt like back with the PS2 and GameCube, almost any title I could pick up at a rental store, I could find some kind of solid experience or cool ideas. Now with the Steam store, it feels like finding the needle in the haystack. Publishers forget how impactful a passionate niche fanbase can be for a game and its success. We have more people playing games now than ever, with some actual care about developing a solid, interesting title that breaks the mold a bit, I can only imagine how much better off a developer looking to satisfy a niche crowd could be.
@heavymetalknight2
6 жыл бұрын
CursiveS I agree with what you say and games these days do lack a certain something - but I wonder if we have a hand in it too sometimes. Most games upon release are heralded as revolutionary! But after the honey moon period fades which is always inevitable ... out come the videos saying ... "is it overrated?" You can see it happening right now with God of war, which is in itself a solid game. Why? I suspect to breathe new life into a topic and keep the views coming in. Meanwhile impressionable people take what is said as fact and the game in question can suffer. Not only that, but innovation gets harder as time goes on - what was once innovative soon grows stale and you gotta come up with something else - that can't be easy. To be clear I have no love for most developers and this isn't a defence of their more recent actions ... I'm just trying to see the whole picture and in doing so I've come to believe we ain't without accountability. On a side note I LOVED armored core! And from software said they ain't done with the brand yet so look out for that :)
@BRUXXUS
6 жыл бұрын
Ever try P.N.03? That was a LOT of fun. I'd love to see a new version of that! Also... Eternal Darkness. A game I STILL see developers taking ideas from all these years later. Too bad Silicon Knights decided they needed ALL THE MONEY and screwed up Too Human.
@heavymetalknight2
6 жыл бұрын
BRUXXUS I'm not sure, what's P.N.03?
@Avirx
6 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Jim. We need more games like Vanquish and God hand.
@DAPower98
6 жыл бұрын
avirx8 Oh Vanquish was a lot of fun in my PS3. Tho I felt it was pretty short :v
@JulieLamia
6 жыл бұрын
Thank God for Platinum Games.
@Radioactivetaco9
6 жыл бұрын
RIPO scalebound. it was so close
@femtoservants
5 жыл бұрын
jim sterling did not liked vanquish...
@GruppeSechs
5 жыл бұрын
God Hand is the coolest game I'll never play.
@devilmikey00
6 жыл бұрын
The Metro Franchise is a good example of of a Mid-Tier game. Then again those were made during the last gen and the very early days of this one.
@666kingdrummer
6 жыл бұрын
but you can clearly see a difference between the two games, which is proof of healthy progression and further proof that the mid-tier games of today are the AAA giants of tomorrow.
@mrduby3464
6 жыл бұрын
New one is coming out semi soon, I’m excited
@etheldir128
6 жыл бұрын
devilmikey00 see, this is where I'm a little confused on the definition of a mid tier game. I literally thought of metro in my head, but then i was like - they were SUCH good games, they can't be mid tier. Would you consider then, bioshock to be mid tier too? I'm guessing prey therefore comes under the same category. What i'm getting at is these just all seem to be normal games to me: if these are mid tier, then there seems to be a healthy supply of them to me
@mrduby3464
6 жыл бұрын
etheldir128 I personally think there are a decent amount of mid level games out there, and currently in production. I do believe that some of the high quality/quantity mid level game developers have gone belly up. I’d consider prey a mid level game even though it came from a big publisher. I’m also a big believer that single player games aren’t dying but are instead exploding back into popularity with the likes of botw, persona, Mario, dad of boy, ect
@EvilExcalibur
6 жыл бұрын
Definitely a fantastic example
@oisinkeevers9146
6 жыл бұрын
The yakuza series in my opinion is the best middleshelf game series out there
@sbuderlenyora
6 жыл бұрын
agreed. plus the writing is insanely good in those games, better than most AAA stories
@mathew2214
6 жыл бұрын
another reason why the ps2 and original xbox era was the greatest age of gaming.
@spluddrott
6 жыл бұрын
mathew2214 Fucking A
@jacobbelyea7945
6 жыл бұрын
mathew2214 Agreed but the GameCube was the real way to go then
@Blueshiftone
6 жыл бұрын
Spiderman dies, Vision dies, Black Panther dies, Dr. Strange dies, all Guardians of the Galaxy (except RR) dies, Scarlet Witch dies, Winter Soldier dies, half the cast dies, essentially.
@zoltanz288
6 жыл бұрын
mathew2214 PC was doing amazing during that era too.
@songohan3321
6 жыл бұрын
mathew2214 My philosophy is if a game has been made, it can still be played. A single player experience can feel new if not played before or played in a while no matter the release date.
@AdamBarnett256
6 жыл бұрын
I miss quick-fire PS2 budgety titles. Gitaroo Man and Katamari Damacy are two of my favorites to this day, and I doubt anyone would call them 'triple A' releases.
@GRAHFXENO
6 жыл бұрын
Mid-shelf games are my thing. I love the underdog humble games that rely on clever development over money. NieR [PS3], Remember Me [PS3], The Technomancer [PS4], The Surge [PS4] and EVERY game by Suda51 are just a few examples of mid-shelf games I love. Hell, my mid-shelf obsession even goes back to the NES days with games like Power Blade, Crystalis, Metal Storm, Shatterhand, etc.
@Shindai
6 жыл бұрын
The irony of Ubisoft releasing a game where a repeated theme was "did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?" and then start making open world OCD-a-thons exclusively for the next lifetime.
@david18cruz1989
6 жыл бұрын
to be fair the "definition of insanity is doing the same shit again and expect a different result" ubisoft has been doing the same shit agian and expecting 'THE SAME result, só not that ironic
@pcyxishw
6 жыл бұрын
They did make Mario + Rabbids, the definition of a risk-taking mid-tier game if there was one ! ^^
@MentalParadox
6 жыл бұрын
Money trouble has forced me to replay old games rather than buy new ones. Everything from mid/late '90s to 2000s. I haven't had this much fun in years. I've become aware modern games are missing one important element... Fun.
@Taseradict
6 жыл бұрын
Me too! I was unemployed for several months last year and replayed many of the classics. Finally got the time to make a no kill no alerts hard mode run on MGS3.
@sunlightprince3173
6 жыл бұрын
Their are probably many reason why we see less mid-tier games but one of them is definitely "Games as a Service". Reoccuring revenue is just the most benefitial thing for the publishers
@NotTheStinkyCheese
6 жыл бұрын
Recurring revenue is only ever going to be beneficial for a minority of the publishers. The rest will be stuck with a game that won't ever have a big enough audience to generate the money that make maintenance profitable. Forget about actually updating content. The tabletop game industry already has this problem. There's only a few brands that manage to make money on a single franchise. The rest need to constantly create stuff.
@Meocross
6 жыл бұрын
Nice to know publishers are thinking more about their pockets than customer satisfaction. They do not realize that when the customer throws them away they are on the street.
@12Daniel34
6 жыл бұрын
I once digged a hole so deep in Minecraft... I reached the GROUNDBED.
@joeschmoe2843
6 жыл бұрын
I read that as, "I reached the grounded". I thought you got in trouble.
@aesen161
6 жыл бұрын
Woah
@specopsvince4299
6 жыл бұрын
Ohhh spicy meme
@zeromailss
6 жыл бұрын
I played hundreds and hundreds of PS2 game, they are glorious I was not aware of how the game industry work when 360 and PS3 is the new meta and always wondered, where is the sequel of a lot of good game from PS2? Or new IP from hundreds of good but not that huge of a publisher? Sigh...
@246Rennie
6 жыл бұрын
The game industry is just much more ruthless now then it used to be and when a smaller studio tries to stick their heads out they either get decapitated or get bought out then killed slowly. Very few are the ones that manage to survive for long after they have any sort of success.
@Th3Sh1n1gam1
6 жыл бұрын
Indie games have made many spiritual successors to games that never got a sequel.
@vincentmuyo
6 жыл бұрын
Rogue Galaxy was pretty fun... I should finish it.
@MrFredthefro
6 жыл бұрын
Sadly due to Pubs like THQ and Sega collapsing basically many IP's are tied up in legal disputes :(
@VaunShiz
6 жыл бұрын
にゃあエイリアンMeowAlien I know look how many starwars game were on ps2 and even PS3, now we basically we have 1
@Dr170
6 жыл бұрын
Cena being compared to a bland, forgettable, inexplicably popular disposable AAA game like Call of Duty is as apt a metaphor as the Jimmogrified One has ever delivered.
@Gigas0101
6 жыл бұрын
I dunno, John Cena can actually deliver when it counts, quite unlike AAA games.
@arkeshn729
6 жыл бұрын
Gigas0101 Cena has always been a watered down Rock to me.. Orton has more versatility.. character and moveset wise
@AlexGreat321
6 жыл бұрын
Honestly Roman Reigns fits the analogy better. Cena is like Halo/Gears Of War. Popular, not technically as good as others but has a certain charm that makes him pretty good
@Blueshiftone
6 жыл бұрын
Spiderman dies, Vision dies, Black Panther dies, Dr. Strange dies, all Guardians of the Galaxy (except RR) dies, Scarlet Witch dies, Winter Soldier dies, half the cast dies, essentially.
@MelissiaBlackheart
6 жыл бұрын
This. He's like The Rock, but without the charisma and acting talent.
@TheBrazilRules
6 жыл бұрын
When i say games were better in the past people always call bullshit and start to list the bad games of previous eras, but what they don't understand is this. There simply were good games in greater quantity than nowdays.
@redwalrus2730
6 жыл бұрын
TheBrazilRules I think it's a mixed bag and a bit of a trade off. My favorite system of all time is SNES with PS4 a close second. Both game generations have huge positives and negatives. I think the problem is on either side you have people too enveloped in nostalgia so everything new is crap and then you have people that believe that newer is better. I think instead of focusing on which games were better, we need to look at how much the industry has changed (because it has at some point no matter how old you are) and how a lot of publishers don't actually care about gaming anymore.
@gundamzaku
6 жыл бұрын
I mis the games with funny cheat codes, and no I don't mean microtransactions!
@android19willpwn
6 жыл бұрын
If I can't even roll up to my enemy's fortress with a hoard of Canadian laser bears, what even is the point of video games?
@RippahRooJizah
6 жыл бұрын
... I never found the point of big head mode in any game, nor understood why it was around so much.
@gundamzaku
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too, I miss the days when unlock cosmetic that was hard to get and tell your friend that you unlock it.
@MoistChungus
6 жыл бұрын
I remember buying a thicc book of cheat codes because what the fucks an internet I'm 8 years old
@MoreImbaThanYou
6 жыл бұрын
I want another Dark Cloud. Despite it being FAR from my first game i ever played (that was Sonic 2 for the mega drive), it's one of the game i have not only the most nostalgia for, but wich i actually enjoy playing even today.
@smjaiteh
6 жыл бұрын
MoreImbaThanYou Dark Cloud was my intro to the power of the Playstation 2. I played it again on an emulator a while back and it still holds up significantly. Also, badass soundtrack.
@otakon17
6 жыл бұрын
MoreImbaThanYou Ni No Kuni II has Dark Cloud elements, you could always check that out.
@jriibzmodus4792
6 жыл бұрын
Play dark cloud 2
@pacattack2586
6 жыл бұрын
I love dark cloud ... but have you SEEN dark cloud 2 and the fact that you die the SECOND you leave the mech... Dark cloud's biggest problem is the fact the damage that gets taken by your characters far exceeds the damage they can take and you end up one shot by everything which is a bit unfair ... them taking more hits sure - them being harder to block/dodge fair... them one shotting you because weapons don't get a defense stat... not so much
@memnarch129
6 жыл бұрын
How about somthing like Kameo or Bloodrayne
@gagglegames
6 жыл бұрын
This basically explains why Timesplitters died off, and even though there is a sizeable fanbase ready to accept a game like it these days, Crytek won't make it.
@Dedfaction
6 жыл бұрын
I'd rather it was dead and my memory of it was unspoiled rather than have them remake it and bugger it up.
@denglong7180
6 жыл бұрын
First game ever...
@ItsTheMoonMan
6 жыл бұрын
im still sad they killed dead space :c
@RAFMnBgaming
6 жыл бұрын
ItsTheMoonMan dad space? Issac with Boi?
@mariaguadalupe5719
6 жыл бұрын
well, brace yourself...mass effect is next
@k.t.1641
6 жыл бұрын
Been having this ridiculous feeling of depression lately when trying to find something to play. My favorite games have been played to the point that they aren’t fun anymore, I know where everything is at etc. Something I usually want to try is a buggy broken mess, or just bores me. I feel like I’ve done this before with most games today. Especially survival games. So I quit gaming for awhile. I found it ridiculous that I was starting to feel anxiety when I sat there for like an hour trying to get something to work, or just not finding anything. Started reading again and so far I feel tons better. Hopefully this break will refresh me until a few good games are put out.
@juanmanuelcorrea7673
6 жыл бұрын
K. T. You should try out F1 2017. Even if you aren’t into Formula 1 or aerodynamic cars, it has such an appeal and there’s a lot of strategy behind. It’s not arcady in any way.
@MikeSW
6 жыл бұрын
Baba Is You will save us
@josha5933
6 жыл бұрын
Arkane games seem to be pretty mid-shelf, they don't seem to cost all the money in the world but they look pretty good, and are small but beautifully crafted
@bcsb
6 жыл бұрын
Here's a middle shelf game that looks like a Triple A game.
@guerillagrueplays6301
6 жыл бұрын
Here's a TV that looks like an apple.
@_zoinks2554
6 жыл бұрын
Binary Domain is a good example of a "middle shelf" game from last gen. Play this game, you're welcome!
@evillecaston
6 жыл бұрын
Excellent, another Jimquisition in which I can share my hatred for Activision! I think another problem facing AA studios is the fact that major publishers like to absorb them and then dissolve them once the first hint of imperfection arises. For example, during the PS360 gen, Activision killed off nine entire studios. I'm sure they have some excuse about those studios not being "sustainable", but what chance did the have in the first place? Simply put, publishers now only care about the biggest of bucks, and if the rest can't compete, well that's just too bad for them. Is it any wonder where all those mid-tier studios went? I'm glad your brought up Singularity, Jim, because Raven's fate may be even worse than death. Prior to 2010, Raven was a particularly solid AA studio, often working closely with id Software. Hell, they were even entrusted with Quake and Wolfenstein. However, after Wolfenstein 3 received lukewarm reviews, and Singularity faced delays, Activision thought it best to axe Raven. Half of the staff was laid off, while the remainder was relegated to Call of Duty DLC, which they still do to this day. They're not allowed to produce anymore games of their own, only serve the corporate overlords in their quest to milk CoD for all they can. Two decades of mostly beloved titles apparently means nothing to Activision. So yea, unless the AA space can find a way to avoid backstabbing of major publishers, I fear the problem of homogeneity will only get worse. It's just too easy for them to pump out garbage and still make bank (like with modern-day BUHLIZZERD), so why would they even need to change in the first place?
@samanthalord4101
6 жыл бұрын
The first two Soldier of Fortunes still remain some of my favorite (gory) shooters to this day
@MelMelodyWerner
6 жыл бұрын
Eville Caston Same fate happened to Half Moon. Transformers underdelivered so they're a zombie like Raven. That said, Raven made the War mode of CoD:WW2, which was basically Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory in Call of Duty (and as such, is apparently quite good). It's a shame about Raven too, since Ultimate Alliance would've been a license to print money now with the MCU's increasing the popularity of Marvel.
@NickonPlanetRipple
6 жыл бұрын
I miss the days when games had a more arcadey mindset and encouraged you to play them more than one time. Replay value is something that gives shorter games a kind of staying power that GIIIIIAAAANT games often don't have, because just going through it the first time and getting all the collectibles and taking down enemy bases an' shit just gets too exhausting to ever do more than once before moving on to the next giant overwhelming sandbox. These games are only ever intended to be played once, in a campaign that seems to go on forever and ever. No thanks, I've got things to do in real life. I come to games to take a break from things, not to commit to one unending game like it's a job or a relationship.
@callinater6133
6 жыл бұрын
Nick on Planet Ripple 3D Mario’s seem to have great replay value in my experience
@Ztormrageheero
6 жыл бұрын
Timesplitters 2 had good replay value. And worms armageddon
@astridyoung3336
6 жыл бұрын
The universe provides, thank god for the PS2
@spyone4828
6 жыл бұрын
My brother has commented the same thing about movies: there used to be a lot of small budget films from major studios that earned decent profits, but now everything seems to be a huge budget blockbuster. Rather than spend $200milion on a movie, spend $20million each on ten movies. The huge successes will be smaller. but so will the huge failures.
@RedGeist
6 жыл бұрын
You added Lost Odyssey music to the episode! I thought I was the only person who played that game... thank you for remembering it sir.
@W0rldbuilder
6 жыл бұрын
Martin Orlando I wish Lost Odyssey got a sequel. It would have been a killer RPG for the XB One or Windows. :c
@Mylesr01
6 жыл бұрын
Loved that game!
@otakon17
6 жыл бұрын
Martin Orlando you are not and I desperately wish there was a PC port.
@spiralgamer333
6 жыл бұрын
Martin Orlando I caught it, too! I thought I recognized the music and once I listened to a particular segment, I realized it was the battle theme.
@shadesofnier1
6 жыл бұрын
Blamyris Cardona with the game developpement's ending with the entire team splitting up and being bitter at each other, I doubt we'll ever see another Lost Odyssey
@connorhandforth814
6 жыл бұрын
Saw the Soul Reaver game at 4:16 and immediately was saddened that we'll never see a sequel or a remaster...
@spawnof200
6 жыл бұрын
legacy of kain! WANT!
@randomcallum
6 жыл бұрын
Playing this at the moment on my gpd XD awesome game made more awesome by playing portable :D
@rojovision
6 жыл бұрын
I'd accept a remaster of the series, but I'd personally prefer no sequels. The story has been told, and it was a great one...let it rest in peace.
@pavlotverdokhlib7627
6 жыл бұрын
Raziel's story is over. Kain's isn't Blood Omen 3, Squeeenix. Please. You can even try making it open world. I'll allow it, as long as Templeman is voicing Kain and Henning writes the story.
@manabluerose
6 жыл бұрын
Soul Reaver is a game that begs for a remaster. Such a fantastic story, but without that top notch voice acting, I don't want it.
@vrapbrap
6 жыл бұрын
These "Middle shelf" games are what I've mostly played. Like them piranha bytes games, various simulation games and strategy games. PC is filled to the brim with good, quality middle shelf games that often do many things better than their AAA brothers do. Things like RPG's and such, there are people making actual RPG's instead of the stupid pseudoRPG bullshit that companies like bethesda love so very much. Its funny though, some of my favorite games are these weird cheaper games that are often a bit rough around the edges, but overall do everything else better than the visual presentation maybe. The games aren't cynical and they are made with love. God DAMN do I love these "middle shelf" games.
@veryclever1980
6 жыл бұрын
"Shadow of Destiny" was such a masterpiece. Even after all these years, I can remember its multiple endings and complex characters.
@Ashtarte3D
6 жыл бұрын
I think the only saving grace we have right now is we till have a bucket load of middle tier game developers. We have groups like Obsidian, inExile, Bandai Namco, Nihon Falcom, Telltale and Wayforward; groups that put out some great, if slightly flawed, games that don't strive to be AAA releases but also are objectively bigger than indie studios. Also Jim I adore you for using footage from Shadow Hearts. Goddam I love that series. The second game is one of the most enjoyable JRPGs ever made.
@TwistedChungus
6 жыл бұрын
Seconded on the Shadow Hearts footage :)
@aerrae5608
6 жыл бұрын
God I LOVE Falcom. Their Trails of Series is my favorite set of games. E-V-E-R. I actually can't find any major flaws in that game series. It's better than Final Fantasy when it was at its peak.
@99Pierogies
6 жыл бұрын
Eh, I was with you until Telltale. They encompass the cancer that is AAA in a small dev package; release the same game with a different skin year after year after fucking year.
@rodney2x48
6 жыл бұрын
I love Wayforward a lot. Yeah, they mostly do beat-them-ups and sidescrollers, but they're all fun and nice to play.
@Cidriel
6 жыл бұрын
I'm with you except for Bandai Namco, because their DLC monetization is some of the worst only rivaled by Tecmo Koei as of late, both of which will gladly sell you carved out content hidden among "it's just cosmetic" items for literally all the money.
@Rhino-n-Chips
6 жыл бұрын
Alot of good points in this video but I think the statement at 10:43 bears repeating, it's something everyone here could learn from.
@jmlkhan5153
6 жыл бұрын
fucking why didn't you repeat it then?
@MentalParadox
6 жыл бұрын
Turning players into payers.
@PinkArmFlexer
5 жыл бұрын
Who took the L?
@miguelpereira9859
5 жыл бұрын
*HIT THE LEVER*
@sunlightprince3173
6 жыл бұрын
One of my favorites is "Shadows of the damned"
@christopherpittman2689
6 жыл бұрын
I loved that quirky game it was just fun!
@jamesgrey785
6 жыл бұрын
I liked getting the big boner in that game
@schmagum
6 жыл бұрын
Heh heh...Splort.
@Hamieee
6 жыл бұрын
Heh, that's my discord profile pic
@angelshadow3593
6 жыл бұрын
Sunlight Prince 2 this day never patvhed up the final boss battle. 😑
@EyeofSol299
6 жыл бұрын
Love the use of the Lost Odyssey soundtrack. Still one of the best video game soundtracks out there.
@PasticheofSkin
6 жыл бұрын
EyeofSol a perfect experiance when i first played it ^-^
@andyrushent251
6 жыл бұрын
Also an incredible example of a mid-tier gem.
@KatlamosQuickdraw
6 жыл бұрын
Ah, thank you! I was like, "I know this music, it's giving me emotions, where do I know this from?!" Such a good game. Loved the story it had.
@Iggsy81
6 жыл бұрын
MS needs to get mistwalker back tbh
@USSAnimeNCC-
6 жыл бұрын
Never heard of it and now I'm interested
@swytchblayd
6 жыл бұрын
The PS1/N64 era also had its share of low-to-mid-budget games that saw success (or at least made bank), and even earlier generations saw middle-tier games existing as well (remember that Squaresoft/Enix weren't always multibillion dollar companies!) Its only been since the middle of the PS3/360 era that mid-budget games have been going away. The PC is still the best place to find them, even if many of them are ports or multiplatform releases, and Micro$oft owns the main OS that games will play on.
@silver-skeleton2110
6 жыл бұрын
"Nintendo doesn't really count for anything I've said here because they exist in a weird little bubble where games are still good."
@goonerOZZ
6 жыл бұрын
Dazidan did you see the backlash the fan give when there's rumours that the new Pokémon Switch would reinvent the game?
@goonerOZZ
6 жыл бұрын
Dazidan seriously, everyone (well almost everyone) is like "Nintendo you better not change anything about Pokémon except upgrading the graphics or we will raise our pitchforks and torches!'
@goonerOZZ
6 жыл бұрын
Dazidan personally, I welcome a change on a franchise that has lasted for decades now... But to be honest, yeah Pokémon is like CoD, it's the same game with different skin and a new power ups. And I actually welcome a system change, any kind of system change, as long as it is able to enhance the experience of the game. But on the other hand, I also understand the value of, "why fix something that is not broken?" Anyhow, we'll just have to see, how it goes in this new Pokémon, we'll probably going to hear about it on this year's E3.
@OsakaSan
6 жыл бұрын
Can you guys imagine Street Fighter, a series of years and years of competitive scene, having its next entry being a turn based game? Yeah, me neither. That's why there's an outrage agaisnt changing the Pokémon core gameplay.
@BalthorYT
6 жыл бұрын
Battles with several pokemon at a time have existed since the third generation IIRC. They've also done a lot of experimenting later on, I think there was a generation where rotating 3 v 3 battles were a thing. Still, the Pokemon franchise has a very large, very enthusiastic fanbase that loves the games for their core experience: a linear, relatively simple story-driven game with a surprisingly deep battle system that is still very accessible from the beginning and has only been improved and refined over the years rather than changed significantly outright. There have been some titles that have taken a risk and gone off that path (Pokemon Ranger, the one with the spinning tops and all of that, comes to mind), but they know that after over 20 years, their formula is set in stone and changing it in the main franchise would be catastrophic. Their core doesn't have the flexibility that other systems have, so unlike a generic FPS like CoD, the noticeable changes you can make without changing the core are more limited. And even still, they have tried many times to make significant changes to that core, but the key difference is that they've always kept it on the wayside or announced it and hyped it up to see how the reception was. For instance, those special powermoves from the last generation (I think they were called "Z moves"?) got a surprisingly mixed reception when the first rumors started leaking out, but they turned out well enough and the fanbase accepted them. Similarly, the fairy type addition was initially met with a lot of vocal discomfort, but with time people got used to it and it helped reinvent the meta a bit.
@SuperNorstShow
6 жыл бұрын
Singularity was such a good fucking game. Nice to hear it shouted out!
@VARIOUShorses
6 жыл бұрын
Seeing a copy of a Legacy of Kain game in your selected image illustrating the PS2's library leaves me dreaming of a modern sequel / reboot. I only ever played Soul Reaver on a broken PS1 that refused to save that particular game, so I never got past the opening 2 hours, but I restarted it so many times. The music, the setting, the wierd premise. I still think about it all the time, but rhe gameplay aged / transferred terribly to the Steam version. If the relevant devs and publishers were looking for a mid-shelf franchise to return to I think I'm not alone in saying I'd love to play a new Legacy of Kain.
@aaronwebb1548
6 жыл бұрын
You are far from alone friend. I've been holding out for years, and now I'm worried if they do make a new one I'll need to purchase big head, little body and cardboard tube sword modes; all of which are essential elements of the core gameplay experience in my eyes.
@Stettafire
6 жыл бұрын
Gosh yes, although not so keen on bloodlines (was it bloodlines?) 2. You know the one I mean xD I played soul reaver and to me, it still has some of the best sound effects in any game I've ever heard. Just the sound of the main characters footsteps sounds awesome! It did, however, have that grainy dirty graphics look that a lot of games had at that time. Had no idea it went to Steam.
@Siriuskamikaze
6 жыл бұрын
The closes you are going to get is the Darksider series.
@zoltanz288
6 жыл бұрын
VARIOUS Todays gamers arent worthy of a new Legacy of Kain.
@LilChikyChan
6 жыл бұрын
VARIOUS Square Enix did return to Legacy of Kain. It was called Dead Sun. They cancelled it.
@Thylonicus
6 жыл бұрын
The primary cause of the problem wasn't addressed--the public. Those "service" games sell, and because they sell, more will be made. If people stopped buying them, they'd try something else. That doesn't mean buying alternatives, as sometimes there aren't alternatives to be had. Just--don't buy it. Play what you have and wait for something better. The "need" for something new and shiny, driven by the public, is the real cause of those kinds of games being continuously produced. Stop buying crap, and crap will stop being made.
@NimhLabs
6 жыл бұрын
You are running into the "Chunky Spaghetti Sauce" mistake. Mid Tier Games are what allow people to learn that Chunky Pasta Sauce is fun and tasty. People still enjoy Smooth Pasta Sauce--and there is money in that...
@DoomRater
6 жыл бұрын
You forgot the other point that goes in hand with your point about the PS2 library.... they bothered to make it run PS1 games, so it already HAD a huge ass library of healthy games when it launched.
@desmondbrown5508
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it may not be easy, but being able to essentially half the number of consoles you need by supporting old consoles through backwards compatibility is a good thing.
@elevown
6 жыл бұрын
I really dont think that is a big deal - very few consoles were ever backward compatible but most still did great. And- nobody makes you throw out your console when you buy a new 1! It is not a chore to leave your ps2 set up besides your new ps3 up to the point you never play it anymore. (or whatever consoles you want to insert).
@RippahRooJizah
6 жыл бұрын
It *is* a chore to leave your PS2 hooked up next to a PS3 for some. I mean, as stated, not everyone can have multiple consoles hooked up at once. I have my PS2, PS4, and PSTV hooked up to one TV, just imagine if I had more consoles.
@duffman18
6 жыл бұрын
DoomRater Yeah, and I can play PS1 games on an android tablet or phone on an emulator made by ONE GUY, and yet Sony and Microsoft can't find someone or a small team to build a good emulator to play those old games? Nintendo do the virtual console thing and that has a wealth of problems too, like why not release all the games, instead of like 5 per year. And why not have features like a little add on for the switch that let's you plug in all old gameboy and ds games. I'm sure some company will build one, and then everyone will love it, and then Nintendo will sue it out of existence, and then never make their own
@RippahRooJizah
6 жыл бұрын
@Duffman 1) Business 2) There is a difference between PSX emulation on an android and, say, PSX/PS2/PS3 emulation on PS4. 3) Business.
@StillNight77
6 жыл бұрын
At least indie games are getting more and more complicated. It's a market where quite often talented devs from the AAA markets settle down within and work on these smaller projects. Edit: Worth mentioning - the good middle-tier companies usually get bought out. Goodbye original Rare. Let's hope Playtonic can do better with their next game.
@Rylo151
6 жыл бұрын
Nintendo is a prime example for how it should be done done, for every Zelda or Mario there a handful of games like arms, kirby or Pikmin that are smaller but still sucessful enough that they can keep on making wacky experimental things. You need lots of sauces not just one sauce.
@59hawks
6 жыл бұрын
Rylo151 also ubisoft (an offender on ps4 and xbox1) on the switch has a mid shelf game in Xcom mario. reason: Nintendo doesn't let shit slide
@MathewHaswell
6 жыл бұрын
Remember when Ubisoft published Grandia in Europe?
@callinater6133
6 жыл бұрын
killerinstinct59 agreed. Just look at Koei tecmo: they developed hyrule warriors and The latest DW and there is such a massive gap in quality between the 2 - the publisher can make all the difference.
@AnnDVine
6 жыл бұрын
Metal Gear Survive is a middle shelf game! Konami's got your back!
@Largentina.
6 жыл бұрын
Andy McCoolname Quiet, you.
@CriticalQuit
6 жыл бұрын
Andy McCoolname I think the word you want is "bargain bin"
@1inchPunchBowl
6 жыл бұрын
Middle shelf? Shit! your being generous. I'm thinking more the basement.
@overlordmae9090
6 жыл бұрын
Abhorrent, but true.
@abexandre
6 жыл бұрын
Metal Gear Survive is a FFF game !
@Dannykm
6 жыл бұрын
This, THIS is why I feel like I don't enjoy games any more. After boycotting pretty much all of the AAA-games and having a hard time finding the gems in the frankly big pile of indie game shit that exist today, there's not much left to enjoy (other than the bubble that is Nintendo but that's beside the point). Thank you Jim!
@Iqbalx1
6 жыл бұрын
Danny well there Sony dad of war is pretty good
@UnknownMercenary
6 жыл бұрын
Pour one out for Raven Software, formerly a mid tier dev of awesome FPS games and now dedicated to Call of Duty map packs.
@UnknownMercenary
6 жыл бұрын
I would love a sequel to Singularity, or a real Soldier of Fortune 3.... Heck I even liked their reboot of Wolfenstein. It was open world without being too open world.
@jameskazd9951
6 жыл бұрын
marvel ultimate alliance was a wonderful 4 player co-op action game with just the right amount of rpg elements. ultimate alliance is why deadpool is my favorite marvel character, since it got me into reading the comics. not the movie or the mediocre deadpool game
@OlviMasta77
6 жыл бұрын
UnknownMercenary Sad
@miguelpereira9859
5 жыл бұрын
@@UnknownMercenary Dude the Wolfenstein reboot was so fun. It's a shame old fans didn't give it a chance because of the modern military shooter mechanics
@ColeVecsion
6 жыл бұрын
Most of the japanese gaming industries been holding the middle tier gaming ground for awhile now, from softwares just been the most succusful of the bunch, this is a industry where selling in the hundred thousands is a succuss I feel like when the floor breaks under the shit piling up from western gaming, the japanese will reclaim the gaming industry once again, which is good and bad in diff ways from the west (nintendo i agree is in it's own litle bubble and doesn't count)
@fy8798
6 жыл бұрын
More a weeaboo opinion than fact, though, and take that from someone with an anime avatar and plenty of love for japanese games. The majority of western games has equal or higher quality than that of japanese AA games, they just get no mention in the Jimquisition, and don't have waifus, so they don't get any mention in anime circles either. Western games are likely what will reclaim the industry once the big publishers collapse - they're doing just fine, with better quality than ever. Remember: The "videogame crash" was actually just a "US videogame crash". The rest of the world never crashed in 1983. Western CONSOLES died there, but PC games did not, and western PC devs have been strong since then, with pretty much no break despite the so-called "collapse". It's dumb fanboyism to only cling to japanese games and ignore great western ones, just like it'd be dumb to do the opposite.
@Eccegato
6 жыл бұрын
You DO know that it was the Japanese mobile gacha system (mind my spelling) which gave inspiration to lootbox system, right???
@ColeVecsion
6 жыл бұрын
the fuck you talking about, fen? i'm not promoting anime shit over western shit, i'm just saying anime shit is the mid tier games and when western games collapse in on themselves the anime shit'll likely take over again, did you even read my comment? you're rambling on about shit that has nothing to do with my comment, turn your weeb off and read right, same to the guy below you too, for fucks sake
@Zorrent12
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think Fen Y mentioned anime anywhere besides first sentence. You did read past that, right? He said there are plenty of middle tier western games; they just go unnoticed.
@FairyRat
6 жыл бұрын
If only Japanese knew how to business and how to games.
@GiratinaofFury
6 жыл бұрын
One game genre I miss is one you can just pick up and play, and have fun with. These days, everything is a chore list, and wants you to invest everything into it. The fun I used to have with some old games where I would pick up, play a few levels, and then put it away again.
@groothewanderer3409
6 жыл бұрын
Giovanni Magnus I know exactly what you mean. Linear games like Spec Ops: The Line, Dead Space, etc were so easy to pick up and play. Open worlds killed the idea of "chapters" and "levels". Now everything has to have a giant world with a disjointed story. It sucks.
@clovermite
6 жыл бұрын
"The fun I used to have with some old games where I would pick up, play a few levels, and then put it away again." Have you tried "Into the Breach?"
@wowoliwowol4702
6 жыл бұрын
I think pillar of eternity and divinity original sin both are good examples of middle shelf games (not that they are inferior in my opinion they are even better than almost all AAA Games)
@handler8838
6 жыл бұрын
But those are kickstarters though. He is talking about AAA companies.
@fy8798
6 жыл бұрын
Great examples right there. I'm sure many AAA games came out during that time, never noticed, was busy playing games like Original Sin. But then even Father of Boy passed me by almost entirely. Just no time for it, got better stuff to play.
@kityhawk2000
6 жыл бұрын
Wowoli Wowol Total War Thrones of Britannia is also one just about to come out. I don't know if it's any good but from the price it seems like a mid range game.
@handler8838
6 жыл бұрын
I thought that was DLC? Im kinda lost on TW titles since they've gone full Warhammer
@kityhawk2000
6 жыл бұрын
han dler no it's a new game. It's there first return to historical stuff since Warhammer.
@Cryster99
5 жыл бұрын
The term AAA loses all meaning when there’s no midtier to base it off of. Just remember Platinum Games still makes INCREDIBLE action games on a relatively small budget.
@robintst
6 жыл бұрын
Another good wrestling analogy: If you don't invest in creating new stars, you won't have any potential main-eventers in the future when you're current top guys are too old and beat up to go anymore. A mid-tier game stands far more of a chance to BECOME a major hit and grow as a brand through word of mouth than trying to force it into being a major brand out of the gate with no track record because you pumped millions of dollars into it's development and advertising budgets. The wrestling equivalent to that is Vince forcing Roman Reigns down the throat of the fans who vehemently reject him. Right now, the Nintendo Switch would be the ideal platform for mid-tier games because it could certainly use them. It's doing great but we're falling back down into that rut where 90% of the major releases are Nintendo's own games again, the majority of support now is coming from small indie developers releasing their games on the eShop because these third-party Triple A publishers are too fucking stingy to spend the required money Nintendo asks for on the production of physical game cards or won't go with the larger capacity ones that could fit their entire game, forcing people to shell out for expensive micro SD's to have the extra storage to download the remainder of the game.
@maximo8066
6 жыл бұрын
or maybe we as game fans can form our own new 3rd party games industry to replace the old one that is too stingy to innovate on itself.
@nhall129
6 жыл бұрын
To be fair Sony was doing this all last year Yakuza, NieR, Persona, Gravity Rush And now we have Dad of Boy this year Sadly, with exception to a few, thats only coming from the Japanese market and only to the PS4
@callinater6133
6 жыл бұрын
Dad of boy is triple a not mid tier...
@nhall129
6 жыл бұрын
Meant that "Dad of Boy" wasn't following in all of the triple A trappings like "games as a service" and focusing on multiplayer
@justaknight4719
6 жыл бұрын
Dad of boy is definitely triple A game, all the you noted can count as mid shelf games though.
@nhall129
6 жыл бұрын
Peter Glagowski I mean Yakuza is pretty big now and makes good money in Japan but Yakuza's budget has never really been that big compared to most big triple A games Yakuza had been largely using the same engine and maps until Yakuza 6 even Yakuza 0 used a touched up version of the same engine
@frosty6845
6 жыл бұрын
Yakuza is Sega, Nier is Square Enix and Persona js Atlus
@jman8904
6 жыл бұрын
Some of the best games I ever played were the bargain bin ps2 games I would buy
@Wyndextor
6 жыл бұрын
I miss the days when I could find a weekend of enjoyment from a $10-$20 bargain bin game. Then again, I haven't been to a Gamestop in well over a year!
@renatocorvaro6924
6 жыл бұрын
Folklore. Got it for five bucks in a bargain bin, one of my favourite PS2 games.
@FlaminFaux
6 жыл бұрын
An engineering professor once told me, "Good enough is Just Right." Thats more or less how I feel about Mid shelf games. Theyre usually good enough, and therefore just right.
@AegixDrakan
6 жыл бұрын
There's a few places that still publish AA games. Focus Home made Of Orcs and Men and the two excellent Styx games, and The Technomancer for example. That said, there needs to be more. Variety is the spice of life after all. And without it, there's no genre or series to ever elevate to the AAA market, so you end up with just the same things circling the Live Service drain desperately trying to suck in more players to replace its depleting playerbase. BTW, when is that Warframe Jimquisition coming?
@MoreImbaThanYou
6 жыл бұрын
Styx fits that category quite well actually. I always felt like it was more than a "low budget" game, but it also wasn't a AAA title.
@frosty6845
6 жыл бұрын
Aegix Drakan The Japanese video game industry is full of AA games
@GrandisMassa
6 жыл бұрын
yes but they feel just totally different then a lot of western games.
@Pajali
6 жыл бұрын
FrostyP I think the Japanese developers tend to embrace niche markets more, which is why something like Persona (a life simulator fused with an RPG dungeon crawler) can have spin-offs that are arcade-style fighters and rhythm games. The variety of games even within a franchise can be staggering if you’re not used to it.
@main_stream_media_is_a_joke
6 жыл бұрын
MoreImbaThanYou For a stealth afficianado the 2 styx games are a must buy. Not AAA but far better than the big hitters.
@DarkMProductions
6 жыл бұрын
Jim, I suggest you look into a developer called Falcom. They are by far, to me, the best mid tier developer working today. Their games don't look the best, but they have it where it counts, gameplay, story, and music. And all of those aspects are fantastic in their games. On PS4, they have already released in the west Ys VIII, Ys Origin, and Tokyo Xanadu eX+. All of these games are great to fantastic. Plus, hopefully soon, we'll see Trails of Cold Steel 3 in the west.
@veinexesvideos9883
6 жыл бұрын
Yay for Shadow Hearts around 7:30 ish in the video. I’ve found almost no one who knows the series including GameStop employees save one lady cashier about 5 years ago
@TwistedChungus
6 жыл бұрын
I know it. Love the first three, meh on 'From the New World'.
@pt8306
6 жыл бұрын
Dark Souls/Demons Souls are good examples. Before the series was super popular, it was a very well made mid-tier game, with barely any advertising. And I am glad it exists. Good choice for an example.
@carlwitt7950
6 жыл бұрын
10:42 It's not the Corn Flakes Homunculi... but it'll do.
@deriznohappehquite
6 жыл бұрын
Definitely my proudest fap.
@UnrealPerson
6 жыл бұрын
I think that's Pogfucker, another Jim Freak.
@FireteamYogurt
6 жыл бұрын
I've been replaying tons of OG Xbox games, and man I miss the Majescos, old THQs, Midways and such. There are some really fun "AA" games from this era that we really don't see anymore.
@Rawnblade13
6 жыл бұрын
I kinda miss THQ..Luckily, THQ Nordic seems hellbent on reviving their legacy.
@CroneRaven1810
6 жыл бұрын
Raven Brown Darksiders 3, Boi!!!
@cordia96
6 жыл бұрын
We see how this turns out when the dust settles. Darksiders 3 is cool, Elex was a nice complete release, but this is Nordic. They are wearing THQs skin, but before NORDIC published Shovelware crap and releases of Dungeon Lords etc.
@Rawnblade13
6 жыл бұрын
Eh, so far they're doing alright, but you're right, we'll just have to wait and see how Darksiders 3 and others go.
@CroneRaven1810
6 жыл бұрын
crewmate Battle chasers night war was nice as well
@killuminatoV01
6 жыл бұрын
The saboteur on the ps3 is one of my faves. Great game.
@LaurentiuBadea
6 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'm kinda glad in some way that COD doesn't get a single player campaign this year, because I can finally and sincerely can skip it without remorse. I've ended up buying COD games years after release and found myself genuinely enjoying the storyline, the graphics, the gameplay. As I'm not a big multiplayer fan, I think people are really underestimating the stories they put out and I'm pretty sure the devs take that to heart when so much work and obvious passion goes into the making of it. Sure, they're terribly linear and the drama falls flat most of the time, but I can honestly say, and this is disappointing, that the best set pieces I've ever experienced in video games were in COD games, even if they weren't interactive or only qte, I've lived through some of the most memorable scenes in all video gaming. So if there's no story mode, there's really nothing for me in a COD game.
@AscendantStoic
6 жыл бұрын
Nioh is another great mid-tier game (despite it's long time in development hell), you make some really great points here, the PS2 specifically was the golden era of mid-tier games, never again will we ever get an assortment of crazy, experimental and daring games made/published by AAA developers, at the very least the indie market is here, some of the more successful indie devs eventually grow into mid-tier developers.
@trontosaurusrex9532
6 жыл бұрын
TheHunterWolf I agree my Ps2 library is the largest off all my consoles,so many gems on it.
@clovermite
6 жыл бұрын
" some of the more successful indie devs eventually grow into mid-tier developers." Amen. Have you played Battletech yet?
@rcblazer
6 жыл бұрын
I miss the days when there were more genres of games than "Here's a gun. Go shoot other players." that have oversaturated the AAA console market. I played enough Team Fortress 2 to burn myself out on shooting other players with guns. I want to see more cooperative multiplayer games, where you team up with a friend or three to take on the game itself.
@fy8798
6 жыл бұрын
DIvinity: Original Sin 2 is literally that. The game even has mechanics if you and your friends disagree with how you want to progress a quest :) No "go shoot other players", the game is full coop and great fun in coop with multiple people.
@nathanielquiet8636
6 жыл бұрын
Killing Floor 2 does not get enough respect imho...
@rcblazer
6 жыл бұрын
I actually do have Killing Floor 2, and it's a lot of fun!
@GreavesEc
6 жыл бұрын
as i mentioned elsewhere. 2 words: WARHAMMER: THE END TIMES - VERMINTIDE
@cynical8330
6 жыл бұрын
rcblazer Well have you played a lot of the great single player games from the 6th console generation?
@argonautilus9540
6 жыл бұрын
“If the Flintstones have nowhere to live, the game industry suffers.” should be on an ‘inspirational quote tote bag.’
@seraslain962
6 жыл бұрын
How we see (or at least saw) Video Games: An interactive experience that uses its interactivity to tell a convincing and interesting story that requires physical and emotional investment, hence allowing the story to tell itself more effectively. How THEY see Video Games: An interactive live service people pay for like their Electricity or their Water.
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