I've had God harden people's hearts towards me - to move me in a different direction 🙏
@tlizzle8344
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FOR THIS EXPLANATION!!!!!!!!!
@tlizzle8344
2 жыл бұрын
Like really man thank you so much
@georgemoomaw2244
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I am going to add this understanding to my shelf. I believe it was Jeff Cavins who described it as the same sun that melts wax hardens clay. God is always the same. Pharaoh and Moses responded differently. There are many layers and messages for us to receive from the same passages of Sacred Scripture.
@alphabeta8284
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that quote, quite "punchy"
@leelapushpa6450
4 жыл бұрын
Today very clear the message with subtitles. Thank you
@3ggshe11s
6 ай бұрын
God overrode Pharaoh's free will. Pharaoh was ready to let the people go, but God hardened his heart so he wouldn't. That seems to be pretty straightforward. He wanted to ensure an outcome and did what he needed to do to make that happen. He did the same with Sihon the king of Og, and with the northern kings before Joshua attacked.
@Super-chad
4 жыл бұрын
Hyperbolic expressions, hmmm 🤔🤔🤔.... I had no idea of this dimension to consider regarding the authors' use of literary devices... Without contemplation of these elements, the Holy Bible will be subjected to great misinterpretation among evangelical lines!
@josephjackson1956
4 жыл бұрын
And it often is misinterpreted!!! Just look at John 6.
@thoughtsofahumanmerelybein1283
4 жыл бұрын
I've always understood hardening of the heart as a natural psychological event that, because it is certainly not directly or consciously caused by us, it can be accredited rather to God. When, for example, we feel as though we are compelled to be merciless and as though we are unaware of any other options, it can hardly be said that we are choosing to be merciless - rather, we simply act mercilessly because our psychological state is such as we cannot do otherwise. In spiritual terms, this kind of event can be thought of as God is hardening our heart. This does not mean that God controls us like puppets. The hardening of our heart, which can be archetypally thought of as being caused by God, is only the result of previous choices that we made when we were aware of the other options available to us. As Jimmy said, the Pharoah initially chose to harden his own heart, and that put him in a psychological state that disabled him from choosing otherwise in the future. What is the guide for this natural psychological process? God. Thus, God, the creator of all natural processes, hardened Pharoah's heart.
@Super-chad
4 жыл бұрын
It causes me to wonder though, how do the Catholics know this? What studies are conducted to determine that it was actually the approach of the Old Testament writers?
@ericfrom8508
4 жыл бұрын
Our Church is 2,000 years old. Our great leaders have had more than enough to comb through every line of the sacred texts. To more directly answer though various methods are used to interpret scripture. Google the “historical critical method” which is one such way studies use to read the bible. Also note when he mentioned the book of Samuel. Scrupulous comparative studying of the books aid in the search for interpretation. Lastly i’ll say historical knowledge of how ancient people wrote at that reveals a lot.
@charlisdad4460
4 жыл бұрын
You thinking about Catholicism?
@Super-chad
4 жыл бұрын
@@ericfrom8508 I like your answer and it speaks volumes.... The thing is, where I live, it's like back to the days of the Roman Empire, where Catholics have to be hiding in catacombs to preach or defend the Faith... Its difficult here
@Super-chad
4 жыл бұрын
@@charlisdad4460 I am but, I need more fortification
@tjburton9157
4 жыл бұрын
It's funny because other denominations come to attack the catholic church but you will hardly ever see catholics going out of there way to criticize others. Catholic church is by far the most charitable organizations of all time if not the most charitable. So I'm lost why ppl come to Judge and pick apart catholic church.
@dps6198
4 жыл бұрын
Free will. A person hardens his own heart.
@killianmiller6107
4 жыл бұрын
I always though of it like this: when God says he will harden Pharaoh’s heart, he’s saying it in a predictive sense. God actively causes the plagues to occur, and through these tribulations the pharaoh of his own free will will harden his own heart, as any leader of a mighty empire might do in the face of opposition to their pride. God knew Pharaoh would harden his heart as a result of the plagues, and one could therefore say God indirectly hardened Pharaoh’s heart.
@seans5289
4 жыл бұрын
Is it “free will” if the pharaoh’s experience is inseparable from the knowledge and actions of an omniscient and omnipotent being?
@Marontyne
4 жыл бұрын
@@seans5289 Yes. I have 99.99999% foreknowledge that the sun will come up tomorrow morning. That does not mean I caused it to happen. Knowledge of events does not imply causation.
@seans5289
4 жыл бұрын
@@Marontyne: Is god’s knowledge of the future similar to your knowledge of the future then?
@Marontyne
4 жыл бұрын
@@seans5289 Far from it. God is eternal. He transcends time, so He knows past, present, and future as if it were one instant. This is probably a lame comparison, but the best one I can make is the author of a story. He or she can simultaneously hold a character's story arc in his or her mind while writing a particular scene. The difference obviously being that God has perfect knowledge of everything and our timeline is, presumably, forever. So again, lame comparison. :P
@seans5289
4 жыл бұрын
@@Marontyne: Could the Pharaoh have chosen different actions?
@godsarmy8746
3 жыл бұрын
God gives us grace. Grace is a free gift that we don't deserve/earn. Therefore God is allowed to withdraw this gift. God saw Pharaoh had sinned and had wickedness in his heart. Therefore God pulled grace from him and hardened his heart even more. It's as simple as that. God is just to harden our hearts and punish our sin with more sin.
@godsarmy8746
3 жыл бұрын
God withdrawing grace from people is not a "just a hyperbole". It is a reality. We are only faithful because He allows us to be, and He can pull grace from us at any moment, just to test us. This is what God does to Job, who was blameless. God even burdened Our Lord with the cross, a cross He did not deserve, in order to accomplish His greater purpose. Stop watering down these truths with "hyperbole".
@seans5289
4 жыл бұрын
If ancient writers use hyperbole to make a point, should we apply this skepticism to all of the biblical claims that appear to be exaggerated, such as miracles?
@in4n0
4 жыл бұрын
You could but if evidence proves otherwise then you have to drop that hypothesis. e.g.: we know that the resurrection is a fact because of multiple witnesses and accounts and it would be an error to consider those hyperbole. And the Bible is comprised of works over a few *millenia*. So not all ancient writing can be approached with the same interpretive tools.
@seans5289
4 жыл бұрын
in4n0: So, if there weren’t multiple witnesses of the resurrection, would you believe the resurrection to be hyperbole?
@TonyKeeh
4 жыл бұрын
I think the most important thing to note is that the text first says that the Pharoah hardened his OWN heart. And everything else is another way of saying God allowed the hardening of Pharaohs heart for his ultimate plan.
@oso4ua419
4 жыл бұрын
Why does the plan involve plagues? Just soften the Pharoah's heart so Moses could talk to him.
@Marontyne
4 жыл бұрын
@@oso4ua419 Exodus 14:4 tells us "I will so harden Pharaoh’s heart that he will pursue them. Thus I will receive glory through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord."
@oso4ua419
4 жыл бұрын
@@Marontyne Why plagues versus anything else?
@Marontyne
4 жыл бұрын
@@oso4ua419 The text doesn't say. There are critical studies on comparing the specific plagues against specific Egyptian gods. They would say that God is demonstrating that He is the true God by targeting each of them. I don't know about the individual comparisons, but I think it's a pretty consistent theme in the Old Testament. God often uses miracles to show how useless false Gods are. For example, there are many themes of that in the miracles with Elijah against Baal if I remember correctly. Hope that helps!
@shentino
2 жыл бұрын
They hardened their own heart against god. The choice was pharaoh's, not God's
@drew1784
2 жыл бұрын
If it is merely hyperbole, then why does Paul in Romans cite God hardening the Pharaoh's heart in relation to predestination?
@rosserscott4376
3 жыл бұрын
Not all hardening of hearts is God's doing.
@kelseykjarsgaard5774
2 жыл бұрын
He literally says he does it in the bible
@kwahujakquai6726
4 жыл бұрын
Is that how it works?
@oso4ua419
4 жыл бұрын
No. That line of reasoning allows you to pick and choose what God literally acted on and what he just lets his people do. That lets you fit anything to your interpretation.
@TWX27
2 жыл бұрын
Why didn't God just soften pharaoh's heart? Why couldn't he just change pharaoh's mind so he could let the Israelites go I mean, what kind of maniac is this God?
@lanceneubauer1369
4 жыл бұрын
Well he sure does a lengthy job of skirting around the issue. I guess if your catholic you can just superimpose your assumptions into any text and call yourself a scholar.
@tjburton9157
4 жыл бұрын
Why come here to attack? Just love my friend.
@Super-chad
4 жыл бұрын
I think the church should be respected in its capacity to possess the profound knowledge to accurately interpret the Holy Scriptures, as it has been the sole institution that preserved the integrity of the Scriptures for over 2, 000 years
@josephjackson1956
4 жыл бұрын
He explained an example at first, and that did seem to skirt around the issue, but he was setting some grounds at the beginning. He did actually answer the question after he set up the question to answer it in a logical way, that is the way of speech allowed the author to make a point hyperbolically. Did you even watch past the first minute?
@giovannimartini6405
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not a Bible scholar, but you may want to do some research before assuming fundamentalism is the only right (and Protestant) way to approach the Bible.
@lanceneubauer1369
4 жыл бұрын
@@giovannimartini6405 to assume I'm a fundamentalist is wrong. The fact of the matter is it is a well built in doctrine in the OT that God is sovereignly in control. This is especially the case in a book like Esther, where God's name is never mentioned and yet God's ability to direct the entire scene is present at every turn. So, we can see here God is in fact hardening peoples hearts in a literal sense in these texts. If it was a figure of speech as Jimmy says, there would be no way to prove that other than make wild assumptions, like he did there.
@bemusedatheist5706
4 жыл бұрын
Simple answer, it's just myth.
@in4n0
4 жыл бұрын
And how did you arrive at this simple conclusion?
@bemusedatheist5706
4 жыл бұрын
@@in4n0 Evidence
@Sprachitektur
4 жыл бұрын
@@bemusedatheist5706 bruh fedora tipper
@mahlatsimoroka1500
4 жыл бұрын
@@bemusedatheist5706 and what is your evidence
@bemusedatheist5706
4 жыл бұрын
@@mahlatsimoroka1500 Where's your evidence that it isn't a myth? Christianity is the one making the extraordinary claims.
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