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@rafaelbrites3607
3 ай бұрын
get your game on. about aoi, no gril got a bad treatment like her in all the yu gi oh history. They made her suffer just because she was a woman. and she deserved to had a rematch against spectre.
@SinEater_
3 ай бұрын
I love Jotaro's mom. She's always so happy-go-lucky and sweet. She loves her son and sees through his fake exterior. Is she particularly well written? No. But, it almost feels like that one guy that you knew in school who's mom was always incredibly caring for him and he would vehemently defend if anyone ever said anything about.
@evilsworn2901
3 ай бұрын
When you started talking about how something real important is treated as an easteregg in MGS. I felt that. I also feel MGS games by and large are B-plots and fanfics of the genuine story happening around them.
@oriongold395
3 ай бұрын
Kamen, you should also talk about women characters in Kamen Rider as well, especially when it comes to some characters like Yua Yaiba AKA Kamen Rider Valkyrie from Kamen Rider Zero-One.
@ThatguycalledJoe
3 ай бұрын
You could cut off over half of that first link and still get there, you know.
@RocRolDis
3 ай бұрын
One of the issues with Millie is that Vivzie only seems to know how to write three kinds of characters. Those with daddy issues, those in toxic relationships and those with daddy issues who are in toxic relationships.
@bussingbees
3 ай бұрын
Say it louder for those in the back
@gaaraxnaru
3 ай бұрын
Fizz is none of those, though. I think that's why he stands out so much, lol.
@csrjjsmp
3 ай бұрын
That’s why it works. Write what you know is advice for a reason. If you try to write a character you don’t under stand or empathize with, nobody will like it. If your range is very narrow maybe not many people will enjoy it but there will at least be some
@RocRolDis
3 ай бұрын
@@csrjjsmp Vivsie's got talent. I want to see her broaden and mature her writing skills.
@ryancarson6962
3 ай бұрын
@@gaaraxnaruExcept that Mammon, his boss, is portrayed as a sort of surrogate father to Fizz, and he's shown to be a toxic individual in his life. One scene literally has Fizz say he has to do what he says so he "doesn't let him down", the theming of "Stage Parents" is obviously there. So that argument is built on a flawed thesis, assuming that Fizz's story has absolutely nothing to do with daddy issues just because Mammon isn't blood-related to him.
@VoltFall
3 ай бұрын
Can't suck at writting women if you don't write about women to begin with, Checkmate
@dominocut2963
3 ай бұрын
Or just not write with the gender in mind
@anubis7457
3 ай бұрын
@@dominocut2963Don’t write gender. Only write about neuter aliens.
@HeilRay
3 ай бұрын
genius!
@dominocut2963
3 ай бұрын
@@anubis7457 EXACTLY
@the_apotecary_from_tf2
3 ай бұрын
@@anubis7457Orks Warhammer 40k
@aquapendulum
3 ай бұрын
The giveaway sign of when incompetent writers try to write women is they give the woman character all the traits that would be considered "toxic masculinity" if they were written for a guy - arrogant, stoic, promiscuous, emotionally abusive, take unnecessary risks, prefer the violent solutions over diplomatic ones, potty-mouth - and then pitch that as a "strong female character".
@marocat4749
3 ай бұрын
And the thing is you can do that , dunno i thought xena the warrior proincess was literally written that way and her warlording, is toxic masculinity. Just that ita also about her growth and recovery and its a point that she has to make up for a lot, most of all to herself. That she cant forgive herself the most and has to learn to accept kindness and that. Because she kinda is toxi masculine. Or revy from black lagoon, revy is that, its just clear its out of trauma and she is a tragic character , she is badass and complex, but also tragic. She got the violence to kill anyone in a fight but is no better. I mean it can be good writing to do that, if its actually shown as flawed .
@aquapendulum
3 ай бұрын
@@marocat4749 The last part is important. The framing of "strong" is part of the giveaway sign. Traits like those in a character shouldn't be framed as "strong", something to be proud of, but rather flaws. Without that framing, Revy turns into the twins in Wolfenstein Youngblood.
@mikzpwnz_3199
3 ай бұрын
So they either have a parody of the male action hero as the basis or one that's at the start of a character arc yet don't include the humbling event that causes them to start their development, or worse, have the "development" be that they were already perfect and it was everyone else just holding her back.
@D_YellowMadness
3 ай бұрын
@@marocat4749 Revi's one of the worst characters ever written & her trauma just makes it even more unforgivable that she tried to sell a kid. It's no surprise that the writer didn't understand/care about the nuance of writing an SA victim though, considering he's promoted SA drawings of Revi. He's just a gross person who likes having excuses to write gross things.
@sunlitsonata6853
3 ай бұрын
Those traits can be considered good writing, another great example besides Revy being Eva Ushiromiya from Umineko, but the important thing is to show these are FLAWS as a person and the ramifications of such.
@wigmanmania259
3 ай бұрын
Lately my process of writing women has been writing a character first and then flip a coin to decide gender
@vinroycrossman-walker6465
3 ай бұрын
I respect your method.
@mikonyx7712
3 ай бұрын
Sounds kinda fun to be honest
@mr.j3rs3y
3 ай бұрын
Seriously writing a character is writhing a character! It wouldn’t matter who I wrote for though, because I’m not a good writer XD.
@abbyadventure5689
3 ай бұрын
W pfp
@the_apotecary_from_tf2
3 ай бұрын
Same I then realized i'm bad at DRAWING women
@Mepphy99
3 ай бұрын
"write a character and his objective, everything else comes second" i think that should be the modus operandi for writing characters
@phorchybug3286
3 ай бұрын
Like a dead inside husk of a skull that demands motivation from a world that doesn't exist in his mind? That's what my brain feels like.
@Januaryof28
3 ай бұрын
@@phorchybug3286 emo brain maxxing
@Januaryof28
3 ай бұрын
sounds like a villain would be easier to do this for especially if theyre not human like sukuna
@superstarultra28
3 ай бұрын
You are right on the money, my friend.
@rodrigoreismarinho9552
2 ай бұрын
What if my characters objective is just... Survive.. just to live life as normal as they can while life does it's job to interfere at every moment? Is it just a slice of life or am i cooking something for real?! (In the context of the adventure genre)
@randomyoutuber2633
3 ай бұрын
Pomni actually feels pretty well-written so far. They didn't just give her anxiety and just make that her character, she can be snarky and sassy aswell and acts like a real person. Loona and other Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss characters on the other hand....
@TheAlienNerd.
2 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree with what you said + there's literally two episodes of tadc, it's not like a whole season or more and I believe as more episodes come out, the characters really start growing and who knows what's gonna be next, maybe jax in the next episode or gangle or even kinger and who knows if they eventually find a way to leave the digital world or not. Also the writing, animation, jokes and designs of this show along with other good ones like murder drones are * chef's kiss * And yeah, hazbin hotel and helluva boss... It's mid in my opinion, don't get me wrong there can be gorgeous animation and songs but the writing, character growth/designs, etc. they are honestly off putting to me but I wouldn't judge someone who likes the show & not toxic or terrible in general Also the cursing almost every single sentence got old quick, like I get that "they are in hell" but it's too much and although I don't really believe there is a heaven/hell, if there is tho I don't think imps and demons would talk like this at all. .-_-.
@Okus477
2 ай бұрын
@@TheAlienNerd.Personally I never to this day get why people prefer Hazbin over Helluva, okay, in such defence, Helluva has two seasons, but even then, despite the not so great development with characters and whatnot with both shows, Helluva has MUCH better character development than Hazbin. Pacing wise? Both are essentially the same but Hazbin had DREADFUL pacing, it’s technically not their fault if it had to do with their time managements, but that point still stands, therefore I hope Hazbin season 2 actually has better pacing and more character development. Also, Angel Dust was literally the ONLY one who had an episode dedicated to himself that gave us more character development than all of the other characters combined. Hazbin seems far too plot based and therefore unbalanced in my opinion, like, no disrespect to Carmilla, but why should I feel sorry for her when she sang and stuff when she’s only been on screen for like 10 seconds??? 💀 I don’t often use the skull emoji but I find it’s use here to essentially emphasise the fact that it’s almost as though Vivzie and all that expected us to care, like WHO EVEN ARE CARMILLA’S DAUGHTERS?! DID THEY EVEN SPEAK ONCE?! like sure, they were in the room, but Carmilla mourning over literal statues would have made more sense and emotion compared to her daughters who literally just sat there and were of no reason to be drawn into that scene in the first place.
@anonymousapproximation8549
2 ай бұрын
@@Okus477 The reason Hazbin
@Okus477
2 ай бұрын
@@anonymousapproximation8549 What? But both shows do? Unless I’m not getting something?
@anonymousapproximation8549
Ай бұрын
@@Okus477 Lesbian Couple
@undyne1
3 ай бұрын
I got asked this by a friend who was also writing a story, because I happened to be a woman who was writing a cast of characters, among them a female lead... All I said was: Just write a character that happens to be a woman. Don't focus on her gender *unless* it plays an important role in the plot, but even so don't make it her personality or shoehorn it. Same applies to a queer character, or a character of a certain ethnicity. Just write a character and a story that happened to be what they are, dont have it be the focus.
@marocat4749
3 ай бұрын
And you can do changes later. like rewrites are a thing and if there need to be changes, later.
@Cure_Hana
2 ай бұрын
A good example I can think of for a protagonist’s gender being relevant to the plot would probably be Heather Mason from Silent Hill 3. While she experiences just as much pain and torment as Harry and James before her, Heather’s story centers around themes that specifically apply to young women transitioning into adulthood. Fears such as stalking, exploitation, implied SA, unwanted pregnancy, body dysmorphia, and simply trying to survive in a world where misogyny still exists.
@undyne1
2 ай бұрын
@@Cure_Hana Exactly. It's fine if it's an important part of the character's story, so long as its not constantly told or its the only thing holding the character up. I'm a firm believer of "show, don't tell" for these things.
@anisecandy3108
3 ай бұрын
I'm kinda weirded out by the amount of "gender doesn't matter in writing characters!" in the comments because while this approach is like... good first step, you know, thinking about them as human first male/female second, it's important to still have it in mind. It's as much as a trait as somebody's age, race, sexuality, nationality... It shouldn't define them, but it is a factor you shouldn't just completly push it to the side. It's a part of their experience in the world and good writing should take that into account. And tbh this approach can lean to "writing man, slapping boobs on them"... Or denouncing femininity of the characters, because it "doesn't matter" after all.
@D_YellowMadness
3 ай бұрын
In a lot of situations though, that's only part of their personality the same way that sitting in chairs is part of a human's personality because chairs fit our bodies & sitting on the floor sucks It's good to keep in. A character can feminine or masculine regardless of whether they're female or male. You're right that it should be kept in mind to some degree though. Otherwise, you have characters not knowing things that basic life experience should have taught them because you forgot that their gender has different experiences from yours.
@PGOuma
3 ай бұрын
Not all women are "feminine" though... Whatever that means... It's different all over the world...
@anisecandy3108
3 ай бұрын
@@PGOuma Where did I say that they are?
@emblemblade9245
3 ай бұрын
You are absolutely correct OP. It’s certainly a good reproach to the problems modern Hollywood often has with writing its females but it’s more of a baseline of progress than the end all be all
@whiten4635
3 ай бұрын
I fo agree with the statement but I also understand the method of writing a character and their struggle and deciding their gender. It really depends on the plot, story, and problem. Not all problem, character development requires gender to be a center piece. There are a lot of well written characters that can definitely be written for both male and female. ALTHOUGH gender and identity those make a characters writing more compelling and often leads to stronger relatability and impact.
@williamangelo6732
3 ай бұрын
Me, who doesn't write anything that makes a single lick of sense: I don't have such weakness
@Duality2222-2
3 ай бұрын
Is it possible to learn such power?
@DE23
3 ай бұрын
@@Duality2222-2Hook up a random number generator to a dictionary
@ildemiurgochenuotanelgener1146
2 ай бұрын
@@Duality2222-2 Not from a surrealist
@emmychansuper
3 ай бұрын
I love how Jolyne grows as a female protagonist from the beginning to end. That's why she's my favorite Jojo after her own dad, Jotaro.
@emblemblade9245
3 ай бұрын
Jolyne’s growth is amazing and it makes me so mad when people act like Johnny is the only Jojo with character development
@commonviewer2488
3 ай бұрын
@@emblemblade9245So ridiculous. Jotaro has character development throughout every part he's in. As a stoic character, it is more subtle, but it's there.
@l0sts0ul89
3 ай бұрын
And Jonathan? From a weak rich kid to a badass monster slaying gentlemen, sure it isn't a lot but its srkll something
@VaclavRytina
2 ай бұрын
What about Gappy? My boy has so much development yet just a few people talk about him
@microcelltechnicalassistence
2 ай бұрын
@@VaclavRytina well he had to literally develop character, as he was no one
@DangericeDreams
3 ай бұрын
I honestly think Pomni is a really well-written character. The first episode just didn’t give her enough opportunity to express what kind of person she really is.
@pickyphysicsstudent201
3 ай бұрын
Right now she comes across as rather onenote and "audience surrogate". They are really playing into her innonce & vulnerability which are good things to make us sympathise with her so much, with this kind of story. Right now she is kind of the absence of writing, being filled in by fanon headcanons and whatever you can picture her doing. There is no wrong answer with her.
@dokuganryu1565
3 ай бұрын
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 Seeing as there's been only 1 ep aside from the pilot I guess that's just fine.
@anubis7457
3 ай бұрын
@@pickyphysicsstudent201Innocence? She abandoned Ragatha as soon as the exit popped up lol. She’s got a degree of selfishness in here.
@CountSpartula
3 ай бұрын
@@pickyphysicsstudent201There are literally only two episodes released so far you genetic pretzel.
@googleisevil8958
3 ай бұрын
@@anubis7457 To be fair she looked as though she was willing to help Ragatha until she touched her hand and Pomni saw her own started to glitch. Remember Ponmi was thrown into a digital world. She just met these people and is learning about the world around her. The latest episode showed her feeling more at home with these people. Slowly getting more accustomed to them. We'll probably see her open up more and more as the series continues.
@claytonrios1
3 ай бұрын
Jolyne is definitely a great example. Someone who doesn't feel like a carbon copy of Jotaro but definitely feels influenced by Arakis previous work regardless.
@IPlayKindred
3 ай бұрын
jolyne is so cool, she's the perfect example of a well written female character. because araki stated himself there's beraly any difference between writing women and men.
@titaniumcranium3755
3 ай бұрын
That's because araki didn't write her with his dick
@williambutcher7429
3 ай бұрын
Arakis??? Omg dune “Here lies our toppled god, His fall was not a small one. We did but build his pedestal, A narrow and a tall one”
@StiffyBallz
2 ай бұрын
Because she isn't focused on being female but is still able to be looked at as an inherently strong female character.
@updog9567
2 ай бұрын
Jolyne is a great character. She has both feminine (fashionable, althought that just runs in the family, caring, I'd even say she can be quite tender at times) and masculine traits (indenpendent, battle intelligence, sense of justice, aggressive against foes). And she quite literally kicks ass lmao. She doesn't get everything from the start, isn't unbeatable and always in the right because she's a woman, she has to struggle as much, probably even more, as her male ancestors and sometimes rely on those around her. She feels very human and is honestly incredibly inspiring. Araki cooked with her.
@purpleheartneptune6267
3 ай бұрын
I saw a Reddit post about writing women today and it gave ten tips that basically said write a woman like a normal person and not a sack of fat/just a love interest
@SS_Atlantic_Greyhound1119
2 ай бұрын
Could you link that maybe or tell me where I can find it please?
@TherandomshitstormerCXVII
2 ай бұрын
Rare Reddit W
@kingbash6466
3 ай бұрын
As much of meme Digital Circus can be, I really love Pomni's character so far. She definitely has attributes of anxiety that's all the rage these days, but she does have her moments where she isn't just a doormat like how she expresses her frustration with people like Jax, and her scenes of Gumigoo displays her compassionate side really well.
@Justapikachu577
2 ай бұрын
She's also rather snappy with Ragatha! Not appreciating how she's being heavily coddled by her (even if well intentioned), which i think is a great character trait to pair with Ragatha acting as the pseudo protagonist of ep 2
@zierragacha5089
8 сағат бұрын
@@Justapikachu577 She seemed a bit annoyed rather than snappy
@midnightgamer2088
3 ай бұрын
Pomni is unironically my favourite character in TADC, her anxiety attacks are realistic and relatable, she’s kind and supportive but can also be a little snarky. She is delightful!
@kenswords
2 ай бұрын
If anything, the main problem with TADC is that most of the other characters feel one-note. Of course, this works well in the favor of some characters (Caine and Bubble) and I really appreciate how they expanded more on Gangle’s character beyond her masks in episode 2. The others though feel like they’re losing their charm more. Of course, I could very well be wrong, but if I was, that would be very unfortunate because I’ve been working on a video essay about TADC. Being wrong would not be a good look for me Pomni is a great character though, you are right! I’m looking forward to the next episode, whenever that is.
@falco5148
3 ай бұрын
No Kamen, it's not about women, it's about writers sucking in general at everything in the last decade
@anubis7457
3 ай бұрын
New writing philosophy is NO subtlety and NO nuance. One side is clearly right, and one side is a Nazi.
@renren47618
3 ай бұрын
Yeah.
@theshinypeliper8813
3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@MrSpartan993
3 ай бұрын
Damn right.
@-obamium5320
3 ай бұрын
Ya most of the writers I’ve seen cant do the basics and yet they go out of their way to make nonsensical rules and over complicated the writing process.
@RogueOmega
3 ай бұрын
I feel like one of the hardest parts about trying to write a female character nowadays is dealing with the inevitable waifu-chasers. By that, I refer to people who hate slow burns, don't want to wait for more than maybe one or two seasons for the character who they want to claim as a waifu to get over their personal issues and turn into someone they can ship with an OC or outright self insert, and end up creating this personally idealized version of the character in their minds, only to get really pissy when the character doesn't turn out like that in canon. Another thing I've noticed over time is that a lot of people who try and criticize writing choices for shows still in their early seasons are usually people who are used to writing one off, individual short stories or, for the slightly more qualified, amateur novels, rather than long, drawn out things that would last across multiple seasons' worth of time. These people really don't know quite as much of what they're talking about as they like to proclaim. Yes, you're writers, but for things that are self contained and much shorter than a show that's planned to last for several years. And finally, something that I touched on in the first part of this comment but am going to explain a bit more in depth: People hate waiting these days. I've noticed that ANY time a character from some indie webtoon or show or whatever gets a massive online following, people start scrambling to try and basically write the character themselves instead of waiting to see how things go in canon. People end up creating this idealized version of a character for themselves, and end up growing more attached to their idealized version of that character than to the actual canon version of that character, to the point that they start to feel like anything the writers for the actual show do with that character that deviates from their own idealized version of them is "bad writing". So in short, stop trying to push writers to rush character developments just so you can have your waifus, shut up and learn some patience, and for the love of god people, go outside, touch grass, and talk to some real women instead of getting overly attached to fictional female characters. I'm sorry that this is so bitingly rude, but this is stuff that's been frustrating me for a while. Yes, writing for stuff has gotten worse these days, but you know what? So have fanbases.
@Cardboard449
3 ай бұрын
It’s kinda what happened to the purple bunny guy in digital circus, or maybe not, it’s more like people didn’t like him anymore because he acted like a jerk in the 1st episode.
@PGOuma
3 ай бұрын
No, you're definitely spot on!!
@emblemblade9245
3 ай бұрын
You’re so freaking right
@EggMortis
2 ай бұрын
yeah... noticed this with Wally Darling from the ARG Welcome Home. There are so many fan versions of that puppet and a scarily immediate demand to know how the creator felt about ppl sexualising their characters...
@pickyphysicsstudent201
3 ай бұрын
It was surreal seeing Aoi (Blue Angel) in the thumbnail. This genuinely seems like one of the only channels which talks about Yugioh outside of typical Yugitubers. Its strange to think that Yugioh had like zero cultural impact, even in interent culture in the 2010s (Zexel, Arc-V & VRAINS) there was no discussion of Yugioh besides maybe YGOTAS. It wouldn't surprise me if the average person believed Yugioh ended back in the 00s.
@Mangakamen
3 ай бұрын
I mean, I know a couple of others, and I am planning a yugioh video next week about a certain character...
@DarkPrince-yj1vf
3 ай бұрын
@@MangakamenLet me guess Crow?
@ryanaing5302
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I've noticed that not many KZitemrs ever talk about the Yugioh anime, outside of the Yugioh-centered Youtbers. The same goes for Digimon and what happened with Ghost Game, being the trainwreck that it is.
@mythicalclouds5731
3 ай бұрын
Now that i think about it the closest thing that was ever relevant from Yugioh was that "It should have been me" meme.
@riotkitty
3 ай бұрын
Nah the anime hype train picked back up with Arc V, likely due to the dimension hopping aspect and sick character design. It was actually insane being in card shops and people had entire binders organized to a tee with the anime characters’ cards. So many custom mats and sleeves featuring them, booths even. Talking about the latest episodes, crazy theory videos we all saw. Not as much as Duel Monsters cause that is the OG, but still. And then it dropped back down again with Vrains and especially the Rush era Yugioh.
@Marrianno
3 ай бұрын
Tbh, as a woman, i dont think advise of "just write a character that happened to be a woman" is apropriate for many cases. Women and men, depending on time and location of the story, have different social expectations and pressures, their expiriences can be vastly different and(more often than not)they were raised in gendered ways. That doesn't mean that a female character should 24/7 brag about sexism,and it shouldn't be her entire character. Just dont make "I'm a woman" her defining trait
@dream-lh4pc
2 ай бұрын
Exactly
@turqussy
2 ай бұрын
REALEST THING TO BE REALES
@reoij
21 күн бұрын
This exactly
@axesaw2210
3 ай бұрын
you suck at writing women characters because you only know how to write men I suck at writing women characters because I don't know how to write characters we are not the same
@bluedragonstudios9004
3 ай бұрын
Ironically, my second book is going to have a female protagonist just as my side series features one as well.
@Mangakamen
3 ай бұрын
Good luck!
@bluedragonstudios9004
3 ай бұрын
@@Mangakamen thanks, and so far i am currently going through editing suggestions of my second book after my editor looked through it.
@bluedragonstudios9004
3 ай бұрын
And also so far in terms of my side series that I called TIS Epics, I have a prologue and the first chapter released so far
@cosmicspacething3474
3 ай бұрын
People talking about Pomni when Ragatha and Gangle are right there
@midnightgamer2088
3 ай бұрын
But they aren’t as developed yet
@somanygoodfandoms
2 ай бұрын
it's literally the second episode???
@rga1605
3 ай бұрын
The way I see is that the issue with the "write characters first, traits (like if it's male, female or other) later" is that these traits might also be fundamental to the characters, what kind of story does the writer want to tell? Depending on that question, these traits can be more or less important
@aitanacruz9882
3 ай бұрын
Yeah! For example I do historical fantasy and if you write say a character from ancient rome then their gender will ABSOLUTELY shape who they are.
@billcipher8645
2 ай бұрын
@@aitanacruz9882depends. If you want it to be historically accurate then that's obvious but with historical fantasies you don't have to limit yourself to what our world shaped as gender roles, create your own ones or even define gender in completely different ways. I feel like too many people restrain themselves to historical accuracy in the gender roles department when everything else isn't accurate whatsoever - it's so deeply ingrained in some people for some reason
@aitanacruz9882
2 ай бұрын
@@billcipher8645 I disagree, but maybe we have different definitions of historical fantasy. To me historical fantasy isn't a fantasy world inspired by a historical setting, it's historical fiction but with a fantasy element (as far as I know, at least). You generally want it to be as accurate to reality as possible outside of the fantasy you added. Like if I write a story about the Roman Empire but with some vampires added in, I'm not going to remake the entire roman culture because the premise is to see a real life culture that we know interact with a fantasy creature. Now, their interactions might bring some changes, including changes on gender roles, but those changes NEED to be as a result of those vampires being introduced, not just because it's historical fantasy and I can make up whatever I want about the romans. Basically it's Urban Fantasy but in the past. Urban Fantasy generally tries to be like our 'normal', contemporary world.
@konradklukowski1009
3 ай бұрын
I heard somewhere: “don’t write female characters, white characters that happen to be female.” edit. I think i made a echo chamber.
@Mangakamen
3 ай бұрын
yup
@teslapunk5999
3 ай бұрын
Agreed
@clamthechef2389
3 ай бұрын
Quite so.
@undyne1
3 ай бұрын
It's not an echo-chamber, it's a mutual agreement towards *facts.*
@MissRora
3 ай бұрын
Holds true for any other group. They should be characters first and female/gay/[ethnicity] second, if not further down the list. Unfortunately, a lot of large media companies, especially here in the West, seem to like hiring people who do the opposite in recent years.
@AllHailTheQueenUwU
3 ай бұрын
I really like your analysis on how to write a female character or a character in general and acknowledge that you are not a professional just someone who loves writing, drawing and characters in general, totally a subscriber now❤
@Mangakamen
3 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard and hope you enjoy my future videos :)
@meesaikozhi71
3 ай бұрын
Yo the person that created that tadc fan game and undertale-esk AU- the h
@suncoxk
3 ай бұрын
I like donuts is that good enough of a comment?
@VoltFall
3 ай бұрын
Ngl that's a good opinion Plain or?
@jacktyger5436
3 ай бұрын
Yes I like donuts too
@suncoxk
3 ай бұрын
@@jacktyger5436 cool👍
@andresvargas119
3 ай бұрын
Yes it is my guy
@StiffyBallz
2 ай бұрын
just had a s'mores donut dude that shit was so good
@TwilightWolf032
3 ай бұрын
5:15 That Ruby slide! XD Really miss the days of Volume 1, when she was the actual protagonist...
@Mangakamen
3 ай бұрын
I mean, she grew into becoming a protag - it's just that the writers really dragged their heels.
@TwilightWolf032
3 ай бұрын
@@Mangakamen Too little too late, though.
@riotkitty
3 ай бұрын
Your words at the beginning remind me of Star Wars The Acolyte. At least from what I’ve seen, all of the women are stoic and inexpressive. They don’t have any human parts to them, a personality, likes & dislikes. I think that’s why the ‘strong female’ archetype has largely been loathed as of late. Cause of a lack of humanity and feeling like real people to be relatable. Hey Loona and Milly may not have the deepest characters but at least they have humanity in them, personality, relationships, etc.
@e-122psi3
3 ай бұрын
One consistency I've noticed with Helluva Boss is how they handle the backstories. Most of the male characters get proper flashbacks, while the female ones tend to be just exposition (besides Loona's which as you mentioned was from Blitzo's POV rather than her''s). Barbie Wire isn't in any of the circus flashbacks with Fizz or Blitz either for some reason for example. It takes away a layer of humanity, sort of a 'take our word on it, WE can be trusted' from how the girls are viewing things. Now I don't know whether this is an intentional format or not, because its sister show certainly doesn't do this (see Vaggie's backstory), in fact Hazbin Hotel despite arguably having far less morally dubious females I'd argue does a much better job humanizing them and making them feel like complex vulnerable characters that are growing (Charlie's arc in particular is a total deconstruction of the supporting female, she actively TRIES to be the unhumanized messiah for everyone but has to accept she is a flawed character with her own baggage to tend to). It leaves me wondering whether Helluva just actively chooses to keep the females in supporting roles, to make it clearer it is Blitzo's show, or is planning to blindside us at some point with some big context (or alternatively wanted to but couldn't, given I've heard varying stories of personal events prevented Loona's VA performing as much as they wanted). Like Season Two is clearly more about Blitzo coming to terms with his vices, maybe after he's developed, the other characters will have their shortcomings developed more, now they can confide in a more matured Blitzo.
@SariyaJohnson-pr8vv
3 ай бұрын
How to write a female character: Step 1: Write a character Step 2: Make it female
@125friends8
2 ай бұрын
Step 2 optional
@Stinkfly3
3 ай бұрын
12:59 It was actually Carly’s Japanese voice actress who was in hot water. Akiza was affected by proxy because the writers tried to remove all cult aspects due to the controversy.
@CountShaman
3 ай бұрын
Off topic but 2:08 Oooooh a Stolas Terrible Characters video would be delicious for me to chew on. I'm inches away from grilling him on a stove and it's not even funny.
@midnightgamer2088
3 ай бұрын
That is way funnier than it has any right to be 😭
@thatoneguylegit9219
3 ай бұрын
Seeing Aoi (Skye) Zaizen is so fitting. She’s a true victim of the wharf effect. She’s reportedly strong and battles big bads, but she catches so few Ws that it’s hard to not feel bad for her (especially after her face plant)
@BurningAzure
3 ай бұрын
And hell, her overall arc outside of that makes her probably my favorite character in Vrains (I don't think her duel with Spectre regresses her character btw).
@heffyhoof
3 ай бұрын
In defense of Vizzepop's female characters, all of the characters and story are awfully written.
@Nightman221k
3 ай бұрын
That’s the best that can be said about her writing.
@riotkitty
3 ай бұрын
I don’t know if I’d call it exactly completely awful. There are times when Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss have endeared me to their characters. Moreso I’d call it scatterbrained writing that makes up an inconsistent puzzle. Some pieces are gems while others are slop.
@cassiushellsin6243
3 ай бұрын
Bruh… in the latest episode of Helluva Boss, they have Martha and Miss Mayberry as a lesbian couple. Vivzipop shipped the sinner with the lady who MURDERED HER FAMILY AND SENT HER TO HELL LMAOOOOOO That is SUCH A TUMBLR MOVE I CANT 😭 😭 😭
@heffyhoof
3 ай бұрын
@@cassiushellsin6243 Nearly every main character boils down to 'I'm gay, sassy and have a "traumatic" past'. Tumbler is a great way to describe it.
@cassiushellsin6243
3 ай бұрын
@@heffyhoof I’ve called Helluva Boss the “Animated Tumblr Blog written by a porn addict” Seriously, considering Vivziepop can’t handle criticism, her writing has never improved. She’s stuck in her edgey phase and still writes both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel like she wrote Zoophobia. It all makes sense 💀
@garibaldibritann1240
3 ай бұрын
The female character trope that i don't like which isn't featured on this video is the unnecesary fanservice (this is also extent to male characters too). Like example of character having sex appeal in one scene that isn't established for the said character and downright ruined the scenery especially towards the scene that the audiences wants to be taken seriously. I'm not against fanservice i mean it's normal to have fanservices in entertainment media and it's normal to have interest with characters that don't have any sex appeal but unintentionally has it. Hell, i like characters that solely for fanservice but forced fanservice isn't for me
@Mangakamen
3 ай бұрын
I mean, I made a video talking about Fanservice...
@Fourger14
3 ай бұрын
I feel jabaited by the title. Thought there would be some writing advice or something, but it's just plot summaries rattled off in sequence for the events surrounding some female characters from some things.
@greysonsammons2787
3 ай бұрын
The irony of the editor gag is that it just gave the editor more work 💀
@skyrogue1977
3 ай бұрын
29:46 I’ve been thinking for a while now that Yukako was robbed of having a bigger part in finding Kira. As he essentially almost murdered Koichi, the boy she loves and does kill Aiya, the one responsible for helping her and Koichi to get together. So it seems like a missed opportunity.
@KirbyFrontier
3 ай бұрын
Part 4 in general seems like lots of characters were meant to have much larger roles after Kira's reveal (including a panel showing all of them together with a determined look on their face) but for whatever reason, that idea got dropped and the remainder of that series only had Josuke and Rohan as the main characters for the most part (with Koichi getting one battle vs Sheer Heart Attack and Yukako getting the Cinderalla one which wasn't related to Kira at all and that's it). Part 8, which is practically the Part 4 of the new timeline, ended up having the same issue, probably for the same reasons (likely Araki wanted a large cast of good guys like Part 4 but ended up being unable to utilize it, again like Part 4)
@updog9567
2 ай бұрын
@@KirbyFrontier Part 4 fell into the 'villain of the week' trap after the Kira reveal, characters outside of the very main cast stopped appearing in arcs or getting more development. Okuyasu got done firty af tbh, one of the presumed main characters and he's constantly sidelined. The RHCP arc was looking good, but in the end it didn't really matter because Okuyasu's arc didn't get resolved at all, he didn't get any closure, didn't learn anything new, iirc he didn't even participate in the final battle against RHCP. Him accidentally letting Yoshihiro escape seemed like a beginning to an episode focusing on him and his insecurities about being 'dumb' and naive, but nothing came out of it. Okuyasu doesn't even get a real battle aside from his introduction arc and he barely uses The hand at all.
@MagicalMaster
3 ай бұрын
This never seemed hard to me. Don't write female characters. Write an entire character and give them female traits. The important part is an entire character, motivations, histories, flaws, strengths and things they're just kinda meh at. All of this is needed for a full fleshed out character, male, female or whatever the hell they are.
@aedaniammx7559
3 ай бұрын
EXACTLY, this is always how I’ve done things no matter what character I’m writing. First comes the purpose they serve in the most general sense, then comes their personality and how they act, react, and interact with the world and characters around them, and THEN comes less impactful details like gender, sexuality, and visual design, because they aren’t as important to the character themself, they’re nuances to what should already be established
@starbird3939
3 ай бұрын
I feel the issue I have with female characters is that they are usually forced to be a Love Interest. Their plotlines is revolving around romance, their partner, or something bad happens to them to affect their partner. They are the wife, the girlfriend, the lost lenore, or the love interest. It be nice if they can do stuff not related to romance.
@mimicray
2 ай бұрын
reasons that I suck at writing women: 1. I suck at writing
@jaywerner8415
3 ай бұрын
WOW..... ya know I knew Millie and Loona where done dirty, but DAME "the other secondary characters got more development" before they have. Like hold up for a second and lets THINK, besides being "Blitz's daughter" and "Moxie's Wife" what do we really know about them? Not much. Those other characters weren't even in the FREAKING PILOT (besides Stolas)! Loona at least got SOME screen time on her own which is nice, and Millie got a SHORT with her SISTER. As noted on other videos, Hellvua boss basically has 2 stories going on: I.M.P and their relationships and 2. Stolas Family Drama. I can kinda understand ignoring Millie since if i recall she is supposed to be the only one with no Trama. But besides her being from the Wrath Ring and being a Country girl..... she just exists to BAIL OUT Moxxie from whatever shit he gets put into and Make Out with Moxxie, cus its a running joke. And somehow I doupt the episodes coming in latter half of this year are going to do her much justice. IGNORING LOONA however is just tragic. She is the only "family" Blitz has at this point since his Sister is just DONE with him. She has her moments and clearly is Loyal to and Cares about Blitz (possibly "I owe him" for getting her out of the pound), but outside of that and her Crush on Tex...... We really don't know much about her, except her age. Plus the possibly of fleshing out Octavia as well via proxy and the 2 of them have alot in common.
@BeeRitual
3 ай бұрын
Good timing. Stolas is so annoying and appology tour totally vindicated his bad behavior, like, dubconning Blitz and being classist/speciesist to imps. So I cannot wait for the Stolas video. I hope you touch on appology tour too, even though it just came out
@D_YellowMadness
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, that really annoyed me. Stola acknowledged his mistakes in the previous episode & tried to be better only for the new episode to be like "Just kidding. Everything is Blitzo's fault. See, people literally hold a house party every year to celebrate their hatred of Blitzo because he's so terrible." They even tried to make us feel bad for Verosika (a sex predator) just so we'd think Blitzo is even more awful by comparison.
@BeeRitual
3 ай бұрын
@D_YellowMadness i disagree with your take on Verosika, I actually think Blitz is wrong about a lot and very flawed, I like that character aspect And the people he hurt at the party, like Verosika are valid. My issue is that Stolas doesn't belong there. Stolas is not an innocent party who got hurt, he actively behaved badly and Blitz treated him likewise. Then Stolas got mad that Blitz didn't Romanticize the sex he was forced to have. He is not sympathetic, Blitz is not always the victim, but with Stolas he was
@megankissinger8269
2 ай бұрын
@@BeeRitualI've never considered either of them victims in their arrangement. Blitz broke in and came on to Stolas while the latter was backing away and told him they shouldn't be doing this, then gave him a mercy screw for the sake of stealing the book. And he strung Stolas along knowing he has the bigger reputation to lose if they get caught. Stolas was definitely wrong to use that one night stand for monthly sex thereafter, but they've both been selfish users to each other from day 1.
@BeeRitual
2 ай бұрын
@megankissinger8269 Blitz had to steal the book because imps are second-class citizens without the power and durability of the royal ruling class. Stolas has influence but never care about the lesser classes who suffer under this caste system. Stolas is a nepo baby born into riches and privlage while Blitz struggled and worked his whole life for what he has now. But in their relationship, Stolas isolated Blitz in his bedroom and came onto him FIRST, Blitz responded "ew" but went with it when he saw an opportunity to get the book. Stolas got nervous because he's never been with a man but at no point did he not want the forward flirting, he is like superman levels of overpowered, he could have stopped Blitz at any moment. But Blitz couldn't say no to Stolas without risking the book being withheld. I don't think stolas did that on purpose, but it's a fact none the less. Blitz doesn't know how Stolas would react to being rejected, all his knowledge about royals tells him it probably won't go good. So every every point Stolas has all the power and Blitz has none, which is why the deal is inherently dub-con and consent cannot exist in that situation
@megankissinger8269
2 ай бұрын
@@BeeRitual While it's true imps are second class citizens, that doesn't mean he's entitled to other people's belongings. Stolas was under no obligation to let him have the book just because he's rich and privileged. It's illegal and risky for both of them. Stolas also kept backing away when Blitz was coming on to him and questioned if they should even be doing this. Blitz got him down on the bed anyway. I get Stolas has held power over Blitz and treated him like a sex object, and he owes Blitz a massive apology. Blitz has also been using him knowing he's at risk to lose everything if he gets caught over loaning out the book, and he was stringing him along after Ozzie's. The fact that he was breaking the law and didn't care about the effect on Stolas makes him at best marginally better.
@poliswag6666
3 ай бұрын
okay, this is gonna be a *wild* recommendation, but here it goes: Homestuck has one of the best written Female characters i have *ever* seen in Media
@ArmageddonD11
3 ай бұрын
if you're referring to Vriska then prepare for Strife...
@poliswag6666
3 ай бұрын
@@ArmageddonD11 Nooo.. not Vriska, im tired of that egghead lmao
@D_YellowMadness
3 ай бұрын
Homestuck is full of well written female characters. Not sure how to feel about Vriska though. She was written to be awful on purpose but well... She sure is awful.
@FenrirToboe
3 ай бұрын
In the case for Luna, her voice actor had to take some time off because her boyfriend had died, so luna didn’t get a lot of screen time, which doesn’t help with her character development
@draccqueen1770
3 ай бұрын
This is a common misconception. These were recorded before that happened. Her being left out was mostly to save money.
@tster
3 ай бұрын
That's an excuse. There's to much time that passed to use that as an excuse.
@ThatguycalledJoe
3 ай бұрын
Nine times out of ten - Don't write women. Don't write men. Write people. The details don't matter that much. The one time out of ten is if the story's setting makes that really, really matter, I.E. something with a historical pretense about a woman pre-women's rights. If you can't handle that, you really only have three options. Research, write something else, or just sputter in place and don't write anything at all because you don't want to write anything else but you can't be bothered to research.
@Chris-jx4ij
3 ай бұрын
12:35 It actually makes sense that Divine survives getting eaten by Ccarayhua. After all, every soul that was sacrificed to the Earthbound Immortals get restored to life once the Earthbound Immortal that has their souls inside of it pops.
@ZekDraco
3 ай бұрын
Wait Tori meadows was sexualized in the show? Where?
@sirensoulegaming4158
3 ай бұрын
Throwing my reply in not because I have an answer but so that when you get an answer I'm notified of it. I do not recall a single instance where Tori was sexualized, then again it has been a long time since I watched Zexal.
@riotkitty
2 ай бұрын
I don’t recall that either and I’ve watched Zexal like five times. Where? I’m legit confused
@playmaker7871
Ай бұрын
It happens often in the sub, if you watched the dub you wouldn’t see it Watch that one episode in ZeXaL II with the rules guy in sub and you’ll see why
@saraashley464
3 ай бұрын
I suck at writing. It has nothing to do with gender
@tintor2
3 ай бұрын
Forgot. Jujutsu's only skilled female sorcerer in season 2 ended into incest... Ugghh... There was also a bluehaired girl who seemed to have a Lot in development only to end with pseudo Geto casually breaking her weapon
@GuiltlessGear
3 ай бұрын
I actually laughed when that fucking happened not because i thought it was funny, but because "of COURSE he'd pull some shit like this."
@sheila19954
2 ай бұрын
Yeah he's notoriously shit at writing female characters
@InternetSexyLoser
2 ай бұрын
What about Nobara?
@updog9567
2 ай бұрын
[spoilers for season 2] Jjk female characters aren't as well written as people claim, after 1st season ends the Kyoto school is forgotten about and everyone either dies or fades into the background. I gotta admit the finale of s1 was great and really set Nobara apart from your typical shonen female characters, but she did nothing after that. Generally, I'd say most of the characters in JJK suffer from wasted potential.
@aldwych285
3 ай бұрын
I was actually surprised that Pomni became calm and relatable to gumigoo. It's like she had only 2 episodes of character development.
@Annie-wy5mc
2 ай бұрын
Or that she was trauma bonding with him, maybe Pomni has been like that from the start, she's just panicking. And you can't think straight when you're panicking
@aldwych285
2 ай бұрын
@@Annie-wy5mc I guess so. But don't you think it's kinda weird or odd that a character (more specifically the main character of a show) gets like 2 episodes of character development? Like I'm aware that some characters in a show need development but don't you think it's a little too fast to develop?
@Zetact_
3 ай бұрын
Yu-Gi-Oh's issues arguably largely stem from the influence of Yoshida Shin, who basically took the mantle as the main creative director after Takahashi retired from the franchise. The guy outright admits he is uncomfortable with writing female characters and he obviously has issues with playing favorites. As soon as the Bridge series started they came out swinging with a whole lineup of great female characters and the largest complaint that can be hedged against the Bridge anime on a character writing perspective is that it has so many characters that are worth following it's really hard to balance out the screentime.
@BurningAzure
3 ай бұрын
Hell, there are actually some male characters I think get thrown under the bus more than Aoi in Vrains.
@brunosanto3488
3 ай бұрын
Funny, but I feel like SEVENS had that problem more than GO RUSH. SEVENS had a bigger cast and several of them, who are important, had to be left aside or put in the background since the focus had to be placed on the Main Group (see Goha Siblings) GO RUSH does not have a very large cast, but it knows who its Main Characters are and who its recurring Supporting Characters are. The rest is a complement or is in the background.
@anasiss1992
3 ай бұрын
The bird characters seem to be poorly written. Enough so that some would call the writing... Fowl. I regret nothing
@nwonknu-
3 ай бұрын
*Female Characters. AHHHHHH. Usually I have to correct people to say "women" instead of "females", but in this instance, you'd say "female characters" because "female" is an adjective whereas "women characters" is two nouns next to each other. No hate tho ;-;
@bobowon5450
3 ай бұрын
never understood why people have such distaste for the word "female" but i've never once seen anyone bothered by the term "male"
@riotkitty
2 ай бұрын
@@bobowon5450 me neither. It’s so dumb, saying a woman is a female is like saying rain is water. It is a simple observation.
@pancakepop680
Ай бұрын
What about male? Nothing wrong with female/male at all. I can only think of one scenario where it is - where you say one, but the other as "woman/man", insinuating a distance in humanity. There's a whole subreddit about "men and females" because incels are so brain damaged and they use that language a lot.
@cathygrandstaff1957
3 ай бұрын
I don’t think Millie and Loona lack motivation. Millie is a working girl, her motivation is earning a paycheck while she coincidentally gets to work alongside the husband she adores doing a job she’s good at and coincidentally keeping him alive. You can argue that’s not a very interesting character because she’s already achieved her immediate goals and that’s fair but that doesn’t make her a badly written character. Actually she’s rather refreshing next to the drama llamas the series likes to focus on.
@Mangakamen
3 ай бұрын
"You can argue that’s not a very interesting character because she’s already achieved her immediate goals and that’s fair but that doesn’t make her a badly written character. Actually she’s rather refreshing next to the drama llamas the series likes to focus on." You do realize you don't need to make her into a drama llama to make her a compelling character, hell, I'd argue the fact that she's got nothing going on other than a paycheck is actually pretty boring, and to say that it's 'refreshing' shows a lot more issues with the series than just her. And I noticed that you didn't say a thing about Loona, even though you brought her up.
@ShadowSkyX
2 ай бұрын
Sometimes, having a character that doesn't change much is a good thing, even a character driven story. People like them exist. They get by, and are happy enough with their lot and no outlying goals to push themselves or motivate them enough; if they are satisfied, there's no need. Not everyone is overtly driven once they reach a certain point. Though i think it helps when other characters acknowledge that the static character becomes a kind of grounded stability to those who's lives are in upheaval. Like "oh thank goodness this place/person is still the same." The consistency and familarity is comforting, even if it can be seen as frustrating to some depending on the personality. You don't have to be surly and rude to be tough. Some of the nicest people are the stoic ones, who know others count on them and rely on them in varying ways. You don't always need personal tragedy to have empathy or give good advice.
@Will-uv9kx
3 ай бұрын
Ive seen good and bad women and men in literature but it seems like those who make an attempt in the name of taking a stand for women or a male feminist often fall super flat plus it comes across sad. There are tonnes of great women characters from before this was even a concept. Take casca from berserk. Excellent charachter in a male dominated world who still is strong without it coming over forced...
@D_YellowMadness
3 ай бұрын
Until the writer had her get SA'd & basically become a feral animal even though none of the male characters became feral animals when they got SA'd. All for the sake of the character arcs of Guts & Griffith.
@dmvs-bt1hk
3 ай бұрын
@@D_YellowMadness Exactly lmao, I was surprised to see Casca here because apparently a woman being a knight is a qualification enough to be an 'excellent character'/'great woman', when in reality we never see her actual combat prowess as it's often overshadowed by guts with a lewd moment or whatever and the entire story places her as a plot device to drive forward the tension of guts and Griffith, of which Griffith raped Casca and would "enjoy it" even without the god hand (author's words), Casca basically tries to pursue Griffith all along the story and decides to get with Guts after realizing she can't. Basically a non personality that encapsulates the chasing damsel who is constantly rescued also when she was mindfucked until she eventually got repaired with Guts' help.
@corebee-dv9rg
2 ай бұрын
as a woman I can confirm that writing women is very easy just it's same process as writing man. sure someone gender could influence their story/habits but it's not something to overthink if that don't happen
@ChiefMedicPururu
3 ай бұрын
Even women can badly write about women.
@Annie-wy5mc
2 ай бұрын
I guess being a woman doesn't make you good at writing women, because Vivzie exist. But in her defense, her writing for any character besides maybe Blitz sucks ass.
@InternetSexyLoser
6 күн бұрын
Gender Equality
@Achieme
3 ай бұрын
Its simple give them positive and negative traits, treat them like characters that folks would/can actually care about. Show how strong are but vulnerable. Give them a compelling backstory as well as a dynamic relationship with other characters that bounce around one another.
@brayenmorrison3199
3 ай бұрын
Man, Videogame, Movie, TV-Series etc. Writers nowadays should take notes from this.
@InternetSexyLoser
Ай бұрын
Heck even modern Hollywood.
@mrnobody9611
3 ай бұрын
How to write a female character: 1: Make a normal character 2: Make them a woman Thats it.
@Annie-wy5mc
2 ай бұрын
Easier said than done, writing is so fucking hard no matter how good you could do it there's always this one thing that a critic manage to find and will call you out on it. But i guess no character is perfect, and it's not impossible to make a good character.
@bobowon5450
3 ай бұрын
the worst issue i tend to see with people writing women is just writing men but with boobs. Turns out women are slightly more complex/different.
@riotkitty
3 ай бұрын
I have to wonder due to your immense hatred of Crow Hogan, if you hold similar animosity towards VRAINS Homura Takeru (Theodore Hamilton in the dub) aka Soulburner who in my opinion is a worse Crow, who comes out of nowhere to literally sideline both Go Onizuka and Aoi Zaizen.
@planetmars8627
3 ай бұрын
write a male character then change out the pronouns, that easy.
@dragonturtle2703
3 ай бұрын
But don’t you sort or need some characters that aren’t well fleshed out and stuff? Ones that are ultimately more narrative tools or background dressing or whatever? There is only so much you can flesh out after all, and that has the chance to fractal out as they’ve met more people who, of no focus is shifted to them., become that themselves.
@riotkitty
3 ай бұрын
I think this goes for any person writing a character: make sure they’re fulfilling whatever role they’re given to the best of their ability. Minor or major. If they’re minor characters, probably don’t need complex characterization and instead is affective at conveying to the audience their impact, however minuscule. It is interesting that this video brings up Jojo’s as my favorite lady in that series is Erina Pendleton, the apple of Jonathan Joestar’s eye. I find her to be great at the roles she’s given, as a girlfriend, as a loving wife who never found another man, an equally loving mother & grandmother who acts as a stern moral compass while carrying on her husband’s legacy. She mattered & fit in the story in her own perfectly ordinary way with not much development, and that is just fine. Thats also kinda why I don’t particularly mind that Millie doesn’t really have character development, because her role in Helluva Boss fits her specifically, it doesn’t need much complexity. Loona on the other hand, while she was initially just a secondary character, as the plot focused more on her, she should’ve gotten to feel more important in her role in the story. For someone like Blue Angel, it is way more important for her character to develop as she was given a greater impression of being the female lead of Vrains. More major role, more major character, therefore there must be greater importance on development or at least being consistent instead of regressing.
@necrosteel5013
3 ай бұрын
being "human" is cringe, it's being compelling that matters. they can be as simple as a one note gag or as complex as a full blown philosophical perspective. you can have a character that is outright inhuman, but they have to have something compelling and they can easily become good.
@minimalbstolerance8113
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I can't write female characters, or indeed any characters at all. Being both autistic and sheltered, there's no way I can hope to write about a fictional character's hopes, dreams, desires, goals, likes, dislikes, history, and relationships,when 90% of the time, I couldn't even tell you what MY hopes, dreams, etc. are, and the other 10% of the time my answer is "Why is that important?" I can't write characters, only hollow shells, because I myself am a hollow shell.
@Sonadourge
3 ай бұрын
I'm going to watch this and keep yugioh female characters in mind the entire time
@SSKJ64
3 ай бұрын
Why did you draw Pomni with *B R E A T S ?*
@Skul1ManEXE
2 ай бұрын
*B R E A T S*
@125friends8
2 ай бұрын
Noob extra pro max
@SSKJ64
2 ай бұрын
@@125friends8 *Confisuon*
@Annie-wy5mc
2 ай бұрын
BECAUSE B R E A T S
@syppy7416
2 ай бұрын
"Why You Suck at Writing Women Characters" probably because I suck at writing
@mmicb0b
3 ай бұрын
as a former yugioh fan this thumbnail gave me ptsd (Now Aoi's mistreatment wasn't the only ISSUE I have with VRAINS let alone the only issue with the franchise but her mistreament represents the BIGGEST problem with VRAINS any time it had the chance to do ANYTHING interesting it chooses to put everyone on a bus so a gary stu who is an unlikable asshole with no traits other than I'm an asshole can solo everything Aoi's arc sounds amazign on paper but nope)
@thatman666
2 ай бұрын
Yusei 2.0, surely fans would love... (gets outclassed by Ai who's a better character)
@mmicb0b
Ай бұрын
@@thatman666 I genuinely don't know whose worse Yusei or Yusaku both have a lot of the same issues but Yusei has almost no personality beyond generic good guy where as Yusaku is an asshole
@LeviAckerman-l2z
3 ай бұрын
arcane on netflix was some of the best well written female characters i have ever seen in animated media the whole show is 10 out of good so if u haven't seen it do yourself a favor rly good show
@Annie-wy5mc
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, Arcane's female characters are amazing.
@1001johny
3 ай бұрын
I'm going through Lost Judgment myself at the moment. I want to mention that there is an Eastern approach to writing female characters that is different to Western writers. That is what is feminine is a little different. Recognizing what both are helps raise awareness for feminine traits to write women. I think you'd have made a stronger point if you had focused on what's feminine about these women. For example had Jolene have been a boy, what would be different about being in prison? What feminine strengths benefits Jolene character now that she's in this tough situation?
@BEEGTHEBEEG
3 ай бұрын
"My written women are purposely bad because it is part of the plot. Get rekt critics!" - some guy purposely writing women wrong because it is part of the plot.
@InternetSexyLoser
Ай бұрын
They also use demographic like shonen as an excuse, look like one piece has well written females so WHAT IS YOUR EXCUSE!?
@abbeybelanger8118
Ай бұрын
Saw this comment on another video that summed it up well: "Don't write strong female characters, write strong characters that happen to be women"
@Holly-khore-levina
3 ай бұрын
Ah, Poor Aoi. The eternal jobber. Like honestly 2/3 of the problem is that the writers of the story kept pitting her against characters the plot won't let lose (in the case of Spectre he was the first other Lost Incident child, and therefore narratively it makes sense to have him and Playmaker go up against each other, so god cards forbid he lose up to that point)
@sirensoulegaming4158
3 ай бұрын
Indeed, her entire purpose is to be the punching bag to show off the power of whoever the new antagonist is (major or minor). It really sucks because there was definitely a compelling character in there somewhere.
@Awesomot34
3 ай бұрын
It is still so funny to me how this man blatantly DESPISES Yu Gi Oh yet still continues to talk about it for some reason
@LunaTheUmbreon322
3 ай бұрын
tbh... would be intrested to see a video on the downfall of yuzu and serena from arc v, as holy hell, i would say they had more potental then all the other yugioh girls, double for serena, as she is (to my information) the only yugioh girl who does not rely on a man in any way shape or form
@polocatfan
3 ай бұрын
I genuinely don't understand this. Writing women badly is bad obviously, but also if you don't write women at all even though you know you're bad at it, that's also bad??? What does anyone actually want?
@justisdraws2412
2 ай бұрын
Good point. You can't get good at writing, if you don't write.
@michaelurmo7984
3 ай бұрын
Always found it interesting that you use the colors red and blue in thumbnails. Pretty certain in Eastern media (Anime for example), red is used to represent the good and blue represents the bad. Now that might not be always the case, but you can see it happening in multiple anime, a big example being Naruto (Naruto is red while Sasuke is blue).
@stormtellier3804
2 ай бұрын
same with Ichigo and uryu from bleach just with the hair Ichigo is a red head and uryu has blue hair if you haven't seen the thousand year blood war it kinda makes sense
@KaiserShounen
3 ай бұрын
GET YOUR GAME ON, KAMEN
@RheaMainz
2 ай бұрын
Aoi Zaizen's written like a normal woman. She doesn't suck as a character!
@tjjordan4207
3 ай бұрын
A character who is already perfect and can do no wrong is a character with no story. Characters are meant to develop and learn from their experiences, especially their faults. It's why girl-boss characters are terrible, because they preach this flawed and straight up wrong belief that there are no consequences for oneself except for everyone else.
@BurningAzure
3 ай бұрын
I don't think Blue Angel vs. Spectre backtracks the former's character at all. If you really want to see backtracking in the same series, Go Onizuka (George Gore if you're a filthy dub watcher) in Season 2 is pretty much a textbook example of this. Go Onizuka: *Learns to focus on what he cherishes over his own personal fame* Also Go Onizuka: *Becomes a bounty hunter to catch Playmaker and reclaim his fame*
@ryanaing5302
3 ай бұрын
It still felt insulting that she lost like that and is still an issue. You think there's any other way they could've gone with that?
@thatman666
3 ай бұрын
I used to think Aoi and Go would be great successors to Yuzu and Gongenzaka respectively. Nowadays, I'm baffled how the formers aren't Lost Incident kids and Gongenzaka is an underrated character.
@DoctorlokiJaqueTheJolteon
Ай бұрын
I honestly believe that Indie writing has a lot less excuses than mainstream for being poorly written, they don't have any strict deadlines, they don't have any censors to worry about, they don't have any expectations out the gate so they can take their time.
@MsUnamusedNerd
3 ай бұрын
Honestly, I always look at Ripley from alien as the best example of a good female character.
@Oceane1803
2 ай бұрын
I don't see how that's hard. If you're a good writer, you know how to make a good character. If you can make a good character, you can make it fleshed-out and interesting regardless of its gender.
@bomb1515
3 ай бұрын
3:16 I haven't tried catching up to Helluva Boss, but I think in Millie's defense, she doesn't need any more goals than to be with Moxie and live her life that way she loves it to. I dunno much about Loona's character though so yeah.
@Mangakamen
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, and that's kind of a problem - There are NO goals.
@Mangakamen
3 ай бұрын
"I think it's already a goal for a character to have a good relationship and to live life in a way that makes them happy. If a relationship isn't considered enough of a "goal" then that would mean that all romance/slice-of-life stories are "bad"" Alright... Then why? Why do they want that goal? What is the motivation to get that? Not to mention, when there's an attempt to characterize a character, it's best that they not just be reliant on another character. Otherwise, they just become a tool for the other character. Also... Millie already accomplished that goal. You seem to be ignoring that part. "This really comes off like an extremely narrow way of looking at characters and stories overall." That's called projection
@bomb1515
3 ай бұрын
I meant that Millie has an in-character reason not to be ambitious, she is content with what and who she has. Again, I only left off on Season 2, Episode 2 and my lazy bum doesn't want to bother catching up, so I could be very wrong. Maybe Millie has goals that flew under my radar.
@saltyhalla
3 ай бұрын
@@Mangakamen Wait do you think that characters should come vacuum packed and neatly labeled, devoid of all relations or something? like what? Characters *are* tools, to each other and to the story itself. Characters are build out of friction that happens in relation to the other characters and the story that's being built. They build off of each other. Think about Jessie and James, Yami/Atem and Yugi. Hell, even Kaiba and Yami/Yugi are reliant on each other. Kirk and Spock, Scooby and Shaggy. Who's the tool for who? It's a moot question, they are tools for the story to exist. There is no one without the other, their shared narrative would cease to exist and along with it, what they bring to the narrative, regardless of storytelling depth. Imo, looking at a goal *is* a narrow way to look at characters. How do you get there, is the goal something that can be kept or even achieved? Should they even get to have it? All of these things are things that a goal simply existing cannot answer- the narrative does. Unless the story ends in the spot that a goal is achieved, there is also a during and an after. Sometimes the empty space after a goal is also meaningful. A relationship between characters is a fine goal, but it's something that must be maintained. It's not something to *get* it's something to *hold* . Millie's goal is something that must be kept, cherished and maintained. It must be protected along with the other participant- which is exactly what Millie does. Its a goal that doesn't have an end, not really. As long as the story keep going.
@sirensoulegaming4158
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, characters don't have to be chasing goals all the time (or even ever, in some cases) to be good characters. There are many people in the real world who are fairly low ambition and just want to get by. Such characters can make the setting itself more real than if everyone is chasing some ambition or goal, and that can make the character worth more than if you tried to make them more (ironically). Like I'll be honest I'm not a massive fan of Helluva Boss's writing, and in fact seeing how some of the Fandom react to Blitz's and Stolas's relationship makes me outright uncomfortable, but I don't think there's anything wrong with Millie. Not all character's need to be fully fleshed out or outstanding. I do agree with the presented Criticisms of Loona's background however.
@Skelet0nCatBlake
2 ай бұрын
For the point at 5:00, you can also use Ragatha as a good example. She's not the main character, but she also has a strong personality and goals. She feels like she has a large influence on the plot and relationships between the other characters. As for the point on how Ozzie and Fizz got more attention, yes. Vivzie said that Helluva Boss' main focus is on the male leads while Hazbin Hotel's main focus is on the female main leads, but that isn't true in the slightest. We get far more from Angel Dust, Alastor, and even Lucifer over Vaggie. You know, THE GIRLFRIEND OF THE MAIN CHARACTER? I feel like she's hardly established at all, and got shoved to the side in favor of the "more interesting" characters. But she COULD be a more interesting character if we got more from her. I've seen a lot fan stuff about how we could get more Vaggie through Lucifer, with him taking on that father-in-law role of connecting with her because she's a fallen angel like him. But the problem with what I just said is that I said we'd get it through Lucifer. She doesn't really get her own characterization through herself at any point. It's through Charlie, through Adam, through Carmela. And that's the issue people have with Millie and Loona. It's ok to favor writing characters that are a specific gender over another, I understand that bias. But it can't excuse the issue that so many people have: which is writing female characters specifically through the lens or relationship of a male character. Just discovered your channel, love it, keep it up!
@raydendish358
3 ай бұрын
One piece does it pretty good .
@orangespartan_tre
2 ай бұрын
Get your game on
@BurningAzure
3 ай бұрын
1:06, Better words don't exist that sum up how far RWBY has fallen.
@steampunk-llama
3 ай бұрын
Dungeon Meshi has some fantastically written characters, particularly Laios Izutsumi and Marcille
@MR.Foxtrot-2008
3 ай бұрын
My rule of thumb is making A character with A personality & story. Their gender, race, and sexuality are second. :3
@l0stndamned
3 ай бұрын
In fairness to Holly in JoJo she was written to be a deliberately bad example to parody how the editors wanted Lisa to be in part 2.
@WarmLillie
3 ай бұрын
I will be taking notes, because it is a difficult balance. As someone said to me, you aren’t just one personality. I like your perspective on writing especially the yugioh girl series. The thing I usually hold them back is not role I will try not use Lillie, but has a goal to help Nebby and later grow to be a trainer for hereself, changing to help her mother. She isn’t a lead but a secondary protagonist. Another character I love, it is not Yugioh Zexal… #Cathybetter But 5D, the opposite signer Misty Tredwell Her goal (in the dub) may have been one note as minor antagonist, all of her act from wanting her brother back to her. Later move on and befriend with Akiza after realizing she is not the true culprit and go someone else All that hate soon become wanting to atone surrender All I can say, Get your game on!!! Also hmm… Can I be Aka Lil Blue Soda Girl now
@CropCirclePictures
Ай бұрын
I hope the main character in my comic isn’t poorly written :( To be fair, I didn’t write the character as a female, I just wrote a character first and afterwards designed a male for it, but I drew a girl design I liked more and just made her the MC instead lol so if she sucks as a character then I guess I just suck at writing characters xD
@anggakarapreviandana2877
3 ай бұрын
Also did I heard that right, Knights of Hanoi?! Are they from Vietnam or something? Yes I'm never watch Vrains and any other Yugioh anime sequels, I'm only watched the original anime.
@sirensoulegaming4158
3 ай бұрын
No, it's an allegory to the "Towers of Hanoi" puzzle, where you start with a pile of disks on the leftmost of 3 poles and are tasked with moving all of said discs to the rightmost pole, while following set rules. In fact, the location of the final duel of Season 1 between the protagonist and the Rival/S1 antagonist happens on top of a tower called the "Tower of Hanoi", which would destroy the whole virtual world if the antagonist wasn't stopped. Where this reference sits in together is that supposedly the Towers of Hanoi puzzle was based on an old legend, where if the puzzle was successfully solved the world would end, so you can see how it *kinda* links together.
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