“Keep the load close to your face” -Dr. Michael Israetel
@KorotDevet
3 ай бұрын
Don’t hate on dr mike
@thibaultdelandsheer9109
Ай бұрын
It is clearly all love, intimate love
@hamburger512
22 күн бұрын
Can we get some yard signs printed out?
@JackgarPrime
Жыл бұрын
I do OHP because it gives me joy to do so. It makes me feel like an old-timey strongman, like I have a glorious mustache, wearing a caveman-looking singlet while going "HUP! HO!" with each rep.
@parttimehuman
8 ай бұрын
lol Has to be a bar with those heavy spheres on the ends.
@justpoints
7 ай бұрын
Why do we have the same life
@IamLordGriffith
7 ай бұрын
Real
@eltonwild5648
7 ай бұрын
Same reason brother. It's beautiful
@bernardoguerrero9368
6 ай бұрын
My 185 press gave me more joy than my 315 bench
@isaiahyouknowme_3597
Жыл бұрын
I’ve used the pre-fatigue method by doing intense sets of lateral raises and then moving onto shoulder press. It’s insane the difference. It turns an upper chest-front delt strength excecise into some of the best side delt hypertrophy I’ve ever had. Thanks Dr. Mike
@RenaissancePeriodization
Жыл бұрын
Excellent idea! - Dr. Mike
@JZ-xu3vg
Жыл бұрын
@@RenaissancePeriodization he meant to say ''duh''
@AlexS_983
Жыл бұрын
I saw RP do this in a training video with dumbbell upright rows. It's a genuinely crazy feeling having your side delts give out first on a shoulder press
@deedsofdecapitation7477
Жыл бұрын
I hope you're talking about actual hypertrophy results, and not just getting a better pump.
@johnspartan5631
Жыл бұрын
@isaiahyouknowme_3597 that is a beautiful routine, love the burn from pre-exhaust
@vermithor51ac
Жыл бұрын
Dr Mike with hair looked like Mr. Incredible
@mcfarvo
Жыл бұрын
With the cake of Elastigirl
@collinschirmbeck2008
Жыл бұрын
He’s a beautiful sob! Lol please train me! 😅 have a kick ass day everyone.
@rogue9974
Жыл бұрын
Baller comment
@pedroivosilvabatista1083
Жыл бұрын
Dr.* Incredible
@drsev61
Жыл бұрын
It took me a minute to remember who you were talking about. You're right though! It's pretty funny.
@jasoncassios7114
Жыл бұрын
"No nonsense strength" is EXACTLY why I do them. 💪 (awesome vid as always, Doc)
@ulfg4692
Жыл бұрын
Exactly.. who gives a damn about muscle size.. Strength is the ultimate test...
@vs1146
Жыл бұрын
Same. I just enjoy the fact that it requires strength. It's the same reason I do deadlifts and squats.
@BGeezy4sheezy
Жыл бұрын
Overhead press is the exercise that gives me the most caveman satisfaction: lift heavy object overhead and feel total dominance over the world of objects and men
@ForzaOwnz
Жыл бұрын
@@ulfg4692 Well considering you're on a body building channel yeah I think a few of us care about muscle size haha
@PhiyackYuh
Жыл бұрын
@@ulfg4692welp. You have those pussy arse bish that wants the mirror muscles but cant even lift heavy or weak arse puzzy 😂
@waisetsubunsho7934
Жыл бұрын
"I wonder what OHP are doing right now" is comedy gold 😂
@Patricksur
9 ай бұрын
Getting a V shred ad before an video by Dr. Mike is hilarious, never hit the skip button so fast
@ericwillingham6956
7 ай бұрын
Lmao right
@Inventor1488
6 ай бұрын
@@ericwillingham6956the ads are not bad ngl. Like is entertaining
@ShirakoriMio
3 ай бұрын
Imagine getting ads L
@Phil-LiketheGroundhog
2 ай бұрын
“THIS is a metabolism KILLER”
@redrocket597
Ай бұрын
That man is a villain
@NisimDoesPowerliftingFitness
Жыл бұрын
I can honestly say that OHP is more important for me than Bench Press, simply because I need the stability and ability of the entire body (lower body, lower back, upper back) to support the weight. I do it for feeling strong, but I do agree that there are other exercises that can build the delts way better.
@danielmillward9947
9 ай бұрын
Incline dumbell seems to work better
@Sebo994
9 ай бұрын
@@danielmillward9947that’s a chest exercise
@Inventor1488
6 ай бұрын
@@danielmillward9947true 🎉
@comingverysoon
Жыл бұрын
Great video that I completely agree with but I have a different antidote: Seated DB OH presses! 1 The SFR ratio is fantastic, to the point they are not just good, but GREAT for front delts. You end up with very little full-body fatigue that affects other lifts. 2 Since your head is not in the way forcing the weight to the frontwards, you can involve the side delts far more than with a BB. This is huge. The grip is also more natural since you can rotate your wrist angle to ~45 degrees. I'm not hear to start another DB vs. BB flame war, but specifically for OH pressing, DBs win hands down over BBs. Seated also clearly beats standing in this case.
@shaksta4
7 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree with you on the pros of seated db OH press however Dr mike's reasoning for not liking seated OHP is that it doesn't feel manly enough. And to that point I'd agree, doing them standing up with a barbell would feel more manly and 'ego boosting' for lack of a better term. For muscle growth DB seated OHP all the way. For ego boost, do em standing with a barbell
@joesantus1663
6 ай бұрын
Agreed. I'm age 68, been no-PED, non-competitive bodybuilding for over fifty-two years since beginning at age fifteen in 1971. About 80% of my workouts through the decades have been done in my home gyms; my first gym was in the basement of the house in which I grew up. The ceiling was so low that to do standing OHP I had to carefully aim between the exposed floor joists. After a couple years of that, to avoid the joist challenge, I switched to seated dumbell OHPs. I used a flat bench (not a vertical back-support bench). I'd stand at the end of the bench, grab the dumbbells off the floor, clean them to my shoulders while sitting down near the end of the bench, so I ended up seated on and straddling it; then used a pronated hand position to press them. (I exchanged the "manliness" of pressing a barbell off the racks for the manliness of cleaning heavy dumbbells from the floor to a seated position, lol) My genetic leverages are such that I discovered I feel the stress from OH dumbbell presses, whether seated or standing, in my lateral delt heads even using low reps in the 5 to 7 reps-per-set range. Recognizing they worked my side delts better than barbell OHP, I switched to OH dumbbell pressing almost exclusively from that point, whether in commercial gyms or even after I began training in my present home gym which has plenty of space to perform overhead barbell presses. In my early 50's, I incurred severe injuries doing my builder/roofer contracting job to both rotator cuffs. For various reasons, I could not properly treat nor have them repaired then, so endured them for several years, creating permanent debilitation and significant weakening in both shoulders. Consequently, I eventually could no longer use a barbell for any presses, whether overhead, incline, or flat. A barbell hand position and motion place the stress on my front delts, causing acutely debilitating pain and resultant inflammation. However, I could and can still do OH dumbbell presses. Using dumbbells shifts the stress to my lateral delt heads, allowing me to perform them as long as I maintain strict control of the motion as well as limit frequency and weekly volume of the exercise.
@watch3r1
6 ай бұрын
@@joesantus1663 Respect.
@joesantus1663
5 ай бұрын
@@watch3r1 Thanks!
@universalnetwork264
3 ай бұрын
Standing is definitely better as a whole body strength building exercise but maybe not for isolating delts as much as seated. Barbell is better for building overall strength just like any other barbell exercise but dumbbells are better at actually working the intended muscle and its stabilizers just like any other dumbbell exercise. They both have their uses and should ideally both be trained. Barbell for strength, dumbbell for hypertrophy. They both are good for strength and hypertrophy, just one is better than the other and vice versa. I have a pretty big chest and huge delts compared to the rest of my body despite only training with barbells for 3 years (with the occasional dummbell exercise). If your progression plateaus either with barbell or dummbell it is always a wise idea to switch to the other for most of your sets while still working the lagging lift on 1 or 2 sets.
@Vsevolod3788
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Mike, your OHP lifts from back in the day is the most impressive and inspiring thing I've seen on the Internet lifting wise. You're the part of a reason I love this lift so much, apart from other greats like Golovinsky, Alexeev. I still think it's a good shoulder builder especially for beginners if you do it properly, pushing your head through the window, not benching incline standing like most of the folks in the gym do. When I do high rep ohps my side delts are the first to give up because I can't lock it out feeling side delts cramping.
@NoMirr0r
Жыл бұрын
Dude seriously. He was repping that shit like it was nothing. I weigh 168 and pressed 185 (finally) the other day and was so happy. I can’t imagine going 30 pounds over my body weight lol
@Vsevolod3788
Жыл бұрын
@@NoMirr0r You have to take into account roids and great genetics for pressing as Dr. Mike himself said but nonetheless it's a great achievement. We, lightweight natties, can only dream about that. :D OHP is the most stubborn lift progress wise and beyond certain point it's nearly impossible to improve without gaining a bunch of weight.
@NoMirr0r
Жыл бұрын
@@Vsevolod3788 for sure. Lol my lifetime goal is 225 for 1.
@dknf4036
11 ай бұрын
actually insane, my mouth was wide open watching that
@karlovisttimes8271
6 ай бұрын
@@Vsevolod3788 i thought he was natty in that vid?
@Yupppi
Жыл бұрын
I just know that for some reason OHP is really heavy and exhausting and you just suddenly get stunned by not being able to press any longer even though it felt pretty decent last rep. It's a really good exercise to support your overhead position though. And for me it improved my upper back motorics and my scapulae started working better. So maybe use it for sport needs, not hypertrophy needs.
@JohnDoe-bx1bw
Жыл бұрын
Even without pre fatigue I fell it much more in my side delts than in front ones. Love the movements, makes you feel badass
@clarity2115
8 ай бұрын
My side delts also react great to OHP
@city_of_coompton6832
4 ай бұрын
I do overhead press with kettlebells I feel it mostly in my front delts. Not much in the side delts.
@BluegillGreg
Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid the Clean and Press was THE lift. It was still in the Olympics. Racks were uncommon, so everything started from the floor. Snatch and Jerk were beyond us, but everyone managed to learn a decent press. And we HAD to clean and reverse clean to get the cast iron plates up from and back down onto the concrete floor. I started doing it with my Brother and my Dad in about 1971. I love this lift. It really is manly. I can see doing it less often and trying laterals & upright rows then seated OHP for 2/3 of the delt training. I already sat down to do seated pin presses because the rack's upper crossmembers are too low to allow a full rep. I survived. My pride was injured even by myself in the home gym, though. Mike, I feel your pain. But I'll try this pre-exhaust seated stuff. I can see where reducing the standing OHP volume while raising the total delt volume with less fatigue could actually help progress the standing OHP. Thank you for the deeper knowledge on something I've been putting real effort into for so long.
@willnotwill7167
3 ай бұрын
I've spent the last couple weeks learning cleans and start picking more things up off the floor. I figured why not and a new technique to learn. Very fortunate to have a great powerlifting gym here that supports this kind of thing. Some of the commercial gyms I've been to I don't think this would be well received. I've been having a lot of fun with it.
@RakanXYZ
Жыл бұрын
despite not being a 'body builder' per se, i still love watching your videos and transferring this knowledge to my calisthenics training. I generally train overhead press to help me progress towards a wall hand stand pushup.
@lanebertholet5479
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely this. I try and alternate OHP and hand stand push ups on push days and it helps strength gains for sure
@gankt
Жыл бұрын
not listening to his leg training advice, I bet.
@SanderHeieren
Жыл бұрын
100% man! I do them solely because of that. Wonder what Dr. Mike thinks about this
@Flyhighman77
Жыл бұрын
@@gankttry do single leg squat 10 reps and then you can have a say on what we do 😉
@gankt
Жыл бұрын
@@Flyhighman77 why would I stop at 10? I can do more than that because I lift weights. As predicted, bad advice from a calisthenics "athlete"
@youokaybuddyfitness
Жыл бұрын
I used to push press heavy like over 2 plates per side. Loved the feeling and my front Delt did blow up but not worth the neck nerve pain. I do overhead on a nice machine last after side and rear with zero issues. Dr Mike as usual right on the money.
@Rakimjoseph
Жыл бұрын
Thought i was the only one that got that stiff neck while doing them. It does not happen every time, but once on awhile and its annoying
@youokaybuddyfitness
Жыл бұрын
@@Rakimjoseph I used to get the exact same. Not after every sessions of course (that would be torture) but like every few months my neck would just be locked in nerve pain. I don't think I am built for the movement anyway with my long arms.
@barryallen767
Жыл бұрын
What could be the reason behind ur neck nerve pain? Like what happened during OHP
@Rakimjoseph
Жыл бұрын
@youokaybuddyfitness lol i feel you i don't think its your long arms, i think when you get to those challenging reps, we like stiffen up trying to get it up and sometimes that effects our neck
@Rakimjoseph
Жыл бұрын
@@barryallen767 i think its what i just replied
@michaelcozzitortoiii5350
Жыл бұрын
I love the OHP. My shoulders are one of my best body parts and I give a lot of credit to the OHP, even my side delts. I do a lot of laterals and upright rows but I will continue to program OHP every other meso or so
@hihi9674
Жыл бұрын
I think everyone's body is different. I did side lateral raises for years and never got any growth out of them. Years later I switched to overhead presses instead and my side delts really grew!!! All i do now for delts is overhead presses and rear delt work and my shoulders are one of my best bodyparts.
@chilldoc9638
10 ай бұрын
You have to have been doing lateral raises wrong
@Isaiah-ft5nx
7 ай бұрын
I never got side delt growth from presses or lateral raises, but when I finally tried upright rows they exploded.
@tridentfx2443
5 ай бұрын
@@chilldoc9638 Yup either that or not progressively overloading. Its impossible to do laterals raises and work up to 35 lbs or 40 lbs dumbells and have no growth
@tonemoreno763
2 ай бұрын
👍
@roadstar499
28 күн бұрын
Not so much the lateral raises,i think you just did them crappy and never got a good muscle mind connection...you also may have overtrained them...but yes we all are different,so its best to do what works for you...
@aboveaveragedadgaming1258
Жыл бұрын
I love the standing overhead press. Love it. Will keep doing it. However, prior to overhead pressing, I will hit the side delts and rear delts first! Thank you Dr. Mike! Ps Im down 35lbs (220 now 185) utalizing Dr Mikes weightloss lectures. Its a game changer.
@m_js5709
Жыл бұрын
"I'll pat myself on the back... If I could reach it" is the most hilarious flex ever. But shit Mike ain't lying either.
@ekie7473
Ай бұрын
Not a flex buddy
@sammyttheg412
6 ай бұрын
Being 5'5 and 240lbs is ridiculous
@franciscojavierortegamarti7175
4 ай бұрын
It makes more sense to train overhead press when you are this short for real world strength, cause the likelihood of stuff that you need to move to me over your head skyrockets. Speaking from experience.
@krystofodehnal9448
17 күн бұрын
Then check out Lee Priest at 5'4 and 270lbs in his offseason posing video
@adamw9248
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Mike's love story arc with overhead presses is not something I knew I was missing, but now I really hope they get back together so we can all have some closure.
@justinw1765
Жыл бұрын
They are twin souls who were torn apart by toxic masculinity, but will someday be reunited by true Love.
@adamw9248
Жыл бұрын
@@justinw1765 he clearly has an OHP-shaped hole in his heart. I really hope he gets his hole filled fast.
@justinw1765
Жыл бұрын
@@adamw9248 I believe Phil Collins wrote Mike a song about this--hopefully someday, he will truly listen to, and not just hear, the song.
@SirEpsilonn
Жыл бұрын
I love the OHP.They're one of the best movements you can do to help you with all kinds of IRL challenges. Even if they're not ideal for delt hypertrophy I feel like this exercise is too good to change for something else.
@j.r.8176
Жыл бұрын
Name one irl challenge the OHP helps with. The "functional training" myth needs to die.
@user-he4ef9br7z
Жыл бұрын
@@j.r.8176Launching and catching goth gf.
@SirEpsilonn
Жыл бұрын
Lol I can name you more than one In our shared parking lot for our bikes , there is little to no space. The empty parking spaces are all the way at the back and for me to get my bike there , I need to lift it over my head over all the other bikes before putting it down. Overhead pressing has made that easy. I've also worked in landscaping. having strong shoulders helps loads when you need to trim tall hedges while carrying a heavy machine. Now I work as an orderpicker and sometimes you need to grab heavy boxes from the top shelf and again , strong shoulders help with that. And there's many many more movements strong shoulders help with IRL. Even basic things you wouldn't think about like breaking annoying pieces of plastic etc I imagine if you don't work a physical job functional training isn't as useful for you , but still , you never know when your strength might come in handy.
@TheThugNasty
Жыл бұрын
@@j.r.8176 just so we are clear.. Jr: 0 Dante: 1
@hookoffthejab1
Жыл бұрын
@@j.r.8176 pretty much doing anything overhead if you have a physical job.
@espenstoro
Жыл бұрын
OHP (in all its forms, which includes push press and jerk) is a strength thing for me, just like deadlifts. I certainly don't deadlift to failure, or to get a pump. The hypertrophy happens with dumbbells and cables mostly. Small weights and painful sets.
@RassionellMaddman
9 ай бұрын
you can do both deadlift and OHP with dumbells, you can even OHP by tactically angled cables.
@Greyskull3000
Жыл бұрын
I'm still going to overhead press for delts. Don't tell me what to do.
@dallysinghson5569
Жыл бұрын
Hes not saying to avoid them you gormless pillock xd
@hd-yo4zs
Жыл бұрын
He didn’t say don’t do them, he said there’s better options depending on your goals and how they affect your training.
@TheRaju991
Жыл бұрын
@@hd-yo4zsyou missed the joke bro.
@antedivic9214
5 ай бұрын
Tell him daddy
@Cheesiemccatbutt
5 ай бұрын
Hahahahahahaha!
@LiberatedMind1
Жыл бұрын
My side shoulders are good and sore the next day after over head pressing, no lateral raises. I've grown them substantially primarily with this exercise. You can actually feel the contraction on your side delts, especially if you put your hand over this area and do the motion.
@paulread7113
Жыл бұрын
Do you have any tips to emphasise the side delts? Ie does having a wider grip help?
@LiberatedMind1
Жыл бұрын
@@paulread7113 Upper arms out to the sides gives you more lateral adduction. My arms are roughly 30 degrees inwards, measuring from my shoulders. Also make sure you are pressing close to your face and directly overhead. The bar should be so close that you have to move your head out the way.
@paulread7113
Жыл бұрын
@@LiberatedMind1 Thanks for the tips, I'll apply them!
@alexk3352
8 ай бұрын
@@LiberatedMind1 I think you mean "adduction".
@LiberatedMind1
8 ай бұрын
@@alexk3352 Yes, thank you.
@zcvhzd
Жыл бұрын
damn that ohp video is nuts! very cool
@nahyoulyin
5 ай бұрын
specifically the behind the neck press absolutely blew my delts and traps up like crazy
@discreetman593
Күн бұрын
yeah behind the back, really blows them up. behind the back ones seems to be lost to most.
@MrPtrlix
Жыл бұрын
Main reason I do OHP and push-press is those are the two movements where I actually feel athletic.
@WiseMistake
Жыл бұрын
Surprised behind the neck wasnt mentioned. Avoided it for so long due to the fitness community saying how bad it was for your shoulders just like upright rows, but i gave them a go and my shoulders are fine and i think they are helping my side delts grow
@ribthiefz8283
Жыл бұрын
Im going to be pedantic and ask why you think he should talk about the exercise, if you can't even figure out if it's helped you or not after doing them?
@MrSuperPsymon
Жыл бұрын
Doing behind the neck stuff is fine. Just warm up the rotator cuffs first and have them be one of a few ohp options to avoid overuse injury.
@4FrogsStacked
Жыл бұрын
I had awesome side delt hypertrophy and mobility gains from smith machine behind the neck press
@llucaristondoalzina2061
Жыл бұрын
I found the same for me, side delts definetely grow from it for me way more than any other variation
@GluteMaxer
Жыл бұрын
This. I feel jack with normal OHP, but something like seated BNP in the smith machine? Oh boy, delts on fire!
@joelkuhn373
Ай бұрын
What he said is true to some extent. OHP does primarily target front delt, but this only happens if you have a 45 degree elbow flare. One crucial point he missed though is that if your elbows are flared out to the sides of your body, the side delt stimulus is actually similar to that of a lateral raise. Extra tip: Use the seated shoulder Press Variant and use a 70-75 degree bench angle. If you’re on a machine, use the handles that make your elbows flare out closer to the sides of your body.
@johntitor2058
Жыл бұрын
Glad you finally addressed this. Alex Leonidas said in one of his vids that the OHP is his go-to for training his side delts but I always doubted that.
@sw-gz9ps
Жыл бұрын
that was an old vid. He's been doing much more lateral raises recently.
@AnthonySmith-x5z
Ай бұрын
It's one of the most feel good exercises in the entire gym.
@5milemacc737
Жыл бұрын
I always use dumbbells instead of barbells for overhead pressing. I’m not sure what is actually more effective but I like the freedom and versatility of the dumbbells vs the barbell.
@alejandrovillavicencio7
9 ай бұрын
with barbell u can add weight progressively, weight jump on dumbbells is too high and this exercise can be very weighted due to compound movement
@5milemacc737
9 ай бұрын
@@alejandrovillavicencio7 haha yea now after 3 months of gaining strength I’m seeing why dumbbells can get unwieldy for pressing at heavier weights
@maxk880
7 ай бұрын
Dumbbell is better movement but less loadable
@jonathanbenoza8136
Ай бұрын
Lift off of dumbells make me not want it
@michaelquizon2578
7 ай бұрын
The comedy is as good as the training advice. bravo! grazie from Italia.
@smirbelbirbel
Жыл бұрын
These are the videos where I appreciate only kind-of caring about hypertrophy and being a geeky gen-pop-member that just likes to burrow into their hobbies intellectually. So much I learn and implement into my own training and nutrition! I appreciate what you put out for free to no end. And now I will make the informed decision to go on a hot date with OHP at the cost of my side delt growth. 🥰
@markambrose66
Жыл бұрын
I think OHP is really one of those exercises where people have to remove their ego and perfect their form if they want to benefit from it, and especially in terms of the axial loading you have to lesrn how to brace your core properly! This will also allow you to produce more stimulus to the targeted muscles
@Mack9077
Жыл бұрын
That’s why most people don’t touch em, I’m literally the only person I’ve seen at my gym in the past 5 years that does them with heavy weight. Most I’ve seen someone else do was 135 lol
@Ronnock
Жыл бұрын
@@Mack9077which, overall for most men, is still nothing to sneer nor sneeze at.
@patrik6933
Жыл бұрын
You sound like one of those MFers who will tell me I'm doing the OHP incorrectly because I lean back too much
@chilldoc9638
10 ай бұрын
@@patrik6933yep
@marken816
9 ай бұрын
@@patrik6933 as long as you're standing still and the weight goes up from your chest level to straight hands, you're doing it right
@colinwiseman
Жыл бұрын
Before I started doing the overhead press, I always had shoulder issues. Never had a shoulder issue since. Love it!
@ourclarioncall
8 ай бұрын
Did you have shoulder issues before lifting weights ? Or after starting bench press? Assuming you do bench press
@colinwiseman
8 ай бұрын
@@ourclarioncall my shoulder issues came from sitting at a computer for 40 years 😭
@ourclarioncall
8 ай бұрын
@@colinwiseman ouch
@colinwiseman
8 ай бұрын
@@ourclarioncall hahah don't worry. I got a good job because of time well spent 😜🤘 (see you name, there are days now I wish I had used that computer time to learn guitar instead...but no...my little Fender Squire Bullet sits staring at me every day crying to be played 🤣)
@ourclarioncall
8 ай бұрын
@@colinwiseman I love squires, great guitars . Adults can learn very quickly. If they Do what i tell them 😄
@azulsimmons1040
Жыл бұрын
That 275 x 8 was back when Mike could pick up and throw a 275 man or hold him in the air while choking him with just his hands. He misses those days. Those were the days when Mike was brutally strong.
@TheAdventuresofJustinandJonas
Жыл бұрын
4:54 oh yeah
@Liquid3103
Жыл бұрын
I used to be best friends with overhead presses. We still never talk sometimes.
@danm4874
Жыл бұрын
Pinched my C6 nerve somewhere in my back doing the OHP. Took a year to fully recover. Wasn’t lifting that heavy, not sure what went wrong but I think it was neck tension. Dr. Mike, I had asked you if you’d ever heard about anyone doing this, would love to hear your thoughts. Thinking it was a winged scapula thing or some shiz. Anyway, I still find it an incredibly awkward movement considering the fact that your head is in the way of the movement. Would love to hear your thoughts! Paid member here BTW. 😊
@timleboutillier
Жыл бұрын
I had a similar nerve experience 5 years ago on barbell ohp, which has turned into a chronic thing that gets reinjured every 6-12 months sort of randomly. However, lighter dumbbell ohp after 5-7 sets of myo rep match dumbbell laterals has been excellent with no pain.
@capy069
Жыл бұрын
I'll take the stability and safety benefits of DB OHP over BB OHP anyday
@youokaybuddyfitness
Жыл бұрын
Used to get the same exact neck nerve ping when doing standing overhead pressing
@youokaybuddyfitness
Жыл бұрын
Follow Dr Mike advice and do overhead last after side and rear. Do it on a nice comfy seated machine with good leverage. No issue since then
@sankalpverma618
Жыл бұрын
Do behind the neck press for No head in the way
@Ulrna
Жыл бұрын
I did military press (overhead press) 2 workouts a week for a year and it worked for me.
@gunsandcommissions
Жыл бұрын
For the algo and off the charts knowledge sharing generosity.
@RedfishCarolina
Жыл бұрын
I've been doing seated behind the neck press at least once a month. I have decent flexibility so it never hurts. I find that fatiguing side delts first helps continue getting stimulus on the side delts.
@ianonufer6988
Жыл бұрын
Behind the neck isn't accessible for everyone. I agree it changes everything. I can no longer do them well.
@RedfishCarolina
Жыл бұрын
@@ianonufer6988 Yeah you definitely have to be careful with them. As long as I can do them safely, I'll do them. Not really for everyone.
@jadoonharis
Жыл бұрын
Timely video. I train at home. This is one exercise I haven't progressed in 2 months
@consoommediaandlie8614
Жыл бұрын
For me, it’s the BTN press for side delts. Nothing gives me side delt pumps and doms (yes, every time) like it. I think an under appreciated aspect of compound exercises is the fact that different muscles are worked at different ranges of motion. The shoulders get a lot of assistance from the triceps and traps at the top, but at the bottom, they get that juicy stretch stimulus all to them selves 😋.
@jacobhate
Жыл бұрын
what does the emg data say? i'm curious
@unbabunga229
Жыл бұрын
@@jacobhateEMG data is near meaningless
@nomongosinthaworld
Жыл бұрын
As the above dude said, it isn’t a good indicator for hypertrophy at all BUT it actually showed the most activation of side and rear delt among all OHP variation
@mwphil
Жыл бұрын
totally with you on the BTN presses! I go really light and the activation for me on side delts is GREAT!
@tigertaylor1327
Жыл бұрын
What's a BTM press
@ribthiefz8283
Жыл бұрын
OHP, Lat raises & facepulls really elevated my shoulder game.
@Wchen21
Жыл бұрын
This is spot on! I do all my overhead pressing behind the neck with a slightly wide grip. Feels great on my shoulders, better than standard ohp actually, and it's more side delts and less tris. I do some powell raises afterwards for rear and side delts. My shoulders have been growing great!
@dansmith9724
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you on the behind the neck press, it hits the side delt very well. Side delts really get hammered if you pre exhaust them with Laterals before doing BNPRs too👍 I remember probably about 25yrs ago when many training articles came out mentioning behind the neck presses were bad for your shoulder health and many people stopped doing them. I can't recall many people at all mentioning injuring their shoulders on the BNPr specifically but I recall a few guys that stopped doing them because of the lack of flexibility but I think many were over doing all pressing movements like flat/incline benches etc and weren't balancing their routines out with an equal amount of pulling exercises as well as doing any shoulder flexibility work.
@curedham2963
8 ай бұрын
Yea i go pretty wide as well, i have long arms so if im to close with my grip im just hitting triceps.
@danbenz6362
Ай бұрын
Standing dumbbell overhead press is the only thing that seems to build my shoulders 🤷♂️
@William1683BT
Ай бұрын
My shoulders didn’t start to gain any real size until I added in vertical pressing. Before I was doing only lateral raises now I do vertical pressing and lateral raises.
@janoycresva276
Жыл бұрын
The Overhead Press also works the upper pectorals, traps, triceps & core, requires you to lift the weight through a longer range of motion than the Benchpress all while using a lighter weight so it’s easier to recover from & builds more strength because a guy who can overhead press 400 lbs can almost always bench 400 but a guy who benches 400 almost certainly can’t overhead press 400. Not to mention there’s no risk of getting pinned when fatigued nor any risk of shoulder impingement unlike with the Benchpress.
@lm13eddfs
Жыл бұрын
How many people can ohp 400 tho? And how many of them are natural? Also the bench trains literlly every muscle you meantioned and shoulder impingement doesn't exist
@iangraham-white5717
Жыл бұрын
You are not going to be able to OHP 400 lbs without either 1 in a billion genetics plus 10 years of bloatmaxxing or anabolic steroids
@janoycresva276
Жыл бұрын
@@lm13eddfs Who cares if they’re natural or not? It’s irrelevant because they’d be massively big & strong without gear anyway. Shoulder impingement DOES exist & that was literally my point, that the overhead press trains all those muscles BETTER than the Benchpress ever could & that the overhead press is a safer exercise. Read my comment again dude.
@lm13eddfs
Жыл бұрын
@@janoycresva276 I'm saying that no shit 405 presser can bench 405, because it's so much harder that it can't be achieved naturally while there are thousands of naturals who can bench 405. And no it doesn't: kzitem.info/news/bejne/22-XmYaNs3mJY6Qsi=fi_L1t3qpYK0rxd- For the triceps it's arguable if it's superior because it depends on your grip, and same with upper chest
@iangraham-white5717
Жыл бұрын
@@janoycresva276 Do you know how long it takes to add 5 lbs to any vertical press? Don't say 5 lbs per workout
@umpalumpia723
Жыл бұрын
Could you please do a video on muscle growth/loss for people who train over 40? What are some realistic expectations for those who JUST started weightlifting after 40. What kind of muscle growth to expect. And what kind of muscle loss can one expect as they get over 40. And what are some ways to prevent or slow down muscle loss after 40 (or even still build muscle, if possible)
@bikibalami4829
5 ай бұрын
When your therapist sees yours shoulders getting bigger.
@bad444
4 ай бұрын
😂😂
@Jinchuricki27
Жыл бұрын
That range of motion on Dr Mike's overhead press was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen.
@martla444
Жыл бұрын
Zydrunas Savickas is a well knonw athlete here in Lithuania. He comes from Birzai, a small town in the north of the country. Thank you for your incredible content.
@philmcrackinnow
4 ай бұрын
That’s why you use a neutral grip. It hits the side delts more.
@user-xz1wy4to4o
9 ай бұрын
0:00: 🏋️ Dr. Mike Israel discusses the benefits of the overhead press and his personal experience with it. 2:10: 🏋️ The overhead press is not the most effective exercise for overall deltoid hypertrophy and may not adequately target the side and rear delts. 4:21: 🏋️ The video discusses how to optimize training for the overhead press and improve shoulder stimulus to fatigue ratio. 5:48: 🏋️ The video discusses the effectiveness of overhead pressing and the importance of considering the stimulus to fatigue ratio for side delts. 7:32: 💪 The speaker discusses the trade-off between traditional 'manly' exercises and efficient strength and hypertrophy training. Recap by Tammy AI
@Felipe-fn7fp
Ай бұрын
Good ai
@thezanjaguitar
Жыл бұрын
I hope you and OHP will finally meet one another, perhaps for a coffee, just talking about the good old days. Thanks for the video!
@petergause1760
Жыл бұрын
As someone with shoulder blade and shoulder issues, I've found the Z press with a focus on actually moving the shoulder blades to be really helpful. It's super specific to me, but it's helped with mobility and my serratus gets a good workout
@MafuHardy
10 ай бұрын
As a climber, I 100% agree. OHP is the exercise I need.
@riccardodiluca6862
Жыл бұрын
Been training for 15 years and never done it although I have relatively good shoulders which are only product of lateral raises and rear delt work (seems nonsense to isolate the front portion if you have lots of presses already)
@proudmisfit4405
Жыл бұрын
Raises paired with rotator cuff work honestly make the shoulders healthy all around
@riccardodiluca6862
Жыл бұрын
@@proudmisfit4405 exactly. thats what I do!
@burtgayleard4983
9 ай бұрын
Thanks Dr. Mike. You've been a great help and are appreciated Happy Holidays
@SilverSlugs16
Жыл бұрын
Never been near Mikes strength for it but I did get pretty decent at them, current best is 225 x 1 beltless. Right now behind the neck standing is doing wonders, feels like money on my joints, hits my delts, triceps and traps harder than anything and is very easy on my back / lower body. Part because there’s 0 leaning back to get it overhead. Loving it and hope I don’t have to give it up anytime soon lol
@JerommeLeBanner
Жыл бұрын
I learned this from you Mike, and decided to cycle it, first meso in years without OHP.
@Bullseye_Strength
Жыл бұрын
High Inclines > Overhead Presses for front delts IMO.
@kakkakontent
Жыл бұрын
Todays Mike looks better than younger Mike. Good job Mike!
@Aatell764
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting I feel like I kind of knew that. My shoulders are well developed from my routine, the OHP for me was always a strength move. I'm surprised powerlifting doesn't include OHP because the ability to press something heavy overhead is pretty much the Hallmark of a strong man when I imagine one in my head. You know a giant barbarian of a man throwing a boulder or perhaps picking up another barbarian man and throwing him onto a coffee table.
@liamsludge2659
Жыл бұрын
OHP used to be in the Olympics till athletes bent(HA) the rules to the point where it turned into more of a standing bench press. I'm sure with some of the ridiculousness of modern powerlifting it would quickly devolve in a similar direction.
@Aatell764
Жыл бұрын
@@liamsludge2659 It'd absolutely turn into that exact same thing hahaha
@Schacal6666
Жыл бұрын
1:20 Dr. Mike just called me real strong :) Shoulder is just the most fun muscle group to train. The pain and fatigue is not comparable to any other muscle group
@mazmazmazmazmazmaz
Жыл бұрын
For the last few years, I've counted OHP as a back exercise. It really fries your upper back and traps, when you focus on pushing with your upper back. I find it really valuable, since I can't really think of any other back exercises that aren't pulling motion
@ROSSNEWHAM
Жыл бұрын
Machine pullovers I class as push for back.
@ourclarioncall
10 ай бұрын
Matt Wenning says bench press is a back exercise not a chest exercise Takes a minute to get your head around it but with some thought and experience it makes a bit of sense I can know engage my lats to work along with my triceps There’s a cue given by a woman powerlifting to “throw and push “ Throw the lats forward and then push with the arms It’s a hard one to understand I think Perhaps think of throwing a baseball . Imagine standing with back against a wall not allowed to move . Lats must stay connected to the wall , but you can throw the ball with your arm . Push-ups or bench press can be like this where it’s all arm (with some shoulder /chest) But if you’re allowed to use your back and let it come off the wall then the lats can tighten up and push forward giving stability and momentum . A good thing to try is barbell floor press on a hard floor . I find the hard floor gives you really good feedback on what is happening in your back . I think about getting shoulders back and down to get some stability and tightness, but the lats still might not really be engaged yet After everything is down and back and tight , I then try to flex my lats and drive my elbows into my sides before I press the bar up Warning up the lats with lat pull-down and triceps with press down helps warm up and wake up these muscles to help out more in the lift I think it can be hard for beginners to feel their lats . Maybe they are under developed and have a poor or non existent mind muscle connection . My son struggled with this but I think is starting to to get it /feel it
@jeremyscogin6887
3 ай бұрын
Its all about seated OHP. Mike is spot on re: standing, tired out the rest your body. Seated isolates the muscle. More isolation more growth. Depends on your goals though.
@roadstar499
28 күн бұрын
For years my first shoulder movement was seated behind the neck presses...never got injured since i would only lower bar to my ears when i would get to heavy weights...Today at 65 i can totally work entire shoulders using bands..😊
@enteoz1694
Жыл бұрын
I've been getting really good results with handstand pushups using an inwards grip on the hands, so i'm pretty sure the overhead press can be very useful as well.
@derbistheeternal2947
Жыл бұрын
My favorite lift. Gonna keep doing them
@cafeapaka7501
Жыл бұрын
“Gee Whiz that’s very Good” love how Dr Mike mixes his G rated phrases peppered with R rated phrases in a very matter of fact and natural manner - a genuine part of his delivery.
@jasonshults368
Жыл бұрын
I have never seen much or many results from OHP. My shoulders really grew once I started focusing on lateral raises, specifically heavy, slow lateral raises.
@pneudmatic
8 ай бұрын
I've been training for years for 'ridiculous' strength, but now I need 'no nonsense strength'. Dr. Mike, I need to totally change my training, now!
@Gopher31
Жыл бұрын
Just restarted overhead dumbbell presses after finding a way of doing it without impingement. I feel it better in my side delts than when I do lateral raises. Could be that I always do externally rotated facepulls first in the same workout.
@dallysinghson5569
Жыл бұрын
I had impingement and when i started OHping because i couldnt do anything else i was also surprised to find it was true that you can do it without impingement and if anything develop strength and size while the impingement issue abates
@cvonpete
11 ай бұрын
It's astounding that this advice is free.....just stellar....
@pietrosigismondodelvalenti6371
5 ай бұрын
Thank you Dr. Sir, got what I needed in the 1st 90 seconds. Back to life...
@roebuckmckinney
Жыл бұрын
Hey Doctor Mike, on the subject of OHP, I was doing some Standing Pin Presses earlier today (I know, they're partial reps, trust me, I have a plan, there's a reason I'm doing this, it's unrelated to hypertrophy) and since I was lifting out of J hooks, I had to really control the eccentric on the way down. I was surprised at how much tension I felt at the very bottom of the movement, all localized to my posterior delts. I train rear delts quite frequently, and I've never felt a stretch quite like this. Later on in the session, I did some rear delt exercises, and I'll be damned if I wasn't able to keep up with my reps from last week at the same weight. Is there any reason why there was so much tension in my rear delts on the pin press? Could it have maybe just been triceps? Any insight would be highly valued.
@ersatz02
8 ай бұрын
I enjoy doing OHP and having seen growth, but today did sets AFTER a full circuit of lateral raises…game changer. This will be my new approach from now on
@tylerjames646
Жыл бұрын
not only is this the best place for scientifically backed advice, but i also love the dry delivery of your humour - your final thoughts were too funny lol
@NoMirr0r
Жыл бұрын
I’ve learned a lot from Barbell Medicine, they were my red pill into my powerlifitng training. Training with pain, first heard about RPE from their stuff.. they were like my religion. BUT.. it’s so awesome to have found Mike. So much knowledge.. so much stuff about hypertrophy and not just strong man move barbell. It’s made me remember how important (and fun) that part of it is and can be. The just getting jacked stuff. Mike’s shit is easy to understand but mostly things I didn’t think about. Every video I learn something that’s just going to help me train in whatever I choose to do. Deep stretch Slow on the eccentric What OHP trains and the ratio of stimulus to fatigue. All makes perfect sense. I’m actually excited about my next hypertrophy block.. I usually hate them. But I’m going to embrace the bodybuilding part. Stop obsessing over the weight and just getting the reps done.. and focus on controlled painful full rom and kinda mind muscle connection. And that in turn will actually be more hypertrophic and get me more jacked. Then I can focus turning that new muscle mass into strength. God bless you Mike, and god bless the United States of America.
@janemf
Жыл бұрын
I kind of actually dont care about growth, i want strength. Part of the reason I do OHP is it benefits the rest of my lifting.
@yuvaldemayo0
Жыл бұрын
Mike that OHP is UNREAL! Have you ever tried Handstand pushups? If so how many can you do?
@HAMMERTIMEBB
8 ай бұрын
I feel like overhead press is good for upper back.
@future62
Жыл бұрын
I havent tried it but I imagine another way to get more side delt in the pressing is to use dumbbells. Just have to get creative about progressive overload. This just gave me the idea to get some 2.5 plates and magnets
@scottwistinghausen5026
Жыл бұрын
Super setting with lateral raises is genius
@alias5281
Жыл бұрын
I want to OHP because OHP is cool.
@tripledair
5 ай бұрын
Mmmyeah if I see you doing 225 OHP for reps…I’m just leaving the gym that day.
@karelenhenkie666
4 ай бұрын
Is that a lot? I'm doing 150 for reps now after barely training for years. Not trying to brag just genuinely curious as a guy as big as Mike could surely double the weight on any exercise that I do.
@philosophyandhappiness2001
Ай бұрын
Bro, him doing 275 is fucking wild. Most people won't touch 2 plates on bench, let alone ohp 😂😂😂
@donaldpump1282
Жыл бұрын
i once had to fly and put my luggage up on a shelf, thanks to 10 years of overhead presses it went very smooth
@olivergrljevic2128
Жыл бұрын
Dr.Mike just casualy reading my mind with this topics
@Einimas
7 ай бұрын
I have to compliment your imagination, not only you "xray the body" you do those funny hypothetical situations. Love it.
@janagax
8 ай бұрын
I like the description of it as a 'spirit exercise'. Me big man. Me lift big rock up high. Me feel good
@thrivefnl
Жыл бұрын
I love this channel Thank you!!!
@johnnyt8902
6 ай бұрын
Typically, not always, I do one set of fronts on my push day. Then I dedicate one solid day for shoulders. I’ll do standing OHP once every 3 shoulder day. And I’ll do them last. More often than not, I’ll save standing OHP for my last exercise. I start with rears, then sides and then fronts. It’s been working well
@JamesDavisakaRemguy
Жыл бұрын
That was FUNNY, your bit at the end about OHP, out there in the world, getting on with their life, do they think about me? Ha ha ha, very nice! Well done, sir!
@jonrwert
28 күн бұрын
yeah makes sense. Also if you're training a lot of chest, as most people would do, bench presses and whatnot, you get a lot of front delt work. So in a good total body training scenario, you're probably already getting a lot of front delt activation without needing an OH press, better to focus on the side and rear if you're doing a shoulder-centric exercise or two. One caveat being a kettlebell unilateral OH press, which is actually also a good core exercise. Waiter carries are dope too, just don't try to go too heavy. I think there's something to training the overhead extended/locked out arm position, but that doesn't require just doing a bunch of OH presses.
@ajgrant94
9 ай бұрын
One of the best (if not THEE best) shoulder Dr's in the world -University of Seattle Hospital- told me #1. It isn't a natural body movement. #2. Past a certain weight.... It will turn into 1 of the worst things you can do to your shoulders. It wrecked mine. And I was very very good at it for 52 years.
@Awlips
Ай бұрын
"I'd pat myself on the back if I could reach it" I'm dead
@johnoleary8438
Жыл бұрын
Just want to shoutout Dr Mike for that overhead press. Those are some fucking staggering numbers for someone who isn't into strongman and/or Olympic weightlifting
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