Don't stop at octaves! You should find the key signature where your synths sound the best too.
@Pyroific
7 ай бұрын
very true, a lot of electronic music is around D-F because the sub bass hits hardest at those frequencies!
@Pyroific
7 ай бұрын
of course!@@tuulymusic3856
@darz_k.
7 ай бұрын
Can you elaborate on that point please? Or link to some info on it?
@Pyroific
7 ай бұрын
the root note of your song, try pitching everything but the drums up or down a few semitones and see what feels best@@darz_k.
@eyvindjr
4 ай бұрын
@@darz_k. This is especially important for the low end. Make sure to pick a key where the lowest note of your bass line is in a sweet spot between to muddy and deep enough by changing the pitch by half steps. You can do this with all other instruments too. For acoustic instruments, the way they are played also matters.
@francisguyo
8 ай бұрын
Music creation has so many secrets just like in this video. You need a lot of learning and deep understanding to create amazing music. Great content!
@ceasarsalad2055
7 ай бұрын
But the thing is these aren't even kept as "secrets". These things are really just naturally adapted through years of experience and one wouldn't even think about explaining this to a beginner because they wouldn't even notice themselves that this is their thought process. It's amazing really how he can teach us small things that makes a huge difference
@Nako3
7 ай бұрын
At the same time you can have 0 music knowledge and still create something great
@ileryon4019
7 ай бұрын
Bruh just learn music theory
@alexmasak
7 ай бұрын
This isn't a secret at all. This is beginner level stuff that you should just intuitively know without anyone telling you
@schqrr
7 ай бұрын
exacttly bro
@hertzcules
8 ай бұрын
I like cheese
@michaellambert5614
8 ай бұрын
Okay
@py_a_thon
7 ай бұрын
Everything is about context. If you mean the meme of "cheesy music", then the context is what you do with that perception. Do you make a meta joke about your cheesy bass line? Do you lean into the concept fully and make an absurdly loud 4 bar loop that hits really loud? Do you invert the concept, and use it as a way to shock the audience before the "real music" kicks in? Or do you just avoid the perception entirely, and then you know what it is that you do not want to create as music?
@unknownmusicman
7 ай бұрын
Me too
@inline4forlife
7 ай бұрын
@@py_a_thon 💯 even the transition here between the two versions added some interest to the track
@VOIDSTRANGER2099
7 ай бұрын
The cheesier the better
@rymbre
8 ай бұрын
I couldn't stop listening to the track previews, the way it switched to version 2 was so good. Awesome tips!
@ac34116
7 ай бұрын
id say the higher octave sounds more cheesy but thats maybe just me, but i agree with you that the change in octave is actually a sweet development if used together
@danny.phanmusic
7 ай бұрын
yup its too good to be in this video
@allseven5177
7 ай бұрын
@@ac34116 I agree. The higher octave sounds more cheesy. It all sounds cheesy.
@MosheBenChaim
7 ай бұрын
@@allseven5177 The music itself is cheesy.. 😂
@ihaetschool3361
8 ай бұрын
another tip for aspiring prodeucers who don't want cheesiness: start out making songs in minor keys... major is arguably the hardest key to work with, after locrian. it's not easy to make something non-cheesy with it. it's also very easy to make something really happy with minor, contrary to how minor is usually described. try making a VI-VII-v-i progression, for example. in A minor, that would be F-G-Em-Am. seriously, it's a great, happy-sounding progression. try throwing in a #VII (G#CD# here)in there, too, it can add some spice to the progression, the sky's the limit here
@andyto629
7 ай бұрын
It’s cool to see someone actually talking classical theory on here, especially Roman numerals
@timmeeow
7 ай бұрын
I love simple tricks that you never think of despite seeming obvious. I'm on board too, sometimes when I say "finishing touches" on a project, that means I'm sitting in my editor incrementing a value in the default window then running it from the top. I know I like what I created, it just doesn't sound good yet lol Great video! The overlay information you add like "|----| subbass would sit here" is so helpful and entertaining to boot.
@Beyond_The_Fade555
8 ай бұрын
I love how generous you are with the knowledge u give away, thank u ive been gollowing u for 5 years, and learned the most i know from this channel.
@yamamushi
7 ай бұрын
I love these short to the point videos covering the problem and the solution in a few minutes, rather than the 30 minute videos one comes across from other KZitemrs where they have to try to sell you something at least 3 times in the video and you feel like they could have covered the same thing in a third of the time.
@JoeStuffzAlt
8 ай бұрын
I kind-of liked the cheese, but this tutorial can be used to create cheese. Also, I like some of the EQ tricks.
@TodaysThinks
7 ай бұрын
I think you shoulda started this video with your definition of cheesy. That concept seems subjective. I absolutely love both, for what it's worth. I think having it at the lower octave sounds... More solemn, nervous, or mournful. In shock. Processing. Lots of uncertainty. But version two sounds only triumphant, with no possibility that anything has gone poorly. It's almost a shame to waste the version that is that line on that octave. Is this full track anywhere online? I would love to scribble on it for funsies. Anyway I'll finish watching the video. Only halfway through... 😃
@uffevonlauterbach
8 ай бұрын
I don't really make EDM anymore, but the topic of production is still important, so I feel like I learned something.
@Patricia_Taxxon
7 ай бұрын
this is incomprehensible. 6 minutes of... what, noting the concept of register? your initial example didn't sound "cheesy" it just had a lot of arbitrary emptiness. this isn't "why your tracks sound cheesy" its just a video of you making decisions for specific sounds in a specific track based near exclusively on vibes.
@disrespecc9678
7 ай бұрын
It may be incomprehensible and a video with no end goal, but going off vibes (if you have music theory) seems like it should work
@Patricia_Taxxon
7 ай бұрын
yeah i already go off vibes i dont need a tutorial for that
@disrespecc9678
7 ай бұрын
@@Patricia_Taxxon real
@PATRICKoxoEthafulm
8 ай бұрын
Man that ‘just eq it to make room for the bass ‘was something I needed to hear to get me out of the box
@DonaId_J_Trump
7 ай бұрын
I was waiting for a super subtle change... Then the melody jumps a whole octave 😂
@mattmavromusic
8 ай бұрын
Such a simple but effective tip! Thank you!!
@djicebreaker80
7 ай бұрын
That was pretty cool, thanks for sharing your knowledge about how changing just the octaves makes it’s a sweet and very uplifting feeling, more brighter
@bestlifeever1211
8 ай бұрын
broooo.....value bomb, great track idea too. You should do a remix contest with it
@CombatCatYT
8 ай бұрын
Of course remember. It depends on the song. If you are trying to make a cheesy sounding song. Do that. Creative pursuit triumphs.
@LogicKidroy
7 ай бұрын
Big Z sharing really useful knowledge.
@SunIsLost
7 ай бұрын
Yep
@JulesKennedvitch
8 ай бұрын
This is what I was thinking of lately ! It's amazing how this video was suggested to me at the right moment ! Great content, thank you ! And your music sounds so good !
@xxzman
7 ай бұрын
Such a sick track. Great tips and sounds!
@FrankHarding-g6c
7 ай бұрын
Love it, this stuff is so important but so few people take the time to talk about it. Biggups!
@hubertprieger1766
8 ай бұрын
Super great tip! Your advice is very helpful. Thanks so much and thanks for your great music! I like this track
@devohnhenry5828
5 ай бұрын
hey big z! if its worth your time can you make tut on how you create your chords for songs. genres of piano house like MK?
@youngkizzi9944
8 ай бұрын
Just sooo insane ❤❤❤
@hannesjilmstad
8 ай бұрын
Haven't even watched the video or listened to the demos for the new pack but I just bought it anyway because vol. 1 was the best purchase of my life
@joewolf38
7 ай бұрын
I think that's the first thing you realise when you start making music. How to place instruments in "space" and "time". Like in classical music:-). (chord breakdown, layering)
@apersononurphone920
7 ай бұрын
"powerful instead of cheesy" okay this guy gets it
@deatheternal720
7 ай бұрын
I did a track a cpl nights ago(for my wife as a valentines gift- it will premier on valentines on my channel rofl) where I took an 808, made one pattern, then copied it and all the mixing plugins(compressor for sidechain, util for stereo widening, and a cpl other things) and the pattern, but i pitched it down an octave for the sub, aand i put an eq 8 on the main where i made room for the sub. I also made the sub super wide comparatively.
@KableTdi
11 күн бұрын
also you could sidechain the sub to the bass
@ypy6337
8 ай бұрын
Is This rule for bass for EVERY LAYER? Or it's just for SUBBASS?
@djruslanmazaev
5 ай бұрын
beautiful track bro
@weakw1ll
7 ай бұрын
0:55 WOAH
@quinnobi42
7 ай бұрын
I could definitely tell there was something more going on in the high end in the one-two comparison at the beginning. I didn't realise that moving whole parts up or down an octave could sound so similar. I guess with the synths there's a lot of overtones so it wouldn't be as noticeable as on an acoustic instrument.
@Beos_Valrah
7 ай бұрын
Acoustic instruments usually have many overtones too
@quinnobi42
7 ай бұрын
@@Beos_Valrah certainly, but obviously in a different way since they sound different.
@Beos_Valrah
7 ай бұрын
@@quinnobi42 This is not in your initial comment, you can edit it
@phillynn79
7 ай бұрын
Wow, nice and unforgettable advice, thanks! And great track!
@saras1150
7 ай бұрын
great advice!
@Fiveash-Art
7 ай бұрын
That song reminds me of the scene when Natalie Portman's character is communicating with that weird A.I alien god thing at the end of Annihilation.
@Beatsbasteln
7 ай бұрын
i totally forgot that this was something i learned at some point
@allans1212
8 ай бұрын
Each video is a masterclass 🔥
@ericgoldin4600
8 ай бұрын
Thanks Big Z you da man!
@Paraay
8 ай бұрын
Basic but extraordinarily and remarkably important 🔥
@johnsignoretti4002
8 ай бұрын
Great tutorial!! Any future tutorials on EDM melody composition?? Thank you very much
@vin3421
8 ай бұрын
Damn son you make dem synth sound fine.
@Stochholm
8 ай бұрын
Are you going to publish this track soon?.. It´s amazing
@AlexGeek
7 ай бұрын
The synths alone remind me of Jarre
@gothicwvlff
6 ай бұрын
2:14 daniel give me coffee
@kipchickensout
7 ай бұрын
Version 1 and 2 - from "meh not my type" to "yeeeeeeeahh"
@Walid.OnTheTrack6725
7 ай бұрын
i'm gonna watch your whole channel
@musicbycarlo
8 ай бұрын
You're an OG, Big Z.
@kxhu
7 ай бұрын
you moved the second one up?
@jnfe
7 ай бұрын
I want to hear this song in full. Where is it?
@Nedvio
8 ай бұрын
Awesome video as always
@proxzi
7 ай бұрын
useful stuff
@JulianMaea
7 ай бұрын
yes, you’re shaking your head more in post lol
@beantreats
8 ай бұрын
really great explanation style
@mou_aissa
8 ай бұрын
Nice job mate !!
@JulianMaea
7 ай бұрын
great tips for everyone!
@alexanderperisteris8163
7 ай бұрын
nice track!
@leakso1
7 ай бұрын
you win the internet for 2024
@mystikrebel1089
8 ай бұрын
really good tips !
@johnviera3884
7 ай бұрын
this is The Business guy!
@AstronixStudios
7 ай бұрын
what software is this
@BVSISofficial
7 ай бұрын
Great channel thank you
@JimijaymesProductions
7 ай бұрын
If you want extra cheesy just copy and do all 3 of those octaves for that lead synth.
@BrandNewUsername
8 ай бұрын
That's why trumpets are cooler than trombones 😎
@kiplingtturner
8 ай бұрын
Oh octaves and tunes hmmm u know I was hoping it was an eq fix
@AdrianMakBC
7 ай бұрын
you are a genius
@julianmoncada6764
7 ай бұрын
Great video!!
@scottbitz5222
7 ай бұрын
Under ~30 hz, you stop hearing that sound and start feeling it and typically you're only going to see those kinds of subwoofers capable of outputting those frequencies at festival grounds.
@bennybutler1267
7 ай бұрын
your shit rules! Thanks so much for these awesome videos
@Astral-Sine-Techno
8 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. : )
@noracola5285
7 ай бұрын
*sighs* *edits all my tracks*
@nickbatt399
7 ай бұрын
Thank you I love you
@jusspreyy3466
8 ай бұрын
what daw do you produce on?
@floridastreethockey
8 ай бұрын
insane tutorial
@mutio6278
8 ай бұрын
This is so good
@rolandgerard6064
8 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@2cthetruth
8 ай бұрын
The difference is the way you dance. Dance for me oooohhhh. 🤣🤣🤣
@justinthiele5967
7 ай бұрын
What does LOOK UP ABOVE as a reply to everyone’s comments mean exactly?
@Nebvla
7 ай бұрын
It's a bot spamming the chat referencing the username that's above I think Don't
@wjdgjs369
7 ай бұрын
💯💯💯
@deejaysoulution
8 ай бұрын
amazing
@darkus6ix
8 ай бұрын
Because I want to.
@trollingisasport
8 ай бұрын
I have the same issue with my voice
@g.o.9513
8 ай бұрын
I need a t shirt to celebrate this video
@Uncrushed04
7 ай бұрын
So it is actual easy being cheesy?
@AntechamberAE
7 ай бұрын
Step 1: Use major key Step 2:
@sql64
7 ай бұрын
when does the non cheesy example start
@darencastaneda5085
8 ай бұрын
Nice!
@PhO3NiX96
8 ай бұрын
My basses always sound like absolute crap, i seriously don't know what to do at this point, even with the tip from this video it just sounds awful. :'(
@jordancarral
8 ай бұрын
Just download good serum presets .. like from top producers and use a reference track to match the level by ear
@PhO3NiX96
8 ай бұрын
@@jordancarral I can't find serum presets with good basses, they all sound awful imo
@Pattarns_Music
8 ай бұрын
Room acoustic treatment ;)
@blindcamel6236
8 ай бұрын
the lowest octave 🔥
@Ffhh391
6 ай бұрын
😂are you try sell that pesets
@marcus_ohreallyus
7 ай бұрын
This is so subjective. Do you possess some kind of scientific gear that measures the amount of cheese? But I did learn something new, so thank you.
@SamuTheFrog
7 ай бұрын
I see your point but those totally werent the same things, at all. Just in same key & same sort of flow.
@happysinha
8 ай бұрын
I need modern Synth vol 1 I have rupay card not workiing 😏
@georgejobe9402
7 ай бұрын
One simple reason: music theory. If the same song isn't recognisble and doesn't sound anywhere near as good on a piano, then most of the time its not good.
@Beos_Valrah
7 ай бұрын
According to who, you? The piano is different from synths, naturally they are not really comparable.
@georgejobe9402
7 ай бұрын
@@Beos_Valrah Yeah that’s absolutely correct. The sounds aren’t comparable but the concept remains the same: to have a good song it needs to be a good song melodically especially if it’s sounding “cheesy”. I don’t mean this works every time but just generally melodic and harmonic elements of a track far outweigh instrumentation and texture so should stand alone without any extra support.
@Beos_Valrah
7 ай бұрын
@@georgejobe9402 Well, this is your opinion. There are (for sure) people who prefer texture and instrumentation / sound design over melody, e.g. they like certain kinds of techno over ballads. Whether something sounds cheesy or not is also subjective, by the way.
@dragon-id5uj
7 ай бұрын
you dont know! maybe my tracks sound cheesy cause i sampled cheese-related audio!! when you assume, something something u and me!!! 😢 😭 😿 😢
@BillyBoi911
8 ай бұрын
That’s an intense low cut on that stab sound 😅
@santhymx
8 ай бұрын
36 db per octave lool
@darkozoric4184
8 ай бұрын
Like version 1. Version 2 sounds cheesier to me. Version 1 sounds more mysterious
@hadedafx
7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 “cheesy not good”
@ctrainbeats
7 ай бұрын
if anyone could check out my beats and provide criticism i would greatly appreciate it - i feel like my sound has been pretty stagnant for a while and i just want to improve
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