We had a pretty sick BRH track with my friend, but we had a splice vocal. Label said that is the vocal over used. So I decided that I would never make a track based solely on splice vocal. 🙏
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
That’s the problem. Almost no label is interested in splice vocals
@ilo0076
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jonsine for starters, it's probably okay to use vocali splice
@twinkie911
3 жыл бұрын
do you still use splice ? have you had any copyright or other problems ? thank you.
@r4ndomuser861
3 жыл бұрын
You know what you can do man, make the track with the vocal, and then record a new vocal using the same notes and different words. Isnt that the part of the vocal that matters anyways? The feel of it? Is my logic accurate here or is there any problem you see with it??
@williejensen6799
3 жыл бұрын
Instablaster.
@FabianMazur
4 жыл бұрын
I don't agree fully with you on this one. I think it's all about getting creative with the vocal samples you're using. Of course if you pull a 16bar vocal sample from Splice and don't process it at all that's not the most "artistic" thing to do, but for many producers it can be a great stepping stone or placeholder to work with vocals. I would always argue that producers should work with vocals, even if they're samples, just to get the feeling and skills to work with vocal production. It's impossibly hard for upcoming producers to get good vocals/toplines/singers so for many this is the only solution to get proper vocals on their songs. With that being said, I of course encourage producers to reach out to all vocalists in their network and try to get original vocals on their tracks.
@TheAlan0293
4 жыл бұрын
Damn Fabian never thought I'd see you here lol! Big fan of yours
@matthewtoomer2181
4 жыл бұрын
@@davemile5149 The music should always be before the Vocals and the vocals should compliment the music. I will always write the music first before I add any of MY OWN vocals. You wont get taken seriously if you use sampled vocals and your name will just vanish in with the rest of the sample producers. If you want to be remembered as an artist you need to be unique not oh this sounds like this guy or that guy which is why so little make it in the industry. Music isn't for the listeners its for you and if people like it you done well and you will be remembered for being different and your name will go on. This guy is right and if I hear samples ive heard a thousand times I have very little interest in who made it period. If I hear something creative and unique thats pretty cool I will check them out which will get them more plays and exposure and possibly a ticket to a show. I have little respect for sampled music as it lazy and isn't creative in my opinion as you didn't make it or write it. I agree with slicing and chopping as your doing something interesting and unique but straight up vocals no you really don't want to do that unless its a remix which I did once. if you really like how the vocal samples work in track great, now re record them with a vocalists or do it yourself. There are programmes that can auto tune if your a poor singer. Don't do what everyone else is doing!. Yes use samples for inspiration but dont use them straight up dude, I love cover bands that put their own flavour on things and thats exactly what you should be doing, Not straight up copy and paste as thats not YOU, again music IS NOT for the fans its for YOU it is YOU why be someone else? This is why pop music is shit as its not the artists music it been written and produced by record labels. Don't make money for a label if you want fans cos they wont care and the label just wants to make money not good music. Don't sell your soul for fame do what you love and you enjoy every second off it and there is nothing more rewarding then someone liking YOU and YOUR music. Fans dont become fans of generic music they become fans cos of them. You dont become friends with people cos they are like everyone else you like them cos they are true to themselves
@jdjd36
4 жыл бұрын
I agree, once again Jon is completely contradictive here. I think this is just another frustrated vlog, rather than factual and helpful.
@GoOdG3rMs
4 жыл бұрын
@@jdjd36 don't forget that jon is often / mostly looking at it from a business point of view. I agree with Fabian 100% though, since i am an amateur without a good network and hardly a way to practice this craft without splice vocals.
@Dominik-K
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your opinions. As I'm just starting out, I'll try out samples to get a feel and just trying to get some songs out there, to get a feel for it. I'm kinda unsure how the whole process (especially KZitem) works, so I'm concentrating on this
@poonamcool22
4 жыл бұрын
It's easy to say don't use sample vocals , not as easy to collaborate always
@rileyhutton
2 жыл бұрын
this stuff isn't supposed to be easy my dude
@addpatternmusic1109
2 жыл бұрын
@@rileyhutton why not?
@lazy-i1091
2 жыл бұрын
I think the most important thing is to make music people want to listen to. Nobody listening cares about the process. Don’t let pride and ego get in the way of making great tracks.
@themoneyman1752
Жыл бұрын
FACTS!! The easier the better
@GodEmperor_
Жыл бұрын
I know your comment is a year old but this is facts I remember spending 4-8 hours on just a synth but when the beat finally came out nobody cared for it but they really liked the drums and that only took me 5 mins.
@SadowickProduction
4 жыл бұрын
Sample pack companies (like Splice) do not grant exclusive licenses. Using a vocal sample in a track and then DMCAing videos on YT that use the same sample is beyond illegal. You dont own the copyright of those samples, you are licenced to used them in compositions only. A label that would do that that would get destroyed. Also one of the distributors jobs is to prevent false positive Content IDs. These rarely happen.
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
This unfortunately happens a lot. I even know people that make a business of claiming KZitem videos and songs on KZitem using splice vocals. they release the same vocal with their Distribution and just claim everything. If no one files a complaint they already made some money. Happens everytime I make a song feedback video and someone used splice vocals even if the version I get wasn’t released my video gets claimed by someone that already used it.
@twinkie911
3 жыл бұрын
Scary. at this point im wondering what is the point of using them at all ? it says you don't own the copyright on the site but what i don't understand is you can't use them comercially ? so basically is it just to be used for fun/ inspiration ?
@Bronwyn031
3 жыл бұрын
@@twinkie911 I checked and as long as you purchased the vocal from Splice then you in essence own a license to use it in any production.
@hectorcryo6768
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bronwyn031 When you say 'purchase the vocal from Splice', do you mean 1) just spending 1 credit to then slap it onto your instrumental or 2) actually contacting the sample recording studio and buy off the license to that recorded vocal?
@orondeshaw
4 жыл бұрын
I only used splice vocals a couple times. Chopped it in serato and put effects on it. Sounds totally different. I think it’s fine to use as long as you make it your own.
@Harpsea
3 жыл бұрын
2:20 is when the video actual starts with Jons opinion
@guyb2767
4 жыл бұрын
I don't agree.....it really depends on what resources you have at your disposal.
@alexroseofcl
4 жыл бұрын
I was shook when I found the vocal from Revolt by Malaa and Jacknife on Splice. I woulda though an artist that famous wouldn’t use splice vocals.
@chapterandversemusic
3 жыл бұрын
I use splice every day. Team splice all the way works a treat for me 😂
@DymonBeats
2 жыл бұрын
Works how you only have 25 subs
@pnd4pnd693
2 жыл бұрын
You can always pitch the vocals down and then change the key
@LowHeatBeats
4 жыл бұрын
Good info man, the general message is on point! However I need to correct you on something: KZitem's Content ID claim, that you were referring isn't "3 strikes you're out", you're confusing it with a copyright strike. These are not the same. You can have as many Content ID claims as you want without your channel being affected, you just don't get any money for those videos. Also I agree that the KZitem thing is a mess when using samples. That's why Content ID is no longer available for Hip-Hop and Electronic. Check with your distributor, but I think it's like that everywhere.
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
I know. As I said they might even strike you. Have a friend who got strikes by a kid because he though he owns the splice vocal
@matthewtoomer2181
4 жыл бұрын
this is a copyright strike if someone else has released a song and the algorithm picks its up. The algorithm don't care about the royalty. There are a lot of channels I follow who keep getting blocked cos they play a certain melody for educational purposes with all ad money going the artist artists and still KZitem wont care and still will block you over copyright and its a pain in the arse if you get three strikes be it copyrighted or not. Yes you can get your channel up if prove no wrong doing was done but what if one of the artists thinks your song is too similar cos you both used other samples from splice? this has happened before and you can still get banned and sued by the other artists even if the vocals are royalty free. Is it worth the risk? and is it worth the labels risk?
@MusicTheoryLogic
3 жыл бұрын
I love this! You're the man Jon!
@KitKalvert
2 жыл бұрын
I fully appreciate your perspective here! Very motivational I have just had my first few House tracks released on Labels, with editing, re-arranged Splice vocals. I'm currently working on one actually, I love it; took a lot of time editing using two vocalists all changed. Would you recommend I continue using Splice just to get my career going or slow work rate drastically at such a "crucial" time as I would like to generate fans through some sort of consistency in terms of release dates.
@Grasklipparmannen
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for presenting alternatives and useful information 👌👍
@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69
3 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day No one cares if the music is good.
@HigherSelf
4 жыл бұрын
Spinnin have signed many tracks with vocals like this - Pep & Rash - Rumours was a big hit off the back of a vocal like that. EDM tracks I don't think it matters so much if you use creatively. Most up and comers don't have the connections with singer/songwriters.
@Bronwyn031
3 жыл бұрын
Here's my issue Jon. I have purchased quite a few vocal packs in my time. There is nothing more heartbreaking than to hear another producer's work featuring the vocals you decided to use. So I mainly use them as place holders to kinda get the vibe and eddy of the vocal melody to help mold the production. Then I strip them suckers right out during mixing. I sometimes will use a sample as a backing element or really distorted rise or filler. Now with that said. I actually went out and tried to hire a song writer/singer from Fiverr. The prices were all over the place with some being bargain basement efforts while some price quotes were astronomically high :( So unless you are trying to get paid from your productions, Splice will do just fine lol.
@seansavageca
4 жыл бұрын
haha John Summit Deep End on Defected a global hit with splice vocals
@jamesblack993
3 жыл бұрын
I too was wondering if he got that vocal off of Splice. I mean there are no hard rules, in the end all that matters is that your music connects with your audience.
@mvricks90
4 жыл бұрын
its catchy then who cares. They are good for building a following! but i agree that its good to know how to work with a vocalist from scratch
@schmitty3283
4 жыл бұрын
@jonsine, I agree for creativity but do you know how much a singer costs!? I’m poor and can’t afford to hire a singer. I can afford $10 a month for splice and access any vocals. Sure, a lot of us love to write vocals and hire a singer but can’t afford it.
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of singers work on a percentage so you don’t have to pay anything upfront. Even cheaper than splice. Try it
@matthewtoomer2181
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jonsine agreed, I think splice is making people lazy and not bother looking for singers, there are plenty of singers desperate for work that will do anything for exposure, Don't X factor prove this point? ;)
@philippendletonmusic
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but that's just a lame excuse.
@Azaal
3 жыл бұрын
I think there is sort of a difference between splice acapellas and splice vocal hooks. I've heard many creative songs use vocal hooks from splice like from Karra's packs or 91 vocals or something. This is more popular in dubstep and similar genres, but I think you can get way more creative with a vocal with only one or two lines, rather than slapping a full acapella on an instrumental.
@Azaal
3 жыл бұрын
@@overlords2722 that sort of has similar results because you are using only a couple lines rather than a full acapella.
@stevedemusic2578
3 жыл бұрын
Totally disagree. You tube can be sorted out by easily request a release on id claim. Also if you can make a great production from the vocals which you select from splice them why not? People create this stigma for no reason. I write & record my own music and also use splice vocals. If a production is good then its good. Check out my content. Guys don't be shut down by this false stigma. Use it make it work have fun with it and thats it. If the world loves it and you make millions then 👏👏
@grahambryant5578
4 жыл бұрын
Jon...Finally coming out of the closet!!!!
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
yes tomorrow :)
@SolStateMusic
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jonsine Big day. We're here for you 😉
@JeighNeither
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jonsine How long before you went right back in? Ten months later this feed is a sad read of lost hopes.
@gimitello
4 жыл бұрын
Does this happen with Splice Melody Samples too? Can you get banned/demonitized (or even sued) because some big labels have songs that used the same sample. Or does the algorythm only works dor vocal samples when you release your song through an distributor on youtube/spotify/apple music etc.?
@sysofficial
3 жыл бұрын
yes
@andrewbrown5139
3 жыл бұрын
Everything on splice is licensed meaning anyone who purchases it can use it its not exclusive. If a label tried to sue you and you could prove its a licensed sample available for purchase they have nothing. They can't copyright a melody or anything they don't have exclusive rights to.
@lowpassparty
2 жыл бұрын
Story time: I recently sent a demo to a very well-respected house label from NYC. The A&R emailed me back telling me straightaway that he recognized the vocal one-shots that I used; they were from splice and he told me numerous other submissions had used the exact same ones. Using them seems innocent enough until you're listening to hundreds of demos a day and then you start to hear the same samples over and over again, especially the ones that rank the highest algorithmically there. In a nutshell I made a bad first impression and learned a valuable lesson; this video only reinforces that. I'd say splice samples are ok if you're starting out and don't plan on sharing the tracks anywhere, but once you think you're ready to shop the track to a serious label it needs to be original.
@kidsonicofficial
4 жыл бұрын
I use vocal sample packs. It's all about processing, and also, if you use Melodyne or even Pitch map you can get cool results that are completely different to the original vocal. I don't produce EDM at all, just pure Drum & Bass.
@kaafaa5944
4 жыл бұрын
ahhh :o i forgot Melodyne for modify :o thank you
@flint6873
3 жыл бұрын
Drum n bass is edm my guy
@kidsonicofficial
3 жыл бұрын
@@flint6873 Yeah, but not the commercial Skrillex/Martin Garrix shit that I'm talking about. It's underground and that's what I mean.
@wildside1274
4 жыл бұрын
I dont agree at all , there is one rule in music - there are no rules . in other words if it works - it works . when you get a demo with vocals of splice and shitty production thats doesnt has to do nothing bout the vocals , and the production will be shitty with originals as well. yes you are pretty restricted when you have a complete vocals , but if you are creative enough thats not gonna be a problem. anyway if you as an artist can afford original vocals , so ofcourse you should , but you have to start somewhere , and splice is fine .
@mvricks90
4 жыл бұрын
agree. btw when u say afford original vocals where do u mean? where do u buy them?
@wildside1274
4 жыл бұрын
@@mvricks90 fiverr , vocalizr and i believe there are alot more .
@andrewbrown5139
3 жыл бұрын
@@wildside1274 problem with this though is the recordings usually aren't the best and you got a mess to clean. 10 cents on a vocal sample that's clean or 200+ that likely is going to require lots of work to clean up. Let alone the fact that you don't have a clue where these "original vocals are actually coming from". Could be dropping 200+ on something that was ripped off from someone else.
@mattiabonafini4026
4 жыл бұрын
How do you set up a contract for the singer who's going to collaborate with you? Do you pay her/him once and then you're done? Or is there any other solution? The melody and lyrics might be written by yourself but the vocal characteristics are also going to influence the whole track. I hope my question is clear enough. Keep on rockin'
@aaronencinas6307
3 жыл бұрын
X2
@mrpooroldme
4 жыл бұрын
I love your honesty, it's causing me to roll around the floor crying my eyes out in hysterical laughter, It's probably cause here in England we politely lie, and ruin peoples lives by giving them false hopes and illusions. The bluntest person is probably Simon Cowell, but I don't think he is honest he probably likes being cruel, but has to cause drama on his television show's.
@Reaktora
6 ай бұрын
we all have that a singer that is perfectly in pitch in the basement of course !
@SolStateMusic
4 жыл бұрын
How do you split royalties with vocalist Jon?
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
Copyright usually 50/50
@gregarmstrong2500
3 жыл бұрын
That sounds crazy to me. If one person is doing the writing, beats, sound design, melodies, lyrics, arrangement, mixing, mastering etc, then one person just shows up and spends half an hour doing vocals, why would that be 50/50? Unless they are working with you on the rest of the track with you, they are just a session musician. Organise a fee up front, then the producer can take the royalties, because they did all the work.
@gregarmstrong2500
3 жыл бұрын
Oh and I am a vocalist, by the way. Not just a disgruntled producer. I would never do 5% of the work and demand 50% of the royalties.
@joemontgomery4905
4 жыл бұрын
WARNING!! I can totally back this up. Last year I received a message from a very angry person who uploaded a song that used the same (Splice) vocal sample I used. Even though I chopped the hell out of it, youtube still flagged it. The main reason is because I independently released it through a distributor (This is important here). Songs released through a distributors who then releases it on youtube for the artist will always be favored over someone posting it themselves. We both legally had the right to use and monetize it BUT the algorithm does not take that into consideration at all. Because of this youtube sent them notification that the monetization would go to me. In the end I felt terrible for this guy and could not reverse it for him. So since it was a track that was really old anyway I dropped it from the distributor and told the other producer to give it time and try again. This being said... I think a lot of other people in my situation wouldn't have cared as much as I did. or would be willing to do what I did.
@joemontgomery4905
4 жыл бұрын
@@stocothedude Not really. My song was old and not my finest work plus his song was better than mine anyway. :)
@matthewtoomer2181
4 жыл бұрын
did you keep that track up thou it would be a shame not to still have your song up even if you cant montize it. Im sure he would do the same for you as you did for him :) I would of done the same thou I dont use samples for this reason apart from one song but that was just so I had something different to add to my KZitem channel ;) none of my music is up for sell as you can just go and listen to it on soundcloud
@robertcalloway3125
8 ай бұрын
I believe that splice can and should be used as a collaborative tool, the same way you would use a for hire musician. Yes samples have changed the game and some artist are not happy with that, the same way some were not happy with hip-hop in the first place!
@tfoft5895
4 жыл бұрын
How much original Writing have you personally put into the Vocal Production of your latest 3 releases? Were those vocal lines the result the your sole effort in terms of writing? Having access to a more exclusive catalog to select from artists and songs it is essentially and fundamentally the same as working with samples from Splice in terms of creative effort. The main difference - maybe exclusivity - of course this comes with a price. I do not believe using Splice makes less of a produces, also using a selective catalogue doesn’t make automatically make one a better producer.
@peterjon2758
3 жыл бұрын
If Moby listened to this advice, Play wouldn't exist. Sure, he didn't use splice because it didn't exist, but he used his own splice via sampling. There are extremely creative ways to include samples, including sampled vocals. I'm very confused by this sort of advice. I'm legitimately a singer songwriter way before I experimenting with anything electronic, but even with the ability to record solid vocals...I make plenty use of sampled vocals to use as sort of additional instruments....
@Jonsine
3 жыл бұрын
Yea your right but pls don’t just use a splice vocal as it is as your main element in a song that’s just lazy and the main point of the video. Nothing against creative sampling
@peterjon2758
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jonsine this makes much more sense to me. In other words, the artists you're describing are just importing a polished vocal, essentially doing nothing else to it and then making an entire song around it? In that case, yes that's pretty lazy.
@brianandrade_music
4 жыл бұрын
Jon Thanks for the video Love your advice
@MC-dd7br
Жыл бұрын
Great video! What about if I want to publish on my own a song through Spotify and it has a vocal previously used by someone else?
@JeighNeither
3 жыл бұрын
Haha, this didn't age very well. Tomorrow I'm going back to business as usual. Think again.
@ANUBASS
3 жыл бұрын
I've heard vocal samples from mainstream chart topping RnB songs in early 2000's uploaded on splice and chopped up with 400 phazer/chorus plugins added to it to try mask the copyright If I can instantly hear it in the first bar the label who owns the copyright and released the song definitely can
@whackoization
3 жыл бұрын
The industry does not give a flying fuck how any of us make our money, bare that in mind.
@darvish2776
4 жыл бұрын
Wow.. was not expecting that. Like many ppl in the comments, I have to disagree with you. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to pay a singer and have a pro recording booth to record some vocals. Also most singers come up with their own melodies so even if as a producer you hire a singer, the creativity of the acapella comes from the singer, not the producer. I’ve even seen in some of your videos, you just play your best and let the singer come up with something then you decide if you like it or not. Maybe give a tip or two. Besides that, it’s a bit hypocritical in the sense that, all of your tracks have samples in them made by others. For example drum sounds. Are you really recording someone playing a kick and snare? So how is it different for vocals? Splice also has dry vocals where the producer would process it in their own way. To say that 50% of the tracks creativity is lost for using a vocal sample is totally ridiculous. By that logic, if the best and worst producers use ONLY the same vocal track and make two different songs, they should only be 50% apart in terms of skills and creativity, right? WRONG
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
I wish you could hear the demos I get. Very cheap beats with splice vocals and people ask me to release it.
@ShawnDawson
4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the information in this video. Thank you.
@PetersonBlanc
3 жыл бұрын
I see splice as a great tool that I want to know fully understand what rights do I have to the music I download as a member paying a monthly cost. Is that music mines, to be used however I wish, or will there be any future legal risk and fees to using the sample music? Simply, I was recommended by a friend to use a splice for finding a podcast theme song for my show, purchase the sample, and keep or end my membership whenever? Whether that is right to do or not, can I do that if it isn’t having to pay for a music producer and or going on a site like a freelancer for someone to give the job to? I don’t want a lengthy process and I don’t mean to play a large amount for something I can find myself. What are my options?
@chrrismo
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video. right now I'm thinking about releasing a couple songs to spotify, more like just because I want to find my own song on spotify:D. I think I will replace as many of my songs with actual accapellas from splice with songs that don't have vocals (Actually got three songs I want to release with splice vocals). Another advice: Never pack your projects in the Daw's application Folder. Once you reinstall it your projects are gone forever. Happened to me, will never happen again:D. I'm saying that because I got one Song I want to bring to spotify, that I only have the Wav left. But I played guitar to it and put effort in it, and I really like it. I hope this works. I'm a hobby music producer, but I love it, doing it just for fun. And I like it how I become better over time. It's the most fullfilling hobby I can imaginexD. Very good video btw.
@pestylz2316
4 ай бұрын
The problem is, how can I get my FIRST song released without having splice vocals? I can’t hire a vocalist while not even being sure if it’s definitely getting released, you can’t be sure if a label’s gonna accept you. How to get out of this situation??
@leipies
2 жыл бұрын
While you make some good points, I think there is a major flaw in your argument. Using a splice vocal isn't much different than making a remix of a song using a pre-existing vocal. Multiple remixes are often made of the same song, using the same exact vocals, and many producers' careers got jumpstarted by the initial recognition they got from making popular remixes. While I agree there are skills required to record/produce a live vocalist, there are also creative choices being made when using a sample. Samples were responsible for a large portion of hip-hop and house music. Entire genres were built on it. Some very popular songs use samples that are plainly obvious as to where they came from, yet despite that those songs became wildly successful. The misconception here is that music is made FOR the producer, but that's just an exercise of ego to think only purely original things are creative. If you want to be extreme with that line of logic, then you should only use vocals that you personally write/sing, you should play all your own instruments, and you should sound design every sound from scratch. While it is acceptable to do those things, it's not necessary, because music isn't made for the producer, it's made for the listener. If someone listening to your song likes it, they don't care if the vocal is a sample or original. They don't care if you made the song in 3 minutes or 3 years. It's irrelevant. If they like it they like it. That's it. So just make good music... any way that you can.
@MrSpiritualdiamond
4 жыл бұрын
Love listening to you , Always good advice :) :) :)
@mick3ypaz
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your Guidelines...
@akialmusicofficial
4 жыл бұрын
And then from where will I get a lot of vocals that are royalty free?
@sufyanahmed1792
4 жыл бұрын
Are the splice songs copyright free?
@akialmusicofficial
4 жыл бұрын
@@iandante4694 Those are just chops, not acapellas, if I'm not wrong
@notatlantis9868
3 жыл бұрын
i'm sorry but having a perfectly good sounding and studio quality studio vocal in one click instead of having to find a singer , spend thousands of dollars , get massive headaches to try to find a good singer that can sing on beat and in key , i really don't understand how that's a problem , yes there are several songs with the same vocals but only a few are actually good and the rest is garbage , it's all about the instrumental , so many big labels sign songs with splice vocals no problem , it just seems really unfair because not everyone has the connections / budget to get vocals ...
@zwoult
4 жыл бұрын
thats your opinion, for starters, Splice is the best way to play with.
@Amatteus
4 жыл бұрын
You forgot a very important point: Sing your self !!! If you want to have your own sound use the musical instrument that you and only your have: your voice. !!!!.. And do not tell me you can not sing.. If you can talk you can sing...If you have learned producing you can also learn to sing.. A lot of people is blocked by a fake believe that they can not sing. Go and fucking sing !!!!
@matthewtoomer2181
4 жыл бұрын
Bingo :) my goal is to sing one day. Its the last thing I have to do and the time will come when it comes :)
@richardg8687
4 жыл бұрын
So what happens when people use the same melody or synth loop? Listen to "Me so bad" by Tinashe and " Nah Mad (Ova Nuh Gyal) by Munga Honorable. Both songs that gets played on radio. The sample is on splice and neither changed the BPM nor the sample's pitch. The exact sample is even used in Slate Digital EQ Course. What happens to the up and coming producer who simply wants to understand how is his or her beat sounds with vocals or use the vocal to improve mixing vocals. I agree at some point one has to go out and find vocalist but in the beginning that person may have to work with what they have access to and simply understand they may not make money from KZitem for those songs but at least they would have improved thier skills for when they do have a real vocalist.
@vxd
4 жыл бұрын
I just dislike working with vocalists they never seem to do what you want and often take forever to respond or get back to you. Then they send you files with shitty hissing and background sounds which take hours to clean up. I dont mind paying but you just dont get the quality. I love splice the singers are perfect and you can build a track around that. It's all high quality in the end.
@StunnedByWrestling
4 жыл бұрын
So we also shouldn't use instrumental samples? It's the same argument, no?
@TonyThomas10000
4 жыл бұрын
The problem with using custom vocals or collabing with a singer/songwriter is there is not enough $$$ to justify it. Unless a record company is going to foot the bill (which you will have to repay out of royalties), it is seldom worth it, especially if you are not a major artist with a following. So, folks are gonna throw a ten cent Karra vocal on a track and put it out there. And most EDM is much more about money than art. In any case, I will stick with making instrumental music!
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
U can get good original vocals for free. It’s just a matter of finding someone or convincing them with you skills, brand, share on the master...
@TonyThomas10000
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jonsine That is only after you build a brand and a following. Most singers want $$$ upfront because they know they have little chance of making it on the back end.
@matthewtoomer2181
4 жыл бұрын
@@TonyThomas10000 not if you are a new singer looking for a break through or just experience. Ask any big singer and many will tell you they done songs for free. I took Jessie Jay three years before she made a single dollar from that money money money song. And Plan B said after having No.1 hits was still 30k in debt. All from the artist mouths them selves.... Jon Sine is right you can get singers for free
@simenraaen6089
4 жыл бұрын
I have thought the same myself for a long time. Did it one evening, and never again...
@CarlitoBTS
3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t used splice vocal samples but I wouldn’t mind using them. You use whatever resources you have. Key word is SAMPLES. Hip hop was based on using SAMPLES. What’s next, The need to make your own drum kits because not doing that is just being lazy?
@thereal_ineedHelp
4 жыл бұрын
Friends of Jon watching this: “I remember helping Jon when he was getting started by doing some vocals for him! I wonder if he remembers those fun times?!” Jon: 5:50
@gurtana
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, totally. How rude of Jon. Wonder if they know that's how he feels about their art... ?
@MsRobstar
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think l agree. Even for the wilds best it’s had to great vocals. I would totally understand if you talked about how to make Splice vocals unique. Vocals are an instrument. You could have even talked about how to get and produce a great vocal session. I just know how hard it is as a producer to get things accomplished and put out. Poor unthaw-out feedback is one of the things that can be the most demotivating. I like your channel! I agree with you most times. I don’t know if the title was Clickbait. But I think context of everything. Good talk. Keep up the great work!
@jasmineayling
2 жыл бұрын
AMEN
@TrueFakeNews
4 жыл бұрын
So where u get your vocals?
@idontwantanusername
3 жыл бұрын
For my own music (I'm just an hobbyst), I use one shots or single drum hits taken from loops at most (they are instruments in my opinion), but anything related to the composition/arrangement must be 100% mine (or split with collaborators, if I'll ever collaborate with someone). I always wanted my work to be my own, even if it's substandard and not ready to be released. For me it's more valuable to be a "100% real" "lower-level" artist than having a commercial release with a "fake artist label" to me. This is also reflected into the music I listen/buy. When I listen/buy music, I definitely don't want to ear the same thing over and over under different artist names. The vocals are the main feature of a song (vs an instrumental track), so I want to listen to an original vocal (or to a cover song, but then it must be credited as such and it must be a good take on the original too). I want something "real"! If I notice a song is built around library material, I won't listen to that song anymore and I would probably add that artist to my lists of artist to avoid (or to scrutinize before buying any song). Same if a label has a lot of that material: I don't care if it's a track or two, but a significant amount of that material equals to "cheap" label in my opinion and I won't care for any further release on that label. I bought some song based on such material in the past and I was really shocked when I noticed the source. Everytime this happens, I feel like I threw money away on fake music! I have no problems with covers or sample based music (if the sample is flipped creatively and it's not over used) as long as they bring something to the table... I'm kinda ok even with drumloops (if they are not the main thing of the track, of course!), but anything "melodic" from libraries sounds "fake" to me (unless heavily processed into something completely different). Of course casual listeners probably won't care about the source of the material... untill they listen to the same thing over and over under the different names and they get bored!
@idontwantanusername
3 жыл бұрын
If I take a melodic loop as the main feature of the track and I add parts around it, I’d say I’m arranging someone’s else idea, I find it hard to call it my own composition. I’m ok if someone takes a sample and reworks it into something new in a creative way (which is not as easy at it may seem)… but I find little value in taking a full vocal from a library and adding a “generic” arrangement which ticks all the boxes of the music genre of choice… in my view, that’s just practicing arrangement/production. Or something in the lines of remixing a sample library instead of a published song (with the big difference that you don’t credit yourself as the artist when you remix a song of other artists). Yet, people making tracks with those samples are credited as the artists. And I find it extremely depressing when such tracks are released on big labels, where there should be the budget to feature a professional vocalist performing an original composition and keeping full control. Yet, they use content from libraries. What’s the reason for that? Being cheap? Exploiting a musical idea which works (even if you don’t have the exclusive, but it’s still better than no money)? Lack of ideas? The hobbyists argument isn’t a strong argument, both because those samples are used also by professional (people making a living or a good chunk of their income from music) and because there are hobbyst musicians making their own compositions. Those samples are just a shortcut. Also, does any hobbyst artist think of an artistic career with no original compositions but just tracks based on sample libraries? Those samples can be a good tool for practicing production (because you can work with good recordings and good ideas, which you may not have access when you’re an hobbyst with little to no budget), but then you should make your own compositions. Why is electronic music different from bands, which practice with crappy equipment and still write their own song? I think a rock band would have a very hard time with a song based on a library vocal, yet this is ok in electronic music
@andresdi747
4 жыл бұрын
Your point being its like using melody or other loops, not completelt agree on this one
@danyres4276
Жыл бұрын
Tbh just do whatever the f u want sample or not, if it’s fire then you’re good xx
@janwedelhansen2542
4 жыл бұрын
What deal do you have with a vocal if the song is released ?. Is it a share of the Spotify income the vocalist get ?
@deamhub
4 жыл бұрын
Great news! Fully back to the studio again!!!!!
@sashaf8764
4 жыл бұрын
What if you take the Melody of a vocal sample ( verse and pre hook ) that is amazing but write original lyrics on a song?
@DJFxallMixX
4 жыл бұрын
I have used them but I no where near the level ready to send out a demo. But I would not send or use any thing more then a riser from splice. I feel there are allot of sample arrangers out there but think it hurts in the long run.
@nyonmusic
4 жыл бұрын
What's a reasonable and fair revenue share or payment for a vocalist?
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
Depends on a lot of factors. Buyout, %, or both is an option.
@nyonmusic
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jonsine Let's say, i would provide an instrumental sketch and a couple melodic ideas for the vocal. And i work together (back and forth) with the vocalist on tweaking lyrics and melody's. What percentage do you typically go for and what's fair for both sides? I've just worked with a vocalist for the first time and we went for 50/50, but i wanted to hear your take on it, to get an „experienced opinion“. Thanks for answering, btw!
@OriginalBurnout
4 жыл бұрын
If you dont get a lot of plays they‘re more likely to agree to a fixed fee whereas if you had a lot of plays they‘ll want a percentage
@lovd9722
4 жыл бұрын
I use splice vocals often. But not because I am lazy. I use them cuz i just CANT find any singers/songwriters for my tracks. I ask a lot, but most of them just ignore the mails or messages.
@paolodicostanzo7374
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@matthewtoomer2181
4 жыл бұрын
do you even send them demos? singer will often pick music that suits them and their voice
@Sebaxtain
4 жыл бұрын
Wait... releasing 1 out of a 100 songs? I like that Jon tries to give producers a realistic perspective on the business but that sounds just ridiculous and depressing unless you'r finishing 5 songs per day haha.
@genezisdj
4 жыл бұрын
i agree with tor coment
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
I meant getting vocals based on the amount of emails.
@Sebaxtain
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jonsine Ok that makes more sense, thanks for clarifying.
@petehuda7457
4 жыл бұрын
where can I get good vocals? dont have a singer
@ginuwine_
4 жыл бұрын
A tip which I use sometimes: If you have instagram go to the search tab and search for #vocalist then, when you find some which you like send them a dm for a collab. You could both learn a lot from eachother.. give it a try ;)
@andrewbrown5139
3 жыл бұрын
Lol. Sum it up in short term. Don't use splice samples cause I don't like to and I'm going to try to make you feel like your not good if you use them. But hey check out my generic as fuck edm productions 🤣🤣🤣.
@petehuda7457
4 жыл бұрын
How to get good vocals? Most vocals are always lalala without any fit to a track or any sense????? thank you
@HowardCharlesUK
4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought about using your own vocals in a song?
@woolymammothproductions5162
3 жыл бұрын
hey bro waht do you think about splice vs sounds.com,,, and there cancellation thing ive read a ton of reveiws on some sit ethat said people had issues with splice ripping them off adn charging them onths after they cancelled and then they cant use the samples they already bought is this just a small percentage of people that hate splice or is it common problem, im nervous to sign up for a sound site, and also do you htink its essential to get a sound site in this era of producing, im hip hop producer and rapper,,,,,just confused who to trust and give my business love your channel if you anna hear any stuff adn help me release in germany with yall im on spotify dropping small projects as my skills increase, love to work with some mixers to help me get my sound dialed cheers man much love stay safe have fun thank you !
@birdsiview6845
Жыл бұрын
I’d rather make shitty tracks of my own that take me a year to write than throw a bunch of samples I didn’t make. And give it to the underground culture. Creating bass sounds and drum sounds from scratch is where it’s at.
@b.w.oofficial7738
4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion it's how the vocals are used in context of the track. I would use edits that are close to unrecognisable from the original version (slices, format shifting etc.) but I would never use an entire vocal stem over the track as the main point of focus. If I thought my track was vocal based I would want something personal within that vocal.
@SuperSouper
4 жыл бұрын
Many people can't collab with anyone and/or can't sing
@jaysundj
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of Splice users who rely on Sample Packs to make music are upset in these comments
@samuelserrano9037
2 жыл бұрын
same thing with MIDI presets and stuff
@damonbrathwaite5520
4 жыл бұрын
Try fiverr singers. Singers not hard to find you make an agreement with make sure the legal aspects are covered and work from there.
@terrycastellani9496
4 ай бұрын
It annoys me when top artists use Splice samples..as I think it's just lazy. Splice should be for people just starting out.
@MarcoPolux
4 жыл бұрын
Make "Vedder music" 👍
@brightidea8122
Жыл бұрын
Hiring a singer is expensive , especially for beginners , so this advice doesn't work for all
@hanspeterwunderlich8909
3 жыл бұрын
maybe 2 or 3 months more....:P
@stepanvecera6793
3 жыл бұрын
for total beginnes, i think it's ok, but if you getting better at producing, vocalist is really importart
@webton934
4 жыл бұрын
To expensive dor me bro 😂 but i get the point
@Jonsine
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of singers work percentage based so no upfront costs
@webton934
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jonsine didn't kniw that thanks man 👍
@sufyanahmed1792
4 жыл бұрын
Are the songs available on splice is copyright free?
@FaOut
4 жыл бұрын
Vintage Culture use.
@MoriisMusic
3 жыл бұрын
guten morgen
@brucerexralph
3 жыл бұрын
REMIX...
@ddavis5251
2 жыл бұрын
You lost me as soon as you called the producer shitty work. As a pop Award winning producer my self I find your advice misleading. Don't take it personal I lived in Freiburg Germany for years I know you might think your opinions matter but honestly your wrong. The fact that these producers are picking vocals no 2 producers will produce them the same. I get paid to record vocals for producers and yet I still don't mind the creative use of vocals being used however way they like. Stop thinking too much just enjoy the music. It's equivalent to Dr Dre kanye west sampling an illegal vocal from the 80s many producers sampled the same Vox. Which sounds completely different from each other because of the production even though I'm a really good music producer (all genres) based in L.A. I must say you should stick to other areas and not giving music producer advice. God bless!
@johnqpublic4662
3 ай бұрын
The virus! lol
@playmu5ic
3 жыл бұрын
Hip hop has made billions off of samples what are y’all talking bout...there are musicians and there are sample musicians stop hatin... I bet if jay-z wanted to sample one of his track he’d kiss his #%*
@javile2682
3 жыл бұрын
After listening to your music i realised you should not talk about creativity. You act like you’re some kind of creative genius when you just make generic edm. Stop focusing on ways other people make music and instead focus on finding your own sound.
@soundbeasttv
4 жыл бұрын
Kanye West
@tripton_music
2 жыл бұрын
bro thats so shitty. like i did a full song without vocals and then found a great vocal from splice that fit with the song and it sound amazing so why tf you say it is not even producing when you put a vocal on top of a finished GOOD and INTERESTING instrumental............
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