Thanks for watching the video! Remember, for more AGONY LEENA wholesomeness you can go to this playlist: kzitem.info/door/PLb1-lu-abhnVkKfnaIv224uZZSD__-TlW Now you got to ask me your questions, here are some questions I have for you! Pick one, or don't and just tell me your random thoughts ;) A) If you're poly, how do you answer the question about relationships V friendships? Your answer might be different to mine, I'd love to hear B) Thoughts on the abandoning friend? Can you sympathise with both sides or nah? If you have any friendship break up resources, share them too! C) How rich is too rich? How do you classify what a 'luxury' product is? Is a house a luxury product?
@samiorigami
3 жыл бұрын
C) ..." how do [I] classify what a luxury product is?" ... I just wish I could afford to go regularly to an eye doctor, a dentist, a gynecologist, a dermatologist, a therapist, and a personal trainer. Like I wish I could afford to pay professionals for checkups, rather than waiting until there is a severe problem.... I wish those weren't luxuries... I wish a flight across the country to meet my nephew wasn't a luxury either... but to me, it is. Even anything above bottom shelf booze is a luxury in my household. A luxury is anything I have to spend SEVERAL months saving up for by cutting back on other things... They are technically affordable, but they are something that I know would break me financially if I didn't put a lot of thought into it first. Therefore, of course 'a house is a luxury.' A new computer would be a luxury for Christ's sake. I imagine that if I ever realized that luxuries didn't seem like luxuries anymore, I would just donate more money places. I don't think I would ever feel "too rich," because, I could continue to live in minimalism, but it just means I could support more causes and projects worth supporting!
@rogue_hitman6582
3 жыл бұрын
How did people submit the questions btw?
@leenanorms
3 жыл бұрын
@@rogue_hitman6582 I do call outs on my instagram a few weeks before I film one :)
@noelledowney7168
3 жыл бұрын
Leena is one of those people I’ve obviously never met, but that I wish we could curl up with a drink and a snack and chat for a few hours when I’m feeling anxious about the world and my place in it. She has this beautiful ability to think complexly about the world that I don’t take for granted. Thanks for letting us in for these lovely chats, they are a real balm to someone feeling a bit lonely and missing wine chats with their friends
@peacechickification
3 жыл бұрын
100% agree. Thanks for putting it into words for me.
@Ana-ks3je
3 жыл бұрын
Such a great comment 🙌 I agree!
@indiabilly
3 жыл бұрын
Can I come? Xx
@voodoomoon1607
3 жыл бұрын
I'd agree, but I think I'd feel so incredibly dumb trying to keep up that I actually prefer watching her eloquently put things into words through the screen 😅 But I know what you mean, her videos are so cozy, yet grounding and informative.
@ktwine7994
3 жыл бұрын
She sold her soul to make a video spewing 'facts' about covid, shameful and cringe worthy.
@KillsAllHumanity
3 жыл бұрын
Such a great unpacking of "why do i want to be rich?", as an american, i realized that i did not want to be rich, but i did want to have security, a home, healthcare, and a decent job. And all those things, it turns out, absolutely require being rich in this country
@mississipi1103
3 жыл бұрын
Which is so sad, I wish your country become more socialist so you can have more access to healthcare, work ethics and education at least. It worked here in France and it's super awesome. I wish American would one day live this comfort (and stop gloryfying the extra rich).
@LivTavares
3 жыл бұрын
If all of those things require being rich in the USA, just imagine what's like in other places... the rest of america, for instance, and pretty much half of the world. Yeah, we're at a point where your minimum wage is already considered rich people's income, having the same expenses (plus import of goods!). It sucks to be poor
@st.cIaire
3 жыл бұрын
This 1000x
@JessicaMiller-sd2uf
3 жыл бұрын
"the fantasy of being rich is, for a lot of people, the fantasy of having enough" 👀☕
@amberellis8426
3 жыл бұрын
*Possible trigger* With the friendship one, my best friend of 8 years had to walk away from me during the peak of my mental health issues because it was bringing her down and also she was finding it difficult to get on with her day to day life out of worry about me and her constant fear that I was going to do something to myself. It was the most heartbreaking thing ever. But ultimately it sparked me to get help because I missed my best friend, it was the first time I saw how my mental health issues affected those around me, I sought help. Now its been 4 years since she left, we became best friends again one year later and I am 2 years clean of self harm and at a healthy weight again. She did it to save herself but she saved us both and she will always be my best friend.
@mandeep3.14
3 жыл бұрын
Woah, that’s a pretty interesting story. Kudos to her for protecting herself but it’s nice that it ended well later
@guacamojo
3 жыл бұрын
so glad you guys got back together!! wishing u both well in the future
@caitie226
3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you’re doing so much better now! It’s interesting because I’ve also advised friends to cut off distressing friendships in the past, or at least urged them to consider it. It’s a very difficult prospect to navigate.
@eliza.the.earthling
3 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful rebirth of your friendship. Thank you for sharing - I’m glad you and your friend are in a better place both with your own personal mental health as well as your bonds with each other.
@stasiale8873
3 жыл бұрын
I was that friend once. The friendship became so overwhelming for me at some point (I had a lot of my own stuff going on, and just couldn't take more from someone else), and just got incredibly tired of constant complaining. As well as it started to be really sad to witness how that person treated their partner (our mutual friend). I haven't seen or talked to the former friend (or their partner) for couple of years by now, but I hope they gotten the help they need. Mental illness is incredibly frustrating not only for the person suffering from it, but to everyone around:( I'm happy you're feeling much better now!
@erint5373
3 жыл бұрын
On the losing a friend point: My mum once said something that has stayed with me about friendship; most of us think of a friend as someone who will be there for you throughout life, thick and thin.the reality is that for most people they go through periods of lessons and experiences that shape and change us. So assuming that the other person is always going to 'get' what your going through, and vice versa for every day/forever is a little unreasonable. Adult friendships are often more like boats that meet periodically throughout the years, than ships that are tethered to the same moore. The best part is, you don't have to get or even fully understand what a friend is going through, you just have to want the best for them, no matter what life serves up.
@marja2909
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your wise and kind words! I too had to learn (painfully so) that friendships ebb and flow. Like, when I meet someone new we might have an intense period of bonding and checking in on each other a lot. Maybe for a couple of months or so. After those I'm left with myself/"my own boat". I might reach out after years of no contact -- but other friendships were valid in their time, too
@tiffytattoo2450
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like many have the idea of friends from their school years. Our friends back then all had the same math test next week. Further on in life, we all have different tests next week and most of us are studying alone. In a metaphorical way.
@sanschmidt5457
3 жыл бұрын
@@tiffytattoo2450 I think in school you are often times only friends because you sit in the same building every day and do the same stuff with the same people. Outside of that you may not even have much in common, the two (or lot) of you may just be the best match between all the available people in class. Afer school's over and all of you leave that building forever there is just so much more space around you to grow into - and at the same time grow apart into. So most of us do this. We grow in our own direction and our friends do the same. It's not always the same direction and I wish more people would realize that that's totally okay.
@Nicole_Noga
3 жыл бұрын
"Because basic necessities are at luxury prices and you do not trust the state." Yup, yup, yup!
@charlotteboys3337
3 жыл бұрын
There's a German podcast about imagining different utopias called Planet B. And one of the best sentences I ever heard on it was "Die Zukunft ist schon da. Sie ist nur ungleich verteilt." (The future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed.) What you were saying about many parts of our lives operating under socialist values makes me think of that: A world which isn't a capitalist hellscape already exists, it just isn't there in all parts of our lives right now.
@charlotteboys3337
3 жыл бұрын
Side note that as an English native speaker, I heard the sentence as "The future is already here, she's just not evenly spread out." I liked the idea of the future being a feminine concept. As a mathematician, it makes me think of "a future" like some kind of convection-diffusion process, starting at a point in space and as time goes on eventually diffusing evenly across the whole domain.
@sweetpeabee4983
3 жыл бұрын
I learned German for years in school and I feel like it's largely withered away in the years since. But that podcast sounds interesting and like a good excuse to brush up again, thank you!! 🤗
@charlotteboys3337
3 жыл бұрын
@@sweetpeabee4983 You can find it on Spotify among the Viertausendhertz podcasts (there hasn't been a new episode in a while so you have to scroll back quite a way!) Enjoy ☺️☺️
@lauramccullagh980
3 жыл бұрын
I so agree with your answer to the "why i want to be rich" question, and i think there is also room for the fact that wanting more than just the necessities is not a bad thing: the next step up from the bare minimum should also not be a luxury. First priorities are health insurance, a home, and food, but it's ok to want more than that. Its ok to want to be able to go out to eat with friends, go to the theater, or take a train to visit family without worrying how you're going to pay rent next month. Poor people are so often criticized for owning things like video game consoles or things that don't serve a clearly survival level purpose, but having fun and enjoying life is part of surviving. It's ok to fantasize about a life where that is not a financial stretch.
@aj7058
3 жыл бұрын
I would also add that this is an inherently *anti*-capitalist concept.
@lgm14
3 жыл бұрын
yess ^^^^
@26Sundrops
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! I get SO irritated when people are like "that single mom has an iphone that's better than MY phone even though she's using food stamps at the grocery store? How dare she!" Ugh. Our lives and human minds are complicated. We deserve enrichment and tools beyond just food and shelter.
@360shadowmoon
2 жыл бұрын
I remember being criticized in my mid-twenties for admitting that the primary thing I wanted in a job was a high salary. My friend told me it was materialistic and superficial. I told her I wasn't trying to accumulate a bunch of luxury stuff. At the time, I could only affort my most basic expenses (housing and food), and I wanted to be able to afford hobbies - art classes, dining out, the occasional travel, and an apartment that wasn't a health code violation. Money isn't just about buying things - it can really improve your quality of life. In an ideal world, people would be able to enjoy these things without a ton of money, but it isn't an ideal world.
@lattemeowcchiato3767
3 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree with you more on the rich problem. I don't want to be "rich" , I want to be able to afford a basic decent life. Like a house and maybe a car?
@lottas3561
3 жыл бұрын
"Just somewhere that I can exist in and it's not illegal" is now my new standard for buying a house
@beckycanty
3 жыл бұрын
"you're just two people comparing notes a lot" made me have a complete revelation about my last relationship and why it failed. thank you leena for always making my brain spiral (in the best way)
@frenchfry789
3 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that with friends you prioritise shared interests but partners yu prioritise shared values
@sorcellerie
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I don't want to bathe in money or go into space for 11 minutes (👀), I just want to be able to freely do whatever I want and need to live instead of worrying. Like, affording a place to live, groceries, educational necessities and going for drinks with friends once in a while. Or not feeling guilty for buying that box of chocolates for myself that I don't *need*. Crazy concept, I know
@saamv8139
3 жыл бұрын
"Excluding sex, what’s the difference between your best friend and your romantic partner? " As Aromantic ( but Allosexual) person this question was something I myself asked all the time and made me feel like a horrible person as I just naturally couldn't get Romantic relationships and I had no idea what the problem was with being best friends that have sex. After reading up on amatonormativity and finding other aromantic and grey- & demi-romantic people and reading their experiences I kinda got a much better understanding of what I actually want and can provide. I have stopped trying to find a romantic partner at this point as its moot and i am instead slowly trying to figure out how to find and connect with similar people and maybe get some Queer-platonic relationship going. But at this point just finding fulfilment in friendships is actually enough for me at the moment, despite what society tells me.
@jajungmyeon9188
3 жыл бұрын
This speaks to my soul (:
@monsterhighfan144
3 жыл бұрын
Fr I thought something was wrong with me but I'm demi romantic - learning that's okay! I want a boyfriend but at the same time I love being single and going out with my friends.
@estherriley6879
3 жыл бұрын
What is romance anyway? Seems fake to me :/
@maiaj7061
3 жыл бұрын
Can't get over the fact that immediately after you said 'capitalist hellscape' I got a mid-roll ad about trading on the stock market
@Misa.misato
3 жыл бұрын
I got an add that promises to teach me how to buy and flip houses for profit. I’m a renter who will never be able to afford buying a home judging by the current market. The irony! Sometimes I feel like I live in a dark comedy and I’m the punch line, I can almost hear the laugh track off screen.
@batty_babette
3 жыл бұрын
@@Misa.misato That resonates WAY too hard right now honestly 😅
@josefineee8794
3 жыл бұрын
Regarding the capitalism question. I found, for me, that being part of a community really helps with coping with the horrors of capitalism. So I try to volunteer or participate in a hobby with other people. There I can experience this meaningful "socialist" human nature, Leena talks about.
@Insanepurpleperson
3 жыл бұрын
greatly appreciate the footage of the dog swimming in the stream
@kathrynbythelake9638
3 жыл бұрын
I once heard being rich described as "how long can you go without working", which puts a different spin on things.
@Frizzbiscuit
3 жыл бұрын
Okay but as an asexual, your description of what makes a relationship different from a friendship makes SO MUCH SENSE
@no1inparticular487
3 жыл бұрын
as a possible aromantic, it helped me a lot too haha
@emilyb3875
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve also been questioning my place on the asexual/aromantic spectrum and I UNDERSTAND NOW. I’ve been stuck on that question for so long and I just GET IT NOW
@brittany7288
3 жыл бұрын
Loved how you unpacked wanting to be “rich”. I want to be “rich” because I’m so burnt out working full time in an industry I don’t like while trying to manage my chronic illnesses. I want to be able to take a sabbatical to focus on my health without losing my health insurance or being evicted. I want to be able to reconsider after that sabbatical what to do whether that’s picking a new industry that I’ll enjoy more, working part time, or retiring early for health reasons. Oh and maybe pay off my students loans and buy a modest house. You know…luxuries…
@bexbergh4295
3 жыл бұрын
I have a lot of unfinished thoughts about the "friend-breakup" question and answer... as, I had to be the dumper in such a scenario earlier this year. I know we don't have the full story for this person. Suffice to say, when a friendship has shifted from a symbiotic relationship to something parasitic--it's time to go. I terminated my friendship after giving the person 3 opportunities over 2 years to change manipulative and inappropriate behaviors and to respect the boundaries I placed on the friendship. It wasn't an unreasonable request. After the third boundary crossing, I ended the friendship and have not sought their company or communication with them. I understand that people struggle and go through difficult times--I'm a therapist, after all. I do believe that there are appropriate avenues for how to receive support. Friends and family can be great supports--however, everyone has a right to their own boundaries and having those respected. I knew, in my case, the person in question continued to pull me into the tidal flow of their emotional ups and downs while demonstrating traits of narcissism and borderline personality disorder. I was not willing to continue that cycle. It was time to move on. I am happy I did.
@testosteronic
3 жыл бұрын
How is npd or bpd relevant? Adding that into your comment just perpetuates the stigma against those disorders that makes it more difficult for ppl to receive treatment
@bexbergh4295
3 жыл бұрын
Does it? I disagree. I cited those disorders because a) the person whom I was friends with often alluded to having both and quite honestly, met the criteria, and b) in the comment, I initially spoke generally to the ways I was manipulated by this person whom I knew personally within my friend group--but if you are familiar with those disorders, you know how difficult it can be to place boundaries within a relationship with someone who has NPD or BPD. That's not a put-down, it's factual. Remember, I maintained a friendship with this person for over 2 years. When there was a boundary crossing, we got coffee and talked it out. I devoted a lot of time and empathy to this ex-friendship. I provided them with opportunities to process what boundaries I was placing, for what reason, and I was clear with what consequences came of crossing that boundary. The "take-away" message from my above comment is to provide the opposite perspective of why friendship break-ups happen. It's okay to struggle with "troubles and worries" (to use the language from the video), I think many of us experience a complicated relationship or two in our lifetime. It's okay to be the "dumpee" in a friendship, to want comfort when rupture happens... just like this person asked Leena for. My point with my comment is that it is not okay to let someone take out their "troubles and worries" on you as if you are a doormat. Honestly, that's when you seek professional help.
@kayleighholmes6991
3 жыл бұрын
The Good Place is a really good show which seems superficial but actually deals with existential and philosophical questions about how to be a good person and live a good life (and also talks a bit about ethical consumption under capitalism). If you have not watched it, I strongly recommend you do. It seems like the kind of thing you may unintentionally love
@user-et9mc6gv3y
3 жыл бұрын
Its alright.. the later seasons are not very good though..
@troebeliewoep
3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes I love that show. The ending is so good
@9Nikko8
Жыл бұрын
I loved the show, it has everything and its smart but also very simple
@pamkellman1068
3 жыл бұрын
Oof...two people comparing notes...as someone recovering from a life-shifting breakup...this is spot on
@leannedarbyshire8124
3 жыл бұрын
Same!
@Valentinaisme
3 жыл бұрын
I always say that I want “a lot” of money so I don’t have to think about it anymore. I want to be able to buy something/anything without having to do the math in my head and feel slightly terrified that some books are going to be why I can’t afford a plumbing issue later on or whatever it is - does that make sense?
@tamago2474
3 жыл бұрын
This video was really great Leena, thank you for your insights! Also like the outdoor filming a lot!
@Baddylongway
3 жыл бұрын
I find this definition of partnership really interesting. As someone who has struggled a lot with the norms surrounding monogamous and romantic relationships, the distinction of a partnership as a long term shared project rather than as defined by feelings or social structures, is very liberating. I have defined the most committed relationships in my life as "home ports", places for me to return to in both fair and foul weather where I can always trust there will be space for me. However, this approach also makes space for multiple partnerships or romantic relationships existing in parallel, where a romantic relationship can be present and committed and still not be the one uniquely prioritised in your life. It also doesn't frame it on basis of time; if it is about sharing the journey, that journey doesn't have to be life long for the partnership to be valuable or successful.
@zoeziebee
3 жыл бұрын
You have some very good points here. Friendship break ups can be just as painful, if not more painful, than relationships. I still feel pain over a friendship that ended about 10 years ago
@doctorwholover1012
3 жыл бұрын
The desire to be rich nowadays is mostly the desire to be safe, safe from bankruptcy, from struggle, from food to shelter insecurities, safe from abuse, financial, workplace, or relationship, safe to experience and experiment in the same way a child in a middle class family is safe. And obvs middle class isn’t ‘rich’ in the way that most people mean when they say it, but realistically, beyond wanting mansions or yachts or extravagant things like that, middle class is enough to give most people a comfortable/relaxing level of safety that being ‘rich’ promises.
@sevamo
3 жыл бұрын
"And this has been you, forever and always" gave me big Undertale energy. "Even after everything, it's still you." I have trouble accepting and appreciating myself sometimes, so this gentle reminder was greatly appreciated. Thank you for another wonderful episode, Leena!
@hannahthewildreader745
3 жыл бұрын
One day, when I can afford it, I will repay Leena financially for all of the counselling her videos have offered me over the years. However, I work for a charity so don't expect the cheque too soon!
@ktgn156
3 жыл бұрын
I had a few friends I let go last year. One of them in particular, had been going through a mental health crisis for most of the time we've known each other. I have always tried to see the positive in all my friends and understant that everybody has flaws, just like I do. But she talked negatively about everything I treasured in life. I loved my college degree and felt quite accomplished, she was doing the same degree and hated it. Every time we met, she had new complaints about how bad the education system was. This spread out over philosophical topics, and she always made me feel like I had to have an existential crisis. I tried to listen to her, help her and support her. At some point, I realized that I needed to let her go, for my own mental health. Maybe its selfish, but I think sometimes it is important to know your boundaries.
@nebula1oftheseven488
3 жыл бұрын
I think you did the right thing, sometimes we have to put ourselves. If the friend is bad for your well-being, it's for the best that you cut ties.
@EnaGoba
3 жыл бұрын
Omg the empathy question. Ive started to practice shutting off my empathy because it so often completely overwhelmed me. Read a sad story about an old lady? Evening ruined. And I also drifted away from some friendships because their pain leaked into me too much. And I do still feel guilty about it. And I definitely stand by the choice to put my emotional energy into the closest to me, and then see what I have left.
@sakura9400
3 жыл бұрын
"I think the answer is interrogating the question" is the line that I will keep thinking about
@saneill17
3 жыл бұрын
I have been on the other end of that friendship question. It was so emotionally exhausting to watch a friend keep being self destructive in her life and not listen to any advice on how to make things better for herself. After over a decade of friendship I had to seperate myself to save my sanity and my emotional reserve so that I wasn’t expending everything I had on someone else’s life and have nothing left for myself.
@ursakermode7304
3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that there isn't any music playing in the background and all we are hearing is gentle nature.
@marisanewland9509
3 жыл бұрын
I love this format of Leena being brutally honest in nature.
@ameliewiseman744
3 жыл бұрын
I always feel guilty a bit whenever I think I don’t want be rich or have TONNES of money - Ik it’s influenced by the fact that I’ve grown up comfortable, and therefore I’ve never had the need or the want. I just want to maintain what my parents have and I don’t have theirs, or my grandparents or my friends desires to do better and be richer than their predecessors. I want my books, and access to the countryside, somewhere to live which isn’t awful and nice people in my life. I don’t need to have tonnes and tonnes of money, and when ppl joke about winning the lottery I’m not even sure I’d spend it (my dad wants to win the lottery and retire.)
@georgieleach7379
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for touching on grief and empathy in this. I recently lost my dad and your thoughts on grief & the rug being pulled really rang true. A lot of people have tried to tell me they know what I’m going through (particularly people who haven’t lost a parent) and it’s been very unhelpful - comparing it to when your cat died of old age isn’t the one
@meganabbott7711
3 жыл бұрын
I've been the person who ended a friendship because the other person had 'troubles' so I think it might be helpful to hear this side of the story (don't think it's the same person who submitted the question). So, we'd been friends for maybe 6 or 7 years and at first it felt like we were swapping notes (to use @leena norms brilliant metaphore) but at the end it felt like I was reading pages and pages of notes from her but had to keep my notes to myself so I was taking on more than I could handle. As well as that her mental health was getting worse and when I didn't hear from her for ages I would have panic attacks that she had hurt herself or ended up back in a psychiatric hospital and I honestly couldn't take the stress. Not only that, but it felt like she didn't really care that I was dealing with this, she had cancelled all our plans for the last year or so of the friendship, and it wasn't good for me to remain friends with her. I don't know exactly what your friend is going through or if they felt the stress of the friendship was too much for them to carry @ whoever submitted the agony and I'm sorry that you've been 'dumped' because I know it can;t be easy from your side either.
@jajungmyeon9188
3 жыл бұрын
I teared up reading this, because I was very recently in this exact position. The constant one-sided note sharing and feeling sick and suffocated with worry. To make it worse, my friend would sometimes acknowledge how much trauma dumping she was doing and then just continue. to do it. with the same intensity. Like "sorry, you know you're not just my emotional dustbin" and then proceed to unload whatever she had to. As if the acknowledgement was just to give herself permission. Or she'd text "hey how are you? I never ask about you." and then I would reply and she would say "That's nice. I wish I could-" and then she's go on to talk about her troubles; and it got to a point where all her questions were just to lead up to what she had intended to share all along She was in a very hard place, but I could not take it any more psychologically. Some months ago I gently let her know that I had a lot on my plate and had to gradually edge myself out it. I dunno if that was the graceful decision or not but that's how it is ://
@LorenSnel
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! I say this as someone who's been the dumped one twice, the first of which was when I was young and it was very painful for me. I didn't dump or overshare in the second friend's case, but this friend did still abruptly end the relationship after 6 years, saying she thought we wanted different things from life. I never understood what she meant exactly, and it made me sad. I had felt that in the last year of our friendship she had been sharing less of her life with me and it was mainly me sharing, but not because I had major issues. Sorry, what I want to say with all this: I feel there's a responsibility in friendship to speak about your boundaries and annoyances and grievances early on, and not when it's too late. Being dumped out of the blue and hearing that someone has had enough of something you never realised you did is painful and unfair. That way the other person never gets a chance to understand and possibly change their behaviour. Stepping up as someone's therapist - something no one actually directly asks you but which you have decided to bestow on them - and never saying it is actually making you uncomfortable and oversteps your boundaries and then getting mad and leaving because of it just isn't kind. Apologies if this comes of harsh or unrelated. Of course every situation is uniquely complex. I just hadn't seen anyone else in the comments bring this up and thought I'd bring it up.
@meganabbott7711
3 жыл бұрын
@@LorenSnel Hi, thanks for sharing your own story. I possibly didn't make it very clear that in the situation I talked about I had tried speaking to her about it multiple times but that made no difference and of course everyone is different but it really seemed that there were no options other than to leave the friendship in the past. I'd been in a situation when I was younger where a long time friend just stopped talking to me one day and never told me why. To make it worse he had told other people in our class, including people we'd never been friends with, why he was suddenly ignoring me but he never told me. I'm still in the dark to this day. Honestly, you deserve so much better than someone who blows you off for no reason, or for a reason that they refuse to share with you.
@irisiemenschot9791
3 жыл бұрын
The whole video, the subject, the outside filming, the OUTFIT!
@emilydoering7733
3 жыл бұрын
I can totally relate to the part about 'why do I want to be rich?' All I want in life is to be secure and comfortable, surrounded by the people I love. Thanks for your thought provoking insights Leena!
@mariellabevan7255
3 жыл бұрын
On relationships and friendships being different: agree with everything you said but also romantic attraction, sexual attraction and platonic attraction are all separate things! I might like hanging out with my friends but that doesn’t mean I want to cuddle, hold hands, get butterflies etc or want build a life with them. Just like you can want to sleep with someone but not want to do those things with them either. I’ve experienced all three separately and together
@26Sundrops
3 жыл бұрын
True, and I feel like that applies to me too, although Leena's phrasing/definition might also work better for asexual and aromantic people who want partnership but don't necessarily feel types of attraction in that way.
@sarah456832
3 жыл бұрын
I love the quote you pulled Leena! I might just have to tattoo "Unavailable for Servitude" on my forehead while interviewing for jobs.
@racoon2623
3 жыл бұрын
i love these videos! for the christianity one, i went through a phase of “i’m great woo hoo” when i first stopped believing, and then was hit with the “oh no i’m going to die and there’s no heaven” which was awful. i have a friend who went through it too, and what they said was that we didn’t exist before we were born and it never bothered us, so why should it bother us later. they also said their biggest relief was that then and all their friends weren’t going to burn in hell for eternity (most of us are lgbtq+), so i’m trying to think of it the way that they do which has been helpful.
@raapyna8544
3 жыл бұрын
Me too, I don't really believe in afterlife but I read that my people used to believe there is an "other side" where people are before and after living, and it's very mundane just like life used to be back then. I like the idea that we are someplace, not self-aware. For sure, we are in history, and other people, and other people's memories. My grandmother gave me my faith, which I think of as a precious gift. Even if I can't use it like her, I appreciate the gift and hope to pass it on, that someone else would believe in something good too. And even though I don't have a religious world-view in a sense, I think if there is a heaven, there must be one for her, because she so believed in it, it must come true. I wish people's wishes to come true. But even if not, she is still remembered with love and her legacy lives. She still exists in her space and time.
@BluuKiss
3 жыл бұрын
I was very into Christianity for a few years recently but eventually left because there was just so many doubts and flaws I see in the faith (it took substantial research and contemplation before I left, I did not take the decision to leave lightly, and I'm aware of the supposed consequences). This whole journey from non-believer to believer to non-believer again really helped to shape my view of the world, and I feel I'm in a much better place now and feel set free. The awesome thing is that nothing matters in the grand scheme of things - that can be taken in both a positive light or negative light. I take it positively. To me, it means everything is ultimately absurd and meaningless, so I can choose to pursue whatever matters the most to me and not be dictated by what other people think of me. I don't believe that there's a heaven/hell after death, but we live in our own sort of heaven or hell just being alive today. My life now is so fortunate, it's a piece of 'heaven' that I know many struggling people in the world would die for... so I'll cherish this life.
@hollyparkes5441
3 жыл бұрын
The 'we didn't exist before we were born and it didn't bother us' thing is something I've never considered before!!! Has just thrown me in the best way. Thanks for sharing that
@whylal
3 жыл бұрын
Agony Leena gives lots to think about.
@asterismos5451
3 жыл бұрын
1) why do I want a lot of money? I think also a part of it is just being free from the anxiety of money. If you have a lot of money, maybe you can stop worrying about your budget or if you can afford things. I don't think this is really the case, but that's the fantasy. 2) best friend vs romantic partner? Being aromantic-ish and spending a lot of time in aro and ace circles, I'd simplify it as one person you're only platonically attracted to/only want to do platonic things with and the other you are romantically attracted to/want to do romantic things with. What's platonic vs. romantic varies person-to-person a lot.
@Miss_Lexisaurus
3 жыл бұрын
Oooh your thoughts on the life partner relationship Vs friendship one really got me thinking. I would have said for me there is no difference between my best friends and my romantic or sexual partners, I love them the same. But your point about them moving across the country was interesting because while I'd be hurt either way, I'd hope there would be a discussion but that discussion would go differently between a partner (perhaps we move together) and a friend. So now I think my answer would be that I'm building a life with a partner, my friends are building their lives in whatever way they want, and we can swing by to visit each others lives, maybe we even live next door (I should have gone with a life=house metaphor) but our lives are distinctly separate. That said, I wonder how well that translates to solo poly and other relationship styles. You can have a partner, or several, and be truly invested in them but still lead entirely separate lives, and I think that needs to be accepted as a real relationship and not diminished because there isn't the nest building we traditionally think of.
@leenanorms
3 жыл бұрын
Yes totally, there's always space in between those two poles for whatever works for people
@andiianderson4260
3 жыл бұрын
Ooh I appreciate poly being an included perspective
@Miss_Lexisaurus
3 жыл бұрын
@@andiianderson4260 I fear I've become that poly person who's up in everyone's comments going "but what about poly relationships?" 🤣
@andiianderson4260
3 жыл бұрын
It’s easy to be that as so frequently ignored as a perspective
@zankapfel4390
3 жыл бұрын
This, and also - a partnership is a huge effort commitment aka "I am going to spend an enormous amount of mental, emotional, social, (spiritual) etc. energy on this joint project of ours" and as much as I am very happy for people who have such close friends that they have to ask that question - I do not and it would be unsustainable for me. I cannot imagine being this invested in my close friends lives, and can recall times when it was a problem. Everybody is so complex and has so many victories to celebrate, goals to chase, problems to work on... I love my friends with my whole heart but I cannot try to carry all of their facets in my soul and mind, all of the time. My partners problems are my problems and when I do this one person just a little bit of justice, I am already proud.
@amyukulele
3 жыл бұрын
i think this may be my favourite series on the internet you know
@meganls9570
3 жыл бұрын
I want to be rich because your videos are such high quality they feel like they should be expensive to watch
@kindredkelsey
3 жыл бұрын
LEENA oh my god, i gotta say, everything you mention and elaborate on in this particular video rings SO true for me. i wish i could help my friends and family immediately believe these things the same way that i do, but that's not how being a human person works. and that's beautiful too! just, thank you SO much for these agony leena videos, the 20s toolkit series, and honestly every single video. your content truly makes my day and i love it because not only do i watch when i want to take a break and relax my brain for a bit, but i also watch when i want to learn more and get some educational fundamentals that i might not have gotten elsewhere. as an american, originally from ohio, now living in central florida, who has been to england twice in her life, i've kinda been all over the place but i genuinely love all the places i've been and your content helps me explore new places and things and i cannot thank you enough! so excited for all the content to come in the future and beyond :)
@shanisokay
3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to speak on the friendship breakup, because I am someone who has broken up with several friends in my life. I don't know this person's situation, so this very well won't apply to them at all, but I just wanted to speak potentially from the other side. I have had friends who used their struggling mental health or self-esteem issues as an excuse to put me down, pull be back, or use me as their personal therapist while offering no support in return. You should be there for your friends, but if being there causes your own mental health to spiral out of control, I think it is fair to take a step back. As you said Leena, some friends expect that they can just take and not give anything back. However, if a friend feels the need to distance themselves from you, I think it is important to make sure you yourself were not guilty of doing a lot of taking and no giving. Ugh I don't mean to make friendship sound transactional, but as someone who has had lots of friends in my life, many still with me for 10+ years, I do think there is a healthy way to lean on each other, without pulling each other down. Again, no hate or assumptions that this is how the situation went down for the person who asked the question! Sounds like it is different, it just triggered some memories lol.
@katharineannie
3 жыл бұрын
I've been in the same situation so many times honestly. And it's hard because from the outside (and the other person's side) it seems like you're 'the person who abandoned a friend during a hard time' so you'll always be seen as the villain in the situation, which is hard because it's so much more complicated than that.
@ruthisnothigh
3 жыл бұрын
I was that friend who kinda 'ghosted' a friend. This was a number of years ago and I didn't do it in a great way but it kind of just became difficult to be friends. We were at the same uni and lived close to each other but we barely saw each other. We were both struggling with our mental health and I don't think we were very helpful to each other. We texted and stuff but I didn't really listen. I just couldn't deal with my own shit and worry about someone else. And I think the breaking point was that she lied about something quite major which she thought was just a joke but I didn't think it was funny at all. I also think that we had just kind of drifted apart. We weren't the same people as we were when we met and became friends at age 11. I apologised and explained everything late 2019/early 2020 and we tried to talk and meet up and stuff but then the pandemic hit and we drifted again. Do I regret it? Definitely. Could I have handled things better? Absolutely. Do I know how I would have done that? Nope. Not even now.
@yok5206
3 жыл бұрын
this video was suffused with insight! thank you leena for enunciating the distinction between “passing notes” and “being on the same team”, the aspiration at the heart of “i want to get rich” and the reminder to make ourselves “unavailable for servitude” 💓
@Miss_Lexisaurus
3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your thoughts on capitalism in this video, definitely made me feel less despairing.
@Hazel.Karooma
3 жыл бұрын
Yes to a Maddie Dragsbaek reccomendation!!
@collyflower6623
3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciated your response on empathy. I am in a similar situation to the "friend" where I am trying to protect myself from internalizing someone else's struggles because I'm dealing with my own! I think the best way forward is communication. It's okay to tell someone (kindly!) that you don't have the bandwidth to fully empathize. That can limit the openness of the friendship to an extent. But it can also help because you are being vulnerable about your own struggles. I'm still struggling a bit at being assertive about that, but by protecting myself I am giving the friendship a better chance at being a healthy one without resentment.
@22Piroko
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your compassionate answer on the rich question. It helped me put some words around that amorphous anxious blob of wanting lots of money when I really want is a bit of safety and peace for my tender self.
@this_fanny
3 жыл бұрын
About ditching your friendship, I have some thoughts about it. As someone that had struggle with mental health problems, I've been in some periods of my life where I can't deal with my own stuff (let's say anxiety at 7 out of 10). At the same time, unfortunately, one of my friends has gone through their own stuff, and try to rely on me. That person didn't knew what I was going through (so I don't blame them for that, and I didn't want to make them more problems), but when I said I needed to take time from our friendship (summing up the problems my anxiety hit the max), my friend was really hurt, and I get it. But it felt right to be that level of selfish. So when I hear this kind of stories, I get the other side and try to not judge so harsh. Even if the person wasn't going through something, is fair to don't always feel capable of dealing with someone else's problem 🤷🏻 if your "friend" is never available to you, maybe is time to reconsider that relationship (not always a bad person, but not the friend for you)
@DesperationLasts
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the question about not losing your humanity in our capitalistic society may have been more geared toward how do you not become increasingly cynical as you grow older and learn more horrible things about the world? Maybe I'm wrong.
@itsalladream5559
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but more that just preventing cynical thinking, I think they were asking how to prevent becoming someone who *lives out* their cynical ideas: refusing to be one of those sharers that leena mentioned and only doing what benefits themself.
@dracconcomet
3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE your distinction between a partnership and a friendship! You put into words something I've been thinking about for years.
@KittenCasserole
3 жыл бұрын
This video is delightful in many ways, but I especially appreciate you filming out in nature. I’m disabled and housebound, living in California, so seeing all the details of your countryside in your part of the world enrich my life in ways I would never otherwise have the opportunity
@julecaesara482
3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more on the "I don't want to be rich, I want to be able to afford a decent life" part. I want to be able to shop groceries without worrying if my card will be accepted. I want to be able to hop on a train or into a car to visit a stressed friend without taking the money for the ticket straight out of my savings account. I want to be able to walk by a book shop and pick up something for 25 Euroes without trading a trip to visit my parents for the book (fuel currently costs about 25 Euroes to go visit them). I want to be able to buy a cottage-sized house where I can hang my laundry in the garden and grow herbs. I don't even want a car (seriously cars are a nuisance, I just with public transpart was a little more accessible).
@OrangeYetti
3 жыл бұрын
These videos always feel oddly calming, and makes me feel that my problems aren't only mine. I think you're fantastic at putting people at ease with the way you explore these topics. Thank you!
@lgm14
3 жыл бұрын
on desiring wealth i think it’s also interesting to question what you mean by wanting to be rich. like you said, a lot of the time necessities are priced as luxury products, and desiring a comfortable lifestyle really just feels like a very basic assertion of self worth and saying ‘i don’t want to live in precarity and also enjoy myself’ which imo should be seen as more of a universal right and something we should aspire to achieve for everyone as a society rather than any kind of indulgence. equally, if you actually look at global wealth and think about billionaires the real wealth disparities are between everyone vs the billionaires, so the parameters of ‘rich’ are also drawn arbitrarily at an income difference of maybe 10k in the uk from comfortable to wealthy, whereas actually the scale of ‘richness’ should really be redefined altogether. that being said, the significance of day to day material precarity is very important and should not necessarily be conglomerated with affluence although they are both closer together than affluence + billionaires
@lgm14
3 жыл бұрын
hope any of that makes sense lol
@MichelleLElman
2 жыл бұрын
I've weirdly been thinking about the "is a partner just a best friend with sex" thing recently and your answer just gave me a lightbulb moment
@rachel7229
3 жыл бұрын
If I ever get to travel to the U.K. again, my dream celebrity sighting would be you.
@BryonyClaire
3 жыл бұрын
Enlightening as always. On the capitalist hellscape issue, if you're feeling like things are wrong and should change, chances are there are others like you who feel that way. Getting involved in grassroots projects can help with your mental health because you feel like you're actually making a difference, and it goes without saying, getting involved politically (being an informed voter, getting in contact with your local constituents, signing petitions, sharing information) also makes change happen. If enough people do those things, systems will start to change 💚
@wikeschippers8608
3 жыл бұрын
I think 'longing to be rich' to me is about the idea of completely seizing to worry about money and making room in your head/life for fun things or, let's face it, other worries. I think "not worrying about money" may not be the effect that an actual buttload of money would have on a person, but that's what it feels like for someone who does not, in fact, have a buttload.
@wendyhere7204
3 жыл бұрын
I did not expect to agree with your answer about why we want to be rich, but here we are. When I say I want to be rich I mean I want to be able to afford a nice cottage on a plot of land that allows me to not hear the continuous stream of sounds my neighbours make and afford a normal amount of necessities without having to worry too much about choosing the option that I like rather than the cheapest options. I want to be able to afford some peace and quiet in my own house.
@abidavies154
3 жыл бұрын
The friendship and heartbreak questions were interesting 😊
@Jojo13Lorin
3 жыл бұрын
A thought on the “rich” question- Sure, there’s the desire to have basic necessities met. But there’s also the experience of seeing how many beautiful and artful things there are in the world to experience and own, and wanting the means to have and experience those things ~ Travel, Food, Art, Coffee, Whiskeys, Music, Books! I think a lot of us can resonate with that desire to have enough/save enough to be able to experience the things we value (:
@raapyna8544
3 жыл бұрын
I know, I love art and have had these desires as well. But knowing how most artists aren't paid enough, I don't like the idea of owning treasures of art anymore. I want artists to be valued as much or more than their works, and specifically, when they are alive. I think capitalistic wealth-thinking and economy fails them (us, as I wish to be an artist myself), making their work into products to buy and setting the prices. I don't appreciate being viewed as entertainment for people with more wealth. Likewise, artists with more wealth are treated like they belong to the general public as well. See popular musicians for example, and compare them to science writers. Both publish their work. The latter have a right to privacy and dignity, the former don't.
@CraigSimmonds
3 жыл бұрын
Algorithm IS in fact available for servitude on this one 👀
@bloublabligloblu
3 жыл бұрын
Dear Leena, I feel like watching your videos is helping me develop a practice for being unavailiable for servitude.
@GwynneM
3 жыл бұрын
Heartbreak is grieving the death of possibilities.
@iv0447
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate these talks, with Leena answering deeply human questions. It helps me to understand life better through seeing her perspective, which is well balanced and insightful. She is a beautiful and funny human being, who I believe cares about others. To the person who lost a friend - I believe it wasn't meant to be and they did what was right for them. You may feel hurt but perhaps what you need is a friend who isn't as "empathetic" and "there for you" in a more casual yet supportive way. Sometimes we tend to focus more on the (perceived) rejection than simply moving on to find what/who we need in life...🖖
@minahesh
3 жыл бұрын
As a human fully in the middle of her life, I can say that my experience with loss has been vast. The two people lost in my life that affected me the most were a best friend that ghosted me, and another best friend that "broke up with me" because I left to go to medical school. Out of all the other partners and other types of friendships lost (even the death of my father), I continue to think and bemoan these 2 friends. Ghosting is awful. I think it truly brings out a sort of existential crisis in that you wonder what makes you so terrible that people leave you without the courtesy of saying good bye?? Going straight to your podcast recommendation now. Thanks!! #unavailable4servitude
@kaylaworley6109
3 жыл бұрын
I feel so interested by the phrase "unavailable for servitude"... Because servitude can have a connotation of being dominated, or of giving freely to someone else (like the volunteers you mentioned). I'm not sure if that phrasing is as precise as I would like it. To me, surviving domination feels like more about agency; whether I am able to be externally forced, or if I am able to have the space to act from my own internal voice.
@brittanymcmcmc9730
3 жыл бұрын
Leena your aesthetics of your videos are so unique. And your messages and content are so helpful.
@Leila2023_
3 жыл бұрын
Leena I am so glad I randomly found your channel today. Over the past month I started making these videos where i sat in a field and just spoke about things... i was wondering if anyone would watch them and then one of them got loads of views, then i panicked and made all the videos private because i don't know where i'm going with it... it's a sort of 'rants in a field' about culture ... as i am british living in france and it's totally pointless. your channel has made me want to continue with my rants in a field project. i am very much enjoying your content. thanks for being original. :)
@sunnybee3767
3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE the style of your videos, I feel like I'm watching a tv show and you're a reporter- i love it.
@flyingazebo
3 жыл бұрын
About friendship: I think it's difficult to know what the other person is feeling without talking about it with each other, and other people to collect their views as well. I hope that person's ex-friend didn't break the friendship suddenly, not giving them a chance to respond or try to change. The person receiving harsh truths in friendship, even if they're going through mental health issues, should try to find in themselves understanding for where the other person is coming from, as difficult as it might be. Both parties should listen, actually listen, not just to what they want to hear; seek the middle ground, be humble, less selfish, without assumptions about the other person. But the best intentions are often misrepresented, if somebody is looking through their only one skewed, narrow lens. It's sad and heart breaking, and i wish friendships didn't break, but life (shit) happens and everything is an experience that makes us. Hugs to everyone!
@madelineanderson96
3 жыл бұрын
My best friend I describe as a plutonic life partner! I am queer and non-monogomous but even so, I do have people I know who are more flexible with partner/friend terms
@BallerineMimi
3 жыл бұрын
An ad played at @12:46 and I genuinely thought you just ended the video there!! Hahaha!!
@keltieem
3 жыл бұрын
Same hahaha “when I find out I’ll let you know” AD
@satinahall
3 жыл бұрын
I had an argument over text with my best friend about 18 months ago (Since it started to feel like I was doing all the work in the friendship, and I also found out she had done something terrible to another one of our friends), and within that short conversation she decided that she didn’t want to speak to me again. This was after three years of being incredibly close, and things ended just like that. It’s a pain that I’m still dealing with today, and I think it’s always going to hurt. But I guess she always mattered more to me than I did to her.
@emilyschettlers
3 жыл бұрын
I really feel for the person whose friend left them because of their troubles. The exactly same thing happened to me and I feel the same way this person does. I went through the whole loss process as if I didn't just have a friendship that was over but like the friend died. We had been best friends for 6 years one of the , if not the longest friendship I'd ever had. This happened a year ago for me and it still hurts and I still think about them and I wish I could revive the friendship. I did reach out but nothing came out of it. I suppose in the end I can only say that we were friends, we both had issues that we helped each other with, we both had and continue to have lives outside of each other and now we're living those lives without each other in them. I hope the person who lost their friend finds new friends! In fact, we can be friends!
@bookishkat.3390
3 жыл бұрын
Late to the party as always, but I think it's so important to talk about friendships coming to an end. Media representation often portray life long friends but people change and sometimes you change so much that the relationship with the other person does not work at all. It's particularly difficult if the other person still 'likes' you and you just cannot reciprocate. I don't have a solution but I found it a particularly difficult issue post uni when my life and the lives of so many of my uni friends becoame so different that the friendship was no longer, something one of both sides were interested in nurturing.
@ryanneliza
3 жыл бұрын
This series is like a good philosophy lecture / therapy session / podcast. Thank you for including so much visual content in these. I have trouble focusing on more discussion-based videos, as well as podcasts and audiobooks, and this video style helps so much!
@IzlyeSellos
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the friendship breakup question: I've been the person who broke up with someone I was friends with for about 8 years because of her mental health. Knowing her for that long, I knew she was struggling, but it was when that struggling turned to anger and that anger was directed toward the world that I had to leave. I couldn't handle the black-and-white thinking, the rage over the smallest things, the absolute distrust of any kind of authority, including therapists. After spending a few days at her place, I was mentally broken. I got home and my mom asked "how was the trip?" and I burst into tears. I still loved her, but just because you love someone does not mean they are good for you. All this is to say, there are a few reasons why friendship breakups happen, but I do wonder how many are caused by people treating their friends like their therapists or their partners or their diary.
@FeatherpawStudio
3 жыл бұрын
Love this style of video. Like having a deep, open-minded, intellectual conversation with a good friend whilst wandering around the countryside. One of my favourite pastimes!
@marja2909
3 жыл бұрын
I guess the dream of wealth also stems from a desire to be accepted by others, to be told that you're worthy. As things are right now such worth/'success' is strongly linked to income, e.g. a succesful artist is someone who's paintings sell for high prices, interviews with authors are accompanied by pictures of their expensive downtown apartements..
@agathepower1219
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly my thoughts! I want my skills to be appreciated, and in the workplace that typically means being paid well for them...
@raapyna8544
3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes... I worked a summer in Greenland in a fish factory, and the complete absense of this made me see it in my regular life. Here (in Finland) not having a professional diploma is a failure, in Greenland it was the norm to have just highschool diploma and people's worthyness of warmth and community didn't seem to be tied to achievement or class. Makes you think.
@heyhaileyjoy
3 жыл бұрын
I always love these rambly existential chats, Leena! They really do feel like listening to a close friend share her thoughts and ideas while you wander around together.
@thegreenworld6440
3 жыл бұрын
Did Craig film this? If so, the lad did a good job
@catcreme
3 жыл бұрын
that difference between friendships and partnership is very good! I'm asexual so it's very difficult to explain to people that you want a partner, someone who will be on your team and that relationship can be perfectly platonic. You're on each others team, you don't ''compare notes'' like you would with your friends.
@jeankvasnicka8339
3 жыл бұрын
I feel richer for having watched this!
@abbytheaardvark
3 жыл бұрын
I really relate to the feelings of the person who said their friend had ended their friendship - I've been in a sort of similar situation, but the way it worked out was a quite different. A friend of mine, who had a lot things going on at the time, asked for my help relating to a complaint against someone they had encountered during our time at university. I had supported my friend through this process, but when they asked me to make a statement about the person whom the complaint was lodged against, I refused. My friend proceeded to cut me off completely, blocked me on all social media, and has never spoken to me since. I understand that they were hurt by my refusal, but I hadn't considered it would be the end of our friendship. It's coming up to a year since it happened and I still think about them every few days. I think we're both justified in our feelings, but I can't help feeling like that cutting me off completely was unfair. It was obviously what they felt they needed, but what can I do about the feelings of loss and upset, and also the feelings of anger/frustration?
@katierose6424
3 жыл бұрын
Agony Leena is the energy U want to put into the world you're so reassuring to watch! Very well articulated thank you so much!
@rainygreymornings
3 жыл бұрын
That was the smartest, most nuanced agony-aunting I’ve ever seen. There are citations and book recommendations and so much wholesome, kind humanity all at once and I think I need you to run a uni or something. I want this sort of input for six semesters straight. 💛 Wholesome (and obviously state-funded) education for everyone!
@stphmrns
3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are SO joyful. I hadn't seen any of your Agony Leena videos before so will be immediately drowning myself in the previous episodes... Thank you! 10/10 excellent brain.
@MariaJoseRangelUwU
3 жыл бұрын
I think heartbreak is just a type of grief. There are many types of grief. We can grief a job, a relationship, someone who died, even ourselves.
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