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@tanmaypanadi1414
5 жыл бұрын
Another question how do you ensure your bike dosent move around when you cannot set it to park without the clutch on a slope really sloping roads I mean gears
@dynamicjaethought7788
5 жыл бұрын
RevZilla yay, sure will. good to listen on commutes to work.
@dynamicjaethought7788
5 жыл бұрын
tanmay panadi Leave it in gear, don't go to nuetral and keep front tire pointed toward curb?
@caramelzappa
5 жыл бұрын
@@tanmaypanadi1414 A parking brake. Zero uses a simple but inelegant piece of plastic that keeps the front brake lever clamped down. Or a more expensive kit to add a parking brake to the handlebars. Other automatic bikes like the Aprilia Mana have a lever that engages the parking brake.
@dynamicjaethought7788
5 жыл бұрын
caramelzappa Ooooh, good idea...I didn't even know that was a thing for motorcycles. Especially, of you live in a place like Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
@avedgy
5 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the weight loss Lemmy. Keep it up.
@Sproutt
5 жыл бұрын
Avedgy dude I noticed that too... lolz we have been around ZLA for a while
@OutcastFalcon89
5 жыл бұрын
That was something I thought was just in my head, that’s awesome though. Keep up the good work Lemmy!
@kendotek9414
5 жыл бұрын
Weight loss = Free horsepower, lol
@CACoons07
5 жыл бұрын
Mad respect Lemmy, keep working!
@urgandma
5 жыл бұрын
It's simple, there is one thing holding back electric (motorcycles and cars), and it's not sound, it's not shifting, it's not "soul", and it's not performance. It's the fucking battery, that's it. Batteries are too damn heavy, they take too long to charge, they don't hold enough charge, and they heat up too quickly. Once that one component is fixed it's gonna be a slow death of gas engines. The average person doesn't drive a mustang, an STI, Corvette, lambo, Camero, etc. Most people drive civics, focuses, Corollas, f150s, etc. Gradually it will get phased out because normal people would love to have instant torque, low maintenance, and simplicity. They control the market, and like they said in the beginning, motorcycles follow cars. It's a matter of time.
@threethrushes
5 жыл бұрын
Cost is holding back broad acceptance of electric bikes.
@urgandma
5 жыл бұрын
@@threethrushes cost goes down with time, but if the technology ain't worth investing (or subsidizing) in then it won't matter the cost. It'll never get off the ground.
@pauld.b7129
5 жыл бұрын
@Jack Stucki Exactly. Plus there is a finite amount of battery material that exists. Its possible that electric using litium isnt even sustainable because we will run out of lithium far before we run out of oil, and there may not even be enough in the earth to make an electric car for everyone. And also right, batteries are NOT enviro friendly.
@Hoggdoc1946
5 жыл бұрын
@Jack Stucki And we already know that China has not been the most responsible when dealing with environmental issues so you can almost guarantee they will "F" this up too.
@motorpolitan8884
5 жыл бұрын
Speak for yourself, normie. Battery technology is fine for my uses. But Im not getting one because no clutch, no shifting, and no revs rising and dropping.
@threethrushes
5 жыл бұрын
Dude, it's 2019 and we're still using a technology developed in the Stone age - a wheel! If it ain't broke...
@brianmccann666
5 жыл бұрын
Electricity was invented in the 1800s. Electric Motors are over 150 years old for vehicles. We had Electric Coaches which got speeds up 25mph and rode for up to 75 miles per battery charge. Recharged in 10-15 minutes. Jay Leno has one of these old electric coaches. He loves it.
@brianmccann666
5 жыл бұрын
My point. Electric Vehicles are not a new concept. People need to stop treating it as a new concept. Battery recharge time, Speed, Range are the problems. Not the concept.
@fowey87
5 жыл бұрын
@@brianmccann666 yeah I agree Brian, I know it's not a new invention but it is a new progression for electric bikes. I like that they are pushing to have some competition in the market but for at least another 10 years minimum no one is going to replace there fuel burners for electricity and be 100% sure they made the right choice. I'm gearing up to go out on a ride today now and I know my bike will be able to go as far as I can afford to take it, no distractions of oh how far can I go, oh I better slow down on this lovely stretch of road because I'll save some range. Just gas up with some motion lotion and keep on riding.
@DBolt-xb7sg
5 жыл бұрын
Saying that combustion engines are a 130yr old technology is a cop out. Engine manufacturing has come a long way in the last 30 years thanks to metallurgy (see Yamaha 5 valve technology). We are only now on the cusp of motorcycle technology that cars have had for 20+ years. This isn't a good time for eletric motorcycles to be introduced because motorcycle technology is increasing so drastically.
@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing
5 жыл бұрын
I dunno whats on your bike, but I don't ride on wheels. I ride on *_TIRES_* One of man's first inventions. The bias ply tire.
@renynzea
5 жыл бұрын
My Zero is in the shop right now. Been in there for 3 weeks. The dealership just picked up the brand and they are waiting on a diagnostic tool to be able to analyze it. They also only have one tech qualified to work on it. For the short term support is the biggest issue electric motorcycles face. The dealer network for these machines is sparse, and manufacturer support is lacking. Might be great if you live in CA; everywhere else I'd only recommend one as a second or third bike.
@Demoni696
5 жыл бұрын
As someone that works in the EV moto industry, thank you! This was probably the most intelligent and informed discussion I have heard about the future of EV. 3 moto dudes with contrasting opinions chopping it up.
@atomictaninbomb
5 жыл бұрын
I went from a Duc Monster to a 2017 Zero S, I'm tellin' you, I do NOT miss valve jobs, oil leaks, buying gas, and random shit breaking down all the time. 2 years now and its been reliable AF and a 5 yr unlimited mileage warranty on the battery. Looking forward to getting an SR/F next time around.
@LadybugAdventures
5 жыл бұрын
For electric to become more popular is PRICE!
@baltsosser
5 жыл бұрын
And range, and recharge stations...
@BassOutcast
5 жыл бұрын
Range is a bigger factor. You can use an electric bike around town or on commutes but it's not really suitable for touring, and as someone who covers a lot of miles on long trips, having a fast charger (say one hour till full charge) and longer range (say 400-500 km) can be a game changer, since I have nothing against going electric otherwise.
@baltsosser
5 жыл бұрын
@@BassOutcast I think you are on the money there. I can deal with a high price, but you can't have both a massive hit on range, AND a recharge time that almost needs you to check into a hotel to cover. If they can fix those two elements, I'd be interested in taking it for a longer ride.
@travisc231
5 жыл бұрын
@mld I'd argue weight doesn't matter since that is just how the bike is designed. Moreso I would argue it as 1) recharge time (not taking 1 hour for 95% charge), 2) infrastructure across the country as well as within urban areas and 3) price price price...fuck HD and their $30k prototype.
@jaronard1
4 жыл бұрын
Price is a proxy for value, nothing more.
@michaelboettger5071
5 жыл бұрын
Very much appreciate the "real" discussion here. Dissenting viewpoints create dialog and thought about issues. I thought I knew where I stood on electric bikes, and other than the lack of infrastructure issue, I am now rethinking a few points. Thanks, jerks. :)
@CoreyBrass
5 жыл бұрын
You mentioned that cars came out before gas stations so people had to carry gas...I think that you forgot to add that horses and wagons were very commen in rural areas well into the 20th century. General Patton was a Calvary officer. People forget that horses and engines worked side by side for a long time before people gave up their horses.
@threethrushes
5 жыл бұрын
An excellent point. The history of innovation is fascinating.
@eberbacher007
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly the us Forces were the only forces in WW2 that were fully mechanized. all the other armies, still relied on infantry to walk, and horses to tow stuff,
@CoreyBrass
5 жыл бұрын
@Liberty Tree we used some pack mules while I was Afghanistan in 06 but not on a major level. My point really was that old tech and new tech have a very long overlap and it's not like one ends and the other begins. My dad grew up on a farm in Iowa with an outhouse and no electricity (they did get electricity when he was a kid) in the late 40s and early 50s. Another example is when you drive across America you still run into some areas where mobile phone or Internet aren't there.
@thinkingoutloud9126
5 жыл бұрын
Environmentally speaking, you didn’t go into the impact of digging up/harvesting lithium for the batteries or the waste generated from building them. It shouldn’t be understated.
@Hoggdoc1946
5 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the impact of having to dispose of spent battery packs but the 100s of thousands.
@TheImtoomuch
5 жыл бұрын
And the fact that charging is powered by pollution by way of burning fossil fuels. We don't have enough power during summer heatwaves so how can we support that and all electric vehicles.
@thinkingoutloud9126
5 жыл бұрын
TheImtoomuch, we can build more solar and/or wind farms. Nuclear power, when well maintained, is a comparatively super clean and efficient way to generate huge amounts of power. I think the increased use of electricity (if we replaced all ic and diesel vehicles with electric) would still generate less emissions than the vehicles they replace. The big problem in my mind goes to my original statement. The other pollutants generated, lands destroyed, and resources depleted in the process of switching to electric transportation. Is all that other negative environmental impact worth it to reduce emissions? What happens if we run out of lithium and can’t find a suitable replacement? Do we reconvert to fossil fuels? The big buzz is climate change, CO2, but we can’t forget other issues. If we’re going to do better let’s do it the best we can and consider and factor every issue possible. I’m not down with destroying the ground and the water and the plants and the animals just to save the sky.
@BalmungTaishou
5 жыл бұрын
@@thinkingoutloud9126 Agreed I mean as of last year America only mines about 2% of the worlds lithium (www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-minerals-lithium/u-s-electric-car-sector-wary-of-china-seeks-more-domestic-lithium-idUSKBN1J82HS) and mining Lithium can be hazardous just like every thing else we got (www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact) SO the real question which Joe touched upon is why are not doing all this mining in space? I mean mine alkali and stuff in space, build giant solar panels and transport to earth( and beyond). Biggest problem with the climate is us so we should spread out a bit more.
@Firestorm637
5 жыл бұрын
In 5 years, Tesla brought battery prices from $250/kWh to almost $100/kWh. This will continue as the world is looking for the next great battery. This will help laptops, smartphones, etc
@pauld.b7129
5 жыл бұрын
Yes but they're still more expensive and less reliable than a regular car. Not to mention if you ever need to go someplace more than 50 miles away your up shit creek. Better ride the bus in that case lmao. Tell everyone on the bus how you drive a Tesla rofl
@TheImtoomuch
5 жыл бұрын
Tesla sells garbage and Elon Musk is mentally unstable.
@williamrusk631
5 жыл бұрын
As soon as someone perfects a slow discharge capacitor its game over, batteries are ancient tech too guys, capacitors charge in an instant and hold incredible amounts of voltage in a small package,
@tanmaypanadi1414
5 жыл бұрын
The caps need a lot of improvement before they don't blow up as you try to keep them from discharging
@enntense
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah , if your around any type of sytsem with high capacitance, your also around a system with a lot of cooling..
@kevenharvey9711
5 жыл бұрын
No, voltage doesn't really matter, it can help with efficiency, a little, what really matters is power and batteries are way better at storing power.
@Hoggdoc1946
5 жыл бұрын
I think the best statements made during this video was where does the electricity come from to charge these things. The facts as more and more electric vehicle hit the road the infrastructure to produce the electricity to charge will need to increase. The net effect could be more pollution over all. Look at the nightmare we call ethanal and the impact it is having on the cost of other items such as food and fuel for fo no net gains.
@enntense
5 жыл бұрын
@@Hoggdoc1946 I think even more telling is the total lack of infrastructure available to handle the extra current draw(amp load) to charge the theoretical massive future fleet of electric vehicles. Imagine a parking lot with 600,000 amps worth of current draw hardware...
@caramelzappa
5 жыл бұрын
My first bike is a Zero SR. I think Spurge comparing a DCT to electric drive is false. On the DCT you're still dealing with the limitations of the motor, you're still dealing with set gear ratios, so it makes sense it's not giving you the control that you need. On a proper electric drivetrain you have very precise direct control from 0 all the way to 100mph and there's nothing you can't access with the throttle. Its' similar on the outside but it's not the same thing. As someone who rides a direct drive bike but ride a manual, I really think electric is better. From gear ratios being constraining to losing power between each shift as you pull in the clutch, gears just don't give you the same control and power that a good electric drivetrain gives. I think most of the arguments about gears being better honestly come from a place of nostalgia and thinking/pretending that an electric motor has the same limitations as a gas motor. If electric motorcycles can give really good variable regen braking (Zero is lacking here) then it would really step up the game in terms of control. As far as I'm concerned, cost/range/recharge time are the only things stopping electric from being the norm, long term. And we're getting closer every year.
@jeffreymoffitt4070
5 жыл бұрын
Lets all invest in every battery developer we can find and force them to find a better battery
@Miata822
5 жыл бұрын
So much to say, but I'll try to narrow it to one point, maintenance/mods. Though the population of electric motorcycle owners today is small and many of them bought their bikes for environmentally sensitive commuting there already exists a community of people who modify and hotrod electric bikes. Changing drive ratios can provide harder acceleration or longer range. Modifying aerodynamics can improve range and top speed. On-board chargers can be changed out for quicker charging time. Different replacement batteries can be assembled. Finally, the motor controller can be reprogrammed similarly to how a gas bike can be tuned on a dyno. None of this is easy. There are few bolt-on mods today. That means you actually have to know what you are doing and it is easy to get into trouble making mods you don't fully understand. That's fine. It just means the American hotrod/tuner/customizer tradition is alive and well. And of course there are those who build their own electric bikes, often converted from gas bikes. ElectricMotorcycleForum dot Com is one place to look to learn more. Other quick hits: Electric bikes are an infant industry with specialized uses. They may never be good for touring. A Panigale V-4 or 2-stroke dirt bike would not be my first choice for touring either. Quit looking for some non-existent one-size-fits-all dream. That's a cop-out. Fossil fuel power plants produce and transmit electricity very efficiently. Electric motors use electricity very efficiently, over 90%. Every step in making, delivering, and burning gasoline in an engine has inefficiencies and pollution. Gas engines at best use 30% of the energy in gasoline. With most it is barely 20%. There is much bad information out there but from an engineering standpoint there is no question. As renewable generation grows this becomes even more obvious. Now get yer butts up off the sofa and go test ride a Zero SR/F. It will blow your mind. There is a global waiting list.
@TheBstakz
5 жыл бұрын
I ride a Kawasaki whenever I can (including work). I work in the hybrid department of one of the Detroit Big 3, and I absolutely love this episode! People speaking about electric motorcycles seriously. I have my own thoughts, but I’m so glad to have these guys look at all the standpoints.
@carlosfigueroa8299
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys! Great video. Excellent observations. I’m considering electric for my short commute. BTW noise pollution is not only a problem on the trail but anBIG problem in urban environments.
@BlockCylinder
5 жыл бұрын
I live in Brooklyn and I have a 30-minute commute on my Super Tenere. Ten minutes of that is suiting up and pulling the bike out of the neighbor's gated driveway. The Revel electric scooter share just expanded to my area, and even if I have to walk a couple of blocks to the nearest scooter and stay off the Parkway it's significantly faster than riding my own bike. It's also easy, nearly silent, fits into smaller spaces, and I don't need to worry about parking tickets at work. If I used my own bike mainly for commuting I would surely be shopping for an e-motorcycle right now. If I were going to own two bikes I think I'd keep the ST for trips out of town and add an e-motorcycle for commuting.
@eberbacher007
5 жыл бұрын
the ground doesn´´t care whether you crash into it at 40mph, falling of a gas driven vehicle or an electric one, so you still need to suit up
@cjaquilino
5 жыл бұрын
Much as I like traditional bikes-they'll be around forever-electric bikes are the way of the future. And I bet they'll rapidly improve and get cheaper. Though they make for different experiences.
@thatguycalledart6270
5 жыл бұрын
Whatever the future is it’s the opposite of what we expect. So I’ll wait and see
@pauld.b7129
5 жыл бұрын
Really? having to wait hours on hours for the electric thing to charge so that you can get a dismal 80 mile range is the future? I kind of feel like having unlimited range and being able to fill and go literally as far as your heart desires is actually the more advanced mode of transporting yourself. Electric is actually going backwards.
@thatguycalledart6270
5 жыл бұрын
Paul Kojack lmao man you think the technology won’t advance
@pauld.b7129
5 жыл бұрын
@@thatguycalledart6270 i don't think you are going to advance it. And assuming some mystery scientist will do it for you is an error. You dont know the limit of how much things can advance. Maybe its the peak right now. You arent in a position to say.
@thatguycalledart6270
5 жыл бұрын
Paul Kojack even so. These bikes aren’t designed for long distance. Hence you don’t see a touring electric bike. 80 miles in a day is more than enough for city riding. I don’t like them but that doesn’t mean I can be as obtuse as you are being regarding the utility of the bikes. In an increasingly urbanised world, individuals need to drive cross country less and less. Secondly technology always advances. battery technology has been advancing for decades.
@TheVwboyaf1
4 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool that Hopper from Stranger Things hangs out on your Podcast.
@davereinhart9933
5 жыл бұрын
You guys are spot on. I love the content and forum. I look forward to every episode. It is like hanging with friends talking bikes in the garage.
@Xrusader
5 жыл бұрын
I've got a Zero SR. The two biggest hurdles going forward is #1 - cost and #2 lithium ion batteries. In the next few years expect solid state batteries to start appearing (probably in cars first). That will be the turning point.
@herbwag6456
5 жыл бұрын
What exactly is a solid state battery? Do you mean capacitor?
@Hoggdoc1946
5 жыл бұрын
Don't hold your breath my friend.
@SpoolinVR
5 жыл бұрын
One thing you guys did not mention is solar power. I have solar panels on my house and produce more than my yearly consumption. So if I got an electric motorcycle it would be very green. What keeps me from switching is price, range and weight. Keep up the awesome content. Loving it! Thank you.
@variablex1374
4 жыл бұрын
Recharge stations, range (~250 mi), recharge time (
@KieoVamp
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, no matter what people say about electric they are the future, they will be able to do things so much better than combustion engines an will easily do 500 miles on a full charge and take minutes to charge when perfected.
@jonnycando
5 жыл бұрын
That's the only way to make it work...but it won't be in my lifetime....so in my case the whole question of electric bikes for touring is just plain moot.
@KieoVamp
5 жыл бұрын
In my life time it will be, in 20 years time you won't even be able to buy petrol or diesel cars as all will be electric, trust me.
@barbara5807
5 жыл бұрын
@@KieoVamp There actually isn't enough lithium in the world to replace all gas vehicles with electric, we will have to wait for hydrogen combustion and fuel cell for actual progress.
@tanmaypanadi1414
5 жыл бұрын
Kieo how old are ?
@KieoVamp
5 жыл бұрын
32, electric is already very popular in places like Holland, Germany and Belgium, japan businesses have charging points so you can charge while at work not to mention nearly every new car is a hybrid. They will make enough batteries, as humans we will always find a way to evolve, combustion engines are old technology and will be fazed out by 2040 - 50
@timhays4290
5 жыл бұрын
Dealerships will suffer loss of revenue. Tune ups, oil change, ............
@prisonerr24601
5 жыл бұрын
Creative destruction. Society will adjust just like how horseshoes are no longer commonplace maintenance for your transportation.
@BikesBoatsBivouacs
5 жыл бұрын
I think I would miss the traditional sound of the gas motor.
@danmanthe9335
3 жыл бұрын
I thought I would too until I tried one
@PremierNZ-qb5zd
5 жыл бұрын
Can’t beat the sound of a big bike accelerating and decelerating and shifting up and down through the twisties brings a grin to my face every time. The whine of an electric motor just doesn’t cut it and never will.
@r3b0rn80
5 жыл бұрын
Materials needed to build batteries are mostly (if not ONLY) own by China and those rare elements do exist in a finite quantity. What will happen when needed quantities will drasticaly decrease ? Price will go up, of course, to a point where this will become what it already is : a luxurious (and unuseful) niche product... There is no reason for this debate to exist. Keep on with the good work ✌️
@dermur68
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely - there's only so much cobalt and lithium on the planet. The demand for batteries will also grow exponentially as we come to rely more on renewable energy for electricity for our energy storage needs. Plus there's already competition for these metals in the manufacting sector, pharma sector, etc. Here's hoping something for a silver bullet to come along sooner rather than later!
@ectornkarinaa
5 жыл бұрын
Thoughts on loud pipes save lives? Everybody hits the rev limiter when a car driver cuts them off or doesn't see them as a warning like hey I'm here. I guess you could still use the horn but with loud pipes at least they can hear you
@arthurpendragon9079
5 жыл бұрын
You guys neglected to mention the issue of spent battery disposal and the possible pollution issues there. Unfortunately, TANSTAAFL
@bobthebuilder372
5 жыл бұрын
Batteries can easily be recycled and the vast majority of precious metals can be reused in new batteries.
@Heavywall70
5 жыл бұрын
mcgaurya000 Oh ! I didn’t know it was “easy” You just made some contradictory statement support with nothing more than your opinion. Which I’m sure is based on years upon years of research. What a world we live in graced by your wisdom.
@Lex-Rex
5 жыл бұрын
@@bobthebuilder372 that is not true, but you can keep thinking that while the child labor slave labor continues when mining for cobalt and lithium.
@Stoney-Lawson
5 жыл бұрын
Why doesn't Anthony partake in these?
@UNCrowing
4 жыл бұрын
I personally love the mechanical involvement that comes along with riding. For me, shifting through the gears and feeling the heat and vibrations from the engine make riding a more visceral, enjoyable experience. However, these attributes also make motorcycling intimidating to many would-be riders. When I explained to a non-rider friend that each hand and each foot is responsible for a different function on my motorcycle, he was flabbergasted. The idea of learning and managing so much while riding was extremely intimidating to him. He also has zero mechanical inclinations, so even basic maintenance would be a nuisance to him. There are A LOT of people like my friend these days. Electric bikes requiring just a twist of the throttle and little maintenance might actually attract these folks who otherwise would never try motorcycling.
@steve_kamrad5216
5 жыл бұрын
On the highside Zito reveals he's jelly of Spurgeon's hair. On the low side Zito is also jelly of Lemmy's hair. This should be called "between two haircuts" (between two ferns joke).
@jamesmoran6058
5 жыл бұрын
Why does no one talk about how toxic environmentally damaging Lithium batteries are?
@patriotbiker2594
5 жыл бұрын
Charge times are much more important then range. I would take a bike with 150 mile freeway range with a 10 min or less charge time.
@eberbacher007
5 жыл бұрын
yes and no. charge time is important, but when you can´t do a 100 mile roadtrip through the forrest where you can´t recharge, its just no good. thats what i am saying. 120 mile range for dirtbikes, 250 mile range for standard bikes, fast loading fz07 price and they would sell like hotcakes
@patriotbiker2594
5 жыл бұрын
eberbacher007 250 mile range is pretty much impossible with current battery technology without at least doubling the battery size. Now one thing they could do with the live wire is add removable saddle bag type range extenders.
@eberbacher007
5 жыл бұрын
@@patriotbiker2594 well most bike rides with friends are arbout 150-250 miles with maybe a short cofee brake or something like that, but there you can´t recharge, especially not fast recharge
@aopa1070
5 жыл бұрын
Not having the sound of exhaust and motors takes away an element from motorcycling. When I hear a nice sounding exhaust system, my head turns. My head has never turned to listen to a tesla.
@BalmungTaishou
5 жыл бұрын
One of my biggest issues now trying to buy a petrol power Motorcycle for the first time is that I don't want a bike that sounds like an angry bumblebee, I kinda want some rolling thunder not much but just enough that people in cars, trucks and rigs can hear me coming. I mean people already don't really see riders sometimes so I think the sound is a good component to have for rider visibility.
@bikerdad63
5 жыл бұрын
The con nobody seemed to want to touch on is the environmental impact of the production of the batteries and what happens with them when they need to be replaced.
@johnbug1504
5 жыл бұрын
Amazing Content as always. Keep the shiny side up!
@esk8jaimes
5 жыл бұрын
This is a really good discussion about electric motorcycles, thank you for talking about this stuff instead of being biased and dismissive about the subject.
@yankeecantrell
5 жыл бұрын
The real problem is convincing people it's worth it. My honda nc700x gets 60 mpg, it's got 20,000 miles on it. Relatively no maintenance and cheaper than all electric bikes. So where is the savings. Every 5 years, a top end and valves are cheaper than a new $6000 battery. The "savings" on fuel are negligible. Still have to do tires, brakes. To convert me, I need it to be cheaper than current bikes.
@slashinrockin
5 жыл бұрын
We love our petrol and gas Motos way too much. As of now we are already able to manufacture our own petroleum products, gas will not be gone in any of our lifetimes. As for the younger generation it will be to their judgment. One thing is certain, electric bikes have to reduce the cost and increase the range.
@threethrushes
5 жыл бұрын
We love our horses and saddles way too much. As of now, we have an inexhaustible supply of horses, and they won't go anywhere in our lifetimes.
@slashinrockin
5 жыл бұрын
Very clever, thanks for the laugh. Enjoy your horse and buggie, I prefer bridling internal combustion ponies.
@maheshy1
5 жыл бұрын
I like clutch. Keeps things similar to the petrol bike. Keeping rpms low increases range. Increases the life too minimizing heat. You don't have to pull in the clutch at a traffic stop. Because the engine can afford to go to zero rpm.
@uberDoward
5 жыл бұрын
First of all, fucking *love* the highside / lowside format. A++, would watch again lol. Ok, electric bikes - Lem and Spurge hit the problem from both ends. IF an electric bike is going to command 20-30k, that bike has got to be 'enough' (both range and recharge rate) to be a person's only bike. IF the bike is going to have reduced range / recharge rate, then it has to be cheap enough to be a person's 2nd bike. For me, 150 miles + 30 minute recharge rate under $25k would be the 'minimum' starting point. The Livewire is close (140 miles, 40 minutes recharge, $30k) but it's not quite there. It can't replace my FXR, so I can't justify the purchase. The Zero SR/F is also close (161 miles, 60 minute recharge, $25k) - but still not quite there. AND as was mentioned, Alta had an amazing bike, and disappeared. Rumor has it that Zero only sold ~600 bikes last year. A 5 year warranty is useless if the company goes belly up - I'd pay more for HD, knowing that company is going to be around for a while still, and that warranty will MEAN something. If Harley came out and said "Oh, btw, we guarantee battery upgrades for Livewire over the coming years as a drop in replacement", THEN I could justify that $30k price. But... here we are. So close, but not quite there.
@robertemmons8610
5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, it is interesting to look at things from a different perspective. Suppose we never developed the gasoline piston engine, and we were all driving around in Tesla-like vehicles with all their current limitations. Of course, we would have developed some work arounds to minimize the inconvenience of the limited distance and charging times like lots of superchargers and maybe easily replaceable batteries. Suppose someone came to us and said they just developed a gasoline piston engine that could go 400 miles between re-fueling and be re-fueled in 5 minutes. But ... it has 100 moving parts instead of basically one moving part in our electrical motors. Also, it requires a bunch of complicated stuff like a transmission, a carburetor or fuel injector, and a fuel pump. Plus, all these things also have many moving parts. Plus, you'll have to lug around a tank of highly flammable liquid which could even explode. Plus, this contraption is going to belch out clouds of toxic gasses that can literally kill you in minutes in a closed space. And, to add insult to injury, you are going to need a battery and electric motor to just to start this Rube Goldberg contraption. I think we would take a pass on the gasoline piston engine, and stay with the limitations of the electric motor and battery, and work on overcoming those limitations. YMMV.
@sambennett5203
5 жыл бұрын
Great discussion. New riders being attracted to motorcycling shouldn't be overlooked here. Yes, a lot of existing riders have endless gripes which you've documented. But I am a new rider - 44 years old, got my license two weeks ago. I'm also a cyclist and was attracted to motorcycling as a clean, fun way to get to work and quick trips around town. I want to go electric. Range is not an issue for me - 45 miles is fine. Top speed is not an issue either - I don't want to drive on the freeway. Ironically, I ended up going with a CSC SG250 since I wanted to learn how to ride and maintain a simpler UJM-styled bike for traveling overseas and bike touring while there. But my next bike (which I will buy a year from now) will be electric. So, I'm proof that electric bikes will attract new riders to the motorcycling community! 😊
@hadesomegamoto7639
5 жыл бұрын
I am for and against transmission after being an Empulse owner. Electric motors DO have an efficient RPM range. That's why on the Empulse you have a green zone in the tachometer. The motor is most efficient in that RPM range. Electric motors do not rev to the moon. A lot of the powerful electric motorcycles they choose or build a motor that will operate in a speedzone they are spec'd for. I honestly think the Empulse has too many gears I think instead of 6 maybe 3 would have been fine. But one cool thing about having the gears you can adjust your regen by keeping the revs up. Much like an ICE if you want more engine braking you downshift, it works the same way on an electric motor. With a one speed direct drive you can't do that as your RPMs drop you loose regen. One motorcycle with lower power motors gears would make it run much more efficiency, you can choose the gear for the terrain you are riding on.
@AndyBettencourt
5 жыл бұрын
Simple answer is no. Why? What is the first mod most people do? Exhaust. Why is that? People love the visceral feeling, sounds and smells of motorcycling. There is a place for them for sure but they won’t eliminate the real feels. Add to that the silence and you get the “loud pipes save lives” people holding their ground.
@yonniboy1
5 жыл бұрын
I have to confess to having had a really negative view of electric motorcycles ,till last summer when my young nephew who'd only been riding 2 or 3 years called to my house with his new Zero SR, he said "lets see how it does in a drag race against your bike" (my bike's a GSX-R 1000R) so we went up to a pretty deserted country road and he kicked my ass, no matter how many times we tried he left me for dead up to nearly 120mph when the gixxer would reel it in and overtake but realistically 0 to 120mph covers probably 95% of your every day biking, he lent me the Zero for the day a short time later and I loved that acceleration, what I didn't like was that in sport mode you could almost watch the battery life dropping like a stone and I found the silence of the bike slightly unnerving ,as did a few people who walked out onto the road in front of the bike but you'd soon get used to the lack of engine sound, at the minute the only thing that'd stop me buying one is the appalling battery range and also they're still a lot heavier than sports bikes.
@jonathansanders5308
5 жыл бұрын
Never thought I'd be a Luddite on this but I personally love the sounds and quirks and presence of the the engine... electric bikes don't really have that same with cars. They are better machines but they feel the part and are harder to trick into personifying or some sense of person-hood and whathaveyou.
@acaelusthorne4920
2 жыл бұрын
Ok about laguna Seca. If you buy a house near a track then deal with the sound. I don't really think it is the tracks fault.
@pushinold
5 жыл бұрын
Please discuss the environmental aspects of disposal of the lithium batteries at the end of life. The batteries can't be recycled, and the lithium never goes away. It leaches from the landfills into the water system. What is the environmental impact of lithium?
@Vessekx
5 жыл бұрын
Lithium-technology batteries can already be recycled, there just isn’t much demand for it yet.
@Vessekx
5 жыл бұрын
Bernd DasBrot, yes, but the lithium used in the batteries still has ample supply for production, so there’s little demand for *recycling* the batteries to reclaim the lithium therein for reuse.
@robchapman3627
5 жыл бұрын
I think you guys started to hit on a topic that will have the most impact but then abandoned it and went another direction and that's the service industry and aftermarket industry. Most dealerships, if they're being honest, make most of their money in these two categories. It's not sales of new or used bikes that keeps the doors open. If/when electric motorcycles become the mainstream and if they're as efficient and maintenance free as proposed, who's going to be around to sell them? I know that's a long time down the road, but if we're not looking 50 years ahead we will kill an industry and a favorite pastime of millions of people. The second thought here is the visceral feeling of riding. The vibrations, smell, sound of riding a street bike. Most of us don't want to replace that with electric bikes that are silent. We want that loud exhaust. We want to feel the engine beneath us. That's all as much a part of riding as being on two wheels. Lastly, you would eliminate many parts of the country as viable riding destinations. How many country back roads or scenic highways or woods would become obsolete for riding because there is barely a gas station within a hundred miles, much less a charging station? I understand why the city commuter would be all over this and that's fine, but it's not for the mainstream motorcyclist.
@waveman6591
5 жыл бұрын
Motorcycles gotta SOUND like a motorcycle in my book.
@daynmitchell7543
5 жыл бұрын
I like quiet bikes, in my experience loud ones just piss people off.
@AE86FTS
5 жыл бұрын
@@daynmitchell7543 I rather piss people off than get ran into because I wasn't noticed.
@Lightemup2005
5 жыл бұрын
I have an 2015 KTM Freeride E and have 10.100 km on the odometer so far. I’m using it for commuting to / from work and shorter trips from home. I also have a 690 Duke which I also use for commuting and longer trips. In my view electric bikes are the future and once charging times and range are at acceptable levels many will jump to electric bikes. Emissions regulations will force the change in the end.
@disekjoumoer
5 жыл бұрын
The best HS/LS yet! Things that need to happen, as Spurg and Jo said: range and re-charging time. The segment that has already started to move into electric in a huge way: electric bicycles. I live in Zurich in Switzerland, where the people have way too much money and the number of big, expensive electric bikes is astonishing. They are simply fantastic around European cities. The segment where it's sort of happening: electric scooters. Better range than e-bikes and arguably safer, too (due to bike safety laws applying). But Vespa and the Asians still have the ICE scooter market cornered, mainly due to price (Lemmy's point). I don't think battery technology is going to improve radically over the next decade or so, so what is really needed is the political will or the economic bonus in building infrastructure for electric vehicles. Look up Norway's almost complete charging station coverage to see how it can be done if money and will is there. But you'll still have to pry my KTM SMT from my cold dead hands 😂
@deadgameguns
5 жыл бұрын
as long as they offer both gas and electric that's cool...why does it have to be either or. it's like vegans...we're cool with them being vegan but they're always trying to convince us we should be vegan.
@tosheshdaulta8899
5 жыл бұрын
You should be.
@animallover9378
5 жыл бұрын
@@normandy2501 a vegan driving a hummer is more environmentally friendly than a carnivore driving a Prius. Look it up
@Loki1620
5 жыл бұрын
@@animallover9378 bah to both analogies!
@dannyflydays7166
5 жыл бұрын
@R Parker, yes once we figure out how to have a sustainable energy source that does not require us to be burning copious amounts of fossil fuels to attain it. Also the electrical network across the board would need to be upgraded to account for all the vehicles that are charging, just something to think. about.
@Loki1620
5 жыл бұрын
@@normandy2501 batteries are horrible for the environment. Far worse than current fuels produce.
@BlackRabbitt92
Жыл бұрын
Joe! My first dirtbike was an xr50 and an rm85 bw! The modern version of your childhood lol
@magsteel9891
5 жыл бұрын
My god man, we are still wearing pants! Pants! They were invented like thousands of years ago! It just blows my mind. That wasn't much of an argument against internal combustion engines.
@kennetic9196
5 жыл бұрын
Also, electric motorcycles have been around just as long as ICE motorcycles.
@caruser4
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was pretty dumb. Can you believe we still use wood to build houses?
@pauld.b7129
5 жыл бұрын
Thats everyones things now "its the current year therefore this thing is outdated because i say so". Most people just want to sound like they are smart and progressive and 'with the times'. They don't even realize the importance of the ice engine and the fact that it alone has made the modern world what it is today. It almost irks me at the disrespect. Id rather knock down the pyramids than get rid of the ice engine.
@TheDeanosaurus
5 жыл бұрын
You get an electric motorcycle that can go 100mph with 150 mile range for under $4k it will sell. I'd buy one. I still think the cost component is the highest barrier.
@alexwilsonpottery3733
5 жыл бұрын
Dean Kelly, there isn't currently any 'ice' bike with that performance at that price new.
@TheDeanosaurus
5 жыл бұрын
Alex Wilson Pottery meh there are some cheaper 250s. Just look at CSC bikes they meet those requirements. But you’re right some of that is hard to achieve with cheaper ICE bikes but the technology is different with electrics and it doesn’t take nearly as much power to get up to speed. Very interesting problem to solve but I still say price is the current barrier.
@churchofmarcus
5 жыл бұрын
After a couple of days, you don't miss shifting on the Zero. I think it's that motorcycling is involved enough without shifting. Also Spurge, you don't need the shifting to get the bike to do the right thing, you're always in the right gear and roll off regen handles the "downshift."
@sbourdondvm
5 жыл бұрын
currently, even on the horrible example you used 100 miles travel 5 min to refuel but you think 150 and 1/2 hour is ok. how will you run a 200 - 300-mile enduro never mind do 1000 miles tour. Until the energy density of batteries is substantially increased electric motorcycles will remain a minuscule curiosity for the well off.
@eberbacher007
5 жыл бұрын
also my thoughts electirc is great for offroad because it keeps down complaints because people donßt even know you are there, problem is that you can´t refuel, because in contrast to gasoline, you can´t have an additional 3 liters on the back of your bike or so. The best use for electric bike is stuff like indoor motocross tracks,
@michaelgraziano8591
5 жыл бұрын
Great topic Not an electric bike fan
@danmanthe9335
3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever ridden one?
@sinthomas0079
5 жыл бұрын
just some reasons that I'm interested, but not going to bay a e-bike 200 miles, less then 30 mins re-charge time, or a battery change stations just as changing batteries on a cellphone 10 years ago, which happening in Taiwan, free battery change and re-charge stations just like gas stands. My CB400 gives me 240 kilometers ride and less then 10 mins to refuel (Full as 17L) any reasons for me to give away my 12 years old super four and have a 20000 dollar bike but not better then that?
@MAPPED
4 жыл бұрын
Hey all! I am late to the party here...but the BIGGEST problem is not range, price or charge time...it is INFRASTRUCTURE! If there are no charging points out and about (service stations, car parks, small towns and hotels) then the whole exercise is flawed!
@davepotter9532
5 жыл бұрын
The idea about dealerships becoming battery dealership is right for now but wrong for the future. At the moment electric bike manufactures are focused on "ELECTRIC". The bike is the gimmicky part for them. When it becomes part of mainstream motorcycle technology, the "BIKE" part will become the main focus. So in the future we will be talking about Honda "platforms" . It will still be chassis, brakes and tires.
@DifferentSpokesTV
5 жыл бұрын
For me it’s the range that’s the issue. We don’t yet have the infastructure in Canada to go long and have a quick charge on the way, especially if you’re out in the boonies.
@DK-jd8bj
5 жыл бұрын
Charge times have to be less than 15 minutes. Half an hour is not acceptable.
@Miata822
5 жыл бұрын
For most people the charge time is while they are sleeping and the bike is sitting in the garage.
@brianaustin1328
5 жыл бұрын
Correct, price is the problem. I love the HD electric bike, but it is excessively expensive.
@tosheshdaulta8899
5 жыл бұрын
Costs will come down with wider adoption
@rattletop
5 жыл бұрын
Imo, it's just a matter of time before the last IC engine motorcycle are manufactured. The Electric revolution is coming hard and fast. The only drawbacks(at this time) being the battery range and it's recharge time. As for as the sounds go, I predict some audio equipment to mimic the exhaust note based on the amount of throttle. It helps others on the road(to know a motoryclce is around) plus gives the rider another sensory reception of power at the wheel.
@mop0014
5 жыл бұрын
You have not fully researched electricity generation, lots of people take what you say as fact.
@fisherman775
5 жыл бұрын
Lets "AMP" up this topic ( ouch ,sorry ) but in my opinion I think the only thing holding back electric motorcycles becoming mainstream is price , most people these days are struggling just to keep there heads above water so when they look to buy a motorcycle ( which is a luxury buy anyway) they will always opt for the $6000 conventional variant rather than the $20000 electric option .
@johndye1840
5 жыл бұрын
Electric vehicles suck. I had to use one for about 8 years. I had limited range. Being caught out in weather sucked worse. It was a lot slower than my 150cc bike. And it took several hours to recharge compared to the minute or so it takes to fill my gas tank. And what if you are away from home and the batteries are low? You can't just pop into a recharge station like you can a gas stations.
@DFX2KX
5 жыл бұрын
some Electric scooter makers got around the problem by having charge stations where you could either charge, or just pull the battery pack out of your seat and swap it. Which if we're talking something used for getting around town, aught to work pretty well.
@zggtf211
5 жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, Tesla has been making attempts to subsidize electricity generation with solar power.
@dannyflydays7166
5 жыл бұрын
Really good episode. I'm actually really excited to see what will become of electric vehicles in the next few especially bikes.
@khmaiaznboi89
5 жыл бұрын
Electric bicycles have been around since the 1890s. That's old technology.
@STho205
5 жыл бұрын
khmaiaznboi89. Electric cars/carriages were developed on the 1830s with rechargeable battery carriages in the 1840s. First motorized truck/tractor (car) powered by steam for roads was the 1780s or 90s. So motorcars and bikes went: Steam first, then a half century later electric, then a half century later internal combustion/otto cycles. Vehicles went the same way in the market: Steam was the best seller in the 1890s Then Electric around 1900 Then internal combustion by 1915-20 Steam was useless to the common man. You needed a stable of men and chauffeurs to make them work amd clean them up when finished. Electric was barely available outside large cities in 1900, and those cars kept getting more and more expensive as they developed, yet they were useless outside the big city. ICE with an electric starter and modern clutch transmission solved both those problems, and a Model T was just a few hundred dollars.
@esk8jaimes
5 жыл бұрын
True... but electric bicycles didn't really become reliable until the 1990's, they've only become affordable (£500) in recent years.
@handyhippie6548
5 жыл бұрын
once they get a handle on the price, and range/charge time, electrics will not be the future, but the now. i built an ebike for a winter project, and i really like it. mine uses a combination of on board 36v batteries, and two 18v tool batteries. i can carry four charged batteries, and double my range. they swap out in seconds, and i have a 30 minute charger for them at home. i've been thinking i could mount one on board so that i could recharge on the go wherever there's an outlet. i think my next version will have regen braking feeding an ultra capacitor bank for quick charge, and discharge capabilities. it will be like a nitrous boost that refills at every stop sign. just twist the throttle, push the boost button, and hang on!
@stimpyueediot
5 жыл бұрын
I think instead of having gears if you could have a mode switch that would be cool. if your off road you dont want the power that you would want on an on ramp to the freeway.
@sassed12many
5 жыл бұрын
My CB500X goes 300 miles on 3.8 of the 4.6 gallon supply, takes 5 minutes to refuel, and oil changes are every 4,000 miles. I hear of people riding 30,000+ without a valve adjustment. So what is the point of electric? I think it is in some future state that they may make sense.
@glovetmol
5 жыл бұрын
Depending on where you live / which powerCo you subscribe to, you can opt into clean energy source programs / hook into your home solar grid etc.
@james.shafiei
5 жыл бұрын
You reckon it's impossible to change your engine braking strength on a internal combustion engine bike? I guess you guys haven't ridden a modern superbike recently... you can change it literally with the press of a button.
@EricTaillefer-Qc
5 жыл бұрын
I love these exchange, I'm sorry to not listen to the, in podcasts, it's too much fun seing you. Keep up the good work!
@shaybladescutlery9151
5 жыл бұрын
I think a gearbox would be a good thing on an electric bike, it would make your distance go way up. The biggest Achilles heel of electric motors is that the faster you spin them the less distance they can cover, if you could gain speed while running your motor at a low rpm, your distance coverage would be much greater and the fact that its an electric motor, there would not be a torque curve like with a gas engine with the changing of the ratios.
@gasdive
5 жыл бұрын
No. That's not how electric motor work.
@one-of-us9939
5 жыл бұрын
I own both. I see every point. I love both. I will ride both because they are different for now, plus... My Zero and my Aprilia RSV4 RF LE#14 are collection bikes. Begin edit: Hey Lenny, on my Zero and my 40 acres I came upon a group of deer and moved across the clearing slowly as they did... TOO FREAKIN BITCHEN!!!🤯👍🏍💞🦌 And btw, I own a Tesla and I understand where electricity comes from but I also understand your electric cars argument is not with 'Tesla owners' but with the polluting answers for making waste while making electricity. Per mile, the electric cars or scooters or motorcycles or skateboards is cleaner than any comparable ICE vehicles... but that is getting better everyday for all fuel using examples. Goodness, like it's said... "May you live in interesting times."
@alexwilsonpottery3733
5 жыл бұрын
Coming from a bicycle, to a motorbike, to a car, to a car with CVT; you don't need gears on an electric motorbike. It'll take two weeks of riding to forget you ever used a gearbox.
@proftobes
4 жыл бұрын
Electric motors have been around for over 100 years as well. There were a lot of electric vehicles on the streets of NYC in the 1910s
@danogle9927
5 жыл бұрын
EM's will have their place mainly for city commuters.But I doubt that they will ever replace traditional MC's If they didn't cost so much I would buy one just for running around the neighborhood, and to the grocery store.I do have a question, will the battery develope a memory ? Another question, how long will the battery last 2,4,6 years or more ?
@animallover9378
5 жыл бұрын
After 160,000 goes down to 80% charge
@DaveBarnes1
4 жыл бұрын
This should be thought of as a journey. We are at the very early days of the journey at the moment, the cars are getting better, the batteries are improving and the infrastructure is getting better. Soon, the prices will drop and almost all manufacturers will have electric models that are better than a petrol bike. I'm on my second electric car now. It's improved immensely since my previous car, more power, more range, better battery, faster charging. They are already better cars than combustion engined vehicles, they cost a bit more at the moment, but this has been coming down in price annually. The charging infrastructure is not good enough yet. It too however is getting better. I have a bike too, a combustion bike. The question for me is why don't I have an electric bike when I'm already converted to the new technology with the car? I think it's a combination of choice, price and charging infrastructure. There are very few bikes to choose from. Zero look good, but not many dealers in the UK and one Harley too. The price is definitely a factor. They are eye wateringly expensive. The range for fast riding is typically 100 miles. On my BMW that's about half a tank of fuel. I know you can do more miles, but not the way I want to ride my bike. Technically it's difficult on the bike. They are small and there's little room for enough batteries plus their cooling and charging circuits To get the range you want, there is a need to add weight and cost. Not attractive. The points about electricity generation has been covered in many other places. Granted the USA is behind much of the rest of the world in generating clean electricity, but that will change to. Even so, it's still cleaner to burn in a controlled central environment than in millions of vehicles.
@ryeann2567
5 жыл бұрын
When people ask me if I'm religious, I tell them that I belong to the Church of Lemmy.
@orkishfury2321
4 жыл бұрын
I just realized that Honda could sell more generators if they made electric dirtbikes. Oh, and before I forget. If you want these things to really sell, put sound emulators of classic bikes on there.
@faber8251
5 жыл бұрын
My money says this revolution starts with bikes that are moped substitutes, not true motorcycle substitutes. Cheap, efficient in-town commuters not expected to make trips over 40 or 50 miles or hit speeds over 50 MPH. Once that market becomes solid and stable enough, companies will start looking at going further and faster. You don't get an Acura NSX without selling millions of Honda Civics first.
@jza61nick
5 жыл бұрын
It seems like we are already reaching the limits of grip available from motorcycle sized tires, this is why im not hopeful for an electric bike that can really perform like the really fast stuff out now.
@VanGoWanderlust
5 жыл бұрын
I think electric motorcycles will be great for most riders that only ride a few days a year. Not having to worry about gas going bad in the tank, annual maintenance for the few rides, and being able to buy used (low mileage) bikes. Better depends on your needs.
@OrlandoRick
5 жыл бұрын
John Radi I commute 30 miles daily electric. Ride my gas bikes on weekends.
@wheeltrouble
5 жыл бұрын
If I could run the TAT on an electric bike, as well as go highway coast to coast, then I would be on board. Electric bikes are awesome, and easy to work on. The problem is that it's just not feasible as a replacement for my dino bike.
@junelawson5719
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not really all that excited for electric motorcycles. They're great for urban use, but I value being able to ride long distances. Given the issues with energy density and charge time, I don't think electric motorcycles are going to be suitable for that use case for at least a century. What I would love, though, is a plug-in hybrid motorcycle. It's a bit more complex, but it has a lot of advantages. For one, you can use grid power for short distances, which massively improves on cost and environmental impact, but you still have the combustion engine to recharge for long distances. Additionally, the hybrid approach is actually a really efficient way to use chemical fuels. Electric engines are much better for delivering power; They're not only more performant and have better response, but they're also highly and equally efficient at any level of power output. Additionally, using combustion engines for generation means you can always run them at optimal RPMs, increasing their fuel efficiency massively. Combine these and you have a system that's more powerful and more efficient than directly using the combustion engine; It's been the standard for marine propulsion for half a century, with excellent results. I haven't seen a whole lot of news for them yet, but combined with biofuels, I think they're the perfect solution for sustainable long-range personal transport, and I can't wait to see some come onto market.
@edwardgonzalez9093
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how easy it is, but thinking of an electric bike, besides the range to charge time ratio; I want it to be easy to customize, where if I'm adding something electronic I won't have to be an electrician to not kill the bike or myself.
@FroggyCrimes
5 жыл бұрын
Here's something you need to think of when considering range. As you go down in the charge of an electric vehicle. It slowly becomes less capable of performing. It's not like a gas powered machine where when you're out of gas you just stop. Electric vehicles slowly lose their power as you approach 0.
@cameronboswell7888
5 жыл бұрын
I feel it could disconnect the user to the motorcycle. You can only have so much torque/horsepower on a dirt bike. It comes down to how comfortable you can ride it fast. What about sound? If you're going fast on a trail and no one hears you coming, that is an issue. Manufactures are going to have to basically match the same feel but with electric motors which may or may not make any sense at all. I feel like in order to bridge the gap between selling electric bikes to kids and adults buying electric motorcycles is an extremely high tech dirt bike that has been matched to todays 450s. I don't know - the whole deal sounds gimmicky and I don't understand the selling point on an electric bike.
@DigitalTheologian
5 жыл бұрын
Range and recharge are the big hurdles for sure...Why not hybrid adventure bikes? There are places in the world it will be half a century before you have consistent charging options. They MIGHT have a gas station. Those are the places adventure riders dream of going...even if we mostly commute to the local coffee shop.
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