Hey BEAT fam! What's upppppp? I hope you are doing great today. I really hope you enjoy this video and remember to let me know your PERSONAL view on hell below. Enjoy! P.S. Our new merchandise dropped recently so if you like the shirts I've been wearing in the recent videos, click the link in the description to see what we have "in store" (see what I did there) for you! Ha.
@nikokapanen82
Жыл бұрын
This is what a great portion of Christians believe: let's take a man who would live in Israel in apostles time, he would be a basic Jew who had let's say a similar belief system that Ben Shapiro has, who would hear the Gospel like Ben Shapiro did but just like Shapiro would not believe it. This person would have a wife and children an would work hard to provide for his family but at 30 years old he would end up in an accident and die and naturally, because he did not believe the Gospel, he would end up in Hades. In Hades, which is the kingdom of Satan, he would begin to receive an unfathomable torture by demons and this torture would be 24/7 nonstop all the way until the Judgment Day which would happen 3000 years later. Then, just like Revelation 20:13-14 says, he would be released from Hades, from that miserable constant torture to feel peace again but he would be released only to be judged by God now to be sent back into another torture but now into the lake of fire and for eternity. People, with all seriousness, don't you see that something is horribly twisted in this way or reasoning? That a person who only lived for 30 years, never torturing anybody for one second, who would live working hard and provide for his family, would first die and end up to be tortured by demons for 3000 years nonstop and then finally released from that torture but only to receive a judgment of more torture and now for eternity? Don't you see that this is an utter debauchery of any type of justice, goodness and righteousness?
@f.k.b.16
Жыл бұрын
Just want someone else's take on this... Hell is real, God created the place, but the environment of Hell creates itself. Imagine an eternal earth if you removed the fruits of the Spirit. Love, joy, peace, showing patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Then to add to the ugly, just remove God from it.
@f.k.b.16
Жыл бұрын
Also, two other things... let us not overlook the heart of the person asking, "How can a loving God torture people in hell forever and still claim to be good?" Also, so many people think Satan is in control of Hell when that could not be further from the truth.
@nikokapanen82
Жыл бұрын
@@f.k.b.16 But it is written in the Bible dozens of times from the OT to the NT that in the end God will release His flaming wrath upon the sinners. Like this verse: "And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?” Rev 6:16
@nikokapanen82
Жыл бұрын
@@f.k.b.16 Satan is the ruler of Hades, that is his kingdom. This is why it is written in the Revelation that Hades will give up its dead and will be thrown into the lake of fire. Just ask yourself what things will be thrown into the lake of fire? Answer: Evil things. And Hades will be thrown there which means it is an evil place. Also, read Rev 9 where the underworld or the abyss was opened and all these weird looking evil demons came out with their king demon the Abaddon or Destroyer.
@TheDudeAbides95
Жыл бұрын
All I know, is we don’t wanna be anywhere near there. Being close to God is where we need to be.
@tuoyoedukugho1807
Жыл бұрын
It's eternally wiped from existence, everlasting destruction, never to be seen or heard of again, while those who know God will leave for billions and billions of years without seeing death.
@emmanuelimumolen8660
Жыл бұрын
@@tuoyoedukugho1807So what happens to the fire? Jesus said the fire does not quench. The bible said they have no rest day not night. Bro, let strive to be in God's Kingdom.
@tuoyoedukugho1807
Жыл бұрын
@@emmanuelimumolen8660 when the time is right, everyone will understand, in Revelation it says, death and hell would be thrown into the fire as well. It is a symbol of eternal distruction, as fire destroys a thing forever so would this eternal fire destroy thoes that are not found written in the book of life, as well as Satan, his Angels then finally death and hell (grave) because all who would be alive would never die and would not sin because they love God (Jehovah)
@emmanuelimumolen8660
Жыл бұрын
@@tuoyoedukugho1807 let's get the concept of annihilation out of our heads and strive to know God more in our lives. If torment in hell or the lake of fire isn't forever I don't think Jesus would come to pay such a huge price.
@TheMcrico84
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@Corinthians--ek4kt
Жыл бұрын
You still have breath in your body.....its Not too late........Choose JESUS ❤
@JesusFreak89
Жыл бұрын
Amen
@mardoqueorodas3244
Жыл бұрын
True dat
@alohaohana901
Жыл бұрын
And then what?
@kimmytuna5180
Жыл бұрын
@@alohaohana901you go to heaven and not hell. Were you sleeping through that part?
@anthonyhall3425
Жыл бұрын
@@kimmytuna5180 ok 🤣🤣😂😂
@leeemerson2235
Жыл бұрын
"I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation." 2nd Corinthians 6:2b (NIV)
@markhicks2800
Жыл бұрын
God's mercy endures forever!
@GregS4Jesus
11 ай бұрын
“He will not keep His anger forever.”
@Mark_Jacobson81
11 ай бұрын
That’s contradictory to sending someone to hell forever though isn’t it? I mean, everyone can change their ways. So why doesn’t god forgive people who are in hell? If his mercy endures forever, then why not help and save those who want to be saved?
@Yahshuaismyeverything
10 ай бұрын
Yea unless you reject Jesus then you're doomed forever
@yuiopoli9601
7 ай бұрын
With TORTURE! Because He Loves us!
@albertbinion5984
3 ай бұрын
Christian Universalism
@jerrynash8920
Жыл бұрын
Trust in the Lord with all of your heart. And don't lean on your own understanding. I agree with you Brother Parr.
@tammi67able
Жыл бұрын
Amén proverbs 3:5
@Mrm1985100
Жыл бұрын
That doesn't mean "sear your conscience and follow some person on the internet"
@mattloyselle9218
Жыл бұрын
Yet we don't trust him, when he says he will reconcile all things to himself.
@Patto2276
11 ай бұрын
The speaker is also leaning on his own understanding. Why should anyone take his word for it over any other?
@darkwun6724
Жыл бұрын
I agree with Allen on this subject but what I would share with every is be careful not to take comfort in the possibility of hell being a metaphorical place. If God uses terms like “eternal fire, fire will never be quenched, tormented day and night with no relief” I think we would all agree God is being very clear this is a place YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO.
@PeaceBeStill-
Жыл бұрын
Amen.
@jeandavidmukuna4437
Жыл бұрын
100%
@jdoe981
Жыл бұрын
I have always thought of it as an actual physical place.
@caman171
Жыл бұрын
well allen is a reformed calvinist, so according to his theology you have no choice of where u go anyways. so all the warnings in the world do no good. according to his beliefs, God has already predestined who will go to heaven and hell
@biblethumper1624
Жыл бұрын
Hell is literal and so is Heaven.
@MikeN1375
Жыл бұрын
Imagine the hurt that God has endured throughout the years when His creation has chosen to disobey and follow evil. He is love, but we should not forget that fear of Him is wisdom.
@travisboman7531
Жыл бұрын
Especially when Jesus was rejected by his own people!
@STROND
Жыл бұрын
@@travisboman7531 Yes, but he is not a sadistic God, he is a God of love !
@nanipl1
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what it’s been in my mind since two weeks ago.
@horridhenry9920
Жыл бұрын
How do you “hurt” an omnipotent being? An omniscient God would have seen all this coming and still decided to create, so it’s all Gods will.
@FollowerOfChrist0708
Жыл бұрын
Amen!🙏
@Gus_the_goober
4 ай бұрын
one question: if jesus suffered so that we dont have to, why isnt he burning forever? why did he only temporaraly suffer for billions of people who would have to suffer for all eternity? was his pain infinite? something isnt clicking here.
@ILoveGod777
Жыл бұрын
every time someone sins it breaks God’s heart. Imagine how broken it would be- the entire world is full of sinners but he still loves every single one of them so so much. please, please guys try hard not to sin, God will help you if you pray for strength. God bless you all, amen.
@yuiopoli9601
7 ай бұрын
So you get TORTURED FOREVER.
@flyingspaghettiauditor
6 ай бұрын
"Sins" are just arbitrary rules made up by god. They are sometimes tied to morality, but not always. Sins are subject to change. Some sins used to require the death sentence (like working on the Sabbath) but now they're fine. God changed his mind. He's the one responsible for his own heart getting broken, considering he designed us incapable of following all his petty rules.
@yuiopoli9601
6 ай бұрын
@@flyingspaghettiauditor If you saw innocent people being murdered would your heart break?
@flyingspaghettiauditor
6 ай бұрын
@@yuiopoli9601 Yes. That's why I'm more moral than your god. Your god is the one killing innocents. Exodus 11:5
@yuiopoli9601
6 ай бұрын
@@flyingspaghettiauditor Who is my GOD?
@BenjaminSam100
Жыл бұрын
Very very insightful. Let's continue praying for those that are lost and for opportunities to share our faith
@Corinthians--ek4kt
Жыл бұрын
Pray,Repent and Stay in GODS Word Daily ❤
@FollowChrist..
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@daughteroftheking3220
Жыл бұрын
Amen. May God help us stay focused on him and his word daily, especially in this twisted world we live in.
@tammi67able
Жыл бұрын
Amén ❤❤❤❤
@junnexxuss
6 ай бұрын
Asking for forgiveness from sins committed and REPENTANCE are two different things.
@tomm6167
Жыл бұрын
"I will not contend forever, nor will I always be angry; for the spirit would grow faint before me, and the breath of life that I made." (Isaiah 57:16)
@josephdoctor6423
Жыл бұрын
Hell is very real and you don't want to be there
@dannyboi472
Жыл бұрын
That is true. Doesn’t mean it lasts forever
@Ght-ye6ls
Жыл бұрын
@dave1205 it does my friend scripture says so
@jjphank
Жыл бұрын
@@dannyboi472 14 verses say hell is eternal, at least, & there’s probably more including some old testament verses! These 14 verses; have to harmonize with the rest of the Bible to have accurate exegesis ! If Jesus and the Holy Spirit say hell is eternal, then don’t go against what they say ! Study this young man, because you don’t wanna get caught uttering idle words, because they will be judged Matthew 12:36 !
@redeemed99
Жыл бұрын
@@dannyboi472Hell is eternal, don't believe the lie of the doctrine of 'Annihilation'
@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ
Жыл бұрын
@@dannyboi472, you need to read the KJV Bible, because Jesus Christ says it’s eternal torment, and He does not Iie. You have been deceived, because OT and NT scriptures portray the pit of fire as being ETERNAL.
@mychannel-gp6nd
Жыл бұрын
People's view don't matter. God's truth only matters. If you don't know, don't look to man for explanation, turn to God for revelation.
@Yahshuaismyeverything
10 ай бұрын
Facts the bible says its forever and ever idk why people can't comprehend that
@yuiopoli9601
7 ай бұрын
Yeah because GOD has obviously been clarifying for man.
@BibleSamurai
5 ай бұрын
facts
@mockupguy3577
4 ай бұрын
I could as well ask a rotten apple.
@Heartfeltvoice1727
3 ай бұрын
I definitely agree. Don’t just trust and except man’s opinion. Read God’s word, the Bible. In it you will find everlasting Life🎚️‼️
@esromzerihun3572
Жыл бұрын
Hell is what i deserve because of my sin. Yes, that torment is what i really deserve. But blessed be my God who loves me so much and offered me eternal life through his son.
@Jeanettesboxingchannel
2 ай бұрын
Amen!
@petedefay5490
Жыл бұрын
JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE AMEN! GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER ALLEN!
@unique5277
Жыл бұрын
One thing for sure it ain't no joke God gave me a Dream about Heaven & Hell and i saw people burning it's up to you fellas GBU! 🙏🏿
@chelsea5226
Жыл бұрын
A friend told me the worst part of hell was the idea of being separated from God, not being able to pray, talk to Him, to be removed from the Presence of Ultimate Goodness and Glory. As a person who grew up in the church, talking and praying to God my whole life, that was the most terrifying thought.
@spacelinx
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t grow up Christian for half of my life. There is a huge difference in my Christian version of self vs my not Christian version of self. I still have my struggles and doubts like anyone else, but I can say the separation from God is far worse than you can imagine, and that’s just experience comparisons of nonChristian vs Christian life now.
@jimjuri6490
Жыл бұрын
If we read the Bible, there are only two options. Being given the gift of everlasting life. Or losing out on it. No one can get the gift of everlasting life along with torture. This scripture would help understand this. (John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be DESTROYED but have EVERLASTING LIFE.
@Berean_with_a_BTh
Жыл бұрын
@@jimjuri6490The idea that the wicked cease to exist (annihilationism) immediately or after an undefined period instead of being eternally punished is unbiblical. That gehenna is a place of eternal torment is plain enough from Matthew 25:46 and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 and Hebrews 6:2. The Beast's followers get special mention (Revelation 14:9-11), as does anyone following Satan at the end of the millennium (Revelation 20:7-10). Note: • The 'eternal destruction' of 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is an ongoing process, not simply an instantaneous event. The word ὄλεθρος (olethros), translated 'destruction' there, does not imply extinction, non-existence or annihilation (cf. the 3 other occurrences in the Greek text of the NT: 1 Corinthians 5:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:3; 1 Timothy 6:9). • In Hebrews 6:2, κρίμα (krima) emphasizes the result, not the process. • The fact that 'Gehenna' is used in two senses does not make its use in Revelation metaphorical. On the contrary, the Valley of Hinnom has become the metaphor. Anyone who understands how metaphors work would know that.
@meganbohun1483
Жыл бұрын
Final punishment as being sent to a place of separation from God is not the biblical or traditional view. Instead it is referred to repeatedly as God’s wrath being poured out.
@jimjuri6490
Жыл бұрын
@@Berean_with_a_BTh : It is best to read what the Bible states. When God decreed death as a penalty for Adam's sin, this is what he said. (Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” No one can RETURN to a place or state that he has never been. The only state that Adam could return to is of nonexistence. The state he was in prior to his creation. Romans 6:7,23 clearly state that we die because of sin. Thus, having paid the penalty for sin, we are cleared of it at death. If there is any torturing to be done after a person dies(illogical, but for argument sake), it would be to a sinless person. Because everyone who dies has been cleared of his sins, BOTH the righteous and the unrighteous get resurrected under Jesus' Kingdom rule (Acts 24:15). These resurrections give humans a new opportunity to qualify for: (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Surely people have come across the term 'Everlasting Life'. John 3:16. The only opposite is 'Everlasting DEATH'.
@WeAreRoyalty7
Жыл бұрын
God is Eternal so everything else outside of time, matter an space is eternal. God’s word doesn’t return void. 🔥
@jjphank
Жыл бұрын
That’s the first verse in the Bible, and the first law of thermodynamics … The second law of thermodynamics, Comes from the same verse that We also see that death is a continuous state genesis 2:17 (The Bible keeps it real about science) “The day you eat of the fruit you will die” Adam and Eve ate the fruit and they did not die in a finality state. They started dying both physically and spiritually, when the verbiage says they will die that day; so that means death is a continuous state. !
@miketay6674
4 ай бұрын
My view is even if we go in he'll there is hope that every one after he'll can see the light... there is hope 🙏 even for those there I hated.... we are still learning.
@jeanmarie4507
Ай бұрын
Not Biblical.
@donnamaemayers7324
Жыл бұрын
May the mercy of God be upon us and that we live everyday step by step in his word to make it to heaven and with a heart of forgiveness in the mighty name of our Lord Jesus Christ savior, Amen.🙏
@puglover8171
Жыл бұрын
Former Roman Catholic here . Jesus died once, and paid it all . He isn't recrucified during mass. No need to pay for our sin on purgatory , Jesus paid it all .
@datchet11
Жыл бұрын
Music to my ears freind.
@der_Wayne
Жыл бұрын
Christian here: Jesus paid it all for those who choose and love HIM to the end. Amen!
@MrNikkiNoo
Жыл бұрын
What is the scripture that says Jesus paid the price?
@datchet11
Жыл бұрын
@MrNikkiNoo Hebrews 10:10 ESV And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
@seanthompson5077
Жыл бұрын
Where does it say in the Catholic Catechism that Jesus is “re-crucified?”
@douglasswinerd4187
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad that you brought some of the scriptures to support the annihilation view. Thank you for that. I would love if you could make an episode where you have a discussion with pastor Doug Batchelor. Discussing that issue. I know his always willing to talk about those things with people. It might make a really interesting video. I'd love to watch it
@alexmassie7070
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see that as well. But 9 times out of ten he won't because they go watch what that person teaches and realize they won't win the debate if they do so. But I believe God will show Allen the truth sooner or later just as He did with the false tongue movement. Just keep praying for him. God is able.
@BurrritoYT
3 ай бұрын
I love how he literally said you don't have the right to use logic, reason, or morals against god
@madkabal
3 ай бұрын
You don't. Who do you think you are?
@BurrritoYT
3 ай бұрын
@@madkabal 15:15
@carolj449
Жыл бұрын
Excellent breakdown! always clear and perfectly presented.there should be no questions about hell after watching this video! Well done brother.🙏✝️❤️Traditional view all the way!
@jessejive117
Жыл бұрын
That’s insane. Why do you believe that? He didn’t give a second verse that says your tormented forever for not being saved. Not even the one in revelation.
@michaelbrutsche75
Жыл бұрын
How many hells are there according to Deuteronomy 32:22 ?
@Natalie82170
Жыл бұрын
The punishment is eternal, not the punishing.
@LaurelBelleW
Жыл бұрын
amen - John 316
@patriciaramirez4257
11 ай бұрын
Exactly the punishment is eternal meaning it never changes there is no more chance no more resurrections you are dead forever the second death means eternal death
@philipbuckley759
11 ай бұрын
@@patriciaramirez4257 death means separation....not a ceasing to exist...
@@philipbuckley759 Re: Eternal life v. Eternal punishment. Psalm 59:12 Because of the sinful things they say, because of the evil that is on their lips, let them be captured by their pride, their curses, and their lies. 13 Destroy them in your anger! Wipe them out completely! Palm 59:13 consume them in your wrath, consume them till they are no more. NIV Hebrews 10:26 26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. 27 There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. NLT 26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Destroy them, wipe them out completely, consume them, & devour them means be alive & tortured for eternity, when we no how 2 turr-purr-N-tape write means be alive & tortured for eternity!! THING-alley-lulu-yuh!
@TaiidanOnslaught
Жыл бұрын
I’ve always held the traditional view of Hell. I always thought it was weird when I heard other versions because they always feel like “Fan Fiction” where everyone wins in the end regardless because God is just that nice. I won’t lie, it scares the crap out of me. Part of me is defiant and doubting. Im always afraid and often pray to God that on the day I meet him, he will not say “I did not know you”, and that he will keep working on me.
@horridhenry9920
Жыл бұрын
Are you afraid of other religions version of hell? It’s all the same man made mythology.
@user-vt3vo1yd3v
Жыл бұрын
Are you afraid of islams hell? It’s way more descriptive and horrible than christianity’s hell. Are you afraid of the buddhist hell? Are you afraid of the greek hell?
@mattdillon4398
Жыл бұрын
@@user-vt3vo1yd3v You don't seem to be afraid of ANY hell! You unscientifically and foolishly try to confirm that belief by using the fact that other religions speek of hell as proof that the hell in the bible is not real! A grave error and a HUGE gamble! If the original commentor is wrong, they have lost nothing! If you are wrong, you will lose everything! Food for thought. Stop hanging on to your sin and turn to Christ.
@maxamahnken7325
Жыл бұрын
No ever burning hell. Hell: the grave. Not a place of ever burning, fiery torment.
@silasr20
Жыл бұрын
@@maxamahnken7325exactly the wicked will be ashes once they’ve been judged
@NathanBlackberry
3 ай бұрын
I am Christian Universalist God loves all!🥺🙏✝️
@tomm6167
3 ай бұрын
There's a lot of biblical support for your position: "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive ... God [will] be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:22,28) "As one trespass [Adam's] led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness [Jesus'] leads to justification and life for all men." (Romans 5:18) "God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36) "...every knee shall bow to me [God], and every tongue shall confess to God." (Romans 14:11) " ... at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:10-11) "And I [Jesus], when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32) "And every creature which is in heaven and on earth and under the earth I heard saying, 'Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb forever.'" (Revelation 5:13) "O you who hear prayer, to you shall all flesh come. When iniquities prevail against me, you atone for our transgressions." (Psalm 65:2-3) "All your works shall give thanks to you, O Lord." (Psalm 145:10a) "I will not contend forever, nor will I always be angry; for 'the spirit would grow faint before me, and the breath of life that I made'." (Isaiah 57:16) "The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end. ... " (Lamentations 3:22) Also see John 17:2, Romans 5:19-20, 8:19-21, Ephesians 1:10, Philippians 3:21, Colossians 1:20, 1 Timothy 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Peter 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Revelation 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Revelation 22:1,14-15,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, Isaiah 25:6-8, 45:22-25, Lamentations 3:31, Ezekiel 16:53,55, Malachi 3:2-3, The Total Victory of Christ videos.
@NathanBlackberry
3 ай бұрын
@@tomm6167 thank you! Universalism is the truth!🤗🤗🤗❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
@NokuthulaTshazi
Ай бұрын
Sorry, dear Universalist. You can't ignore the wrath of the loving God. He hates sin too much to tolerate it, He is a holy God.
@jeanmarie4507
Ай бұрын
Universalism is a false man-made religion. As most are.
@Julie-g2w
12 күн бұрын
@@tomm6167So what does the bible mean when it says that ALL those whose names are NOT in the book of life are thrown into the lake of fire? Some of the verses you have given are taken out of context btw
@SkegeeAce
Жыл бұрын
I think of it like this: Someone might have beaten or molested your child for only 15 minutes, but that doesn't mean they should only be punished for that crime for only 15 minutes. That is because the *impact* of the abuse caused trauma and pain that can last for years and years afterwards. Our sin is an offense to a holy and good God that can cause ripples of offence throughout eternity and that is why something so painful and awful like a crucifixion of God's perfect, innocent Son was required to even open the door to forgiveness and restitution for those who would seek it. It's a hard idea to absorb, but truth is truth regardless of our feelings. The simple fact that hell can be eternal and horrible should propel us to take our faith seriously and to pray for those that are not saved and intercede on their behalf in any way we can. Edit: I want to clarify that while I believe the duration portion of Hell can be real, I do not necessarily support the idea that it's literal burning with fire. I don't have evidence to say one way or another that is definitive, but either way it seems an awful end.
@captainmartin1219
Жыл бұрын
I never got what the big controversy was to be honest. we have plenty of people serving a life sentence for killing multiple people, but the act only took them a few minutes.
@LaMOi1
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely well said !! It’s refreshing to here. Hell has become a weird topic in so many modern churches. It’s right there in the Bible. People are fine with the love of God, but as soon as you start talking about judgement, Hell etc… people go quiet, and eyes go wide like you just called their grandmother an awful name…
@kiki7507
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@SkegeeAce
Жыл бұрын
@@captainmartin1219 Right! I think the idea of *eternity* and potentially an eternity of active *torment* is hard for us (understandably) because even a lifetime in prison is not *that bad* of a punishment in comparison. But the *concept* is absolutely the same; the punishment fits the level of sin, so that should tell us how serious our sin is.
@justfun2203
Жыл бұрын
What's next¿
@ChiefCedricJohnson
Жыл бұрын
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
@ChiefCedricJohnson
Жыл бұрын
I bind the Devil in Jesus' name.
@TriciaPerry-ef7bi
Жыл бұрын
@@ChiefCedricJohnson yes I was in Christ and now feel SPIRITUALLY cut this was not wise as I was in hIm. I want God back. Even to be cleaned and healed. I got tricked MY Nana passed in Christ. I got into TV LIES. Need to get back. I hate I went back. Not listening
@ChiefCedricJohnson
Жыл бұрын
@@TriciaPerry-ef7bi I'm sorry to hear that. I loose the spirit of peace in Jesus' name.
@lionellhall8256
Жыл бұрын
I repent for all my sins in Jesus name 🙏 🙌
@DragonKingYT
7 ай бұрын
Vary good human
@elliottnunez1057
6 ай бұрын
Amen. Brother Amen
@Key-jz7zf
5 ай бұрын
You can't just call on Jesus name. We have to call on the name Lord Jesus or Jesus Christ. There is more than 1 Jesus in the Bible. We have to call the right name. ❤️🙏🏾 Colossians 3:17 KJV
@elliottnunez1057
5 ай бұрын
@@Key-jz7zf I think the correct Jesus KNOWS when we pray to Him. It doesn’t have to be complicated.
@Rbigraff
Жыл бұрын
2 CORINTHIANS 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
@dreamerjazz352
Жыл бұрын
I'm a strong believer, I used to be an atheist. It's because I used to be an unbeliever that my faith is so strong now. It's sort of the idea that you don't truly know what the light is until you've experience complete darkness. With that being said, I lean more towards the metaphorical view. The bible is filled with metaphors and parables, so I can totally see that as a way to describe separation from God. Being separated is just like being tortured. Being a strong believer now, being separated from God is the scariest thing I could even imagine. Being separated by the one and only that created you is pretty scary man. One of my examples is fasting. The bible mentions fasting a lot. Now most people automatically assume its about food, but I believe that fasting is starving yourself of the things of the world that separate you from the lord. The truth is that all we have is the word and what the lord can give you from it. One thing is for sure, nobody wants to be in hell no matter what it really is. I think that's the point that God is trying to make because our human minds will never really find out. I believe its best not to question God, but to take what he gives you through his word and he'll give you confirmation that you're on the right path. But yeah, metaphorical view for me and I'm still going through this believers journey so this can always change.
@alejandroleyva8606
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you. Being away from God is the scariest and emptiest thing you can feel. As a believer I strayed away and decided to do what my will wanted. I felt the emptiness inside. He wouldn’t respond to me because of my life of sin. Thank God for his mercy and he made me know that he truly has always been there for me and not he makes his presence known. I read a book lee Strobel where he says that the metaphor of fire is all about Gods judgment. That hellnis an actual place where there is darkness and that the fact that Gods presence isn’t there is the eternal torment. You will grind and nash your teeth because of this. That what I believe now. But will continue looking into it
@dreamerjazz352
Жыл бұрын
@@alejandroleyva8606 Very well said. Yeah, I'm the same, that's what I believe now but will definitely keep looking into it and praying about it.
@maureentuohy8672
Жыл бұрын
So good Pastor. Frankly, I do not care what hell is like. Because of the grace and mercy of Our Lord Jesus Christ I'm not going there so I'm not wasting my time thinking about it. Praise God.
@jeffrachelburkhalter3783
Жыл бұрын
The Lord Jesus Christ saved us from our sins and God's eternal wrath, so I personally think it's good to think about it from time to time, so that we really appreciate what Christ did for us.
@rng4689
Жыл бұрын
I love thinking about it.@@jeffrachelburkhalter3783
@antoniettegonzales
Жыл бұрын
We should be diligent to understand the word of God to be ready to give an answer to all who would ask and to represent our God correctly, as He has revealed Himself.
@jeffrachelburkhalter3783
Жыл бұрын
@@antoniettegonzales Amen.
@jessejive117
Жыл бұрын
But when we as Christians tell people if you just don’t believe in God, because you weren’t convinced, and then you weren’t also convinced and believe that Jesus is God, and he is the way to heaven your punishment is being submerged in burning fire for all of eternity, and it never ever is one second closer to ending after billions of years. We are teaching people something that so clearly not biblical and so absolutely evil. You should care because that’s going to turn people away from Jesus. I keep reading comments saying logic doesn’t get you to heaven, and actually advocating for not using logic. Well, the Bible is good and truth and it is logical and it’s very often clear, but when we destroy the truth and God’s character in create him to be something really evil, and then defend it, that’s going to turn people away from Jesus. So you should care for more reasons than you aren’t going there. Because if you tell people miss information about hell, they might go there. Because we are lying or deceiving or misleading or confusing people who don’t know Jesus and we are telling them terrible things about Jesus and then saying, but he’s also good while we completely contradict that.
@kevindame3757
Жыл бұрын
View #3 for me, totally scriptural, in accordance with Job, Ecclesiastes, Isaiah, the Psalms. Keep in mind also, the devil is not in a pit somewhere ruling over hell - He is going to and fro on the Earth seeking whom he may devour. Truly also, God alone has immortality, and all who are in the graves sleep until we are raised on the last day, some to eternal reward, others to shame and punishment. May we all come to Christ and be strong in Him. Sodom and Gomorrah was an example suffering the vengeance of eternal fire, yet it is not burning today. Lake of fire, the earth consumed, then all things are made new. Christ the first fruits, then all those who are His AT HIS COMING. For no man has ascended into Heaven but He who came down from Heaven. The thief on the cross?? Well, no commas in Hebrew, punctuation changes everything brothers. Truly I tell you today (,) you will be with me in Heaven. .
@M_Soaring
Жыл бұрын
Kevin, I also lean strongly to view #3. I guess we're not as popular as #1 view which I held to for several decades until the past few years when I looked into other views. Matthew 10:28 was the clincher for me on #3. It also helps me see God's goodness, but either way, if we're wrong I don't sweat it, God's got it. I like what you said about the thief on the cross "today" and Jesus never lies...Blessings bro❤
@stevealexander7133
Жыл бұрын
Kevin, you’re right. #3, Conditional Immortality is the view affirmed by scripture from Genesis to Revelation. The verses he quoted to support the traditional view, when actually interpreted in proper context, all point to final death/destruction of the impenitent.
@maxamahnken7325
Жыл бұрын
Wow, you are correct ----- to 99%. I to give you top marks. The Allan pastor is a joke.
@maxamahnken7325
Жыл бұрын
To he looks weird.
@maxamahnken7325
Жыл бұрын
To odd look.
@nancysmith6685
10 ай бұрын
I was once taught that souls that were sent to hell would be cast into the lake of fire and their soul would be destroyed because it says in the Bible that God is the only one that can destroy both body and soul.
@earlysda
Ай бұрын
That's biblically correct. God bless you.
@paulineholland9901
Жыл бұрын
I choose view one. It lines up on scripture more than any other teaching. 😊
@wigglywaffles1170
Жыл бұрын
I mean wouldn't it be forever? Cuz the Bible stated its eternal. Eternal means forever, never ending just like heaven
@jjphank
Жыл бұрын
Yes it is forever. It’s 14 times at least in the Bible.! Think about every movie ever made, has a happy ending or an escape; the exact opposite of what hell is going to be! this is to desensitize people that they may escape hell when they won’t, and it is forever, they cannot commit suicide ! Sin against eternal God, you get eternal punishment ! Genesis 2:17 death is a continuous state, that verse proves it !
@saferides2474
Жыл бұрын
Don't in the same Bible it says heaven and earth shall pass umm..
@petervonbergen5364
Жыл бұрын
The "forever part" is actually only mentioned once in the whole bible. In Revelation. The aeon-thing he talked about in the video. But revelation is a very very symbolic book. It is also written that death and hades are thrown into the same place which can hardly be literally true, bc death and hades are not persons nor things that you can throw into a fire. All other places in scripture seem more on the side of annihilism if you read careful. Even Jesus himself said, we should fear the one who could destroy body and soul in Gehenna. (The word Hell does not occur in the original scripture). Some are even on the side of the universalsts. F.e. when god says, he wants everybody to repent and be saved and does not enjoy peoples downfall. Would god not get what he wants?
@jjphank
Жыл бұрын
@@saferides2474 it’s not talking about the final heaven look at the original languages , but The second heaven, or outer space! It says the stars, and the sun will disappear before the nation of Israel will disappear! Jeremiah 31:36 “The descendants of Israel will never stop being a nation. That would happen only if I lost control of the sun, moon, stars, and sea.” The LORD says, “I will never reject the descendants of Israel.”
@whitney9844
Жыл бұрын
@@saferides2474Yes, this heaven and earth shall pass after Jesus's millennium reign. A new heaven and earth will be created. That's the eternal home.
@maryblanc2289
Жыл бұрын
I sometimes struggle with forgiving myself. I strayed away from God for years and recently started reading my Bible and attending church but most importantly trying to live a Christian life. I worry for some of my atheists and Muslim family and friends. Some of them are the most kindest, loving, and compassionate people that I know.
@mrupholsteryman
Жыл бұрын
Jesus offers forgiveness... don't let self condemning thoughts override.....plus...forgiving ones self...isn't Biblical. If we only needed to forgive ourselves...most of us would write ourselves into the Kingdom...
@michaelbrutsche75
Жыл бұрын
Many atheists that have a correct view of the character of God and seek to emulate it will go to heaven while the so-called Christians who make God out to be a monster by maligning His character will be gracefully annihilated!
@mrupholsteryman
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelbrutsche75 that doesn't make sense....someone with no belief or relationship with God (Who paid for our sins on the cross) And Jesus claimed that no one could enter into the Kingdom except of they were born again... This idea you have claims that mankind can save themselves by works and that Jesus didn't have to sacrifice His blood on the cross for anyone...
@michaelbrutsche75
Жыл бұрын
Atheists may say they don’t believe in God, but what many of them are saying is that they don’t believe in God as represented by mainstream “Christianity” , (a tyrannical blood thirsty monster). Apostle Paul speaks of such in Romans 2, the Gentiles (atheists) who had not the law (had not the gospel) but showed the work of the law/gospel upon their hearts were to be justified instead of the Jews who had the law/gospel. There will be many that go to Heaven because of the sacrifice of Jesus that didn’t know the man Jesus Christ.
@7Truth7Wins7
Жыл бұрын
@@mrupholsteryman Exactly, we must be "born again" or "born from above", or "born of God". And we are "born again" BY THE WORD which is the "seed" of God, (Luke 8:11) & (1st Peter 1:23). This is why Jesus said that we must "believe" The Word in order to be SAVED...."Those by the wayside are the ones who hear the Word of the Kingdom; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should BELIEVE AND BE SAVED." (Luke 8:12)
@d.a.1230
6 ай бұрын
Dear Mr. Parr- please pray for me. I watched your video just now and it scares me half to death to even be separated from God. I gave my life to the Lord Jesus Christ last August and I fear God so greatly that sometimes I have high anxiety about it. I love the Lord very much and want to be with him and I want to do whatever it takes to spend eternity with him. I don't want to end up in HELL or be separated from GOD. Thanks and God Bless.
@belovedinjesuschrist
6 ай бұрын
Jesus paid it all. Believe it is finished for you!
@joshuaj.jackson
Жыл бұрын
View one has always been the most biblical upon my every examination. Praise the Lord for His salvation from that!
@JC-li8kk
Жыл бұрын
It’s still a toss up for me. Perishable seed seems like it has a definite end & a definite end can be considered eternally dead. I used to think the physical body & the soul would be destroyed (ceasing to exist for eternity) but the corrupt spirit would still exist for eternity. But then I saw that it is referred to as “perishable seed” so that also seems to indicate the fallen spirit will cease as well. The torment in my opinion would be to have all these evil passions & desires of the flesh but no physical body to satisfy them with. Imagine a sex addict losing their body just for 1 month. They’d prob go insane. But how can you even express your insanity without a soul as well? Torment on top of torment. But like I said, if the fallen spirit is considered “perishable seed” that makes this theory difficult to rationalize as well.
@jessejive117
Жыл бұрын
It’s not the most logical. It’s completely illogical and a very immoral believe Christians teach.. I know you don’t praise God for making a burning hell is your punishment for not believing in him, and then praise him when he gives you an option out of that lol that is so stupid when Christian say things like this. Christians need to quit being stupid and I know that’s harsh but that’s a stupid thing for you to say and think. It just is. I’m not saying, I should just let everyone into heaven not forgive them for their sins. But he chooses what happens to them lol stop praising him for not allowing you to be tortured because he gave you an option out. That’s like an abusive husband saying I won’t beat my wife if she doesn’t burn dinner and her being so grateful there’s an option to not be beaten. That’s insane. Just because you know God’s perfect and all loving that doesn’t mean anything. Ridiculous you believe about him that is evil is automatically good.
@jessejive117
Жыл бұрын
He’s already read four verses, and he hasn’t even said one that can nearly be interpreted as people are tormented in hell, except for the one in revelation, which is only for people who take the mark of the beast and it’s not even talking about hell because it’s in the presence of God and the holy Angels… it’s also a part of revelation in a very poetic sounding portion. In revelation, it says Satan, the false prophet, and the beast or Tormenta day and night, forever and ever and anyone else’s name who is not found in the book of life is also cast into the lake of fire. But this is the second death for them. John 316 says Perish or have eternal life. Matthew 1028 says destroys your body and soul in hell. There’s literally nothing in the Bible that ever says your tormented. You just have this assumption that your soul is already immortal and it’s not. The Bible says you were consume like straw in a fire. There are some metaphors that aren’t even really talking about hell that says there’s weeping and gnashing of teeth in prison, which wouldn’t even mean you’re being eternally, tormented in hell. But that’s the most generous interpretation if you’re taking every aspect of parables literal, but then you also have to say, God only answers your prayers, because you pester them because that’s why I Judge answers the request of a woman in the parable. You don’t get to cherry pick what parts of parables you want to apply. They have an overall function. When we tell people that hell is a burning eternal place, which is so far from a loving God and these people see it and don’t want anything to do with God because they’re being just one percent, rational, and not indoctrinated, then we are responsible for turning people away from Jesus, and for them, being separated from God forever, because we are teaching them God is beyond evil. We are teaching them. God is more evil than any being ever created in fiction or reality.
@JoBo301
Жыл бұрын
There is not a single scripture to support eternal conscious torment
@GlitterGalz
Жыл бұрын
It really doesn’t meter if hell is a physical place or not, the people that have regretted the Lord almighty will still either way, suffer physical or metal pain. OR BOTH.
@michaelmappin4425
Жыл бұрын
#1 is correct. God is not doing any torturing any more than light is actively against darkness. They simply don't exist together. The worst thing about hell will be eternal separation from the God that you choose not to be with.
@Blockah
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean? People live without God on the daily and they don't even care because they don't know him. They won't care about God not being there, they will only care about the pain they are in. Eternal life by Christ only, doesn't mean, Everyone in hell gets eternal life and gets to be tortured forever. I couldn't worship a God who tortures my lost loved ones for all eternity that isn't justice that is beyond insane.
@rng4689
Жыл бұрын
Your comment makes the most sense out of any on this board. There's alot of people here that are just a little too enthusiastic about people burning alive forever. @@Blockah
@Trashtatine
5 ай бұрын
I think the traditional view is the right one. I am afraid of hell, but I know that Jesus is there to help me.
@IsaacNussbaum
5 ай бұрын
The word "hell" does not appear in any of the original Bible manuscripts. Neither does any word which means hell. There is no such place as hell.
@courtneyroberts6011
5 ай бұрын
@@IsaacNussbaumACTUALLY, "HELL" IS THE COMMON GRAVE OF MANKIND. IT'S JUST LIKE HADES AND SHEOL FOR THE GREEKS AND HEBREWS. IT'S NOT A PLACE OF TORMENT LIKE MOST PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE THEY REFER TO "THE LAKE OF FIRE" AS "HELL" WHEN IT'S NOT.
@jpbernier4196
Жыл бұрын
Darkness is in the heart. Those shrouded by darkness, in their heart, can't see the light. But those who can love and forgive can see the light and obtain eternal peace.
@TriciaPerry-ef7bi
Жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness please pray for me and BE RESTORED THIS IS UTTER blasphemous and NASTY what I did. I miss my GOD. 😊
@-Ice_Cold-
11 ай бұрын
That's def not about christians and god
@Deffine
10 ай бұрын
@@-Ice_Cold- Have you even read the Bible? Truth, love and forgiveness is the cornerstone of the Gospel, Jesus freeing us from our sins.
@-Ice_Cold-
10 ай бұрын
@@Deffine Yeah, torturing people in the burning cauldron forever - ''love'' It’s enough to look at believers and say what hypocrites they are
@Deffine
10 ай бұрын
@@-Ice_Cold- That's not Biblical. Its called the second death for a reason. You stop existing.
@TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber
Жыл бұрын
The Annihilationist View is the one that makes the most usage of the Scriptures. I've heard "Traditionalists" say that "the Old Testament doesn't mention hell" - which, if it were true, would be a very strange thing, wouldn't it? As if the first 3 quarters of your Bible were completely silent on the fate of the wicked? But it's not silent about the fate of the wicked - it just doesn't say anything about eternal conscious torment. It DOES say that the wicked will be destroyed, burned up, blown away like chaff, dissolved like a snail, made to be as nothing, crushed, killed, trampled underfoot, etc - AND that you will be unable to find them. That they will be no more. And it says that over and over again, in every genre, from every angle. Psalm 37 is a great example. Besides - views that are widely held aren't always true. The majority of people claiming the name of Christ down through history have been Catholics. Should we therefore say that Catholicism is the correct view? How about paedobaptism? There's no Scriptural support for the baptizing of infants - but it's by FAR the more dominant view, over against the anabaptists and other positions. Even among the Protestants, the majority of historical denominations have held that the church should be ruled by Bishops. Do we therefore think the church is ruled by bishops? The historicity of a position doesn't make it true - the Scriptural veracity is what makes it true. And every verse I've ever seen used to support Eternal Conscious Torment either straightforwardly teaches Conditional Mortality when taken in context, or has an equally plausible interpretation of the Hebrew / Greek as-written which leaves open the possibility. This is not a "loophole", as you have claimed; it's exegesis. In fact, the Greek "eternal punishment" CAN'T mean "eternally punishing" like the ECT proponent claims. It is a "noun of action" in the Greek - just like "eternal redemption" (Hebrews 9:12) and "eternal salvation" (Hebrews 5:9). Are we eternally in the process of being redeemed and saved? Even eternal life - are we eternally in the process of receiving more and more life that never really becomes "eternal life"? Or are we given an eternal life in fullness that we then go on to live out the implications of forever? Nor do I grant the "evangelistic power" of the "Traditional View" - if warning about hell were supposed to be a tool in the toolbelt of the evangelist, why is there no mention of hell anywhere in the Book of Acts, when the apostles were spreading the message of Jesus in the early days of the church? The closest we get is Paul's warning about "judgment", but there's nothing in that language which loads it up with "eternal significance". In fact, the phrase "eternal fire" is used to describe the fate of Sodom & Gomorrah several times in the NT - which are, of course, not still burning. They were annihilated by fire from Heaven, which is an example of what will happen to the ungodly. (Jude 1:7, 2 Peter 2:4-6) By the way - we don't start with the premise that God alone is Immortal. The Bible starts with that premise. 1 Timothy 6:16, Genesis 3:22-23
@kalebc2134
Жыл бұрын
This is my general stance on the annihilationism argument. I believe more evidence is in its favor. Both sides have their verses they argue, and both sides really do have good evidence that their view may be true. I feel as though annihilationism better fits with the verses, and better fits with what we know of God’s nature. That being said, if I am incorrect and I get to heaven and find out that Hell is indeed eternal conscious torment, who am I to say that’s wrong? God is just in all his ways. If he has decided something, he is correct and I was not. Doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion of what is true in the modern day What we should all be able to agree on: Hell is bad, whether you go there and stay forever or are eventually annihilated, it’s NOT a place you want to be
@TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber
Жыл бұрын
@@kalebc2134 Yes, 100% agreement. The basis of our belief shouldn't just be our own personal moral evaluations of what we prefer. If the Bible teaches it, I believe I'm bound by it. The Bible, taken in context, with sound hermeneutics, is the authoritative final word.
@IchigosBestFriend
Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber
Жыл бұрын
@@kalebc2134Now that I think about it, I suppose I would nuance this a little bit by saying that, while I don't think the moral question is INsignificant - just that the Scripture is the final word. If Scripture teaches ECT, there has to be some way for us to understand and frame it that wouldn't be morally reprehensible. So the moral intuition isn't the BASIS for my belief in Conditional Immortality, but a supplemental bolstering, an addition. And if all things were equal, I would put the "better seems to represent the moral character of Yahweh" on the Conditional Immortality side of the ledger. Nevertheless, if Scripture explicitly taught ECT, and I wanted to affirm Scripture, then golly I'd better affirm ECT. Happily I think the preponderance of the evidence is clear on the side of Annihilationism.
@kalebc2134
Жыл бұрын
@the-meat-battles disagree. I think part of Hell is to see what heaven is. To suffer highly, then to know all the glory that heaven is and you chose suffering and eventual nonexistence is certainly what many would consider “torment”
@bruinranger13
Жыл бұрын
One of the many issues with view 2 is that even the dead get a physical resurrection. They also get a body, but it’s a body prepared for punishment not a glorified body.
@brother_Tennessee
Жыл бұрын
The wicked will not get another body in the second resurrection, it will be the same corrupted body they went down to the grave with. Only the righteous dead will receive a new body which is prepared incorruptible
@toreyhorton1789
Жыл бұрын
That doesn’t make any sense and it accuses God of being a cruel blood-thirsty tyrant. The scriptures do not convey those that God viewed as bad unrepentant sinners during their life will get resurrected to be punished for their poor behavior prior to death. Death is the penalty for sins as it was when God first introduced the penalty of disobedience to the first man, Adam. *_ROMANS 6:23_* The dead have already paid the wage of sin which is DEATH. Paul talks about the HOPE that he and others entertained regarding BOTH good and wicked people. How his HOPE of BOTH groups being resurrected was shared by others. *_ACTS 24:15_* - having a hope in God, which these men themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust. None of them HOPED that the wicked people are resurrected to be punished AGAIN for the mistakes or sins they committed prior to their FIRST DEATH. *_HEBREWS 9:27_* - all men die ONCE *_REVELATION 20:14_* - but certain people will be subjected to the SECOND death. Obviously, those who were not a part of the FIRST RESURRECTION could be subject to the second death since only that GROUP will completely avoid it.
@cowpokejohnny3419
Жыл бұрын
@@merarigomez6835are you okay??
@theeternalsbeliever1779
Жыл бұрын
The Bible explicitly teaches in Rev. 20:12-15 that the condemned will be resurrected with a physical body to be permanently destroyed in Gehenna fire. Why do you think Matt. 10:28 shows Christ saying "fear Him who is able to destroy both soul _and body_ "? All of traditional Christianity's problems stem from its adherents focusing on the person of Christ instead of what He preached.
@brothercarlos6944
Жыл бұрын
@@brother_Tennesseewhen you guys say body you mean spirit or soul right??
@Mark-yu7xc
Жыл бұрын
What we believe does not matter. What does matter is what God decides.
@LJ2tone
Жыл бұрын
How can people blame God for sending people to hell? He tells us what will happen in this place, how to avoid this place and tells us satans objective to take us to this place. God even sent his son to die so we wouldn’t go there. Wether you go to Heaven or hell the choice is on YOU.
@Jesussaves.7777
Жыл бұрын
We must be careful not believe in heresy false teaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ is simple a child can understand it we only need to believe in Jesus Christ alone for Salvation not in works or " being good or obedience" just SOLELY in Jesus Christ and who He is and what He did not look to ourselves/ the sinner but look up to The Savior Jesus Christ. We don't have to work for Salvation it is a free Gift from GOD . There's no such thing as fruit checking ourselves to see if we did enough "good works" fruit to be saved or evidence of being saved. Or working for salvation it just simply believing in Jesus Christ we are saved. Period if someone preaches working for Salvation it is damning people to hell who has never believed on Jesus Christ Solely for their Salvation. Do you believe that you are a sinner and that you can not save yourself from hell ? Do you believe that it is Nothing you or anyone or anything can do to save you. Only Jesus Christ can Save us from hell. Jesus Christ says that He is The Way The Truth and The Life No one can go to The Father in Heaven except through Him Jesus Christ Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and do you believe in your heart that Jesus was crucified, buried and that Jesus Christ was raised up from the dead on The Third Day? If you believe all this alone then you are saved. Do not fear remember what Jesus Christ said " it is Finished" .
@DJ5780
Жыл бұрын
Well.. He created hell in the first place He very indirectly informs us about hell through an ancient culturally specific book that he leaves up to flawed humans to interpret and communicate to each other. Look at how many denominations we have. In Matthew Jesus tells the workers of iniquity to depart from him, not allowing them to enter the kingdom of heaven. In revelation God casts all evil doers into the lake of fire. Directly or indirectly it doesn't matter, God sends people to hell. And it's not really a choice but more of an ultimatum.
@Jesussaves.7777
Жыл бұрын
@@DJ5780 in matthew Jesus Christ is speaking about those who didn't believe in Him like the pharisees believed in their own works and merits . Those who believe in Jesus Christ for Salvation are saved already and is sealed with The Holy Spirit until the Day of Redemption. We cannot lose our Salvation ever Once saved always saved . Salvation is a Free GIFT from GOD. Salvation and Discipleship are totally different things. Salvation is Free but Discipleship is costly. Salvation is a one time event that happens at the very moment you believe in Jesus Christ for Salvation. But discipleship service to GOD comes after belief in Jesus. Remember discipleship/ sanctification is a process. We grow each and every day in Christ Paul warns us about Spiritual growth too being on meat and gradually getting off milk being mature Christians. Iron sharpens iron.
@Jesussaves.7777
Жыл бұрын
@@DJ5780 if you placed your Faith SOLELY in Jesus Christ for Salvation and you believe in Jesus Christ's death burial and Resurrection then you're Saved and sealed with The Holy Spirit until the Day of Redemption.
@lh1673
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s fair Pure Evil should be punished like in hell, BUT not just cuz you won’t accept this God. Hell is not a right place for just not believing😅
@billymccall5969
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for sharing! My view on Hell is #3. And I’ll go into detail about why I think this is not only the most factual and biblical view, but also the most in line with God’s love, mercy, and justice. The Bible does NOT paint us as having immortal souls from the start. This is an idea borrowed from Greek (pagan) philosophy. The ancient Jews did not believe in an immortal soul. In Genesis 2:17, God warns that if they eat from the Tree of Knowledge they will “surely die.” In Genesis 3:22-23, after the fall of Sin, God exiles them from the Garden so that they will NOT be able to eat from the Tree of Life and be immortal. Before this, they were allowed to eat of it - the only Tree off limits was the Tree of Knowledge. Then later on Genesis 6:3 God mentions that His spirit will not dwell with mankind forever for they are MORTAL. Throughout the Bible, there is a consistent theme of God blessing the righteous and faithful with long prosperous life, and punishing the sinful with death. God flooded the world to destroy sin, killing them all but Noah and his family. He rained fire down upon the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, and destroyed them forever. Deuteronomy 30:15-20 God gives them a choice, to obey God and be blessed with life, or turn from God and be destroyed. He implored them to choose life. In Ezekiel 18:20, it says the soul that sins shall die. In Romans 6:23, It says the wages of sin is death. In Revelation 20:14 and 21:8, the Lake of Fire is called the Second Death. So it seems quite clear to me that the punishment for sin throughout the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation is death/destruction. Further passages that adhere to this idea: John 3:16 says those in Christ shall not PERISH, but have everlasting life. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 says eternal DESTRUCTION. Matthew 10:28 says both body and soul are destroyed in the fire. I see no reason to believe the Bible is giving a double meaning to death and destruction here. I think it means what it says. But what about the passages that say eternal punishment? Well being that the punishment is death, eternal punishment means eternal death. A death from which they will NEVER return. But clearly Jesus describes a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, of torment. Yes I agree, and indeed at the Great White Throne Judgment when people are thrown into the Lake of Fire, they will be tormented. And it will be just like Sodom on that day it was destroyed with fire. They will be in pain and suffering - until the fire consumes them and they are nothing but ash. It does not last forever and ever. To feel pain and suffering forever and ever, you must inherit ETERNAL LIFE. But the Bible says only those in Christ inherit eternal life. The scripture about the undying worms and unquenchable fire? Mark 9:48 refers to Isaiah 66:24. Even there in the Old Testament, it refers to the enemies of God being “dead bodies”. The worms and fire representing the two common methods of disposing of dead bodies - burial and cremation. It’s a metaphor for the inevitable death people who go against God will suffer. Nothing will stop the body from decaying. Or burning to ash. And what about the Revelation 20:10 where the devil and the beast and the false prophet are tormented day and night forever and ever? Well… none of us humans are them. We are not immortal angelic beings like Satan. We are mortal humans. For a timeless entity who cannot die, perhaps the pain and torment IS eternal. Now it makes a whole lot more sense why God removed us from Eden so we could not eat of the Tree of Life right? It was an act of MERCY. God did not want us to live forever in our sinful state. He did not want for us to suffer eternal life in torment. The Fire itself is eternal. That’s why it says eternal fire. It comes from God who is eternal, and it was originally prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41), eternal beings. The smoke of their torment does rise forever because the fire is eternal. And they have no rest day or night… because they live in torment until they die forever having never been relieved of it. The view of eternal torment is problematic in my eyes. I don’t think it’s biblical because it claims humans have eternal life (immortality) by default when the Bible says otherwise. It expects us to interpret the words “death” and “destruction”. As eternal Life and torment when there’s no basis for this. It paints God as a monster who wants to torture people forever. Who sustains sin indefinitely rather than destroys it completely. This is inconsistent with His actions in the Bible. God does not torment people forever and ever, He wiped them out with a flood. With Fire. With plagues. Etc. The Bible says God is just, but 80 years of sin being punished by 80 trillion years of torture and that only being the tip of the iceberg? That’s cruelty and evil and the Bible says God is not evil. Lastly it just doesn’t make sense. If we all have eternal life already then what did Jesus die for? Jesus was tormented on the cross and took the sin of the world and then He died. But 3 days later He rose again and lives today in victory. Jesus saves us from Death by giving us Eternal Life. In the eternal torment view he didn’t save us from Death by giving us Eternal Life. He saved us from pain, by giving us pleasure. And that is just… not biblical in my opinion.
@dagacola8246
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info and explanation.
@markhenderson9069
Жыл бұрын
Yes! Awesome bro! Finally one who also agrees with me on this topic. Cannot see why more people don't see it this way, and just accept the traditional view as if everything is ok with it. I also wrote a long essay in support of the C.I. view here in the comments. Check it out. Blessings to you!
@M_Soaring
Жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, and yes brother...I appreciate the explanation you gave, very biblical as well. I also lean strongly toward #3 view and like you, I see the many problems with tradition views. I loved the part about the garden and mortality and death etc. which you gave, I will be reading that again as it was so well thought out. Thank you for taking the time to share that, I find it very valuable. To think of an eternal conscious state of torment/torture for 80 some years of sin and rebellion just doesn't square up in any scenario. I'm not making light of sin, which Jesus suffered horribly for in order to bring peace with God, and also as you mentioned to GIVE US ETERNAL LIFE AS A GIFT! If people don't want his gift/His Son, then as John 3:16 states, will PERISH. I also personally like Matt.10:28, it's really the clincher for me. Well enough with my rambling...We're not saying we've got it all figured out, but we are saying WE HAVE A GOOD GOOD FATHER, AND SO GLAD TO BE IN HIS FAMILY, BLESS YA GOOD BRO...peace out, Matt😊😊😊
@redletters4026
9 ай бұрын
Thank u 4 the effort,your opinion feels like part of the Gospel,your view gives me peace but eternal punishment does not make me happy. Eternal life is only in Jesus, No Jesus no eternity.
@aleksandrakustura6432
8 ай бұрын
Love this
@thetruedaoster8863
Жыл бұрын
This video I needed to watch and listen to to be reminded of the urgency to tell others about the love of Jesus revealed in the gospel. Thanks, brother Allen! God bless you always.
@billybonhardo2220
Жыл бұрын
Your acceptance of deceit is off the charts
@karenchubay2150
Жыл бұрын
Yes you either love me or I will torture you for ever and ever with no goal in sight…..
@GODSMISTAKE-j9k
Жыл бұрын
What love?
@maxamahnken7325
Жыл бұрын
It is not love to torture people for forever and ever. To this is Sadistic.
@maxamahnken7325
Жыл бұрын
That is Sadistic.
@PraiseTheMostHigh4HeisKing
10 ай бұрын
Watch the movie “Constantine” and you’ll see an accurate depiction of utter darkness & ravaging fire coexisting in Hell.
@MegaOorwullie
Жыл бұрын
The truth is, how could this possibly be a good system… God is all powerful, and can do anything including creating an entire universe, and everything that we can see 0:04 and not see, including other planets… so there’s nothing that he can’t do what possible good can come from sending people to a place like hell and of course, the argument is well he sent Jesus so we don’t have to go, but Jesus is saving us from God, the father‘s wrath who created a place like hell and again, you’re right why would you be punished forever and what good does physical pain and torture do?.. what’s the purpose? It’s like spanking your kids for doing something wrong creating physical pain instead of consequences and learning from their actions. What possible good can come from letting people go to hell… If God can do anything, why can’t he create a different system like for example the people that hate God and truly love evil, and Satan deserve to go to hell or have committed horrific acts… and then of course, people that love God and Jesus go to heaven, but wouldn’t it be better if the people that may be didn’t except it or it just doesn’t resonate for them for some reason because of their upbringing, or where they live in the world could go to a place like purgatory not to be punished, but to learn… and whatever time on Earth Day spent sinning they would experience the hurts that they caused others basically getting a taste of their own medicine, and also making amends for what they’ve done… Just having your sins forgiven, you don’t learn anything from that, not that that’s a bad idea, but you come away without having learned what you did to other people and how hurtful you may have been, so isn’t it make more sense to learn, what you’ve done and get a taste of your own medicine and make amends… And even if you didn’t accept Jesus in your life, when you stand before the father, instead of him saying, too late for you, he gives you another chance and send you to a place like that… And thirdly, he could send you to one another place or planet where you just are with other people that are not in heaven, and live out eternity like that… But the thought of punishing people in a place that’s worse than any prison on the planet is cruel and you can say whatever you want, but it’s cruel… I mean imagine young children and teenagers who actually know what they’re doing wrong by sinning sent to a place like that and God, knowing that millions of his creation are going to end up there and probably already have since the beginning of time. How is that love… God can do anything he could send them to another place or another planet, where they just don’t get into heaven, or they are in a place like purgatory… And I hate when preachers say, we all deserve hell… I don’t think anything I’ve done or most people on the planet deserves to go to a place that’s worse than the most horrifying prison on the planet for all eternity… I mean come on seriously… I agree send needs to be punished and I believe that it’s a beautiful thing that Jesus paid the way for our sins, but sending people to hell is cruel and makes absolutely no sense at all
@jaflenbond7854
Жыл бұрын
GOD'S FAVOR and REWARD of ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH Jesus Christ KNOWS that the loving, kind, and merciful God's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without liars, traitors, immoral, perverts, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and 21: 8 is definitely NOT for Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, and all Religions who are filling the world with their - 1. claims that God doesn't exist and the Bible is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales 2. Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" but ONLY for all lowly, ordinary, kind, and submissive persons on earth who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26. God KNOWS that all Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, and all Religions in the world who rejected his Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings as worthless and useless will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their natural deaths but all his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers and followers of his Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ, as a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King, resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@whoputyouontheplanet3345
Ай бұрын
This👆
@ThePugPrince
Ай бұрын
People have a choice. Hell is the full separation from God. When people reject Christ they make their choice. You have the opportunity every breath you take in this life to follow God’s commands or not. God is morally just beyond comprehension. Just because you think it sounds unfair doesn’t mean jt’s unfair. It’s as fair as possible because God willed it. God has given us the guide lines for redemption, Sin makes us fall short of the glory of God and instantly sends us to hell due to the unholy acts that are sin. God loves you whether you love him or not. You need to want a relationship with him, God does will not force you to love him. You reject Christ then you reject God’s love and grace and that tells him you don’t want anything to do with him.
@whoputyouontheplanet3345
Ай бұрын
@@ThePugPrince Tyranny isn't fair. His laws are ridiculous, and the fact that he created all the people he knew would end up there makes him disgusting.
@Hastyhashandothers
Ай бұрын
@@whoputyouontheplanet3345what about his laws are ridiculous? Humanity already has been given a common sense of right and wrong his laws elaborate on it. Sure many may stand before God and Jesus and not make it into Heaven but it doesn’t have to be that way. Let’s spread the gospel, the word of God and save some lives. Jesus loves you. I promise
@majorcoolness
Жыл бұрын
I hold to the traditional view. In the same way we can’t imagine the glories of heaven, we can’t imagine the terrors of hell. We use the term “saved” often in a very common way, without really realizing/grasping how much we’ve been saved from sometimes. Praise God for salvation.
@Jay_0605
Жыл бұрын
Same, I'm also a firm believer in the "traditional" view
@augustusgarton58
Жыл бұрын
I am a firm believer in not teaching little the lie that "Adam, Eve ate an apple" that is a lie. Lying to little children I wonder how the Lord, Jesus Christ will judge that?
@augustusgarton58
Жыл бұрын
Let's "play church" and teach little young souls that Adam and Eve ate an apple. G-d will not be angry. Don't worry about it!
@michaelbrutsche75
Жыл бұрын
If the traditional view were correct, we would have been saved from a monster by a monster!
@ishasinghal9075
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelbrutsche75God is not a monster, please repent and seek God on this matter...
@brendencarlson5220
7 ай бұрын
A: You gave short shrift to Universalism. There have been many treatises on Univeralism since Origen. It dates back 1800 years. I’m not saying I agree with it, but your didn’t give it its proper representation. This is called a “straw man” fallacy. B: How anyone can prayerfully and sincerely read and reason on Scripture with the plethora of writings on this subject, and default to the “traditional” view…well, I guess it’s like what the poem said, “Some read with Calvin’s specs upon their head.”
@PamelaMartin-ht9kp
3 ай бұрын
So does the Bible mention anything about universalism? If so that would be great! I’ve always heard that hell is eternal. I just can’t imagine a loving God burning people forever! All have sinned, some worse than others but I really don’t think anyone deserves that kind of torture forever 😢😢
@caseygottschalk591
11 ай бұрын
All I know is that God is Love! I as a human love my children so much! There is nothing they could ever do to make me want to be apart from them forever and let them suffer. He may send us to Hell, but even if we cry out from the depths of Hell, I have to believe that a loving God would reach out his hand. Otherwise, his perfection doesn’t feel like perfection to me.
@sadiecampbell4213
Жыл бұрын
I believe what the Word of God says. There's a literal hell. Anyone who rejects Jesus as the Son of God has made their choice. God has given us a choice and has provided many opportunities for us to come to the knowledge of His one and only Son Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. God's grace and mercy are available to all. Thank you, brother Allen, for teaching with clarity and truth.
@Selahbrooke3
Жыл бұрын
Even souls that believe that they have chosen Jesus will not make it. The Bible says to make every effort to enter the narrow gate for many will try to enter but will not be able to.
@annabellewollis4432
Жыл бұрын
@@Selahbrooke3 you know there’s a false doctrine of people who thinks they are saved just because they believe in what Jesus did for us BUT they said we don’t have to repent to get to heaven because Jesus already paid for all of our sins on the cross… what a LIE! we DO have to repent and live in the Spirit and NOT do what our flesh wants… Once we come to Christ our lives changes and we have to be born again and start living for the LORD and leave stuff that are worldly… I feel bad for those people because they are on their way to hell… even if they believe in Jesus 😢
@Metarig
Жыл бұрын
Do you know that a vast majority, roughly 90% of people worldwide, haven't had a chance to encounter the Gospel? Does it strike you as logical that God would condemn them to hell just because they're not Christians?
@SoldierofJesus_John316
Жыл бұрын
@@Metarigif they haven't have a chance to encounter the gospel, God will definitely send someone there to preach the Gospel. He is just!
@Metarig
Жыл бұрын
@@SoldierofJesus_John316 I know that God is just, but the common belief in a God whose love is very conditional based on belief in His son doesn't seem fair to me. I was born into a Muslim family and converted to Christianity, so I'm well aware of the situation in Islamic culture. Christianity is distorted in those countries, and technically, the majority of them have no chance to know the real Jesus. Also, they are constantly being misled about their own religion, and Islamic priests portray their religion as beautiful in their eyes. My question is, why does God require you to believe in His son to save you? Does that sound fair to you? It only makes sense to me if He doesn't judge you solely based on your belief but also on your actions, and He will save you if you sincerely call upon Him either in this life or the afterlife. Additionally, the concept of perpetual hell doesn't make sense by any means. It's simple: if we believe God is good, it means that whatever He does is out of love and His goodness, and it should benefit us. How does endless punishment benefit the person being punished?
@andrewcrossman2165
Жыл бұрын
It's like this- hell was never meant for us, if you don't want God, and you reject him, all you do is receive the absence of him. Which is that place- you get what you asked for all good things come from God
@jordanmadden7388
9 ай бұрын
I’ve never understood the “utter darkness” argument. Have we never seen a campfire? It’s fairly easy to comprehend fire and darkness existing simultaneously.
@petegallegos827
Жыл бұрын
As a small boy I was taught about hell because my parents taught me as they were taught. I know they meant well and did what they thought was right.Our family was very different as love was rarely spoken of, but loyalty to the family and being well thought of by others.We were a family of rebellious boys( me being the youngest) so the threat of hell was always spoken of(preached, usually by mom) Dad was uninterested by the time I was a teen and often drunk. We were very disfunctional to say the least. My thoughts of hell were why bother since most everyone had to spend time in the fire (purgatory). Now as a mature man of almost 73 years, I lean towards your 3rd point. I believe OUR FATHER did not create hell for the vast majority of HIS creation to be tortured forever there, but to be destroyed if HIS creation fell short. After all, Christ died to ransom and give eternal life to those who would follow and obey HIM, not eternal torture to those who wouldn't. Remember, OUR FATHER is love, if you keep HIS commandments.(especially the Sabbath, the one that most Christians ignore) "Shall not the JUDGE of all the earth do right?"
@unveilingscripturaltruths9291
Жыл бұрын
The truth is there are 2 gospels, 1 to israel and 1 to the nations through paul. The etymology of Paul's name comes from the greek word "pauo" (strong's greek 3973) which means "pause" God paused his work he was doing with Israel from acts to hebrews to work through Paul to bring the gospel to the nations. Paul's gospel tells us that Christ saved all humanity (not just believers) through His sacrifice on the cross yet each in his own class (1 Corinthians 15 23-24 CLNT) starting with Christ the firstfruit, those Christ's in his presence; thereafter the consummation (completion of God becoming all in all). As in adam all are dying, as in Christ all will be made alive. There is judgment, only death is unconsciousness and only age long or an eon. We who believe are given justification through faith and recieve "eonion life." The greek word aionion (the plural form of aion "age" or "eon" so correct translation would be "eons") was mistranslated in almost all of our English versions to eternal, everlasting, world, and forever and ever (if it's already forever why would they have to add the and ever? Correct translation is "eons of the eons" when the body of Christ get there glory and Israel get there promise on earth) 1 Corinthians 15:21-28 Concordant Literal New Testament 21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. 22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. 23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; 24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. 27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. 28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)
@petegallegos827
Жыл бұрын
@@unveilingscripturaltruths9291 Tough cookies to the average Joe who doesn't understand Greek or been though seminary. Nothing wrong with education but I believe that GOD made it simple for the rest of us. This 2 gospel idea would be a disaster to the African or Mexican or Hillbilly from West Virginia who just wants to be right with GOD. My simple solution is; keep the 10 commandments, obey your conscience, and most importantly to spend quiet time everyday to hear from THE FATHER. Jesus said Keep MY commandments and you will live. Now, if you want to be perfect(whole), then deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow ME
@RickyBob-lf2uu
10 ай бұрын
The gospel says all we do to be saved is believe God n that was Christ died on the cross in place of us was buried n rose again on the third day, THATS IT. we aren't saved by our works we are saved by grace through faith
@petegallegos827
10 ай бұрын
@@RickyBob-lf2uu I suppose you think the devil is saved too, because he believes in Jesus and trembles at the thought of HIM. Remember, faith without works is dead.
@RickyBob-lf2uu
10 ай бұрын
@@petegallegos827 Salvation doesn't apply to angels or demons... Jesus came to save humanity n yeah the devil knows exactly who Christ is
@sleric3
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Allan for the video. It is important to remain within God's plan/will. God is not responsible for others' plans. By the way, Christians should not ignore our covenant with God which is stipulated in the Lord's prayer. This should be our daily prayer and be committed to it.
@jessejive117
Жыл бұрын
That doesn’t have anything to do with the topic. God chooses the punishment and if he chooses to submerge people, essentially and hot, molten lava for all of eternity he’s evil. That’s my problem with Christians. You guys will essentially say if God does it then it’s good and fair. No. Because now you guys defend God, doing evil things, when he doesn’t, you just believe he does, and therefore you consider them not evil. I’m also a Christian and no offense but I think it’s really stupid when people try and justify evil deeds they believe God does, and just says they aren’t evil essentially because it’s God. I think there’s pretty much no way to interpret. Humans are tormented in hell. What’s funny is if you realize the Bible said your souls destroyed in hell if you weren’t saved, we’d all recognize how evil it would be for God to even allow people to be tormented day and night, forever and ever… just like the Bible doesn’t say we should molest children, and we would say that would be evil for God to command that. But if you found versus or 90% of Christians thought, the Bible said we should molest children you guys would be defending that. And that’s a problem. Because that actually gives atheist a reason for not believing in God, and not following Christians because we are just indoctrinated if that’s how we discussed things. Everyone saying well I don’t know all I know is I don’t wanna go to hell and God is good. But we should know because the Bibles overwhelmingly clear on this. There are just things that are settled in the Bible and I can’t fathom or people get your tormented forever. Other than the fact hell is eternal in the fires are eternal, and everyone assumes your soul is immortal, even though the Bible is very very very clear it’s not. This is one of the most clear issues.
@TriciaPerry-ef7bi
Жыл бұрын
How to get back I got tricked back to destruction when I was born again and I was well made. I didn't even think and got tricked I want back I thought I wanted this foolish world. This was bad. Very. I mean I don't live. This was bad to come back here
@idlenook
Жыл бұрын
I have always believed in #1 view of hell but it causes me much sadness and pain. So I like to think that #3 is possible and the unsaved will not suffer forever but will be annihilated. I sleep better at night thinking this but question if it is Biblical.
@bevmayers6763
Жыл бұрын
I’ve heard it said God tells us to forgive our enemies, but he’s going to torment his forever?
@idlenook
Жыл бұрын
@@bevmayers6763 Mmmm! Interesting thought.
@M_Soaring
Жыл бұрын
Please see Matt. 10:28...this is the clincher for me that God is well able to destroy anyone ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WORD if He so chooses...and since we know He is good we also know He will do the right thing...I also hold strongly to view #3. Please see Gen.18:25 SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT? Yes He will, and I pray your sleep will be sweet❤❤
@theeternalsbeliever1779
Жыл бұрын
The Bible teaches that the condemned will be utterly destroyed. Like most other traditions, the Catholic and Protestant view of the afterlife was appropriated from heathen religions. These 2 religions then use certain "proof texts" to support this view, even though Revelation consistently refers to "the second death". A person can't experience that death and still be alive to experience eternal torment.
@Berean_with_a_BTh
Жыл бұрын
@@bevmayers6763And where does God tell us to forgive our enemies or say that He will forgive those who exit this life as His enemies?
@danh7447
5 ай бұрын
Goodness requires being just ! The body isnt immortal but the soul is ! There is no moral argument without God !
@truth1283
Жыл бұрын
Appreciate you and your obedience to christ... I love the soundness of your teachings. So clear and sound...
@silasr20
Жыл бұрын
The wicked willl burn for a time including Satan and his angels and they will be ashes under the soles of our feet. Jesus said this For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
@richardredding9412
Жыл бұрын
Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that He is Lord, I believe there will be another opportunity for all to receive Him as Lord. Hell was not built for his creation that he has given the opportunity to choose
@michaelwhitman9937
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he never said why universal reconciliation was heresy. There is good scriptural evidence that it could be true.
@richardredding9412
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelwhitman9937 I don’t really know the truth, none of us do. I believe in Jesus Christ as my eternal security, but at the same time, there are people in cultures that have never met a Christian, that have been raised their whole life with the beliefs and culture they grew up in, when someone can explain that to me (their eternal security), I have questions
@opalbeauty1578
Жыл бұрын
It's heresy because for what reason then did Jesus die? Jesus died to save sinners from hell. Unforgiven sin sends people to hell. It's heresy because to say that everyone eventually goes to heaven, however they get there and however long it takes, basically calls God a liar. His own Word, which He wrote, would be false which would mean the Bible is meaningless and Jesus did not beat the grave. Conquering the grave means Jesus took the death sentence off humanity. Our death sentence is hell. @@michaelwhitman9937
@Yahshuaismyeverything
Жыл бұрын
If you reject Yahshua you will end up in hell bcus Yahshua is the ONLY WAY into heaven don't teach lies to people we all must accept Yahwehs son to get into heaven and hell is forever don't lead people down the wrong path dude
@angellifts6044
Жыл бұрын
@@richardredding9412Jesus said everyone would have heard the gospel by the time he arrives, and now that we have social media where you can see what people around the world are talking about i’m pretty sure everyone or damn near everyone has heard the gospel and just choosing to reject it
@Spriceriley
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s a place we don’t want to go pretty much sums it up. So regardless of what will actually take place metaphorically or literal sense, I don’t want to be apart of wrath and endure in a place where he is not present.
@Deepthoughtnow
Жыл бұрын
I wrote a piece about this in my last book entitled” if I see you in heaven, I know I’m in hell. The question was. Is eternal punishment, a just sentence for a lifetime of sin.
@nichebundles7246
Жыл бұрын
I tend to think of hell as kind of a combination of the first and the second that you mentioned. I believe it to be a real place, but I think that it was described (mostly by Jesus) using metaphor because he was speaking to physical people about a place in the spirit. He speaks in language we can understand. Could I be wrong? OF COURSE, I could be. I expect that when we get to heaven most all of us will not just find out that we were off; we're going to find out just how far off we were. But I don't believe that God designed hell to be a place of torment. I believe that eternity without God necessitates torment. I remember seeing an episode of the Twilight Zone several years ago where this thug dies and in the second life he's got a penthouse apartment, and a casino he gambles at where he can never lose, etc. He started out thinking that they had made some kind of mistake and that he'd been sent to heaven, but eventually the emptiness of it all caught up with him and he realized that he was in hell. I'm not saying that hell will start out seeming like heaven to those who go there, but that, even if it did, eventually the absence of God's presence will make it insufferable. As for the "eternity" issue - I think there's a lot of confusion because people don't understand the difference between eternity and forever. Forever is the ongoing passage of time without end. Eternity exists outside of time. When Jesus described eternal life, he didn't describe a quantity of life, but a quality of life (John 17:3). Just my two cents.
@alyssabeale1095
11 ай бұрын
I agree with you. I think it will be both physical and mental torment. They will feel it for entirety in their flesh but also mentally. I believe they will be crying out and wishing they had listened to those that tried to warn them and maybe even wanting to co w apologize to us and God for not listening, mocking and making fun, treating us poorly. I also feel like the people in hell already are REALLY wishing they could come back to life on earth and warn all the non believers or fake Christians
@Yahshuaismyeverything
10 ай бұрын
Only the first
@ItalianAngel21175
Жыл бұрын
Jesus makes it very clear that Hell is very very very real! In fact Jesus spends much time in his life trying to make people understand just how Real Hell is. 🙏🙏💖🙏🙏🌹
@cashed-out2192
2 ай бұрын
hell is the second death in book of Revelation
@janrabie1890
Жыл бұрын
Where I struggle with view #1 is, let's say a wicked man lived for 80 years and never repented of his sin. He then goes to hell not for 80, 160 or even 800 or 8000 years but for ever and ever and ever. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Would a just God meet out such an unfair punishment?
@navagatingthroughthebeasts2908
Жыл бұрын
I to struggle with this.... It be what it'll be no matter what you & I think think yes
@jimjuri6490
Жыл бұрын
To go anywhere, a person should be alive. The dead cease to exist. (Ecclesiastes 9:10) Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going. Correct! God will never punish anyone eternally; especially with some torture. Whether a person has committed crimes by the dozen or not, his death wipes all sins away. Romans 6:7,23.
@Yahshuaismyeverything
10 ай бұрын
God is not unfair he created us and it doesn't matter the time it matters on what we done on earth and I'd we die in our sins we will be separated from God forever sin can not be in heaven
@pussum01
6 ай бұрын
People often spend decades in prison for crimes that took mere minutes to commit. The reason hell is eternal is because 1. God created us in his image, so like him, we too are eternal beings and 2. when people reject Jesus’s offer of salvation they are making the choice to pay for their own sins, which of course as sinners they cannot because only Jesus was able to pay the price for our sins as he was sinless, so hell ends up being eternal.
@Donald-zh4qt
5 ай бұрын
Hell is no eternal but has eternal consequenses for sodom and gomera were burned by hell fire but they are not still burning hell fire burns something completly there is noreversal so if one is burned they wil be destroyed to never exist no ashes no smoke will remain it destroys Spirits wich are Demons wichw ill destroy them
@cindychaney8515
5 ай бұрын
You have to remember how big and diverse america is. When living near DC we had carpet in the bedrooms. Living in Florida I have wood floors and tile everywhere with area rugs layered in the living room and bedrooms
@Forgiven156
4 ай бұрын
I don’t want to be separated from God almighty and Jesus Christ forever! Want to be with them forever
@xenadensmore6525
Жыл бұрын
I've been a Christian for years and have decided I'm sticking with Jesus. Still, I'm very confused by other Christians who are comfortable with the thought of hell. I work around families and children every day and am always concerned about them knowing many of them live in unbelief. God says to love your enemies. It seems that the idea of Him allowing things like endless torture to exist are beyond my understanding. Sometimes I find myself fighting a sense of hopelessness. We can only hope to be expected through Jesus as there is a writing in the word about some people pleading with Him and still being rejected and accused of not knowing Him. Still, it says if we call on His name, we will be saved. Every day I hope He excepts my family and I cry bitterly about the souls who are suffering agony in hell being abused forever. I love God for all the wonderful things He has made yet still I'm heartbroken by Him creating Hell. Like marrying the love of my life and then finding out he's Dexter😢 please tell me how to have peace about this horrible truth. How can God be happy while so many of His children are lost to be beaten and mutilated endlessly in terror? I'm soooo fighting the spirit of confusion over this and I won't stop until I get an actual answer that resonates with how great the love of God is.
@melbree1063
Жыл бұрын
A just God cannot allow sin that wounds his children to go unpunished. Nor can He allow it into His eternal kingdom. We wouldn’t think it right, in fact, if He didn’t have some way of dealing with rapists and murderers, thieves and manipulators. Hell is a natural response to evil, which is much more evil than I think our hearts and minds can really imagine. Evil deserves a punishment, because it so wholly spits on the face of the good and loving God we have, and all that He intended for us and for Him. But- instead of allowing us to go to hell, which is what we all deserve, He stepped into flesh to die in our place. We were already headed to hell, because justice requires it- but He paid our debt. If we do not agree to accept this, then truly- we have said to God that we want to be judged based on our own merit/that we do not want to cloth ourselves with Christ and accept His offer. And so- the righteous judge- our King accepts this. And judges us as we ask. Really- it assures me all the more that He hears my cries and the pain and injustice we face in this life. It is no small matter to Him, for He loves us deeply.
@Metarig
Жыл бұрын
In the end times, some people who insult Jesus and aren't saved are often those who called themselves Christians but didn't truly believe in God. This includes even some clergy like priests and pastors who did terrible things and acted hypocritically. When they face Jesus on judgment day, they try to trick Him by saying they served Him, but it's clear they only believed in Him when it was too late. So, Jesus doesn't save them. The idea of never-ending punishment is debated, and some folks believe in Christian universalism, which says everyone will eventually be okay with God. I hope this helps you understand the Gospel better.
@rodeobabe101
Жыл бұрын
Read a book called 'Hope beyond hell' it will clarify alot for you.
@M_Soaring
Жыл бұрын
I'd like to continue off your last point of resonating with how great the love of God is...our puny little minds (compared to His mind) can't even come close to these "eternal matters". Please see Deut. 29:29...the secret things such as eternity and hell, etc...belong to Him alone, NOT TO US! Hell and eternity are way beyond our pay grade just accept that and just trust that our loving God will always do what's best for every person in every situation at all times...I think hell may be in the bible to show how great sin and evil really are, but to know the intricacies of it are way beyond us! Please don't let the wheels of your mind drive you crazy like the Eagles song goes, but take it easy dear soul. Matt.11:25 says that our Father hides things from the wise and prudent who think they know the answers to these deep things, WHEN NONE OF US CAN KNOW THEM- our minds are to small...the verse goes on to say but He reveals them to babes, and what do babes do best but to trust and rest in their father's/mother's arms. Please try not to overthink these weighty matters which only GOD can handle! Please meditate on Ps. 131 as well and put everything in His hands...I also pray God will deliver your mind from any strongholds and bring you into the freedom He longs for you to have whereby we cry "Abba Father" Gal. 4:6,7....Bless you richly in His great love❤❤❤
@Metarig
Жыл бұрын
@@M_Soaring Could you think about the idea that eternal hell might be a misunderstanding, like many other misunderstandings the church has corrected over the centuries. Should we stick to the tradition of portraying God as vengeful and condemning most humans to eternal damnation?
@jmsimcic
Жыл бұрын
I hold to annihilationism. I believe that eternal punishment in Hell would be eternal life- just a horrible, torturous life- which I think is inconsistent with all the promises of eternal life only for believers. I also think the verses you mentioned do point to complete destruction of body and soul for those in Hell. I agree that the punishment is final and eternal- but the torture is not. Always open to hear arguments against this view, but I’ve moved towards it over the years & think it has biblical support.
@inversionesincia5754
Жыл бұрын
Completely agree with you, the consequences of the punishment will be eternal, however not the torture.
@stephenkeen6044
Жыл бұрын
I have also come to this view from the first over time. The choice is between life and death, the lake of fire is the second death. The same language of eternal destruction is used to describe the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah.
@DJ5780
Жыл бұрын
Why would an omnipresent, omnipotent, loving God leave the responsibility of choosing eternity up to such weak, limited, and blind creatures like us? Why give us the responsibility to spread His Gospel through an ancient culturally specific text that is obviously unclear (denominations) and requires these weak limited beings interpret and spread it? Why destroy us if he can rehabilitate heal, and purify us? Those are some questions among scriptural support that leads me to embrace the Universalist view. I think every view has its problems, it just makes the most sense to me. (Edit: accidentally wrote "scrotal" support instead of "scriptural" lol)
@petervonbergen5364
Жыл бұрын
couldnt have said it better. I have the same development as you. It just makes more sense. And one thing I realized is a sadistic element in the reaction, wording and the way they rejoice over the idea of someone being tortured forever. That is the wet dream of every serial killer. I really really hope the traditional view is false. But gods will be done.
@stephenkeen6044
Жыл бұрын
@@DJ5780 _"Why would an omnipresent, omnipotent, loving God leave the responsibility of choosing eternity up to such weak, limited, and blind creatures like us? "_ That's a good question. Careful study of scripture shows that's what He does. Likewise, He chooses to partner with us for His work. We are the body of Christ, empowered to do good works which He prepared in advance for us to do... He involves us, and our wills, in His plans and activity, with the resulting rewards and punishments based on the alignment of our wills with His. The only consistent explanation for the problem of evil is the allowance of free will and consequence.
@maxamahnken7325
Жыл бұрын
Hell ----- the grave some ever burning, fiery place of torment. Hell ------ the grave ------ not some ever burning, fiery place of torment. In the above paragraph I forgetting to put in the "not".
@PolymorphicPenguin
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this breakdown of views on Hell. I hope we Christians are wrong about Hell existing, but there are so many verses in the New Testament about it that there doesn't seem to be much wiggle room.
@michaelbrutsche75
Жыл бұрын
What is the “lowest hell” of Deuteronomy 32:22 ?
@Deffine
10 ай бұрын
The final outcome either way is the second death. And that's exactly what it says, not eternal torment. Perish also means perish, not eternal torment.
@sublyme2157
Жыл бұрын
It amazes me that even after everything God did and all that He offers, people still want to know how bad hell is. Perhaps that's why the fire never goes out and the worms never die.
@077jess
Жыл бұрын
That's not a thing. No one wants to know how bad hell is lol. And no one in their right mind chooses to go there. It's manipulative wording by saying people choose to go to hell. No one does that lol.
@jeramysteele
Жыл бұрын
@077jess why would God force someone to be with Him eternally when they clearly rejected his gift? If they don't choose God and His kingdom, what do they choose? Maybe the place where God doesn't exist?
@077jess
Жыл бұрын
@jeramysteele so God won't force someone into eternal bliss because that wouldnt ve loving, but he will force them into eternal hellfire? Make it make sense. And why are these the only two extreme options?
@JC-li8kk
Жыл бұрын
@@077jessGod Himself is eternal life & “didn’t get a choice” whether or not to exist or to be Holy. So you could say He Himself is “forced” to exist eternally, is forced to be Love, is forced to be Light, is forced to be Merciful, forced to hate evil, forced to be separated from sin, forced to have no fellowship with darkness, forced to be in Heaven, forced to have a place for those whom He cannot preside with (hell) etc. I’m saying all this from a human perspective since your argument is merely a human one. If God CHOSE to be different than HE IS the entire creation would go into utter destruction & all things would fall apart. But it won’t because God CANNOT lie. He actually made all these choices before a single thing was created without any effort. Again, because He is God & it’s impossible to understand Him from a foolish human mindset. God is Spirit & can ONLY be spiritually understood by those who have spiritual eyes that see spiritually. Those who do not belong to Him are spiritually blind. He actually CHOSE to love us & have mercy on us & give us grace & make us righteous through JESUS before WE or the earth was even created so that we CAN be with Him forever. Nothing God says to us is a THREAT, but only a WARNING. Do you get mad at the weather man when he warns of a hurricane? Do you think the weather man is threatening you? God loves us & wants all of us to come to Him through Jesus so we can have eternal life & become the creation He WANTED us to be. Fully depending on HIM. It was always going to be that WE could choose whether to want to depend on God or depend on man. I suggest God is far more reliable than man...with man you get sickness, hatred, greed, envy, pride, worry, anxiety, murder, theft, resentment, manipulation, intimidation, fear, slavery, selfishness, curses, eternal death, punishment, hell. With God you get mercy, grace, love, forgiveness, peace, joy, kindness, goodness, self control, compassion, blessings, power, freedom, eternal life, purity, heaven, holiness, righteousness. Is the choice really that difficult? When you are blinded by the physical realm, yes it is. After you MAKE the choice, then you realize how foolish you were. God must open your eyes. But you must WANT Him to open your eyes. If you do, HE WILL.
@jeramysteele
Жыл бұрын
@077jess I'd basically repeat what I already stated. Why would God force someone to be where he is when they have rejected him? By rejecting Him they choose to be apart from Him. He has given people choice in the matter. Seems cruel for a God to force themselves on someone who clearly wants nothing to do with Him. Would kind of like be a stalker or perpetrator if that was the case.
@Micolashcage1
Жыл бұрын
I was told that when people go to hell (nonbelievers) , they experience a loss of consciousness, like a sleep. Whereas Believers have eternal life in Heaven. And that the only people who suffer torment forever are those who take the mark of the beast. I personally am not entirely sure what happens in Hell. I just am focused on being Saved and furthering God's kingdom; although I would still like to further my biblical knowledge and learn exactly what happens in Hell, as I know many Christians have different views and believe certain beliefs are false doctrines
@markanthony3275
Жыл бұрын
Confessing Jesus Christ as saviour is the only thing that keeps you out of hell. Btw, God doesn't send anyone to hell, nor does he want to, people send themselves to hell by the choice they made.
@Jesussaves.7777
Жыл бұрын
It is by confessing Jesus Christ as LORD and believing in your heart that Jesus Christ was raised up from the dead we are Saved . Believing The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Once saved always saved we can NOT ever lose our Salvation No works can save us from hell only believing in Jesus Christ can believe in Jesus alone.
@-Ice_Cold-
11 ай бұрын
You'll end up in a burning cauldron because you play video games.
@GraciaPerez-rt6ri
2 ай бұрын
There is only two places that we can choose, and I choose Heaven
@KhoaNgo-sr4zq
Жыл бұрын
Eternal punishment = eternal death . Correct me if im wrong .
@flyman2608
Жыл бұрын
Yup, many manny miss that. Your death in hell is eternal, eternal destruction. Total annihilation
@Jesussaves.7777
Жыл бұрын
We must be careful not believe in heresy false teaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ is simple a child can understand it we only need to believe in Jesus Christ alone for Salvation not in works or " being good or obedience" just SOLELY in Jesus Christ and who He is and what He did not look to ourselves/ the sinner but look up to The Savior Jesus Christ. We don't have to work for Salvation it is a free Gift from GOD . There's no such thing as fruit checking ourselves to see if we did enough "good works" fruit to be saved or evidence of being saved. Or working for salvation it just simply believing in Jesus Christ we are saved. Period if someone preaches working for Salvation it is damning people to hell who has never believed on Jesus Christ Solely for their Salvation. Do you believe that you are a sinner and that you can not save yourself from hell ? Do you believe that it is Nothing you or anyone or anything can do to save you. Only Jesus Christ can Save us from hell. Jesus Christ says that He is The Way The Truth and The Life No one can go to The Father in Heaven except through Him Jesus Christ Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and do you believe in your heart that Jesus was crucified, buried and that Jesus Christ was raised up from the dead on The Third Day? If you believe all this alone then you are saved. Do not fear remember what Jesus Christ said " it is Finished" .
@danieljakes5949
Жыл бұрын
You are right mate
@bluesclues3169
Жыл бұрын
You are absolutely correct my friend, infact Romans 6:23 proves you just right.
@davidward5225
Жыл бұрын
Death is eternal
@Delsha777
Жыл бұрын
It's seems like you are well read to have explained these various positions on hell. My recommendation is to study the word olam in hebrew and eon or aion or aionios in Greek. Yes eons is plural in many places in the New Testament. A plurality or multitude of eternities are used frequently as in Ephesians 2. The word is translated as eternal, everlasting, forever, worlds, age, ages, and some others. The point is that as used in scripture; this word never really means without end. There are many examples of this word coming to an end. The forever priesthood of Aaron and the sanctuary rituals have come to an end. The eternal fire that burned up Sodom and the 5 cities came to an end. Jonah was forever in the belly of the whale; yet it was only 3 days and nights. A better way to maybe translate the word olam or aion is a word like continually, always, a period of time, or age or ages. Thanks. Blessngs.
@johnjustice4420
Жыл бұрын
You are not further from the truth. First people need to understand that the bible was not written in English, and as such they would be translator error. The word Olam in Hebrew and Aion has the same meaning, Age to age, unknown duration, age during, an indefinite time. But when they translate it to English, they use the word Eternal, and that is where the mistake comes from. The word Eternal can mean never ending only when it applies to God, but when use with other things it means for a particular period of time. And truthfully those scriptures you reference were makes one understand that it doesn't mean what we English speakers think. Now right now, it Melchizedek priesthood, not Aaronic priesthood. With that being said...the word Hell mean different things....it's like using one word to mean different things. The Jewish man has no idea about hell because it's Sheol they knew, while the Greek Hades. And scripture says, Hell or Hades would be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death.....it means it has an end, also lake of fire which is the second death too has an end. Because scripture says the last enemy that would be defeated would be death..... and if lake of fire is the second death, that it means it has an end.
@ambinintsoahasina
Жыл бұрын
I held the traditional view for most of my life, but adopted the annihilationism view several years ago. While Allen explained the generality of it, I didn't like very much how it's like we just go by emotion and morality debate. For us, at least for me, it's not just that simple nor is it just putting my morality standards in here. What he quoted was only in New Testament, but we can see many forshadowing in the OT also. And whenever the fate of the wicked is mentioned, we talk about ashes, destruction and in the NT, eternal death, eternal destruction, "your name will not be remembered" and even "your house will be toilets". it's not just 3 or 4 verses, it's literally many years of studying the Scriptures and looking at the terminology.
@thunderpriest7418
11 ай бұрын
I agree. I also held the traditional view for most of my life. It took being questioned by a non-believing family member to really get me to examine WHY I believed what I did, so I could better respond to his objections to belief in God. He, like so many non-believers said that he couldn't believe in a God that punished everyone for all eternity, so that people like Ghandi, who did not believe in Christ but led relatively moral lives, would receive the same punishment as Adolph Hitler, etc. It also did not align with the thought of a merciful God, allowing the torture of His children for all time. So, I had to actually research what the Bible taught...not just what I had learned from church, parents and peers. I learned of the 2nd death, which is never really covered in any church I have attended. I had to understand that the word "eternal" is often meant to confer permanence, not duration. The Bible speaks of eternal punishment...not eternal punishing. Finding passages that are often glossed over, or misread, helped as well. As Allen mentioned, for example, where it states that God can destroy both body and soul in Hell. And the most famous verse in Christianity confirms this view: For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Everyone perishes. So, this verse refers to the death of the soul. The second death. This view isn't an emotional, or "feel good" view. It shows that God is merciful, but He is also Just. It erases perceived contradictions regarding verses that say that there will be no more suffering vs. the concept of eternal punishment, etc.
@ambinintsoahasina
11 ай бұрын
@@thunderpriest7418You put it right. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Actually we could go verse by verse and chapter by chapter through the whole bible that talks about hell and lack of fire and when given the proper context, we definitely can see how the annihilation theology makes total sense. I still believe in a certain and appropriate degree of punishment but if I have to sum it up, I go by Jesus's parable in Matthew 18:34: "And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers, until he should pay all his debt." So you get the punishment according to your deeds.
@Deffine
10 ай бұрын
@@thunderpriest7418 Yes, i agree, i don't even understand why people insist on the traditional view. Its not consistent with what the Bible says.
@kerwinbrown4180
9 ай бұрын
@@Deffine Prejudgment is a flaw of the bestial nature of humanity and it is hard for each of us to realize we are giving into that temptation much less fight it.
@gomez3357
5 ай бұрын
@@ambinintsoahasinaindeed the wages of sin is death
@palms45verse1
9 ай бұрын
Hell gives up the dead in it, and they are judged according to their works
@thewordspoken5145
Жыл бұрын
Great Job Brother Allen. I also am the First view. The thing is, i believe that many people should be concerned with the Lake of Fire. In Revelations: John says Hell will be tossed in the lake of Fire. Also another reason for the Traditional view, will be the real story Jesus told of The rich man and Lazarus. The rich man said he was suffering because of the heat. The first view just has too much evidence. Thanks Brother Allen for the Video.
@angelagordon9570
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe anyone would believe that God is going to let everyone come to heaven when he sent his own son to help. I don't think he's going to say oops just joking that anytime.
@nikokapanen82
Жыл бұрын
There were always scholars in Koine Greek who said that the Greek words "kolasin aiōnion" which are often translated as "everlasting punishment" in Matthew 25:46 could be translated as an "age-abiding correction" One Biblical scholar, William Barclay, explains it this way: "The word for punishment is kolasis. This word was originally a gardening word, and its original meaning was pruning trees. In Greek there are two words for punishment, timoria and kolasis, and there is a quite definite distinction between them. Aristotle defines the difference; kolasis is for the sake of the one who suffers it; timoria is for the sake of the one who inflicts it (Rhetoric 1.1 0). Plato says that no one punishes (kolazei) a wrong-doer simply because he has done wrong - that would be to take unreasonable vengeance (timoreitai). We punish (kolazei) a wrong-doer in order that he may not do wrong again (Protagoras 323 E). Clement of Alexandria (Stromateis 4.14; 7.16) defines kolasis as pure discipline, and timoria as the return of evil for evil. Aulus Gellius says that kolasis is given that a man may be corrected; timoria is given that dignity and authority may be vindicated (The Attic Nights 7.14). The difference is quite clear in Greek and it is always observed. Timoria is retributive punishment; kolasis is remedial discipline. Kolasis is always given to amend and to cure." (Barclay, The Apostles' Creed, page 189) So, why then so many translators translate these words "kolasin aiōnion" as everlasting (retributive) punishment? I believe it is because they fall into one major flaw in their thinking. They believe that Matthew 25:46 talks about the end of all and the beginning of literal eternity. So, they reason that since this is the beginning of eternity then this punishment must be eternal. In reality this is not yet the beginning of eternity, this is still the old order of things, this is still our age where corruption and sinful order of things still exist even though sinners are in the process of being corrected. The real end of this sinful and corrupted order and the beginning of eternity will happen after the corrective punishment is complete, after God's wrath has been fully satisfied and sin is no more. Only then, as God Himself mentions in Isaiah and Revelation, He will make all things new so that the old order will not come to mind anymore because there will be nothing reminding us about it, no death no suffering, no evil of any sort would be left anywhere at all.
@jjphank
Жыл бұрын
So when the Bible plainly says at least 14 times that hell is eternal…. then it’s not eternal? You mean a loving God who loves us more than anything, and we cannot measure his love Roman’s 8 etc, is gonna be ambiguous on everlasting punishment, being eternal or not?? Psych!! no, he’s not gonna be ambiguous! Several times in scripture, it says “God is from everlasting to everlasting“ so he is or isn’t or both?? Ha God invented time in the first verse of the Bible and time has a speed, so God is outside of time! Starting in genesis 2:17 death is a continuous state “ The day you eat of the fruit you will die” Adam and Eve ate, they did not die in a finality state. They started dying, both physically and spiritually. In fact, everything started dying that day Romans 5:17, first, Corinthians 15:22 PROVE GENESIS 2:17 WRONG IN TRANSLATION So the language proves that death is a continuous state going all the way back to the second chapter of the Bible, the foundational chapter. Prove it otherwise prove it wrong that particular verse show me that it’s not true and you’ll be right by the Bible right now you’re not right by the Bible the wrong until you do that! USE THE BIBLE, not what somebody says about the Bible
@nikokapanen82
Жыл бұрын
@@jjphank What do the Biblical words "every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord really means? Do they mean that God will force all the sinners and wicked spirits, physically, against their will, down on their knees and force them to say, against their will, the words "Jesus is Lord" and then let them go to continue to do their wicked things and blaspheme God as before? Of course not, because that would mean that they did not really get humbled down and bowed and confessed that Jesus is in fact their Lord now. What it really means is that after God will release His full-scale flaming wrath upon all the rebels, all that rebellion will be burned down to the core, it will evaporate completely out of existence and nothing but humility will be left, so they will fall before God and confess, sincerely, with their heart, mind, soul and strength that Jesus is their Lord and that He is the only One who is worthy of worship and they will worship Him. "With my soul I have desired You in the night, Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early; For when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." Isaiah 26:9 "All the ends of the world Shall remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations Shall worship before You." Psalm 22:27 Apostle Paul said these words in 1Cor 12:3 "Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit." Obviously, Apostle Paul talks about sincerity here, that none can say Jesus is Lord sincerely. Therefore, since every knee will bow and every mouth will confess that Jesus is Lord and it will obviously be a sincere confession, it means that every single being in the universe will be filled with the Holy Spirit. So, the words of Apostle Paul in 1Cor 15 where he says that eventually, God will be all in all, are literally true. There will be not one single atom left in the universe that would remain Godless.
@jjphank
Жыл бұрын
@@nikokapanen82 so you didn’t wanna answer the scriptures GENESIS 2:17 I TOLD YOU TO RESPOND ON!!! you’re losing the debate right now because you cannot PROVIDE VERSES THAT NULLIFY THE VERSES I REFERENCED ! So you think the Bible and God are schizophrenic; by your conversation, you do ! You’re going out of bounds of scripture unless you have a scripture to support what you’re saying and you don’t yet! I’ve got 14 verses that say hell is eternal! what “every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord“ means is, when everyone dies , all eyes are open to the truth then they have to admit that Jesus is Lord! We know this from luke 16! But This event will happen sometime in the millennial reign,! 1st Corinthians 13 we see in a mirror dimly right now then we will know him when we see him face-to-face ! Proof text;; Luke 16 the rich man’s response was not lying. He knows he would be busted! But wanting to take a good memory to hell with him, He wanted somebody to go warn his five brothers and the answer is ‘no’ ….’you’re not gonna have a good memory of saving somebody from hell , when you go to hell ‘! Everybody in hell, wishes, the preachers would preach louder, two they’re lost love ones ! Luke 16 proves it! It is for men once to die, and then the judgment ! You’re wrong on the second chapter of the Bible homeboy
@Jason-Austin
Жыл бұрын
@@jjphank You're using Genesis 2:17 to somehow prove that "hell" is eternal? Your argument doesn't make sense, at least not from a Biblical perspective.
@nikokapanen82
Жыл бұрын
@@jjphank 1 Corinthians 15:28 nullify ALL VERSES that seem to indicate that sin, corruption rebellion, disorder, pain and suffering and any other type of Godlessness will exist forever.
@ajourneysaved4311
Жыл бұрын
I believe what Jesus said. I trust him on the issues of eternal life and death, sin, and how to live a life that pleases the Heavenly Father.
@GlitterGalz
Жыл бұрын
I saw the sign that you were holding in the title screen of this video and thought, ‘no, how could people do THIS to GOD?’
@annaldavis1
Жыл бұрын
So I think this is always an interesting discussion I do like hearing people’s viewpoints on this and the scriptures to back it up. I guess I fall under view #3, but also believe 1, 2, 4 would be options and we probably will never truly know until all is revealed, but the main reason I lean towards #3 is this verse in Revelation “Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.” It seems like this is saying Hell will be destroyed which means damnation is not eternal, either way it doesn’t sound like fun. I appreciate these videos
@jimjuri6490
Жыл бұрын
HELL is a word coined by the KJV for the GRAVE. (Revelation 20:14) And death and the Grave (Hell - KJV, Gr - Hades) were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. This clearly tells us that when death is taken away from humans, the need for a grave will also end. The Lake of Fire MEANS total destruction. Of course the Grave cannot be destroyed literally. It ceases to take in bodies of humans. The term 'Everlasting Life' will come to mind. (Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and DEATH WILL BE NO MORE, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” No torturing of anyone anywhere by God. It is either Everlasting Life or Everlasting Death. See John 3:16.
@ianbouchardmusic7203
5 ай бұрын
I don't know but everyday I pray for Universalism to be true. I can't bare the thought of even the worst person who ever lived, suffering forever.
@JoanneArc-or9sr
3 ай бұрын
I can't like your comment because I done know what universalism means, but I feel you in that last part of your comment.. I am a bible believer whose majority of loved ones who have passed were not saved. Including my parents. It is excruciatingly painful to think of them down there
@tommihail2178
2 ай бұрын
Check out David Bentley Hart and Bobby Faulker for the universalist view on hell .
@ianbouchardmusic7203
2 ай бұрын
@@tommihail2178 I will, thanks :)
@ianbouchardmusic7203
2 ай бұрын
@@JoanneArc-or9sr Universalism is the belief that in the end, all will be saved.
@Jeanettesboxingchannel
2 ай бұрын
@@tommihail2178 I would say this: trust God over David Bentley Hart or Bobby Faulker..
@davidhansen397
Жыл бұрын
View #1 is the only Biblical view of Hell. But Hell is not the final place of torment. Revelation 20 talks about the Lake of Fire which is the final eternal punishment.
@cloudstupaz6693
6 ай бұрын
God is love and forever love us, we cant be lyk him his holy and were not, it is so hard to us to be lyk him coz we are born sinners, were human
@alexiwuchukwu3644
Жыл бұрын
Stop deceiving yourself, repent and give your life to God.
@majesty10xu15
Жыл бұрын
My current view of Hell is that it is a place where God is completely absent. Anyone in a place where God's presence is completely gone would definitely suffer unimaginably even if there are no literal flames, sulfur or chains. If you think about it, people destined to be there are simply getting what they wanted, which is a place for those who want nothing to do with God. They spend their whole lives denying Him and selfishly choosing to do their own thing. It's basically that old adage that says "be careful what you wish for." Honestly, it's still just a working theory. Since none of us can verify definitively what Hell actually is, I can only trust in God's perfect mercy, justice and judgment to work all this out in His perfect way.
@Jesussaves.7777
Жыл бұрын
hell is what The Bible says it is . Eternal punishment and separation from GOD. But there is Hope ; Jesus Christ. Please understand GOD loves you please be careful of videos like this where they preach that we must " work " for our Salvation or fruit check others or ourselves or find " evidence" of our salvation. No my friend stop just simply believe in Jesus Christ for Salvation only nothing more nothing less JESUS says " it is finished " is teaching like this from allen parr which brings hate , shame , condemnation, and resentment towards self , others ,and most worse is to GOD. We must be careful not believe in heresy false teaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ is simple a child can understand it we only need to believe in Jesus Christ alone for Salvation not in works or " being good or obedience" just SOLELY in Jesus Christ and who He is and what He did not look to ourselves/ the sinner but look up to The Savior Jesus Christ. We don't have to work for Salvation it is a free Gift from GOD . There's no such thing as fruit checking ourselves to see if we did enough "good works" fruit to be saved or evidence of being saved. Or working for salvation it just simply believing in Jesus Christ we are saved. Period if someone preaches working for Salvation it is damning people to hell who has never believed on Jesus Christ Solely for their Salvation. Do you believe that you are a sinner and that you can not save yourself from hell ? Do you believe that it is Nothing you or anyone or anything can do to save you. Only Jesus Christ can Save us from hell. Jesus Christ says that He is The Way The Truth and The Life No one can go to The Father in Heaven except through Him Jesus Christ Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and do you believe in your heart that Jesus was crucified, buried and that Jesus Christ was raised up from the dead on The Third Day? If you believe all this alone then you are saved. Do not fear remember what Jesus Christ said " it is Finished" .
@zJohnnyMac
Жыл бұрын
Bingo! God's absence. He can no longer protect you and you dive into infinite chaos. Even your good thoughts are robbed from you. All you can do is scream and go mad. Burning is the least of your concerns. It makes you wonder why Satan is so insane. He's essentially an entity judged to the same fate, but he can roam this world for a bit. It's the perfect curse. He's controlled opposition, fulfilling the desires of the creation he blames. God is a genius!
@Cubicflow
Жыл бұрын
@@Jesussaves.7777 I believe anyone that truly believes in Christ should not bother with checking if they did good, for if they believe in his word, they will already be doing everything correctly.
@shereeowens3470
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully the verse in revelations about worshipping the beast and accepting the mark is the worst punishment of all. For I will not be doing that. Praise the Lord
@majesty10xu15
Жыл бұрын
@@zJohnnyMac And here's another factor that may make things even worse for those in Hell. Lucifer and his minions could be hanging out there with all the unbelievers as well. If that's the case, in addition to the torment of separation from God, they have to contend with Satan and all of his evil schemes. Hell is pretty much Satan's domain, so I can't even imagine what kind of eternal nightmare he and his minions have in store for everyone there.
@wenburke7974
Жыл бұрын
It is real because I knew I was going. My soul left my body temporarily, and I was trying to get back in my body and God let me I was so fragile. Mentally I would’ve never been able to Cope. People want to make every excuse they don’t wanna believe it’s real. I guess it’s too terrifying, but it’s a fact.
@ros6111
11 ай бұрын
These people had experiences too. They say it's not a "fact". Notice... NDE - LINDA S.: "The wrathful, vengeful God, as taught by my religion, instilled in me a deep fear of God, death, and the afterlife. The NDE transformed me, showing that God is only a loving God, WHO DOES NOT JUDGE AND PUNISH. THERE IS NO HELL. I knew I was in the arms of a being who cherished me with PERFECT LOVE and carried me from the dark void into a new reality. There was no place that God did not exist and I was within God. I am an inseparable part of the light. THE TRUTH OF WHO I AM, INDEED, WHO WE ALL ARE, IS PERFECT LOVE as a creation of God. I had spent a lifetime of fear of judgment and now, standing with God, I HAD BEEN KNOWN COMPLETELY AND FOUND FAULTLESS. I KNEW GOD REGARDED ME AS PERFECT. Finally it all made sense. God could only love me because God is only love, nothing other than love. All is as it is supposed to be. UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IS OUR TRUE NATURE." Another Christian...and notice, again.... NDE - ROBYN C.: "I KNOW THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT OR HELL. I just know whatever form God takes, he loves us and welcomes us. I felt an overwhelming sense of complete bliss and contentment. I could see the light ahead of me and felt drawn to it, but I was moving slowly and enjoying the wondrous sensations I felt. Since my experience, I have been certain there is a God, but this is different to what I had believed as a Christian." Again, no "hell" and no judgement.... NDE - JASON H.: "I now know that there is a life after death. I NOW KNOW THAT THERE IS NO HELL. In that overwhelming radiating loving light, I met a glowingly beautiful, very loving being. His loving presence completely surrounded me, and together we went through my life and all that I had experienced, IN A LOVING WAY, NOT ANY JUDGING WAY." Yet again, no "hell" and can't be separated.... NDE - GORDON S.: "THERE IS NO 'heaven' and no 'HELL'. I am just now accepting that part of my purpose for coming back is to help other people awaken to the simple truth: WE ARE LOVE, we are part of God, and WE CANNOT EVER BE SEPARATED FROM GOD. The knowing that we are all inter-connected makes it easy for me to accept people, just as they are." Again, no "hell" and no reward.... NDE - STEVE L.: "I soon realized I did not have my body, and that I was surrounded by consciousness. EVERYTHING IS JUST TOTAL LOVE. There was consciousness that came to me in the form of people I recognized. THERE IS NO heaven or HELL. THERE IS NO "REWARD" FOR A "GOOD LIFE". Our careers, mistakes, money, etc., mean nothing. We join the pure consciousness at the time of leaving our body, and we are all one." Notice again, he clearly understood.... NDE - DOUG F.: "IT WAS CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE IS NO heaven or HELL. Every part of the universe was part of me, and every part of me was part of the universe. THERE WAS COMPLETE INCLUSION AND ACCEPTANCE. This was so far beyond any expectation. Another realization came to me. Everything is known, and there is nothing to learn. Life on earth is not a school, there is nothing to learn. LIFE ON EARTH IS JUST AN EXPERIENCE. NOTHING MORE. As I was guided back, first into the 4th dimension, I could feel the expanded awareness shutting down. THIS LIFE IS ABOUT EXPERIENCE THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE TRULY ARE."
@Yahshuaismyeverything
10 ай бұрын
Hell is real its eternal and people can't comprehend it being eternal just bcus we dont agree doesn't mean it's not true hell is forever people need to read the Bible as it says and accept it
@ros6111
10 ай бұрын
@@Yahshuaismyeverything No it's not real. These NDE people were told its not. Here: NDE - A. JOHNSON: "THERE'S NO HELL, THERE'S NO PUNISHMENT. When you realize there's nothing to forgive, then there's nothing to punish either. I can tell you one thing for sure, THERE WAS NO JUDGEMENT. THERE WAS NOTHING I HAD EVER DONE THAT WASN'T COMPLETELY FORGIVEN, AND 'FORGIVEN' IN THAT CONTEXT MEANT IT WAS GONE. It did not exist. GOD WASN'T HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT, God was loving me right through it, and IT WAS TOTAL AND COMPLETE FORGIVENESS. We dont have to prove ourselves to be loved by God. What I learned on the other side is that THERE'S NO JUDGEMENT ON US, NONE, ZIP, NADA. IN THE OTHER REALM, THERE'S NO JUDGEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO JUDGE. We're all pure unconditional love." He received deep knowledge, notice what it was.... NDE - JAMES T.: "The truth is THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HELL, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SIN, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIL, except for the 'hell' we create ourselves in our fearful, ignorant minds. Don't be offended by the word, ignorant. Look it up! It simply means lacking an understanding. I was on the ceiling looking back at my body. I didn't spend much time even contemplating this because I was no longer in that body, that wasn't me, I was up here on the ceiling, so it was easy to leave that shell behind." What punishment? What hell?.... NDE - WILLIAM T.: "THERE IS NO HELL. THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT FOR WRONG BEHAVIORS, NOR REWARDS FOR RIGHT BEHAVIORS. THERE IS NO JUDICIAL PROCESS. The one-ness I perceived was what is referred to as God. THE PURPOSE OF OUR PHYSICAL EXISTENCE IN LIFE IS TO PROVIDE EVERY POSSIBLE VARIATION OF ACTION, so a knowledge base can exist. This is why people anguish over 'why would God let that happen?' ALL EXPERIENCE, GOOD, BAD, AND MIXED, IS PART OF OMNISCIENT KNOWLEDGE. No matter how horrible the action and how horrible the experience, ALL EXPERIENCES MUST EXIST TO MAKE UP OMNISCIENT KNOWLEDGE. There isn't a single negative emotion on the other side. There's no need for them." Notice, what she knows.... NDE - JUDY G.: "I know God is real, an afterlife exists, and WE ARE SO LOVED. GOD IS MERCY AND LOVE. THERE IS NO HELL. I was asked, 'Do you want to continue this life, or die?' I thought, 'What's death?' The Light began to show me. I knew without a doubt that death was not an ending, but a wonderful opening to my real life. I would be more knowledgeable and live in unconditional completeness and love. I remember feeling almost unworthy of such an indescribable, unconditional love. I was in awe of how much love was enveloping me. Church is not necessary, although it awakens spirit in some people. Fear is illusionary. Only love is real." An out of control biker and drug addict, found out there's no "hell".... NDE - BILL W.: "IT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN TO ALL that ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE IS NO HELL, OR 'BAD' PLACE. If there were, I definitely would have gone there. I was just an out of control, bike riding, drug using hippie from the 1960s. So, there I was, in this 'space' of light, with these three 'beings' appearing in front of me. We had a conversation and later, I was given a choice to stay or to go back. There is no pain, no loss, NO PHYSICAL SENSES AT ALL. Only peace, calm, connectedness - a true feeling of joy, of 'home'."
@PeggyBuchanon
2 ай бұрын
Traditional view is where I stand. Some people want to act like they done know what eternal is but if they don't get right with God they are going to find out the hard eternal way.
@tom7784
Жыл бұрын
I believe in , Annihilationist view in my opinion has the most scriptural support
@CalebStroman
Жыл бұрын
I know you said in your "opinion" but I would just say as a matter of fact it has by far the most scriptural support. here are a few of the clearest verses: Job 21:30; Matthew 7:13; Matthew 10:28; Philippians 3:18-19; Hebrews 10:27; Revelation 20:9; Malachi 4:1 & 3; Isaiah 47:14; 2 Peter 2:6 & 12-13; 2 Peter 3:9; Revelation 21:8; Psalms 37:9-20 & 38; Obadiah 1:15-18; Ezekiel 28:18-19; Hebrews 2:14; John 5:24; John 5:28-29; John 3:15-16; John 10:27-28; Matthew 7:13-14; 1 John 5:11-13; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 6:23; In light of these we see Matthew 25:46, their punishment: 2 Thessalonians 1:9 "destruction" never to be undone.
@aladyof50
Жыл бұрын
I don’t want to go to hell!
@Jesussaves.7777
Жыл бұрын
We must be careful not believe in heresy false teaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ is simple a child can understand it we only need to believe in Jesus Christ alone for Salvation not in works or " being good or obedience" just SOLELY in Jesus Christ and who He is and what He did not look to ourselves/ the sinner but look up to The Savior Jesus Christ. We don't have to work for Salvation it is a free Gift from GOD . There's no such thing as fruit checking ourselves to see if we did enough "good works" fruit to be saved or evidence of being saved. Or working for salvation it just simply believing in Jesus Christ we are saved. Period if someone preaches working for Salvation it is damning people to hell who has never believed on Jesus Christ Solely for their Salvation. Do you believe that you are a sinner and that you can not save yourself from hell ? Do you believe that it is Nothing you or anyone or anything can do to save you. Only Jesus Christ can Save us from hell. Jesus Christ says that He is The Way The Truth and The Life No one can go to The Father in Heaven except through Him Jesus Christ Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and do you believe in your heart that Jesus was crucified, buried and that Jesus Christ was raised up from the dead on The Third Day? If you believe all this alone then you are saved. Do not fear remember what Jesus Christ said " it is Finished" .
@inversionesincia5754
Жыл бұрын
No need to go there, salvation is free and available for you, just have to decide and believe.
@Jesussaves.7777
Жыл бұрын
@@inversionesincia5754 Amen
@TriciaPerry-ef7bi
Жыл бұрын
@@inversionesincia5754I spoke too soon and was looking back. Big mistake even rebaptize. I ran back into destruction? Sin I didn't even know or think I don't Want this world and hurting from sin ..FOOLED NOT SURE WHERE I AM😢😢
@johntrevett2944
Жыл бұрын
Allen, anyone that holds to purgatory doesn't believe that Christs sacrifice was sufficient and rejects the gospel. This is clearly heresy and should be called out. We are called to mark, avoid and call out those that come to us with another gospel.
@petervonbergen5364
Жыл бұрын
I dont believe in purgatory either. Bc it has no scriptural base. But your arguments with the sufficiency of Christ does not really nail it. His Sacrifice was only for believers. The catholics think, Purgatory is a way out for those who were not believers, but nevertheless tried to live a good life as good as they knew and understood. And for Christians with willful sin. But I guess they just invented it, in order to make the catholics believers dependend on their priests.
@johntrevett2944
Жыл бұрын
@petervonbergen5364 Incorrect. His sacrifice was sufficient for the world. There is absolutely zero scriptural support for the limited atonement view. Only human philosophy and a system come to that conclusion. Scripture is clear, Jesus died for the sins of the world, even the false teachers who deny the Lord who BOUGHT them (2 Peter). If you want to talk about the application of the atonement that a whole other conversation. Bottom line, anyone that thinks/holds to purgatory is saying they do not believe Christs sacrifice on the cross was sufficient in paying for thier sins. They do not not believe salvation is by grace through faith alone and believe they are co-savior with Christ. Purgatory is pure heresy. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
@petervonbergen5364
Жыл бұрын
@@johntrevett2944 Thats what I meant with the church inventing it. Nevertheless there are a lot of differing views about the extend of the atonement and what role exactly works play in it. ("faith without works is dead" and other scripture who at least seem to hint at the possibility to lose salvation.) But if I should bet I would agree with you on your interpretation. Thats what I believe too.
@johntrevett2944
Жыл бұрын
@petervonbergen5364 My mistake, brother. All the other 4 points of the TULIP are biblical, but that L has zero support in scripture. God keeps His elect secure. Read Romans 8:30 which clarifies all that are justified are glorified. John 6:37-44 clarifies that all that are given to the Son by the Father are raised on the last day. James 2 and Romans 4 teach salvation by grace apart from works and distinguish the fruit if saving faith vs the root. Those that think they can lose salvation also don't believe Christs sacrifice was good enough also. God gives these people just enough rope to hang themselves by twisting a passage out if context and rejecting 100 clear passages that teach eternal security. Either these folks don't understand the nature of thiet own salvation or don't have it. Only God knows.
@petervonbergen5364
Жыл бұрын
@@johntrevett2944 Its a bit confusing. The passage you mentioned is clear cut and I dont doubt it. But others seem not so clear. F.e. when Jesus said, that if our righteousness is not better than that of the pharasees, we will not enter the kingdom of heaven. And in one sermon he said he will reject many christians bc they are hyporcits. And Paul said something along the lines that we should struggle in order to stay standing if we think we do. And so on. of course you can theologically harmonize all scripture to make it fit. I could do that too. Nevertheless I wish it would be more clear and not so amigous or silent about the important issues.
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